Re: [css-d] Formating Table Columns
Hi Anas [EMAIL PROTECTED] :-) On 14/08/06, Anas R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm trying to give a table colum some special attributs using CSS, Good use of col but I'm afraid that Firefox (and Opera) are following the spec. [1] and IE is not, e.g. see [2] which links to a nice explanation at [3] -- only border, background, width visibility can be applied to col and colgroup columns [1]. The css-d wiki [2] suggests some alternatives that you could use, e.g. combining CSS2 selectors and IE-specific rules. For forwards compatibility with IE7 [4] you're usually recommended to use conditional comments to hide the IE-only stylesheet /but/ I've no idea if IE7 will preserve the ability to apply more than the 4 properties to columns -- anyone? HTH, James [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/tables.html#q4 [2] http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=StylingColumns [3] http://ln.hixie.ch/?start=1070385285amp;count=1 [4] http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7b2 testing hub -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Sliding door rounded corner boxes
Thanks again Francky, I didn't even think the images were too small! I will look further at your example soon, but have to move on. The extra mark-up in the CSS file are for other pages. All pages will have a menu bar, header and border surrounding the content. The content will either be split further by using some more of the positioning or like the two examples so far, just a simple div or two. If you have a look at some of the other pages on the site (all table based, none of which I coded!) you will see some of the structures I've started coding the CSS for. However, the bottom of the two pages so far are still a mess, I cannot use a single image (customer says so) for the shop div so I tried setting one as a background image shifted left and the img in the div floated right. However, the right-hand edge gets pushed out and the background image does not show at all! Finally, I have to get the pages working in IE, the customer couldn't give a damn about standards, they use IE and believe that every one but a few do (98.6% of all visitors to their site!). But I want to understand the reasons there are differences and try and make them work in all browsers, even at the expense of a little more effort. Regards Pete -Original Message- From: francky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 August 2006 04:44 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org Subject: Re: [css-d] Sliding door rounded corner boxes Pete Home wrote: I'm getting so frustrated with this. I'm assuming that certain TAGs break the flow within this technique therefore interrupting the image outlines causing what looks like breaks in the border for instance. My site is very standard in layout with basically a top menu, header, content and footer (see www.cityboxer.com/gambling/betting.htm). I want the content to always have a rounded corner border. Francky fixed the problems in FF with this page, so I then replaced the content with a form and saved it as www.cityboxer.com/newsite/contact/contact_form/register_form1.htm) and it all goes wrong again. Has anyone used this technique as a template for many other sorts of pages? Regards Pete Aha! Don't give up! Assumption wrong... I took some screen shots, and yes: * the corner box has a height of 765px (in resolution 1024x768, font-size normal in FF), * the box_bottomleft.gif and box_bottomright.gif are 700px in height, * we can see a gap of 65px at the top (for the images are positioned at the bottom of the div). * ;-) Can be solved in 2 ways: 1. extending the images in height, for the method is based upon images as high as the max. box you need. 2. using repeated-y images of 1px height for the left and right borders (and appropriate css). This is exactly the reason why I prefer the method 2 template: always self-adapting, no worry about a new page which can have more height as the page you developed the big images for, - which appear to be not big enough. As I said 13-08 (or 08-13): O, the box is breaking also at large font sizes. I guess because of not enough height of the box_bottomleft.gif and box_bottomright.gif. Method 2 is used in my earlier testpage c http://home.tiscali.nl/developerscorner/css-discuss/test-betting-c.htm. I used that page (exactly the the same css) to paste a long form in it: testpage d http://home.tiscali.nl/developerscorner/css-discuss/test-betting-d.htm. :-) Greetings, francky __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7b2 testing hub -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] IE bug? Left-floated nav bar flickers in IE only Getting IE to show
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks, Francky
I don't want to abuse your goodwill, but I am now having problems with my
SECOND site. This site looks a lot like the first one, since the two are twin
sites and requested an identical look (school site and PTA site).
This is an IE issue. The content does not render (paint) on the page until
the user highlights the area with the cursor. Hovering over the area is not
enough, you have to click and hold the cursor as if highighting a block of
text. This reveals the hidden content in the bodyof the page, and sometimes in
the header as well.
I have seen descriptions of this bug somewhere but nothing that seems to apply
to my site. Any help will be appreciated.
URL for html page: http://cpotochny.com/ElCarmelo/index.html
URL for CSS page: http://cpotochny.com/ElCarmelo/ElCarmelo.css
Christine
Hi Christine,
First thing I tried was working :-) : add {position: relative}[1] to the
#Header and the #contentHome: testpage
http://home.tiscali.nl/developerscorner/css-discuss/test-ElCarmeloElementary.htm.
