Re: [css-d] Need Text To Wrap Underneath Images
I must admit that I wasn't too keen on your use of tables, but your boss had so decreed! :-) I guess br / is the quick fix to get the job out of the door. g Regards, Alan. www.theatreorgans.co.uk www.virtualtheatreorgans.com Admin: ConnArtistes, UKShopsmiths, 2nd Touch A-P groups Shopsmith 520 + bits Flatulus Antiquitus - Original Message - From: Elli Vizcaino To: Alan K Baker Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 4:09 AM Subject: Re: [css-d] Need Text To Wrap Underneath Images Thanks Alan, Of course, I did think of using br /s but wasn't sure what the rules were about br /s, since I'm trying to keep the HTML lean and as you yourself have already guessed that yes I was hoping for a CSS anwser. If I don't get one might have to resort to the br / tags indeed. Elli __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Need Text To Wrap Underneath Images
I hope your boss appreciates what you do, beyond the call of duty. Most of them don't. :-( The link (below) covers it and seems a nice way of solving your problem, especially as you have most of the HTML already in place. Just change the tags and style them - neat. Regards, Alan. www.theatreorgans.co.uk www.virtualtheatreorgans.com Admin: ConnArtistes, UKShopsmiths, 2nd Touch A-P groups Shopsmith 520 + bits Flatulus Antiquitus - Original Message - From: Elli Vizcaino To: Alan K Baker ; CSS Discuss Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 4:41 AM Subject: Re: [css-d] Need Text To Wrap Underneath Images I did a Googling and found this: http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/how_to_style_thumbnail_and_caption.asp from one of our very own on the list. I had started out with a UL of images and links and it wasn't working especially to achieve the alignment the designers were looking for, so my boss instructed me to revert to tables for that section and which I wasn't crazy about since those images and links aren't tabular data but, based on what I just glanced at, looks like I'll be able to achieve what I'm looking to do, with a DL. Will have to give it a try! - Elli __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Hover delay
I agree. It looks as if (unfortunately) you're right. :-( Regards, Alan. www.theatreorgans.co.uk www.virtualtheatreorgans.com Admin: ConnArtistes, UKShopsmiths, 2nd Touch A-P groups Shopsmith 520 + bits Flatulus Antiquitus - Original Message - From: Ingo Chao To: Alan K Baker Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [css-d] Hover delay Alan K Baker wrote: Hi all. I'm looking for a way to delay the action of a 'hover' detection for a photo gallery. I don't think CSS could do that. Ingo -- http://www.satzansatz.de/css.html http://www.dolphinsback.com __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Need Text To Wrap Underneath Images
Try: #newspapers TABLE#nj a { display: block; } Best regards, Christian Kirchhoff *Directmedia Publishing GmbH* · Möckernstraße 68 · 10965 Berlin www.digitale-bibliothek.de AG Berlin-Charlottenburg · HR B 58002 · USt.Id. DE173211737 Geschäftsführer: Ralf Szymanski · Erwin Jurschitza Elli Vizcaino schrieb: I did a Googling and found this: http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/how_to_style_thumbnail_and_caption.asp from one of our very own on the list. I had started out with a UL of images and links and it wasn't working especially to achieve the alignment the designers were looking for, so my boss instructed me to revert to tables for that section and which I wasn't crazy about since those images and links aren't tabular data but, based on what I just glanced at, looks like I'll be able to achieve what I'm looking to do, with a DL. Will have to give it a try! - Elli --- Alan K Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hope no-one will mind an off-topic reply, as I think you are genuinely looking for an answer in CSS, but the answer's really in HTML. I think the simplest answer to your question is to use a br / after each image and before each span like this example (first line of your td code: tda href=# target=_blankimg src=images/starledger_icon.gif alt=Star Ledger Logo //aa href=# target=_blankbr /The Star Ledger/abr /spanFREE ADS*/span/td Regards, Alan. www.theatreorgans.co.uk www.virtualtheatreorgans.com Admin: ConnArtistes, UKShopsmiths, 2nd Touch A-P groups Shopsmith 520 + bits Flatulus Antiquitus - Original Message - From: Elli Vizcaino To: CSS Discuss Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 2:07 AM Subject: [css-d] Need Text To Wrap Underneath Images Hello, How do I get the text to wrap underneath the images in this table: http://e7flux.com/placead/placead2.html - they wrap fine in FF Safari but not in IE 6 or 7. All suggestions welcomed! TIA, Elli __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Hover delay
