Re: [Cooker] Suggestion for improved user experience
On Wednesday 03 September 2003 00:14, Adam Williamson wrote: I ran urpmi.setup the other day and I didn't see the opportunity to setup a plf source anywhere... it is a secret trick. you should run it from the command line, and use --allsources. -- Mickaël Scherer
Re: [Cooker] Suggestion for improved user experience
On Wed, 2003-09-03 at 07:23, Michael Scherer wrote: On Wednesday 03 September 2003 00:14, Adam Williamson wrote: I ran urpmi.setup the other day and I didn't see the opportunity to setup a plf source anywhere... it is a secret trick. you should run it from the command line, and use --allsources. In which case, the argument that it shouldn't have a drakconf link because it provides plf sources holds no water, since you simply make sure drakconf doesn't invoke it with the --allsources option. Which is the debate I was replying to. Please remain in context... -- adamw
Re: [Cooker] Suggestion for improved user experience
On Wed, 3 Sep 2003, Michael Scherer wrote: On Wednesday 03 September 2003 00:14, Adam Williamson wrote: I ran urpmi.setup the other day and I didn't see the opportunity to setup a plf source anywhere... it is a secret trick. you should run it from the command line, and use --allsources. damn...now you blew it. We secretly lobbied for months to get our secret illegal software on all mdk installs. And urpmi.setup is in main now, and we only needed to have a link in a menu or control center. And now you betrayed us! Yours, Secret Penguin Liberation Front Tux
Re: [Cooker] Suggestion for improved user experience
On Mon 01 Sep 2003 13:27, [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted as excerpted below: On Mon, 1 Sep 2003, Buchan Milne wrote: See mutray (for KDE at least) and mdk-check-update-gnome (works in KDE and GNOME, and probably the rox desktop too), both in contrib. It would be a shame not to just enable these by default or at least enable it if some visible checkbox is clicked. Both those applets are pretty new, AFAIK, introduced into contrib this beta cycle. Yes, there's a place for them. Yes, main and installed for the convenience of newbies by default would be good. No, I don't believe they should be in 9.2 by default. They aren't yet stable/mature/proven enough yet for that, IMO. Leave it in contrib this cycle, consider it for main next cycle, install it by default the third cycle, I think is a decent policy, tho installed by default in second cycle might be fine for these, if maturity and stability warrants it. AFAIK, it's the same deal with urpmi.setup. It may be a bit older, but it was just moved from contrib this cycle. As a setup for urpmi, which is a cli tool, I wouldn't expect it to be core integrated into Mandrake's centralized GUI config system yet. Perhaps a separate menu entry under config, and moving it to main is certainly appropriate for this release, but integration into Mandrake's core config can and should appropriately wait until the next cycle, IMO. One step at a time.. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin
Re: [Cooker] Suggestion for improved user experience
Le lun 01/09/2003 à 20:27, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Buchan worded it all much better than my own reply. So i leave it with only this: On Mon, 1 Sep 2003, Buchan Milne wrote: See mutray (for KDE at least) and mdk-check-update-gnome (works in KDE and GNOME, and probably the rox desktop too), both in contrib. It would be a shame not to just enable these by default or at least enable it if some visible checkbox is clicked. this should be enable only for one user ( the security admin user ), and this choice should be made during installation. Why ? I don't want normal users see all theses security advisories, and the same for my boss ... bad publicity. For example you can specify who will receive security warnings ( mutray/mdk-check-update/gdesklet-mdksecurity/karamba-mdksecurity ) during user creation ( a checkbox ), or in a separate wizard ( but need to recall the username ) and of course in userdrake ( in case you are in an NIS/LDAP network and so you don't have userlist during install )
Re: [Cooker] Suggestion for improved user experience
On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Duncan wrote: Both those applets are pretty new, AFAIK, introduced into contrib this beta cycle. Yes, there's a place for them. Yes, main and installed for the convenience of newbies by default would be good. No, I don't believe they should be in 9.2 by default. They aren't yet stable/mature/proven enough yet for that, IMO. Leave it in contrib this cycle, consider it for main next cycle, install it by default the third cycle, I think is a decent policy, tho installed by default in second cycle might be fine for these, if maturity and stability warrants it. I can see no significant effect to system stability of a tray applet. I do see a significant effect on system stability of latest kernel changes. Same is true for urpmi.setup. If what you say is true we should also block OO.org 1.1. Freeze is very good, but do not let it lead you to idiotic descisions. There is s a big difference between a tray applet and a core library/kernel component. d.