Greetings,
Francky
Btw: the Links of Interest sidebar is peeping out of the page
background in FF - maybe a {float: right} for the sidebar is better than
{position:absolute}, which is placing it out of the normal flow. The
sidebar html can be placed then just after the left-floating
#navigation, making space for the content in between. The content can
get a margin-right with some more of the width of the sidebar, to stay
in it's column. - I hope. ;-)
[1]
More about the {position: relative}fix and other IE troubles/fixes:
Holly John's How To Attack An Internet Explorer (Win) Display Bug on
CommMX http://www.communitymx.com/content/article.cfm?cid=C37E0.
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[css-d] Site Check
Hi Guys I am building a three column site at: http://kites.swmug.co.uk/ http://kites.swmug.co.uk/wp-content/themes/kites/style.css The middle column seems to be disappearing. Can people see in it in Internet Explorer please and if not why is it disappearing please? Thanks -- Rich http://www.cregy.co.uk Embracing what God does for you is the best thing you can do for him. Romans 12 v 1 __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7b2 testing hub -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] Safari issue with background images
I'm having an issue with Safari not displaying various background images. The site is http://www.smashjobs.com and the issue is intermittent - it does not happen in my development environment using lighttpd as a server, but only occurs on the remote server. For instance, at present I can see the background images in the header at the above homepage, but not at this page: http:// www.smashjobs.com/advertisements/show/16 The xhtml and the CSS validates, although is a little messy in parts. Any clues would be appreciated. -- Richard Sandilands __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7b2 testing hub -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Center-wrap list menu in FF on full width image
--- francky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sandra Davis wrote: I could use another pair of eyes on this fluid-width design at this point. http://www.keshavhowe.com/7/index.php [...] Hi Sandra, Euh, maybe also the eyes of the html-validator can help? ;-) html-validator analyse http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.keshavhowe.com%2F7%2Findex.php. Right - I'm fully aware of this forum and their near constant advice to validate first before posting. So I did. I validated amap pages before I wrote this forum. The errors remaining on the pages I'm living with for the moment. For example - that I declare the same content div id twice in the main page is non-impacting my issue with the menu in the header. I will address eventually however. I am aware of the validator and its place in my work product. And, oops, the css-validator http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?profile=css2warning=2uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.keshavhowe.com%2F7%2Fcss%2Fkeshav.css? Again, the validator report items that are non-impacting to the menu. I have the menu in separate page files, in separate css files, in separately named css classes ids, so it's very easy to focus just on it's performance without my pulling in every piece of code for the entire site. And yes, of course - the validator picked up my IE hacks, my EOT font use, my hack for opacity, etc. Yet none of my IE hacks are in question for me in writing this - I'm looking to center in Firefox. Sandra __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7b2 testing hub -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Center-wrap list menu in FF on full width image
Sandra Davis wrote: http://www.keshavhowe.com/7/index.php Right - I'm fully aware of this forum and their near constant advice to validate first before posting. So I did. Fine. FYI: at least some of us can see the difference between what matters and what doesn't, and you're right: 'technical validation'[1] doesn't help one bit for your layout-problems. The fact that you are misusing elements and styling for IE, can't be picked up by any validator. Almost anything can be made to pass those validators without being in accordance with standards and without working as expected. Thus, it's of no use to talk about 'technical validation' here. Regarding your centering-problem: 1: IE/win isn't centering anything properly - not before and not now. It's just jumping between its own bugs and non-standard behavior in ways no other browser can replicate. 2: Given the same conditions and proper styling: Firefox 1.5.0.6 is lining up the essential parts like IE6 - minus the annoying jumping and other IE-bugs. It even makes the hut appear at exactly the same window-width as IE6 does. Same in other browsers. You have not added the suggested styles, so Firefox isn't given anything to act on. Firefox doesn't have, and can't replicate, IE's bugs and non-standard behavior. It needs proper styling. 3: You clearly can't, or won't, test beyond fairly limited window-dimensions and conditions, so it's of no use to point out avoidable design-weaknesses. They will end up at the user-end no matter what. The solution is to either live with an only works as expected in some versions of IE design, add some styling and make it work somewhat in most browsers, or to re-think and re-do the entire layout in accordance with standards and make it work more or less everywhere. regards Georg [1]http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/html/validation.html -- http://www.gunlaug.no __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7b2 testing hub -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] image map in fluid layout and site check please
I have a map of our state with all of the counties as hotspots and need to put them into my (first) fluid layout. Does anyone have an idea of how I handle this. Using an old map as a test (much nicer map to come) it lost all the linking abilities when made fluid. Also, if anyone has any suggestions on how to improve the site, please let me know. page with map: http://www.unc.edu/~kersgard/randr/counties.htm home page: http://www.unc.edu/~kersgard/randr/index.htm Thanks much, Miki __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7b2 testing hub -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Centering text to graphical bullets.
