Re: [css-d] IE and Firefox respond differently to pixel setting!

2006-01-30 Thread Ian Anderson
Zach Byrd wrote:

 I used pixels to set the height on a web project I am
 working on. The height in IE does not respond(will not
 get any smaller) below a setting of 15px(in CSS), but
 in Firefox the setting reflects what height I put in
 the CSS. I would appreciate any advice on this matter.
 Thanks in advance!

Without any reference code this is a bit of guesswork.

a. Sounds like you have an empty DIV or similar. IE is treating the 
contents of this as a paragraph of text, and it's got the default 
line-height, margin and whatnot.

b. IE doesn't interpret CSS height correctly, and will stretch the 
container to fit this invisible content. Firefox correctly allows the 
content to overflow the container, whether or not it is calculating the 
same height for the invisible contents.

If this container being sized is empty, you may try putting a spacer gif 
or HTML comment in there and see if this allows IE to size it smaller.

e.g.
div class=foo!-- hfdf --/div

.foo {
   background:#f63;
   height:1px;
}

HTH

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[css-d] DIV background problem in FireFox

2006-01-30 Thread Maarten Reynders
Inventis MailI've got a problem with a background which should fill my 
#container div nicely. In Internet Explorer it works fine. In Firefox it 
won't fill...

Site: http://www.plusminusitv.be/index.php?page=opzet
CSS: http://www.plusminusitv.be/design/css/style.css

It would be great if anyone could help me out.

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Re: [css-d] Browser Statistics

2006-01-30 Thread Ian Anderson
Bob Easton wrote:

 If you are trying to make a decision about which browsers to support, 
 the *only* place you should be looking is your own site's logs. 
 Determine what your actual audience uses, not some sample of an unknown 
 audience.

I think this is potentially bad advice in that it can be easiy 
misapplied. I don't disagree with the basic idea you're trying to get 
across, which is to support what your desired audience uses, but relying 
on your own server logs as the main method is of determining this is flawed.

Imagine that the site in question has some accessibility problems, or 
uses Flash in unpleasant ways. Looking at the server logs will primarily 
tell you which configurations are more successful with the current site, 
not reflect the wider audience that would like to use the site. I have 
seen server logs used to justify maintaining inaccessible design techniques.

Also, many UAs identify themselves as MSIE to get around sniffing 
techniques.

Also, a huge proportion of the site traffic will be search engines and 
other bots.

The server logs can be a really unreliable way to find out what people 
are using, never mind what people would *like* to use to access your 
site. As an example of this, some authors may not be aware that 
assistive technology such as screen readers don't show up in server logs 
at all.

I use this site to get a rough idea of what's going on in the general 
browser world:

http://www.thecounter.com/stats/

Cheers

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Re: [css-d] DIV background problem in FireFox

2006-01-30 Thread Ian Young
Inventis MailI've got a problem with a background which should fill my 
#container div nicely. In Internet Explorer it works fine. In Firefox it 
won't fill...


Try:
background-image: url(../images/cont_bg.gif);
background-repeat:repeat-y;


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Re: [css-d] RH column drops down when window is resized

2006-01-30 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
2geedesign wrote:
 http://www.debbiejoynes.co.uk/

 I have found that if you resize the browser window by slowly dragging
  the RH side towards the left the content of the RH column flickers
  and at certain positions the RH column content drops down below the
  end of the LH column content. This only happens in IE6/win.

That's a quite normal error in IE6, as its ability to calculate
correctly is nonexistent, and its 'tendency to drop things' is well known.

IE6 needs more space to spread its bugs around on, so the simplest
solution is to give it some:

#navbar {margin-left: -3px;}

...will give IE6 3px to mess up - with no ill effects. This works stable
in all browsers, because the margin is pulled in on the backside of a
float. Other values can be used as long as they are large enough but not
too large.

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Re: [css-d] DIV background problem in FireFox

2006-01-30 Thread Maarten Reynders
Inventis MailI've got a problem with a background which should fill my 
 #container div nicely. In Internet Explorer it works fine. In Firefox it 
 won't fill...

 
 Try:
 background-image: url(../images/cont_bg.gif);
 background-repeat:repeat-y;
 
 
 Ian

Nope, still nothing.

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Re: [css-d] IE and Firefox respond differently to pixel setting!