Re: [Cooker] Suggestion for improved user experience
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now that I am complaining, why does urpmi.setup not have it's own button in drakconf (ok, it's a bit bugged, is that the reason?). It is such a waste to have all the nice functionality of urpmi lost to most non-CLI users. plf other not so legal in all countries repositeries i guess.
Re: [Cooker] Suggestion for improved user experience
On Tue, 2003-09-02 at 22:13, Thierry Vignaud wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now that I am complaining, why does urpmi.setup not have it's own button in drakconf (ok, it's a bit bugged, is that the reason?). It is such a waste to have all the nice functionality of urpmi lost to most non-CLI users. plf other not so legal in all countries repositeries i guess. I ran urpmi.setup the other day and I didn't see the opportunity to setup a plf source anywhere... -- adamw
Re: [Cooker] Suggestion for improved user experience
On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Thierry Vignaud wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now that I am complaining, why does urpmi.setup not have it's own button in drakconf (ok, it's a bit bugged, is that the reason?). It is such a waste to have all the nice functionality of urpmi lost to most non-CLI users. plf other not so legal in all countries repositeries i guess. eh...what has urpmi.setup to do with plf et al? It is already in main, and can be used to setup remote sources for main and contrib. d.
Re: [Cooker] Suggestion for improved user experience
On Sun Aug 31, 2003 at 08:02:18PM +0200, Buchan Milne wrote:
How's this?
http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/advisories/rss.php
?
Does that do what you want?
I finally got to using it with superkaramba:
http://ranger.dnsalias.com/mandrake/screenshots/superkaramba-mandrakesecure-rdf.png
Just need to work on the graphics a bit, either use a light background,
unless there's a version available for use on dark backgounds?
Wow... that looks pretty neat. Does this superkaramba thing work in gnome
too?
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Re: [Cooker] Suggestion for improved user experience
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Vincent Danen wrote: On Sun Aug 31, 2003 at 08:02:18PM +0200, Buchan Milne wrote: How's this? http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/advisories/rss.php Does that do what you want? I finally got to using it with superkaramba: http://ranger.dnsalias.com/mandrake/screenshots/superkaramba-mandrakesecure-rdf.png Just need to work on the graphics a bit, either use a light background, unless there's a version available for use on dark backgounds? Wow... that looks pretty neat. Does this superkaramba thing work in gnome too? AFAIK, no, that's what gdesklets is for, but I haven't played with it much (besides just running the clock). Maybe it is also capable? But there is also straw, which may be able to do this: $ urpmq straw -i Name: straw Version : 0.19.1 Release : 1mdk Group : Networking/Other Size: 589648 Architecture: noarch Summary : RSS feed agregator for Gnome Never run it though ... Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/UxfErJK6UGDSBKcRAlRNAKCptpm0J3tYcxlABscl2zhRXxTqTwCgu7g9 bHp+VZ8SRVDEEdnQdGz/g1M= =A6S5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- * Please click on http://www.cae.co.za/disclaimer.htm to read our e-mail disclaimer or send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a copy. *
Re: [Cooker] Suggestion for improved user experience
Vincent Danen wrote: On Sun Aug 31, 2003 at 08:02:18PM +0200, Buchan Milne wrote: I finally got to using it with superkaramba: http://ranger.dnsalias.com/mandrake/screenshots/superkaramba-mandrakesecure-rdf.png Just need to work on the graphics a bit, either use a light background, unless there's a version available for use on dark backgounds? Wow... that looks pretty neat. Does this superkaramba thing work in gnome too? That is cool. I think the equivalent of SK for gnome is gDesklets, a recent addition to contrib packaged by Götz Waschk. I haven't played around with it yet, but it looks like a fun new toy. - John
Re: [Cooker] Suggestion for improved user experience
