Re: [Cooker] Postfix Vs. qmail?

2002-04-20 Thread Vincent Danen

On Tue Apr 16, 2002 at 11:59:03PM -0400, Levi Ramsey wrote:

  Not trying to start a flame war I would really like to find a good mta
  and that doesn't include sendmail. 
  
  First I would like to know if this vulnerability still exists or if it
  has been fixed in mandrake?
  
  http://cr.yp.to/maildisasters/postfix.html
 
 I'm not entirely sure that DJB is a reliable source when it comes to
 Postfix versus qmail... ;-)

Likewise with Wietse...  The two rather enjoy poking each other's
buttons I think.  =)  If you look on the postfix site, I think there
are some anti-qmail sentiments as well (including a so-called security
issue in qmail that has nothing at all to do with qmail, and was only
raised because postfix's author didn't bother to do any homework).

-- 
MandrakeSoft Security; http://www.mandrakesecure.net/
lynx -source http://www.freezer-burn.org/bios/vdanen.gpg | gpg --import
1024D/FE6F2AFD   88D8 0D23 8D4B 3407 5BD7  66F9 2043 D0E5 FE6F 2AFD

Current Linux kernel 2.4.18-6mdk uptime: 4 days 12 hours 49 minutes.



msg62976/pgp0.pgp
Description: PGP signature


Re: [Cooker] Postfix Vs. qmail?

2002-04-20 Thread Vincent Danen

On Wed Apr 17, 2002 at 01:43:09PM -0400, Levi Ramsey wrote:

[...]
  Heh, I that all you can do? Well it wasn't worth the 400k download.
  Why do anti dbj people always depend on hate and lies when they try to
  make a point. This is so totally uncool.
 
 DJB, from what I've seen, seems to slander postfix (and bind) on a
 regular basis.

Well said.  But at least he has a good reason for bashing bind...  =)
postfix, while not my favourite, isn't hated by me... I just don't
like it that much.  'nuff said.  But the postfix/qmail thing swings
both ways...  postfix people tend to be very anti-qmail, and vice
versa.  You almost never hear people in either camps bash sendmail or
exim.  Strange, no?  They take after the authors I guess.

 The qmail vs. postfix debate seems to, ultimately, boil down to an
 endless Am not!  Are too! flame war.  It's a holy war at the level
 of emacs vs. vi, KDE vs. GNOME, GPL vs. BSD License, etc.
 
 AFAIC, the bottom line is: if you like qmail, use qmail; if you like
 postfix, use postfix.  Simple as that.

Amen to that!

-- 
MandrakeSoft Security; http://www.mandrakesecure.net/
lynx -source http://www.freezer-burn.org/bios/vdanen.gpg | gpg --import
1024D/FE6F2AFD   88D8 0D23 8D4B 3407 5BD7  66F9 2043 D0E5 FE6F 2AFD

Current Linux kernel 2.4.18-6mdk uptime: 4 days 12 hours 53 minutes.



msg62977/pgp0.pgp
Description: PGP signature


Re: [Cooker] Postfix Vs. qmail?

2002-04-20 Thread Vincent Danen

On Wed Apr 17, 2002 at 03:09:09PM +0200, Guillaume Cottenceau wrote:

   http://cr.yp.to/maildisasters/postfix.html
  
  I'm not entirely sure that DJB is a reliable source when it comes to
  Postfix versus qmail... ;-)
 
 A good read on DJB stuff:
 
 http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/faq/#djb

An amusing tirade... I've read it before and found it quite funny.
But I'll make some semi-intelligent comments on it anyways.

Everything in /var/qmail is ignorant, I agree.  I really dislike
it.. now djb things everything should be in /packages... he has very
odd directory layouts, and I don't understand his reasoning for them.

The .qmail- thing...  big deal.  It's like postfix's .forward file
support.  fastforward provides the same thing as /etc/aliases or
whatever it is in postfix/sendmail (aliases or aliases.conf, can't
recall).  So it's called .qmail instead of .forward... it's an ego
thing maybe, but not *that* big of a deal.

djb's license sucks.  Plain and simple.  His attitude does as well.  I
know this firsthand, having spoken with him on one occassion
(exchanged 3 emails, received 2).  But, having said that, the guy is
an extremely good programmer... I'll give him credit for that.

