[css-d] IE issues: positioning and background problems

2009-01-30 Thread Elle Meredith
Hello,

I actually asked for assistance with first problem before and thought  
the problem was fixed but it is not.
I have two problems with IE:
1. Cockerel at the bottom does not get the correct z-index -- should  
be in front of the #footer on the home page
http://designbyelle.com.au/mq/

2. I'm using a background image on #timeline, which does not appear in  
IE
The page is at: http://designbyelle.com.au/mq/sailing-through-time.html

I just can't think of why this is happening in IE

Thanks,
Elle

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Re: [css-d] Problems with max-width, right aligned div and remaining height design

2009-01-30 Thread Olivier Sannier
Olivier Sannier wrote:
 Gunlaug Sørtun wrote:
 Olivier Sannier wrote:

 http://photos2.obones.com/photo.php?NoPhoto=483
 http://photos2.obones.com/photo.php?NoPhoto=484
 Maybe this got unnoticed, but I would really appreciate any help with
  these problems.
 In essence: make the basics work without trying to hack the living
 daylight out of browsers - remove all hack-attempts, so we can look at
 how to add the features you ask for help with without having to rebuild
 the entire stylesheet from scratch.
 Thanks for your answer. I have updated the site and commented out the 
 hacks in the stylesheet, but it does not look like what I would like 
 it to look like. Below are the problems I'm having.

 1. The header buttons are displayed on top of each other while I want 
 them to be displayed one next to the other. I have tried using 
 display: inline but this prevents me from using width. Basically, 
 I want the following display:
  - header takes the entire width of the window
  - header_lang is 60pixels wide
  - header_buttons takes all remaining space on the same line as 
 header_lang
  - header_button takes 25% width of its containing header_buttons 
 div. As there are four buttons, this makes them use all the width of 
 the parent.
 An example of what I would like can be seen on the production site 
 at this address: http://photos.obones.com/
 This is using tables to do the formatting, so I'm trying to get rid of 
 them as suggested here.

 2. The vertical scrollbar is showing for the entire page. I want it to 
 show only for the vbox div which is placed in the hbox div. This 
 last one has a gray background which makes it easier to distinguish 
 from the header. The hacks that I commented out were used to obtain 
 the desired effect, but I would gladly accept a more standard way of 
 achieving this. The production site mentioned at point 1 above uses 
 frames to get this, but frames are no longer to be used, so I'm trying 
 to redesign the site.

 Thank you all for your help.

 Regards
 Olivier 

I had some troubles with the list, so maybe my answer was not seen 
properly, or by everyone, so I'm answering myself here in the hope 
someone will have clues as to my problems above.

Thanks in advance
Olivier
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Re: [css-d] IE issues: positioning and background problems

2009-01-30 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Elle Meredith wrote:

 1. Cockerel at the bottom does not get the correct z-index -- should 
 be in front of the #footer on the home page 
 http://designbyelle.com.au/mq/

The test-file I sent you corrections for IE from before...
http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/alien/em/test_09_0111.html
...with stylesheets so you can sort out what went missing...
http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/alien/em/test_09_0111_files/layout00.css
http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/alien/em/test_09_0111_files/master00.css
http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/alien/em/test_09_0111_files/reset000.css
http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/alien/em/test_09_0111_files/screen00.css


 2. I'm using a background image on #timeline, which does not appear 
 in IE The page is at: 
 http://designbyelle.com.au/mq/sailing-through-time.html

Add a 'hasLayout' trigger for IE to #timeline...

#timeline { height: 1%;}


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Re: [css-d] text positioning

2009-01-30 Thread David McGlone
On Thursday 29 January 2009 9:31:54 pm you wrote:
 David McGlone wrote:
  I'm thinking that even though there are more than 1 words, closing
  the tag after each word does not make it a whole new box that can be
  moved individually.
 
  Am I thinking correctly?

 No, I'm afraid your thinking is flawed for positioning bits of text on
 top of a fixed background (image).

 For the left column only: if you want to use a fixed background for your
 text - links or whatever, this is the most steady method...
 http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/alien/dmg/test_09_0130.html
 http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/alien/dmg/test_09_0130_files/styles00.css
 ...where individual paragraphs are absolute positioned.

 Those paragraphs will adjust vertically for font resizing, but long
 lines will overflow horizontally pretty quickly.

 If you want links instead, just replace the ps with as.


