[css-d] Old IE6 Problem again
Hi, Working on a site and just got to test out in IE 6 and run into a problem that looks like the empty div problem but I cannot spot one. Here is the page http://www.leadersmith.org.uk/tnbda/about.htm the thing that does wrong is the Case Studies list in the bottom of the left column. When I use full screen it had no problem, but in a smaller window where the whole page does not fit the case study does not show until you scroll to the bottom right and then hover over the Case Study area. Any help appreciated. Nic __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] Css Problem with IE
Hi Guys, I've been struggling with an IE problem. See the following http://www.leadersmith.org.uk/gt/test3.htm its extracted from a site I'm working on. The last member has the name missing (its Member). Its there in the html but is not showing. If I remove the background color I can then see all the names, but I need the background white. Works fine in Opera and FF. Fails in IE 6 and IE 7. Any Ideas. Regards Nic __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Css Problem with IE
Hi Els, The problem was the nbsp;. And yes all those id's where all wrong. It was a once off originally forgot to change it when I reused them. I use and empty clear all over the place I had better search for that style use. Thanks, Given your prompt replies I should have asked earlier, however it might help embed the learning. Nic -Original Message- From: css-d-boun...@lists.css-discuss.org [mailto:css-d-boun...@lists.css-discuss.org] On Behalf Of Els Sent: 12 March 2009 15:49 To: n...@lasadev.com; css-d@lists.css-discuss.org Subject: Re: [css-d] Css Problem with IE Nic Pulford wrote: I've been struggling with an IE problem. See the following http://www.leadersmith.org.uk/gt/test3.htm its extracted from a site I'm working on. The last member has the name missing (its Member). Its there in the html but is not showing. If I remove the background color I can then see all the names, but I need the background white. Works fine in Opera and FF. Fails in IE 6 and IE 7. Any Ideas. Good old peek-a-boo, caused by clearing styles. If you add a nbsp; inside the last div class=clear/div, the problem is gone in IE7. This might just be an unnecessary hack though, see below. Can't test in IE6 really, as in my version it doesn't even show any of the names - my version is JavaScript-cripled, could have something to do with that. Could also be due to errors in the code, as you have 4 divs, each with id=userBox, and also 4 with id=userboxbuttons. You can't have multple IDs with the same name on one page. Best to change those IDs to classes, so they can be reused on the page. -- Els __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] Site Check.
Hi All, Just release a site that I thought was fully tested, but someone complained that the did not get a complete page load. They got no banner image and none of the menu links acted as a link. They are not terribly IT literate but could at least tell me they were using IE7. Any ideas? The pages have the pair of chars identifying the file as Unicode, code that be it? The site is www.lasadev.com http://www.lasadev.com/ Any help appreciated. Nic __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Site Check.
Hi Thanks for5 the feed back, I'll work on the jumping I use Dojo I guess it trying to do too much or not using the shrunk version. I was aware of the UTF-8 characters at the from, I'll sort that. Surprised about the version of XHTML as all main pages come from one template in Expression Web. I'll sort that. I now suspect that the person who has the problem has a problem with the PC. It does not seem to display Gif's and when asked to look at the source, IE could not find Notebook. Thanks again, Nic -Original Message- From: David Laakso [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 October 2008 12:18 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org Subject: Re: [css-d] Site Check. Nic Pulford wrote: Just release a site that I thought was fully tested, but someone complained that the did not get a complete page load. They got no banner image and none of the menu links acted as a link. They are not terribly IT literate but could at least tell me they were using IE7. Any ideas? The pages have the pair of chars identifying the file as Unicode, code that be it? The site is www.lasadev.com http://www.lasadev.com/ Nic All pages loaded the banner image and the links seemed to work on this end in XP IE/6 and IE/7 (although the jumping on link click is a little nerve wracking). Your editor (Dreamweaver?) has to be configured not add the byte-order mark (BOM) to your stylesheet; and html, javacript, or php documents. Some of your pages have an XHTML 1.0 Transitional doctype: others have an XHTML 1.1 doctype. XHTML 1.0 Strict' may be a more suitable doctype for all of your pages. -- A thin red line and a salmon-color ampersand forthcoming. http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Site Check.