Finally, the point on using bind9 instead of djbdns is, well, silly.
I'd like to see bind9 in production for a year or two with a few heavy
audits and some good white hats smashing it to pieces for a bit before
I'm ready to switch from something safe and reliable like djbdns to
something with a crappy history like bind9 (and I don't for a second
believe it was written entirely from scratch either).

Besides, Vixie is just as ignorant as djb...  aren't most of these
same software authors, tho?  Can't tell me that Wietse doesn't have an
attitude problem at times...  I can say that the author of Exim is a
pretty darn nice guy tho... =)

Anyways, that's my $0.02CAD, and my last post on the thread here.
Feel free to discuss qmail with me on the [EMAIL PROTECTED]
list where it's more or less on-topic... =)

-- 
MandrakeSoft Security; http://www.mandrakesecure.net/
lynx -source http://www.freezer-burn.org/bios/vdanen.gpg | gpg --import
1024D/FE6F2AFD   88D8 0D23 8D4B 3407 5BD7  66F9 2043 D0E5 FE6F 2AFD

Current Linux kernel 2.4.18-6mdk uptime: 4 days 13 hours 5 minutes.



msg62978/pgp0.pgp
Description: PGP signature


Re: [Cooker] Postfix Vs. qmail?

2002-04-18 Thread Guillaume Cottenceau

Han [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/faq/#djb
   
   Heh, I that all you can do? Well it wasn't worth the 400k download.
   Why do anti dbj people always depend on hate and lies when they try
   to make a point. This is so totally uncool.
  
  DJB, from what I've seen, seems to slander postfix (and bind) on a
  regular basis.
 
 Well he has it on his page and he doesn't remove it. Even if he is right
 he shouldn't do that. But that is his problem not mine. Everywhere I
 _mention_ the name of djb or qmail I get tons of people that give their
 unmotified opinion about the man and about anything else.

That's pure fud. You haven't contradicted the facts stated in the
link I've mentioned, thus until you do so, _I_ consider your
asserts hate/lies/unmotified opinion.


-- 
Guillaume Cottenceau - http://people.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/




Re: [Cooker] Postfix Vs. qmail?

2002-04-18 Thread Han

Guillaume Cottenceau ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 Han [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/faq/#djb

Heh, I that all you can do? Well it wasn't worth the 400k
download.  Why do anti dbj people always depend on hate and lies
when they try to make a point. This is so totally uncool.
   
   DJB, from what I've seen, seems to slander postfix (and bind) on a
   regular basis.
  
  Well he has it on his page and he doesn't remove it. Even if he is
  right he shouldn't do that. But that is his problem not mine.
  Everywhere I _mention_ the name of djb or qmail I get tons of people
  that give their unmotified opinion about the man and about anything
  else.
 
 That's pure fud. You haven't contradicted the facts stated in the link
 I've mentioned, thus until you do so, _I_ consider your asserts
 hate/lies/unmotified opinion.

Even though I _may_ know some things I have chosen not to mention
anything bad about mailservers I don't use. Simply because people should
have a free choice and postfix , qmail,  sendmail and exim simply work
and have been used by lots of people. They can't be that bad.

If you ask me why I use qmail, I will say the securitty is really good,
not a single exploit in 4 years, easy to configure and really fast and
really small ( 200K for all sources ).

If somebody ask me why I don't use another one I say I don't know them
so well.

So why can't you respect my choice. Why do you have to post this link.
Why don't you stick to the facts? What do you think it solves? Who do
you think you expose.

You are filled with hatred. Why?



Groetjes, Han.
-- 
http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanb/software




Re: [Cooker] Postfix Vs. qmail?

2002-04-18 Thread Guillaume Cottenceau

Han [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  That's pure fud. You haven't contradicted the facts stated in the link
  I've mentioned, thus until you do so, _I_ consider your asserts
  hate/lies/unmotified opinion.
 
