[Crm-sig] Issue 332: new class and properties for sample splitting

[Athanasios Velios]

Dear all,

During the last SIG I was asked to reformulate some homework around 
splitting samples for CRMsci. This included creating a new class and two 
new properties (one of them from the revised homework). Please find this 
new homework attached here.


All the best,

Thanasis


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[Crm-sig] Issue 332 homework: split sample

[Athanasios Velios]

Dear all,

In the last meeting I was asked to revise the scope note for O27 split 
and provide a more specific example for it. Please consider these:


Old scope note

This property associates an instance of S2 Sample Taking with an 
instance of S13 Sample that was removed during this activity. The 
resulting S13 Sample maintains the characteristic qualities of the the 
instance of S10 Material Substantial that the sample was taken from. 
This property should be used to model cases when a homogenous sample is 
split into multiple ones.



Revised scope note

This property associates an instance of S2 Sample Taking with an 
instance of S13 Sample that was removed during this activity. The 
resulting S13 Sample maintains the characteristic qualities of the 
instance of S10 Material Substantial (i.e. the original sample) that the 
new sample was taken from. This supports reasoning that the new sample 
retains/preserves the characteristic qualities of the original sample. 
Any observations of these qualities made on the new sample also apply to 
the original one. This property should be used to model cases when a 
homogenous sample is split into multiple ones.


New example (with recommended introduction):

In 2000, Godfrey et al. [1] took a sample from a section of the tusk 
fragment GT993 which was originally found in the ship-wreck of Vergulde 
Draeck in Western Australia. This sample was homogenous (ground to fine 
powder). Part of the sample was then removed for elemental analysis 
using inductively coupled plasma atomic emission spectrometry (ICP-AES). 
Another part was removed for carbon/nitrogen analysis using a LECO analyser.


The activity (S2) of removing a part from the sample (S13), which was 
originally taken from the tusk fragment GT993 by Godfrey et al. in 2000, 
*split* the sample to create a new one (S13) for ICP-AES analysis in 
order to reveal the composition of the original sample.


[1]  I.M. Godfrey, E.L. Ghisalberti, E.W. Beng, L.T. Byrne & G.W. 
Richardson (2002) The Analysis of Ivory from a Marine Environment, 
Studies in Conservation, 47:1, 29-45, DOI: 10.1179/sic.2002.47.1.29



All the best,

Thanasis
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[Crm-sig] Issue 332, homework

[Athanasios Velios]

This is to provide an example from conservation of the use of CRMsci 
property Oxx split [D:S2 Sample Taking, R:S13 Sample]:


---
The activity (S2 Sample Taking) of removing fibers from the sample (S13 
Sample) of Japanese Kozo hand-made paper [with dimensions 20cm×3cm], 
which was originally taken from the inside structure of a Japanese 
sliding screen and used for non-destructive spectral imaging, produced 
(Oxx split) the new sample of fibers (S13 Sample) [with sub-milimeter 
dimensions], used for destructive fiber identification.

---

All the best,

Thanasis

[Crm-sig] ISSUE 332, S3 and O4

[Martin Doerr]

Dear All,

Here my rephrasing.
*Current version:*


 S3 Measurement by Sampling

Subclass of: S2 <#_S2_Sample_Taking>Sample Taking

S21 <#_S21_Measurement_%28equivalent>Measurement

Scope note:This class comprises activities of taking a sample and 
measuring or analyzing it as one unit of activity, in which the sample 
is typically not identified and preserved beyond the context of this 
activity. Instances of this class are constrained to describe the taking 
of exactly one sample and the dimensions observed by the respective 
measurement are implicitly understood to describe this particular sample 
as representative of the place on the instance of S10 Material 
Substantial from which the sample was taken. Therefore the class S3 
Measurement by Sampling inherits the properties of S2 Sample Taking. /O3 
sampled from: /S10 Material Substantial and /O4 sampled at: /E53 Place, 
and the properties of S21(E16) Measurement. /P40 observed dimension: 
/E54 Dimension, due to multiple inheritance. It needs not instantiate 
the properties /O5 removed: /S13 <#_S13_Sample> Sample and /O24 
measured/: S15 Observable Entity, if the sample is not documented beyond 
the context of the activity.


