Re: [css-d] anyone have access to change css-discuss Frontpage? i am seeing lotsa p_rn links on there. hacked?

[Tony Crockford]

Arian Hojat wrote:
> http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=FrontPage
> 
> anyone else see LOTS of p0rn links at the bottom lol?
> can anyone get rid of it,
> I tried editing it out but it didnt accept my css-discuss password 

what password did you use?  (read the edit page again)

cleared them out although that returned a database error - but the edits 
seem to have "taken".

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[css-d] click for search

[durmus cosar]

Hi,
   
  The below web directories supported with dmoz open directory project.
   
  http://www.click2info.net 
  http://www.open-sites.net
   
  It can be useful for everyone.
   
  bye. 
   


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[css-d] Fw: 4.0 STRICT - margins in IE6 taking up too much space bug?

[lau Guerreiro]

Sorry, the example URL was broken but I've fixed it now.


> It appears there's a bug in the way IE6.0 handles margins in 4.0 Strict 
> mode.
> Even though I am adding margins + paddings + width to come up with the 
> actual box width there's still something weird happenning.
> Here's a page that demonstrates the problem/bug. 
> http://www.ezi10.com/ezi10/problem2.htm
>
> I have an "outer" div with width=280px right-margin=0
> I have an "inner" div with width=260px right-margin=20
> When I put the inner Div inside the Outer Div and Float it left the outer 
> div grows so that it become 300px wide.
>
> It doesn't happen if I don't float the Div left.
>
> Is this a bug or am I missing something? I've tested this in IE 6.029 and 
> 6.037
>
> I need to float the inner div left because on my actual page want to have 
> two inner divs forming two columns thus 
> http://www.ezi10.com/ezi10/problem.htm


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[css-d] IE 7 RC1: font-variant: small-caps; text-transform

[Lars Bruzelius]

.fv {font-variant: small-caps}
.tt {text-transform: lowercase}
.caps {font-variant: small-caps; text-transform: lowercase}

The following seems to a new bug in Internet Explorer 7:

  IEFF  Opera
WitsenFail   OK   OK

Not even the following works:

Witsen

Opera   9.01
Firefox 1.5.0.7
Internet Explorer 7 RC1


Lars Bruzelius

SYSteam Udac AB
Box 174,
SE-751 04  Uppsala,
Sweden.

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Re: [css-d] Fw: 4.0 STRICT - margins in IE6 taking up too much space bug?

[Gunlaug Sørtun]

lau Guerreiro wrote:

>> http://www.ezi10.com/ezi10/problem2.htm

It's just a variant of the 'margin-doubling on floats' bug in IE/win.
The bug is pushing the DIV.outer wider because of the 'auto-expand to
make content fit' bug in IE/win.

Adding...
'display: inline;'
...to the floating 'DIV.inner' solves it - as always, but you better not
add that "fix" to the non-floating 'DIV.inner'.

>> http://www.ezi10.com/ezi10/problem.htm

Same here. Add 'display: inline;' to the floats that is given a margin -
DIV. and DIV., and IE6 will line up the floats as Firefox and
Opera do.

All tested in IE6.0.2800.1106 - just to be on the safe side.

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Re: [css-d] 2 spacing questions in IE

[Anne E. Shroeder]

I'm sorry, I neglected to note that the CSS is located at 
http://www.language-works.com/swimdesign/template-public-4.css

- Original Message - 
From: "Anne E. Shroeder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 2:36 AM
Subject: [css-d] 2 spacing questions in IE


> This is the URL in question:
> http://www.language-works.com/swimdesign/template-public-4.htm
>
> I've been fiddling with numbers all night and am stymied by the following
> spacing problems:
> (1) I'm trying to eliminate the white space between the masthead graphic 
> and
> the blue drop down menu bar under it.  The top nav is 93px high, and I 
> start
> the blue nav bar at 94
>
> (2) I'm wondering why the leading is not consistent in the quote from the
> WSJ - the first line squishes the lines together more. I played with a
> different sized quote mark and different line-height defs, and got the
> result that the leading between lines 2 and 3 now were inconsistent
> http://www.language-works.com/swimdesign/template-public-4a.htm  weird! 
> Line
> height is defined at 34px and the quote graphic is 24px high.
>
> Any thoughts most appreciated.
>
> Anne

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[css-d] image link won't stay clickable

[Santiago Restrepo]

Hi list :)

I wanted to do a image map menu with CSS, so I went to CSSplay for some
examples and found this one:
http://www.cssplay.co.uk/menu/mantis.html

pretty neat, huh? But when I tried to apply it in my site the image map
options won't work and when i hover them they start to blink. Take a look
(the options are in the DJs hands):
http://www.atcompany.net/evento

I don't know why this happens, i've tried replacing the selected hand image
for a jpg but the same problems is shown. And I don't see that my code and
the mantis one differs too much.