Christy Collins wrote:
On Aug 11, 2006, at 3:20 PM, Rachel Wright wrote:
I have an unordered list with graphical bullets and I need to
center the
text vertically to the graphical bullets. How do I do this?
Something like:
li{
background: #fff url(image.gif) no-repeat 45% left;
}
tweaked to actually center the bullet
see:
http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listamatic/vertical05.htm
This works if the text is only one line long. If it wraps onto two or
more lines, the background image is going to be centered in regards to
the entire height of the list item, which is probably not what you want.
I recommend using a small em value, like .3em, to nudge your background
image down and keep it roughly centered with the first line of text no
matter how many more come after it.
Zoe
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Re: [css-d] image map in fluid layout and site check please
Miki Kersgard wrote: I have a map of our state with all of the counties as hotspots and need to put them into my (first) fluid layout. Does anyone have an idea of how I handle this. Using an old map as a test (much nicer map to come) it lost all the linking abilities when made fluid. Add usemap as reference to image... img usemap=#MapMap src=images/mapwname.gif ...and it'll work just fine. page with map: http://www.unc.edu/~kersgard/randr/counties.htm regards Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7b2 testing hub -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] @page and IE6
Hi,
I'm trying get a print stylesheet to force the user agent to print a
page landscape so I'm using:
@page {size:landscape;}
This works fine in Firefox but not IE6. Does anyone have any info on this?
Thank you,
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Re: [css-d] Center-wrap list menu in FF on full width image
--- Gunlaug Sørtun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3: You clearly can't, or won't, test beyond fairly limited window-dimensions and conditions, so it's of no use to point out avoidable design-weaknesses. They will end up at the user-end no matter what. The solution is to either live with an only works as expected in some versions of IE design, add some styling and make it work somewhat in most browsers, or to re-think and re-do the entire layout in accordance with standards and make it work more or less everywhere. Yes, I remember the painful decision to step away from standards everywhere with this client. It's a kludge at this point. I agree. This layout is definitely killing some end user experiences. Client-insistence is strong in favor for the too dark, line reading width too long. Only IE 6 and above, if that. No screen readers... 100% fluid width not consistent. No 800px, not even 1024! I butchered a full working standards-template to get it to this current beauty. Yes IE jumps... Barely getting just FF IE addressed. Statistics show 50-50% these 2, with 1% other browser use likely generated from testing, 1% IE 5 not past 2001. Definitely at the work somewhat stage. I've now decided to do a major pruning and just go back to a only-for-FF story board with header-footer, otherwise empty body/wrapper. I'll post if success. Yes weird on the earlier del comment, it was a early AM hack for IE, it has to go anyway for even a minimal degrade to work at this point. __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7b2 testing hub -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] @page and IE6
Morning Eva
You wrote
Hi,
I'm trying get a print stylesheet to force the user agent to print a
page landscape so I'm using:
@page {size:landscape;}
This works fine in Firefox but not IE6. Does anyone have any info on this?
Thank you,
Eva
The CSS-D wiki [1], while a bit dated, has info on this. IE 6 does not
support the @page rule for forcing landscape printing. I haven't tested IE
7b3 to so can't tell you if it supports the @page rule or not.
hth
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Re: [css-d] @page and IE6
Jim Nannery wrote:
Morning Eva
You wrote
Hi,
I'm trying get a print stylesheet to force the user agent to print a
page landscape so I'm using:
@page {size:landscape;}
This works fine in Firefox but not IE6. Does anyone have any info on this?
Thank you,
Eva
The CSS-D wiki [1], while a bit dated, has info on this. IE 6 does not
support the @page rule for forcing landscape printing. I haven't tested IE
7b3 to so can't tell you if it supports the @page rule or not.