Yes the font changes with screen size. The idea is to compensate for the different screen sizes, but left it as browser window size. I(t does have a min and max though. I guess its my old age on my screen on some sites I really struggle to read them, so this me compensating. Nic -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rod Castello Sent: 28 October 2008 15:14 To: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [css-d] Site Check. --- On Tue, 10/28/08, Nic Pulford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Nic Pulford [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [css-d] Site Check. To: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 10:44 AM Hi All, Just release a site that I thought was fully tested, but someone complained that the did not get a complete page load. They got no banner image and none of the menu links acted as a link. They are not terribly IT literate but could at least tell me they were using IE7. Any ideas? Can anyone explain why the font-size gets smaller when the browser window size is decreased in width? I viewed it on Firefox 2 on a Mac. Nic, is this something that you planned in your design? css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Fixed div and Anchors
Hi Georg, That was helpful. Sharing my problem I'm working on a large existing site, 200+ pages, which was put together by the owners. I'm doing some style changes without changing page content. Each page has about 4 anchors and being lazy I do not want to edit each one and make the changes with purely style changes. I know what I have to do, due to lack of consistency of the pages I have no choice but to edit each page. At least they will be consistent. Thanks for the help. Nic -Original Message- From: Gunlaug Sørtun [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 June 2008 09:34 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org Subject: Re: [css-d] Fixed div and Anchors Nic Pulford wrote: Your right, it does work with anchors. My solution does not work in IE 6, and the problem with your solution is that it changes the layout of the rest. I don't know anything about your layout, so it doesn't surprise me that something that isn't built for and/or tested and tweaked to fit, doesn't. Your solution Only works in IE 6 if the anchor contains something ie 'testing'. IE6 treats anchors like that no matter how they're styled, IIRC. In the old days I used to put in a no-breaking space to solve that problem, and control the anchor's visual size and effects on its surroundings with 'overflow: hidden'. Any ideas? Maybe ... if I get to see the actual layout that needs them. BTW: here's the Named Anchors and Fixed Headers? posts from last year... http://archivist.incutio.com/viewlist/css-discuss/93615 regards Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Fixed div and Anchors
Hi Georg, It took some working out as it does not work with an anchor, you need a div Then if the height of the header is 50px then the div style should be margin-top: -50px; height: 50px; width: 1px; it then goes fine for right at the top. By increasing both values you can bring the anchor point down a bit which is good. Thanks for that. Nic -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gunlaug Sørtun Sent: 20 June 2008 18:24 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org Subject: Re: [css-d] Fixed div and Anchors Nic Pulford wrote: Some time ago, about a year I think, there was some discussion about using fixed divs to fix a header at the top of the page and allow the main content to scroll under it, this requires a spacer at the top of the content to make the viewable start of the page below the header. The problem comes when the site uses anchors the browsers of course make sure the anchor is at the top of the page, which is under the header. Is there a good solution to making the anchor appear so you can see it. I've solved the problem in one particular case [on CSS-D] by styling the anchor with an invisible top-extension - 1px wide and as tall as the fixed header + the part you want to see. That'll let the browsers align the anchor at the top and keep the relevant content down where it's visible. I can probably dig up my local demo-case again (one day) if necessary, but it shouldn't be too hard to style an in-page anchor to achieve such an offset effect. (I prefer fixed footers and sidebars myself, so I don't run into the problem.) regards Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Fixed div and Anchors
Hi Georg,
Your right, it does work with anchors. My solution does not work in IE 6,
and the problem with your solution is that it changes the layout of the
rest.
Your solution Only works in IE 6 if the anchor contains something ie
'testing'.
Any ideas?
Nic
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Subject: Re: [css-d] Fixed div and Anchors
Nic Pulford wrote:
It took some working out as it does not work with an anchor, you need
a div Then if the height of the header is 50px then the div style
should be margin-top: -50px; height: 50px; width: 1px; it then goes
fine for right at the top. By increasing both values you can bring
the anchor point down a bit which is good.
It does work with an anchor if the display property is set correctly.
Both 'display: block' and 'display: inline-block' will make an anchor
controllable.
Try this...