Thanks in advance
Kuma
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[css-d] Floating list Elements in Nested lists

[Bruce Hodo]

I would like to have a second level nested list floated in such a way that the 
elements line up (in this case) in two columns. Doing this in a non-nested list 
works fine, but the nest lists do not float: they line up as if float was not 
coded.  The list elements have a defined width that is slightly less than half 
of the width of the ul, which should give me a two column layout. But it 
doesn't. 

I tried using "display:inline" but then the list element width is ignored, and 
you get a hodge-podge of elements. 

I am assuming, of course, that there is a "legal" way to do this using lists, 
although I could be wrong (it won't be the first time!)

To see what I'm working with, go to http://www.villasinjamaica.com/sample.html

Thank you in advance for your help.

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Re: [css-d] 2 spacing questions in IE

[Admin at AK]

> (1) I'm trying to eliminate the white space between the masthead graphic and
> the blue drop down menu bar under it.  The top nav is 93px high, and I start
> the blue nav bar at 94

Try setting image to be:

display:block;
or
display:inline-block;

one of those should do it

See

http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Images,_Tables,_and_Mysterious_Gaps

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Re: [css-d] image link won't stay clickable

[Gunlaug Sørtun]

> http://www.atcompany.net/evento

A couple of mistakes...

It's the  that shall have 'display: none' on :hover - not the entire
link.
The missing 'b' created the flickering, as browsers are being told to
remove the entire link upon :hover - which they will try but with pretty
unstable results.

Corrected hover-style:

#morillo a#evento:hover b, #morillo a#foro:hover b
{
   display: none;
}


Background-position is meant to be negative, and at least equal the
width of the link and/or image - except upon :hover. That's what keeps
the hover-state invisible (hidden outside the link) until you actually
hover the link.

Corrected link-styles:

#morillo a#foro {
position : absolute;
left : 270px;
top : 0;
background : url(../images/derecha.gif) no-repeat -139px 0;
}
#morillo a#evento {
position : absolute;
left : 0;
top : 0;
background : url(../images/izquierda.gif) no-repeat -139px 0;
}


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Re: [css-d] 2 spacing questions in IE

[Admin at AK]

> (2) I'm wondering why the leading is not consistent in the quote from the
> WSJ - the first line squishes the lines together more.

Its fine in FF but IE is uneven.

First: tidy up the source code removing all the unwanted spaces.

Second: put at least one of the graphics as a backgfround iamge to the
paragraph.

Third: See:

http://simon.incutio.com/archive/2003/05/21/stylingBlockquotes

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Re: [css-d] IE 7 RC1: font-variant: small-caps; text-transform

[~davidLaakso]

Lars Bruzelius wrote:
> .fv {font-variant: small-caps}
> .tt {text-transform: lowercase}
> .caps {font-variant: small-caps; text-transform: lowercase}
>
> The following seems to a new bug in Internet Explorer 7:
>
>   IEFF  Opera
> WitsenFail   OK   OK
>
> Not even the following works:
>
> Witsen
>
> Opera   9.01
> Firefox 1.5.0.7
> Internet Explorer 7 RC1
>
>
> Lars Bruzelius
I do not understand what either one of us is doing :-) . Or what this 
proves, if anything...(but it was fun, and I enjoyed myself).

screen captures:

Best,
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Re: [css-d] 2 spacing questions in IE

[~davidLaakso]

