RE: [Cooker] Re: illegal binaries?
I was wondering why none on the mainstream distro's do this? they all want to be the fastest out there, so why not release a distro where on the kernel, rpm, and compiler and all depenencies for them are as binaries, and everything else is a src.rpm, which with some changes, MandrakeUpdate (or the install app) could then compile to source and install that... I know that the differences between i586 and i686 is fairly small performance wise right now, but every little bit helps right? and for Athlons, which are gaining pretty fast in popularity, the differences would be more pronounced wouldn't they? and the difference in performance would be increased as compilers got better at optimised code... so why isn't anyone significant doing it? is it technically unfeasable?? would it make an install take 5 hours? anyone know why its not a popular approach? rgds frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Brian J. Murrell Sent: Thursday, 17 January 2002 8:27 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Cooker] Re: illegal binaries? On Thu, Jan 17, 2002 at 12:48:59AM +0100, Alexander Skwar wrote: Hmm, interesting idea... Maybe I'll try to do something in this direction ;) It's been done. I had heard that there is/was a Linux distro (was it Yellowdog?) that would install a build kit and then compile the entire distro for your hardware as part of the OS install. This, IMHO would be a perfectly viable way for Linux distros to distribute things like Mplayer. Anything that can benefit even somewhat significantly from being built for the native processor could use this mechanism. b. -- Brian J. Murrell
RE: [Cooker] Re: illegal binaries?
le jeu 17-01-2002 à 10:59, Franki a écrit : I was wondering why none on the mainstream distro's do this? they all want to be the fastest out there, so why not release a distro where on the kernel, rpm, and compiler and all depenencies for them are as binaries, and everything else is a src.rpm, which with some changes, MandrakeUpdate (or the install app) could then compile to source and install that... I know that the differences between i586 and i686 is fairly small performance wise right now, but every little bit helps right? and for Athlons, which are gaining pretty fast in popularity, the differences would be more pronounced wouldn't they? and the difference in performance would be increased as compilers got better at optimised code... so why isn't anyone significant doing it? is it technically unfeasable?? would it make an install take 5 hours? You mean.. To compile XFree only, right? anyone know why its not a popular approach? Maybe because it's really slow? It will probably take a night to compile KDE on most systems.. I don't know if everyone would support installing a whole distro (how much packages?) in not less than a week. Anyway, there is Gentoo.. Just my 0.02¤ :) -- Sylvain OBEGI Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 661913
Re: [Cooker] Re: illegal binaries?
On Thursday 17 January 2002 05:21, Sylvain OBEGI wrote: le jeu 17-01-2002 à 10:59, Franki a écrit : I was wondering why none on the mainstream distro's do this? [...] so why isn't anyone significant doing it? is it technically unfeasable?? would it make an install take 5 hours? You mean.. To compile XFree only, right? anyone know why its not a popular approach? Maybe because it's really slow? It will probably take a night to compile KDE on most systems.. I don't know if everyone would support installing a whole distro (how much packages?) in not less than a week. Anyway, there is Gentoo.. Just my 0.02¤ :) So what is to keep a person from doing this with Mandrake? I am not a master of RPM, but I wonder, how difficult is it to tell RPM to turn on architecture dependant optimizations, and build your packages from the SRPMS? That way, you could do it incrementally, and only with packages that could really benefit from the optimizations (XFree, KDE, Kernel, Xine, etc...) -- *Chuck*
RE: [Cooker] Re: illegal binaries?
Op do 17-01-2002, om 11:21 schreef Sylvain OBEGI: le jeu 17-01-2002 à 10:59, Franki a écrit : I was wondering why none on the mainstream distro's do this? they all want to be the fastest out there, so why not release a distro where on the kernel, rpm, and compiler and all depenencies for them are as binaries, and everything else is a src.rpm, which with some changes, MandrakeUpdate (or the install app) could then compile to source and install that... I know that the differences between i586 and i686 is fairly small performance wise right now, but every little bit helps right? and for Athlons, which are gaining pretty fast in popularity, the differences would be more pronounced wouldn't they? and the difference in performance would be increased as compilers got better at optimised code... so why isn't anyone significant doing it? is it technically unfeasable?? would it make an install take 5 hours? You mean.. To compile XFree only, right? X doesn't take 5 hours. especially if you only build your driver. But still to build a normal install would take significant longer that 5 hours anyone know why its not a popular approach? Maybe because it's really slow? It will probably take a night to compile KDE on most systems.. I don't know if everyone would support installing a whole distro (how much packages?) in not less than a week. Anyway, there is Gentoo.. Just my 0.02¤ :) -- Sylvain OBEGI Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 661913
Re: [Cooker] Re: illegal binaries?
le jeu 17-01-2002 à 01:27, Brian J. Murrell a écrit : On Thu, Jan 17, 2002 at 12:48:59AM +0100, Alexander Skwar wrote: Hmm, interesting idea... Maybe I'll try to do something in this direction ;) It's been done. I had heard that there is/was a Linux distro (was it Yellowdog?) that would install a build kit and then compile the entire distro for your hardware as part of the OS install. This, IMHO would be a perfectly viable way for Linux distros to distribute things like Mplayer. Anything that can benefit even somewhat significantly from being built for the native processor could use this mechanism. Gentoo Linux works like this. You compile the whole distribution with your compiler options. (www.gentoo.org). Slow, but optimized -- Sylvain OBEGI Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 661913