#item4 {display: inline-block; padding-top: 100px!important; width: 10px; }
a id=item4 testing /a
...and you'll get the desired effect in all supporting browsers.
Add offset that suits the actual layout.
regards
Georg
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[css-d] Fixed div and Anchors
Some time ago, about a year I think, there was some discussion about using fixed divs to fix a header at the top of the page and allow the main content to scroll under it, this requires a spacer at the top of the content to make the viewable start of the page below the header. The problem comes when the site uses anchors the browsers of course make sure the anchor is at the top of the page, which is under the header. Is there a good solution to making the anchor appear so you can see it. Regards Nic __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] [ADMIN] Re: Mail sent not getting through
A trap I frequently fall fowl of is using the wrong email account to post with. My default email address is not the one I subscribed with. If I forget to select the right email account the message just gets dropped. I'm also forgetful enough to press reply instead of reply all when replying on the list. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Robinson Sent: 05 July 2007 11:40 To: Marcus Taylor; kate; css-d@lists.css-discuss.org Subject: [css-d] [ADMIN] Re: Mail sent not getting through At 11:12 +0100 5/7/07, Marcus Taylor wrote: No. All good for me... On 5/7/07 11:10, kate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone having problems with mail delivery to the list? Thanks Kate From http://www.css-discuss.org/policies.html If you suddenly stop receiving list mail, do not post a test message. Either one of two things has happened: your account was disabled for bounces, or the list itself is down. You can check the first case by logging into your account and looking around-there will be big red-on-yellow text if your account has been disabled. In the second case, you'll do no good by posting, and look foolish when the list does come back up. If it's taking a long time for your post to show up, wait. When traffic flows are heavy and the server gets overtaxed, it can be a few hours before your message gets processed and sent out to everyone. On the other hand, if you can see from the timestamps that people who posted after you have had their messages go out, something else may be wrong. Wait a while longer, and then contact the list administrators. Do not post a test message to the list. It will either have no effect, or make you look foolish. This has been your regularly scheduled Make sure you've read the list policies before posting message. Alex css-d moderator __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7 information -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7 information -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Firefox problem with menu's
Ok I found the problem it was all to do with the resizing and the fact that the header had a fixed height and overlaid the Menu. Set height to auto and the problem went away. Not sure why you think I should be using XHTML as extension, browsers should be using the DOCTYPE to work out what to do not the extension. What about my PHP site's. All the pop-up blockers I have in my browsers allow it. It is something to do with on and off site. I use Opera as my main browser. I'm rethinking my resizing, it is necessary. Most site I find I cannot read at my screen resolution and I use Opera's zoom all the time (it helps to have a mouse with zoom buttons). But as we roll out more web 2.0 stuff JavaScript is essential. The default font-size works OK fine in 800x600 screens, maybe I should wake up to the fact that these days the minimum is 1024x768. Thanks for the feed back. Regards, Nic -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Hucklesby Sent: 09 June 2007 17:08 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; css-d@lists.css-discuss.org Subject: Re: [css-d] Firefox problem with menu's On Thu, 7 Jun 2007 13:31:38 +0100, Nic Pulford wrote: http://lasadev.com/NewLasa/articles.htm now try and click on the menu link for home. On my version of firefox 2.0.0.4 you only get the hand cursor when the cursor is about level with and only over the area equivalent to an underline. Which is not very good for anybody yet alone poor mouse users. Hi Nic, I am not seeing this problem here - FF 2.0.0.4 on Win xp Pro. The other problem is with the popup window that is opened if you click on one of the links to articles from the page above. There neither of the menu links work at all, no mouseover and click does nothing. I get the popup, too! It looks like your problem is local to your test setup. :\ There are some problems that I do see, however: - If JavaScript is disabled, I get a font size of 8px. That's equivalent to a point size of 4pt on my laptop. Almost invisible. - The popup text displays at 10px - 6pt equivalent here. That's a bit small for comfort, especially on a complete article. - You have a file name suffix of .htm so, absent some clever server- side tricks, browsers see HTML. But your DOCTYPE is XHTML 1.1 which is intended to be displayed as XHTML only. I suggest using a file name suffix of .xhtml[1] or use XHTML 1.0. - I'd also suggest using regular links in place of a popup. With the increasing popularity of popup blockers, visitors are likely to have problems with accessing the articles. IE and Opera are OK. But Opera has a built-in popup blocker. The Google toolbar adds one to IE. I am also getting the same teensy text with JS turned off. (FWIW - I usually turn off JS when visiting sites unknown.) [1] But note that IE (alone) can't handle such files. Cordially, David -- __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7 information -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7 information -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] Firefox problem with menu's