hth
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Re: [css-d] Sliding door rounded corner boxes
OK, I seem to have sorted out most things, with only a couple of small errors in IE. I assume that this is where I need the hacks. I now have 3 pages, www.cityboxer.com/gambling/betting.htm and www.cityboxer.com/gambling/betting2.htm have similar problems with the bottom #shop etc www.cityboxer.com/newsite/contact/contact_form/register_form1.asp seems to be expanded vertically for some reason which is causing the same problem with the images (I know Francky's solution should solve this, but I still cannot get my head around it and anyway the expanded layout is a pain) Any ideas? Regards Pete -Original Message- From: francky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 August 2006 04:44 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org Subject: Re: [css-d] Sliding door rounded corner boxes Pete Home wrote: I'm getting so frustrated with this. I'm assuming that certain TAGs break the flow within this technique therefore interrupting the image outlines causing what looks like breaks in the border for instance. My site is very standard in layout with basically a top menu, header, content and footer (see www.cityboxer.com/gambling/betting.htm). I want the content to always have a rounded corner border. Francky fixed the problems in FF with this page, so I then replaced the content with a form and saved it as www.cityboxer.com/newsite/contact/contact_form/register_form1.htm) and it all goes wrong again. Has anyone used this technique as a template for many other sorts of pages? Regards Pete Aha! Don't give up! Assumption wrong... I took some screen shots, and yes: * the corner box has a height of 765px (in resolution 1024x768, font-size normal in FF), * the box_bottomleft.gif and box_bottomright.gif are 700px in height, * we can see a gap of 65px at the top (for the images are positioned at the bottom of the div). * ;-) Can be solved in 2 ways: 1. extending the images in height, for the method is based upon images as high as the max. box you need. 2. using repeated-y images of 1px height for the left and right borders (and appropriate css). This is exactly the reason why I prefer the method 2 template: always self-adapting, no worry about a new page which can have more height as the page you developed the big images for, - which appear to be not big enough. As I said 13-08 (or 08-13): O, the box is breaking also at large font sizes. I guess because of not enough height of the box_bottomleft.gif and box_bottomright.gif. Method 2 is used in my earlier testpage c http://home.tiscali.nl/developerscorner/css-discuss/test-betting-c.htm. I used that page (exactly the the same css) to paste a long form in it: testpage d http://home.tiscali.nl/developerscorner/css-discuss/test-betting-d.htm. :-) Greetings, francky __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7b2 testing hub -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] wierd safari problem
Ingo Chao wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have a look here on safari I get a strange 40px on the left hand side, the map seems to repeat a portion of itself.. http://edinburghrooftops.com/jeffrey_street/jeffrey_st_location.php Your bg-image is wider than its container, and it is offset to the right. I think it is http://bugzilla.opendarwin.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3237 still wrong in Safari 2.0.4 Fixed in current nightly builds. Unrelated to this, you should not use inline styles. Ok, you may use inline styles to taste. It would be nice to get a reply if my 15 min to search your bug did help. Ingo -- http://www.satzansatz.de/css.html __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7b2 testing hub -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] DIV spacing renders differently in IE and Firefox
I can't for the life of me seem to figure out why the spacing between certain DIVs in the web page I'm working on are rendering differently in IE and Firefox. Sample page: http://www3.law.northwestern.edu/faculty/profiles/JamesSpeta/ The spacing between the last list item in Areas of Expertise and the Courses heading (and between the last item under Courses and the Publications heading) should be the same as the spacing separating the rest of the sections lower down on the page. The way it looks in IE 6 is the way I want it to look. However, in Firefox, the top three sections are squished together. If I add spacing to accommodate Firefox, then there is too much space in IE. I have a feeling the issue has to do with some conflict between the section div and the 2-column divs I'm using under Areas of Expertise and Courses, but I can't figure out how to fix it. I don't think this is related to the box model problem, though, as my column divs only have width set and the problem is in the top/bottom spacing not left/right. Any ideas for how I can get it to match across browsers? Janet Chang Communications Editor Northwestern University School of Law http://www.law.northwestern.edu __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7b2 testing hub -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] DIV spacing renders differently in IE and Firefox
Janet Chang wrote:
I can't for the life of me seem to figure out why the spacing between
certain DIVs in the web page I'm working on are rendering differently in IE
and Firefox.
Me either.
Sample page: http://www3.law.northwestern.edu/faculty/profiles/JamesSpeta/
The spacing between the last list item in Areas of Expertise and the
Courses heading (and between the last item under Courses and the
Publications heading) should be the same as the spacing separating the
rest of the sections lower down on the page.
.section h2 {
padding-top: 17px;
}
* html .section h2 {
padding-top: 0;
Janet Chang
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[css-d] Relative Positioning / Floats and Document Flow
Hi everyone, I've got a bit of funk on my hands. http://test.iisd.org/revamp/ The issue is with the 'Our Knowledge' link it turns on a hidden div using JavaScript. The problem is, it takes up all space in the regular document flow, which is no good. I just want it to float. I wanted to use relative positioning so that when the browser resizes, the div is in the proper location. Which isn't the case with an absolutely positions div. Any ideas people? The CSS file is here http://test.iisd.org/revamp/main.css I gata be doing something dumb here... Thanks for any info. __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7b2 testing hub -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] DIV spacing renders differently in IE and Firefox
Janet Chang wrote:
http://www3.law.northwestern.edu/faculty/profiles/JamesSpeta/
The way it looks in IE 6 is the way I want it to look. However, in
Firefox, the top three sections are squished together. If I add
spacing to accommodate Firefox, then there is too much space in IE.