A good point Tedd. Sometimes we strive to be over complex, when simplicity would probably be better. I have seen plenty of examples of what I want to achieve, but they all rely on each thumbnail being accessible to :hover without triggering any adjacent ones. The only way round that one would be to include a large space between elements to allow the pointer to navigate without triggering. Absolutely wonderful for a CSS maze but totally useless to the normal user! g The jury's still out on whether to use a peripheral array of thumbnails using a fly-out on :hover, or whether to use a block of thumbnails (which would allow an infinite number next to each other) with the fly-out triggered by mouse clicks. I certainly won't be resorting to JavaScript and I'm sure CSS will achieve a satisfactory method. Regards, Alan. www.theatreorgans.co.uk www.virtualtheatreorgans.com Admin: ConnArtistes, UKShopsmiths, 2nd Touch A-P groups Shopsmith 520 + bits Flatulus Antiquitus - Original Message - From: tedd To: Alan K Baker Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [css-d] Hover delay Alan: That's a bit going against typical pointer functionality. The typical way is of course to move the pointer across things and then click on what you want to see -- that's simple enough and expected. To put a delay into that functionality so that user doesn't have to click, then you'll have to use javascript. But what if a user does click during that time? Do you want the image to enlarge? I think you'll find this is a bigger problem than what you might imagine. My advice, keep it simple and what the user expects. Besides, without javascript that's what it's going to do anyway, right? Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] html background bug?
- Original Message - On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 12:43 PM, Pentasis wrote: Set background-color of html-element to 'transparent' set width of body element to anything smaller than the viewport and center it (margin:0 auto;) Make sure padding of body is 0 Apply a background color to the body element (for example red) Now suddenly the whole background is red, in other words, the background-color of the body element seeps into it's margins. But margins are supposed to be transparent according to the spec (I can't find an exception anywhere). This is probably correct according to what is in the spec at [1], in particular: The background of the root element becomes the background of the canvas and covers the entire canvas... For HTML documents, however, we recommend that authors specify the background for the BODY element rather than the HTML element. For HTML documents whose root HTML element has computed values of 'transparent' for 'background-color' and 'none' for 'background-image', user agents must instead use the computed value of those properties from that HTML element's first BODY element child when painting backgrounds for the canvas, and must not paint a background for that BODY element. In short: if there is no background on HTML (i.e. it is transparent), then the background specified on BODY is applied to the whole canvas, not really to the BODY. Bruno Today I came across this statement (don't ask me where, I lost the link): For HTML, but not for XHTML, the CSS2.1 specification recommends that we specify the document background for the body element, rather than for the html element. If the computed value of the background property for the html element is transparent (the initial value), any background properties specified for the body element will be applied to the canvas. This isn't the case for XHTML. But I am unsure if they mean XHTML in general or strictly served as xml? Bert __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] IE 6 is butchering my pages.
