Re: [css-d] auto width td's

2005-05-14 Thread Justin Patrin
On 5/13/05, Scott Haneda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have tabular data:
> 
> 
> foo
> foo
> 
> 
> 
> The tr... /tr parts repeat a few times, but anyway, I want them to just snug
> up against the type in them, which I can not seem to make happen, whereas a
> normal html table will see to do this just fine.
> 

How is this not a normal table?

Check out cell-spacing (I think this is correct) and try changing the
margin / padding on the TDs.

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Re: [css-d] hover makes previous list mysteriously dissapear in IE 6.0

2005-05-14 Thread Ingo Chao
ephi schrieb:
... http://ephi.f2o.org/sementara/white.html ...
In order to understand what was happening, I changed the background color to 
black. And voila,
there's an extra top spaces (perhaps padding) that I don't know how it got 
there.
Can any of you help me? Just some explanations or pointing me where I'm wrong 
will do.
I don't know what is going on, sorry.
But adding a line-height:
dl a { display: block; text-decoration: none; color: gray; font-size: 
17px; line-height:1.25em;}

seems to be a workaround.
Ingo
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Re: [css-d] hover makes previous list mysteriously dissapear in IE 6.0

2005-05-14 Thread Roman Rudenko
On Fri, 13 May 2005 22:27:23 -0700, ephi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I'm using the "Pure CSS PopUp" technique, and end up with strange things  
happens when I hover over
the menu, the upper menu dissapears.

(see here: http://ephi.f2o.org/sementara/white.html)
In order to understand what was happening, I changed the background  
color to black. And voila,
there's an extra top spaces (perhaps padding) that I don't know how it  
got there.

(see here: http://ephi.f2o.org/sementara/white.html)
Firefox 1.0.4 is fine with this, but my audience will largely based with  
IE. I saw this problem in
IE 6.0.2800

Can any of you help me? Just some explanations or pointing me where I'm  
wrong will do.
Your code has invalid nesting order. DL can only contain DD and DT.
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://ephi.f2o.org/sementara/white.html
However, if you still want your quick fix, replace that #fff with  
transparent:
dl a:hover { background: transparent;}

Roman.
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Re: [css-d] IE6 in standards compliant mode + iframes = extra 2 pixel 'padding'

2005-05-14 Thread Ingo Chao
Adrian Yee schrieb:
... I've been updating my wysiwyg editor to use standards compliant html. 
One of the things I've run into is that IE6 in standards compliant mode
is adding a 2 pixel 'padding' on the right and bottom between the CSS
border of the iframe and the contents of the iframe.  ...
http://devrandom.com/test/iframes/editor.html 
uh, nested iframes, contenteditable=true, IE6, script pop-ups, hmm, did 
you say you cannot omit that? ;)
I just don't fully understand this construction, so the following is 
widely hypothetical.

... the space is between the
CSS border and the iframe contents itself 
Funny is the white gap you encountered is related to the border-width:
#editor_iframe { border: 1px solid black; ... shows a 2px gap
#editor_iframe { border: 5px solid black; ... shows a 10px gap
#editor_iframe { border-right: 3px solid black; ... shows a 3px gap;
So, I think that the iframe is expanded by it's own bounding-box-width 
(?!) due to the fact that

#editor_iframe { ... overflow:scroll} shows
- 2 scrollbars
- gaps at the /outer/ side of the scrollbars
So, yes, the gap occurs /between/ the border of the element and its own 
scrollbars, as you noted. (I suggest naming it "iframe bootstrap gap" 
and classify it near the "Three Pixel Text Jog").

Has anyone seen anything like
this problem before?  Thanks.
Never.
There seems to be a fix:
#editor_iframe { border: 1px solid black; width: 300px; height: 300px; 
overflow:hidden; }

baffled,
Ingo
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Re: [css-d] hover makes previous list mysteriously dissapear in IE 6.0

2005-05-14 Thread Uwe Kaiser
ephi schrieb:
In order to understand what was happening, I changed the background color to 
black. And voila,
there's an extra top spaces (perhaps padding) that I don't know how it got 
there.
This should help:
dl a:hover { background: transparent;} <<<== change here
/* Without background here,
"dl a:hover dt {background: value;}" will not funktion at all. */
dl a:hover dt {background: #FFF; } <<<== add this
regards,
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Re: [css-d] Head Scratchers

2005-05-14 Thread Ingo Chao
Frank McClung schrieb:
I'm new to CSS, so please forgive these very simple questions. 
It's not as simple as mentioned.
> 2.	#nextstep and #ebay are correct in Firefox, but the #submast
> background image is still covered up.
Correct the 'ddd' typos: "paddding: 0px;" in your stylesheet. You should 
validate your files.