Anne E. Shroeder wrote:
> I'm sorry, I neglected to note that the CSS is located at 
> http://www.language-works.com/swimdesign/template-public-4.css
>   
>> This is the URL in question:
>> http://www.language-works.com/swimdesign/template-public-4.htm
>>
>> [...]
>>
>> (2) I'm wondering why the leading is not consistent in the quote from the
>> WSJ - the first line squishes the lines together more. I played with a
>> different sized quote mark and different line-height defs, and got the
>> result that the leading between lines 2 and 3 now were inconsistent
>> http://www.language-works.com/swimdesign/template-public-4a.htm  weird! 
>> Line
>> height is defined at 34px and the quote graphic is 24px high.
>> 
Dunno-- did not look at the page. But your css indicates the fonts are 
frozen in IE, and pixels for line-height yield erratic results cross 
browser.
>>
>> Anne
>> 
Best,
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[css-d] Site Check Please

[tedd]

Hi gang:

Please review --

http://sperling.com/a/

-- just the "a" directory. I'm redoing my entire site to be more 
flexible and amenable to browser's window size. The menu works, but 
the links in web-tips are not done -- I have a lot more to add.

The site seems to hold-up pretty well in BrowserCam, but I need real 
people to review it.

If you have any suggestions, comments, first-blush impressions, 
design like/dislikes, or any other critiques (good or bad), that 
aren't css related  -- *please feel free* -- to forward them to me 
privately at: ccs at sperling.com -- after all, this is a css list 
and not a website-design-review list.

Extra credit: The first page, first paragraph of my old site 
(http://sperling.com) breaks under IE7 -- I don't have IE7 and don't 
understand the problem -- any ideas as to what went wrong?

Many thanks for your time and kind review.

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Re: [css-d] Why background-image positioning is set up like this in css spec...

[L. David Baron]

On Tuesday 2006-09-19 02:37 -0400, Arian Hojat wrote:
> I was looking at some background positioning code that i never really
> thought about until recently...
> I was making a background image on a div with 'top left' declaration
> and was saying to myself... 'Okay for some reason CSS guys choose to
> do Y positioning 1st in the declaration and then X'.. Am i correct in
> thinking 'top center bottom' is related to Y positioning and 'left
> center right' is X positioning ?
> 
> Then I was changing the code to center image vertically with
> percentage values and realized the declaration for non-keyword values
> looks like 'X% Y%' or 'Xpx Ypx'.  So X positioning comes first and Y
> next when not using keywords?
> 
> Why the heck did the css spec writers do this?
> So its like a 'center left' declaration is same as '0% 50%' but isnt
> it counterintuitive for the spec to be written this way?

Pixel and percentage values go in X-Y order.  However, unambiguous
keyword values are allowed to be in either order, and extra "centers"
can be omitted, so 'left', 'left center', 'center left' (the backwards
one), and '0% 50%' all mean the same thing.  In fact, as of CSS 2.1, the
values can be mixed, so 'left 50%' and '0% center' also mean the same
thing (but '50% left' is an error and 'center 0%' is equivalent to
'top').

I suspect it was done this way so that combinations that were easily
understandable by humans, like 'bottom left', were not CSS errors,
particularly since the normal English order for those words puts
top/bottom before left/right.

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Re: [css-d] Why background-image positioning is set up like this in css spec...

[Arian Hojat]

Hey Dave,
Someone also pointed out to me that the keywords can be in any order...
I was using w3schools as my reference and they say the possible values
of the property are...
top left
top center
top right
center left
center center
center right
bottom left
bottom center
bottom right
x-% y-%
x-pos y-pos

It never mentioned it can be in any order for keywords :). err i need
to start using w3.org as my only reference.
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Re: [css-d] Site Check Please

[Ian Young]

Hi gang:

Please review --

http://sperling.com/a/

Works OK as you suspected in Opera 9.01, FF1.5.0.7, IE7,IE6, WinXP 1024x768.
Zooms ok until very largest settings  when Sperling.com drops out of banner.
Not something I would be concerned about.

Cannot help with problem in IE7 as just getting my head around myself.