Remove float:left; from .content that will sort out your float drop, which is also apparent in IE7. Your HTML will not validate because you have several br tags which should be br / tags in the particular DOCTYPE you're using. I only checked about but you should check all pages. Instead of using a nbsp; above your div id=photo style #photo img { } with appropriate margins to get your positioning exact and without spurious borders. Regards, Alan. www.theatreorgans.co.uk www.virtualtheatreorgans.com Admin: ConnArtistes, UKShopsmiths, 2nd Touch A-P groups Shopsmith 520 + bits Flatulus Antiquitus - Original Message - From: Jess Jacobs To: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 4:23 PM Subject: [css-d] IE 6 is butchering my pages. Hi all, A small troubleshooting problem that is driving me CRAZY: http://www.akisma.com/design/carrot/ Renders fine in every other browser I've checked, but in IE6, the home page renders fine, aside from a little bordering around the photo that looks trashy (any suggestions?) but all the other pages get their main content bounced out of the main div. Any ideas? I've validated, checked doctypes, etc, but I'm not a master at this and I'm trying to improve my browser-argument skills. Also, I haven't checked it in IE7 since I don't have a unique copy of windows (I develop on a mac), so I'm not sure if it's being screwed over there, too. Any help would appreciated, especially pointers to articles with a rundown of IE problems in addition to this specific-case advice. Thanks all! Jess __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Need Text To Wrap Underneath Images
You are just amazing Georg!!! Worked like a charm. THANK YOU!!! Now if you don't mind me asking, why is it that I need both {display: inline-block} and {display: block;}? Elli --- Gunlaug Sørtun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Elli Vizcaino wrote: How do I get the text to wrap underneath the images in this table: http://e7flux.com/placead/placead2.html - they wrap fine in FF Safari but not in IE 6 or 7. Add - verbatim... #newspapers table a {display: inline-block;} #newspapers table a {display: block;} ...and IE/win will behave as intended. If you want even better rendering in IE6, then add... * html #printonline {display: inline; overflow-x: hidden;} * html #multiple #newspapers p.free {width: auto; display: inline;} ...to kill some of those old bugs. regards Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] Negative margins versus Positioning
I was getting reaquanted with 'A List Apart's tutorial on css shadows. and i noticed they used negative margins for pulling out the image. I first asked myself, Why not use negative relative positioning? Is it a matter of choice? At first i thought, Relative positioning adds possibility that you might need an extra parent div to set positioning context, but quickly realized relative positioning doesnt need that. Is it cause the next sibling item after the item that uses relative positioning will appear in normal flow (thus annoying whitespace between siblings), thus negative margins is more natural since next item will be placed right after it [and nullifying my entire question since pointless to use relative positioning then for comparision]? I guess my question would make more sense if i was comparing absolute positioning when an extra semantic div is added to establish positioning context (with position:relative) and the image underneith uses absolute negative positioning to pull image up. but i guess i answered my own question, it adds more complex code? Thanks, Ari __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Need Text To Wrap Underneath Images
Elli Vizcaino wrote: You are just amazing Georg!!! Worked like a charm. THANK YOU!!! Now if you don't mind me asking, why is it that I need both {display: inline-block} and {display: block;}? That sequence is a suitable (for your case) way to trigger Layout[1] in old IE/win without disturbing other browsers. Of course, you can always use another 'hasLayout' trigger, if you like. regards Georg [1]http://www.satzansatz.de/cssd/onhavinglayout.html -- http://www.gunlaug.no __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Need Text To Wrap Underneath Images
Nope yours works just fine! I just needed to understand the why. Thank you! - Elli --- Gunlaug Sørtun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Elli Vizcaino wrote: You are just amazing Georg!!! Worked like a charm. THANK YOU!!! Now if you don't mind me asking, why is it that I need both {display: inline-block} and {display: block;}? That sequence is a suitable (for your case) way to trigger Layout[1] in old IE/win without disturbing other browsers. Of course, you can always use another 'hasLayout' trigger, if you like. regards Georg [1]http://www.satzansatz.de/cssd/onhavinglayout.html -- http://www.gunlaug.no __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] Bullet graphics alignment in IE6
Hi all, I've learned so much from this list in the last year or so that I'm finally attempting to hone my basic skills by duplicating some templates. I've hit a problem aligning graphic bullets with a ul. Things are fine in Firefox and Opera but the bullets are not lining up properly in IE6. You can see the problem here:- http://defaultosc.com/ The CSS and markup validate. Any suggestions where I might find a solution would be really, really appreciated. Many thanks for all the priceless info and instruction which flows from this list. Kind regards, Dermot. __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] 1px Gap in IE Win
Hi Everyone, Can anyone help me with this one? It¹s probably obvious but I¹ve just about had it! I¹m working on a PHPFox and having trouble amending the css and html. My exact problem is that there is a 1pixel gap between the navigation bar (outer2) and the main content (#main) in IE (all versions) in Windows. The background of the containing div shows through. It seems fine on everything else. I have driven myself mad trying to sort it out with margin and padding settings - can anyone help me please? The address is http://www.wacanet.org.uk. You can see the css file http://www.blackcatweb.net/waca_final.css Thanks, Kate __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] Bullet graphics alignment in IE6