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 31 Aug 2003, Vincent Danen wrote: Wow... that looks pretty neat. Does this superkaramba thing work in gnome too? ah..the price for running GNOME :-P On a more serious note, are you (=mdksoft) or are you not going to set up something like this by default? If the user has to search for packages to get security warnings than only security aware users will use it (and they probably checked mdksecure anyway). The messages need to appear on the screen of the newbie, unexperienced users, by default. Well, Danny, if we get a superkaramba that compiles on current cooker, I will make a package that includes a mandrakesecure.net theme by default (instead of opening up a dialog where you choose your theme). Maybe a similar thing can be done for gdesklets. Maybe in the future these will be in main, and installed in a default installation? Now that I am complaining, why does urpmi.setup not have it's own button in drakconf (ok, it's a bit bugged, is that the reason?). It is such a waste to have all the nice functionality of urpmi lost to most non-CLI users. I agree, or at least it needs an entry in the menus. Maybe you need to file a bug on urpmi.setup (sorry Olivier ..). Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/Ux4HrJK6UGDSBKcRAsDqAJ9WM8q0A6yOvVzj1kxFcWj2HA3aRACfUeAc lG/em2dMDKWF+8nXwv0rnkk= =fsG0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- * Please click on http://www.cae.co.za/disclaimer.htm to read our e-mail disclaimer or send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a copy. *
Re: [Cooker] Suggestion for improved user experience
I think the equivalent of SK for gnome is gDesklets, a recent addition to contrib packaged by Götz Waschk. I haven't played around with it yet, but it looks like a fun new toy. I've packaged lot of sensors and displays for gDesklets, but no one can read RSS feeds. For now, you can use gdesklets-externalsensor to display the output of another program that read RSS feeds. -- Olivier Blin
Re: [Cooker] Suggestion for improved user experience
I think the equivalent of SK for gnome is gDesklets, a recent addition to contrib packaged by Götz Waschk. I haven't played around with it yet, but it looks like a fun new toy. This may be useful if someone want to start a such RSS applet for gDesklets : http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/webservices/library/ws-pyth11.html -- Olivier Blin
Re: [Cooker] Suggestion for improved user experience
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Olivier Blin wrote: I think the equivalent of SK for gnome is gDesklets, a recent addition to contrib packaged by Götz Waschk. I haven't played around with it yet, but it looks like a fun new toy. I've packaged lot of sensors and displays for gDesklets, but no one can read RSS feeds. For now, you can use gdesklets-externalsensor to display the output of another program that read RSS feeds. Many superkaramba themes just use rdf.pl (in the karamba/superkaramba packages) to do just that, in fact, that is what I am using. Unfortunately it does not have proxy support (which is why I can't test it on my normal cooker box). Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/UzYwrJK6UGDSBKcRAi0MAKCA9u/uA/YTJcoLNRiJBLuEPwmf5ACgyRuA 1P7JVXY6UgTRoWqk4/DGAaA= =DNzN -END PGP SIGNATURE- * Please click on http://www.cae.co.za/disclaimer.htm to read our e-mail disclaimer or send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a copy. *
Re: [Cooker] Suggestion for improved user experience
On Sun, 31 Aug 2003, Vincent Danen wrote: Wow... that looks pretty neat. Does this superkaramba thing work in gnome too? ah..the price for running GNOME :-P On a more serious note, are you (=mdksoft) or are you not going to set up something like this by default? If the user has to search for packages to get security warnings than only security aware users will use it (and they probably checked mdksecure anyway). The messages need to appear on the screen of the newbie, unexperienced users, by default. Now that I am complaining, why does urpmi.setup not have it's own button in drakconf (ok, it's a bit bugged, is that the reason?). It is such a waste to have all the nice functionality of urpmi lost to most non-CLI users. d.
Re: [Cooker] Suggestion for improved user experience
Le lun 01/09/2003 à 03:39, Vincent Danen a écrit : On Sun Aug 31, 2003 at 08:02:18PM +0200, Buchan Milne wrote: How's this? http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/advisories/rss.php ? Does that do what you want? I finally got to using it with superkaramba: http://ranger.dnsalias.com/mandrake/screenshots/superkaramba-mandrakesecure-rdf.png Just need to work on the graphics a bit, either use a light background, unless there's a version available for use on dark backgounds? Wow... that looks pretty neat. Does this superkaramba thing work in gnome too? I don't think as this is a hack for KDE and for gnome you have gdesklet
Re: [Cooker] Suggestion for improved user experience
On Mon Sep 01, 2003 at 11:58:46AM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Wow... that looks pretty neat. Does this superkaramba thing work in gnome
too?
ah..the price for running GNOME :-P
On a more serious note, are you (=mdksoft) or are you not going to set up
something like this by default? If the user has to search for packages to
get security warnings than only security aware users will use it (and they
probably checked mdksecure anyway). The messages need to appear on the
screen of the newbie, unexperienced users, by default.
