Re: [css-d] float and disappearing a. p. box (was: Image replacement broken in IE6/Win)

2005-06-30 Thread Ingo Chao

Simon Douglas schrieb:
The (simplified version of the) web-site is at www.menziesclc.org.uk/ 
test/index.html


The problem seems to be the 'info' div. If you delete that, the image  
appears.


This IE6 problem is not related to the MIR.
at http://www.menziesclc.org.uk/test/index.html, you have this structure

div id=header
 h1 class=fir.../h1 /* a. p. */
 div id=sponsor/div /* float right */
 div id=info.../div /* clear: right */
/div

and the absolute positioned h1 disappears. As mentioned, this is related 
to the div#info.


I think this is the situation like in example 1 in Bruno Fassino's demo
http://www.brunildo.org/test/IE_raf3.html

One solution would be the transformation according to Example 3

div id=header
 div id=sponsor/div /* float right */
 div id=info.../div /* clear: right */
 h1 class=fir.../h1 /* a. p. */
/div

Ingo
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Re: [css-d] problem with margin/padding on DIVs

2005-06-30 Thread Jachin Sheehy
Marty,

First, you have two definitions for hr (one in the inline styles and
the other in sty_theme.css) that were conflicting.

For the purposes of testing, I removed the style from sty_theme.css
and changed the inline to:

hr {
border: none;
border-bottom: 1px solid #007476;
width: 100%;
text-align: left !important;
clear: both;
height: 15px;
}

Seems to do what you are after. A little more tweaking and you'll get there...

Regards,
Jachin Sheehy
Senior Web Developer
InternetFiji

On 6/30/05, Marty Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Please take a look at the following page:
 
 http://dev.lewisgaleclinic.com/index.cfm/fa/service.listPublic.cfm
 
 You will notice that the hr is butted up against the bottom of the
 div class=left.  I have tried adding both a margin-bottom and
 padding-bottom to the div class=left containing the Associations
 and Downloadable Forms but it has not made a difference, the hr
 continues to be too close.  Also, I have tried adding margins and
 padding to the hr but this doesn't seem to help either.
 
 Can someone suggest what the problem might be?
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Re: [css-d] Hidden from Opera 7 only

2005-06-30 Thread Martin Heiden
Uwe,

 Opera 7 needs to see body {overflow: hidden}.

Can you use a media query which at the moment *DANGER* ist only
supported by Opera 7/8, or does Opera 8 behave like the other
browsers?

@media all and (min-width: 0px) { /* This part is only visible to
 Opera 7/8, but this may change
 with future versions of other
 browsers */
body {
 overflow: hidden;
}
}



regards,

  Martin

 

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[css-d] Navigation with lists soacing problem

2005-06-30 Thread stu
Hi,
Can anyone take a look at this page please:
 
http://extranet.dabs.com/stuart/testnav.htm
 
Ignore the rubbish font sizes and what not, I have chopped this section out of 
the bigger picture.
Look at the list and you will see that in IE there are spaces between the 
seperate li, and in firefox, opera, etal. there are not. I have poured over 
this problem for long enough so if anyone can help then id really appreciate 
it. Im certain that its something small and stupid.
 
Thanks for your help in advance...
 
Stu.
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RE: [css-d] nested lists

2005-06-30 Thread BJ
If you want to see the nested lists that I am working with currently go 
to: http://tct2005.com/wp/;


I looked.  I didn't see a single list, nested or otherwise.  Can you 
maybe be more specific on what you're trying to do?



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Re: [css-d] Setting height to 0 does not work on IE6

2005-06-30 Thread Zoe M. Gillenwater

Will Merrell wrote:


Here's the problem: on Firefox the clearer div occupies no vertical space.
No suprise there. But, under IE6, guess what, the clearer div occupies a
full line.
 



