Re: [CREATE] [LGM] If anyone's interested in a libre graphics day at LCA in New Zealand...

[Susan Spencer]

Hi Sam!
I'll be at LCA.
Did you propose a miniconf?
I proposed one too, for open fashion including hands-on demos using the
software and equipment.
Good luck to you!
If yours is accepted, I can help you with setup, teardown, &  general
comraderie.

Best,
Susan
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On Sat, Jul 28, 2018 at 9:05 PM, Sam Muirhead  wrote:

> I'm in New Zealand, and keen to take this on :) Thanks for the prompt!
>
> I wasn't planning to attend LCA due to this year's focus on Internet of
> Things, which has no crossover with my interests, but I didn't even
> consider the idea of an LGM miniconf...
>
> I will submit a proposal in the next day or two. If anybody else is keen
> to be involved, please get in touch!
>
>
> 
> Sam Muirhead
> Open Source / Video
> http://cameralibre.cc
>
>
>
> Jul 29, 2018, 12:05 PM by nwil...@glyphography.com:
>
> ...now's the time.
>
>
> I realize this is short notice, but what can you do.  Linux.conf.au (LCA)
> has its call for papers open for just a couple more days:
> https://linux.conf.au/call-for-papers/
>
> The event itself is January 21 to 25, 2019.
>
> In addition to the regular session submissions, though, people can propose
> one-day 'miniconfs' for addition to the schedule. Approved miniconf
> organizers are then responsible for putting together their own program.
> They are typically single-topic-focused events, and holding one on libre
> graphics would certainly be a great opportunity for the LG community to
> engage with a totally different audience than the one that habitually
> frequents LGM itself.
>
> Several folks on this list have put together similar libre-graphics-day
> tracks at other local, community events in the past, most recently at SCALE
> in Los Angeles, and they're always enthusiastic and interesting. So if
> anybody is in the Australia / New Zaeland region (or likes going there),
> and feels like giving it a shot, this is the chance.
>
> Please note that I'm not volunteering to do that: it really would need
> somebody who's either in the area or is already 100% sure that they'll be
> at LCA. I've been a couple of times in years past and it's a great
> community, but it's quite a trip for a lot of us on certain other
> continents
>
> Anyway, just tossing that out there. I don't think you'd have to have
> anything close to a complete plan in place (like what speakers/sessions
> you'd have); this is just the deadline for proposing a miniconf in general.
>
> Nate
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Re: [CREATE] freieFarbe/freeColour HLC colour system to be accepted as a national standard for "Open Colour Communication" in Germany

[Susan Spencer]

This is huge...
This opens another area of proprietary design which affects the fashion
industry.


On Nov 30, 2017 19:36, Christoph Schäfer  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
>
>
> I have some incredible news for you.
>
>
> Yesterday freieFarbe/freeColour received a message from the German
> industrial standards organisation (DIN) that our proposal for an open
> standard for "Open Colour Communication" based on the HLC colour model (aka
> as Lhc) has been accepted and will become a German national standard soon
> (because we have prepared this carefully during 2016 and 2017).
>
>
> What does this mean? First, it will no longer be an initiative by a tiny
> non-profit organisation, but a national standard, and since DIN is very
> influential internationally, it will become a de-facto standard in other
> countries as well. Plus, it may be possible to make this an ISO standard
> via DIN.
>
>
> In addition, DIN will support the formulation of the standard and our work
> with substantial sums, not the least because the creation of a standard and
> pushing its way through all the respective instances and expert checks is
> expensive (would've been 25,000 EUR in our case, which has been reduced to
> zero, because it's an open and non-commercial project). We will also
> receive some money for meetings, travel expenses etc. from DIN.
>
>
> One of the reasons we got so far is support by parts of the printing
> industry in Germany and Switzerland. The prototype of the printed colour
> reference, which we presented to DIN, was only possible thanks to a
> donation of inks by an international manufacturer of digitial printing
> machines. We're currently cooperating with ink manufacturers in Germany and
> Switzerland to establish ink formulas for HLC colours that cannot be
> reproduced in CMYK, aka as spot colours, so printing companies can actually
> order spot colour inks by just inserting the HLC colour code in their order
> forms.
>
>
> The printed colour reference has the form a ring binder. Colours are
> sorted by their H-values (H=Hue) in steps of ten. Luminacity (L) uses steps
> of five, and chroma (C) also steps of ten. We plan to refine this later to
> also present the H-values in steps of five.
>
>
> This is a real colour system and not just a colour collection like Pantone
> or RAL. Most importantly, it is a free and open alternative to Pantone &
> co, which is not only better, but also supported by a national standards
> organisation and some major players in the industry. There are no licensing
> costs to pay for anyone who wants to use the colour system, not for
> software producers and neither for the ink mixing formulas. The latter is
> important, because vendors like Pantone ask for a lot of money from ink
> producers for the mixing formulas, whilst the open HLC system is gratis.
>
>
> The PDF version of the colour reference and the digital colour palettes
> will be published under a CC licence (CC BY-ND 4.0). The printed colour
> reference will cost some money to cover the production costs, but it will
> be much cheaper than the ones from Pantone & co, because we only need to
> cover our expenses and do not intend/aren't allowed to as a non-profit
> organisation to commercialise it. Moreover, everyone else will be free to
> print their own references, and there are no trademarks involved.
>
>
> Another important aspect is that the HLC colour system, being a national
> standard, will be very hard to attack legally by commercial vendors like
> Pantone or RAL, who are known to play hardball when it comes to
> competition. They would have to take on DIN, which I'm sure they'll think
> about twice.
>
>
> We'll start with Germany and Switzerland, because that's where most of our
> members and supporters are from, but we plan to release an English version
> of the colour reference as soon as the colour system has been formally
> adapted as a standard.
>
>
> Currently, an older version of the HLC palette is already included in
> Scribus 1.5.3+ (L*a*b*) and the latest LibreOffice (sRGB). And speaking of
> Scribus, the juicy bit is that the colour reference will most likely be
> produced with Scribus 1.5.4svn, because it offers the highest colour
> precision for fill colours (64 bit). No other DTP software comes close in
> this regard.
>
>
>
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Re: [CREATE] freieFarbe/freeColour HLC colour system to be accepted as a national standard for "Open Colour Communication" in Germany

[Susan Spencer]

Congratulations Christoph!

Do you have an article we could link to on social media for the Fashion
Freedom Initiative (https://fashionfreedom.eu)?
This will beneficially affect many industries.

Best,
Susan

On Nov 30, 2017 19:36, Christoph Schäfer  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
>
>
> I have some incredible news for you.
>
>
> Yesterday freieFarbe/freeColour received a message from the German
> industrial standards organisation (DIN) that our proposal for an open
> standard for "Open Colour Communication" based on the HLC colour model (aka
> as Lhc) has been accepted and will become a German national standard soon
> (because we have prepared this carefully during 2016 and 2017).
>
>
> What does this mean? First, it will no longer be an initiative by a tiny
> non-profit organisation, but a national standard, and since DIN is very
> influential internationally, it will become a de-facto standard in other
> countries as well. Plus, it may be possible to make this an ISO standard
> via DIN.
>
>
> In addition, DIN will support the formulation of the standard and our work
> with substantial sums, not the least because the creation of a standard and
> pushing its way through all the respective instances and expert checks is
> expensive (would've been 25,000 EUR in our case, which has been reduced to
> zero, because it's an open and non-commercial project). We will also
> receive some money for meetings, travel expenses etc. from DIN.
>
>
> One of the reasons we got so far is support by parts of the printing
> industry in Germany and Switzerland. The prototype of the printed colour
> reference, which we presented to DIN, was only possible thanks to a
> donation of inks by an international manufacturer of digitial printing
> machines. We're currently cooperating with ink manufacturers in Germany and
> Switzerland to establish ink formulas for HLC colours that cannot be
> reproduced in CMYK, aka as spot colours, so printing companies can actually
> order spot colour inks by just inserting the HLC colour code in their order
> forms.
>
>
> The printed colour reference has the form a ring binder. Colours are
> sorted by their H-values (H=Hue) in steps of ten. Luminacity (L) uses steps
> of five, and chroma (C) also steps of ten. We plan to refine this later to
> also present the H-values in steps of five.
>
>
> This is a real colour system and not just a colour collection like Pantone
> or RAL. Most importantly, it is a free and open alternative to Pantone &
> co, which is not only better, but also supported by a national standards
> organisation and some major players in the industry. There are no licensing
> costs to pay for anyone who wants to use the colour system, not for
> software producers and neither for the ink mixing formulas. The latter is
> important, because vendors like Pantone ask for a lot of money from ink
> producers for the mixing formulas, whilst the open HLC system is gratis.
>
>
> The PDF version of the colour reference and the digital colour palettes
> will be published under a CC licence (CC BY-ND 4.0). The printed colour
> reference will cost some money to cover the production costs, but it will
> be much cheaper than the ones from Pantone & co, because we only need to
> cover our expenses and do not intend/aren't allowed to as a non-profit
> organisation to commercialise it. Moreover, everyone else will be free to
> print their own references, and there are no trademarks involved.
>
>
> Another important aspect is that the HLC colour system, being a national
> standard, will be very hard to attack legally by commercial vendors like
> Pantone or RAL, who are known to play hardball when it comes to
> competition. They would have to take on DIN, which I'm sure they'll think
> about twice.
>
>
> We'll start with Germany and Switzerland, because that's where most of our
> members and supporters are from, but we plan to release an English version
> of the colour reference as soon as the colour system has been formally
> adapted as a standard.
>
>
> Currently, an older version of the HLC palette is already included in
> Scribus 1.5.3+ (L*a*b*) and the latest LibreOffice (sRGB). And speaking of
> Scribus, the juicy bit is that the colour reference will most likely be
> produced with Scribus 1.5.4svn, because it offers the highest colour
> precision for fill colours (64 bit). No other DTP software comes close in
> this regard.
>
>
>
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Re: [CREATE] [LGM] Update on LGM 2017

[Susan Spencer]

Hi João,

I'm looking forward to seeing you in Rio.