*New version:*


 S3 Measurement by Sampling

 Subclass of: S2 <#_S2_Sample_Taking>Sample Taking

S21 <#_S21_Measurement_%28equivalent>Measurement

 Scope note:This class comprises activities of taking a sample and 
measuring or analyzing it as one unit of activity, in which the sample 
is typically not identified and preserved beyond the context of this 
activity. Instances of this class describe the taking of one or more 
samples regardless whether they are explicitly identified in 
documentation or preserved beyond this activity. The dimensions observed 
by the respective measurement of this particular sample are regarded a 
dimensions of the instance of S10 Material Substantial at the place from 
which the samples were taken. Therefore the class S3 Measurement by 
Sampling inherits the properties of S2 Sample Taking. /O3 sampled from: 
/S10 Material Substantial and /O4 sampled at: /E53 Place, and the 
properties of S21(E16) Measurement. /P40 observed dimension: /E54 
Dimension, due to multiple inheritance. It needs not instantiate the 
properties /O5 removed: /S13 <#_S13_Sample> Sample and /O24 measured/: 
S15 Observable Entity, if the sample is not documented beyond the 
context of the activity.


*Further:*

*S2 Sample Taking *should be regarded as subclass of Beginning of 
Existence, and *O5 removed *a subproperty of brought into existence.

**

Current Scope Note of O4:


 O4 sampled at(was sampling location of)

Domain: S2 <#_S2_Sample_Taking> Sample Taking

Range: E53 <#_E53_Place>Place

Quantification:many to many (1,n:0,n)

If more than one place is given they should contain each other.

 Scope note:This property associates an instance of S2 Sample Taking 
with the instance of E53 Place at which this activity sampled. It 
identifies the position on the material substantial from which thesample 
was taken. This maybe known or given in absolute terms or relative to an 
instance of the material substantial from which it was taken. It 
describes the position within the area in which the sampling activity 
occurred; thislatter comprises the space within which operators and 
instruments were contained during the activity.


*New Scope Note*

Domain: S2 <#_S2_Sample_Taking> Sample Taking

Range: E53 <#_E53_Place>Place

Quantification:many to many (1,n:0,n)

 Scope note:This property associates an instance of S2 Sample Taking 
with instances of E53 Place ("spots") at which this activity sampled. It 
identifies the position on the material substantial from which thesample 
was taken. This maybe known or given in absolute terms or relative to an 
instance of the material substantial from which it was taken. If one or 
more samples are taken from more than one spot, their properties must be 
regarded as average of the substantial at those spots or the samples are 
regarded as equivalent. Otherwise, the sample taking activity must 
documented by a separate instance for each spot.


                   The property /P7 took place at/, inherited from E4 
Period, describes the position within the area in which the sampling 
activity occurred; thislatter comprises the space within which operators 
and instruments were contained during the activity, and the sample 
taking spots.



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[Crm-sig] ISSUE 332, S22 Segment of Matter

[Martin Doerr]

Dear All,

Here my rework.

Old scope note:


 S22 Segment of Matter//

Subclass of: S20 <#_S20_Physical_Feature>Physical Feature

Scope Note:This class comprises physical features in a relative 
stability of form within a specific spacetime volume. The spatial extent 
of an instance of S22 Segment of Matter is defined by humans usually 
because the geometric arrangement of physical features or parts of them 
on or within it are of interest. An instance of S22 Segment of Matter 
exists as long as there is no modification of the geometric arrangement 
of its parts. Therefore the temporal boundaries of the defining 
spacetime volume are given by two S18 Alteration events. It comes into 
existence as being an object of discourse through an instance of S4 
Observation or declaration and is restricted to the time span starting 
after the last change caused by an instance of S18 Alteration before the 
observation or declaration and ending with an instance of another S18 
Alteration Event.


