Hadoop future?
Hi, I think you have already heard rumours about Microsoft could buy Yahoo. Does anybody have any idea how this could impact specifically Hadoop future? I know this is all about speculations now... Regards, Lukas
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Lukas Vlcek wrote: I think you have already heard rumours about Microsoft could buy Yahoo. Does anybody have any idea how this could impact specifically Hadoop future? First, Hadoop is an Apache project. Y! contributes to it, along with others. Apache projects are designed to be able to survive the departure of any single contributor. Second, while I know no more than you do about the acquisition, my guess is that, it if goes through, it will not significantly increase the odds that Y! will cease contributing to Hadoop anytime soon. That's always possible, and Hadoop would survive it, but I don't think it is likely. Y! has deeply embraced Hadoop, and separating the two would be counterproductive. Y! is more valuable to MSFT with Hadoop than without it. I do not speak for Y!. Doug
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It is essentially impossible for me to conceive of Microsoft pulling Yahoo out of hadoop. Microsoft is blind. Yahoo is somewhat less blind, at least as it relates to the internet. Part of what Microsoft has stated is that they want the engineers from yahoo. How much sense would it make to suggest that you want all the engineers, but you want them to abandon everything they have done and start again on IIS. I dont think so. I believe Hadoop, at least in this regard, is *totally* safe. Hank - whydoeseverythingsuck.com
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A little bit of speculation is ok I guess. It was good to see what Doug said above. I am obviously concerned about my favorite software both as a user and as a developer. I sure hope to continue to have the luxury of being paid full-time by Y! to work on Hadoop, access to massive internal Hadoop clusters, and of course co-Hadoopers around me at work. Speaking only for myself, not for Yahoo! , of course. Raghu. Adrian Woodhead wrote: They are going to rewrite the entire thing in .NET and kill the Java version of course ;) Let's wait and see if the sale goes thru before we even worry about what might/might not happen hmmm? hank williams wrote: It is essentially impossible for me to conceive of Microsoft pulling Yahoo out of hadoop. Microsoft is blind. Yahoo is somewhat less blind, at least as it relates to the internet. Part of what Microsoft has stated is that they want the engineers from yahoo. How much sense would it make to suggest that you want all the engineers, but you want them to abandon everything they have done and start again on IIS. I dont think so. I believe Hadoop, at least in this regard, is *totally* safe. Hank - whydoeseverythingsuck.com
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They are going to rewrite the entire thing in .NET and kill the Java version of course ;) Let's wait and see if the sale goes thru before we even worry about what might/might not happen hmmm? hank williams wrote: It is essentially impossible for me to conceive of Microsoft pulling Yahoo out of hadoop. Microsoft is blind. Yahoo is somewhat less blind, at least as it relates to the internet. Part of what Microsoft has stated is that they want the engineers from yahoo. How much sense would it make to suggest that you want all the engineers, but you want them to abandon everything they have done and start again on IIS. I dont think so. I believe Hadoop, at least in this regard, is *totally* safe. Hank - whydoeseverythingsuck.com
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If MS buy Y!, then the natural thing would be for Google to take over the lead. Miles On 01/02/2008, Raghu Angadi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A little bit of speculation is ok I guess. It was good to see what Doug said above. I am obviously concerned about my favorite software both as a user and as a developer. I sure hope to continue to have the luxury of being paid full-time by Y! to work on Hadoop, access to massive internal Hadoop clusters, and of course co-Hadoopers around me at work. Speaking only for myself, not for Yahoo! , of course. Raghu. Adrian Woodhead wrote: They are going to rewrite the entire thing in .NET and kill the Java version of course ;) Let's wait and see if the sale goes thru before we even worry about what might/might not happen hmmm? hank williams wrote: It is essentially impossible for me to conceive of Microsoft pulling Yahoo out of hadoop. Microsoft is blind. Yahoo is somewhat less blind, at least as it relates to the internet. Part of what Microsoft has stated is that they want the engineers from yahoo. How much sense would it make to suggest that you want all the engineers, but you want them to abandon everything they have done and start again on IIS. I dont think so. I believe Hadoop, at least in this regard, is *totally* safe. Hank - whydoeseverythingsuck.com -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336.
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well - all of us know that Dryad is decidedly better - right? http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C03EFD81530F930A35754C0A9609C8B63 quotes Bill Gates as saying, [Google] did MapReduce; we have this thing called Dryad that's better. at least he didn't claim sql-server was better. -Original Message- From: Doug Cutting [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri 2/1/2008 10:40 AM To: core-user@hadoop.apache.org Subject: Re: Hadoop future? Lukas Vlcek wrote: I think you have already heard rumours about Microsoft could buy Yahoo. Does anybody have any idea how this could impact specifically Hadoop future? First, Hadoop is an Apache project. Y! contributes to it, along with others. Apache projects are designed to be able to survive the departure of any single contributor. Second, while I know no more than you do about the acquisition, my guess is that, it if goes through, it will not significantly increase the odds that Y! will cease contributing to Hadoop anytime soon. That's always possible, and Hadoop would survive it, but I don't think it is likely. Y! has deeply embraced Hadoop, and separating the two would be counterproductive. Y! is more valuable to MSFT with Hadoop than without it. I do not speak for Y!. Doug
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Ah, but you need to understand that Google actually want people using Map Reduce: it helps broaden the base of potential engineers with relevant skills. I'd be extremely surprised if they released their internal version. But, Hadoop is an excellent alternative. You can even see a little of this with Google supporting some US Universities using Hadoop: http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2007/10/google_ibm_give.html Miles On 01/02/2008, Raghu Angadi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Miles Osborne wrote: If MS buy Y!, then the natural thing would be for Google to take over the lead. I would say good-will support can only go so far. I think most valuable support comes from organizations that most depend on Hadoop. Raghu. -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336.
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Lukas, I would like Hadoop and Cygwin to now come standard with each edition of Windows Vista Business. But that's just me. Bye, Peter W. Lukas Vlcek wrote: ... Does anybody have any idea how this could impact specifically Hadoop future? I know this is all about speculations now...
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Is there no possibility of google's distributed computing open source projects appearing? On 2/2/08, Peter W. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lukas, I would like Hadoop and Cygwin to now come standard with each edition of Windows Vista Business. But that's just me. Bye, Peter W. Lukas Vlcek wrote: ... Does anybody have any idea how this could impact specifically Hadoop future? I know this is all about speculations now... -- B. Regards, Edward yoon @ NHN, corp.