Valentina <http://valentina-project.org> would like to have a 3-hour
patternmaking workshop prior to LGM.
The Artediez <http://artediez.es/> school in Madrid uses Valentina to teach
patternmaking, and they have created a user manual.
It would be fantastic to have a Portuguese translation of this manual for
LGM.

If you know of anyone who could assist with translation of this manual from
Spanish to Portuguese (or English)
please have them send email to cont...@valentina-project.org


Best,

Susan Spencer
valentina-project.org
@ValentinaPSW <http://www.twitter.com/ValentinaPSW>



On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 8:49 AM, Joao S. O. Bueno  wrote:

> Hello folks -
>
> Sorry for the long time without news -
>
> as it is now - we have the venue next year, to be at PUC-Rio,
> but I could not yet have the dates confirmed  due to their internal
> bureaucracy -
> (they only open up their calendar for scheduling the auditorium on October
> -
> that is why)
>
>
> We re asking for the dates of April 20-24th 2017 - so these will
> probably be the cofnerence dates, but we should have these confirmed
> only around the 3rd week of October. .
>
>
> We are also planning workshops to take place in the hosting University
> on  the days previous to the LGM - the local team should take care of
> some of these actvities, but if anyone is interested in getting a few
> days earlier to engage students from PUC and other attendees that will
> be very welcome -
>
> We will post more details on how this should work later on.
>
> Please let me know any other questions you have - I had actually been
> hoping to have the final dates before writing you again.
>
>
> Venue website: http://www.puc-rio.br/english/
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>  js
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Re: [CREATE] Pre-Libre Graphics Meeting Photowalk

[Susan Spencer]

Yeah call the number from the email. It works overseas.




On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 4:38 PM, Pat David  wrote:

> Absolutely will do, and I would be willing to bet a decent sum of money
> that we most certainly _will_ end up at a pub!  Should I call the number in
> your response?  You can feel free to msg me off-list with your number if
> you'd like.
>
> Safe travels and see you in London!
>
> pat
>
> On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 3:43 PM Susan Spencer 
> wrote:
>
>> Call us if you wind up at a pub afterwards. Nico (MeshLab), Jonas
>> (MakeHuman), and Roman & Valentyna (Valentina) are interested.
>>
>> Susan
>> *+1 256 508 4550 <%2B1%20256%20508%204550>*
>> *www.valentina-project.org* <http://www.valentina-project.org>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 1:01 PM, Pat David  wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all!
>>>
>>> Thanks to the wonderful work by the local LGM organizing team we are
>>> able to invite everyone that is interested to join us for a photowalk on
>>> Thursday, April 14 (before LGM starts on Friday)!
>>>
>>> The kind folks at Furtherfield Gallery & Commons in Finsbury Park have
>>> offered us the facilities at the Commons to use as a base to start from.
>>> We will meet at the Commons building at 10:00 on Thursday morning.
>>>
>>> Furtherfield Commons
>>> Finsbury Gate - Finsbury Park
>>> Finsbury Park, London, N4 2NQ
>>> http://www.furtherfield.org/gallery/visit
>>> http://osm.org/go/euu5tOiSO--?layers=N&m=
>>>
>>> If you will be a little late and still want to join us, email me at the
>>> address below and I'll try to arrange a way to meet up.  I don't imagine
>>> we'll be very far away (likely somewhere in the park).
>>>
>>> We will likely cover the grounds at the park and possibly the
>>> surrounding city.  This is subject to change as our attention gets diverted
>>> to other opportunities of course (Ooh, something shiny!  Ooh, something
>>> else shiny!).  I'll personally be bringing along my friend Mairi who is
>>> graciously offering to model for us, along with off-camera lighting gear in
>>> case anyone would like to learn a little about that as well.
>>>
>>> If there's a particular type of photography that you are interested in
>>> exploring, feel free to let me know and I will do my best to match folks up
>>> based on interest. Hopefully this will be a fun opportunity to learn some
>>> neat new things, make some new friends, and to grab some great images as
>>> well!
>>>
>>> If there are any questions, please don't hesitate to reach out to me!
>>> patda...@gmail.com
>>> patdavid on irc://irc.gimp.org/#gimp
>>>
>>> pat david
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Re: [CREATE] Pre-Libre Graphics Meeting Photowalk

[Susan Spencer]

Call us if you wind up at a pub afterwards. Nico (MeshLab), Jonas
(MakeHuman), and Roman & Valentyna (Valentina) are interested.

Susan
*+1 256 508 4550*
*www.valentina-project.org* 



On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 1:01 PM, Pat David  wrote:

> Hello all!
>
> Thanks to the wonderful work by the local LGM organizing team we are able
> to invite everyone that is interested to join us for a photowalk on
> Thursday, April 14 (before LGM starts on Friday)!
>
> The kind folks at Furtherfield Gallery & Commons in Finsbury Park have
> offered us the facilities at the Commons to use as a base to start from.
> We will meet at the Commons building at 10:00 on Thursday morning.
>
> Furtherfield Commons
> Finsbury Gate - Finsbury Park
> Finsbury Park, London, N4 2NQ
> http://www.furtherfield.org/gallery/visit
> http://osm.org/go/euu5tOiSO--?layers=N&m=
>
> If you will be a little late and still want to join us, email me at the
> address below and I'll try to arrange a way to meet up.  I don't imagine
> we'll be very far away (likely somewhere in the park).
>
> We will likely cover the grounds at the park and possibly the surrounding
> city.  This is subject to change as our attention gets diverted to other
> opportunities of course (Ooh, something shiny!  Ooh, something else
> shiny!).  I'll personally be bringing along my friend Mairi who is
> graciously offering to model for us, along with off-camera lighting gear in
> case anyone would like to learn a little about that as well.
>
> If there's a particular type of photography that you are interested in
> exploring, feel free to let me know and I will do my best to match folks up
> based on interest. Hopefully this will be a fun opportunity to learn some
> neat new things, make some new friends, and to grab some great images as
> well!
>
> If there are any questions, please don't hesitate to reach out to me!
> patda...@gmail.com
> patdavid on irc://irc.gimp.org/#gimp
>
> pat david
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[CREATE] Need help with packaging Valentina for OSX Maverick & Yosemite

[Susan Spencer]

Valentina  is looking for someone who can
create a build for OSX Maverick & Yosemite. Valentina is written in C++
using Qt v 5.2

Here is the issue on our Bitbucket repo:
https://bitbucket.org/dismine/valentina/issue/195/valentina-mac-osx-not-working

Thanks!
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Re: [CREATE] 3d knitting pattern generation

[Susan Spencer]

Cool!

I love you...


On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Steve Conklin 
wrote:

> During/after LGM, I talked with someone about whether there were any
> tools for 3d pattern generation, and couldn't find any. Now I found
> this, and can't remember who that was, so I'm spamming the mailing
> list.
>
> http://www.geocities.jp/igarashi_lab/knit/index-e.html
>
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Re: [CREATE] Last round of comments: LGM Code of Conduct

[Susan Spencer]

This additional document is awesome.
Great work.
If in the future someone finds a link to an online article which discusses
non-gender-related incidents, it can be added to this document at that time.

On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 6:16 PM, Femke Snelting wrote:
>
>
> OK, so we seem to agree on the overall text but many would like the link
> to the external page at geekfeminism wiki replaced by a LGM-editable list
> of references.
> Also, this page would be more useful if it referred to a wider spectrum of
> concrete harassment-cases than to gender-related incidents only.
>
> Here's a start: http://piratepad.net/lgm-coc-examples
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Re: [CREATE] Last round of comments: LGM Code of Conduct

[Susan Spencer]

Thanks Femke for the reminder of why the link was included:

On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 8:39 AM, Femke Snelting wrote:

>
> The reason to have examples included, is that experience learns (from many
> other groups that have done CoCs and/or that have dealt with harassment),
> that concrete cases are necessary in order for a CoC to work.
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Re: [CREATE] Last round of comments: LGM Code of Conduct

[Susan Spencer]

+1 Julien



> If we need to link to examples of harrasment, maybe
>
> "In case you think these things do not happen:"
>
> could be changed to:
>
> "If one needs examples:"
>
> Just my 2 cents.
>
> Julien
>
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Re: [CREATE] Last round of comments: LGM Code of Conduct

[Susan Spencer]

+1 Brendan's 'confident'  or 'confidence' suggestion.

It is a bit of a break in the flow of the document to have the link.

The reasoning was that since it needed to be included
(else make our own list of examples) then just include it very simply
and not dwell on it.