The history of a S22 Segment of Matter started with a S17 Physical 
Genesis event that deposited still existing matter within the defined 
spatial extent. The collection of all S18 Alteration events represent 
its history. Some of the events will not leave any physical material 
within the S22 Segment of Matter.


In other words, this is a fiat object (B. Smith sense) that has 
declarative boundaries in 3 dimensions but natural boundaries in time 
(the 4^th dimension).



NEW SCOPE NOTE:


 S22 Segment of Matter//

Subclass of: S20 <#_S20_Physical_Feature>Physical Feature

Scope Note:This class comprises physical features with relative 
stability of form and structure within a declared spatial volume of 
interest. The spatial extend of an instance of S22 Segment of Matter may 
be declared defined by a researcher or observer usually because the 
arrangement and composition of substance is characteristic for the 
surrounding matter or can be interpreted as traces of its genesis and 
subsequent internal and external processes it was exposed to. The 
defining spatial extend is typically declared on a continuous matter by 
means of geometric determination without observable boundaries on all 
sides or any side. It may however be extracted at some point in time 
along the declared boundaries.


An instance of S22 Segment of Matter is regarded to be existing from the 
time on it completely consolidated in a solid form and structure that 
still preserved in a recognizable way at the time of spatial definition. 
Its existence is regarded to end when its respective integrity is 
partially or completely corrupted. Uncorrupted subsections of an 
instance of S22 Segment of Matter may continue to exist as segments of 
matter in their own right beyond the existence of the containing 
instance, and may have consolidated before it.


Typical examples are segments of archaeological or geological layers. 
They are regarded as uncorrupted even if they have undergone conformal 
deformations, such as compressions or shifts, as long as the effects of 
these deformations do not destroy the relevant structures of interest. 
This means that the defining spatial volume may be only geometrically 
valid for an instant of time for which it was declared, and undergo 
before and after deformations. In some cases it may be possible to 
calculate the initial volume at consolidation time, for instance for 
petrified bones compressed in Jurassic layers.


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Re: [Crm-sig] Issue 332

[martin]

On 9/20/2017 4:51 PM, van Leusen, P.M. wrote:

Dear Martin and Franco,

here it is perhaps relevant that we (Tymon de Haas and me, working on 
the fieldwalking extension to CRMarchaeo) have decided that surface 
finds should be regarded as objects contained in a stratigraphical 
unit (typically, the unit 'plough layer'), hence not 'on' the surface 
of that unit.
I cannot think of any truly 2D surface features, what would be an 
example of them? A soil mark feature on an airphoto perhaps? But there 
would be an inferred 3D feature causing that
Yes, agreed. If we regard 2D features, such as the face of a statue, as 
being thin but still extended in 3D, we can define O25 containment 
systematically by included matter.


Martin


Martijn

On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 3:18 PM, martin > wrote:


Dear Franco,

proposals welcome! One way to define it is the overlapping spatial
extent. This comes in conflict with 2D surface features, except if
we regard them not being infinitesimally thin. Another way is to
define it by atoms. This comes again in conflict with 2D features,
except if we regard surface molecules to carry the feature. If we
regard pure form, we come in conflict with liquids in solid
bodies, metabolism products etc. What about the content of a box,
water in the sponge? The box "contains" but it is not part of it.
I'd exclude that sense.

Best,

martin

On 9/20/2017 3:42 PM, Franco Niccolucci wrote:

it looks very useful, but:

“O25 contains (is contained in)
[...] an instance of S10 Material Substantial was or is
contained for some time in [...]”

Of course: 'X is contained in Y' means that X is contained in
Y :-)

Was the scope note proposed by M. de la Palisse?

Apart from that, it’s a great idea.