Hi all, I've just sussed my problem with the graphic bullets and IE6. Got the answer on an old thread from 30th Nov 2006:- Problems with custom-image bullets (IE of course) Many thanks to Barney Carroll. Basically use graphic bullets as background images. And use background-position to place them. Oddly enough on my local browser IE6 is still a bit on and off. However its fine online. I'll settle for that! Kind regards, Dermot. __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] 1px Gap in IE Win
Hi Kate, Firstly validate your HTML please. It's hard to figure out a layout problem on an invalid code. There are TRs and TDs not open/closed and others invalid issues. Look at: http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wacanet.org.uk%2F for the invalid code. Regards, Mauricio Samy Silva http://www.maujor.com Author: Construindo Sites com CSS e (X)HTML http://livrocss.com.br - Original Message - From: Kate Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 2:07 PM Subject: [css-d] 1px Gap in IE Win Hi Everyone, Can anyone help me with this one? It¹s probably obvious but I¹ve just about had it! I¹m working on a PHPFox and having trouble amending the css and html. My exact problem is that there is a 1pixel gap between the navigation bar (outer2) and the main content (#main) in IE (all versions) in Windows. The background of the containing div shows through. It seems fine on everything else. I have driven myself mad trying to sort it out with margin and padding settings - can anyone help me please? The address is http://www.wacanet.org.uk. You can see the css file http://www.blackcatweb.net/waca_final.css Thanks, Kate __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] Site Check Please
As usual, I am back on the forum asking for a site check. Here are my known issues (as far as I can tell one is only visible in IE6 IE7): IE6 IE7 issue: The main navigation area located in the upper left area has spaces between the images I am using as links. This does not display this way in any other browser (that I am aware of). They appear to be approximately 2 to 3 pixels in height. I was also wondering how I could center the text Contact Us vertically in the green bar located across the top of the large image. I tried some different methods and nothing worked. I am guessing I am missing something simple in doing this. Any ideas? Thanks in advance for fixing any issues or giving advice. Here is the HTML: http://www.eddysound.com/msc/index.html Here is the CSS: http://www.eddysound.com/msc/main.css __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Site Check Please
Matthew Stoneback wrote: IE6 IE7 issue: The main navigation area located in the upper left area has spaces between the images I am using as links. This does not display this way in any other browser (that I am aware of). They appear to be approximately 2 to 3 pixels in height. I may be missing the obvious, but in a side-by-side on screen comparison of IE/6.0. IE/7.0, and Mac Firefox/2.0.0.14 I see no difference, I was also wondering how I could center the text Contact Us vertically in the green bar located across the top of the large image. Thanks in advance for fixing any issues or giving advice. http://www.eddysound.com/msc/index.html This will, more or less (and that's all that really counts in my book), center it vertically: #topBreak { height: /*17px amend*/2.75em; padding-top: 0.5em;/*add*/} Trivial pursuits: 1/ Never write site check for a subject line without validating the document fist. 2/ To this selector: .container {background-color:#fff; /*add*/} 3/ Remember, not to forget, that the vast majority of your users will be on IE. Make it /easy/ for children of all ages to scale the fonts in that browser. 4/ All things considered-- nice work! -- http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] No background color in IE6
On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 07:13:42 -0700 (PDT), jo try wrote: Hello, In constructing a menu I have the following problem: In IE6 the backgiund-color is NOT displayed, while it is correctly displayed in IE7 and FireFox. I have placed a simplified version on: http://www.webleer.nl/css/case02/page1.php The menu works as follows: - It displays the page it is on by denoting a red backgroud-color and an image - there is a hover on the menu to denote that you can select it and the color becomes light blue. How do I get it working so that in IE6 it works like it is supposed to and give me the red background-color? I have no idea why, but this seems to work in IE 6: .nav a:link.advies, .nav a:visited.advies { background-color: red; ... } Cordially, David -- __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Centering a variable width float ...
On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 10:20:08 -0700, corey deep wrote: Re: http://www.thevenusflytrap.org/floating/html/example.html I am having great difficulty centering a floated element ( e.g. an image w/ dropshadow ). The primary reason is the dimensions of this floated element are variable ( a maximum of 400px height and/or 400px width ) Is there is a css way to center a variable width element which contains a float ? to my knowledge the element needs to float, wrapping to fit the inside element. Does it have to be a float? I found the following idea[1] from the list Wiki[2] - recommended. [1] http://www.solstice.co.il/2008-02-26/horizontally_centering_content_with_dynamic_width_in_css [2] http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=CenteringBlockElement Cordially, David -- __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/