[...]I don't think this is related to the box model problem, though,
as my column divs only have width set and the problem is in the
top/bottom spacing not left/right.
Any ideas for how I can get it to match across browsers?
Yes, IE got it wrong, as the 'width' acts as a 'hasLayout'[1] trigger,
making it expand the containers.
Add (as a test)...
div#content div {overflow: hidden; *overflow: visible;}
...which will make it appear as you want.
Then use the most suitable one of the properties that enforces a
'block formatting context'[2] in standard-compliant browsers, only to
the correct containers. That'll give you a match.
regards
Georg
[1]http://www.satzansatz.de/cssd/onhavinglayout.html
[2]http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/visuren.html#q15
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[css-d] [off-topic] FriendlyURL or Permalinks
Hi, How I make to make FriendlyURL or Permalinks using IIS (Windows) as I make with Apache .htaccess? Thanks, J. Robson __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7b2 testing hub -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] DIV spacing renders differently in IE and Firefox
At 03:00 PM 8/15/2006, David Laakso wrote:
Janet Chang wrote:
I can't for the life of me seem to figure out why the spacing between
certain DIVs in the web page I'm working on are rendering differently in
IE and Firefox.
Me either.
Sample page: http://www3.law.northwestern.edu/faculty/profiles/JamesSpeta/
The spacing between the last list item in Areas of Expertise and the
Courses heading (and between the last item under Courses and the
Publications heading) should be the same as the spacing separating the
rest of the sections lower down on the page.
.section h2 {
padding-top: 17px;
}
* html .section h2 {
padding-top: 0;
Janet Chang
~dL
Thanks for the reply. I tried that, too, but it also increased the space
between the lower sections so that they remained uneven with that of the
top three sections.
As another course of action, I tried deleting clear:both in my div.section,
and instead added a br / tag after the Areas of Expertise and Courses
sections and set br {clear: both} in my CSS.
Now it looks correct in Firefox, but the spacing is too narrow in IE (!?!)
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Re: [css-d] [off-topic] FriendlyURL or Permalinks
J Robson wrote Hi, How I make to make FriendlyURL or Permalinks using IIS (Windows) as I make with Apache .htaccess? Thanks, J. Robson Try one of the discussion lists in the off topic [1] page of the CSS-D Wiki I'm sure you'll have better luck getting the answer you seek... [1] http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=OffTopic Jim Nannery www.backporchgames.com __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7b2 testing hub -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] Safari screw up
Usually Safari is the browser that works for everything, but the
following page works on Mac versions of FF and IE perfectly and
completely breaks on Safari. I have validated both the xhtml and the
CSS. Can anyone help me?
It seems to be ignoring the div background colors and screwing up the
absolute positioning. I've gone over and over the code, pulling
sections and looking for small errors and can find nothing.
http://www.communityassemblies.org/staging/index_nan.php
(It has a php extension because there is some php code in it that I
have removed, though it causes the same problem regardless of the
extension or the code.)
The styles that relate to the divs are included below.
--Kenoli
body {
background-color: #E5;
position:absolute;
left:11px;
top:12px;
width:722px;
height:768px;
z-index:1;
}
#header {
position:absolute;
width:703px;
height:107px;
z-index:5;
left: 4px;
top: 3px;
}
#column_right { overflow: scroll; }
#link_bar {
position:absolute;
width:725px;
height:18px;
z-index:6;
top: 162px;
left: -2px;
background-color: #E5;
border: 1px none #00;
}
#vertical_bar {
position:absolute;
left:-1px;
top:193px;
width:5px;
height:388px;
z-index:7;
background-color: #CC9933;
border: 1px none #00;
}
#left_nav {
position:absolute;
width:155px;
height:278px;
z-index:4;
left: 8px;
top: 195px;
background-color: #CC;
border: 1px none #00;
padding-left: 8px;
}
#consult {
position:absolute;
width:147px;
height:87px;
z-index:10;
left: 8px;
top: 478px;
border: solid black 0px;
padding: 8px;
background-color: #CC9933;
#main_text {
position:absolute;
left: 179px;
top: 192px;
width:413px;
height:388px;
z-index:3;
}
#main_text_header {
position:absolute;
width:108px;
height:32px;
z-index:2;
left: 4px;
top: 10px;
}
#nan_def {
position:absolute;
width:176px;
height:73px;
z-index:2;
left: 11px;
top: 59px;
text-align:
left;
}
#main_text_image {
position:absolute;
left: 201px;
top: 10px;
width:199px;
height:120px;
z-index:2;
}
#main_text_text {
position:absolute;
width:395px;
height:221px;
z-index:2;
left: 5px;
top: 147px;
}
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Re: [css-d] need help to get rid of my table (newbie)
ok thanx to all I'm going to try this. On 8/14/06, David Laakso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the meantime, this may give you an idea for one approach to what I guess(?) you are attempting: http://www.chelseacreekstudio.com/cats.html it looks like it has been deleted from the server, i dont have the net at home so i can only connect once a day from a net cafe for now. Could you put it back please or send it by mail :) ? though I'm sure I'll be ok with Jon's explanation so dont bother if you dont have time. PS Remember to start with a doctype. thanx for the advice Pat __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7b2 testing hub -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Center-wrap list menu in FF on full width image
--- Gunlaug Sørtun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Not really, but I can add a suggestion now :-)
htmlbody del.container {width: 100%; max-width: 1024px; margin: 0
auto; display: table; }
...which must be the strangest element-choice any menu have been
centered in so far. Do you really mean to del(ete) that menu?
