Re: [Coworking] Re: What does coworking has in common with the craft brewing movement?
Love the post Alex. BTW, could you share your experience on cohousing, we just purchase a residential property in cincinnati for SoTechie Spaces. It will be our second property there. The first one is commercial. Cheers. Thanks for your commitment to the community. @Jason_Juliano -- Visit this forum on the web at http://discuss.coworking.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to coworking+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [Coworking] Re: What does coworking has in common with the craft brewing movement?
Hey Jason - I'm overdue for an update on where our cohousing experiment - it's been a very interesting couple of years :) I'll share the update here soon! -Alex -- /ah indyhall.org coworking in philadelphia On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 10:33 AM, Jason Juliano jjuliano...@gmail.comwrote: Love the post Alex. BTW, could you share your experience on cohousing, we just purchase a residential property in cincinnati for SoTechie Spaces. It will be our second property there. The first one is commercial. Cheers. Thanks for your commitment to the community. @Jason_Juliano -- Visit this forum on the web at http://discuss.coworking.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to coworking+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Visit this forum on the web at http://discuss.coworking.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to coworking+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[Coworking] Re: What does coworking has in common with the craft brewing movement?
This story goes emphasis on a grander scale what we've been able to do with Denver Coworks, our local alliance. We openly work together and keep each other posted about our availability, our intentions and goals in community building, and future plans. Over the last year we have a strong understanding of each other, direct people to the help them find what they're looking for, and put on events to bring our communities together. It has make each space stronger and certainly built awareness of the movement. From the public perspective Denver Coworks looks like one organization with a lot of themed spaces focus on building a different communities. This was not intentional but it evolved to appear so because we only included fairly like-minded coworking spaces in a similar way that Dogfish Head collaborates with other like-minded craft brewers. We acknowledge each other, proud of what everyone is doing, and looking for new ways to work together. Most importantly it builds up a level of trust and camraderie between 'competitors.' The Colorado Coworking Passport is the most recent example and that started by a discussion of two alliances in Boulder and Denver trying to figure out how we can work together. To keep with the craft brew analogy it's like buying a twelve pack with twelve different crafts bottles. Keep exploring and you can also come back to your favorite. -- Visit this forum on the web at http://discuss.coworking.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to coworking+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [Coworking] Re: What does coworking has in common with the craft brewing movement?
I'm loving to see this discussion because i recently failed in opening a coworking space in my hometown and decided to start crafting my own beer after that. Thank you for finding some logical connection between those two :) Having experienced both in a short time I can think of some common ingredients to both business: collaboration, diy culture, global thinking / local action, defying business as usual, having a fulfilling work and having fun! Niva Silva linkedin http://www.linkedin.com/in/nivasilva/pt / latteshttp://bitly.com/lattesNivaSilva / facebook http://www.facebook.com/nivasilva 2014-01-30 Craig Baute - Creative Density Coworking baut...@gmail.com This story goes emphasis on a grander scale what we've been able to do with Denver Coworks, our local alliance. We openly work together and keep each other posted about our availability, our intentions and goals in community building, and future plans. Over the last year we have a strong understanding of each other, direct people to the help them find what they're looking for, and put on events to bring our communities together. It has make each space stronger and certainly built awareness of the movement. From the public perspective Denver Coworks looks like one organization with a lot of themed spaces focus on building a different communities. This was not intentional but it evolved to appear so because we only included fairly like-minded coworking spaces in a similar way that Dogfish Head collaborates with other like-minded craft brewers. We acknowledge each other, proud of what everyone is doing, and looking for new ways to work together. Most importantly it builds up a level of trust and camraderie between 'competitors.' The Colorado Coworking Passport is the most recent example and that started by a discussion of two alliances in Boulder and Denver trying to figure out how we can work together. To keep with the craft brew analogy it's like buying a twelve pack with twelve different crafts bottles. Keep exploring and you can also come back to your favorite. -- Visit this forum on the web at http://discuss.coworking.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to coworking+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Visit this forum on the web at http://discuss.coworking.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to coworking+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[Coworking] Re: What does coworking has in common with the craft brewing movement?