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Re: [css-d] 2 spacing questions in IE

[Dave Pierce]

Anne Asked:

> This is the URL in question:
> http://www.language-works.com/swimdesign/template-public-4.htm
>
> I've been fiddling with numbers all night and am stymied by the  
> following
> spacing problems:
> (1) I'm trying to eliminate the white space between the masthead  
> graphic and
> the blue drop down menu bar under it.  The top nav is 93px high,  
> and I start
> the blue nav bar at 94
>
> (2) I'm wondering why the leading is not consistent in the quote  
> from the
> WSJ - the first line squishes the lines together more. I played with a
> different sized quote mark and different line-height defs, and got the
> result that the leading between lines 2 and 3 now were inconsistent
> http://www.language-works.com/swimdesign/template-public-4a.htm   
> weird! Line
> height is defined at 34px and the quote graphic is 24px high.

Anne, I don't see the problems you mention, but I see another odd  
behavior in Safari 2.0.4.  No matter how big I make the window...and  
I have a 17" Apple screen...I still see about 1/4" of scrolling space  
on both scroll bars. Just can't open that window up enough to  
eliminate scroll bars.

In Firefox, it's possible to eliminate the vertical scrollbar, but  
the horizontal scrollbar hangs on with about 1/8" of movement.

Not sure why, I'm not that well versed yet in CSS, but I'm sure that  
the real CSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] folks can help.

Dave


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[css-d] Div pisition and background conflict

[Gustavo Caetano]

Greetings list,

 

I’ve moved my website from server and suddenly it’s content’s background
disappeared in FF. In IE it still works ok.

 

When I make the  #container div position absolute, the background comes back
but then it aligns to the left.

 

 

Could someone please help me?

 

Here’s the website:

HYPERLINK "http://www.cacofonia.com.br/"www.cacofonia.com.br

 


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Re: [css-d] Site Check Please

[Designer]

tedd wrote:
> Hi gang:
>
> Please review --
>
> http://sperling.com/a/
Hi tedd,

Very nice look and feel. My only reservation is that I just hate code 
repeating itself and I hate to see    used as spacing, so I'd 
like your  to be redefined as having the bird gif as a background 
(left) with a margin/padding left to accommodate it, thereby making your 
current:

  Web Applications and Functional Web 
Sites

types become simply:

Web Applications and Functional Web Sites

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[css-d] IE6 a:hover dimension change...

[Lorin Rivers]

I'm having a weird problem with an image based menu where in IE6, the
height of the reveal changes on mouse-over so you see the top of the
next row of images. It works as expected in other browsers...

Any clues?



It's the top menu.
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[css-d] site check

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Hi all,

Wish I had some creative artistic sense.  But obviously I need help!  I 
would appreciate any constructive criticism of this site:

http://www.townlinefarm.com

The Turkeys taste great!  They are looking for a 'country - homey' feel. 
  I'm afraid I've giving them more like 'homely'

The html and css either validate or have small issues, but .. well, go 
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Re: [css-d] special characters with css

[tedd]

At 10:48 AM -0700 9/18/06, Ara wrote:
>Hello,
>
>Is it possible to style a special character such as ® to show as
>uppercase next to regular text? Using "text-transform: uppercase;"
>doesn't work.
>Thanks
>AG

AG:

And what would be the uppercase for that? The Registered Trademark 
symbol is static.

My understanding is that "special" characters (same as all 
characters) are single values (HEX or DEC) representations of glyphs 
-- exactly like code-points in the Unicode database.

There are no upper/lower case values for any single character.

However, with that said, in ASCII, an "a" is HEX 061 and an "A" is 
HEX 041. Changing case simply means changing the value of the 
character with another -- in other words, character replacement.

This works great in ASCII because that's the way our language was 
designed, but not so in other languages -- not all languages have 
upper/lower case equivalents.

So, using : text-transform: uppercase; on other than ASCII characters 
is at least problematic and may not even be possible, but I'll defer 
that assertion to someone who knows better than I.

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Re: [css-d] IE6 a:hover dimension change...

[Gunlaug Sørtun]

Lorin Rivers wrote:
> I'm having a weird problem with an image based menu where in IE6, the
>  height of the reveal changes on mouse-over so you see the top of the
>  next row of images. It works as expected in other browsers...

> 

IE6 doesn't respect dimensions, so it expands the elements to make
whatever is inside them fit. It doesn't happen on :hover, but your
background-arrangement makes it invisible until you hover over the links.

The addition of...

#menu {overflow: hidden;}

...will make that bugger more cooperative.


Advice:
Test that page with font-resizing across browser-land, and try to
prevent the resulting overlapping by changing your positioning-methods
so the layout can grow in size when needed.