On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 8:20 AM, Brendan Howell <
brendan+...@howell-ersatz.com> wrote:

> This is excellent!  Two small things that stood out to me:
>
> On 05/19/2014 12:05 PM, Femke Snelting wrote:
> > In case you think these things do not happen:
> > http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline_of_incidents
> >
> While this is a great resource, I don't think it belongs in the CoC.  It
> sounds glib and defensive.  A document like this Code does not need to
> justify its own existence.  Also, it shifts the narrative point of view
> from being the group to "you".
>
> > - For Participants: Feel safe. Participants know that if we experience
> > something that we are not comfortable with, our concerns will be taken
> > seriously - and that help is available.
> > - For Organisers: Feel sure. Organisers know the standard to which the
> > LGM community holds itself, and what to do when an issue arises.
> I would suggest changing "feel sure" to "confidence".  "Sure" sounds
> kind of vague to my American ears.
>
> Thanks for your hard work putting this together!
>
> -Brendan
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Re: [CREATE] Last round of comments: LGM Code of Conduct

[Susan Spencer]

This Code of Conduct reads very well.
It is relatively short given the amount of subject matter that it covers.
Plus:
1.  It doesn't unduly rely on outside definitions (only one outside link)
2.  It doesn't utilize multiple documents to state the policy of behavioral
expectation and the method to implement it


On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 8:57 AM, Gregory Pittman  wrote:

> The only thing I would say is that it reads more like a preamble to a
> code of conduct rather than a code of conduct itself. Maybe a bit too
> much explaining.
>
> I would look at trying to reduce the length, which I think is possible
> since there seems to be some redundancy.
>
> Greg
>
>
> >
> > 
> >
> > *Libre Graphics Meeting - Code of Conduct*
> >
> > Since it's early beginnings in 2006, the Libre Graphics Meeting has been
> > a melting pot where free software developers, practitioners and artists
> > from all over the world have a chance to meet each other, exchange
> > ideas, and plan the future of Free, Libre and Open Source graphics. The
> > meeting is all about participation: free to attend, it is open to all.
> >
> > We intend the Libre Graphics Meeting to be an event that inspires mutual
> > respect, collaboration and exchange. The Libre Graphics Meeting Code of
> > Conduct states our shared ideas about the desired behaviour of
> > participants and organisers. This document is about conduct at the
> > actual meeting, (including related social events, presentations and
> > workshops), communication on the LGM mailing lists and IRC channels.
> >
> > The Libre Graphics community is committed to providing a safe and
> > welcoming environment for all participants, regardless of, for example:
> > ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation, age, appearance, impairment,
> > religion, or technical ability.
> >
> > We accept that people have differences of opinion, that they communicate
> > those in various ways, and that social norms may vary across cultures.
> > Sometimes the impact our behaviour has on others isn't immediately
> > apparent to us. Participants should speak openly and courteously with
> > each other when they see, experience or speak about conduct that might
> > be unwelcome.
> >
> > Misunderstandings do sometimes occur, and people should be able to work
> > things out between themselves whenever possible, in a courteous and
> > respectful manner. They may seek the advice of a mutually trusted third
> > party.
> >
> > Harassment is not tolerated in any form. No matter who you are, if you
> > feel threatened or violated as a result of intimidating, harassing,
> > abusive, discriminatory, derogatory or demeaning conduct, or witness
> > such behaviour, please immediately notify the contact person(s).
> >
> > In case you think these things do not happen:
> > http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline_of_incidents
> >
> > To achieve the goals of the Code of Conduct, the organizers of the Libre
> > Graphics Meeting:
> >
> > -Will check before the selection of a location is made, if local laws
> > are compatible with the CoC.
> > - Will appoint dedicated contact persons, preferably from the local
> > organizing team. Their names and contact details will be published on
> > the LGM website before the event.
> > - Will follow up on each issue brought to the attention of the contact
> > person(s). This includes communicating with involved parties about
> > further steps.
> >
> > The contact person(s) will take appropriate measures when necessary,
> > such as removing someone from the premises or channel.
> >
> > *Purpose of the Code of Conduct document*
> >
> > - For Participants: Feel safe. Participants know that if we experience
> > something that we are not comfortable with, our concerns will be taken
> > seriously - and that help is available.
> > - For Organisers: Feel sure. Organisers know the standard to which the
> > LGM community holds itself, and what to do when an issue arises.
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Re: [CREATE] Code of Conduct

[Susan Spencer]

Attendees of a conference should have reasonable assurance of their safety.


On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 7:54 PM, Tobias Ellinghaus  wrote:

> Am Donnerstag, 10. April 2014, 16:57:18 schrieb Susan Spencer:
> > I think that many people by now have heard that there has been
> > prolonged harassment in the LGM community which
>
> No, please elaborate. I guess a discussion can only happen if everyone has
> the
> same level of information.
>
> > continued into the LGM 2014 conference at Leipzig.
> > This harassment reached a peak with physical assault in an elevator,
>
> "He had it coming" is the best way to describe it.
>
> > and there is a witness to the assault.
> >
> > The University of Leipzig and the LGM sponsors have not been notified
> > that there was harassment and assault during the conference.
>
> Maybe you should make it clear that we are not talking about any sexually
> motivated harassment or anything like that but a confrontation between two
> equal opponents that should be able to settle their differences without
> others
> pointing fingers and writing about it on the internets.
>
> [...]
>
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Re: [CREATE] Code of Conduct

[Susan Spencer]

I think that many people by now have heard that there has been
prolonged harassment in the LGM community which
continued into the LGM 2014 conference at Leipzig.
This harassment reached a peak with physical assault in an elevator,
and there is a witness to the assault.

The University of Leipzig and the LGM sponsors have not been notified
that there was harassment and assault during the conference.

The code of conduct which was suggested as an interim code was not
referenced at the meeting.
It wasn't posted to the community at the meeting, there was no contact
information provided at the meeting,
the community wasn't informed of any procedures to take in case of
incident, the community wasn't informed
of the procedures which would be followed when an incident is reported.
Everything was handled on the fly which resulted in the situation being
handled slowly and with uncertainty as to what to do.
One ad-hoc meeting was held between LGM leadership, the harasser, me,
Steve, and the target.
The results of this meeting have not been communicated to the community,
nor has a clear statement been given to the harasser that these behaviors
are not tolerable in our community.

After the meeting, the harasser tried to intimidate me when he saw me in an
area with few people.
This harasser, who up to now has been my good friend, is a serial bully who
clearly needs help.
He has been removed from the OpenSuse community for serially bulling,
and has been seriously warned about bullying in the OpenClipArt community.

A Code of Conduct is meant to provide 3 things  - statement, definitions,
processes - which are needed for practical reasons.
CoC's must be practical above all else.
Without these 3 elements a chaotic mess results when trouble happens.

We have a clear irrefutable example of this in our own community.

- Susan



On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Jon Nordby  wrote:

> On 21 January 2014 13:25, Tobias Ellinghaus  wrote:
> > But whatever
> > the reason is, not everyone is comfortable with the American (?) way to
> put
> > everything into harmless words. So it is similar to the hugging example:
> may I
> > not tell someone that he is an idiot if that is the case? Not
> necessarily in a
> > derogative way, but just in a discussion. Does the idea that someone
> expresses
> > his disagreement like that make you feel uncomfortable? Well, not being
> able
> > to express me the way I am used to makes ME feel uncomfortable.
>
> If something someone says in a discussion does not make sense, that is
> what you say: X is wrong because Y.
> The same goes if the person does something wrong, say which action you
> believed was wrong, and why.
> Don't call the person an idiot. It might work out most of the time*,
> but expecting others to have a hard skin and
> deflect the comment about their person, and to correctly deduce what
> you *really* meant by it is not a good approach to communication.
> It increases the risk of hurting people and/or to derail the
> conversation. Keep criticism on actions and arguments.
>
> *at least for the person who calls another an idiot...
>
> > So where to draw the line? As I wrote at the first day of this
> discussion I
> > also prefer the "treat others the way you think it is ok, and if it
> turns out
> > that the other person doesn't feel the same then try to adapt and find
> some
> > common ground for social interaction." approach. That is what being a
> social
> > being is about: being able to copy with different social backgrounds,
> adapting
> > and reacting to the situation at hand. And in the worst case avoid that
> person
> > if interaction is not possible.
> The people you interact with decide where they draw the line. Until
> you know what the limits are, presuming that your own definition is
> suitable is risky business.
>
> My 2 øre.
>
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Re: [CREATE] Agenda and draft proposal for Libre Graphics Meeting Code of Conduct

[Susan Spencer]

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Re: [CREATE] Reminder registration for activities closes 25th

[Susan Spencer]

Sirko,

Steve & I will *not* be able to attend the museum visit on April 1st.
I don't remember if I signed up for the visit on the LGM website, if I did
please remove our names.

See you soon!
Susan


On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 5:43 AM, S.Kemter  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> just an reminder the registration for the visit at Museum for Printing
> Arts closes at 25th, because I have to register an group, there are not
> enoug registrations for an group yet. So if you are interested you should
> register!
>
> http://libregraphicsmeeting.org/2014/activities/
>
> br gnokii
>
>
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Re: [CREATE] App with schedule LGM 2014

[Susan Spencer]

Hi Ale,

Christophe Beyls (https://plus.google.com/u/0/+ChristopheBeyls/posts)
says he doesn't have much time to work on a new project, but he
can help you if you have questions.

Send him a message on Google+


-Susan




On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 10:07 AM, ale rimoldi  wrote:

> hi
>
> > i will now test it with giggity
>
> basic test done: giggity can read the text/calendar output, but the
> output is not ice at all.
>
> i must suppose that it's the output on the lgm side that is "wrong", but
> since i have never seen any other schedule rendered in giggity, i have a
> hard time finding out what should be changed.
>
> for obvious reasons, if will send the url to the ones who volunteer...
>
> ciao
> a.l.e
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[CREATE] Valentina website

[Susan Spencer]

The Valentina pattern design software project has a new website at
bitbucket.
We're pointing several domain names at it so you can't miss it:

www.valentina-project.com
www.valentina-project.org
www.valentina-project.net

There will be a Valentina code sprint at Libre Graphics
2014
.
We are looking for beta-testers, coders, designers,
3d modellers, documenters, website maintainers,
and other interested persons to attend.

If you won't be at LGM2014 but would like to contribute,
join the Google group and introduce yourself:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/valentina-project-list
Since this is a relatively new project there's lots to do!

Cheers,
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Re: [CREATE] Visa letter

[Susan Spencer]

Who is in charge of sending official LGM letters to presenters?

Roman Telezhinsky needs a letter to submit with his application for visa
from Ukraine.

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[CREATE] Help with localization

[Susan Spencer]

Hi all!

The Valentina patternmaking project is trying to implement localizaion for
it's body measurement names.

We have a file with measurement names but we would like to know how to
implement localization
for using these measurements.  The measurement names are from the ASTM
D5219-09 "Standard Terminology Relating to Body Dimensions for Apparel
Sizing".

Any ideas would be appreciated.


 
   
   
   
   
 
 
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[CREATE] Valentina update

[Susan Spencer]

There's been so much work on the Valentina patternmaking project that Roman
created a visualization:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-HdsIa6jZA#t=8

We are thinking of applying to GSOC.
Anyone interested in helping us through the process?
Applications are Feb 3 through Feb 14.