 Sidenote:

 The entire http://www.dmcentral.net/eweb/ shows that you're relying on
 what you see for browser-defaults at your end - your layout has no
 flexibility. Not a good idea since that means your layout is doomed to
 fail...
 http://www.gunlaug.no/contents/wd_additions_37.html
 ...and I do not think you want that :-)

You're correct. I make changes and look at it with firefox. I'm aware it 
probably will not look the same in different versions of IE, Opera, etc, but I 
haven't figured out what to do to fix this. What would you recommend?

 You're also declaring a number of properties/values back to their
 default-values. Although there's no harm in doing so, you get a lot of
 unnecessary declarations in there.

All those other declarations on the page are just junk. I started 
experimenting with an old CSS file from 2003. It's been years, but that is 
what happens when one has kids. LOL

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[css-d] a png not displaying!

2009-01-30 Thread Ian Young
Odd one here.

http://www.dbadvertising.co.uk/dev/index-test.php

 

All the pngs display in IE6 fine with exception of the address logo.

 

Style sheet is at /dev/includes/ie-fix.css and /style-new.css.

 

I cannot for the life of me see where the error lies.

 

You guys any thoughts?

 

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Re: [css-d] text positioning

2009-01-30 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
David McGlone wrote:

 You're correct. I make changes and look at it with firefox. I'm aware
  it probably will not look the same in different versions of IE, 
 Opera, etc, but I haven't figured out what to do to fix this. What 
 would you recommend?

Apart from with IE6-7-8, don't mind browser _versions_ too much. There
are too many...

Unless you experiment heavily with CSS3 and/or proprietary CSS, the
latest versions of Firefox, Opera, Safari etc. will pretty much handle
all reasonably well thought-out and standards compliant layouts/designs
the same.
The major browsers are available on win-XP and up for testing, and if
you run on another OS you still can get hold of most. Always good to see
for yourself what's going on.

What you _should_ do is to stress-test your layouts and final
designs/pages a bit in Firefox - since that's your preference. At least
200% font resizing (not page zooming) usually reveals most weaknesses in
a layout/design/finished page, and is a good starting-point for checking
design quality and basic accessibility - see: WCAG2 standard.

 All those other declarations on the page are just junk. I started 
 experimenting with an old CSS file from 2003. It's been years, but 
 that is what happens when one has kids. LOL

Maybe better to start with a clean sheet then, and catch up on CSS 2.1
now that you have a chance :-)

Tip: avoid absolute positioning for major elements (containers) in a
page, and don't fix vertical dimensions on them.

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Re: [css-d] a png not displaying!

2009-01-30 Thread Martyn Merrett
Yep found it... in the ie-fix.css you've linked to:
src='../images/Adress-top-3.png'
Yet the image is /images/Address-top-2b.png

Make that change and it should be sorted :)

~Mx
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2009/1/30 Ian Young i...@iyesolutions.co.uk:
 Odd one here.

 http://www.dbadvertising.co.uk/dev/index-test.php



 All the pngs display in IE6 fine with exception of the address logo.



 Style sheet is at /dev/includes/ie-fix.css and /style-new.css.



 I cannot for the life of me see where the error lies.



 You guys any thoughts?



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Re: [css-d] a png not displaying!

2009-01-30 Thread Ian Young
Nah

Sorry that doesn't make any difference. The script is designed to replace
what is in the html. I don't think the problem is in the ie-fix, because if
I strip everything out and just use the .flash_home div it works ok. 

However, if you look at page now, I have made the changes to save any
confusion.

Best regards

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 Yep found it... in the ie-fix.css you've linked to:
 src='../images/Adress-top-3.png'
 Yet the image is /images/Address-top-2b.png
 
 Make that change and it should be sorted :)
 
 ~Mx
 http://www.mxdx.co.uk
 
 
 
 2009/1/30 Ian Young i...@iyesolutions.co.uk:
  Odd one here.
 
  http://www.dbadvertising.co.uk/dev/index-test.php
 
 
 
  All the pngs display in IE6 fine with exception of the address logo.
 
 
 
  Style sheet is at /dev/includes/ie-fix.css and /style-new.css.
 
 
 
  I cannot for the life of me see where the error lies.
 
 
 
  You guys any thoughts?
 