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Re: [css-d] Floating list Elements in Nested lists

[Scott Povlot]

Bruce,

Add "clear:none" to the ul.amenities li style.  This will override the 
clear:both from the .room li style.  The problem is that you are floating and 
clearing the same li.

ul.amenities li {
float:left;
padding:0;
margin:.5em .25em;
width:45%;
clear:none;
}Regards,

Scott
- Original Message 
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Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 10:13:13 AM
Subject: [css-d] Floating list Elements in Nested lists

I would like to have a second level nested list floated in such a way that the 
elements line up (in this case) in two columns. Doing this in a non-nested list 
works fine, but the nest lists do not float: they line up as if float was not 
coded.  The list elements have a defined width that is slightly less than half 
of the width of the ul, which should give me a two column layout. But it 
doesn't. 





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Re: [css-d] Site Check Please

[~davidLaakso]

tedd wrote:
> http://sperling.com/a/
>
> -- just the "a" directory. I'm redoing my entire site to be more 
> flexible and amenable to browser's window size. The menu works, but 
> the links in web-tips are not done -- I have a lot more to add.
>
> The site seems to hold-up pretty well in BrowserCam, but I need real 
> people to review it.
>
> If you have any suggestions, comments, first-blush impressions, 
> design like/dislikes, or any other critiques (good or bad), that 
> aren't css related  -- *please feel free* -- to forward them to me 
> privately at: ccs at sperling.com -- after all, this is a css list 
> and not a website-design-review list.
>   
Bear with those of us who believe they  are intrinsically intertwined 
and inseparable.
Just a cursory look and some quick notes, Tedd:
You might consider moving the header image to the css file (no ap needed 
and it will hold a better zoom). No ap needed for h1 either.
#header  { background: 
url("http://www.sperling.com/images/seasons/fall.jpg";) top left 
no-repeat;   }
#header h1  {   /* position:absolute;  top:60px;  left: 45%; */   
line-height: 1.0; /*add*/  margin: 0; /*add*/   padding-top: 20px; 
/*add*/  color: /*blue*/#fff;   font-size: /*x-large**/ 220%;  
text-align: center;  /*z-index:10;  */   }
/*#header img   {  position:absolute;  top:0px;  left:0px;  } */
The alt text for the bird images belongs in the content text, and the 
alt's should be empty (they are decorative).
There should be only /one/ home designation and it should /not/ be 
clickable (how can you go 'home' when you are ready there?)
The validation buttons are distracting and they just 'set you up.'
The navigation links would look better flush left instead of centered.
You may want to search the cause of the h-scroll bar in ie and eliminate it.
> tedd
>   
Best,
~dL
PS Tedd and I are even surlier and nastier to each other off-list.

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Re: [css-d] site check

[~davidLaakso]

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> Hi all,
>
> Wish I had some creative artistic sense.  But obviously I need help!  I 
> would appreciate any constructive criticism of this site:
>
> http://www.townlinefarm.com
>   
It is all good and it works. Ditch the stylesheetswitcher.
> The Turkeys taste great!  They are looking for a 'country - homey' feel. 
>   I'm afraid I've giving them more like 'homely'
>
> The html and css either validate or have small issues, but .. well, go 
> ahead .. i can take it (I hope!).  Thanks all
>
>
>   
Best,
~dL

PS Write me off-list and we'll talk turkey ('country - homey' feel, or 
something like that ).

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[css-d] Dropdown menu

[Maria Falconer]

Hi all
Can anyone tell me how ­ (or point me in the right direction) I can make a
link like this

music

Have a dropdown list of options to choose from, each taking the user to a
different page.
Tia
Maria
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Re: [css-d] Dropdown menu

[Anne E. Shroeder]

Hi Maria,
Take a look here:  http://www.webbedenvironments.com/dhtml/

I used the dropdown menu code 
http://www.webbedenvironments.com/dhtml/code/18_NavigationControls/MenuDropDown/index.html
   
- it is pretty stable, but I've had a few issues with it because it uses 
onclick instead of onmouseout.  You can see it in action here: 
http://www.language-works.com/swimdesign/template-8.htm  I was able to 
configure the code to mouseover (instead of requiring a click) to drop down, 
but I'm still working on how to get the drop down to disappear when I move 
the mouse off of it (should be easy but)

Anne

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Hi all
Can anyone tell me how ­ (or point me in the right direction) I can make a
link like this

music

Have a dropdown list of options to choose from, each taking the user to a
different page.