Well, let's put it this way. We're working on 9.2 now, and I've been doing
the security since 6.1 (IIRC) and it's never been an issue before. The
mailing list exists exactly for this kind of thing. There are a lot of
sources to determine new updates:
1) launching rpmdrake and scanning for new updates
2) visiting mandrakesecure
3) visiting mandrakeclub
4) external sources such as linuxsecurity.org (I believe)
5) mailing lists: announce, bugtraq, full-disclosure, and two others
6) new RSS feed
I don't think it's urgent that we put something like this in there by
default. Would it be nice? Hell yes! Do I think it's necessary? Not
really.
Personally, I'd like to see a little applet that's like a green light and
polls the mirrors (or rss feed) and turns red if there's something new.
Something to develop/look into for a future version. (We are in a freeze
after all).
Now that I am complaining, why does urpmi.setup not have it's own button
in drakconf (ok, it's a bit bugged, is that the reason?). It is such a
waste to have all the nice functionality of urpmi lost to most non-CLI
users.
This I can't tell you. I don't use drakconf... call me an old-school
diehard (or insane). =)
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Re: [Cooker] Suggestion for improved user experience
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Vincent Danen wrote: On Mon Sep 01, 2003 at 11:58:46AM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow... that looks pretty neat. Does this superkaramba thing work in gnome too? ah..the price for running GNOME :-P On a more serious note, are you (=mdksoft) or are you not going to set up something like this by default? If the user has to search for packages to get security warnings than only security aware users will use it (and they probably checked mdksecure anyway). The messages need to appear on the screen of the newbie, unexperienced users, by default. Well, let's put it this way. We're working on 9.2 now, and I've been doing the security since 6.1 (IIRC) and it's never been an issue before. Mandrake 6.1 wasn't competing with Windows98SE for the average user's desktop (realistically speaking). Mandrake 9.2 will be competing with WindowsXP for the average user's desktop (ie, will have a reasonable chance). So, including something like this by default on 6.1 would not have made much difference, but it does now (ie Mandrake has improved substantially since 6.1 that newbie-ish features are necessary). The mailing list exists exactly for this kind of thing. There are a lot of sources to determine new updates: 1) launching rpmdrake and scanning for new updates 2) visiting mandrakesecure 3) visiting mandrakeclub 4) external sources such as linuxsecurity.org (I believe) 5) mailing lists: announce, bugtraq, full-disclosure, and two others 6) new RSS feed The average user won't see these unless we make them see them by default. You need to cater for the people who can't get WindowsUpdate to work (they're a big market, with recent motivations to change ...). You basically need to ensure that a user can't miss the update notifications, even if they try ... I don't think it's urgent that we put something like this in there by default. Would it be nice? Hell yes! Do I think it's necessary? Not really. Personally, I'd like to see a little applet that's like a green light and polls the mirrors (or rss feed) and turns red if there's something new. Something to develop/look into for a future version. (We are in a freeze after all). See mutray (for KDE at least) and mdk-check-update-gnome (works in KDE and GNOME, and probably the rox desktop too), both in contrib. Now that I am complaining, why does urpmi.setup not have it's own button in drakconf (ok, it's a bit bugged, is that the reason?). It is such a waste to have all the nice functionality of urpmi lost to most non-CLI users. This I can't tell you. I don't use drakconf... call me an old-school diehard (or insane). =) But, I am sure (after running urpmi.setup) you will see it is valuable to have it in the menus at least? Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/U6n9rJK6UGDSBKcRAopNAJ9chpcotXnW5hgSyC9q7033ba2VsgCeMhHY byh1uSf+mu2JGD+aLuZBe38= =PCRV -END PGP SIGNATURE- * Please click on http://www.cae.co.za/disclaimer.htm to read our e-mail disclaimer or send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a copy. *
Re: [Cooker] Suggestion for improved user experience
Buchan worded it all much better than my own reply. So i leave it with only this: On Mon, 1 Sep 2003, Buchan Milne wrote: See mutray (for KDE at least) and mdk-check-update-gnome (works in KDE and GNOME, and probably the rox desktop too), both in contrib. It would be a shame not to just enable these by default or at least enable it if some visible checkbox is clicked. d.
