Re: [cryptography] Paris Attacks Blamed on Strong Cryptography and Edward Snowden

2015-11-17 Thread John Young 
Wheedling about crypto and Snowden diverts from 
CIA Director's full speech and broader critique. CIA version omits Q


http://csis.org/files/attachments/151116_GSF_OpeningSession.pdf

To be sure, commentators must promote their 
products to flatter their consumers as do spies, officials and

armaments (crypto) producers.

Officials buy the armaments to gain votes and 
post-service directorships, word artists blow wind to fan the flames.


"This Is War!" Perfect for all consumers except 
the slaughtered, a few of which get ritual 
mourning (most ignored, unreported, unsacrelized, unheroricized, unencrypted).


Hard to tell the difference between opportunistic 
warmongerers or anti-warmongerers, so ying and yang in complicity.


At 10:03 AM 11/17/2015, you wrote:

1. 
https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2015/11/paris_attacks_b.html
2. 
https://theintercept.com/2015/11/15/exploiting-emotions-about-paris-to-blame-snowden-distract-from-actual-culprits-who-empowered-isis/


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Re: [cryptography] Paris Attacks Blamed on Strong Cryptography and Edward Snowden

2015-11-17 Thread Justin F 
>"This Is War!" Perfect for all consumers except the slaughtered, a few of 
>which get ritual mourning (most ignored, unreported,
> unsacrelized, unheroricized, unencrypted)."

It's actually amazing, if you have a story and documentation and its a
bombshell to a point that it makes you question the accuracy due to
your own belief structure (id est FOIA responses are required to be
truthful, courts are always impartial, etc); the biggest problem is
actually finding someone whom is willing to look up from their smart
phone long enough to listen to a non-trivial story.

What an incredibly indifferent society we've become.


On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 11:06 AM, John Young  wrote:
> Wheedling about crypto and Snowden diverts from CIA Director's full speech
> and broader critique. CIA version omits Q
>
> http://csis.org/files/attachments/151116_GSF_OpeningSession.pdf
>
> To be sure, commentators must promote their products to flatter their
> consumers as do spies, officials and
> armaments (crypto) producers.
>
> Officials buy the armaments to gain votes and post-service directorships,
> word artists blow wind to fan the flames.
>
> "This Is War!" Perfect for all consumers except the slaughtered, a few of
> which get ritual mourning (most ignored, unreported, unsacrelized,
> unheroricized, unencrypted).
>
> Hard to tell the difference between opportunistic warmongerers or
> anti-warmongerers, so ying and yang in complicity.
>
> At 10:03 AM 11/17/2015, you wrote:
>
> 1. https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2015/11/paris_attacks_b.html
> 2.
> https://theintercept.com/2015/11/15/exploiting-emotions-about-paris-to-blame-snowden-distract-from-actual-culprits-who-empowered-isis/
>
> < lives, fierce blame for the carnage is being directed toward American
> whistleblower Edward Snowden and the spread of strong encryption catalyzed
> by his actions. Now the Paris attacks are being used an excuse to demand
> back doors>>
>
>
> < convince people of such a blatant, easily disproven falsehood: namely, that
> Terrorists learned to hide their communications from Snowden’s
> revelations? They do it because of how many benefits there are from
> swindling people to believe this. To begin with, U.S officials are eager
> here to demonize far more than just Snowden
> They want to demonize encryption generally as well as any companies that
> offer it. Indeed, as these media accounts show, they’ve been trying for
> two decades to equate the use of encryption — anything that keeps them out
> of people’s private onlinee communications — with aiding and abetting The
> Terrorists>>
>
> < why ISIS was able to spring up seemingly out of nowhere and be so powerful,
> able to blow up a Russian passenger plane, a market in Beirut, and the
> streets of Paris in a single week. That’s the one question Western
> officials are most desperate not to be asked, so directing people’s ire to
> Edward Snowden and strong encryption is beneficial in the extreme>>
>
>
> < powerful. There are many causes, but a leading one is the role played by the
> U.S. and its “allies in the region†(i.e., Gulf tyrannies) in arming
> them>>
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Re: [cryptography] Paris Attacks Blamed on Strong Cryptography and Edward Snowden

2015-11-17 Thread Givon Zirkind 
imho, the crypto involved is not the issue.  not having boots on the 
ground, good intel, good spies who can walk and talk like the enemy, is 
the real issue.  there was no crypto in the false i.d. papers used to 
gain entry.  there is no crypto in exploiting the humanitarian aid being 
given to syrian refugees.  these people operate in unconnected cells.  
how much communication can there be; once an idea is hatched; a plan 
formed and; put into motion--from a few secret meetings.  esp. since 
they know enough to have to maintain radio silence.


On 11/17/2015 12:38 PM, Justin F wrote:

"This Is War!" Perfect for all consumers except the slaughtered, a few of which 
get ritual mourning (most ignored, unreported,
unsacrelized, unheroricized, unencrypted)."

It's actually amazing, if you have a story and documentation and its a
bombshell to a point that it makes you question the accuracy due to
your own belief structure (id est FOIA responses are required to be
truthful, courts are always impartial, etc); the biggest problem is
actually finding someone whom is willing to look up from their smart
phone long enough to listen to a non-trivial story.