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Re: [css-d] Floating list Elements in Nested lists

[Bruce Hodo]

That's it! 

It works like a charm!

Thank you very much.

-Original Message-
>From: Scott Povlot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Sep 19, 2006 2:11 PM
>To: Bruce Hodo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, css-d@lists.css-discuss.org
>Subject: Re: [css-d] Floating list Elements in Nested lists
>
>Bruce,
>
>Add "clear:none" to the ul.amenities li style.  This will override the 
>clear:both from the .room li style.  The problem is that you are floating and 
>clearing the same li.
>
>ul.amenities li {
>   float:left;
>   padding:0;
>   margin:.5em .25em;
>   width:45%;
>   clear:none;
>}Regards,
>
>Scott
>- Original Message 
>From: Bruce Hodo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org
>Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 10:13:13 AM
>Subject: [css-d] Floating list Elements in Nested lists
>
>I would like to have a second level nested list floated in such a way that the 
>elements line up (in this case) in two columns. Doing this in a non-nested 
>list works fine, but the nest lists do not float: they line up as if float was 
>not coded.  The list elements have a defined width that is slightly less than 
>half of the width of the ul, which should give me a two column layout. But it 
>doesn't. 
>
>
>
>
>


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[css-d] Son of Suckerfish - right to left

[Ido dekkers]

Hello

this is my first post to the list and i hope you can help.

i want to use the Son of Suckerfish menu on the sites i make.
when using it in regular sites (ltr) i have no problems.
but when i try to put dir="rtl" in the body element - i design sites in
Hebrew also - the mess starts.

if you can look at this link : http://test3.dekkers.net/sos.htm, i've
commented the changes i made in the html and css codes, one on each.
i added dir="rtl" in the body, and changed the float from left to right (in
#nav li).

firefox and netscape - just do what i say and all works well, IE - well it's
a mess and opera is not much better.

any help would be appriciated.

thank you

Ido
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Re: [css-d] Dropdown menu

[Al Sparber]

> music

> Have a dropdown list of options to choose from, each taking the user 
> to a
> different page.

This tutorial might be helpful:
http://www.projectseven.com/tutorials/navigation/auto_hide/index.htm

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Re: [css-d] IE6 a:hover dimension change...

[Lorin Rivers]

That works a treat! Thanks!

Do you have suggestions in that regard?

On 9/19/06, Gunlaug Sørtun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Lorin Rivers wrote:
> > I'm having a weird problem with an image based menu where in IE6, the
> >  height of the reveal changes on mouse-over so you see the top of the
> >  next row of images. It works as expected in other browsers...
>
> > 
>
> IE6 doesn't respect dimensions, so it expands the elements to make
> whatever is inside them fit. It doesn't happen on :hover, but your
> background-arrangement makes it invisible until you hover over the links.
>
> The addition of...
>
> #menu {overflow: hidden;}
>
> ...will make that bugger more cooperative.
>
>
> Advice:
> Test that page with font-resizing across browser-land, and try to
> prevent the resulting overlapping by changing your positioning-methods
> so the layout can grow in size when needed.
>
> regards
> Georg
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Re: [css-d] Son of Suckerfish - right to left

[Gunlaug Sørtun]

Ido dekkers wrote:
> http://test3.dekkers.net/sos.htm

> firefox and netscape - just do what i say and all works well, IE - 
> well it's a mess and opera is not much better.

I'm certainly not very happy with the behavior in any browser, but this
gets Opera and IE6 pretty close to your example seen in Firefox 1.5.0.7
and Netscape 7.2...


Styles and script in page head.

Off-screen positioning with large em-values are known to create problems
- and they went in the wrong direction for an 'rtl' page. Thus, I
altered the off-screen positioning to go "neutral" - upwards instead of
sideways - and with more reasonable large px-values. This means that
changing form 'ltr' to 'rtl' doesn't require so many changes, but
positioning still must be changed from default (left) to 'right: nn' in
certain places in order to make that menu cross-browser reliable.

