[css-d] Internet Explorer's layout and other oddities

[Alex Kadis]

Great Gurus of CSS I request your knowledge :-)

I am working on a website for a client, the test page is up here:
< http://x.musicbyforecast.com/test/ >
It works fine in the standards-compliant Safari and Firefox (if anyone
notices anything wrong, please tell me!) However IE is giving me a
headache.

When the administrator is logged in, their editing-navigation doesn't
work.  You can see what I mean at :
< http://x.musicbyforecast.com/test/?fake-logged-in >
It seems to display it when you go directly to the URL, but when the
page is refreshed, it disappears.  When it *is* visible, part of the
'hover' bottom half of the image is shown.  (see the css rules for the
left-side-navigation)
The content moves down to make room for the extra navigation bar, but
the navigation bar itself doesn't exist!  Also the navigation on the
left side gets smaller when I go to:
< http://x.musicbyforecast.com/test/admin/login.php >

In the footers of all of the pages is the following character: ♫
(a music note) that links to the administration page, however in IE it
looks like a box (as if IE doesn't understand what the character
means).  Is there a way to fix it?

Any help with these problems is *GREATLY* appreciated!  Thank you in
advance for your time and effort.

PS: If this ends up being a double post, I am very sorry, my first one
didn't seem to send correctly.
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Re: [css-d] IE Margin-Problem, Links not clickable

[Rahul Gonsalves]

Holly Bergevin wrote:

>From: Rahul Gonsalves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>  
>
>>Trying to figure out how to get this pull-out quote to display properly 
>>in IE. I can see it in both Opera and in FF (WinXPSP2), but not on IE.
>>
>>http://www.lameeratrust.org/about
>>
>>
>
>Add {position: relative;} to the .pullout class to get IE to display your pull 
>quote.
>
>~holly
>
>  
>
Thanks! Worked like a charm!

Regards,
Rahul.

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Re: [css-d] Boxy in Foxy...

[Matthew Levine]

On Jan 7, 2006, at 10:11 PM, Joe Friend wrote:

> I'm missing something.  I know it, but I can't find
> it.  Need another set of eyes. It's one of those 'it
> works in IE but not Firefox' sort of issues but I only
> use Firefox so it's bugging me.
>
> I'm having a DIV in a DIV issue where the parent is
> not resizing to the contents of the container.  Here
> is the link: http://www.burnbaby.net/manifesto.htm if
> anyone feels like popping their eyes over to it.  I
> tried the validator, went through the archives here,
> read a bunch of Eric's articles- no dice.
>
> Thanks, in advance, for any replies.

Hi Joe.

It looks like you're floating both the children of #middlebox. If an  
item is floated, it's non-floating container should *not*  
automatically expand to contain it. IE does this, but it's a bug.   
Firefox is exhibiting the proper behavior, which is giving the  
container the minimum height you assigned it.

There are a couple of ways to fix this.

First, you could float the #middlebox. Floating elements WILL expand  
to the height of their floated contents. You just need to make sure  
that the footer has clear: both on it.

Second, you could auto-clear the #middlebox. This is a bit of a hack,  
but the formula is straightforward:

   #middlebox:after {
 content: "";
 display: block;
 height: 0;
 clear: both;
 visibility: hidden;
   }

   * html #middlebox { height: 1%; } /* For IE */

Hope this helps.  Good luck!

Matthew Levine (http://www.infocraft.com/)
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[css-d] Boxy in Foxy...

[Joe Friend]

The problem:

I'm missing something.  I know it, but I can't find
it.  Need another set of eyes. It's one of those 'it
works in IE but not Firefox' sort of issues but I only
use Firefox so it's bugging me.

I'm having a DIV in a DIV issue where the parent is
not resizing to the contents of the container.  Here
is the link: http://www.burnbaby.net/manifesto.htm if
anyone feels like popping their eyes over to it.  I
tried the validator, went through the archives here,
read a bunch of Eric's articles- no dice.

Thanks, in advance, for any replies.

Joe


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Re: [css-d] IE Margin-Problem, Links not clickable

[Holly Bergevin]

From: Rahul Gonsalves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>Trying to figure out how to get this pull-out quote to display properly 
>in IE. I can see it in both Opera and in FF (WinXPSP2), but not on IE.
>
>http://www.lameeratrust.org/about

Add {position: relative;} to the .pullout class to get IE to display your pull 
quote.