Franco

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Il giorno 20 set 2017, alle ore 11:38, martin
mailto:mar...@ics.forth.gr>> ha scritto:

Dear All,



I propose the following property for CRMSci:

O25 contains (is contained in)

  Domain:              S10 Material Substantial

Range:                S10 Material Substantial

Superproperty of:E18 Physical Thing. P46 is composed of
(forms part of): E18 Physical Thing

Quantification:    many to many (0,n:0,n)

  Scope note:         This property describes that an
instance of S10 Material Substantial was or is contained
for some time in another instance of S10 Material
Substantial regardless if the identity of the involved
instances is based on the persistence of the form of
material or on material substance changing form.

    In First Order Logic:

                            O25(x,y) ⊃ E18(x)

O25(x,y) ⊃ E18(y)


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Re: [Crm-sig] Issue 332

[martin]

On 9/20/2017 5:43 PM, Robert Sanderson wrote:

Dear Franco, Martin,

To make sure I understand your comment, are you pointing out the direction of the 
predicate is the opposite to the direction implied by the scope note?  The predicate 
is that the subject X contains Y  (X > Y) whereas the scope note expresses the 
relationship as the subject X being contained in Y (X < Y).

If so, then I agree it would be nice to change the text of the scope note to 
have it align with the relationship’s direction :)

Right! but my comment was to substantiate what we mean by "containing".

Best,

Martin


Rob


On 9/20/17, 5:42 AM, "Crm-sig on behalf of Franco Niccolucci" 
 wrote:

 it looks very useful, but:
 
 “O25 contains (is contained in)

 [...] an instance of S10 Material Substantial was or is contained for some 
time in [...]”
 
 Of course: 'X is contained in Y' means that X is contained in Y :-)
 
 Was the scope note proposed by M. de la Palisse?
 
 Apart from that, it’s a great idea.
 
 Franco
 
 Prof. Franco Niccolucci

 Director, VAST-LAB
 PIN - U. of Florence
 Scientific Coordinator
 ARIADNE - PARTHENOS
 
 Piazza Ciardi 25

 59100 Prato, Italy
 
 
 > Il giorno 20 set 2017, alle ore 11:38, martin  ha scritto:

 >
 > Dear All,
 >
 >
 >
 > I propose the following property for CRMSci:
 >
 > O25 contains (is contained in)
 >
 >
 > Domain:  S10 Material Substantial
 >
 > Range:S10 Material Substantial
 >
 > Superproperty of:E18 Physical Thing. P46 is composed of (forms part of): 
E18 Physical Thing
 >
 > Quantification:many to many (0,n:0,n)
 >
 >
 > Scope note: This property describes that an instance of S10 
Material Substantial was or is contained for some time in another instance of S10 
Material Substantial regardless if the identity of the involved instances is based 
on the persistence of the form of material or on material substance changing form.
 >
 >
 >
 > In First Order Logic:
 >
 >O25(x,y) ⊃ E18(x)
 >
 > O25(x,y) ⊃ E18(y)
 >
 >
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Re: [Crm-sig] Issue 332

[Franco Niccolucci]

No, no, as any CRM property it is bi-directional. Changing the direction in the 
scope note would be useful, but would not have any effect on my comment.

I was only making a joke on the tautological scope note, which explains (ahem) 
that the meaning of "O25 contains (is contained)" is exactly “is contained”. 

This is meant to point out that scope notes are definitions and should be 
carefully drafted. In mathematics, you cannot define a triangle just as "a 
triangle", you need to state that it is "a polygon with three edges/vertices".