1.	Having problems in IE getting the boxes on the right to line up in
the right column (#nextstep and #ebay) to line up and #submast to show up. 
a) The right margin of the right-float is doubled.
http://positioniseverything.net/explorer/doubled-margin.html
Fix:
#nextstep { ... display:inline; }
#ebay {  ... display:inline;}
b)That's a dilemma in IE6:
  
...
 ...  
  
- #submast must have a appropriate dimension for its background-image.
- but with this dimension, it will contain the floating childs, and will 
be expanded by their heights. (Apply a background:red; to see what I 
mean.) In consequence, the following container is pushed down by the 
height of the floats, no matter what height was applied to #submast.

Fix: rearrange
  ...
   ...  
   
and omit the width:
#submast { border: medium none ; margin: 0px; /*width: 800px;*/ height: 
94px; background:red url(subtopmast.jpg) no-repeat; }

3.	Bottom of the page is cut off in IE. 
3. Not entirely sure what's causing this.
#maincontent determines the height of the page, but you have positioned 
is relatively to its static position. Looks like IE determines the 
viewport height before the offset of its content.
Fix:
use a 'margin-top' instead of 'top'

#maincontent { border: medium none; margin: 0px; 
background-image:url();
/*position: relative;*/ margin-top: 116px;
width: 800px;}

---
Hope that's all what I've changed.
regards, Ingo
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Re: [css-d] hover makes previous list mysteriously dissapear in IE 6.0

2005-05-14 Thread Ingo Chao
Uwe Kaiser schrieb:
This should help:
dl a:hover { background: transparent;} <<<== change here
/* Without background here,
"dl a:hover dt {background: value;}" will not funktion at all. */
dl a:hover dt {background: #FFF; } <<<== add this

or just dl a:hover { background:1%;}
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[css-d] Site check and disappearing dt

2005-05-14 Thread Scott Hamm
Here is my first public site:

http://www.firstbaptistchurchofmilford.org/index.php 

There is no contents in Home Page, but please check other links.  It
looks good in FF, but Pastor's image disappeared in "Meet Our Pastor"
page.  I tried to fix with no avail.  How do I get around to it?


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Re: [css-d] Site check and disappearing dt

2005-05-14 Thread David Laakso
On Sat, 14 May 2005 12:32:10 -0400, Scott Hamm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Here is my first public site:
http://www.firstbaptistchurchofmilford.org/index.php
There is no contents in Home Page, but please check other links.  It
looks good in FF, but Pastor's image disappeared in "Meet Our Pastor"
page.  I tried to fix with no avail.  How do I get around to it?
Almost there Scott but I regret to say the Pastor has met up with the  
"evil one." Correct the spelling of the word "portrait" throughout and  
delete all the empty declarations and some rather interesting things start  
happening throughout. I'm not so sure a definition list is the best  
solution...?
Regards,
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[css-d] Style rule based upon ID and Class?

2005-05-14 Thread Jeff Chastain
Maybe a dumb question, but is it possible and if so, what would it look like
to write a style rule that is based upon the combination of an id and class
value on one tag?  For example, I would like to see the following two tags
styled differently ...
 

 

 
Is this possible, or do I just need to skip the ID and make two different
classes (miniExplorer and fullExplorer)?  I would like to do it as above so
that some shared styles could be done based upon the ID and the differences
between the two divs could be done based upon the class.
 
Thanks
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Re: [css-d] IE6 in standards compliant mode + iframes = extra 2 pixel 'padding'

2005-05-14 Thread Adrian Yee
Hi Ingo,

> uh, nested iframes, contenteditable=true, IE6, script pop-ups, hmm,
did 
> you say you cannot omit that? ;)

hehe, yeah I forgot to mention how those were related to the test. :)

> Funny is the white gap you encountered is related to the
> border-width:

Interesting, never thought of changing the border-width.

> So, I think that the iframe is expanded by it's own bounding-box-width

> (?!) due to the fact that
> 
> #editor_iframe { ... overflow:scroll} shows
> - 2 scrollbars
> - gaps at the /outer/ side of the scrollbars

Though it doesn't make sense why the gap is 14px, and that it only
occurs on the right and not the bottom, when you set overflow: scroll. 
Well, I guess the scrollbar takes 16px and the gap with a 1px border is
2px...  Here's another strange one: with IE5.5, and overflow: scroll,
you get the gap on the right and bottom as well.