~holly
 
 
   
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Re: [css-d] IE Margin-Problem, Links not clickable

[Rahul Gonsalves]

Dear Francky, Ingo:
francky wrote:

> Rahul Gonsalves wrote:
>
>> Trying to figure out how to get this pull-out quote to display 
>> properly in IE. I can see it in both Opera and in FF (WinXPSP2), but 
>> not on IE.
>>
>> http://www.lameeratrust.org/about
>
> Hello Rahul,
> I was bending over the nav-menu, and cannot give a simple suggestion: 
> I think there are some related elements which cause this behavior. But 
> my fingers could not resist the magnetism of the keyboard: and out 
> there came a testpage 
>  
> to play with. (needs to be fine-tuned and so).

I feel rather bad about just copy-pasting the code off your page ;-). 
Thanks a million though; the code does work perfectly, at least as much 
as my Sunday-morning testing shows.

> Only 1 small lay-out hack for IE needed, only for the height of the 
> header (not essential for the problem); on Win98SE I saw no hovering 
> problems with FF, IE6, Opera 7.54 and Opera 8.01.
> The comments are in the source code.
> Limitation is that it is not so good looking when the font-size is 
> scaled upwards bij the visitor, but it is already better then it was.

Definitely. Firefox is actually the only one where problems are noted. 
IE scales fine, pushes content below nav. menu, but FF creates nasty 
blocks which obscure content. Fixes, anyone?

> I thought it would be better to replace the png color-images by border 
> or background colors (via padding), and replace the logo-png (17 
> colors) by a 16 color gif; that speeds up the page: speed was almost 
> 20sec. on 54k modem, can be reduced to 2.63 sec. now. (see the 
> OptimizeAnalysator 
> ).

Argh! I knew I had left out something - I'd been using the PNG's for a 
quick and dirty fix; needed to get this all done by Monday. I feel 
really lazy and incompetent; thank you, though, for the large amount of 
time and effort that you've spent on this already.

>
> Ah, I see in the meantime Ingo has also made a page, I'm going to look 
> now. Hope he has something for the pullout problem.
>
> Succes with it,
> francky



Many Thanks,
Warmly,
Rahul.


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Re: [css-d] Site check Please

[Jim Berkey]

> Hey everyone. I finally got a chance to work on my own site, and I think
> it's pretty good, but I'd like the experts opinions on if theres
> anything I should change either for aesthetics or accessibility. the
> site is www.samleathers.com.

Screenshot from my browser:
http://jimbo.us/SamLeathers.jpg

On a larger monitor, the logo and top nav align to the right, might want to 
left-align it instead? 

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Re: [css-d] Site check Please

[David Laakso]

Sam Leathers wrote:

>Hey everyone. I finally got a chance to work on my own site, and I think 
>it's pretty good, but I'd like the experts opinions on if theres 
>anything I should change either for aesthetics or accessibility. the 
>site is www.samleathers.com.
>
>Sam
>
>  
>
Ain't no expert. Don't forget a title. That's important. Deleting 
font-size: 12px; will do wonders for ie, not mention what it will do for 
folks at 1280, 1400 and up in good browsers. I sort of wondered why h1 
reads 'Under Construction,' and why the stuff under it is not a simple 
list? I know from nothing about aesthetics. Someone who does, might put 
h1 in the header and just forget that image. Or would they?
~davidLaakso
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Re: [css-d] WA! for vert menu

[Gunlaug Sørtun]

Ivan Bell wrote:
> http://www.old-glossop.com
> 
> My vertical menu seems to be working OK but when I try to Validate in
>  WIA I am told that I need to separate the links with a whitespace 
> area.

Your questions regarding VAI is not CSS related in this case, and are
best dealt with at the forum at  [1]
...or similar.

However, you should try resizing fonts in Firefox, Opera or Safari, and
add clearing or 'new block formatting context'[2] at the right place to
avoid overlapping. Compare with IE6 - which actually is wrong on this point.

regards
Georg

[1]http://list.webaim.org/mailman/listinfo/webaim-forum
[2]http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/visuren.html#q15
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Re: [css-d] IE Margin-Problem, Links not clickable

[francky]

Rahul Gonsalves wrote:

>Dear All:
>
>Trying to figure out how to get this pull-out quote to display properly 
>in IE. I can see it in both Opera and in FF (WinXPSP2), but not on IE.
>
>http://www.lameeratrust.org/about
>
>Also, the logo is getting pushed down in IE, and my using a conditional 
>comment is having absolutely no effect. Suggestions?
>
>MainNav - the large links on the top, are not easily clickable in 
>Opera/IE. What fixes could apply? Opera 9PR expecially has some funny 
>tricks up it sleeve; if you hover on the link from below, only part of 
>it is highlighted, while if you move the cursor around, the entire area 
>"lights up" (as desired).
>
>Thanks for your time.
>Regards,
>Rahul
>
Hello Rahul,
I was bending over the nav-menu, and cannot give a simple suggestion: I 
think there are some related elements which cause this behavior. But my 
fingers could not resist the magnetism of the keyboard: and out there 
came a testpage 
 
to play with. (needs to be fine-tuned and so).
Only 1 small lay-out hack for IE needed, only for the height of the 
header (not essential for the problem); on Win98SE I saw no hovering 
problems with FF, IE6, Opera 7.54 and Opera 8.01.
The comments are in the source code.
Limitation is that it is not so good looking when the font-size is 
scaled upwards bij the visitor, but it is already better then it was.
I thought it would be better to replace the png color-images by border 
or background colors (via padding), and replace the logo-png (17 colors) 
by a 16 color gif; that speeds up the page: speed was almost 20sec. on 
54k modem, can be reduced to 2.63 sec. now. (see the OptimizeAnalysator 
).