Reference to M. de la Palisse as possible author of the scope note is 
explained, a bit verbosely, here: 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_de_La_Palice

Franco

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Director, VAST-LAB
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Scientific Coordinator
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Piazza Ciardi 25
59100 Prato, Italy


> Il giorno 20 set 2017, alle ore 16:43, Robert Sanderson 
>  ha scritto:
> 
> Dear Franco, Martin,
> 
> To make sure I understand your comment, are you pointing out the direction of 
> the predicate is the opposite to the direction implied by the scope note?  
> The predicate is that the subject X contains Y  (X > Y) whereas the scope 
> note expresses the relationship as the subject X being contained in Y (X < Y).
> 
> If so, then I agree it would be nice to change the text of the scope note to 
> have it align with the relationship’s direction :) 
> 
> Rob
> 
> 
> On 9/20/17, 5:42 AM, "Crm-sig on behalf of Franco Niccolucci" 
>  wrote:
> 
>it looks very useful, but:
> 
>“O25 contains (is contained in)
>[...] an instance of S10 Material Substantial was or is contained for some 
> time in [...]”
> 
>Of course: 'X is contained in Y' means that X is contained in Y :-)
> 
>Was the scope note proposed by M. de la Palisse? 
> 
>Apart from that, it’s a great idea.
> 
>Franco
> 
>Prof. Franco Niccolucci
>Director, VAST-LAB
>PIN - U. of Florence
>Scientific Coordinator
>ARIADNE - PARTHENOS
> 
>Piazza Ciardi 25
>59100 Prato, Italy
> 
> 
>> Il giorno 20 set 2017, alle ore 11:38, martin  ha 
>> scritto:
>> 
>> Dear All,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I propose the following property for CRMSci:
>> 
>> O25 contains (is contained in)
>> 
>> 
>> Domain:  S10 Material Substantial
>> 
>> Range:S10 Material Substantial
>> 
>> Superproperty of:E18 Physical Thing. P46 is composed of (forms part of): E18 
>> Physical Thing
>> 
>> Quantification:many to many (0,n:0,n)
>> 
>> 
>> Scope note: This property describes that an instance of S10 Material 
>> Substantial was or is contained for some time in another instance of S10 
>> Material Substantial regardless if the identity of the involved instances is 
>> based on the persistence of the form of material or on material substance 
>> changing form.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> In First Order Logic:
>> 
>>   O25(x,y) ⊃ E18(x)
>> 
>> O25(x,y) ⊃ E18(y)
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Crm-sig] Issue 332

[Robert Sanderson]

Dear Franco, Martin,

To make sure I understand your comment, are you pointing out the direction of 
the predicate is the opposite to the direction implied by the scope note?  The 
predicate is that the subject X contains Y  (X > Y) whereas the scope note 
expresses the relationship as the subject X being contained in Y (X < Y).

If so, then I agree it would be nice to change the text of the scope note to 
have it align with the relationship’s direction :) 

Rob


On 9/20/17, 5:42 AM, "Crm-sig on behalf of Franco Niccolucci" 
 wrote:

it looks very useful, but:

“O25 contains (is contained in)
[...] an instance of S10 Material Substantial was or is contained for some 
time in [...]”

Of course: 'X is contained in Y' means that X is contained in Y :-)

Was the scope note proposed by M. de la Palisse? 

Apart from that, it’s a great idea.

Franco

Prof. Franco Niccolucci
Director, VAST-LAB
PIN - U. of Florence
Scientific Coordinator
ARIADNE - PARTHENOS

Piazza Ciardi 25
59100 Prato, Italy


> Il giorno 20 set 2017, alle ore 11:38, martin  ha 
scritto:
> 
> Dear All,
> 
> 
> 
> I propose the following property for CRMSci:
> 
> O25 contains (is contained in)
> 
>  
> Domain:  S10 Material Substantial
> 
> Range:S10 Material Substantial
> 
> Superproperty of:E18 Physical Thing. P46 is composed of (forms part of): 
E18 Physical Thing
> 
> Quantification:many to many (0,n:0,n)
> 
>  
> Scope note: This property describes that an instance of S10 
Material Substantial was or is contained for some time in another instance of 
S10 Material Substantial regardless if the identity of the involved instances 
is based on the persistence of the form of material or on material substance 
changing form.
> 
>  
>  
> In First Order Logic:
> 
>O25(x,y) ⊃ E18(x)
> 
> O25(x,y) ⊃ E18(y)
> 
> 
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> 
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Re: [Crm-sig] Issue 332

[van Leusen, P.M.]