> There seems to be a fix:
> 
> #editor_iframe { border: 1px solid black; width: 300px; height: 300px;

> overflow:hidden; }

Ingo, you rock!  Thanks a lot for taking the time to figure this thing
out.  So that means this is some weird IE6, iframe, border-width,
scrollbar in standards compliant mode issue (possibly more).

Adrian
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Re: [css-d] Style rule based upon ID and Class?

2005-05-14 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Jeff Chastain wrote:


... I would like to do it as above so that some shared styles could
be done based upon the ID and the differences between the two divs
could be done based upon the class.
It will work just fine as you have described it.
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Re: [css-d] Style rule based upon ID and Class?

2005-05-14 Thread Steve Clason
On 5/14/2005 3:05 PM Jeff Chastain wrote:
Maybe a dumb question, but is it possible and if so, what would it look like
to write a style rule that is based upon the combination of an id and class
value on one tag?  For example, I would like to see the following two tags
styled differently ...
 

 

 
Is this possible, or do I just need to skip the ID and make two different
classes (miniExplorer and fullExplorer)?  I would like to do it as above so
that some shared styles could be done based upon the ID and the differences
between the two divs could be done based upon the class.
I do it all the time, but I think you have it a little backwards. Since 
you shouldn't repeat ids (really, just don't), you should include the 
common features in classes, then the unique styles in the id.

So:
Mini
Full
and
.explorer{
  border: 1px solid #000;
  background-color: #ccc;
  color: #000
  padding 1ex;
}
then
#mini{
  font-weight: normal;
}
#full{
  font-weight: bold;
Both "Mini" and "Full" will be black text on a gray background 
surrounded by a 1 px solid black border. "Mini" will be normal--"Full" 
will be bold.

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[css-d] EM vs % values for padding/margin and width

2005-05-14 Thread Leo Smith
Hi Folks,
When using EM values for font sizes, it seems optimal to then use EM 
values for any margin-top, padding-top, margin-bottom, or padding-bottom 
values for the content elements (p, ul, ol, etc). This way, when text is 
resized, the vertical distance between content elements increases 
proportionately.

But, what about right and left margins and padding. Is it also optimal 
to use EM values for those as well, so that any horizontal spacing also 
increases proportionately with resized text?

Similarly, would it be better to use EM values for the widths of fluid 
column divs, rather than percentage values?

Thanks!
Leo.
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www.leosweb.com
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RE: [css-d] Space below left nav

2005-05-14 Thread Rutgers
Thanks, your suggestion worked as prescribed!

Ian


-Original Message-
From: Uwe Kaiser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: May 13, 2005 11:19 PM
To: Rutgers
Subject: Re: [css-d] Space below left nav

Hi Rutgers,

The solutuion with background-image will function only,
if the left navigation and the contents (on the right of it)
are having a common parent element.
This common parent element should have the background-image.


Example:

 header 



  left navigation 
  contents 



 footer 


regards,
Uwe Kaiser


Rutgers schrieb:
> Thx, I'll give it a try!
> 
> Ian
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Uwe Kaiser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: May 13, 2005 6:25 PM
> To: Ian & Anna-Ruth Rutgers
> Subject: Re: [css-d] Space below left nav
> 
> Ian & Anna-Ruth Rutgers schrieb:
> 
>>Thank you everyone for your help with my work on this page.  The
> 
> problem
> 
>>with the footer has been resolved.  
>>
>>My remaining issue is with the space below the left navigation.  I
> 
> would
> 
>>love it if someone would point out how to get the grey background of
> 
> the
> 
>>left navigation to continue to the bottom of the page.  This is not an
>>issue in Internet Explorer, but in Firefox and Netscape.
>>
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> This is an issue in MSIE/PC, FF/PC etc.
> Please increase/decrease the font-size -- and you will see.
> 
> 
> I didn't look at your source, but normaly the solution in
> such case consists in using a background-image.
> (eg.width: 2000px, height: 4px,  repeat-y)
> The grey part at left should be as wide as the left nav.
> 
> 
> 
>   width of leftnav in px
> ---
> | color: grey  | transparent
> ---
>  <---  2000px  >
> 
> 
> 
> regards,
> Uwe Kaiser
> 
> 
> 


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Re: [css-d] Style rule based upon ID and Class?