I find Benjamin's definition of a poorly run coworking space to be interesting. While I agree that a poorly run space that creates a shitty first impression will likely lead to a drop-off in interest, I disagree with such a narrow definition focusing on physical appearances. I've been to some very dirty and disorganized spaces and loved them because of the people making a mess inside them. I've also been to some disturbingly clean environments where the sterility is haunting because no one is in there to make a mess in the first place. Dallas Fort Work won't win any awards for decor or cleanliness, but that doesn't stop the members from inviting in guests who come cowork for a day. Almost everyone comes back or checks out another coworking space following a recommendation. I think what's more relevant is the human touch points a prospective coworker comes across and whether or not they feel like they resonate with the movement. If they feel like they're joining the future of work today, then it doesn't really matter what the space they're in looks like. This is where the coworking core values come into play. If the human touch point embraces community, collaboration, openness, accessibility, and sustainability, then the prospective coworker should quickly understand that the space they're in is but one version of a much larger thing. Once they get that, your coworking space, the coworking space down the street, the other 20 in your city, are all but drops in the larger bucket of coworking. It's actually really helpful to use your local competition and your attitude toward them as evidence of movement any individual space. If you're able to successfully communicate that larger message to a prospective coworker, they'll realize that there are currently over 2,000 versions of this shared vision. At that point, they would be very foolish to turn away from coworking based off one data point, no matter if the space looks like it was put together for $5 or $5 million. So in short, they're only getting it wrong if they fail to mention the competition. On Friday, January 17, 2014 3:21:55 PM UTC-6, Alex Hillman wrote: The founder of one of my favorite breweries, Dogfish Head, did this awesome video about his philosophy about collaboration and it reminded me a lot of this community: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bws2R7Jq7Uo Enjoy, have a great weekend! -Alex -- /ah indyhall.org coworking in philadelphia -- Visit this forum on the web at http://discuss.coworking.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to coworking+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [Coworking] Re: What does coworking has in common with the craft brewing movement?
So in short, they're only getting it wrong if they fail to mention the competition. So, so, so well said Oren. Thank you. -Alex -- /ah indyhall.org betterwork.co On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 8:42 PM, oren.salo...@gmail.com oren.salo...@gmail.com wrote: I find Benjamin's definition of a poorly run coworking space to be interesting. While I agree that a poorly run space that creates a shitty first impression will likely lead to a drop-off in interest, I disagree with such a narrow definition focusing on physical appearances. I've been to some very dirty and disorganized spaces and loved them because of the people making a mess inside them. I've also been to some disturbingly clean environments where the sterility is haunting because no one is in there to make a mess in the first place. Dallas Fort Work won't win any awards for decor or cleanliness, but that doesn't stop the members from inviting in guests who come cowork for a day. Almost everyone comes back or checks out another coworking space following a recommendation. I think what's more relevant is the human touch points a prospective coworker comes across and whether or not they feel like they resonate with the movement. If they feel like they're joining the future of work today, then it doesn't really matter what the space they're in looks like. This is where the coworking core values come into play. If the human touch point embraces community, collaboration, openness, accessibility, and sustainability, then the prospective coworker should quickly understand that the space they're in is but one version of a much larger thing. Once they get that, your coworking space, the coworking space down the street, the other 20 in your city, are all but drops in the larger bucket of coworking. It's actually really helpful to use your local competition and your attitude toward them as evidence of movement any individual space. If you're able to successfully communicate that larger message to a prospective coworker, they'll realize that there are currently over 2,000 versions of this shared vision. At that point, they would be very foolish to turn away from coworking based off one data point, no matter if the space looks like it was put together for $5 or $5 million. So in short, they're only getting it wrong if they fail to mention the competition. On Friday, January 17, 2014 3:21:55 PM UTC-6, Alex Hillman wrote: The founder of one of my favorite breweries, Dogfish Head, did this awesome video about his philosophy about collaboration and it reminded me a lot of this community: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bws2R7Jq7Uo Enjoy, have a great weekend! -Alex -- /ah indyhall.org coworking in philadelphia -- Visit this forum on the web at http://discuss.coworking.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to coworking+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Visit this forum on the web at http://discuss.coworking.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to coworking+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [Coworking] Re: What does coworking has in common with the craft brewing movement?
I agree with Alex. However, I would add a third item to his list of challenges: 3) Other poorly run co working spaces. The biggest battle we fight is one of awareness. So, a great Coworking space across the street from yours will only help your business - but a poorly run space (disorganized, dirty, without a clear mission) is the biggest danger of all. If a person has a bad experience in a poorly run Coworking space, not only will they be lost to the cause but so will their friends/network as they spread the poison of their bad experience. This is why I do not hesitate to answer questions from any Coworking space operator who asks for my help. They are only competition if they get it wrong. Benjamin -- Visit this forum on the web at http://discuss.coworking.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to coworking+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[Coworking] Re: What does coworking has in common with the craft brewing movement?