Will,

Others have give you some fixes for this.  If you're still curious, you 
can check out this test page I made of a number of different clearers.  
There's no definitive one, but some combinations of rules definitely 
work better than others.


http://www.pixelsurge.com/experiment/clearers.htm

Zoe

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Re: [css-d] Navigation with lists soacing problem

2005-06-30 Thread Zoe M. Gillenwater

stu wrote:


http://extranet.dabs.com/stuart/testnav.htm

Look at the list and you will see that in IE there are spaces between the seperate 
li, and in firefox, opera, etal. there are not.
 



Stu,

The problem comes from the display: block on your a elements.  Adding 
display: inline to their parent li's fixes it.  Another solution is 
described here:

http://www.communitymx.com/content/article.cfm?page=5cid=AC0B9

Zoe

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RE: [css-d] Navigation with lists soacing problem

2005-06-30 Thread stu
zoe wrote:

Stu,

The problem comes from the display: block on your a elements.  Adding
display: inline to their parent li's fixes it.  Another solution is
described here:
http://www.communitymx.com/content/article.cfm?page=5cid=AC0B9

Zoe
 
Zoe, thats great. From all the solutions listed tbis one seems to be the one I 
needed (as in, the most elegant) What I dont understand is that i thought when 
you display an LI inline, its the same as it floating to the left. Thats why I 
didnt try it.
 
Every day is a school day with css.
 
Thanks to everyone else for your suggestions.
 
STU.
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[css-d] Relative Positioning

2005-06-30 Thread Mark Leder
Hi all,
I've really been struggling with this.  Trying to have a large flash menu
layered atop other content on a page.  I've been able to successfully
z-index it so the drop down menus appear over top of other content at a
lower z-index, but I can't get the menu centered left to right in relation
to the clientName ID just above it.  Below is the CSS and HTML affected.
 
/* CSS */
/* Horizontal Menu Layout */
#clientName {font:normal normal bolder 18px Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; 
   color:#99; text-align:center; border:solid 1px #99;
   width: 100%; background-color: #f5f5f5; margin-bottom: 10px; 
   padding:3px 0 1px 0; z-index:1;}
 
#horizMenuLayer {position: relative; text-align: center;}
 
!--- HTML ---
cfoutput
div id=clientName
 div align=center#SESSION.companyInfo.companyNameAlias# span
class=grey-dkHOME COMPONENTS ADMINISTRATION/span/div
 
  div align=center
  div id=horizMenuLayer
   div id=Layer1 style=position:absolute; width:400px; height:220px;
top:3px; z-index:10
!-- saved from url=(0013)about:internet --
object classid=clsid:d27cdb6e-ae6d-11cf-96b8-44455354
codebase=http://fpdownload.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/cabs/flash/swflash.
cab##version=7,0,0,0 width=400 height=220 id=ghostMenu
align=middle
param name=allowScriptAccess value=sameDomain /
param name=movie value=#REQUEST.webroot#/cf-inf/menus/ghostMenu.swf
/
param name=loop value=false /
param name=quality value=high /
param name=wmode value=transparent /
embed src=#REQUEST.webroot#/cf-inf/menus/ghostMenu.swf loop=false
quality=high wmode=transparent width=400 height=220 name=ghostMenu
align=middle allowScriptAccess=sameDomain
type=application/x-shockwave-flash
pluginspage=http://www.macromedia.com/go/getflashplayer; /
/object
   /div
  /div
  /div
/div
/cfoutput
 
 
 
Thanks,
Mark
 
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[css-d] Who is wrong? I would say: Firefox!?

2005-06-30 Thread Daniel Doesburg

Hi list,

This HTML looks as I wish if I use IE but it has a strange behavior in 
Firefox.
The background color of the header flows ahead to the top of the both 
blocks above the head.


Is this a known problem and is there somewhere a known solution?