Ah, I see in the meantime Ingo has also made a page, I'm going to look 
now. Hope he has something for the pullout problem.

Succes with it,
francky
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Re: [css-d] Is the IE in Quirksmode??

[Roger Roelofs]

Ben,

On Jan 7, 2006, at 7:16 PM, yaXay wrote:

> Hello,
>
> it seems as if the IE6 is in Quirksmode, since the boxmodel is all
> messed up. However the DOCTYPE is specified correctly I think. I'm
> guessing the box model is still not fixed completely.
> I searched the archives and tried some of the "hacks" like "display:
> inline;" (it's a floated div); however they did not work completely or
> at all. It would be great if you could give me some pointers:
> http://yaxay.ya.funpic.de/test.html
> http://yaxay.ya.funpic.de/css/style.css

I don't have ie/win on my mac :-) but the document should trigger 
'standards' mode in ie/win.  Here's a great write up on some of the 
differences between the two.  
  You can also test with 
a javascript snippet.  You can paste this into the address bar or make 
a favlet out of it.
javascript:alert(document.compatMode);

Quirks mode is called 'BackCompat'
Firefox reports your current page as CSS1Compat

hth
Roger,

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Re: [css-d] Site check Please

[Matthew Levine]

On Jan 7, 2006, at 6:45 PM, Sam Leathers wrote:

> Hey everyone. I finally got a chance to work on my own site, and I  
> think
> it's pretty good, but I'd like the experts opinions on if theres
> anything I should change either for aesthetics or accessibility. the
> site is www.samleathers.com.

Your markup is very clean; well done on that count.

As far as markup and accessibility a couple things jump out at me:

1) You've definitely got a good handle on image replacement. In the  
case of the "picture", however, I'd recommend using an  tag  
instead for three reasons:
   - Since it's an actual image, it would make more semantic sense to  
use an  tag instead of a div.
   - Browsers without images or CSS support won't see anything; they  
should see "Sam Leathers Computer Services". You can accomplish this  
either with the "alt" tag on an image, or by placing the text inside  
the div and adding "text-indent: -1em" property.
   - An image tag would be easier to wrap in an anchor to link to the  
homepage (a good usability practice).

2) I'd consider adding some :hover effects to your links. From an  
accessibility perspective, it's a good visual cue that you're  
correctly targeting the link, particularly for users with limited  
vision or mobility who might otherwise have trouble telling when  
they're able to click.

Cheers,
Matthew Levine ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

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Re: [css-d] Site check Please

[david]

Sam Leathers wrote:
> Hey everyone. I finally got a chance to work on my own site, and I think 
> it's pretty good, but I'd like the experts opinions on if theres 
> anything I should change either for aesthetics or accessibility. the 
> site is www.samleathers.com.

Hmmm, I presume you're aware of this error?

Parse error: parse error, unexpected $ in /var/www/web9/web/tools.php on 
line 31

Using Linux FF1.5, putting the mouse pointer over any underlined text in 
your top navigation menu doesn't turn it into a clickable link. 
Positioning the pointer ABOVE the text (near the top of the box around 
the text) does. I'm not sure why that is, but FF's Web Developer toolbar 
shows that one of your block level elements is overlaying the block 
level element that contains your links. That might be causing the problem.

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[css-d] Site check Please

[Sam Leathers]

Hey everyone. I finally got a chance to work on my own site, and I think 
it's pretty good, but I'd like the experts opinions on if theres 
anything I should change either for aesthetics or accessibility. the 
site is www.samleathers.com.

Sam

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Get Firefox!!!
http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id=13731&t=1

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[css-d] Is the IE in Quirksmode??