2005-05-14 Thread jack fredricks
as the others have said, but keep this in mind;

the ID selector has higher specificity. This means that if you have
these two conflicting rules;

#explorer {border:1px RED solid;}

and

.explorer {border:1px BLUE solid;}

the border of the div will be RED.
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[css-d] I just do not understand style sheets.

2005-05-14 Thread Arnie Shafer
Can someone explain how a web site , using only one external style sheet, and 
all of the pages using a common template could render different displays.

There should be a 4px border around the Page-title. on most pages it is there 
on at least one it is not there.

Also, on several pages, the page jump up one or two px., on others it is rock 
solid.  This is what I want on all of them.

http://abshafer.com
Style.css
Thanks for your help.: Arnie
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Re: [css-d] I just do not understand style sheets.

2005-05-14 Thread Schalk Neethling
Arnie
I may be misunderstanding your question but, for it is worth, check out 
the CSS ZenGarden[http://www.csszengarden.com/]. Here the same XHTML 
document gets 'skinned' by one external style sheet to achieve a bunch 
of different layout and look and feel results.

Arnie Shafer wrote:
Can someone explain how a web site , using only one external style sheet, and 
all of the pages using a common template could render different displays.
There should be a 4px border around the Page-title. on most pages it is there 
on at least one it is not there.
Also, on several pages, the page jump up one or two px., on others it is rock 
solid.  This is what I want on all of them.
http://abshafer.com
Style.css
Thanks for your help.: Arnie
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Re: [css-d] I just do not understand style sheets.

2005-05-14 Thread jack fredricks
1. have you validated your CSS?
2. have you validated all of your pages (html)?

you really shouldnt have to do this;


  Casper Shafer's Family in America  Home Page
 

as 

Casper Shafer's Family in America  Home Page

will do. Both DIVs and H1s are block level elements.
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[css-d] Underneath Box Problem in IE

2005-05-14 Thread Arthur Dodd
Hey everyone,

I'm using images to round corners of boxes and in IE there is an extra
solid bar between the boxes, using the background color from the contents
of the box. It doesn't happen in Firefox.

Please take a look and let me know if you see any probs I need to change.
I'm stumped here.

The site is:
http://www.thepitfiend.com

Thanks!

Art-
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Re: [css-d] I just do not understand style sheets.

2005-05-14 Thread Roger Roelofs
Arnie,
On May 14, 2005, at 7:54 PM, Arnie Shafer wrote:
Can someone explain how a web site , using only one external style 
sheet, and all of the pages using a common template could render 
different displays.

There should be a 4px border around the Page-title. on most pages it 
is there on at least one it is not there.
On the home page you find 
The other pages are like this 
(notice the space character)
Also, on several pages, the page jump up one or two px., on others it 
is rock solid.  This is what I want on all of them.

http://abshafer.com
I didn't notice the 2px jump.  Which browser displays this?
hth
Roger,
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Re: [css-d] I just do not understand style sheets.

2005-05-14 Thread Arnie Shafer
Thanks Jack,
I had made some recent changes (which were all invalid).
I withdraw my request for help until I get them all fixed.
It will take some time.
Arnie
- Original Message - 
From: "jack fredricks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Arnie Shafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "css-d list" 
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 9:09 PM
Subject: Re: [css-d] I just do not understand style sheets.

1. have you validated your CSS?
2. have you validated all of your pages (html)?
you really shouldnt have to do this;

 Casper Shafer's Family in America  Home Page

as 

Casper Shafer's Family in America  Home Page
will do. Both DIVs and H1s are block level elements.
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Re: [css-d] I just do not understand style sheets.

2005-05-14 Thread Arnie Shafer
Thanks Callum.  I am going blind.   Arnie
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Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 9:24 PM
Subject: Re: [css-d] I just do not understand style sheets.

On the home page (no border showing), this is due to there being an
additional space in your code:

remove the space after title and it should display fine.
Cheers,
Callum
On 5/15/05, Arnie Shafer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Can someone explain how a web site , using only one external style sheet, 
and all of the pages using a common template could render different 
displays.

There should be a 4px border around the Page-title. on most pages it is 
there on at least one it is not there.