Regards,

Daniel


html
head
titleTest/title
style type=text/css
#wrapper{min-width:250px;min-height:250px;width:250px;height:250px;background:blue;} 


#wrappera{width:49%;height:100px;min-height:100px;float:left;}
#wrapperb{width:49%;height:100px;min-height:100px;float:right;}
#head{background:yellow;}
/style
/head
body
 div id=wrapper
   div id=wrapperaLEFT/div
   div id=wrapperbRIGHT/div
   div id=headHEADER/div
 /div
/body
/html

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RE: [css-d] Relative Positioning

2005-06-30 Thread Mark Leder
Here's the link:

http://admin.evokenet.com/homeComponents/main.cfm 

-Original Message-
From: jeremy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 10:08 AM
To: Mark Leder; css list
Subject: Re: [css-d] Relative Positioning

do you have a link to the site?


Mark Leder wrote:

Hi all,
I've really been struggling with this.  Trying to have a large flash 
menu layered atop other content on a page.  I've been able to 
successfully z-index it so the drop down menus appear over top of other 
content at a lower z-index, but I can't get the menu centered left to 
right in relation to the clientName ID just above it.  Below is the CSS
and HTML affected.
 
/* CSS */
/* Horizontal Menu Layout */
#clientName {font:normal normal bolder 18px Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; 
   color:#99; text-align:center; border:solid 1px #99;
   width: 100%; background-color: #f5f5f5; margin-bottom: 10px; 
   padding:3px 0 1px 0; z-index:1;}
 
#horizMenuLayer {position: relative; text-align: center;}
 
!--- HTML ---
cfoutput
div id=clientName
 div align=center#SESSION.companyInfo.companyNameAlias# span 
class=grey-dkHOME COMPONENTS ADMINISTRATION/span/div
 
  div align=center
  div id=horizMenuLayer
   div id=Layer1 style=position:absolute; width:400px; 
height:220px; top:3px; z-index:10
!-- saved from url=(0013)about:internet --
object classid=clsid:d27cdb6e-ae6d-11cf-96b8-44455354
codebase=http://fpdownload.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/cabs/flash/swflash
.
cab##version=7,0,0,0 width=400 height=220 id=ghostMenu
align=middle
param name=allowScriptAccess value=sameDomain /
param name=movie
value=#REQUEST.webroot#/cf-inf/menus/ghostMenu.swf
/
param name=loop value=false /
param name=quality value=high /
param name=wmode value=transparent /
embed src=#REQUEST.webroot#/cf-inf/menus/ghostMenu.swf loop=false
quality=high wmode=transparent width=400 height=220
name=ghostMenu
align=middle allowScriptAccess=sameDomain
type=application/x-shockwave-flash
pluginspage=http://www.macromedia.com/go/getflashplayer; /
/object
   /div
  /div
  /div
/div
/cfoutput
 
 
 
Thanks,
Mark
 
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Re: [css-d] Who is wrong? I would say: Firefox!?

2005-06-30 Thread Martin Heiden
Daniel,

 This HTML looks as I wish if I use IE but it has a strange behavior in
 Firefox.
 The background color of the header flows ahead to the top of the both
 blocks above the head.

The problem is caused by the uncleared floats above the header. The
floats are removed from normal flow, so that the #head starts at the
top. It is the first element in normal flow. The content of #head is
pressed down by the floats, which causes the div to expand.

Add clear:both; to #head and you clear the float for pushing all
following content in normal flow under #wrappera and #wrapperb.

By the way: Use a valid doctype to put firefox into standards mode or
you will notice loads of uncontrolable cross-browser differences in
rendering.

regards,

  Martin

 

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[css-d] Style applying to one tag only

2005-06-30 Thread Jessica Mays
Hi all,

I am trying to style a page that the code in a certain area is being
generated automatically and all I really have control that area is the
style in the head tag.

I have applied the following code to the css in the header:

blockquote { margin: 1px 0 3px 15px; }

This seems to only apply to the first blockquote tag in the page not all
like I would expect.

