Re: [css-d] css beginner in search of great books and courses

[Scott Hamm]

CSS Zen Garden for inspiration:

http://www.csszengarden.com


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Subject: [css-d] css beginner in search of great books and courses

I am a graphic designer who has just started learning CSS and XHTML. I've
got Eric Meyer's books: CSS: The Definitive Guide 2nd edition, and CSS Web
Site Design Hands on Training and the zen of css design. Would appreciate
any recommendations.

Thanks,
Josh
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Re: [css-d] condensing css

[Scott Hamm]

You can also do this way:

div.className {
border:solid 1px #91a7b4;
border-width:0 1px 1px 1px; /* T R B L (easily remembered as Trouble) */
}

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Subject: [css-d] condensing css

Generally when I want borders on 3 sides of something I write:



div.className  {

border-top: 0;

  border-right: solid 1px #91a7b4;

  border-bottom: solid 1px #91a7b4;

  border-left: solid 1px #91a7b4;

}



But I'm wondering if the following is better:



div.className  {

border: solid 1px #91a7b4;

border-top: 0;

}



Any opinions on this?

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[css-d] h1 replacement -- which one is recommended?

[Scott Hamm]

I've been looking all over websites -- a lot of good h1 replacement
suggestions.  But which one is more practical, validated in all aspects i.e.
bobby approved, html5, etc?
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[css-d] em or % in width

[Scott Hamm]

I'm about ready to release this site,
http://www.deafaviator.org/fbcom/index.php to replace the existing
beta site: http://www.firstbaptistchurchofmilford.org which will
replace the aging site: http://www.firstbaptistofmilford.org .  (for
now, in IE, the width doesn't match up like those CSS compliant
browsers).

I've been asking around in webdesign mailing list for feedbacks and
learned a lot about em, % and accessibility in CSS part.  I'm trying
to use % so I can add up to 100% and I've been told that em is better
than % because of IE goof-ups.  I've read in various CSS articles and
they had their own preferences.  If em is the best method to set up
CSS, then how can I add up the width to remain fluid like %? Your
feedback will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,


Scott Hamm
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Re: [css-d] em or % in width

[Scott Hamm]

On 11/29/05, Squibb, Brian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> David is correct in that people with poor eyesight need higher resolution and 
> then magnify the text.
>
> I have just had to write an app for viually impaired, and that is the way it 
> is done.
>

In that case, which do you use most often? % or em?  I'm in similiar
scenario whereas I'm trying to make my site as accessible as possible.
 I got some visually impaired members at my Church (and some blind.)
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Re: [css-d] [css-d ADMIN Off Topic] em or % in width

[Scott Hamm]

On 11/29/05, Bob Easton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> We have wandered astray from the original question.
>
> To avoid veering further astray, into the dreaded / endless font size
> discussion, let's leave this one as it is.
>
> --
> Bob Easton
>
>

Sorry.  At least this has been resourceful and I learnt a *lot*.  I
will end this thread and please email me if any of you got more
resources for me and I would appreciate it very much.


*watching as this thread fall off cliff*

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Re: [css-d] em or % in width

[Scott Hamm]

On 11/29/05, Zoe M. Gillenwater <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Scott Hamm wrote:
>
> >I've been asking around in webdesign mailing list for feedbacks and
> >learned a lot about em, % and accessibility in CSS part.  I'm trying
> >to use % so I can add up to 100% and I've been told that em is better
> >than % because of IE goof-ups.  I've read in various CSS articles and
> >they had their own preferences.  If em is the best method to set up
> >CSS, then how can I add up the width to remain fluid like %? Your
> >feedback will be greatly appreciated.
> >
> >
>
> As Bob pointed out, this list is not for discussing whether or not
> people resize their text, etc.  So let's not discuss that any further.
> But Scott has asked some good questions about em and percentages in
> general that I'd like to address, without getting into which is "better."
>
> I think the most important thing to remember when using ems or
> percentages is that they are not interchangeable when used as a unit of
> measurement for width.  They are interchangeable when used as a unit of
> measurement for font-size, so this point can be confusing, but is very
> important.
>
> A layout with widths set in ems has a size based on the font size of the
> user. So, one user with a larger default font size may see your layout
> at 1000px, while another user with a smaller font size will see your
> layout at 800px.  This also means that the layout will change in size if
> the user manually resizes his or her textm, but things will stay roughly
> in proportion to one another.
>
> A layout with widths set in percentages has a size based on the viewport
> size of the user.  The layout will change in size if the user manually
> changes the size of his or her browser window.
>
> So it's up to you whether you want the layout to be dependent on font
> size or window size.  Or neither (fixed width via pixels).  I don't know
> of any percentage-based IE bugs that can be avoided by switching to ems
> (can you give us the source of this information?), and anyway, an em
> layout is not the same as a percentage layout, so don't use IE bugs as
> your deciding factor of which to use.
>
> Zoe
>
> --
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> Design Services Manager
> UNC Highway Safety Research Center
> http://www.hsrc.unc.edu
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>