 
 
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[css-d] horizontal menu wrapping in IE6

2009-01-30 Thread A.K. Allen
Hello All,

I have a horizontal menu that is wrapping in IE6.  It consists of a ul with 
background images.  Here is the page:

http://frank.mtsu.edu/~mtabroad/sa_students/about_test.shtml

Here are the styles:

#header ul {
 margin: 0;
 padding: 0;
 width: 784px;
 height: 70px;
 _height: 71px;
 border-bottom: 1px solid #ccc;
 list-style: none;
 float: left;
 margin: 10px 0 0 0;
}
#header ul li {
 float: left;
 width: 98px;
 margin: 0;
}
a.welcome, a.about, a.calendar, a.programs, a.apply, a.funding, a.pdorient, 
a.reorient {
 display: block;
 float: left;
 text-decoration: none;
 font: bold #00 11px Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
  width: 88px;
 _width: 98px;
 padding: 43px 5px 0 5px;
 text-align: center;
}

Can anyone help me fix this?

Thanks,
Kris


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Re: [css-d] horizontal menu wrapping in IE6

2009-01-30 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
A.K. Allen wrote:

 I have a horizontal menu that is wrapping in IE6.
 
 http://frank.mtsu.edu/~mtabroad/sa_students/about_test.shtml

Add...
* html #header ul li {overflow-x: hidden;}
...to prevent the anchors from expanding the list-items in IE6.

BTW: IE6 is in standards mode, so hacking width to include side-paddings
on anchors in it is a bit misplaced. Side-paddings are added to width in
that mode.

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Re: [css-d] a png not displaying!

2009-01-30 Thread Highpowered
Ian Young wrote:
 Nah

 Sorry that doesn't make any difference. The script is designed to replace
 what is in the html. I don't think the problem is in the ie-fix, because if
 I strip everything out and just use the .flash_home div it works ok. 

 From the head...

!--[if gte IE 5.5]
![if lt IE 7]
link rel=stylesheet href=./includes/ie-fix.css 
type=text/css /
![endif]
![endif]--

I don't use conditional comments very much, but I'm not so sure you can 
nest them like this...

Have you tried using only the lt IE7 and taking away the gte 5.5 
wrapper?

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[css-d] Issue with third column in Faux Columns layout

2009-01-30 Thread Emily Songster
Greetings:

My website that is presently live (www.emspacedesign.com), is working perfectly 
in Firefox on the Mac, but it's showing white gaps at the bottom of the second 
or third column in all of the other browsers. 

So I decided to use the Faux Columns layout technique to solve the problem. I'm 
very close to making it work, but I'm having this one issue:
I can't seem to get the subnavigation (bio / testimonials / mission / what's an 
emspace) in the third column to line up correctly. It needs to be directly 
under the about. Here's the location of my test file: 
http://www.emspacedesign.com/bio2.html


I tried switching the order of the divs, and that put it in the right place, 
but then it pushed down the second column and left a big white gap in the that 
column. What am I doing wrong?

Thanks,
Emily


  
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[css-d] getting lists to align right in ie7

2009-01-30 Thread Sandy
hey all,

there is a problem I hope you can help with - I am pretty much at the 
end of my rope.

I have a page where I would like some things to line up on the right, 
and it's working in the browsers I've tested except for IE6 and 7.

I've got it more or less looking right in 7, if you don't look too 
closely. To get the two lists in the menu to align right, I have an ie7 
specific style which reads

.menu ul li {
float : right;
}

now - this is good except that the links are now in the opposite order 
than I want them.

http://www.caut.ca/ugfa/test/test3.html
http://www.caut.ca/ugfa/test/js_css/test3.css
http://www.caut.ca/ugfa/test/js_css/ie7-hacks3.css
http://www.caut.ca/ugfa/test/js_css/ie6-hacks3.css

thanks in advance.
Sandy
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[css-d] Two Column Dropdown Menu

2009-01-30 Thread Michael Halvorsen
Hello,

Our content has greatly expanded and we're getting to the point where we are
running out of space with our drop downs.

I have been on the White Houses new website quite a bit lately trying to
figure out how to something similar. I was wondering if anyone had a link to
a write up on two column css drop downs as everything I have found in Google
usually deals with the overall layout.

I don't need it to be as complex as the White Houses, I just need something
to go off as a start.

http://whitehouse.gov


Thanks,
Michael
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[css-d] gettings lists to align right

2009-01-30 Thread Sandy
hey all,

there is a problem I hope you can help with - I am pretty much at the 
end of my rope.

I have a page where I would like some things to line up on the right, 
and it's working in the browsers I've tested except for IE6 and 7.