Below is an example of mess of generated copy I am dealing with:

div!--qsText--a name=Question0/abFirst
Name:*/b/fontblockquoteinput type=text value= name=wsb0
size=40 maxlength=40/blockquotep!--qsText--a
name=Question1/abLast Name:*/b/fontblockquoteinput
type=text value= name=wsb1 size=40
maxlength=40/blockquotep!--qsSingleSelect--a
name=Question2/abJob Title:*/b/fontblockquoteselect
name=wsb2option value= option value=0job oneoption
value=1job two/select/blockquotep!--qsText--a
name=Question3/abEmail Address:*/b/fontblockquoteinput
type=text value= name=wsb3 size=40
maxlength=40/blockquotep!--qsHtmlHeader--a
name=Question4/aa
href=http://www.websurveyor.com/websurveyor-privacypolicy.asp;
target=_blank style=font-size:10px; margin-left:15px;
margin-bottom:0;Your privacy is guaranteed./abrspan
style=font-size:10px; margin-left:15px; margin-top:0px;We will never
give, lease, or sell your personal
information./spanbrbr!--qsText--a
name=Question5/abPhone:/b/fontblockquoteinput type=text
value= name=wsb5 size=40 maxlength=40brspan
style=font-size: 10px;Format: (999)
999-/span/blockquotep/div

Yes, I know it is in one line. Yes, I know that this code is in no way
valid. However, I was told that the way I had be doing the form before
was working around the product not with the product so this is what I
have to deal with.

To see the whole lovely mess go to:
http://websurveyor.net/wsb.dll/22091/registrationtest.htm

Thanks all

-

Jessica Mays
Graphic Designer
WebSurveyor Corporation
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Re: [css-d] Who is wrong? I would say: Firefox!?

2005-06-30 Thread Daniel Doesburg

Martin Heiden schreef:

Daniel,

The problem is caused by the uncleared floats above the header. The
floats are removed from normal flow, so that the #head starts at the
top. It is the first element in normal flow. The content of #head is
pressed down by the floats, which causes the div to expand.

Add clear:both; to #head and you clear the float for pushing all
following content in normal flow under #wrappera and #wrapperb.


Thanks, that's the trick.


By the way: Use a valid doctype to put firefox into standards mode or
you will notice loads of uncontrolable cross-browser differences in
rendering.


Yes, I know.


Regards,

Daniel

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RE: [css-d] Relative Positioning

2005-06-30 Thread Holly Bergevin
From: Mark Leder [EMAIL PROTECTED]

http://admin.evokenet.com/homeComponents/main.cfm 

 I can't get the menu centered left to 
right in relation to the clientName ID just above it.

Try - 

#Layer1 {
position: absolute;
top: 3px;
left: 50%; /* default left value when not specified is 0. 50% (or center) 
should move the left edge of the menu half way across the available space. */
margin-left: -200px; /* since the width is set, this should 'drag' the menu 
back to the left one half of its width, thus centering it. */
width: 400px; 
height: 220px; 
z-index: 10;
}

hope that helps,

~holly 
 
   
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RE: [css-d] Style applying to one tag only

2005-06-30 Thread Jessica Mays
I got it to work by defining it as:

div blockquote

and also adding a div p style

Using Ian's suggestions of putting a background color on for testing
really helped as well

Thanks!


Jessica Mays
Graphic Designer
WebSurveyor Corporation

 

-Original Message-

Hi all,

I am trying to style a page that the code in a certain area is being
generated automatically and all I really have control that area is the
style in the head tag.

I have applied the following code to the css in the header:

blockquote { margin: 1px 0 3px 15px; }

This seems to only apply to the first blockquote tag in the page not all
like I would expect.
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RE: [css-d] site check - real estate site

2005-06-30 Thread McGrady, John (MBS)
Hi Adam, I was looking at your site (which looks quite good btw) and noticed a 
couple of things which may be issues.

1. Is there a way to get back to the main page other than using the back button?

2a. Increasing the font size in IE6 makes your menu bar wrap, which wouldn't be 
much of a problem, however the second line is only partially visable..

2b. Using the zoom function in FF 1.0.2 causes the text to change size, but 
since everything else is static the site starts to break down.