Here's the link to the source code:
https://bitbucket.org/dismine/valentina/overview

Google group:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/valentina-project-list
Anyone can join the group

Three people are working on code. (Roman, Luzpaz, Steve)
Three people are working on translations - Czech was added this week!
(Christine, Kunda, Pavel)
Three people are working on patterns, measurements and testing. (Lisabeth,
Christine, me)


Best,
Susan :D
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Re: [CREATE] Code of Conduct

[Susan Spencer]

I agree with Chris.

+1


On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 5:28 PM, Chris Lilley  wrote:

>
> 2). Adopt a lightly-reworded PyCon code for this time around, and
> gather both feedback and experience using it to decide if a further
> refinement is necessary for next time.
>
> > Would it be ok if we make the decision with the co-organisers of
> > this year’s LGM
>
> Yes. Just do it.
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Re: [CREATE] Code of Conduct

[Susan Spencer]

PyCon, in addition to having one of the
best anti-harassment polices, is now
providing childcare thanks to their
enlightened community:
https://us.pycon.org/2014/childcare/
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Re: [CREATE] Code of Conduct

[Susan Spencer]

Hi Michael!

Yes you're correct, there's no need to reinvent the wheel,
there are good examples to follow. And a CoC should be
adopted whether financial support results from it or not.

Is it worth informing the sponsors who require a CoC that
we plan to adopt a CoC at the meeting, as there may
be government bureaucratic issues which prevent
adopting a CoC at this time?
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Re: [CREATE] [LGM] Code of Conduct

[Susan Spencer]

I agree with the understanding that this is a minimalistic draft,
suitable for the time being until the BOF at LGM 2014.



On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 4:04 PM, Louis Desjardins <
louis.desjard...@gmail.com> wrote:

> 2014/1/16 Gregory Pittman 
>
>> On 01/16/2014 04:47 AM, ale rimoldi wrote:
>> > hi jon,
>> >
>> > thanks for researching and for the links!
>> >
>> >> http://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
>> >
>> > i specially like the python one: short, to the point and throughout
>> > expressed in positive terms.
>> >
>> > for what i'm concerned, we can adopt it, just by replacing python by
>> > LGM (and some more minor changes...) and then discuss at the LGM itself
>> > what we can add to make it even more adapted to our meeting (as an
>> > example by adding a "In case of any problems please get in touch
>> > with ... or ... by ...").
>>
>> I think this one is rather too verbose, and comes from the perspective
>> of Python development.
>>
>> I like this one better:
>>
>>
>> https://github.com/python/pycon-code-of-conduct/blob/master/code_of_conduct.md
>>
>> which I think is easier to adapt and make even shorter:
>>
>> *** Proposed LGM COC 
>>
>> Code of Conduct for Libre Graphics Meeting 2014
>>
>> In the spirit of FOSS and the various projects, other groups, and
>> individuals who support and attend these annual meetings, we want to
>> continue to enjoy the congenial and considerate atmosphere important to
>> the exchange of ideas at LGM.
>>
>> All communication should be appropriate for a professional audience
>> including people of many different backgrounds and cultures. Please be
>> considerate of the various sensitivities of all of those who attend.
>>
>> Be kind to others. Do not insult or put down other attendees. Behave
>> professionally.
>>
>> In case you observe or experience any such negative behavior, you are
>> encouraged to notify LGM organizers so that appropriate steps can be
>> taken.
>>
>> **
>>
>
> Thanks Greg for this edited version!
>
> To everyone: Does the proposed LGM CoC meet our expectations?
>
> What I see here is something easy to understand, concise, to the point.
>
> Without the idea of rushing anyone, may I ask if someone feels he or she
> didn’t have time to express an opinion, share a thought or bring up an
> argument we’d need to consider?
>
> Is it too early or are we ready for a vote?
>
> Cheers!
>
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>
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Re: [CREATE] Code of Conduct

[Susan Spencer]

One final link to examples, etc.:

"If recent high-profile incidents of sexual harassment and other
inappropriate
behavior at conferences and conventions haven't convinced you, listen to
our
expert sources: Your meeting needs a harassment policy.
Here's what you need to include."

http://www.convene-digital.org/convene/december_2013#pg95

It's possible there won't be a temporary CoC for LGM 2014
due to issues Sirko mentioned earlier in this thread,
but this document will be useful for the BOF meeting.
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Re: [CREATE] Code of Conduct

[Susan Spencer]

To be clear about this, not all 'adult' material or discussions would break
a Code of Conduct.
So that, by posting the following link, with the disclaimer that it
contains adult material
and to only click on it if you are not offended by the mention of body
parts,
I would not be violating any reasonable Code of Conduct, because it's not
insulting
to anyone, it's just awkward. I'm being rather silly by mentioning it.
 Tight pants I think is less
problematic as a theme of discussion compared to this, yet the linked
material
is strangely on-topic for this thread:

http://www.masterslaveconference.org/rules-policies.html

I'm posting this because I am a silly person, and to demonstrate that a
good Code of Coduct
properly meets the needs of its community, and not all discussion in poor
taste is
a violation of a Code of Conduct.

So there...

- Susan O


On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Susan Spencer wrote:

> Just for kicks, read the Norwegian Cruise Line's Guest Code of Conduct
> policy:
> http://www.ncl.com/faq/guest-conduct-policy
>
> They make parents repsonsible for their young adult's behavior! o.0
> And we probably wouldn't confiscate skateboards, either.
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Susan Spencer 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Christoph,
>>
>> Well, I suppose that a Code of Conduct is meaningless without a plan to
>> implement it.  No need for chaos and confusion and miscommunication to
>> erupt if an incident occurs.  Having a process defined is always the most
>> efficient way to handle any potential occurrence (this goes for running a
>> convention as well as running a data center).  It's just logical and
>> practical.  It's like having an emergency exit plan posted for use in the
>> event of fire.  It's no good to figure out what to do, word it properly,
>> and post it once a fire breaks out. It's only good if it's posted and
>> everyone knows about it beforehand.  And it doesn't increase the risk of
>> fire. And no one believes that it implies that the building is a wreck and
>> a fire hazard, so no one is insulted or made uncomfortable by it.
>>
>> The discussion about keeping people safe and providing a reasonable
>> assurance of a respectful environment has been all over the web for years.
>>  I can't possibly cover all the bases about this, especially to everyone's
>> satisfaction.  I'm sorry if this sounds like I'm avoiding the issue, but
>> truly there is so much content that I would be spending several days trying
>> to provide you a synopsis.  Perhaps, if you are interested, you could
>> investigate how other companies and organizations have implemented their
>> policies and post what you think everyone should know.
>>
>>
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Re: [CREATE] Code of Conduct

[Susan Spencer]

Just for kicks, read the Norwegian Cruise Line's Guest Code of Conduct
policy:
http://www.ncl.com/faq/guest-conduct-policy

They make parents repsonsible for their young adult's behavior! o.0
And we probably wouldn't confiscate skateboards, either.


On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Susan Spencer wrote:

> Hi Christoph,
>
> Well, I suppose that a Code of Conduct is meaningless without a plan to
> implement it.  No need for chaos and confusion and miscommunication to
> erupt if an incident occurs.  Having a process defined is always the most
> efficient way to handle any potential occurrence (this goes for running a
> convention as well as running a data center).  It's just logical and
> practical.  It's like having an emergency exit plan posted for use in the
> event of fire.  It's no good to figure out what to do, word it properly,
> and post it once a fire breaks out. It's only good if it's posted and
> everyone knows about it beforehand.  And it doesn't increase the risk of
> fire. And no one believes that it implies that the building is a wreck and
> a fire hazard, so no one is insulted or made uncomfortable by it.
>
> The discussion about keeping people safe and providing a reasonable
> assurance of a respectful environment has been all over the web for years.
>  I can't possibly cover all the bases about this, especially to everyone's
> satisfaction.  I'm sorry if this sounds like I'm avoiding the issue, but
> truly there is so much content that I would be spending several days trying
> to provide you a synopsis.  Perhaps, if you are interested, you could
> investigate how other companies and organizations have implemented their
> policies and post what you think everyone should know.
>
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Re: [CREATE] Code of Conduct

[Susan Spencer]

Hi Christoph,

Well, I suppose that a Code of Conduct is meaningless without a plan to
implement it.  No need for chaos and confusion and miscommunication to
erupt if an incident occurs.  Having a process defined is always the most
efficient way to handle any potential occurrence (this goes for running a
convention as well as running a data center).  It's just logical and
practical.  It's like having an emergency exit plan posted for use in the
event of fire.  It's no good to figure out what to do, word it properly,
and post it once a fire breaks out. It's only good if it's posted and
everyone knows about it beforehand.  And it doesn't increase the risk of
fire. And no one believes that it implies that the building is a wreck and
a fire hazard, so no one is insulted or made uncomfortable by it.

The discussion about keeping people safe and providing a reasonable
assurance of a respectful environment has been all over the web for years.
 I can't possibly cover all the bases about this, especially to everyone's
satisfaction.  I'm sorry if this sounds like I'm avoiding the issue, but
truly there is so much content that I would be spending several days trying
to provide you a synopsis.  Perhaps, if you are interested, you could
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Re: [CREATE] Code of Conduct

[Susan Spencer]

Lots of other organizations have gone through this process.
We're in good company.

Here's an article about Heroku's experience in adopting a Code of Conduct.
https://blog.heroku.com/archives/2013/12/11/code_of_conduct
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Re: [CREATE] Code of Conduct

[Susan Spencer]

This is a great code of conduct for *community at large*. (Thanks Jon!)
http://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/

And this is a great procedural implementaiton of a code of conduct, needed
for a *convention*.
https://us.pycon.org/2013/about/code-of-conduct/

They are two different things, they back each other up.
Both are necessary.

Sorry if it is uncomfortable, but it's certainly not hate speech.
A Code of Conduct is not a villainous bogeyman.
CoCs help keep people safe.