Hi, I'm just updating a site and having problems with the way it is handling my navigation links. There are two pages concerned. http://lasadev.com/NewLasa/articles.htm now try and click on the menu link for home. On my version of firefox 2.0.0.4 you only get the hand cursor when the cursor is about level with and only over the area equivalent to an underline. Which is not very good for anybody yet alone poor mouse users. The other problem is with the popup window that is opened if you click on one of the links to articles from the page above. There neither of the menu links work at all, no mouseover and click does nothing. IE and Opera are OK. Any ideas? Regards Nic __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7 information -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Weak layout
On my site I have only one pixel setting and that is the font size in the body style everything else is in % or em's. On my new site I dynamically change the size of everything according to screen size. Also if the client has installed a client side stylesheet changing the font-size in body my site will automatically adjust. Regards Nic -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sarah Atkinson Sent: 07 June 2007 14:32 To: 'Paul Novitski'; css-d@lists.css-discuss.org Subject: Re: [css-d] Weak layout Probably what would be optimal with CSS is to have different designs and different style sheets for various common visual impairments. What would be great is if it were standardized and so people with certain disabilities would automatically be served up their style sheet based on their browser settings. Then Web designers would create a normal.css, largetype.css, protan.css, deuteran.css, and a Tritan.css. But this would require consensus among designers, CSS world, and the browsers. Sarah -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Novitski Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 1:26 AM To: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org Subject: Re: [css-d] Weak layout I've never understood the sense of that criterion, e.g. the page should survive two [or three] font size enlargements. Doesn't that depend entirely on what size the smallest font on the page is? What I don't know is if there's any kind of a minimum font size that we should ensure our readers can achieve. I doubt that there is one, given the variation in vision impairments, but I'll be curious to know what others think. Regards, Paul __ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7 information -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7 information -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] Site Check Please
Can someone check this site template out please. http://www.lasadev.com/NewLasa/ I have looked at IE 7.0 Opera and Firefox on PC's the Mac is where it needs checking. Sorry it has a lot of java in it, it is supposed to change size as you reduce screen size. It does not go down to PDA screen size though. Comments welcome. Thanks, Nic __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7 information -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] IE problem Negative Margin
First time did not seem to get through, I must remember to use the right email account. I have a test page http://gamma.hostaga.com/~nic/Newspapers/Test3.htm which works fine (acceptably) in most browsers but not IE, in IE 7 the first character of the text disappears. In IE 6 you get and extra line. By the way I do not expect the 'first-child' to work in IE 6. It is designed to be best in FF 2. Any suggestions. Nic __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7 information -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] Firefox, fist-letter line-height
I am trying to do a FF drop capital. Containing the first letter in a span
works but I would prefer a p:first-letter approach. I have seen some
discussion on this before but I did not find a solution.
The issue is that FF seems to ignore line-height when in a first-letter.
Is there a solution?
For those interested this is the IE solution
p.storyIE{
border-top: 1px solid #C0C0C0;
margin-top: 0px;
padding-left: 200px;
}
p.storyIE:first-letter {
float: left;
font-size: 2.73em;
height:.6em;
line-height:.88em;
margin-top:4px;
margin-right:1px;
}
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[css-d] Fixed header and Anchors
Hi, Just signed up to see if I could find a neat solution to using anchors in a fixed header design in IE. The headers and scrolling work fine I've been using the technique for some time, but I now have a situation where within a very long page I need anchors. All the solutions for making the page scroll to the right visible point I've tried do not work in IE 6. I have done loads of searches on the web include your archive here and find descriptions of the problem but have so far not found a working solution. Can I conclude there is no solution, other than putting the anchor in the wrong place, and that doesn't work if you are using a fluid design? Help please, even to just stop me searching for a solution. Nic __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7 information -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