 Even though I _may_ know some things I have chosen not to mention
 anything bad about mailservers I don't use. Simply because people should
 have a free choice and postfix , qmail,  sendmail and exim simply work
 and have been used by lots of people. They can't be that bad.

On the opposite, technical ML's are here so that people can
express technically motivated opinions to teach things to others
and have a discussion on technical merits.
 
 If you ask me why I use qmail, I will say the securitty is really good,
 not a single exploit in 4 years, easy to configure and really fast and
 really small ( 200K for all sources ).

Sounds good technical points.

 If somebody ask me why I don't use another one I say I don't know them
 so well.

Right.
 
 So why can't you respect my choice. Why do you have to post this link.

I respect your choice, there is nothing to discuss on this
subject. I've:

1- posted a link on DJB, seemingly full of argumented facts

2- been answered by blah this is hate/lies without a single
   argument

 Why don't you stick to the facts? What do you think it solves? Who do
 you think you expose.
 
 You are filled with hatred. Why?

I don't feel so. You were the first to say that what the link I
posted was hate/lies, not me! I simply answered that according to
me, _your_ unmotivated points were considered, at least by me, as
hate/lies until further arguments be presented (which your
message partly do).

-- 
Guillaume Cottenceau - http://people.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/




Re: [Cooker] Postfix Vs. qmail?

2002-04-18 Thread Ben Reser

On Thu, Apr 18, 2002 at 06:27:33PM +0200, Han wrote:
 So why can't you respect my choice. Why do you have to post this link.
 Why don't you stick to the facts? What do you think it solves? Who do
 you think you expose.
 
 You are filled with hatred. Why?

How do you figure posting a link with reasoned out arguments (some of
which even include proof of their validity) is about hatred?

Every single time anyone has ever said something negative about qmail,
true or not.  You have termed the person as being filled with hatred
(not necessarily in so many words but certainly in actions).

Have you considered the possiblity that some people just disagree with
you?  That it has nothing to do with hating or loving qmail or djb.  That
it's a mere opinion and not some personal afront to you and your
*CHOICE*?

-- 
Ben Reser [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://ben.reser.org

What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans, and the homeless,
whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism
or the holy name of liberty and democracy? - Ghandi




Re: [Cooker] Postfix Vs. qmail?

2002-04-17 Thread Yves Duret

Brook Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


[...]

  http://cr.yp.to/maildisasters/postfix.html
 
  I'm not entirely sure that DJB is a reliable source when it comes to
  Postfix versus qmail... ;-)
 Right thought of that myself.
 
 Well I got my test box setup now with postfix (my server is still
 running qmail for now), courier-imap ( for it's ssl log in), maildrop,
 and spamassassin/vipul's razor. Will probably add more in a few days.

I made new postfix (1.1.7) rpms available for testing at
http://people.mandrakesoft.com/~yduret
the cooker postfix rpm dates from ages. and before uploading i prefer better
test. thus if you can test it, i would be very happy.

 Would anyone be interested in the spamassassin and razor rpm's? If so
 I'll submit them at least they may end up in contribs or something.


/contrib/RPMS/spamassassin-2.11-4mdk.i586.rpm
but if you have a newer one or a better package, just contrib us as in the
past :)

 If all goes well with the test box I may submit a few other goodies
 also. Thanks for the feedback.

thanks for the test.
-- 
Yves Duret
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
piouk toujours et meme apres !





Re: [Cooker] Postfix Vs. qmail?

2002-04-17 Thread Ben Reser

On Wed, Apr 17, 2002 at 05:10:38PM +0200, Han wrote:
 Heh, I that all you can do? Well it wasn't worth the 400k download.
 Why do anti dbj people always depend on hate and lies when they try to
 make a point. This is so totally uncool.

If you didn't read the page how do you know it is hate and lies?
And it's not like DJB doesn't go around with a big attitude trying to
piss other people off.

-- 
Ben Reser [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://ben.reser.org

What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans, and the homeless,
whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism
or the holy name of liberty and democracy? - Ghandi




Re: [Cooker] Postfix Vs. qmail?