- Susan




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> hi jon,
>
> thanks for researching and for the links!
>
> > http://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
>
> i specially like the python one: short, to the point and throughout
> expressed in positive terms.
>
> for what i'm concerned, we can adopt it, just by replacing python by
> LGM (and some more minor changes...) and then discuss at the LGM itself
> what we can add to make it even more adapted to our meeting (as an
> example by adding a "In case of any problems please get in touch
> with ... or ... by ...").
>
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Re: [CREATE] Code of Conduct

[Susan Spencer]

I applaud the statements that the LGM CoC should be phrased in a positive
way.

But this is not about staying within comfort zones, its about protecting
people.
If anyone were comfortable with this subject matter then they would be very
odd indeed.

Many people in Alabama can't talk about race properly because it makes them
uncomfortable. They can only discuss it in the abstract, and circle around
it without coming to any accountability. These conversations are very
familiar to me.  On the surface it sounds reasonable, but what it means is
that should an issue occur then the community feels entitled to complain
about the issue because it makes them uncomfortable, not because something
bad has happened.

So please consider the practical nature of the CoC, and embrace a small bit
of 'uncomfortableness' because it may help someone in the future.
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Re: [CREATE] Code of Conduct

[Susan Spencer]

It seems this discussion is taking place
around three definition sets of heinous behaviors.

The 1st set contains injustices against groups
as described by Hin-tak  (Hi Hin-tak! :D)

The 2nd set of heinous behaviors is contained
within the 1st set. It is the set of
injustices committed against women.

The 3rd set is within the 2nd, and is the set of injustices
which are committed against women
in the working place and in professional settings.

LGM is a professional setting.
Open source conferences historically have been places
where women are ostracized, insulted
and humiliated. Many, many women have gone
to open source conferences only to find that
they have wasted their time, money and effort.
These conferences should be events where their
career gains momentum, not where their career
is ruined.

The only reason that LGM is being asked
to have a CoC is to help erradicate behaviors
which have been shoving women to the back of the
professional line.

There are always people who constantly must
put others down in order to feel good about themselves.
A Code of Conduct is usually implemented to indicate that
insults and injuries should be dispensed *equally* against
women and men, such that there isn't a larger proportion
being aimed at women's ability to program, their intelligence,
their personalities, their , and that
lewd wisecracks aren't made which by definition
render women excluded from the group who laugh
at the 'joke'.

So when someone posts on this thread, it would
help me to know which set of heinous behaviors they
are addressing.

PSF is clearly concerned about the third smallest set,
which is the most critical in affecting the number
of women in the open source community.

LGM attendees have always followed the rules of polite society
so well that there has been no need to mention the rules.
But LGM is growing...

We can't eradicate stupid ridiculous behavior,
but we can at least join the effort to keep it from sweeping
the XXs out of the IT gene pool.


Solidarność,

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Re: [CREATE] Code of Conduct

[Susan Spencer]

Can LGM adopt the PSF policy
as a temporary measure?
http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Conference_anti-harassment/Policy

Then at LGM we can hold a BOF meeting
where results are posted
with additional paper for comments.

Results will be put forward to an
all-hands vote with amendments
welcomed from the floor.

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Re: [CREATE] CREATE Digest, Vol 102, Issue 7

[Susan Spencer]

Can LGM adopt the PSF policy
as a temporary measure?
http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Conference_anti-harassment/Policy

Then at LGM we can hold a BOF meeting
where results are posted
with additional paper for comments.

Results will be put forward to an
all-hands vote with amendments
welcomed from the floor.

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Re: [CREATE] Open source patternmaking tool

[Susan Spencer]

The Valentina project now has a blog:

http://valentina-project.blogspot.com


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Re: [CREATE] Fwd: Open source patternmaking tool

[Susan Spencer]

You're correct - they are abbreviations.
He can provide a list.
Would you like to install the program?
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Re: [CREATE] Open source patternmaking tool

[Susan Spencer]

Hi Valek!

There are lists of variables which need translation,
The variable lists themselves are chosen by radio buttons,
so the labels need translation as well.

Are you interested?


On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 7:51 PM, Valek Filippov  wrote:

> Susan,
>
> Could you be a bit more specific about what you would like to be
> translated?
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Valek
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 9:58 PM, Susan Spencer wrote:
>
>>  This program was recently developed by Roman Telezhinsky
>> and is now going through initial testing and UI development.
>>
>> http://www.opennet.ru/opennews/art.shtml?num=38602
>>
>> If there is anyone on this list who can help with translation
>> we would really appreciate your help!
>>
>> - Susan
>>
>>
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[CREATE] Open source patternmaking tool

[Susan Spencer]

This program was recently developed by Roman Telezhinsky
and is now going through initial testing and UI development.

http://www.opennet.ru/opennews/art.shtml?num=38602

If there is anyone on this list who can help with translation
we would really appreciate your help!

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[CREATE] Sewing Pattern extension

[Susan Spencer]

Hi everyone,

Here is a link to an Edwardian-era
Shirt Waist draft which has been
coded into an Inkscape extension.

Please take a look at it and
let me know if this seems usable.
Code comments are welcome, too!

sewing_patterns.py
shirt_waist_allington.inx
shirt_waist_allington.py

Copy these file to the Inkscape user extensions directory,
and mark sewing_patterns.py as executable.

The Tau Meta Tau Physica blog  covers
how the
pattern from this book was converted
into code.

xo,
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[CREATE] Programmer needed

[Susan Spencer]

Looking for a programmer
to develop a cairo-graphics
demo app of Tau Meta Tau Physica
pattern design software.
Current code is written in python.

This software can be used for
sheet metal and wood working
in addition to garment design.

Current examples of SVG output are here:
https://docs.google.com/open?id=0BxsnjDIHW4yvNTJKdlBfdmVEUGs
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BxsnjDIHW4yvck9iMGVVTWFXMFU/edit (large
file)
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BxsnjDIHW4yvTVFndHIyYnBoZjA/edit (large
file)

If you are interested
please contact me at
susan.spen...@gmail.com


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Re: [CREATE] Next Libre Graphics Meeting. Madrid.

[Susan Spencer]

>
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 14:00:52 +0200
> From: "S.Kemter" 
> Subject: Re: [CREATE] Next Libre Graphics Meeting. Madrid.
> To: create@lists.freedesktop.org
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> Am Donnerstag, 7. Juni 2012, 10:44:25 schrieb ale rimoldi:
> > hi
> >
> > > I'm M?nica from Medialab-Prado, where the Libre Graphics Meeting will
> > > take place next year- 2013.
> > >
> > > It's a pleasure for us to propose you the following dates for the
> > > Meeting: April from 10 to 13.
> > > Following the international meeting, an  Interactivos? workshop will
> > > take place. It is aimed to develop projects related to Libre graphics
> > > contents. Interactivos? will take place from April 13 to 27.
> > >
> > > Hope this schedule suits you,
> > >
> > > Looking forward to hearing from you!
> >
> > while the date is perfect for me, i was wondering if we shouldn't think
> > about getting the LGM to be more compatible with the needs of students.
> >
> > personally, i've heard of many "no, thanks" from students, and the
> > reason was that the LGM was during the academic year.
> > and this is a pity, since we want the youngsters to be there!
> >
> >
> > as far as i know, the academic year is standardized all over western
> > europe and for 2013 the summer semester should go from 18.02.2013 to
> > 31.05.2013, with some easter holidays from march 29th and april 7th (i
> > couldn't find out if this week is a standard holiday or is only common
> > in switzerland).
>
> wrong!
>
> First: There is no standardized times, in Germany and Austria they are
> different from state to state. And the universities have also the freedom
> to
> set there dates, so they differ also 2-3 days mostly.
> If that is not enough there are differences between universities also.
> Like the
> "university" last LGM was, is from the german view not a university, its a
> Fachhochschule and they have different semester, mostly they begin a month
> earlier. And when this is not enough we have also universities who have no
> semester, they have trimester.
>
> Second: the vacation between the semester means not it is free. It means
> only
> there are no lectures. But there are e.g. exams.
>
> So you will never find a date who fixes all.
>
> br gnokii
> >
> >
> > i don't know if there is still room for a change for 2013, but i think
> > that those dates could be considered for future LGMs in europe.
> >
> > have a nice day
> >
> > a.l.e
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>
Hmmm*all*, *should*, *must*, *always*, *never* and
other similar adverbs are in most cases unattainable.

Sothe last half of June, all of July, and first half of August
seem to the be best times to observe young adults in their
habitats of choice, free from enrollment in a course of study.

I know of a couple of youngish persons who would like to
attend LGM.

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Re: [CREATE] [Inkscape-devel] Quick ! Teams, please confirm LGM 2013 dates proposal

[Susan Spencer]

Aye!

- Susan

On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 8:58 AM, Louis Desjardins  wrote:

> To all teams,
>
> Hi all !
>
> After our unanimous call for next LGM to take place in Madrid, we now need
> a quick go-ahead for the dates !
>
> The proposal is April 10-13 (Wednesday-Saturday)
>
> Please voice any concern about those dates or your clear approval asap.
>
> Many thanks !!!
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Re: [CREATE] pre-lgm activities (a.l.e)

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I would like to attend the pre-lgm python meeting.

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Re: [CREATE] next gsoc idea

[Susan Spencer]

Yes, and soon!