I've got it more or less looking right in 7, if you don't look too 
closely. To get the two lists in the menu to align right, I have an ie7 
specific style which reads

.menu ul li {
float : right;
}

now - this is good except that the links are now in the opposite order 
than I want them.

http://www.caut.ca/ugfa/test/test3.html
http://www.caut.ca/ugfa/test/js_css/test3.css
http://www.caut.ca/ugfa/test/js_css/ie7-hacks3.css
http://www.caut.ca/ugfa/test/js_css/ie6-hacks3.css

thanks in advance.
(also apologies if I've sent this twice - a little email trouble)

Sandy

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[css-d] stacking obscuring links in IE6

2009-01-30 Thread Debbie Campbell
I'm having what I think is a stacking issue in IE6 - the menu links on 
the left are not clickable, except for 'Contact.' But I can't see the 
problem - can someone help? Greatly appreciated.

 http://www.vicschendel.com/portfolio.php

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Re: [css-d] Issue with third column in Faux Columns layout

2009-01-30 Thread David Laakso
Emily Songster wrote:
 Greetings:

 My website that is presently live (www.emspacedesign.com), is working 
 perfectly in Firefox on the Mac


Is it?
Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.4; en-US; rv:1.9.0.5) 
Gecko/2008120121 Firefox/3.0.5

Gap bottom right column:
http://www.emspacedesign.com/print.html
http://www.emspacedesign.com/contact.html
http://www.emspacedesign.com/web.html
http://www.emspacedesign.com/identity.html
http://www.emspacedesign.com/exhibit.html
http://www.emspacedesign.com/packaging.html

 Emily

   


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Re: [css-d] Two Column Dropdown Menu

2009-01-30 Thread David Laakso
Michael Halvorsen wrote:
 Hello,

 Our content has greatly expanded and we're getting to the point where we are
 running out of space with our drop downs.
   



Then you may need a site map ;-) ?




 Thanks,
 Michael
   


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Re: [css-d] stacking obscuring links in IE6

2009-01-30 Thread David Laakso
Debbie Campbell wrote:
 I'm having what I think is a stacking issue in IE6 - the menu links on 
 the left are not clickable, except for 'Contact.' But I can't see the 
 problem - can someone help? Greatly appreciated.

   
 http://www.vicschendel.com/portfolio.php
 

   



Does adding width trigger hasLayout [1] on your end in IE/6 ?
#navlist li a, #navlist li a:link, #navlist li a:visited {width: 160px;}   
[1] http://www.satzansatz.de/cssd/onhavinglayout.html


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Re: [css-d] text positioning

2009-01-30 Thread David McGlone
On Friday 30 January 2009 9:01:39 am Gunlaug Sørtun wrote:
 David McGlone wrote:
  You're correct. I make changes and look at it with firefox. I'm aware
   it probably will not look the same in different versions of IE,
  Opera, etc, but I haven't figured out what to do to fix this. What
  would you recommend?

 Apart from with IE6-7-8, don't mind browser _versions_ too much. There
 are too many...

 Unless you experiment heavily with CSS3 and/or proprietary CSS, the
 latest versions of Firefox, Opera, Safari etc. will pretty much handle
 all reasonably well thought-out and standards compliant layouts/designs
 the same.
 The major browsers are available on win-XP and up for testing, and if
 you run on another OS you still can get hold of most. Always good to see
 for yourself what's going on.

 What you _should_ do is to stress-test your layouts and final
 designs/pages a bit in Firefox - since that's your preference. At least
 200% font resizing (not page zooming) usually reveals most weaknesses in
 a layout/design/finished page, and is a good starting-point for checking
 design quality and basic accessibility - see: WCAG2 standard.

  All those other declarations on the page are just junk. I started
  experimenting with an old CSS file from 2003. It's been years, but
  that is what happens when one has kids. LOL

 Maybe better to start with a clean sheet then, and catch up on CSS 2.1
 now that you have a chance :-)

 Tip: avoid absolute positioning for major elements (containers) in a
 page, and don't fix vertical dimensions on them.

Thanks Georg, You've been a great help! Your responses have also helped me 
keep my confidence.

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Re: [css-d] text positioning

2009-01-30 Thread David Laakso
David McGlone wrote:
 I've been doing a lot of CSS coding lately and I'm having a slight problem 
 with text positioning. I cannot seem to position any of the words after the 
 first word.