Re: [Cooker] Suggestion for improved user experience
On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, Vincent Danen wrote: On Tue Aug 26, 2003 at 12:43:33AM +0200, Buchan Milne wrote: - daily updates/security updates if available If mandrakesecure.net had RDF this wouldn't be too difficult. Vince? RDF of what packages are available or recently released? I suppose something like that could be done, although I'd need a sample RDF file to see what it's supposed to look like. Yes, I guess something such as the bit on the advisory mails that follows the advisory number, ie: Updated perl-CGI packages fix cross-site scripting vulnerabilities RDF is XML, such as: http://pclinuxonline.com/backend.php or http://slashdot.org/slashdot.rdf There are some php modules around to do RDF AFAIK, and there was a specification for RDF at some stage, not sure what happened to it ... How's this? http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/advisories/rss.php ? Does that do what you want? I finally got to using it with superkaramba: http://ranger.dnsalias.com/mandrake/screenshots/superkaramba-mandrakesecure-rdf.png Just need to work on the graphics a bit, either use a light background, unless there's a version available for use on dark backgounds? Regards, Buchan -- |Registered Linux User #182071-| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x121 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 * Please click on http://www.cae.co.za/disclaimer.htm to read our e-mail disclaimer or send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a copy. *
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On Tue Aug 26, 2003 at 06:13:02PM -0400, Levi Ramsey wrote:
http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/advisories/rss.php
I can go about submitting it to the likes of K5 and Slashdot for sidebar
headline boxes if desired...
It's up to you. Doesn't really matter to me. I don't know if slashdot
would carry something like that, and I don't know what K5 is, but the more
the merrier I guess.
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Re: [Cooker] Suggestion for improved user experience
On Tue Aug 26, 2003 at 12:43:33AM +0200, Buchan Milne wrote:
- daily updates/security updates if available
If mandrakesecure.net had RDF this wouldn't be too difficult. Vince?
RDF of what packages are available or recently released? I suppose
something like that could be done, although I'd need a sample RDF file to
see what it's supposed to look like.
Yes, I guess something such as the bit on the advisory mails that
follows the advisory number, ie:
Updated perl-CGI packages fix cross-site scripting vulnerabilities
RDF is XML, such as:
http://pclinuxonline.com/backend.php
or
http://slashdot.org/slashdot.rdf
There are some php modules around to do RDF AFAIK, and there was a
specification for RDF at some stage, not sure what happened to it ...
How's this?
http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/advisories/rss.php
?
Does that do what you want?