Dear Martin and Franco,

here it is perhaps relevant that we (Tymon de Haas and me, working on the
fieldwalking extension to CRMarchaeo) have decided that surface finds
should be regarded as objects contained in a stratigraphical unit
(typically, the unit 'plough layer'), hence not 'on' the surface of that
unit.
I cannot think of any truly 2D surface features, what would be an example
of them? A soil mark feature on an airphoto perhaps? But there would be an
inferred 3D feature causing that

Martijn

On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 3:18 PM, martin  wrote:

> Dear Franco,
>
> proposals welcome! One way to define it is the overlapping spatial extent.
> This comes in conflict with 2D surface features, except if we regard them
> not being infinitesimally thin. Another way is to define it by atoms. This
> comes again in conflict with 2D features, except if we regard surface
> molecules to carry the feature. If we regard pure form, we come in conflict
> with liquids in solid bodies, metabolism products etc. What about the
> content of a box, water in the sponge? The box "contains" but it is not
> part of it. I'd exclude that sense.
>
> Best,
>
> martin
>
> On 9/20/2017 3:42 PM, Franco Niccolucci wrote:
>
>> it looks very useful, but:
>>
>> “O25 contains (is contained in)
>> [...] an instance of S10 Material Substantial was or is contained for
>> some time in [...]”
>>
>> Of course: 'X is contained in Y' means that X is contained in Y :-)
>>
>> Was the scope note proposed by M. de la Palisse?
>>
>> Apart from that, it’s a great idea.
>>
>> Franco
>>
>> Prof. Franco Niccolucci
>> Director, VAST-LAB
>> PIN - U. of Florence
>> Scientific Coordinator
>> ARIADNE - PARTHENOS
>>
>> Piazza Ciardi 25
>> 59100 Prato, Italy
>>
>>
>> Il giorno 20 set 2017, alle ore 11:38, martin  ha
>>> scritto:
>>>
>>> Dear All,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I propose the following property for CRMSci:
>>>
>>> O25 contains (is contained in)
>>>
>>>   Domain:  S10 Material Substantial
>>>
>>> Range:S10 Material Substantial
>>>
>>> Superproperty of:E18 Physical Thing. P46 is composed of (forms part of):
>>> E18 Physical Thing
>>>
>>> Quantification:many to many (0,n:0,n)
>>>
>>>   Scope note: This property describes that an instance of S10
>>> Material Substantial was or is contained for some time in another instance
>>> of S10 Material Substantial regardless if the identity of the involved
>>> instances is based on the persistence of the form of material or on
>>> material substance changing form.
>>>
>>> In First Order Logic:
>>>
>>> O25(x,y) ⊃ E18(x)
>>>
>>> O25(x,y) ⊃ E18(y)
>>>
>>>
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Re: [Crm-sig] Issue 332

[martin]

Dear Franco,

proposals welcome! One way to define it is the overlapping spatial 
extent. This comes in conflict with 2D surface features, except if we 
regard them not being infinitesimally thin. Another way is to define it 
by atoms. This comes again in conflict with 2D features, except if we 
regard surface molecules to carry the feature. If we regard pure form, 
we come in conflict with liquids in solid bodies, metabolism products 
etc. What about the content of a box, water in the sponge? The box 
"contains" but it is not part of it. I'd exclude that sense.


Best,

martin

On 9/20/2017 3:42 PM, Franco Niccolucci wrote:

it looks very useful, but:

“O25 contains (is contained in)
[...] an instance of S10 Material Substantial was or is contained for some time 
in [...]”

Of course: 'X is contained in Y' means that X is contained in Y :-)

Was the scope note proposed by M. de la Palisse?