- Susan


>> 2012/3/17 Alexandre Prokoudine 
>>
>> >
>> > But it means that CREATE should enhance its profile as an organization.
>> >
>>
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Re: [CREATE] next gsoc idea

[Susan Spencer]

Yes, I have a project to create digital sewing patterns.
- Susan


> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 10:20:19 +0100
> From: Camille Bissuel 
> Subject: Re: [CREATE] next gsoc idea
> To: Create 
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> I can't agree more, That's an excellent idea ;)
>
> Are thoses projects interested in such a deal ?
>
> Cheers,
> Camille
>
> 2012/3/17 Alexandre Prokoudine 
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Here is an idea for the next GSoC (2013): make CREATE an umbrella
> > organization for smaller projects and projects that work on compliance
> > between apps a lot:
> >
> > That would at the very least be:
> >
> > - MyPaint
> > - SwatchBooker
> > - Gpick
> >
> > Then there's the case of manufacturing that seems to be a topic at
> > LGM, and that means projects like:
> >
> > - Thred (http://bit.ly/AmTCF6)
> > - Sconcho (http://bit.ly/y6jjd8)
> > - TMTP (https://github.com/sconklin/tmtp)
> > - Inkcut (http://bit.ly/gGf49M).
> >
> > And, of course, any team that needs support for some proprietary file
> > format -- we in the re-lab project are always happy to assist with
> > that.
> >
> > But it means that CREATE should enhance its profile as an organization.
> >
> > Alexandre Prokoudine
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Re: [CREATE] CREATE Digest, Vol 80, Issue 10

[Susan Spencer]

Yes to workshop, no to presentation.

I've written some python versions of 2D geometric algorithms, not many.
They're very simple to enable a young person to understand the movement
& sweep of the data in creating a shape, intersecting two shapes, etc.
The data structures/objects used are very 'shallow' and uncomplicated.
But I'd love to expand on this to complete a lib2geom-type package for
those who
have neither time nor background to untie the gordian knot of geometric
mathematics.

-susan

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>   1. LGM 2012 workshop -- lib2geom (Susan Spencer)
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>   4. Re: LGM 2012 workshop -- lib2geom (Igor Novikov)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:03:57 -0600
> From: Susan Spencer 
> Subject: [CREATE] LGM 2012 workshop -- lib2geom
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> Would any of our fabulous graphics programmers like to
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> - Susan
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> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 22:50:46 +0100
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> Subject: Re: [CREATE] LGM 2012 workshop -- lib2geom
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> I would, nice library, but it don't have much documentation, there's
> only goals and FAQ on wiki, and link to tutorial is dead.
>
> On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:03:57 -0600
> Susan Spencer  wrote:
>
> > Would any of our fabulous graphics programmers like to
> > have a workshop on using lib2geom at LGM?
> >
> > - Susan
>
> --
> Jakub Jankiewicz
> twitter: @jcubic
> www: http://jcubic.pl
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:59:25 -0600
> From: Susan Spencer 
> Subject: Re: [CREATE] LGM 2012 workshop -- lib2geom
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> Maybe we could have one short session per day, with different presenters
> for each session.
> This would make it easier on the persons who wish to pass on their
> knowledge.
>
> With more knowledge about lib2geom the users of Inkscape, Scribus, Gimp,
> etc.
> become better contributors, and new programmers can pick up the work
> from those who wish to go on to other projects.
>
> Any takers for the presentations?
>
> - susan
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 3:50 PM, Jakub Jankiewicz  wrote:
>
> > I would, nice library, but it don't have much documentation, there's
> > only goals and FAQ on wiki, and link to tutorial is dead.
> >
> > On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:03:57 -0600
> > Susan Spencer  wrote:
> >
> > > Would any of our fabulous graphics programmers like to
> > > have a workshop on using lib2geom at LGM?
> > >
> > > - Susan
> >
> > --
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> > twitter: @jcubic
> > www: http://jcubic.pl
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> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 12:29:03 +0200
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> Subject: Re: [CREATE] LGM 2012 workshop -- lib2geom
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Re: [CREATE] LGM 2012 workshop -- lib2geom

[Susan Spencer]

Maybe we could have one short session per day, with different presenters
for each session.
This would make it easier on the persons who wish to pass on their
knowledge.

With more knowledge about lib2geom the users of Inkscape, Scribus, Gimp,
etc.
become better contributors, and new programmers can pick up the work
from those who wish to go on to other projects.

Any takers for the presentations?

- susan


On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 3:50 PM, Jakub Jankiewicz  wrote:

> I would, nice library, but it don't have much documentation, there's
> only goals and FAQ on wiki, and link to tutorial is dead.
>
> On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:03:57 -0600
> Susan Spencer  wrote:
>
> > Would any of our fabulous graphics programmers like to
> > have a workshop on using lib2geom at LGM?
> >
> > - Susan
>
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[CREATE] LGM 2012 workshop -- lib2geom

[Susan Spencer]

Would any of our fabulous graphics programmers like to
have a workshop on using lib2geom at LGM?

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Re: [CREATE] LGM 2012 in Vienna?

[Susan Spencer]

The Vienna team will need to know soon,
so that they can negotiate hotels, etc.
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Re: [CREATE] LGM 2012 in Vienna?

[Susan Spencer]

The offer to host LGM in South America is very enticing.
However, Vienna would appear to be a less expensive destination for many
participants.
The Vienna hosting team appears to have a bit of experience, which
presumably lessens
the workload of the current and past organizers and give them a bit of a
break.
No disrespect to the proponents of distributing the LGM meeting around the
globe,
but until sponsorship increases it may be best to keep the meeting within
the travel budgets of a good mix of developers and users.

- Susan


> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:25:41 +0200
> From: Daniel Jahre 
> Subject: [CREATE] LGM 2012 in Vienna?
>
>
> Hello,
>
> I was asked to say something to the list about the possibility to host
> the LGM @ Vienna, Austria, Europe.
> I am from the organizing team of the Linuxwochen Wien which is an
> annual event covering free and open source software in Vienna.
> Our event is part of a chain of free software events all over Austria
> including Linuxwochen Linz which already has a focus on libre arts.
> The next event in Vienna would be on May 4th- May 6th 2012. It would
> be an honour for us to have a joint conference at that date with you.
> If you are intereted please contact me and tell what are your
> requirements and needs to make it happen.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Daniel for the Linuxwochen organizers
>
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[CREATE] Do what *you* do

[Susan Spencer]

Steve sent me this, thought the list might
enjoy it too.

http://xkcd.com/896/

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[CREATE] Pattern Making pre-conference workshop at LGM 2011

[Susan Spencer]

FYI:

Singer Canada is donating use of sewing machines.

Prym Consumer Canada is giving each participant
2 great pattern making rulers and a beginner's
sewing kit (scissors, pin cushion, needles, etc.)

Players Press has given license to provide
a copy of a pattern from 'Men's Garments 1830-1900'
to each participant.

I am waiting to hear back from Hewlett-Packard,
Cansew, Fabricville, Alisha Fabric Imports, and
Baker Textile.

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[CREATE] Font Familiarity vs. Learning Curve

[Susan Spencer]

>
> Interesting article in New York Times about font selection:


*Font Size May Not Aid Learning, but Its Style Can, Researchers Find -
NYTimes.com *

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Re: [CREATE] CREATE Digest, Vol 70, Issue 14

[Susan Spencer]

>
> Interesting article in New York Times about font selection:


*Font Size May Not Aid Learning, but Its Style Can, Researchers Find -
NYTimes.com *




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[CREATE] Fwd: LGM11 panel proposal: attracting new devs

[Susan Spencer]

More on an old thread:

Here's a nice bit about project documentation.

http://opensource.com/education/11/3/i-cant-bake-croissants-fable-project-documentation?sc_cid=7016000TKXxAAO

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Re: [CREATE] LGM11 panel proposal: attracting new devs

[Susan Spencer]

I realize this is an old thread,
but I saw this short article and thought
it might have good information.

http://opensource.com/life/11/3/how-become-amazing-contributor-open-source-project?sc_cid=7016000TKXxAAO

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Re: [CREATE] Pre-LGM 2011 activities

[Susan Spencer]

The workshop would **not** be developed for a boring tshirt. :-D
I'm working on getting the equipment required for 15 participants.
It's a short list of supplies for each person.
Trying to get 4 or 5 sewing machines, too.
Maybe a big plotter to print patterns on!
I use an old 36" roll-feed plotter.
Maybe HP has something new they want to demo for a few days.

I'll also keep the 30-minute presentation in the queue,
but I shall abide by the decisions of the LGM demi-gods & goddesses
regarding the presenters & schedule.

- Susan


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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2011 11:17:43 +0200
> From: Femke Snelting 
> Subject: Re: [CREATE] Pre-LGM 2011 activities
> To: create@lists.freedesktop.org
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>
> Hello Susan
>
> > I would love to do a hands on workshop.
>
> Fantastic news!
>
> > Would need a big roll of 36" wide paper from a printshop, some
> > tsquares/paper/pencils, tape measures, tables.
> > Inkscape and python on participants laptop so we can write a python
> > extension, and I would do the programming as well so we'd need access to
> > a projector & screen for my laptop.
> > We can go from pencil to code in 2 to 3 hours, or even less.
> > I can make a guy's garment as the example.
>
> I am very curious about the process. If you say 'guy's garment', I hope you
> don't mean X-large T-shirt ;-)
>
> > Might be nice if we had a sewing machine or two plus muslin or bed
> > sheets, scissors, chalk and thread, to be available for the duration of
> > the LGM meeting for people to play with.
> > I can come early to make arrangements and source the equipment.
>
> OK, we will get in contact off-list soon to work out the details
>
> > I'll contact Simplicity, Burda, Bernina, etc. to see if there's a
> > possible fund source or if they'd lend us machines (they do this for
> > Swap-O-Rama-Rama).
> > This would be more fun than a presentation anyway.
>
> Both is even better :-)
>
> Femke
>
>
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Re: [CREATE] Pre-LGM 2011 activities

[Susan Spencer]

Femke et al.,

I would love to do a hands on workshop.
Would need a big roll of 36" wide paper from a printshop, some
tsquares/paper/pencils, tape measures, tables.
Inkscape and python on participants laptop so we can write a python
extension, and I would do the programming as well so we'd need access to a
projector & screen for my laptop.
We can go from pencil to code in 2 to 3 hours, or even less.
I can make a guy's garment as the example.
Might be nice if we had a sewing machine or two plus muslin or bed sheets,
scissors, chalk and thread, to be available for the duration of the LGM
meeting for people to play with.
I can come early to make arrangements and source the equipment.
I'll contact Simplicity, Burda, Bernina, etc. to see if there's a possible
fund source or if they'd lend us machines (they do this for
Swap-O-Rama-Rama).
This would be more fun than a presentation anyway.