2002-04-17 Thread Levi Ramsey

On Wed Apr 17 17:10 +0200, Han wrote:
 Guillaume Cottenceau ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  Levi Ramsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
http://cr.yp.to/maildisasters/postfix.html
   
   I'm not entirely sure that DJB is a reliable source when it comes to
   Postfix versus qmail... ;-)
  
  A good read on DJB stuff:
  
  http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/faq/#djb
 
 Heh, I that all you can do? Well it wasn't worth the 400k download.
 Why do anti dbj people always depend on hate and lies when they try to
 make a point. This is so totally uncool.

DJB, from what I've seen, seems to slander postfix (and bind) on a
regular basis.

The qmail vs. postfix debate seems to, ultimately, boil down to an
endless Am not!  Are too! flame war.  It's a holy war at the level
of emacs vs. vi, KDE vs. GNOME, GPL vs. BSD License, etc.

AFAIC, the bottom line is: if you like qmail, use qmail; if you like
postfix, use postfix.  Simple as that.

-- 
Levi Ramsey
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

When it comes down to desperation,
You make the best of your situation.
Linux 2.4.18-6mdk
  1:01pm  up  2:15,  4 users,  load average: 0.09, 0.02, 0.01




Re: [Cooker] Postfix Vs. qmail?

2002-04-17 Thread Oden Eriksson

On Wednesdayen den 17 April 2002 19.38, Ben Reser wrote:
 On Wed, Apr 17, 2002 at 05:10:38PM +0200, Han wrote:
  Heh, I that all you can do? Well it wasn't worth the 400k download.
  Why do anti dbj people always depend on hate and lies when they try to
  make a point. This is so totally uncool.

 If you didn't read the page how do you know it is hate and lies?
 And it's not like DJB doesn't go around with a big attitude trying to
 piss other people off.

I didn't want to step on this train, but...

This is odd..., either one _loves_ the DJB stuff or _hate_ it and/or him..., 
isn't there a grey zone where constructive things happens where one just use 
the damn thing and never bother again??? Who gives a shit if qmail isn't so 
called FHS compliant, just use it and shut up, or do something else...

I use qmail and have done so since 1997 and never had any problems with it or 
him... I don't care about him at all, I use his software and it's excellent, 
that's enough for me.

-- 
Regards // Oden Eriksson




Re: [Cooker] Postfix Vs. qmail?

2002-04-17 Thread Brook Humphrey

Hello Levi,



Wednesday, April 17, 2002, 10:43:09 AM, you wrote:


 On Wed Apr 17 17:10 +0200, Han wrote:
 Guillaume Cottenceau ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  Levi Ramsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
http://cr.yp.to/maildisasters/postfix.html
   
   I'm not entirely sure that DJB is a reliable source when it comes to
   Postfix versus qmail... ;-)
  
  A good read on DJB stuff:
  
  http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/faq/#djb
 
 Heh, I that all you can do? Well it wasn't worth the 400k download.
 Why do anti dbj people always depend on hate and lies when they try to
 make a point. This is so totally uncool.

 DJB, from what I've seen, seems to slander postfix (and bind) on a
 regular basis.

 The qmail vs. postfix debate seems to, ultimately, boil down to an
 endless Am not!  Are too! flame war.  It's a holy war at the level
 of emacs vs. vi, KDE vs. GNOME, GPL vs. BSD License, etc.

 AFAIC, the bottom line is: if you like qmail, use qmail; if you like
 postfix, use postfix.  Simple as that.

Sorry about this thread. Personally I don't care whichever one will
support what I want to do in a secure way. Up till recently this has
been qmail but that is why I'm always looking at others. Qmail is not
a bad product but it's license is and it is now getting kind of long
in the tooth for supporting current standards unless you want to break
the license. So I must evaluate products that meet current needs.



-- 
Best regards,
 Brookmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]





Re: [Cooker] Postfix Vs. qmail?