Anyway, the addition above will make Firefox line up that menu like
IE6 does on any screen from around 540 to well above 3800 in
window-width - with the exception of a few exclusive IE-bugs and the
fact that IE6 is fed differently arranged source-code.
Georg - it's centered now on both. Thank you. Your code centered on FF,
uncentered on IE (which is better! I agree with all the comments here
noticing that my IE code is hack atop of hack.).
I took off the width:100%, and the IE went back to its error-proned
jump to center yet the FF stayed put (centered). So both centered.
Super.
I limp forward. I severely regret abandoning my tried true design
practices for this client friend back in February.
If you looked at the running site http://www.keshavhowe.com you'll see
just how far his true tastes weren't being reflected in his beta blue
site (the site helped with, on its /7/ seventh iteration...)
At least now I have a good story to tell in upcoming semester classes
where I am invited to speak on undergraduate software design work.
The never-ending kludge... why to run lean and mean from the get-go.
Sandra
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Re: [css-d] Center-wrap list menu in FF on full width image
Sandra Davis wrote: [...] Yes, I remember the painful decision to step away from standards everywhere with this client. It's a kludge at this point. I agree. This layout is definitely killing some end user experiences. Client-insistence is strong in favor for the too dark, line reading width too long. Only IE 6 and above, if that. No screen readers... 100% fluid width not consistent. No 800px, not even 1024! I butchered a full working standards-template to get it to this current beauty. Hi Sandra, Yes, client is king; but he should know the visitor has to be the emperor - in case the goal is to attract reading visitors, and not to have a beauty of a site under some special conditions... *) Yes IE jumps... Barely getting just FF IE addressed. Statistics show 50-50% these 2, with 1% other browser use likely generated from testing, 1% IE 5 not past 2001. Definitely at the work somewhat stage. I've now decided to do a major pruning and just go back to a only-for-FF story board with header-footer, otherwise empty body/wrapper. I'll post if success. Yes weird on the earlier del comment, it was a early AM hack for IE, it has to go anyway for even a minimal degrade to work at this point. I was looking for the FF-center-problem, and isolating the menu I discovered: * It is also IE which doesn't center the menu-items properly. That becomes visible if the site is viewed in 1024x768px: then the Testimonials item is on the 2nd line, but on the left side instead of centered. * Made a 1st testpage http://home.tiscali.nl/developerscorner/css-discuss/test-keshav-a.htm. Result (viewed in 1280x1024px without a sidebar): in FF the menu has a gap at the right side, the second line is leftsided. Though in IE the menu is centered (and the second line leftsided too). * Then made a 2nd testpage http://home.tiscali.nl/developerscorner/css-discuss/test-keshav-b.htm. Only difference: replaced the del.../del by a normal div.../div set. Result: in FF exactly the same as the first testpage. IE however is now acting in the same way as FF. My conclusions: * It is pure coincidence that IE is centering with the del-hack. And: the del-hack is only partially: at wrapping because of a smaller window the second line is not centered. * The centering of all containers around the menu-ul is perfect in both testpages in all browsers (as in the original), just doing what is expected according to the w3c rules. * It must be the positioning of the list-items inside the menu-ul. Indeed a common css problem, and no direct relationship with any validation. ;-) So I think the centering problem can be solved, with for example the Sons of Suckerfish as a good starting point. Must be possible for FF and IE and others as well - with some special arrangements for ... (guess who) IE. :-) See testpage Centered Suckerfish http://home.tiscali.nl/developerscorner/css-discuss/test-suckerfish-centered.htm. **) It doesn't say everything, like Georg pointed, but ... it validates (html and css). Greetings, francky btw: Maybe there can be saved some download time, if you make a div around the header and the menu together, and put 1 combined mountain image in it as background. *) The website in this way is the opposite of his own philosophy: So, let go of the strategies to control and manipulate life and simply let it be. (...) Together we can play in the Dream of Unity that has been here all long! Unity in terms of who? Prescribing: - I've to buy a monitor 1280x1024+ if I haven't, - I've to set my resolution (or min. window size) on 1280x1024+ if I haven't, - I've to (install and) see the site in IE if it's not my default browser, - I've to set the font size at normal to get a proper display, even if I can't read the text then, - I've to install the latest FLASH player if I haven't, - I've to mouse over the whole screen to see of there are some hidden links, - and so on ... **) I couldn't test IE7; IE6 on Win is o.k., like FF1.07 and Opera8.01. __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7b2 testing hub -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Safari screw up