2006-01-30 Thread francky
Ian Anderson wrote:

[...] 
If this container being sized is empty, you may try putting a spacer gif 
or HTML comment in there and see if this allows IE to size it smaller.

e.g.
div class=foo!-- hfdf --/div

.foo {
   background:#f63;
   height:1px;
}

Without spacer or html-comment also a {font-size: 1px; }can be usefull 
(that also forces down the line-height that IE is giving).

francky
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Re: [css-d] DIV background problem in FireFox

2006-01-30 Thread David Dorward
On 30/01/06, Maarten Reynders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Inventis MailI've got a problem with a background which should fill my
 #container div nicely. In Internet Explorer it works fine. In Firefox it
 won't fill...

I don't have the time/tools to do a serious investigation right now,
but my guess is that it *is* filling the div, but the div isn't as
tall as you expect. Are you floating everything inside it? If so, 
you've hit an IE bug.

http://www.complexspiral.com/publications/containing-floats/

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Re: [css-d] IE and Firefox respond differently to pixel setting!

2006-01-30 Thread Ian Anderson
francky wrote:

 Without spacer or html-comment also a {font-size: 1px; }can be usefull 
 (that also forces down the line-height that IE is giving).

Indeed, but IE then gives the container contents a height of 2px. Using 
a comment, you can get it down to 1px, or even 0px

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Re: [css-d] DIV background problem in FireFox

2006-01-30 Thread Ian Young
Inventis MailI've got a problem with a background which should fill my
 #container div nicely. In Internet Explorer it works fine. In Firefox it
 won't fill...


 Try:
 background-image: url(../images/cont_bg.gif);
 background-repeat:repeat-y;


 Ian

Nope, still nothing.


On my system the image now repeats on the y axis on both IE and FF, however,
there are other issues with the contianer div as it is not centred or lining
up with the body background gif.

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Re: [css-d] DIV background problem in FireFox

2006-01-30 Thread Martin Heiden
Maarten,

on Monday, January 30, 2006 at 10:55 Maarten Reynders wrote:

 Site: http://www.plusminusitv.be/index.php?page=opzet
 CSS: http://www.plusminusitv.be/design/css/style.css

You've got to clear the floats before the container div closes, to
force the container to wrap the floats.

Add after xtra02:

div class=clear!-- --/div

.clear {
   clear: both;
   height: 1px;
   font-size: 1px;
   line-height: 1px;
   margin-bottom: -1px;
}

regards

  Martin

 



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Re: [css-d] DIV background problem in FireFox

2006-01-30 Thread Maarten Reynders
 Maarten,

 on Monday, January 30, 2006 at 10:55 Maarten Reynders wrote:

 Site: http://www.plusminusitv.be/index.php?page=opzet
 CSS: http://www.plusminusitv.be/design/css/style.css

 You've got to clear the floats before the container div closes, to
 force the container to wrap the floats.

 Add after xtra02:

 div class=clear!-- --/div

 .clear {
   clear: both;
   height: 1px;
   font-size: 1px;
   line-height: 1px;
   margin-bottom: -1px;
 }

 regards

  Martin

Thanks a lot! This fixed the problem. I had to put it in front of my XTRA01 
and XTRA02 div though, otherwise my televisions were gone. Thanks to 
everyone who contributed in solving my problem!

Maarten 


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[css-d] A big difference between FF 1.5 nd IE 6

2006-01-30 Thread MARG
Hi,

If you care to visit
http://www.dte.ua.pt/portulano/index.html

you'll notice a big difference between Firefox and IE 6 (for worst).

I've been around this all morning, but couldn't fix it.

Can someone help me, please ?

Any help would be apreciated.

Warm Regards,
MARG
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[css-d] Strange Issues Under FF 1.07 and all NN I have tried

2006-01-30 Thread Simon
First of all, a big hello to everyone.
 
Next thing I apologise if this is a well know bug I'm wasting someone times
on. I've had a look round but couldn't see anything obvious and wasn't
entirely sure where to look next.
 
I have a menu down the right side of a page which is based on an unordered
list that I have then formatted. Each element is set to have a single pixel
of padding above for visual reason.
 
Everything works fine on IE, Opera, FF 1.5 but not on FF 1.07 or any version
of NN I have tried.
 
The problem is that some of the single pixel padding disappears. It seems to
go in a pattern of displaying properly or not as shown below
 
correct
bugged
correct
correct
bugged
 
Then repeats this over and over. Now things get even stranger. If I scroll
down the page so the menu is not visible then back up most of the padding
strangely appears correctly apart from on a couple of items which never
appear. Then as soon as I mouse over any of the items which changes the
background colour and font colour it reverts back to the original problem.
 
Any ideas? I can post all the code if that helps?
 