2002-04-17 Thread Ben Reser

On Wed, Apr 17, 2002 at 08:06:12PM +0200, Oden Eriksson wrote:
 On Wednesdayen den 17 April 2002 19.38, Ben Reser wrote:
  If you didn't read the page how do you know it is hate and lies?
  And it's not like DJB doesn't go around with a big attitude trying to
  piss other people off.
 
 This is odd..., either one _loves_ the DJB stuff or _hate_ it and/or him..., 
 isn't there a grey zone where constructive things happens where one just use 
 the damn thing and never bother again??? Who gives a shit if qmail isn't so 
 called FHS compliant, just use it and shut up, or do something else...

a) I didn't say I hated it.
b) I didn't say it wasn't FHS compliant.
c) I'm merly pointing out the hate swings both ways.

-- 
Ben Reser [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://ben.reser.org

What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans, and the homeless,
whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism
or the holy name of liberty and democracy? - Ghandi




Re: [Cooker] Postfix Vs. qmail?

2002-04-17 Thread Han

Levi Ramsey ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 On Wed Apr 17 17:10 +0200, Han wrote:
  Guillaume Cottenceau ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
   
   A good read on DJB stuff:
   
   http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/faq/#djb
  
  Heh, I that all you can do? Well it wasn't worth the 400k download.
  Why do anti dbj people always depend on hate and lies when they try
  to make a point. This is so totally uncool.
 
 DJB, from what I've seen, seems to slander postfix (and bind) on a
 regular basis.

Well he has it on his page and he doesn't remove it. Even if he is right
he shouldn't do that. But that is his problem not mine. Everywhere I
_mention_ the name of djb or qmail I get tons of people that give their
unmotified opinion about the man and about anything else.

 The qmail vs. postfix debate seems to, ultimately, boil down to an
 endless Am not!  Are too! flame war.  It's a holy war at the level
 of emacs vs. vi, KDE vs. GNOME, GPL vs. BSD License, etc.

I have learned my lesson and I refuse on saying anything bad about
postfix or sendmail. I respect other peoples opinions about their
favourite mta.

 AFAIC, the bottom line is: if you like qmail, use qmail; if you like
 postfix, use postfix.  Simple as that.

Hear, hear.


Groetjes, Han.
-- 
http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanb/software




Re: [Cooker] Postfix Vs. qmail?

2002-04-17 Thread Han

Ben Reser ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 On Wed, Apr 17, 2002 at 05:10:38PM +0200, Han wrote:
  Heh, I that all you can do? Well it wasn't worth the 400k download.
  Why do anti dbj people always depend on hate and lies when they try
  to make a point. This is so totally uncool.
 
 If you didn't read the page how do you know it is hate and lies?  And
 it's not like DJB doesn't go around with a big attitude trying to piss
 other people off.

You can't even read three lines.



Groetjes, Han.
-- 
http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanb/software




Re: [Cooker] Postfix Vs. qmail?

2002-04-17 Thread Oden Eriksson

On Wednesdayen den 17 April 2002 20.29, Ben Reser wrote:
 On Wed, Apr 17, 2002 at 08:06:12PM +0200, Oden Eriksson wrote:
  On Wednesdayen den 17 April 2002 19.38, Ben Reser wrote:
   If you didn't read the page how do you know it is hate and lies?
   And it's not like DJB doesn't go around with a big attitude trying to
   piss other people off.
 
  This is odd..., either one _loves_ the DJB stuff or _hate_ it and/or
  him..., isn't there a grey zone where constructive things happens where
  one just use the damn thing and never bother again??? Who gives a shit if
  qmail isn't so called FHS compliant, just use it and shut up, or do
  something else...

 a) I didn't say I hated it.
 b) I didn't say it wasn't FHS compliant.
 c) I'm merly pointing out the hate swings both ways.

I merely replied to the vast majority here, not yours. Sorry if it came out 
that way, I've followed this thread a while without interrupting until now...

I strongly suspect most Mandrake employees has had a -qmail -DJB filter 
about this for a while now ;)

-- 
Regards // Oden Eriksson




Re: [Cooker] Postfix Vs. qmail?