My source would be http://www.deafaviator.org/fbcom/index.php (IE part
will be fixed -- I'm tired of working up on hacks after each little
change).  My objective here is to leave right side on the end of
browser without going over or under.

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Re: [css-d] em or % in width

[Scott Hamm]

> Scott, I meant that I wanted to know the source of the statement "em is
> better than % because of IE goof-ups."  I don't know this to be true, so
> if you can tell us where you heard this from we can take a look and see
> if they have wrong information, know something we don't know, or if you
> just misunderstood them.
>

>From a user from webdesign-l mailing list:

3-% is a poor method of setting width on #menulist. The LIs are
obviously meant to be single-line items, but don't necessarily fit in
the width-unknown 17%. Also, the background image won't necessarily fit
that way either. Instead, set its width in ems.
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[css-d] list alignment auto fit

[Scott Hamm]

I'm working on my new web using FireFox as a tool to design my CSS. 
Currently IE is broken (steps) and will be worked on later.  For now,
I need to figure out a way to automatically fit the menu list into the
remaining width (on right side).  The content in that list will change
and would like for it to fit every time when content is changed.  I
tried % to no avail. When I set border-bottom to same width (.6em) for
both #header p a and ul#menulist li a and when increased or decreased
the text in firefox, they didn't match up.  Any help would be
appreciated.

Here is the link with embedded CSS:

http://www.geocities.com/theksskoder/css_question.htm

Thanks,


Scott
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[css-d] Older IE, future IE 7 and multi styles

[Scott Hamm]

When I created a web page that use three different styles with style
switcher and configured them using FireFox.  It works beautifully. However,
when I approached IE and read on the net that it is suggested to use
conditional comments instead of hacks.  I realized that I got more than 3
style files and how can I get around to it using style switcher?  My
approach would be to use conditional comments INSIDE these style files that
I've been working on.  Is it possible or do anyone have better idea?


Here is the page:

http://www.deafaviator.org/deepspace/index.php

On bottom of default page, there are 3 style list.



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[css-d] position:relative get messed up in FF when float is used

[Scott Hamm]

When I tried to relatively position my menubox by margin-top:-1em; the
position works just what I wanted in both IE and FF.  But when I left
float menubox, in FF it lost margin-top:-1em setting.  So to fix the
difference, I had to use -2em and enforce IE to use -1em instead
(desired behavior anyway).  Is it an known behavior?

Scott
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[css-d] CSS based Logo

[Scott Hamm]

This is my first attempt in creating CSS based logo.  I already tested
FireFox 1.5, Opera 8.51, IE 6.0 and Konqueror.  Konqueror's (KDE 3.5)
p.purpose has shrunk smaller than the rest of browsers. Any feedback?

http://www.deafaviator.org/project/da.htm

Thanks In Advance,


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Re: [css-d] CSS based Logo

[Scott Hamm]

I'm more focused into providing visual impaired more readable content,
including logo.  There are so many logos out there that are not
scalable and sometimes they're hard to read.  I learned this trick
from Eric Meyer's web site so I figure it would be a good way to
satisfy both worlds. http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/css/  And thanks
for the link, I'll get into it.