Also, on several pages, the page jump up one or two px., on others it is 
rock solid.  This is what I want on all of them.

http://abshafer.com
Style.css
Thanks for your help.: Arnie
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RE: [css-d] Head Scratchers

2005-05-14 Thread Frank McClung
Ingo. Thanks so much for fixing the IE doubled margin issue and moving
#submast up to where it should be. I've felt a bit lost in the sea of CSS
hacks (I'm trying to resist the urge to go back to tables!). CSS-Discuss is
the only thing keeping me from drowning!

Still have 2 issues with this page:

http://www.computerrecycling.us/subpage3.htm

1. In both IE6 and Firefox, the #submast background url
(http://www.computerrecycling.us/images/subtopmast.jpg) is not showing up.
Is this because it is being overwritten by #maincontent's background URL is
overwriting it?

2. Tried the fix you suggested and it threw everything off. But did try this
fix and it does not cut off the text in IE6. No clue why but seems to work

position: static; margin-top: 116px;

- Frank


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Subject: Re: [css-d] Head Scratchers

Frank McClung schrieb:
> I'm new to CSS, so please forgive these very simple questions. 

It's not as simple as mentioned.

 > 2.   #nextstep and #ebay are correct in Firefox, but the #submast
 > background image is still covered up.
Correct the 'ddd' typos: "paddding: 0px;" in your stylesheet. You should 
validate your files.

> 1.Having problems in IE getting the boxes on the right to line up in
> the right column (#nextstep and #ebay) to line up and #submast to show up.

a) The right margin of the right-float is doubled.
http://positioniseverything.net/explorer/doubled-margin.html
Fix:
#nextstep { ... display:inline; }
#ebay {  ... display:inline;}

b)That's a dilemma in IE6:
   
 ...
  ...  
   

- #submast must have a appropriate dimension for its background-image.
- but with this dimension, it will contain the floating childs, and will 
be expanded by their heights. (Apply a background:red; to see what I 
mean.) In consequence, the following container is pushed down by the 
height of the floats, no matter what height was applied to #submast.

Fix: rearrange
   ...
...  
    
and omit the width:
#submast { border: medium none ; margin: 0px; /*width: 800px;*/ height: 
94px; background:red url(subtopmast.jpg) no-repeat; }

> 3.Bottom of the page is cut off in IE. 

3. Not entirely sure what's causing this.

#maincontent determines the height of the page, but you have positioned 
is relatively to its static position. Looks like IE determines the 
viewport height before the offset of its content.
Fix:
use a 'margin-top' instead of 'top'

#maincontent { border: medium none; margin: 0px; 
background-image:url();
/*position: relative;*/ margin-top: 116px;
width: 800px;}

---
Hope that's all what I've changed.

regards, Ingo
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RE: [css-d] Head Scratchers

2005-05-14 Thread Frank McClung

Cancel that last request on why #submast wasn't showing the background
url...bad path.

All is well...for now! Thanks.




-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 7:36 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org
Subject: Re: [css-d] Head Scratchers

Frank McClung schrieb:
> I'm new to CSS, so please forgive these very simple questions. 

It's not as simple as mentioned.

 > 2.   #nextstep and #ebay are correct in Firefox, but the #submast
 > background image is still covered up.
Correct the 'ddd' typos: "paddding: 0px;" in your stylesheet. You should 
validate your files.

> 1.Having problems in IE getting the boxes on the right to line up in
> the right column (#nextstep and #ebay) to line up and #submast to show up.

a) The right margin of the right-float is doubled.
http://positioniseverything.net/explorer/doubled-margin.html
Fix:
#nextstep { ... display:inline; }
#ebay {  ... display:inline;}

b)That's a dilemma in IE6:
   
 ...
  ...  
   

- #submast must have a appropriate dimension for its background-image.
- but with this dimension, it will contain the floating childs, and will 
be expanded by their heights. (Apply a background:red; to see what I 
mean.) In consequence, the following container is pushed down by the 
height of the floats, no matter what height was applied to #submast.

Fix: rearrange
   ...
...  
    
and omit the width:
#submast { border: medium none ; margin: 0px; /*width: 800px;*/ height: 
94px; background:red url(subtopmast.jpg) no-repeat; }

> 3.Bottom of the page is cut off in IE. 

3. Not entirely sure what's causing this.

#maincontent determines the height of the page, but you have positioned 
is relatively to its static position. Looks like IE determines the 
viewport height before the offset of its content.
Fix:
use a 'margin-top' instead of 'top'

#maincontent { border: medium none; margin: 0px; 
background-image:url();
/*position: relative;*/ margin-top: 116px;
width: 800px;}

---
Hope that's all what I've changed.

regards, Ingo
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