   

RE: http://www.dmcentral.net/eweb/

Georg Sortun has answered your question. Taking it a step further, 
making it happen, takes grace, dignity, and above all else, a fast car.[1]
http://www.chelseacreekstudio.com/ca/cssd/test-107.html
Notes on file. Strict doctype. Primary content precedes navigation. May 
holds at twice user default. Ouick checked IE 6/7, Opera, Safari, 
Camino, Firefox.
http://www.chelseacreekstudio.com/ca/cssd/test-107.html
[1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl6yilkU1LI

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Re: [css-d] width of scrollable table

2009-01-30 Thread Jim Albert
Philippe Wittenbergh wrote:
 On Jan 29, 2009, at 7:10 AM, Jim Albert wrote:
 
 It seems like the only way I can get table to be clipped properly  
 and
 scroll is to give a pixel length to the width of the DIV.

 I thought I could use:
 DIV style=width: 100%; overflow: auto;
 and I was expecting that the table would fill the width of the browser
 and then scroll horizontally when necessary. But what happens is the
 table expands out to the size needed to display all the images in the
 row of the table and in most cases causing the entire browser to  
 gain a
 horizontal scroll bar.
 
 That is what should happen, and happens in a couple of browsers I  
 happen to have open.
 Do you have a URL of a page showing the issue (in which browser) ? It  
 is _always_ more easy to discuss things with sample code.

I believe my problem is related to me placing the scrolling table within 
a table cell. I think I understand what some browsers are doing and 
perhaps there is a CSS solution that can be offered.

Here are some simple examples:
http://www6.netrition.com/scroll_table_by_itself.html
This is a simple scrolling table that uses 100% width of the browser 
window and adjusts itself according to the size of the browser window. 
No problem; works fine in all browsers I've tried... Firefox, IE, 
Safari, Opera.

http://www6.netrition.com/scroll_table_within_table.html
Here I've placed that same scrolling table within a cell of an outer 
table. Notice that no scrolling appears. This behavior occurs in 
Firefox, IE and Safari. Only in Opera do I see the rendering that I 
would like. Opera sees that that middle cell of images is within a 
scrolling area and does not render the table with enough room for all 
the images.

What I think is happening is that Firefox, IE and Safari are first 
determining table size based on the contents and determines it needs a 
lot of width to display all those images. It then assigns 100% of that 
very wide 2nd cell which is the table of images for scrolling. But since 
enough space was rendered to display all the images, no scrolling is 
necessary.

I tried assigning widths to the 1st and 3rd outer cells. However, that 
has no affect, the table is still rendered large enough to display all 
the images at once. I don't want to assign widths, anyway.

I like the rendering that Opera does. Is there some CSS I can apply that 
indicates to the browser not to render as much space as is necessary to 
display all the images within the 2nd cell? In other words... render the 
table and make use of the scrolling so that all three cells of the outer 
table are visible in the browser.

Thank you.

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Re: [css-d] text positioning

2009-01-30 Thread David McGlone
On Friday 30 January 2009 9:26:46 pm David Laakso wrote:
 David McGlone wrote:
  I've been doing a lot of CSS coding lately and I'm having a slight
  problem with text positioning. I cannot seem to position any of the words
  after the first word.

 RE: http://www.dmcentral.net/eweb/

 Georg Sortun has answered your question. Taking it a step further,
 making it happen, takes grace, dignity, and above all else, a fast
 car.[1] http://www.chelseacreekstudio.com/ca/cssd/test-107.html
 Notes on file. Strict doctype. Primary content precedes navigation. May
 holds at twice user default. Ouick checked IE 6/7, Opera, Safari,
 Camino, Firefox.
 http://www.chelseacreekstudio.com/ca/cssd/test-107.html
 [1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl6yilkU1LI

 Tracy

Wow David, it looks great! can the source be downloaded? I'm actually excited 
to see how you did this. 
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Re: [css-d] width of scrollable table

2009-01-30 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh

On Jan 31, 2009, at 12:33 PM, Jim Albert wrote:

 http://www6.netrition.com/scroll_table_within_table.html
 Here I've placed that same scrolling table within a cell of an outer  
 table. Notice that no scrolling appears. This behavior occurs in  
 Firefox, IE and Safari. Only in Opera do I see the rendering that I  
 would like. Opera sees that that middle cell of images is within a  
 scrolling area and does not render the table with enough room for  
 all the images.

 What I think is happening is that Firefox, IE and Safari are first  
 determining table size based on the contents and determines it needs  
 a lot of width to display all those images. It then assigns 100% of  
 that very wide 2nd cell which is the table of images for scrolling.  
 But since enough space was rendered to display all the images, no  
 scrolling is necessary.

That is the expected behaviour actually, given what css2.1 has to say  
on tables with 'table-layout:auto;' applied (the default behaviour).