[yaXay]

Hello,

it seems as if the IE6 is in Quirksmode, since the boxmodel is all 
messed up. However the DOCTYPE is specified correctly I think. I'm 
guessing the box model is still not fixed completely.
I searched the archives and tried some of the "hacks" like "display: 
inline;" (it's a floated div); however they did not work completely or 
at all. It would be great if you could give me some pointers:
http://yaxay.ya.funpic.de/test.html
http://yaxay.ya.funpic.de/css/style.css

Thank you,
Ben Schulz


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Re: [css-d] IE Margin-Problem, Links not clickable

[Ingo Chao]

Rahul Gonsalves wrote:
> ...
> http://www.lameeratrust.org/about
> ...
> MainNav - the large links on the top, are not easily clickable in 
> Opera/IE. What fixes could apply? Opera 9PR expecially has some funny 
> tricks up it sleeve; if you hover on the link from below, only part of 
> it is highlighted, while if you move the cursor around, the entire area 
> "lights up" (as desired).

This Opera problem is an interesting one: the sensible area is 
restricted to the inline/line box the span would have established for 
its own.

I guess we have discussed it before, but couldn't find the thread, so 
here is a new testcase for Opera 8+9TP1 (cannot resist):

http://www.satzansatz.de/cssd/tmp/ophoverlinebox.html

The second list's line box has reacting anchors due to its 'own' 
characters in the last element.

Besides, IE shows some problems, too. The span tries to catch the 
whitespace bug.


I haven't tried, but in your case, the fix for Opera should make the 
spans taller. I did not understand the different paddings you are 
defining for a:link and a:hover, this might add to the problem Opera9TP1 
has.

Regards,
Ingo


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Re: [css-d] frameless frames, synchronized scroll, and tableless tables (basically Excel)

[Christian Heilmann]

> tableless table http://www.bernzilla.com/design/tables/table.html

Excellent example! Now if only someone would come up with a soundless
MP3 or a HTML-less web document!

Reads: Tabular data is tables, as they provide oh so many more hooks
for user agents and assistive technology.


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Re: [css-d] Form and Menu conflict within FireFox

[david]

CSS Vic wrote:
> URL:
> http://www.ggshows.com/DisplayPage.asp?pageType=1&pageName=Guestbookfeedback&Title=Guestbook%20-%20Feedback
> 
> CSS: http://www.ggshows.com/css/ggshows.css
> 
> My site has a vertical menu down the left side.  When I put a form beside it
> (the referenced page above) only the left side of the menu items beside the
> form respond to the hover.  Within IE, this does not happen.  The menu items
> higher than the form, and lower then the form work correctly.  I have no
> idea on how to fix this.  Any ideas will be greatly appreciated.  

Hmmm, W3C validator reports 68 validation errors for the HTML and the 
CSS validator reports 3 errors and bunch of warnings. Fixing these might 
help things.

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Re: [css-d] Form and Menu conflict within FireFox

[Roger Roelofs]

Vic,

On Jan 7, 2006, at 2:41 PM, CSS Vic wrote:

> URL:  http://www.ggshows.com/DisplayPage.asp?pageType=1
>  pageType=1&pageName=Guestbookfeedbac
> k&Title=Guestbook%20-%20Feedback>
> &pageName=Guestbookfeedback&Title=Guestbook%20-%20Feedback
>
> CSS: http://www.ggshows.com/css/ggshows.css
>
>
>
> My site has a vertical menu down the left side.  When I put a form  
> beside it
> (the referenced page above) only the left side of the menu items  
> beside the
> form respond to the hover.  Within IE, this does not happen.  The menu  
> items
> higher than the form, and lower then the form work correctly.

The #guestleft is covering part of the navigation.  Adding div#content  
{ margin-left: 130px; } should keep that from happening.


Roger,

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[css-d] Form and Menu conflict within FireFox

[CSS Vic]

URL:  http://www.ggshows.com/DisplayPage.asp?pageType=1

&pageName=Guestbookfeedback&Title=Guestbook%20-%20Feedback

CSS: http://www.ggshows.com/css/ggshows.css

 

My site has a vertical menu down the left side.  When I put a form beside it
(the referenced page above) only the left side of the menu items beside the
form respond to the hover.  Within IE, this does not happen.  The menu items
higher than the form, and lower then the form work correctly.  I have no
idea on how to fix this.  Any ideas will be greatly appreciated.  

 

Thanks,

Vic

 

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[css-d] IE Margin-Problem, Links not clickable

[Rahul Gonsalves]

Dear All:

Trying to figure out how to get this pull-out quote to display properly 
in IE. I can see it in both Opera and in FF (WinXPSP2), but not on IE.

http://www.lameeratrust.org/about

Also, the logo is getting pushed down in IE, and my using a conditional 
comment is having absolutely no effect. Suggestions?

MainNav - the large links on the top, are not easily clickable in 
Opera/IE. What fixes could apply? Opera 9PR expecially has some funny 
tricks up it sleeve; if you hover on the link from below, only part of 
it is highlighted, while if you move the cursor around, the entire area 
"lights up" (as desired).


Thanks for your time.
Regards,
Rahul.

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