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Femke et al.,

I would love to do a hands on workshop.
Would need a big roll of 36" wide paper from a printshop, some
tsquares/paper/pencils, tape measures, tables.
Inkscape and python on their laptop so we can write a basic python
extension, and I would do the programming as well so we'd need access to a
projector & screen for my laptop.
We can go from pencil to code in 2 to 3 hours, or even less.
I can make a guy's garment as the example.
Might be nice if we had a sewing machine or two plus muslin or bed sheets,
scissors, chalk and thread.
I can come early to make arrangements and source the equipment.
I'll contact Simplicity, Burda, Bernina, etc. to see if there's a possible
fund source or if they'd lend us machines (they do this for
Swap-O-Rama-Rama).
This would be more fun than a presentation anyway.

-Susan

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>   1. Pre-LGM 2011 activities (Femke Snelting)
>   2. Re: Pre-LGM 2011 activities (celine celines)
>   3. Re: Pre-LGM 2011 activities (ginger coons)
>   4. Re: Pre-LGM 2011 activities (j...@rejon.org)
>   5. Re: Pre-LGM 2011 activities (Louis Desjardins)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2011 17:14:07 +0200
> From: Femke Snelting 
> Subject: [CREATE] Pre-LGM 2011 activities
> To: Louis Desjardins ,  Create
>
> Message-ID: <4d9b31bf.3040...@collectifs.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
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> Dear Louis,dear list
>
> We've been thinking about how and what pre-LGM activities to organise in
> the weekend of 7-8 May.
>
> First of all: are there already any concrete agreements with Foulab? I am
> asking because StudioXX has agreed to make their workshop spaces plus
> equipment available for the weekend. It looks like the
> Let's-Talk-About-Tools-exhibition can take place at StudioXX as well (more
> news about that soon from ginger), so that seems convenient. In addition,
> StudioXX has multiple computers available, dualboot Ubuntu. What do you
> think?
> One of the spaces available:
> http://www.studioxx.org/newsletter/images/BanniereBulletin58.jpg
> About the exhibition and debate:
> http://www.libregraphicsmeeting.org/2011/?page_id=2
>
> As for the program, we were thinking to host a maximum of three workshops
> (one or two on Saturday and one on Sunday) and to have the public jury
> discussion Sunday at 17:00 and vernissage of the exhibition Sunday at 20:00
> -- as close as possible to the start of LGM itself on Tuesday.
>
> We'd like these workshops to be a mix techniques, tools and concepts and
> they would run about four hours each. We thought it could be interesting to
> extend the "Let's-Talk-About-Tools"-theme in relation to the debate and
> exhibition. The workshops would be aimed at art- or  design students plus
> creative professionals interested in F/LOSS; a maximum of 15 participants
> per workshop.
>
> OSP is ready to take on one of the workshops (we're still brainstorming
> about what we would like to do and we would like to connect to one of your
> proposals), so ... is there anybody here on the list planning to arrive
> early that wants to take on a workshop?
>
> It would be interesting to work on the tools-theme through illustration or
> animation for example, but I can also imagine a digital Pattern Making
> workshop with Susan Spencer ... or something mixing imposition, binding and
> mapping with Tom Lechner ... or exploring the idea of manuals-before-tools
> that came up here earlier ... or ...
>
> best!
>
>
> Femke
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 11:40:00 -0400
> From: celine celines 
> Subject: Re: [CREATE] Pre-LGM 2011 activities
> To: Femke Snelting 
> Cc: Create 
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Hello Femke,
>
> Brilliant!
>
> I was going to contact Studio XX, glad they are open to host workshops. We
> can add a page on WP LGM about these workshops and describe them so th

Re: [CREATE] Announcement: Libre Graphics magazine 1.2 is out now

[Susan Spencer]

This is wonderful publication.
Thank you for this.
It's brilliant.

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Re: [CREATE] CREATE Digest, Vol 69, Issue 16

[Susan Spencer]

Dell ships computers preloaded with Linux.
Perhaps they are interested in cultivating
customers within the open source community.

- Susan


>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 03:31:06 -0500
> From: Jon Phillips 
> Subject: Re: [CREATE] Access to LGM website
> To: Gregory Pittman 
> Cc: create@lists.freedesktop.org
> Message-ID: <1300609866.4094.11.camel@slobook>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> On Sat, 2011-03-19 at 13:37 -0400, Gregory Pittman wrote:
> > On 03/19/2011 10:19 AM, j...@rejon.org wrote:
> > > Have youbguya donated or blogged about the upcoming Conference?
> >
> > One of the things I think we should address formally is the idea of paid
> > advertising on the LGM site. I'm not talking about just any old ads
> > regarding p3nis enlargement or the benefits of acai berries, but some
> > graphics-related ads (example: Adobe). Or even various players in the
> > computing realm, open source or not (Ubuntu, Dell, HP, IBM, RedHat,
> Google).
> >
> > We live currently (subject to change) in a time where it seems to be
> > accepted in some form, at various sites where free information is
> > provided, that some ads will be seen on the sidebars that pay the way
> > for this free information.
>
> Sure, I'm game for targeted ads if they are relevant, but not for
> generic unrelated google text ads. There is still some void in finding
> targeted ads for projects like ours, which essentially is matching
> compatible companies who can benefit from our community and vice-versa.
> I know some people working on this, but its not there yet...
>
> >
> > Have we extended a special invitation for those involved in Google
> > Summer of Code to come see what LGM is all about, so we can generate
> > some esteem on their part for our various projects? It doesn't matter if
> > this year's GSoC is already decided by the time LGM2011 happens.
>
> I asked Google, and Google is giving us 5K so far, but yes, I will
> followup in the thread about GSoC participating. I've become friends
> with the new GSoC manager, Carol.
>
> > Have we rolled out the red carpet (so to speak) for HP, with its heavy
> > investment and involvement in graphics printing, to be an honored guest
> > at LGM? (With the tacit backup of contacting Canon or Epson or Brother
> > or Lexmark -- ok, we'll be happy with money, but we want you to come too)
>
> I emailed Keith Packard at Intel and BDale at HP, hoping their companies
> will sponsor, but yes, hope that we can get more support and
> participation from people from those companies. We've never had a good
> time getting the other printing companies on-board. They redirect to
> lame sales people.
>
> > Have we talked to any of these people about linking to LGM from their
> > sites? (we're really not threatening to them in any way -- we're pretty
> > benign compared to their real competitors)
>
> That's an interesting idea. Google is the most healthy in this aspect,
> but unless there is a deeper committment, most companies have a hard
> time promoting others.
>
> >
> > Let's make LGM2011 viral.
>
> Other ideas? Keep them flowing! The most potent viral campaigns are
> original content, and not gimmicks. Things like LGMag, etc are great,
> but videos of me and eric hahahahhahaa ;) just kidding...
>
> Jon
>
>
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Re: [CREATE] LGM11 panel proposal: attracting new devs

[Susan Spencer]

As someone who has recently delved into
creating and coding a FOSS project,
I'd love to hear what any of you
have to say on the subject, lengthy or no.

- Susan

Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 17:27:09 +0100
> From: "a.l.e" 
> Subject: Re: [CREATE] LGM11 panel proposal: attracting new devs
> To: create@lists.freedesktop.org
> Message-ID: <4d5e9ddd.8020...@xox.ch>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> On 2/18/11 3:56 PM, Louis Desjardins wrote:
> > 2011/2/18 a.l.e
> >
> >> hi jon,
> >>
> >>
> >>   after having read
>  http://libregraphicsworld.org/articles.php?article_id=28
> 
>  and
> 
> 
> http://www.chromecode.com/2011/02/why-gimp-28-is-not-released-yet.html
> 
>  i wonder if at the next LGM we should not propose a pannel / workshop
>  where
>  we can discuss / present strategies for attracting new developers in
> the
>  libre graphics.
> 
>  what do you think about it?
> 
> >>> Good initiative. However, I think that "attracting new devs" is a bit
> >>> to narrow an approach. A project can have new people stop by every
> >>> week and still not be productive. I'm thinking something along the
> >>> lines of "How to keep and make productive libre graphics projects?".
> >>> Having a steady inflow of new developers is part of that, but just a
> >>> means to an end in my book.
> >>>
> >> yep, "getting new developers involved" may be a better title...
> >>
> >> just to be clear: it's not mostly about a marketing strategy, but rather
> >> about structures and processes that can help new developers getting
> >> involved.
> >>
> >> one point is indeed getting (potential) developers to feel attracted by
> our
> >> projects (attracting them...) but, i agree with jon that the harder part
> is
> >> about getting their contribution in the projects!
> >>
> > +1
> >
> > I think it is a great idea. I am not sure if a panel serves the idea
> better
> > than a talk or a workshop but the idea is great ! It's a topic for LGM. A
> > lot of people don't even thing they could be of great help to projects.
> > Coding is one, but features have to be carefully sketched before we
> actually
> > code. Unless the coders know the field perfectly (and even if they do),
> they
> > need the input from the users.
>
> i guess this needs a formal proposal before we can discuss about details...
>
> just one think: what i have in mind won't fit in a talk...
>
> ciao
> a.l.e
>
>
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As someone who has recently delved into
coding, I'd love to hear what any of you
have to say on the subject, lengthy or no.

