imho, the crypto involved is not the issue. not having boots on the ground, good intel, good spies who can walk and talk like the enemy, is the real issue. there was no crypto in the false i.d. papers used to gain entry. there is no crypto in exploiting the humanitarian aid being given to syrian refugees. these people operate in unconnected cells. how much communication can there be; once an idea is hatched; a plan formed and; put into motion--from a few secret meetings. esp. since they know enough to have to maintain radio silence.

On 11/17/2015 12:38 PM, Justin F wrote:
"This Is War!" Perfect for all consumers except the slaughtered, a few of which 
get ritual mourning (most ignored, unreported,
unsacrelized, unheroricized, unencrypted)."
It's actually amazing, if you have a story and documentation and its a
bombshell to a point that it makes you question the accuracy due to
your own belief structure (id est FOIA responses are required to be
truthful, courts are always impartial, etc); the biggest problem is
actually finding someone whom is willing to look up from their smart
phone long enough to listen to a non-trivial story.

What an incredibly indifferent society we've become.


On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 11:06 AM, John Young <j...@pipeline.com> wrote:
Wheedling about crypto and Snowden diverts from CIA Director's full speech
and broader critique. CIA version omits Q&A.

http://csis.org/files/attachments/151116_GSF_OpeningSession.pdf

To be sure, commentators must promote their products to flatter their
consumers as do spies, officials and
armaments (crypto) producers.

Officials buy the armaments to gain votes and post-service directorships,
word artists blow wind to fan the flames.

"This Is War!" Perfect for all consumers except the slaughtered, a few of
which get ritual mourning (most ignored, unreported, unsacrelized,
unheroricized, unencrypted).

Hard to tell the difference between opportunistic warmongerers or
anti-warmongerers, so ying and yang in complicity.

At 10:03 AM 11/17/2015, you wrote:

1. https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2015/11/paris_attacks_b.html
2.
https://theintercept.com/2015/11/15/exploiting-emotions-about-paris-to-blame-snowden-distract-from-actual-culprits-who-empowered-isis/

<<As Paris reels from terrorist attacks that have claimed at least 128
lives, fierce blame for the carnage is being directed toward American
whistleblower Edward Snowden and the spread of strong encryption catalyzed
by his actions. Now the Paris attacks are being used an excuse to demand
back doors>>


<<how can “officials†and their media stenographers persist in trying to
convince people of such a blatant, easily disproven falsehood: namely, that
Terrorists learned to hide their communications from Snowden’s
revelations? They do it because of how many benefits there are from
swindling people to believe this. To begin with, U.S officials are eager
here to demonize far more than just Snowden
They want to demonize encryption generally as well as any companies that
offer it. Indeed, as these media accounts show, they’ve been trying for
two decades to equate the use of encryption — anything that keeps them out
of people’s private onlinee communications — with aiding and abetting The
Terrorists>>

<<Above all, there’s the desperation to prevent people from asking how and
why ISIS was able to spring up seemingly out of nowhere and be so powerful,
able to blow up a Russian passenger plane, a market in Beirut, and the
streets of Paris in a single week. That’s the one question Western
officials are most desperate not to be asked, so directing people’s ire to
Edward Snowden and strong encryption is beneficial in the extreme>>


<<There’s the related question of how ISIS has become so well-armed and
powerful. There are many causes, but a leading one is the role played by the
U.S. and its “allies in the region†(i.e., Gulf tyrannies) in arming
them>>


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