What an incredibly indifferent society we've become.


On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 11:06 AM, John Young  wrote:

Wheedling about crypto and Snowden diverts from CIA Director's full speech
and broader critique. CIA version omits Q

http://csis.org/files/attachments/151116_GSF_OpeningSession.pdf

To be sure, commentators must promote their products to flatter their
consumers as do spies, officials and
armaments (crypto) producers.

Officials buy the armaments to gain votes and post-service directorships,
word artists blow wind to fan the flames.

"This Is War!" Perfect for all consumers except the slaughtered, a few of
which get ritual mourning (most ignored, unreported, unsacrelized,
unheroricized, unencrypted).

Hard to tell the difference between opportunistic warmongerers or
anti-warmongerers, so ying and yang in complicity.

At 10:03 AM 11/17/2015, you wrote:

1. https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2015/11/paris_attacks_b.html
2.
https://theintercept.com/2015/11/15/exploiting-emotions-about-paris-to-blame-snowden-distract-from-actual-culprits-who-empowered-isis/

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Re: [cryptography] Paris Attacks Blamed on Strong Cryptography and Edward Snowden

2015-11-17 Thread grarpamp 
On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 11:06 AM, John Young  wrote:
> Wheedling about crypto and Snowden diverts from CIA Director's full speech
> and broader critique. CIA version omits Q
>
> http://csis.org/files/attachments/151116_GSF_OpeningSession.pdf

> https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2015/11/paris_attacks_b.html
> https://theintercept.com/2015/11/15/exploiting-emotions-about-paris-to-blame-snowden-distract-from-actual-culprits-who-empowered-isis/
>
> fierce blame for the carnage is being directed toward American
> whistleblower Edward Snowden and the spread of strong encryption catalyzed
> by his actions. Now the Paris attacks are being used an excuse to demand
> back doors

http://www.wired.com/2015/11/paris-attacks-cia-director-john-brennan-what-he-gets-wrong-about-encryption-backdoors/
DNI et al... looking and waiting for "the perfect example"... cue the
911 conspiracies...

http://techcrunch.com/2015/11/17/the-blame-game/
So let’s not be taken in by false flags flown by anonymous officials
trying to mask bad political decision-making. And let’s redouble our
efforts to fight bad policy which seeks to entrench a failed ideology
of mass surveillance — instead of focusing intelligence resources
where they are really needed

http://www.wired.com/2015/11/after-paris-encryption-will-be-a-key-issue-in-the-2016-race/

http://www.theverge.com/2015/11/16/9742182/uk-surveillance-paris-attacks
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3319037/We-spies-powers-need-says-LORD-CARLILE.html
"We MUST now give our spies the powers they need", says LORD CARLILE.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enabling_Act_of_1933
The Enabling Act, when used ruthlessly and with authority, virtually
assured that Government could thereafter constitutionally exercise
dictatorial power without legal objection.
They offered the possibility of friendly co-operation, promising not
to threaten the Lawmakers, the President, the States or the Churches
if granted the emergency powers.

http://www.ibtimes.com/paris-terror-attack-intelligence-failure-not-snowdens-fault-break-down-communication-2185255
Intelligence Failure Is Not Snowden’s Fault But A Break Down Of
Communication and Cooperation

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/17/world/europe/encrypted-messaging-apps-face-new-scrutiny-over-possible-role-in-paris-attacks.html
Encrypted Messaging Apps Face New Scrutiny Over Possible Role in Paris Attacks
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Re: [cryptography] Paris Attacks Blamed on Strong Cryptography and Edward Snowden

2015-11-17 Thread grarpamp 
On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 1:39 PM, Givon Zirkind  wrote:
> imho, the crypto involved is not the issue.  not having boots on the ground,
> good intel, good spies who can walk and talk like the enemy, is the real
> issue.

Exactly. Governments have had at least 15 years to strap those boots,
and certainly have some good ones. These days it's probably just
as interesting as USA vs. USSR in that regard... plots, schemes,
double and triple agents... the spy game.

It's interesting what other perhaps complementary and/or parallel
forms of intel and boots have sprung up. Though best examples
are surely not seen, wrapped in closeness to government agencies
or other allegiences, and these links cover only one small theatre
among the list of things any agents, actors and mafioso have always
had an interest in... yet one can begin to get the idea... just how
deep does this sort of online game go...

https://twitter.com/TorReaper/status/66126621373218
http://www.ghostsec.org/
http://pastebin.com/search?q=isdratetp4donyfy
https://cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2015-November/010940.html

> there was no crypto in the false i.d. papers used to gain entry.
> there is no crypto in exploiting the humanitarian aid being given to syrian
> refugees.  these people operate in unconnected cells.  how much
> communication can there be; once an idea is hatched; a plan formed and; put
> into motion--from a few secret meetings.  esp. since they know enough to
> have to maintain radio silence.

Like volunteering for missionary, cash and a blessing at sendoff
is still a very hard problem to crack. Unless you become confidant
of both Padre and Church itself, or simply become them...

Regardless, if any of this affects your area you should definitely
have your talking points and counter solutions lined up, because
the exposure and fields of play are growing and it's not going away.
Welcome to the connected world.
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