2002-04-17 Thread Han

Ben Reser ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 On Wed, Apr 17, 2002 at 09:05:44PM +0200, Han wrote:
  You can't even read three lines.
 
 Face it Han you just don't like people who have differing opinons than
 you.  You got pissed off at me in the past because I don't believe that
 just because there hasn't been a security issue found that in qmail that
 there won't be.  So if you feel the need to start insulting me go right
 ahead.  And if you feel the need to start doing it on cooker go right
 ahead I'm sure everyone will be happy to listen to your insults.

I never insulted you.


Groetjes, Han.
-- 
http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanb/software




Re: [Cooker] Postfix Vs. qmail?

2002-04-16 Thread civileme

Brook Humphrey wrote:

Not trying to start a flame war I would really like to find a good mta
and that doesn't include sendmail. 

First I would like to know if this vulnerability still exists or if it
has been fixed in mandrake?

http://cr.yp.to/maildisasters/postfix.html




http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/security/mdk-updates.php3?dis=8.1

You will see there that postfix has been fixed on 2-28-2002 and on 
11-29-2001.  We keep up with real exploits, and our security team issues 
fixes.

Normally a question like that would not get an answer on this list.  May 
I suggest aubacribiung to a help list like [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Civileme







Re: [Cooker] Postfix Vs. qmail?

2002-04-16 Thread Brook Humphrey

On Tue, 2002-04-16 at 19:24, civileme wrote:
 Brook Humphrey wrote:
 
 Not trying to start a flame war I would really like to find a good mta
 and that doesn't include sendmail. 
 
 First I would like to know if this vulnerability still exists or if it
 has been fixed in mandrake?
 
 http://cr.yp.to/maildisasters/postfix.html
 
 
 
 
 http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/security/mdk-updates.php3?dis=8.1
 
 You will see there that postfix has been fixed on 2-28-2002 and on 
 11-29-2001.  We keep up with real exploits, and our security team issues 
 fixes.
 
 Normally a question like that would not get an answer on this list.  May 
 I suggest aubacribiung to a help list like [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Civileme
 

Actually Civileme I've been around here longer than you and I remember
when you you used to post to the list before mandrake got ahold of you.
You have allot of good to say but I don't think you understand my
motives in asking this.

I run qmail most of the time for quite a few reasons but I recently
discovered that postfix will do much the same kinds of things as qmail.
I was not surfing the web looking for that web page I was rather looking
for info on how to run postfix with maildrop when I ran across this
link. One of the main reasons that I run qmail for is security. My
thinking on this is that if postfix will do the job without some of the
other problems with the qmail djb-ware thing I will use use postfix
instead. This is only viable if Postfix can offer everything that qmail
currently gives me. 

I was simply curious and the best place to ask is those that maintain
the packages. Not on the expert list I'm not asking how to set anything
up just if this as taken care of. I'm so out of touch with anything
postfix that I would not even know it you guys considered this a problem
or not. 

Thanks for the reply.



 
 
 
 






Re: [Cooker] Postfix Vs. qmail?

2002-04-16 Thread R.I.P. Deaddog

On Tue, 16 Apr 2002, civileme wrote:

 Not trying to start a flame war I would really like to find a good mta
 and that doesn't include sendmail. 
 
 First I would like to know if this vulnerability still exists or if it
 has been fixed in mandrake?
 
 http://cr.yp.to/maildisasters/postfix.html
 
 You will see there that postfix has been fixed on 2-28-2002 and on 
 11-29-2001.  We keep up with real exploits, and our security team issues 
 fixes.
 
 Normally a question like that would not get an answer on this list.  May 
 I suggest aubacribiung to a help list like [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

For even more appropriate list, you can subscribe to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED]

-- 
Abel Cheung
GPG Key: (0xC67186FF) http://deaddog.org/gpg.asc





Re: [Cooker] Postfix Vs. qmail?

2002-04-16 Thread Brook Humphrey

On Tue, 2002-04-16 at 19:51, R.I.P. Deaddog wrote:
 On Tue, 16 Apr 2002, civileme wrote:
 
  Not trying to start a flame war I would really like to find a good mta
  and that doesn't include sendmail. 
  