Regards
 
Simon
 
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[css-d] Background image duplicated when page is scrolled in IE6/win

2006-01-30 Thread 2geedesign
Hi
 Webpage link = http://www.2gee.com/business.html
CSS link = http://www.2gee.com/stylesheets/main-style.css

If you visit this page in IE6/win and scroll the page down to the bottom and 
then scroll back up you should see that the background image located at the top 
of the LH column has been duplicated. 
If someone can advise why this is happening and how to fix it it would be much 
appreciated.

Regards

Ian W Geddes
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[css-d] more than one absolutely positioned background element?

2006-01-30 Thread Kevin Newsum
Ok, silly question here perhaps, but considerable poking around hasn't
uncovered an answer to date.  I have a single background color and two
distinct background elements that I would like to position absolutely, one
upper right corner no repeat and the other lower left corner no repeat.

I can position one of them absolutely, and apply the bgcolor, with no
problem.  But I'm unable to find a tried and true method to place both,
seperately.  The predominant bg color would be the same throughout, and both
items that would be placed are the same color, for what it's worth.

Sure that's clear as mud.   Thanks in advance for anyone who can help
provide an answer.
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Re: [css-d] more than one absolutely positioned background element?

2006-01-30 Thread Martin Heiden
Kevin,

on Monday, January 30, 2006 at 16:22 Kevin Newsum wrote:

 Ok, silly question here perhaps, but considerable poking around hasn't
 uncovered an answer to date.  I have a single background color and two
 distinct background elements that I would like to position absolutely, one
 upper right corner no repeat and the other lower left corner no repeat.

I guess you need something like that:

div id=backg1
  div id=backg2
content goes here...
  /div
/div

#backg1 {
   background: red url(/img/background1.png) no-repeat top right;
}
#backg2 {
   background: transparent url(/img/background2.png) no-repeat bottom left;
}

regards

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[css-d] Best Practices for Development - Screen Setting

2006-01-30 Thread dpgirago
Howdy,

I've been reading posts to this list for a couple of weeks now, and given
the complexities of getting consistent or reasonable web page display, I'm
wondering what screen resolution folks use when developing their sites? Any
consensus about what might be considered a best practice in this area?

David


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Re: [css-d] Best Practices for Development - Screen Setting

2006-01-30 Thread Christian Heilmann
 Howdy,

 I've been reading posts to this list for a couple of weeks now, and given
 the complexities of getting consistent or reasonable web page display, I'm
 wondering what screen resolution folks use when developing their sites? Any
 consensus about what might be considered a best practice in this area?

Depends what you do. Generally your test box should be a different one
than the development machine, as it is too easy to overlook issues
when you are too close to it. Personally I use a 1024x laptop with an
external 1280 monitor.

That is OFF-TOPIC though, isn't it?

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Re: [css-d] A big difference between FF 1.5 nd IE 6

2006-01-30 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
MARG wrote:
 http://www.dte.ua.pt/portulano/index.html

 you'll notice a big difference between Firefox and IE 6 (for worst).

Shorten this _line_ you have created...

Editorial
br /
_
br /br /

...or get rid of it altogether. Such lines are better created with
borders on width-controlled elements.

IE6 is expanding the '.editorial' container to make that line fit,
causing the entire '.block4' to become too wide and drop below '.block3'.
Firefox (as all good browsers) OTOH will respect the width set on those
elements, thus keeping everything in place.

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[css-d] Problem with Width setting in IE Firefox

2006-01-30 Thread Zach Byrd
Hi,
I set the width(of the body) for a site I am currently
working on to 100% in the CSS. But, for some reason
the scroll bar is at the bottom, and I have to scroll
to the right slightly to see the whole page. I thought
when the width was set to 100%, this was to avoid this
type of problem.(Shouldn't it adjust to the users
screen without a scroll bar) I would appreciate any
feedback!


 Thank
you, 
 Zach Byrd 

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Re: [css-d] Problem with Width setting in IE Firefox

2006-01-30 Thread cj
without a live page to look at, i would guess that you put one of the
following on the same element that you made width 100% (in this case
body):

- right or left margin
- right or left padding
- right or left border

since the box model the w3c decided to go with makes the *content*
part of the element 100%, the margin, padding, and border are all
added *outside* of the 100%, which creates horizontal scrolling.

this page of the wiki has links to pages that give illustrations:
http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=BoxModel

and this one offers some more explanation:
http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=ElementWidth
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[css-d] problem with table rows