I noticed that Firefox and Netscape didn't produce a horizontal
scrollbar when needed, so I made Opera and IE mimic that weakness too by
declaring a 'width: 90%' on #nav. Not good I think, but you can always
delete that width.

Note that I used a proper doctype for that test page. XHTML 1.1 shall
not be served as 'text/html'.

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Re: [css-d] Site Check Please

[francky]

tedd wrote:

>Hi gang:
>
>Please review --
>
>http://sperling.com/a/
>
>-- just the "a" directory. I'm redoing my entire site to be more 
>flexible and amenable to browser's window size. The menu works, but 
>the links in web-tips are not done -- I have a lot more to add.
>
>The site seems to hold-up pretty well in BrowserCam, but I need real 
>people to review it.
>
>If you have any suggestions, comments, first-blush impressions, 
>design like/dislikes, or any other critiques (good or bad), that 
>aren't css related  -- *please feel free* -- to forward them to me 
>privately at: ccs at sperling.com -- after all, this is a css list 
>and not a website-design-review list.
>  
>
Hi Tedd,
DavidL had already some nice suggestions. ;-)
Some non-css extra is in the PS.

>Extra credit: The first page, first paragraph of my old site 
>(http://sperling.com) breaks under IE7 -- I don't have IE7 and don't 
>understand the problem -- any ideas as to what went wrong?
>
>Many thanks for your time and kind review.
>tedd
>  
>
The breaking IE7: I suppose it is the AP (absolute positioning) again. 
The .wideparagraph is climbing up in the .narrowparagraph, and passing 
the #navcontainer.
See the browsershots-show 
.
Solution can be to forget the .narrowparagraph of the first paragraphs 
of the content, to forget the the AP of the #navcontainer, and to give 
the #navcontainer a {float: right;} instead; and maybe some margin-left 
and margin-bottom to keep distance to the surrounding content.

Cheers,
francky

PS:
The heading tags are used more as styling elements than as parts of the 
logical structure of the document. But that is html and accessibility 
talk; so who wants to know what I've to say more about this (analyze, 
suggestions & tools) ... can follow me off-list 
.
 
:-)

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Re: [css-d] IE6 a:hover dimension change...

[Gunlaug Sørtun]

Lorin Rivers wrote:
> Do you have suggestions in that regard?

>>> 

Sure :-)
Generally: don't lay out main parts of pages with 'position: absolute'.

Everything that involves text will need space to grow, and that means
other element must move to provide that space. Absolute positioned
elements are independent of each other - unless they are nested, so they
will simply overlap each other when they run out of space.

Normal flow and floats will adjust to their non-positioned surroundings,
so that's a much safer choice for most layouts.

Quick test: copy and paste the following in the page head - *below* all
stylesheet links...


/**/


...and it will take over main parts in that page. The 'position: static'
nullifies all your positioning from #content down, and then I turn those
elements into floats and adjust them into place by using margins.
I haven't "perfected" any of this - it's just an example, so there's
plenty of room for more adjustment.

This should give you some ideas on how to create a self-adjusting
layout, and as you will see: I have not taken over all absolute
positioned elements. You can of course turn everything into floats
and/or normal flow, but that isn't really necessary.

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Re: [css-d] Div pisition and background conflict

[francky]

Gustavo Caetano wrote:

>Greetings list,
>
>I’ve moved my website from server and suddenly it’s content’s background
>disappeared in FF. In IE it still works ok.
>
>When I make the  #container div position absolute, the background comes back
>but then it aligns to the left.
>
>Could someone please help me?
>Here’s the website:
>
>HYPERLINK "http://www.cacofonia.com.br/";
>
Hi Gustavo,
It seems you have a more standards compliant / more critical server now, 
or something has gone wrong at the moving work. - Some points to look:

* The html-validator cannot validate, because there are not
  "|utf-8|" signs in the code (the à in the "às" between the date
  and time in the info bar of each item). In Firefox they appear as
  black "unknown letter" question mark sign. There are also some of
  them in the stylesheets (in the comments, maybe harmless).
  Maybe you can find what you need in this table with diacritical
  signs and their html coding
  .
* The Tidy validator reports missing 's and 's, so the
  container boxes are not complete, and can cause a strange display.