John

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Subject: [css-d] site check - real estate site


Hello All...
Thanks for the gracious help of others I finally got the site where I 
need it to be.
Its filled with filler content of course, but all needed pages are up 
(and look the same).

Let me know what you think.

http://www.rocklinsystems.com/infinity/


Thanks
Adam
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Re: [css-d] Div's Vs Classes

2005-06-30 Thread Michael Auty

Guys and gals,

thanks very much for your input (and Adam, for bringing the thread back 
on topic)
yours and Christians suggestion of designating structural ID's was the 
consensus that we reached in our last scoping session as the potential 
for an, as you put it 'dangerous' development environment has to be the 
primary concern.


Interestingly, during the exploration of this issue, we seem to have 
come full circle: Settling on using ID's for structural elements (i.e. 
elements that do not require being dynamically driven) and classes for 
everything else has in fact rendered the initial point mute, and brought 
us back to the correct semantic use of these functions.


How elegant... in a messy kind of way!

Anyway, result! and the lists input was invaluable.

cheers

Mike
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[css-d] Three-column layout

2005-06-30 Thread Jonathan Berry
I just wanted to be pointed to any tutorials on doing a three (or
other number for that matter) column layout without absolute
positioning or floats. Any directions? Thanks in advance.
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Re: [css-d] Who is wrong? I would say: Firefox!? - - Extended - -

2005-06-30 Thread Ingo Chao

Daniel Doesburg schrieb:

Yes of course, I am willing to do all what's necessary to solve it.

Thank you.


It's now on http://test.doesburg.biz/test1.html
The problem is that IE looks (I did not said it renders all well) good.
How can I get Firefox does the same?


Forget IE6 for a moment.

Fx problems:
# lime background does not extend: have a (re-)read here
http://www.complexspiral.com/publications/containing-floats

# headers do not align vertically: zero the default-margin top for h1, 
h2, h3


# each .wrapper2 drops under .wrapper1: you'll have to set a width:49% 
for that floats too.


# general: assuming the lime background is not the story's end, read
Zoe's liquid faux columns article
http://www.communitymx.com/content/article.cfm?page=1cid=AFC58

consider using the other 50% of the screen to bring some white space 
between your columns. It's just to tight fitting, your layout. Someone 
for sure has to zoom your text, and in the end, he will get one word per 
line in that tall columns.


once the layout is more or less determined in a compliant browser like 
Fx or Opera8, you'll have to look again in IE6 and fix the bugs.


Maybe at this point, your answer could be: I would say: IE!?, too. But 
that is not important.


Ingo




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RE: [css-d] Simple div positioning problem

2005-06-30 Thread Glenn E. Lanier, II

 -Original Message-
 From: Jon Trelfa
 Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 2:38 PM

 On 6/30/05, Glenn E. Lanier, II [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I created http://bellsouthpwp.net/S/p/Speedy7/position.html 
 as a way to test,

 I changed your CSS just slightly as such.
 1.  The thin keyword changes your widths relatively, so I changed
 them all to 1px
 2.  The container is positioned relatively with the inner divs
 positioned absolutely
 3.  I gave the container div the 80% width with auto margins rather
 than the inner divs

[snip]

 Hope this helps!

Brilliant. As my nephew said, Works very much good now. Thanks, I tried
relative/absolute, but apparently I didn't have all the pieces in the right
place. Thanks again for the quick response.

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Re: [css-d] Relative Positioning

2005-06-30 Thread Jon Trelfa
On 6/30/05, Mark Leder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Thanks, that worked in Firefox, still shoved to the right on IE6.  I'm
 looking for a hack to solve that one.
 

I know this will sound silly...but is IE6 in quirks mode?  You have to
be careful about your doctype at the top of the page, or it will
behave similarly to IE5
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Re: [css-d] Who is wrong? I would say: Firefox!? - - Extended - -

2005-06-30 Thread Kelly Miller
If you want the honest truth, I'd bet most of your problems come from 
giving the browser both a width and a min-width (and same with height 
and min-height).