2006-01-30 Thread Marty Martin
I have a table that looks like this (shortened for email)-

table class=mapSearch
tr
td class=leftimg 
src=images/google-map/house-green-white.png
width=16 height=16 alt= //td
td class=leftinput type=checkbox name=green 
value=green //td
td class=leftlabel $100,000/label/td
/tr
tr
td class=leftimg 
src=images/google-map/house-blue-white.png
width=16 height=16 alt= //td
td class=leftinput type=checkbox name=blue 
value=blue //td
td class=leftlabel$100,000 - $199,999/label/td
/tr
/table

My styles for the table are--

table.mapSearch {
border-collapse: collapse;
margin: 0 auto;
}
table.mapSearch input {
border: 0 none;
}
table.mapSearch tr {
height: 20px;
}

When I view this in IE, the table rows seem to have the correct
height, whereas in FF they seem to have too much height.  Can someone
explain to me how to get the height to display in FF like it does in
IE?

http://www.roanokehousehunter.com/

Thanks!
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Re: [css-d] problem with table rows

2006-01-30 Thread Kenny Graham
Add
margin-top: 0; margin-bottom: 0;
to your table.mapSearch input rule
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Re: [css-d] problem with table rows

2006-01-30 Thread Paul Kahl

When I view this in IE, the table rows seem to have the correct
height, whereas in FF they seem to have too much height.  Can someone
explain to me how to get the height to display in FF like it does in
IE?



Don't forget that cellspacing is not yet an attribute of CSS. As a rule, I
always put cellspacing=0 and cellpadding=0 in my table declarations, and
handle actual padding in cells from inside the CSS. 

Thus:

table class=mapSearch cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0

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Re: [css-d] 'One True Layout' doing odd things in IE/Win

2006-01-30 Thread Seona Bellamy
On 30/01/06, Al Sparber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 There are markup errors on the page. Try fixing those first and
 perhaps that will fix IE. In any event, it's best to fix those errors.
 If you're not sure where they are, run the page through the W3
 validator:


Oops. *blush* This is what happens when you pinch code from older projects
and don't check it properly first. Well, that explains the image and
javascript errors. The two errors regarding lists are a little more
problematic:

The data there comes from the database. It's set up so that the lastest
article is selected and it's title, image and a text fragment are shown on
the front page. It's this text fragment that is causing the problem, and as
far as I can see will always cause a problem. Because I'm specifying a set
number of characters and saying stop showing the text at this point, and
add the dots and a link to the article, there will always be an unfinished
list, paragraph, heading, or something.

Is there a way around this, or do I just have to wear the error? Is it
something that's likely to cause problems further down the page?

Oh, and on the subject of the IE problem, I fixed that. Turns out I forgot
to include the fix for the Doubled Float-Margin Bug. *more blushing* I feel
silly now.

Cheers,

Seona.
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[css-d] Display issue with Firefox

2006-01-30 Thread Troy Brophy
Please take a look at this page in both IE and Firefox:

 

http://www.wexom.com/tests/test1.htm

 

Notice that in IE, the blue/pink containers are touching the empty, bounded
container above. Also notice that the grey-banded container(s)-which are all
nested in a single parent DIV-are positioned 60px lower than the pink box
(which is floated to the right).

 

This 60px is the top margin of the grey container DIV. 

 

This is how I want the page to display.

 

In Firefox, the top margin of 60px, applied to the grey container DIV
mentioned above, is actually being applied to its parent: the DIV containing
all the colored boxes.

As a result, the grey and pink containers start side-by-side, and the 60px
margin is now separating the top, empty, bounded DIV from the bottom DIV.

 

Any idea why this is happening in Firefox? More importantly, any idea how to
make Firefox behave as IE is behaving?

 

Thanks,

Troy

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[css-d] Using the CSS Validator

2006-01-30 Thread Donna
Hi Everyone,


I've entered in my css style sheet into the 'CSS ONLY' field at the
bottom  there at the CSS Validator;  No Errors and No Warnings.  OK, now
I'm confused about how to validate the rest of my pages.  I've uploaded
the pages to Yahoo Geocities until I get web space paid for. When I
enter it into the  Validate by URI field (the first option), I get a
message I've never seen before.  Can someone help? Here's the link of
the page I'm trying to validate:  http://www.geocities.com/sswd51/index.html

Any help is appreciated deeply.

Thank You All!