I would love to hear from folks on this list as to why they feel new coworking spaces in their vicinity is a good thing, as opposed to a possible threat. Imagine I was an investor in your space. Would you tell me as an investor there are financial benefits to having a competing space open nearby? How so? Does the market increase? I understand how it may create a hub in your area and thus attract more companies in the future, but what if a competitor opens in a different area of your city but is still a viable alternative for your customers? Is it because there's plenty of demand to go around? I LOVE the brotherhood we have, but even brothers have rivalries and though it's good to be friendly, sometimes they can impact your financial health - so just want to hear from folks their perspective. Have any of you been impacted by a competitor negatively or positively? Farhan -- Visit this forum on the web at http://discuss.coworking.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to coworking+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [Coworking] Re: What does coworking has in common with the craft brewing movement?
The top competition for coworking spaces isn't other coworking spaces. The top competition for coworking spaces are: 1) Lack of awareness 2) Complacency In every city on the planet, there are more people who don't know about coworking than there are people who are familiar with it *and* seeking it. A person who needs coworking but doesn't know about coworking is a very hard person to reach. More coworking spaces in an area means a greater chance of discovery of the concept, which means a larger potential market. Good for everybody. The biggest threat isn't a coworking space across the street, it's the person who works from home and doesn't know you exist. There are pretty consistent reports of a region's individual coworking spaces growing as more spaces open in the area. *To that point, Indy Hall's growth has only accelerated as more coworking spaces were added to Philadelphia* (we grow by 10%+ month over month pretty consistently now, with a pretty low churn rate). What we've seen is that more and more potential members do their homework, try out multiple places, and find the community that they enjoy the most. If someone doesn't enjoy Indy Hall, I hope that there's another coworking space that they find that they DO enjoy. Are there cutthroat competitive people out there running spaces? Absolutely. Are they having an impact on spaces that focus more on the REAL competition rather than the self-defined competition? No. Finding real data about coworking space failure is VERY hard, but I've done a lot of private inquiry and have never discovered competition with another coworking space to be the reason for failure or even stunted growth. With all of that said, if you're competing on facilities and amenities, you're participating in a race to the bottom. The challenge that I think many coworking space founders DON'T do is figure out what makes them different beyond the desks. -Alex -- /ah indyhall.org coworking in philadelphia On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 9:35 AM, Farhan Abbasi findfar...@gmail.com wrote: I would love to hear from folks on this list as to why they feel new coworking spaces in their vicinity is a good thing, as opposed to a possible threat. Imagine I was an investor in your space. Would you tell me as an investor there are financial benefits to having a competing space open nearby? How so? Does the market increase? I understand how it may create a hub in your area and thus attract more companies in the future, but what if a competitor opens in a different area of your city but is still a viable alternative for your customers? Is it because there's plenty of demand to go around? I LOVE the brotherhood we have, but even brothers have rivalries and though it's good to be friendly, sometimes they can impact your financial health - so just want to hear from folks their perspective. Have any of you been impacted by a competitor negatively or positively? Farhan -- Visit this forum on the web at http://discuss.coworking.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to coworking+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Visit this forum on the web at http://discuss.coworking.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to coworking+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [Coworking] Re: What does coworking has in common with the craft brewing movement?
More coworking spaces in an area means a greater chance of discovery of the concept, which means a larger potential market. Good for everybody. This, 100%. In the 16 months since we opened our space, I've had a constant struggle keeping my lizard brain in check whenever I hear about new coworking options in town. I think it's natural to view other coworking options as competition, but Alex is absolutely right that they're actually allies. I've made a point to try to meet up with managers of other coworking spaces in town, and more often than not we come away from these meetings recognizing that there are different spaces for different needs, and it makes so much more sense to work together to help independents find the space that's right for them (do they need private offices? Land lines? Conference space?) rather than race to the bottom on price or dump money into amenities that are there purely to attract new members. Another thing to ask yourself is Where are my new members coming from? We've had a grand total of one member gained from conversion from a different coworking space. The other 96% of our members had never been in a coworking environment before. There are so many potential members out there, it really doesn't make any sense to worry about competition with other spaces. Andy Soell The Salt Mines http://saltmines.us -- Visit this forum on the web at http://discuss.coworking.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to coworking+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