 I tried assigning widths to the 1st and 3rd outer cells. However,  
 that has no affect, the table is still rendered large enough to  
 display all the images at once. I don't want to assign widths, anyway.

If you insist on using a table for the outer layout, you'll have to  
assign a width to those two cells (you can set it to be a percentage  
width, though).
Then, to insure control over that scrolling object, you have to set  
the (outer) table to table-layout:fixed and give it a width (e.g.  
100%;).

Philippe
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Re: [css-d] text positioning

2009-01-30 Thread David McGlone
On Friday 30 January 2009 9:26:46 pm David Laakso wrote:
 David McGlone wrote:
  I've been doing a lot of CSS coding lately and I'm having a slight
  problem with text positioning. I cannot seem to position any of the words
  after the first word.

 RE: http://www.dmcentral.net/eweb/

 Georg Sortun has answered your question. Taking it a step further,
 making it happen, takes grace, dignity, and above all else, a fast
 car.[1] http://www.chelseacreekstudio.com/ca/cssd/test-107.html
 Notes on file. Strict doctype. Primary content precedes navigation. May
 holds at twice user default. Ouick checked IE 6/7, Opera, Safari,
 Camino, Firefox.
 http://www.chelseacreekstudio.com/ca/cssd/test-107.html
 [1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl6yilkU1LI

 Tracy

never mind my last e-mail, I was so flabbergasted I forgot that I can look at 
the page source. 
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Re: [css-d] Issue with third column in Faux Columns layout

2009-01-30 Thread David Laakso
Emily Songster wrote:
 Greetings:

 My website that is presently live (www.emspacedesign.com), is working 
 perfectly in Firefox on the Mac, but it's showing white gaps at the bottom of 
 the second or third column in all of the other browsers. 

 So I decided to use the Faux Columns layout technique to solve the problem. 
 I'm very close to making it work, but I'm having this one issue:
 I can't seem to get the subnavigation (bio / testimonials / mission / what's 
 an emspace) in the third column to line up correctly. It needs to be directly 
 under the about. Here's the location of my test file: 
 http://www.emspacedesign.com/bio2.html
   

Since the fonts are set so tiny (35.5% less than user default on the 
body) with a mix of em values throughout and a margin with a percent 
value and some elements with a height set, the survival of site's pages 
is dependent on your font-size preference, rather than what may be theirs...

With regard to subnavigation question, what browsers are giving you 
difficulty? Seems okay, I think, in Mac OS X 10.4.11 Opera, Safari, and 
FF. And okay in XP IE 6/7 with the exception of this page [1] in IE/6 
that experiences float drop of the right column.

Aside: You may want to look into fixing the short page shift [2]

[1]
http://www.emspacedesign.com/print.html
[2]
http://www.communitymx.com/content/article.cfm?cid=528a0



 Emily

   

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Re: [css-d] Two Column Dropdown Menu

2009-01-30 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Michael Halvorsen wrote:

 Our content has greatly expanded and we're getting to the point where
  we are running out of space with our drop downs.

Drop-downs easily run out of space and off screen, and size of available
browser window is normally a big unknown.

Anyway, you probably only need the basics, so this may get you started...
http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/moa_41.html

Source-code pretty much the same as the WH uses - without all
unnecessary IDs, CLASSes and unnecessary elements. The method and CSS is
very different though, and incomplete (lacking fixes for) for IE7 and
lower.

If you don't like my CSS - steal the WH's ones :-)

regards
Georg
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Re: [css-d] horizontal menu wrapping in IE6

2009-01-30 Thread David Laakso
A.K. Allen wrote:

 I have a horizontal menu that is wrapping in IE6.  It consists of a ul with 
 background images.  Here is the page:

 http://frank.mtsu.edu/~mtabroad/sa_students/about_test.shtml


 Can anyone help me fix this?

 Thanks,
 Kris

   

Can you be more specific because in a side by side comparison it looks 
the same in FF and IE/6.0. You may want to delete the height on the ul 
so it doesn't break when the mousetype is scaled-- assuming the faculty 
and brighter students know how to do that in the world's most popular 
browsers. Or are they all Firefox, Safari, Camino, SeaMonkey, or Opera 
converts at Middle Tennessee State University.  ;-) .


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Re: [css-d] text positioning

2009-01-30 Thread David Laakso
David McGlone wrote:



 http://www.chelseacreekstudio.com/ca/cssd/test-107.html


 Tracy
 

 Wow David, it looks great! can the source be downloaded? I'm actually excited 
 to see how you did this.


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Do whatever you want with it or to it.

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