Donna 
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Re: [css-d] Using the CSS Validator

2006-01-30 Thread Bjoern Hoehrmann
* Donna wrote:
I've entered in my css style sheet into the 'CSS ONLY' field at the
bottom  there at the CSS Validator;  No Errors and No Warnings.  OK, now
I'm confused about how to validate the rest of my pages.  I've uploaded
the pages to Yahoo Geocities until I get web space paid for. When I
enter it into the  Validate by URI field (the first option), I get a
message I've never seen before.  Can someone help? Here's the link of
the page I'm trying to validate:  http://www.geocities.com/sswd51/index.html

It seems geocities.com adds some markup to your document where such
markup is not allowed. If you look at the source, you'll note that it
begins with script language=JavaScript... but the script element
is allowed only after the !DOCTYPE (to mention just one problem). Well,
the best solution is probably to simply not use geocities.com.
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Re: [css-d] Using the CSS Validator

2006-01-30 Thread Design Groups
It's because you have invalid characters on your page.  Most likely, you got
the content from a Microsoft Word document, instead of a plain text file?
And you just copied and pasted it?  Microsoft Word (and other formattable
writing programs) use different characters for things like  and - and other
such stuff.  So when you actually look at your page through a browser, such
characters will show up as question marks - because it doesn't know what to
make of them.  You have to replace them all this plain text characters.
(This is why, in my contract, it states that all content comes to me in a
plain text file format.  If it comes in any other format, I charge by the
hour to fix things like this.)

So, you have these weird characters in the sidebar:

.. Respected Long Island Counselor/ Educator ? providing counseling
efforts..

.. A women of inspiring integrity ? on fire ..

There are several more of these.  Just go through and you'll find them - but
so far, I only see them in the sidebar.

~Shelly 

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Re: [css-d] Using the CSS Validator

2006-01-30 Thread Cem Meric
 
 I've entered in my css style sheet into the 'CSS ONLY' field at the
 bottom  there at the CSS Validator;  No Errors and No Warnings.  OK, now
 I'm confused about how to validate the rest of my pages.  I've uploaded
 the pages to Yahoo Geocities until I get web space paid for. When I
 enter it into the  Validate by URI field (the first option), I get a
 message I've never seen before.  Can someone help? Here's the link of
 the page I'm trying to validate:
 http://www.geocities.com/sswd51/index.html
 
 Any help is appreciated deeply.
 
 Thank You All!
 
 Donna


Hi Donna,

It's normal to get No Referer header found while you're on Geocities. 

Try copy/paste your code directly to http://validator.w3.org/ for the time
being until you find a proper host. Below is what I get for your pages;

Result: Passed validation
File:   upload: //Form Submission
Encoding:   utf-8
Doctype:XHTML 1.0 Transitional
Root Namespace: http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml

It looks like you're on the right path. 

Regards, 
Cem Meric

Kalkadoon
Corporate Solutions


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Re: [css-d] Display issue with Firefox

2006-01-30 Thread Roger Roelofs
Troy,

On Jan 30, 2006, at 8:50 PM, Troy Brophy wrote:

 Please take a look at this page in both IE and Firefox:
 http://www.wexom.com/tests/test1.htm

 Notice that in IE, the blue/pink containers are touching the empty, 
 bounded
 container above. Also notice that the grey-banded container(s)-which 
 are all
 nested in a single parent DIV-are positioned 60px lower than the pink 
 box
 (which is floated to the right).

You are seeing 'collapsing margins'  Check out this wiki article 
http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=CollapsingMargin for details.  
In your case, the easiest solution is to add a 1px white top border.

hth
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Re: [css-d] Display issue with Firefox

2006-01-30 Thread francky
Roger Roelofs wrote:

In your case, the easiest solution is to add a 1px white top border.
  

Hi Troy and Roelof,
Another solution is replacing the { margin: 60px 0 0 0; } of the 
container for the grey stuff by a { padding: 60px 0 0 0; }, I found.

francky
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[css-d] background image peeking out from behind DIV - rounding error?

2006-01-30 Thread Don Hinshaw
Hello list,
I have a background image on my body tag that is ostensibly the same 
width as the DIV that contains the main body of text and sits partially 
on top of the background image.
The problem is that when I resize IE/Win (and Opera 8.5) to right around 
850px wide, the DIV becomes i pixel narrower and the background image 
peeks out along the right edge creating an unsightly line. Smaller and 
larger viewports cause the line to disappear.

The basic page is here: http://66.117.159.181/for_retailers_contact.php
and the CSS is here: http://66.117.159.181/pkp_styles.css

It doesn't exactly seem to fit the description of a rounding error, but 
to be honest, I don't have a really good grasp on what that means.

Thank you for any help!

Don
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