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Re: [Cooker] Suggestion for improved user experience
Le Lundi 25 Août 2003 14:38, Buchan Milne a écrit : snip BTW, I have packages of karamba-0.22 and superkaramba-0.30, but I need some opinions on what to do with them. karamba-0.22 doesn't run many new themes (since most of them were developed after karamba-0.17 for superkaramba), but they may have some conflicts. AFAIK superkaramba dont compile with python-2.3 :/ The latest version of the ( real ) karamba is 0.17 , i think you speak about karamba-replica ( http://b1project.com/karamba.php3 ) -- Laurent Culioli :: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Cooker] Suggestion for improved user experience
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Laurent Culioli wrote: Le Lundi 25 Août 2003 14:38, Buchan Milne a écrit : snip BTW, I have packages of karamba-0.22 and superkaramba-0.30, but I need some opinions on what to do with them. karamba-0.22 doesn't run many new themes (since most of them were developed after karamba-0.17 for superkaramba), but they may have some conflicts. AFAIK superkaramba dont compile with python-2.3 :/ Hmmm, good point, I built it on 9.2b2 which is still python-2.3 :-(. I will have to try again ... The latest version of the ( real ) karamba is 0.17 , i think you speak about karamba-replica ( http://b1project.com/karamba.php3 ) Yes, but real karamba isn't maintained any more ... so IMHO karamba-replica *is* karamba (look at the binary name, config name, and other hardcoded uses of karamba in the source), and is at 0.22. Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/Sx26rJK6UGDSBKcRAuF1AKC9/GFISwrpck5IGTmuw3ygtb825QCgkQlc /ktwKaZGeCzO1QlW470Fr1U= =H9H2 -END PGP SIGNATURE- * Please click on http://www.cae.co.za/disclaimer.htm to read our e-mail disclaimer or send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a copy. *
Re: [Cooker] Suggestion for improved user experience
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Vincent Danen wrote: On Tue Aug 26, 2003 at 12:43:33AM +0200, Buchan Milne wrote: If mandrakesecure.net had RDF this wouldn't be too difficult. Vince? How's this? http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/advisories/rss.php ? Does that do what you want? I can't test with karamba now (doesn't have support for authenticating proxies AFAIK), I will test from home later, but I tested with Evolution: http://ranger.dnsalias.com/mandrake/screenshots/mandrakesecure-rdf-evolution.png (It would be nice though if articles/documentation were also listed though) Fred, any chance we can get this into the default summary screen in Evolution? Now we just need to see if Club is capable of implementing something like this ... Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/Syr8rJK6UGDSBKcRAuvoAJwOWkmuTlzZ6GHg4ZPu4u0SoB2HggCfTELr R+nPhFsAYkSlvM6wRu0tpIA= =cxhC -END PGP SIGNATURE- * Please click on http://www.cae.co.za/disclaimer.htm to read our e-mail disclaimer or send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a copy. *
Re: [Cooker] Suggestion for improved user experience
On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 11:40:12 +0200, Buchan Milne wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Vincent Danen wrote: On Tue Aug 26, 2003 at 12:43:33AM +0200, Buchan Milne wrote: If mandrakesecure.net had RDF this wouldn't be too difficult. Vince? How's this? http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/advisories/rss.php ? Does that do what you want? I can't test with karamba now (doesn't have support for authenticating proxies AFAIK), I will test from home later, but I tested with Evolution: http://ranger.dnsalias.com/mandrake/screenshots/mandrakesecure-rdf-evolution.png (It would be nice though if articles/documentation were also listed though) Fred, any chance we can get this into the default summary screen in Evolution? Shouldn't be too difficult.. Please fill a bug so I don't forget.. -- Frederic Crozat MandrakeSoft
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On Tue Aug 26, 2003 at 11:40:12AM +0200, Buchan Milne wrote:
If mandrakesecure.net had RDF this wouldn't be too difficult. Vince?
How's this?
http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/advisories/rss.php
?
Does that do what you want?
I can't test with karamba now (doesn't have support for authenticating
proxies AFAIK), I will test from home later, but I tested with Evolution:
http://ranger.dnsalias.com/mandrake/screenshots/mandrakesecure-rdf-evolution.png
(It would be nice though if articles/documentation were also listed though)
That's a little more difficult. The articles/docs aren't database driven
and would likely not show up very often because they don't get written or
updated very often.
Fred, any chance we can get this into the default summary screen in
Evolution?
This would be very cool.
Now we just need to see if Club is capable of implementing something
like this ...
It's Nuke-based, so it should be able to do something like this I would
think.