  First I would like to know if this vulnerability still exists or if it
  has been fixed in mandrake?
  
  http://cr.yp.to/maildisasters/postfix.html
  
  You will see there that postfix has been fixed on 2-28-2002 and on 
  11-29-2001.  We keep up with real exploits, and our security team issues 
  fixes.
  
  Normally a question like that would not get an answer on this list.  May 
  I suggest aubacribiung to a help list like [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 For even more appropriate list, you can subscribe to
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
I'm on both of these already and have been for some time I already know
about qmail. I was curious about postfix.


 -- 
 Abel Cheung
 GPG Key: (0xC67186FF) http://deaddog.org/gpg.asc
 
 
 






Re: [Cooker] Postfix Vs. qmail?

2002-04-16 Thread Brook Humphrey

On Tue, 2002-04-16 at 19:51, R.I.P. Deaddog wrote:
 On Tue, 16 Apr 2002, civileme wrote:
 
  Not trying to start a flame war I would really like to find a good mta
  and that doesn't include sendmail. 
  
  First I would like to know if this vulnerability still exists or if it
  has been fixed in mandrake?
  
  http://cr.yp.to/maildisasters/postfix.html
  
  You will see there that postfix has been fixed on 2-28-2002 and on 
  11-29-2001.  We keep up with real exploits, and our security team issues 
  fixes.
  
  Normally a question like that would not get an answer on this list.  May 
  I suggest aubacribiung to a help list like [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 For even more appropriate list, you can subscribe to
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
One other thing I've been around and using mandrake since 5.3 and been
on this list since before 6.0 I've been doing cooker since before 6.0.
Sorry If I was not looking more like a guru when posting that message
and I don't really consider myself one but I've been around awhile at
least. I just don't post here all the time as I run a business also. I
contribute to mandrake and have contributed rpm's in the past. Most of
the time they make it into the distro some time latter. 

I don't know maybe I'll just shut up now. 

 -- 
 Abel Cheung
 GPG Key: (0xC67186FF) http://deaddog.org/gpg.asc
 
 
 






Re: [Cooker] Postfix Vs. qmail?

2002-04-16 Thread Levi Ramsey

On Tue Apr 16 19:02 -0700, Brook Humphrey wrote:
 Not trying to start a flame war I would really like to find a good mta
 and that doesn't include sendmail. 
 
 First I would like to know if this vulnerability still exists or if it
 has been fixed in mandrake?
 
 http://cr.yp.to/maildisasters/postfix.html

I'm not entirely sure that DJB is a reliable source when it comes to
Postfix versus qmail... ;-)

-- 
Levi Ramsey
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

When it comes down to desperation,
You make the best of your situation.
Linux 2.4.18-6mdk
 11:01pm  up 6 days, 16:33, 14 users,  load average: 5.11, 5.18, 5.16




Re: [Cooker] Postfix Vs. qmail?

2002-04-16 Thread Brook Humphrey

Hello Levi,



Tuesday, April 16, 2002, 8:59:03 PM, you wrote:


 On Tue Apr 16 19:02 -0700, Brook Humphrey wrote:
 Not trying to start a flame war I would really like to find a good mta
 and that doesn't include sendmail. 
 
 First I would like to know if this vulnerability still exists or if it
 has been fixed in mandrake?
 
 http://cr.yp.to/maildisasters/postfix.html

 I'm not entirely sure that DJB is a reliable source when it comes to
 Postfix versus qmail... ;-)
Right thought of that myself.

Well I got my test box setup now with postfix (my server is still
running qmail for now), courier-imap ( for it's ssl log in), maildrop,
and spamassassin/vipul's razor. Will probably add more in a few days.

Would anyone be interested in the spamassassin and razor rpm's? If so
I'll submit them at least they may end up in contribs or something.

If all goes well with the test box I may submit a few other goodies
also. Thanks for the feedback.



-- 
Best regards,
 Brookmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]