IE ignores min-height, and treats height as if it were min-height.  
Firefox, on the other hand, will use height literally.  Try giving most 
browsers min-height and only giving IE height, and see if that gives you 
a better result.


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Re: [css-d] Re: float and disappearing a. p. box

2005-06-30 Thread Holly Bergevin
From: Simon Douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Thanks for that, I have tried it - see
www.menziesclc.org.uk/test/index2.html
There are two (possibly insoluble) problems:

1. In IE, a stray letter ('W') appears, or rather, is not hidden.

2. This is less of a problem, but the flow is wrong - can the order
be changed, so that the title is first?

#1 - IE, it seems moves all the other letters to the left based on your letter 
spacing, *except* the first letter, which it leaves in its original location. 
You'll need to find some other way of moving the text you do not want to 
display. 

You've used text-indent with a negative value, presumably for Opera, but while 
it appears that Gecko browsers will do what you want with the negative letter 
spacing, I don't think they are using that to move the h1 text, as they can 
read the following, more specific selector that resets the letter-spacing to 
normal and instead uses text-indent to move the text. Perhaps you can just 
unhide that selector from IE/Win (remove the  between html and body and put a 
space there instead, or remove that part of the selector altogether)?

#2 Based on information from this page - 
http://www.brunildo.org/test/IE_raf3.html (example 11 and 12)
I moved the h1 element to the beginning of the header DIV and then placed a 
completely useless DIV (with nothing in it) between the h1 and the floated div. 
Bingo, there's your title image. It's an extra element, but sometimes we gotta 
do what we gotta do...

hope that helps,

~holly   
 
   
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[css-d] Keeping headers visible

2005-06-30 Thread Ian Skinner
I have this fairly large table that, unless one has their monitor set to above 
average resolutions (such as mine at 1280x1024), one can not see the entire 
table at once.  And since it is long both horizontally and vertically one gets 
the dreaded double scroll bars at lower resolutions.

Is there any reasonably way to keep the column and row headers visible while 
the data cells scroll up, down, left, right and all around?


An interesting side note, this seems to be one of the few instances of IE6 (in 
compliance mode) following the standards better then Firefox.  IE is honoring 
my specified column widths, even though that means some of the heading cells' 
content does not fit.  Firefox stretches those cells.  I would have expected 
the reverse.

PSS
I suppose a link would have been useful: 
http://www.bloodsource.org/bugtests/collectionDetailsTable.cfm

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RE: [css-d] horizontal border in a liquid layout

2005-06-30 Thread Maren Child
Mike, it was a combination of your first suggestion and modifications
suggested by Gunlaug that has worked in the end - as you can see from
http://www.biotext.com.au/test0205/testpage.html
By starting the border exactly where I want it on the right, and using the
white div to shift the left side of the div back to the edge of the page and
another one to move the 'buttons' over to where they should be, I avoid the
problems of overlapping and transparency and everything else that was making
it hard to fix on the right.
It's amazing how a tiny thing like that border can eat up the hours!
Thanks,
Maren


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[css-d] (IE problem) vertical-align of div in td doesn't work when div has relative height

2005-06-30 Thread sascha sengespeick

please take a look at this:
http://www.info01.de/sascha/buggy_in_ie.html
it drives me crazy!

if you change the height to a pixel value, it works fine in IE ...

source:

?xml version=1.0 encoding=iso-8859-1? 
!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.1//EN http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml11/DTD/xhtml11.dtd;

html style=height: 100%;
head
		titleIE does not align properly when using relative height/title 
	/head

body style=height: 100%;
table style=height:100%;
tr
td style=height: 100%; vertical-align: 
bottom;
div style=background-color: #999; height: 
50%;
		this should be at the bottom of the page but it is not when using IE. 
		changing the height to e.g. 50px gets it there ... why is it not working with the relative value?

/div
/td
/tr
/table
/body
/html

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