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Re: [Cooker] Suggestion for improved user experience
On Wed Aug 27 0:24 +0200, Buchan Milne wrote: Levi Ramsey wrote: On Mon Aug 25 17:44 -0600, Vincent Danen wrote: http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/advisories/rss.php I can go about submitting it to the likes of K5 and Slashdot for sidebar headline boxes if desired... I was hoping someone would ... Done (at least for Kuro5hin and Slashdot)... if you know of any other sites that Mandrake users might frequent, submit the RDFs. -- Levi Ramsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Take due notice and govern yourselves accordingly. Currently playing: Apocalyptica - Plays Metallica by Four Cellos - Mas Linux 2.4.21-3mdk 18:52:00 up 22 days, 4:10, 10 users, load average: 0.50, 0.87, 1.08
Re: [Cooker] Suggestion for improved user experience
Le dim 24/08/2003 à 01:30, Leon Brooks a écrit : On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 18:06, Emmanuel wrote: What do you mandrakees think about including SuperKaramba and running it by default with simple things like weather etc... I think an office with 200 or so Mandrake machines doing this wouldn't have an Internet link any more, and an individual without a permanent Internet link would find it annoying. However, the option of running some other app (besides the clock) on KDM's screen would be very attract. I'd be wanting to be sure that whatever app it was didn't run as a user with any serious privs. some suggestions : - hourly fortune messages - hourly tips/help messages - daily mdk ads - daily updates/security updates if available
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 FACORAT Fabrice a écrit : | some suggestions : | - hourly fortune messages | - hourly tips/help messages | - daily mdk ads | - daily updates/security updates if available troll you forgot theses : - - hourly random memory allocation (never freed) - - hourly core dump - - dayly mdk call home to push private data (could be integrated in security updates and daly ads as well) - - dayly kernel oups (hard reset is boring) WindowsXP has all of this already and Longhorn will bring you much much more. /troll - -- ~ Léa Gris - http://www.noiraude.net/ () Campagne du ruban texte brut contre les courriels en HTML, /\ contre les pièces jointes dans un format propriétaire. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/SfXmiNTO/wgn58kRArxOAKDiSVOv1UDM9PU/SOFNdNjSWRDKXwCdGQ8J 1z6ww814I6GKmM+bZQ8WwHA= =RI96 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
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Ainsi parlait Lea Gris : FACORAT Fabrice a écrit : | some suggestions : | - hourly fortune messages | - hourly tips/help messages | - daily mdk ads | - daily updates/security updates if available troll you forgot theses : - hourly random memory allocation (never freed) - hourly core dump - dayly mdk call home to push private data (could be integrated in security updates and daly ads as well) - dayly kernel oups (hard reset is boring) WindowsXP has all of this already and Longhorn will bring you much much more. /troll and minutely cooker excerpts ? -- Guillaume Rousse Keep your boss's boss off your boss's back -- Murphy's Laws on Work n°11
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On Mon, 2003-08-25 at 12:41, Lea Gris wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 FACORAT Fabrice a écrit : | some suggestions : | - hourly fortune messages | - hourly tips/help messages | - daily mdk ads | - daily updates/security updates if available troll you forgot theses : - - hourly random memory allocation (never freed) - - hourly core dump - - dayly mdk call home to push private data (could be integrated in security updates and daly ads as well) - - dayly kernel oups (hard reset is boring) WindowsXP has all of this already and Longhorn will bring you much much more. /troll I was going to post a similar response, but realised he was talking about *KDM*, not the user desktop. I don't think such features would be a bad idea for the DM - there's a bunch of wasted space there, can't see any harm in putting neat little featurettes in it. Maybe not adverts, though. Adverts are bad. -- adamw
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 FACORAT Fabrice wrote: Le dim 24/08/2003 à 01:30, Leon Brooks a écrit : On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 18:06, Emmanuel wrote: What do you mandrakees think about including SuperKaramba and running it by default with simple things like weather etc... BTW, I have packages of karamba-0.22 and superkaramba-0.30, but I need some opinions on what to do with them. karamba-0.22 doesn't run many new themes (since most of them were developed after karamba-0.17 for superkaramba), but they may have some conflicts. Also, I will try and make a themes package including most useful themes with ratings 75%. I think an office with 200 or so Mandrake machines doing this wouldn't have an Internet link any more, and an individual without a permanent Internet link would find it annoying. However, the option of running some other app (besides the clock) on KDM's screen would be very attract. I'd be wanting to be sure that whatever app it was didn't run as a user with any serious privs. Of course, was my first thought. If we are going to try this, I think the first thing we need is some karamba themes that implement the pieces we want, while someone investigates running karamba in kdm ... but the themes would be useful even without