- Susan

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> On 2/18/11 3:56 PM, Louis Desjardins wrote:
> > 2011/2/18 a.l.e
> >
> >> hi jon,
> >>
> >>
> >>   after having read
>  http://libregraphicsworld.org/articles.php?article_id=28
> 
>  and
> 
> 
> http://www.chromecode.com/2011/02/why-gimp-28-is-not-released-yet.html
> 
>  i wonder if at the next LGM we should not propose a pannel / workshop
>  where
>  we can discuss / present strategies for attracting new developers in
> the
>  libre graphics.
> 
>  what do you think about it?
> 
> >>> Good initiative. However, I think that "attracting new devs" is a bit
> >>> to narrow an approach. A project can have new people stop by every
> >>> week and still not be productive. I'm thinking something along the
> >>> lines of "How to keep and make productive libre graphics projects?".
> >>> Having a steady inflow of new developers is part of that, but just a
> >>> means to an end in my book.
> >>>
> >> yep, "getting new developers involved" may be a better title...
> >>
> >> just to be clear: it's not mostly about a marketing strategy, but rather
> >> about structures and processes that can help new developers getting
> >> involved.
> >>
> >> one point is indeed getting (potential) developers to feel attracted by
> our
> >> projects (attracting them...) but, i agree with jon that the harder part
> is
> >> about getting their contribution in the projects!
> >>
> > +1
> >
> > I think it is a great idea. I am not sure if a panel serves the idea
> better
> > than a talk or a workshop but the idea is great ! It's a topic for LGM. A
> > lot of people don't even thing they could be of great help to projects.
> > Coding is one, but features have to be carefully sketched before we
> actually
> > code. Unless the coders know the field perfectly (and even if they do),
> they
> > need the input from the users.
>
> i guess this needs a formal proposal before we can discuss about details...
>
> just one think: what i have in mind won't fit in a talk...
>
> ciao
> a.l.e
>
>
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Re: [CREATE] "Reclaim your tools". A film by Jakub Szypulka

[Susan Spencer]

Jakub - Nice flick! I would love to attend a session about your work process
if you're presenting at LGM 2011.

Jon, Femke, et.al. - I mentioned LGM 2011 in this informal interview, hope
it helps to generate interest.
http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/News/Tau-Meta-Tau-Physica-Bringing-Open-Source-to-Fashion?category=13430

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[CREATE] Pro bono ads in Libre Graphics Magazine

[Susan Spencer]

Question about what is probably obvious to everyone else:

By 'pro bono', does this mean that the remaining
eight full-page advertisements are available
for free, no fee, no remuneration to the magazine?

This 'free' concept continues to confound my brain,
which is *never* available for free, and frequently
goes out of its way to oppose my personal
needs, goals, and professional reputation.
It apparently is currently on strike until it
receives more caffeine and glucose.

Thanks for your considered and hopefully polite response,

- Susan

Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 09:38:19 -0400
> From: ginger coons 
> Subject: [CREATE] Pro bono ads in Libre Graphics Magazine



> ...we've reserved  nine full pages for pro bono ads.
>


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Re: [CREATE] LGM 2010 travel reimbursements

[Susan Spencer]

Just curious, but how do you confirm that everyone has entered their data?
Has this milestone been completed?
What is the next step in the timeline?

I do not need to be reimbursed, as we used skymiles for my ticket, and my
husband's hotel, per diem, and plane ticket were paid for.
His employer enthusiastically supported his attendance at LGM.

Not everyone at LGM 2010 was as fortunate, and I hope that the delay
in reimbursal does not affect the 2010 persenters' decisions to attend LGM
2011.

As I do not require reimbursement, perhaps this is considered to be
'butting in'.  But I do care that we have the quality of persons in
attendance
as last May.  LGM 2010 was an influential event in my creative life, and
hopefully
2011 will be equally as influential to others.

Bureaucratic paperwork is no fun, and sometimes money disbursements
are the most difficult of all processes to complete. I'm sure those who
are waiting are concerned, but if you make reimbursements now, these
participants perhaps would this money to make early, and therefore cost
effective,
arrangements to attend the meeting in Montreal.

Just my opinion, we trust that the LGM team is doing its best,

- Susan

> we can only process the  payment
> > once everyone has entered their data.
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Re: [CREATE] Libre Graphics Magazine Pledgie campaign

[Susan Spencer]

Can I be n = 1 for the individual one-year subscription?

- Susan

> Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 19:19:54 -0400
> > From: Louis Desjardins 
> > Subject: Re: [CREATE] Libre Graphics Magazine Pledgie campaign
>


> > So, offer paid subscription that include
> > a) Individual one-year 4 issues : 50 $
> > b) Support one-year 4 issues : 150 $ or more
> > c) Institutions, libraries : 75 $
> > d) more options ?
> > We aim at a paid subcribers campaign of n people (150? 250? 500? more?)
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[CREATE] Open source ideas associated with profits for industries.

[Susan Spencer]

Just FYI...
This TED talk is from May, 2010.
Open source ideas are on the radar for big business.
It's interesting that open source is being discussed as a business approach
which greatly enhances the bottom line at a conference which cost around
$2200 to attend.

*Johanna Blakley: Lessons from fashion's free culture*
"Copyright law's grip on film, music and software barely touches the fashion
industry ... and fashion benefits in both innovation and sales, says Johanna
Blakley. At TEDxUSC 2010, she talks about what all creative industries can
learn from fashion's free culture."
http://www.ted.com/talks/johanna_blakley_lessons_from_fashion_s_free_culture.html

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[CREATE] Processing.js

[Susan Spencer]

Anna Sobiepanek would be a good person to contact regarding processing.js

She's adding support for SVG.

Her blog is "Anna on
Computing"
twitter - @annasob

She was helpful to me in finding SVG tutorials.

- Susan

From: ricardo lafuente 
>
   ...

> So this is a very good opportunity to try and tie those ends together,
> making bridges to bring Processing closer to the Libre Graphics
> community, as well as the other way around -- i've met quite a lot of
> Libre Graphics people who sadly had never heard of it.
>
> I believe it's worth making an approach to the Processing team to see if
> they would be present at the LGM; it's IMO one of the next logical steps
> to strengthen the Libre Graphics community.
>
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Re: [CREATE] Open Source Fashion Software Update

[Susan Spencer]

Thank you Alexandre for the news story on inkscape.org

And Jon, a fashion show next LGM would be both excellent and goofy. 'goofy'=
'geeky' + ridiculous amounts of beer

I'll develop some more men's designs, and and then jump ahead to create the
website for user login, measurement input and storage, and listing of
patterns  for custom svg or pdf download with instructions.  At some point
I'll be able to handle special requests for patterns.  And be available to
answer any questions about construction.

Eventually I'll have to develop the extensions, icons, toolbar, help files,
and interface so that designs can be developed by other users, and they can
post their designs on the website, too.  It's the design that requires the
'old ways' and is not so well known.

But anyone is welcome to download the current files.  If they can read my
clunky code, they can change the extensions to draw what they want.

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[CREATE] Open Source Fashion Software Update

[Susan Spencer]

I would like to say thank you to the open source graphics community.

I received much support, direction and advice to get this project started at
this year's LGM.
Since then, I've begun to learn Python, Inkscape, and implement SVG specs.
I would not have attempted this if I hadn't been at LGM.

Update:
1. The basic women's bodice pattern blocks have been written. Pics posted
at: http://www.sew-brilliant.org/2010/08/20/front-bodice-block-done/
The Inkscape extension files are available from a link on this page.
Feedback welcome.

2. The initial proof-of-concept that it can properly resize patterns to an
individual's measurements is a men's jacket from mid 19th century. Back
pattern piece is done. That leaves front & sleeve. Hopefully will it be sewn
up and worn at DragonCon by my stepson who asked me to do this.   I will
definitely post pics.

3. New name: TMTP project - (tau meta tau physica)

Further updates will not be posted on this list.
If interested, occasionally check out the blog/wiki at
http://www.sew-brilliant.org
,
and in a few weeks on http://www.tmtp-project.org

Again, thanks to each of you in this extraordinary community.

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Re: [CREATE] [LGF-LGA] Ok, let's start with a website

[Susan Spencer]

>>> This whole thread...what's the addage about painting a bikeshed? It
>>> underscores my point about distractions from accomplishing a
mission.

Ah yes.
Been in many 'bikeshed' discussions.

*Always* kills or perverts the project through statements of
exaggeration, sarcasm, fear, anxiety, pointing people out, ridicule,
personal preferences regarded as more important than project needs, etc.
Makes people sour and destroys relationships.

Since a picture is worth a thousand words,
would it be inappropriate for the person with the vision
to have our blessing to freely develop a stub/demo website
which expresses this vision?
Doesn't have to be extraordinary with great graphics, etc.
Function before form, and the form can be dressed up later.

Any platform, any tool used to develop such a demo
would not be considered a political statement,
but merely an expedient and pragmatic one.

Website name TBD, svg logo TBD, and
final selection of tools and website providers TBD.
These decisions are meaningless without substance,
and therefore can wait.

Is this a good suggestion for moving the forward,
or should we wait until all our fears are quenched?

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Re: [CREATE] CREATE Digest, Vol 60, Issue 48

[Susan Spencer]

Excellent questions.

I found LGM 2010 to be a rewarding and invigorating experience,
especially as someone new to graphics, programming, and the open source
community.
I attended LGM to gather ideas to help me begin a software project.
Holding dialogs and creating working relationships
with persons who may hold the key to difficult problems I will encounter
was a productive and surprisingly pleasant experience.

LGM 2011 will be a follow up meeting for me regarding my project.
I hope that I will gain more understanding of the needs and expectations
of users of graphics software. Watching the presentations about the
programming of the software and newly developed features
will hopefully fire my imagination and shape my goals
just as the LGM 2010 meeting did.

Susan Spencer


Mon, 28 Jun 2010 14:08:48 +0200

> From: "a.l.e" 
> Subject: Re: [CREATE] Decision for LGM 2011 venue ? Action required
>


> i will start two new threads where i ask:
>
> - what YOU expect from the LGM 2011?
>
> - what is the LGM for YOU?
>
> if the answers start flowing in, it's a good sign that they ware indeed
> the right questions to ask.
>
>
> have a nice day
>
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>
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Re: [CREATE] Free as in Speech, and Vietnam?

[Susan Spencer]

My 2k on holding LGM in Vietnam:

LGM embraces and promotes the open source model.
But an open source model of government doesn't exist anywhere on earth.
Compromise will happen no matter our destination.
Let's be who we are anywhere we go.

I'd love to see even a small part of Vietnam.
And there's a lot happening there right now.
We can be a part of what's to come.
Let's go.

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