Apart from that, it’s a great idea.

Franco

Prof. Franco Niccolucci
Director, VAST-LAB
PIN - U. of Florence
Scientific Coordinator
ARIADNE - PARTHENOS

Piazza Ciardi 25
59100 Prato, Italy



Il giorno 20 set 2017, alle ore 11:38, martin  ha scritto:

Dear All,



I propose the following property for CRMSci:

O25 contains (is contained in)

  
Domain:  S10 Material Substantial


Range:S10 Material Substantial

Superproperty of:E18 Physical Thing. P46 is composed of (forms part of): E18 
Physical Thing

Quantification:many to many (0,n:0,n)

  
Scope note: This property describes that an instance of S10 Material Substantial was or is contained for some time in another instance of S10 Material Substantial regardless if the identity of the involved instances is based on the persistence of the form of material or on material substance changing form.


  
  
In First Order Logic:


O25(x,y) ⊃ E18(x)

O25(x,y) ⊃ E18(y)


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Re: [Crm-sig] Issue 332

[Franco Niccolucci]

it looks very useful, but:

“O25 contains (is contained in)
[...] an instance of S10 Material Substantial was or is contained for some time 
in [...]”

Of course: 'X is contained in Y' means that X is contained in Y :-)

Was the scope note proposed by M. de la Palisse? 

Apart from that, it’s a great idea.

Franco

Prof. Franco Niccolucci
Director, VAST-LAB
PIN - U. of Florence
Scientific Coordinator
ARIADNE - PARTHENOS

Piazza Ciardi 25
59100 Prato, Italy


> Il giorno 20 set 2017, alle ore 11:38, martin  ha 
> scritto:
> 
> Dear All,
> 
> 
> 
> I propose the following property for CRMSci:
> 
> O25 contains (is contained in)
> 
>  
> Domain:  S10 Material Substantial
> 
> Range:S10 Material Substantial
> 
> Superproperty of:E18 Physical Thing. P46 is composed of (forms part of): E18 
> Physical Thing
> 
> Quantification:many to many (0,n:0,n)
> 
>  
> Scope note: This property describes that an instance of S10 Material 
> Substantial was or is contained for some time in another instance of S10 
> Material Substantial regardless if the identity of the involved instances is 
> based on the persistence of the form of material or on material substance 
> changing form.
> 
>  
>  
> In First Order Logic:
> 
>O25(x,y) ⊃ E18(x)
> 
> O25(x,y) ⊃ E18(y)
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> --
>  Dr. Martin Doerr  |  Vox:+30(2810)391625|
>  Research Director |  Fax:+30(2810)391638|
>|  Email: 
> mar...@ics.forth.gr
>  |
>  |
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>Information Systems Laboratory|
> Institute of Computer Science|
>Foundation for Research and Technology - Hellas (FORTH)   |
>  |
>N.Plastira 100, Vassilika Vouton, |
> GR70013 Heraklion,Crete,Greece   |
>  |
>  Web-site: 
> http://www.ics.forth.gr/isl
>|
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[Crm-sig] Issue 332

[martin]

Dear All,


I propose the following property for CRMSci:


 O25 contains (is contained in)

Domain:S10 <#_S10_Material_Substantial>**Material Substantial

Range:S10 <#_S10_Material_Substantial>**Material Substantial

Superproperty of:E18 Physical Thing. P46 is composed of (forms part of): 
E18 Physical Thing


Quantification:many to many (0,n:0,n)

Scope note:This property describes that an instance of S10 Material 
Substantial was or is contained for some time in another instance of S10 
Material Substantial regardless if the identity of the involved 
instances is based on the persistence of the form of material or on 
material substance changing form.


In First Order Logic:

O25(x,y) ⊃ E18(x)

O25(x,y) ⊃E18(y)

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   |  Email: mar...@ics.forth.gr |
 |
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   Information Systems Laboratory|
Institute of Computer Science|
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 |
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