After this is corrected, and the page is still without a background in 
FF, you come back please and we can inspect the css. But I guess after 
repairing the html there will be no css problems anymore with the 
backgrounds and the centering of the page.
So I hope! :-)

Succes!
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Re: [css-d] Div pisition and background conflict

[francky]

francky wrote:

>[...]
>  
>
and had forgotten to give the link for all kind of languages with 
different letter signs, in case it is not common "Latin" what you need:

* "The Unicode Character Code Charts" overview
  .

A lot to choose! ;-)
f.
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Re: [css-d] extra vertical space in IE6

[David Hucklesby]

On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 14:51:29 -0700, William M Conlon wrote:
>
>
> http://www.rgallery.us/index.html
>
>
> On Sep 18, 2006, at 1:52 PM, ~davidLaakso replied:
>
>> See if this helps:
>> div#top {  width:638px;   height: 106px;  border: 1px solid
>> #560116;   }
>> win/IE/6 and down get this hack enclosed in a conditional
>> comment:  Not
>> tested. Best, ~dL
>>
> [...]
>
> Adding
>
> div#body img {display:block;}
>
> to the IE6 style sheet fixed the second problem.  But in the first
> div I had two images side-by-side and the block display directive
> caused them to be rendered above and below.
>
Hi William,

Yup. Display: block; will do that. The gap is due to the image sitting
on a virtual line of text, vertically aligned with the baseline of the
text, which leaves room for the "descenders" (bottom of g,j,p etc.)
That should not happen if there's no text, but as you see IE thinks
there is.

Try this CSS rule instead (does not upset normal browsers):
#top img {vertical-align: bottom;}

Cordially,
David
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[css-d] page border doesn't border page

[Kim Brooks Wei]

Dear People,

I'm struggling to understand what's wrong with my page border. It 
adheres to the browser windows on 3 sides [top, lt and rt] but not on 
the bottom, in either Safari or Firefox.

I've tried whatever solutions I could think of but nothing has 
worked. Please give me a hand with this if you can.

Best wishes,
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[css-d] [w/website]page border doesn't border page

[Kim Brooks Wei]

Dear People,

I'm struggling to understand what's wrong with my page border. It 
adheres to the browser windows on 3 sides [top, lt and rt] but not on 
the bottom, in either Safari or Firefox.

I've tried whatever solutions I could think of but nothing has 
worked. Please give me a hand with this if you can.

http://njlada.com/c/contact.php

Best wishes,
Kimi

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[css-d] An IE6 vale of tears glitch

[P J]

Hi, this is a typical page from my website:

http://www.seachanger.com/seachanger//nest/changing.html

It's a simple CSS layout of a header, footer and 3 columns. The CSS file is
here:

http://www.seachanger.com//seachanger/style.css

Everything is fine (after the usual rounds of tweaking) in Firefox, and IE7.
However, in IE6 there remains a problem in the third column, with a large
gap between the picture which sits at the top and the content (just ads at
the moment, more content in the future), which is supposed to sit directly
under it, but doesn't. I swear I've turned grey trying to fix it. Would
anyone have any ideas? (Preferably without resort to hacks.) Here's the
basic layout code, with "container" being the 800px wrapper for the layout.
I would be wimperingly grateful for any help.

body {
margin-top : 0px;
margin-right : 0px;
margin-bottom : 0px;
margin-left : 0px;
}


#container {
width: 800px;
margin: 0 auto;
}

#header {
padding-top: 0px;
clear: both;
}


#leftcol{
width:160px;
float:left;
margin-right:20px;
}

#content{
width:416px;
float:left;
}

#rightcol{
width:184px;
float:left;
margin-left:20px;
}

#footer {
margin-top: 20px;
clear: both;
}
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Re: [css-d] An IE6 vale of tears glitch

[P A Cummins]

 PJ, add      after the google adds

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Subject: [css-d] An IE6 vale of tears glitch


Hi, this is a typical page from my website:

http://www.seachanger.com/seachanger//nest/changing.html

It's a simple CSS layout of a header, footer and 3 columns. The CSS file is
here:
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Re: [css-d] An IE6 vale of tears glitch

[P J]

Solved!

Brilliant!

A huge thank you.

PJ
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