Kenoli Oleari wrote: Usually Safari is the browser that works for everything, but the following page works on Mac versions of FF and IE perfectly and completely breaks on Safari. I have validated both the xhtml and the CSS. Can anyone help me? It seems to be ignoring the div background colors and screwing up the absolute positioning. I've gone over and over the code, pulling sections and looking for small errors and can find nothing. http://www.communityassemblies.org/staging/index_nan.php (It has a php extension because there is some php code in it that I have removed, though it causes the same problem regardless of the extension or the code.) The styles that relate to the divs are included below. --Kenoli Unfortunately, valid files are no guarantee that a site will actually work, function, and be usable cross-browser. The problem is the use of absolute positioning to layout the page. And while it may seem to you to be only a Safari problem, I regret that that is just not so. A simple float layout will handle that content without any problem. No absolute positioning is necessary. A simple structural layout test is to zoom the fonts to 200%. In xp ff, this turns your page into quite a turmoil. Even though the fonts are frozen in ie6.0, the page bears no resemblance to its compliant browser sisters. While it may be a difficult pill to swallow-- personally, I'd consider a less ambitious, but workable cross-browser solution that doe not include absolute positioning. Best, ~dL __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7b2 testing hub -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] input question
Hi folks: I have a question/issue with this page: http://www.maineddc.org/draft/index.htm I decided to switch my doctype from 4.01 transitional to 4.01 strict. Which ended up with me getting lots of errors on the two forms. The two forms are the search from WebSide Story and the javascipt style switcher from A List Apart (which used xhtml transitonal, btw). so, the validator essentially said i had to enclose all inputs in a block element. I did something weird, maybe creative?, i made a division called class=null and didn't put anything in the css for it. Of course, it was then displayed as a block, which i didn't want, so I just said display: inline in the css. Everything is fine now, but I'm sure I'm missing something theory or something about how I should have dealt with this. and doubt very much that i've done it the best way. I wondered if I should have used labels, but ran it through Cynthia before making the changes and it didn't say anything about that. thanks very much for helping me correct my errant ways. Donna -- Donna Jones Portland, Maine 207 772 0266 http://www.westendwebs.com/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7b2 testing hub -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Center-wrap list menu in FF on full width image
francky wrote 04:25: [...] After finishing my writing, I went back to my Inbox and saw Sandra's post of 03:15. Work is going on! francky __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7b2 testing hub -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] input question
Donna Jones wrote: http://www.maineddc.org/draft/index.htm Everything is fine now, but I'm sure I'm missing something theory or something about how I should have dealt with this. and doubt very much that i've done it the best way. Not too many ways to do it, and yours is as good as any :-) Any block-element will do (in theory at least), so we just pick the one that makes most sense in each case. regards Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7b2 testing hub -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] Shrinking the Browser causes layout problems...
Hi,
I finally got my layout to work in IE, FireFox and Netscape (have yet to
check in on Safari), and was feeling pretty excited about having figured out
how to use css.. until I discovered that if i shrunk my browser, the content
to the right shifted right over the left content. They overlapped on to
each other.
Is there some way of fixing this? Ideally if the browser was minimized I
would like the page to still be legible by using the browser scroll on the
bottom. I'm guessing from what I researched over the Internet it may have
something to do with the position or float tag. If somebody could
please direct me I'd super grateful.
Here's what my code looks like. My layout is just a 2 column page with a
boarder around it. Content on the left, and content on the right.