this. some suggestions : - hourly fortune messages - hourly tips/help messages - daily mdk ads - daily updates/security updates if available If mandrakesecure.net had RDF this wouldn't be too difficult. Vince? Also, IMHO MandrakeClub gets too little exposure, maybe new articles and entries in RPM Voting would be interesting. But for my own purposes (we're firewalled so bad nothing can get out without proxy authorisation, so web-based stuff is useless), I would prefer things like: - -how many users are logged on - -uptime stats (so you can see CPU/mem utilisation without logging in) - -maybe /etc/motd? So, I think those who are interested should proceed by: - -making good Mandrake-themed (ie the new bootsplash themes) karamba themes - -investigate running karamba in kdm Also, it would be interesting to investigate the equivalent (of Mandrake themes for karamba) for gdesklets. Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/SgNSrJK6UGDSBKcRArwbAKDBC94CabJCJTBNQSXepBhAvgLISQCeOU9L 2Te5lwBO5cK4DyB5TagP7Ig= =+BDv -END PGP SIGNATURE- * Please click on http://www.cae.co.za/disclaimer.htm to read our e-mail disclaimer or send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a copy. *
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Vincent Danen wrote: On Mon Aug 25, 2003 at 02:38:43PM +0200, Buchan Milne wrote: Of course, was my first thought. If we are going to try this, I think the first thing we need is some karamba themes that implement the pieces we want, while someone investigates running karamba in kdm ... but the themes would be useful even without this. some suggestions : - hourly fortune messages - hourly tips/help messages - daily mdk ads - daily updates/security updates if available If mandrakesecure.net had RDF this wouldn't be too difficult. Vince? RDF of what packages are available or recently released? I suppose something like that could be done, although I'd need a sample RDF file to see what it's supposed to look like. Yes, I guess something such as the bit on the advisory mails that follows the advisory number, ie: Updated perl-CGI packages fix cross-site scripting vulnerabilities RDF is XML, such as: http://pclinuxonline.com/backend.php or http://slashdot.org/slashdot.rdf There are some php modules around to do RDF AFAIK, and there was a specification for RDF at some stage, not sure what happened to it ... Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/SpEVrJK6UGDSBKcRAorSAKCH6fdPVePc8jqPjAADH8M5nE4kDwCgyqFF v9GvvORTwsyei5ZBrxKo4wg= =rNR0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- * Please click on http://www.cae.co.za/disclaimer.htm to read our e-mail disclaimer or send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a copy. *
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On Mon Aug 25, 2003 at 02:38:43PM +0200, Buchan Milne wrote:
Of course, was my first thought. If we are going to try this, I think
the first thing we need is some karamba themes that implement the pieces
we want, while someone investigates running karamba in kdm ... but the
themes would be useful even without this.
some suggestions :
- hourly fortune messages
- hourly tips/help messages
- daily mdk ads
- daily updates/security updates if available
If mandrakesecure.net had RDF this wouldn't be too difficult. Vince?
RDF of what packages are available or recently released? I suppose
something like that could be done, although I'd need a sample RDF file to
see what it's supposed to look like.
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Re: [Cooker] Suggestion for improved user experience
On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 18:06, Emmanuel wrote: What do you mandrakees think about including SuperKaramba and running it by default with simple things like weather etc... I think an office with 200 or so Mandrake machines doing this wouldn't have an Internet link any more, and an individual without a permanent Internet link would find it annoying. However, the option of running some other app (besides the clock) on KDM's screen would be very attract. I'd be wanting to be sure that whatever app it was didn't run as a user with any serious privs. Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] Suggestion for improved user experience
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Emmanuel wrote: Hi all, What do you mandrakees think about including SuperKaramba and running it by default with simple things like weather etc... Superkaramba is the only thing that has crashed X on my machine in recent times, this occurs with some NVidia drivers, I don't think running something like this by default is a good idea if there's any danger of it crashing. Also, Superkaramba is quite slow on all but the fastest machines. But, it is worthwhile ensuring an up-to-date Superkaramba (and/or karamba) package is in the distro. Even possibly integrating it with KDM??? How professional would a login screen look with say the SuperKaramba weather running in the background? I could think of some better things right now, especially since our machines can't get to the internet without authentication. I would prefer better remote X support (ie Login to remote X server). Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/RhQjrJK6UGDSBKcRAphpAKCpvLq8x/qzSy1MNd6klbvEiEwu0ACfWN6B Jo61f0F15WqayzKbJO6OjgQ= =kbO/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- * Please click on http://www.cae.co.za/disclaimer.htm to read our e-mail disclaimer or send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a copy. *