style type=text/css
body {
margin: 0px 0px 0px 0px;
padding: 0px;
}
#left {
width: 265px;
position:absolute;
border-left:1px solid silver;
border-bottom:1px solid silver;
border-top: 1px solid silver;
padding-bottom:20px;
height:398px;
margin-left: 180px;
margin-top: 30px;
}
#right {
width:590px;
position: absolute;
border-right:1px solid silver;
border-top: 1px solid silver;
border-bottom:1px solid silver;
padding-bottom:20px;
height:398px;
margin-left: 27%;
margin-top: 30px;
margin-right:17%;
}
p.leftcontent {
width: 125px;
border-top: 1px solid silver;
margin-top:25px;
margin-left: 10px;
margin-right: 5px;
padding-top: 15px;
font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-size: 12px;
font-weight: bold;
text-indent: 5px;
text-align:center;
}
p.special{
width: 125px;
border-bottom: 1px solid silver;
margin-top:25px;
margin-left: 10px;
margin-right: 5px;
padding-bottom: 15px;
font-family: Arial,Verdana,Helvetica,sans-serif;
font-size: 11px;
color: #33;
font-weight: bold;
text-align:center;
text-indent: 5px;
}
p.right {
border-top: 1px solid silver;
margin-top:25px;
margin-left: 10px;
margin-right: 5px;
padding-top: 15px;
font-family: Arial,Verdana,Helvetica,sans-serif;
font-size: 11px;
color: #33;
text-align:justify;
}
/style
/head
body
div id=leftp class=leftcontentROD /p
p class=specialbio/p
/div
div id=right
p class=rightadfkadfjladj br / br /afdjaslkfjsladki/p
/div
/body
/html
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[css-d] splunk - splash page typo-effect
You might already know Splunk - www.splunk.com -, but this is something new for me. What brings it to the discussion here has nothing to do with the system itself, though i would be glad to haer about it as well. Have you noticed how the word in What's xx in your IT infrastructure today? swaps from time to time, simulating an ongoing writting on the screen? But if you check the code, there's nothing like an animated gif or something, but just plain html text. How do they do that? Any ideas? Rodrigo __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7b2 testing hub -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Site Check
Hi Richard, You wrote: I am building a three column site at: http://kites.swmug.co.uk/ http://kites.swmug.co.uk/wp-content/themes/kites/style.css The middle column seems to be disappearing. Can people see in it in Internet Explorer please and if not why is it disappearing please? Yes, I see it. It has dropped below the surrounding columns. I think the problem is the legend in the fieldset. Opera breaks it up in order to make room between the outer columns. Firefox expands the center column into the right one, as per spec. IE expands the width of the column, so it drops. Try making the legend shorter and see if that works. If it does, be aware that any increase in text size by the visitor may again make it too long, with similar results. Cordially, David. -- www.hucklesby.com __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7b2 testing hub -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] input question
(sigh, realized i answered Georg instead of replying to the list - someday i'll learn. pasting, re-sending.) http://www.maineddc.org/draft/index.htm Everything is fine now, but I'm sure I'm missing something theory or something about how I should have dealt with this. and doubt very much that i've done it the best way. Not too many ways to do it, and yours is as good as any :-) Any block-element will do (in theory at least), so we just pick the one that makes most sense in each case. Wow, that's a surprise, thanks Georg! Why does input have to be enclosed in a block level element though? It just occurred to me that maybe input is inline Well, I just consulted Eric's main css book and couldn't find an answer though it does look like input is a replaced element. So, does it have to do with inline and replaced elements not being in the clear? cheers Donna -- Donna Jones Portland, Maine 207 772 0266 http://www.westendwebs.com/ -- Donna Jones Portland, Maine 207 772 0266 http://www.westendwebs.com/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7b2 testing hub -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] image map in fluid layout and site check please
On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 09:48:18 -0400, Miki Kersgard wrote: I have a map of our state with all of the counties as hotspots and need to put them into my (first) fluid layout. Does anyone have an idea of how I handle this. Using an old map as a test (much nicer map to come) it lost all the linking abilities when made fluid. Miki, you seem to have lost the 'usemap' attribute from your IMG tag! You have triggered the extreme font resizing bug in IE[1]. Adding a 100% font-size declaration to the BODY selector should fix it. Let us know if you run into problems with CSS. Good luck. Cordially, David. [1] http://www.gunlaug.no/contents/wd_additions_13.html -- www.hucklesby.com __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7b2 testing hub -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] splunk - splash page typo-effect
Rodrigo Alexandre wrote: You might already know Splunk - www.splunk.com -Have you noticed how the word in What's xx in your IT infrastructure today? swaps from time to time, simulating an ongoing writting on the screen? How do they do that? Any ideas? I have no idea. Fortunately, I can make it stop by disabling javascript (or simply leaving their site as quickly as possible). Rodrigo Regards, ~dL __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7b2 testing hub -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] IE spacing problems on nav list
Hello, I'm trying to revise a list I got from Listamatic. There, the list has no space between the links. I added margin-bottom: 8px; to #navcontainer a to get the space I want between the background blocks. The space is the way I want it on Safari and FireFox but way too spread out vertically on IE on the PC. How can I get the space I want to work it least closely on all (modern) browsers? sample is http://www.liztestsite.com/kh/sample.html Thanks in advance, Liz __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7b2 testing hub -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