Scott

On 1/11/06, Paul Annett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > This is my first attempt in creating CSS based logo...
>
> I can't really see much point in making a CSS based logo... have I
> missed something?
>
> Here's an article you might enjoy about How to Improve Your Logo:
> http://www.fizbang.com/1-3-06.php
>
> thanks,
> Paul
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[css-d] CSS Based Logo -- Updated version

[Scott Hamm]

I have gathered all advices and here is my latest CSS based logo,
works well with FireFox, Opera (ok-ok), needs a little work on
Konqueror and works good in IE...


http://www.deafaviator.org/project/da_1.htm

Would appreciate y'all feedback :)
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[css-d] Site check and disappearing dt

[Scott Hamm]

Here is my first public site:

http://www.firstbaptistchurchofmilford.org/index.php 

There is no contents in Home Page, but please check other links.  It
looks good in FF, but Pastor's image disappeared in "Meet Our Pastor"
page.  I tried to fix with no avail.  How do I get around to it?


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Re: [css-d] Site check and disappearing dt

[Scott Hamm]

Here is an update of the latest change.  Changed the whole structure. 
Tested font resize, please check and let me know what y'all think.  
Might change  part into image using text-indent: -1000px.


http://www.firstbaptistchurchofmilford.org/innovate.htm


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Re: [css-d] FW: H1 question

[Scott Hamm]

It is recommended that you use h1 ONCE, as if you were writing a book.  

Use h2 for each paragraph,

h3 for each sub-paragraph

and so on...

On 5/17/05, Christy Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> you can use h1 or h2 etc as many times as you like - the only
> restriction is in using class or id - you can only use id once, so if
> it is going to repeat on the page, use class ... or use neither
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, May 17, 2005, at 08:48 AM, Jackie Lott wrote:
> 
> >> I'm new to CSS and wanted to know where I can find guidelines
> >> regarding how
> >> many times I can use an h1 tag (or h2, h3, etc.) per page (stupid
> >> question,
> >> I know!).  For instance, I have two programs I'm highlighting per
> >> page, and
> >> I want the titles styled the same way. Can I use the h1 tag twice, or
> >> should I create the same style for the h2 tag?  Not sure what's
> >> allowed,
> >> and what isn't. Any guidance would be appreciated!
> >>
> >> TIA,
> >> Jackie Lott
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[css-d] disappearing border in firefox

[Scott Hamm]

What might be the common cause if borders partially disappeared in FF but 
not in IE? It is a simple table layout with two "rowspan=2" in the same row.



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Re: [css-d] disappearing border in firefox

[Scott Hamm]

Here it is:

http://www.geocities.com/kss_koder/cosmetic_test.htm

On 5/25/05, Pringle, Ron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> > What might be the common cause if borders partially
> > disappeared in FF but
> > not in IE? It is a simple table layout with two "rowspan=2"
> > in the same row.
> 
> Scott-
> 
> Do you have a page we can look at?
> 
> What borders are disappearing? The table border, table cell borders?
> 
> Regards,
> Ron
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Re: [css-d] disappearing border in firefox

[Scott Hamm]

Funny thing is, when I uploaded into geocities, the screen displayed 
correctly. Doesn't make any difference if I scroll it down/ up -- on every 
load, partial border changed randomly.

On 5/25/05, Zoe M. Gillenwater <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Scott Hamm wrote:
> 
> >What might be the common cause if borders partially disappeared in FF but
> >not in IE? It is a simple table layout with two "rowspan=2" in the same 
> row.
> >
> >
> 
> Hard to tell without code or a page to look at. Does the border come
> back if you scroll the area off the page and then up again? I've seen
> this occasionally in FF, but never on one of my pages, so I'm afraid
> I've never found out the cause.
> 
> Zoe
> 
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Re: [css-d] Best CSS Editor?

[Scott Hamm]

I use CSS Edit extension in FireFox. It is very interactive and good way to 
learn CSS quickly.

On 5/25/05, Al Sparber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> From: "jlfx intermedia, llc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Howdy Gang, what's you're pick for the best CSS builder/editor? I
> > know of
> > Top Style and was wondering if Dreamweaver compared in that area.
> 
> If you know how to write CSS and are using DW MX2004, Code View is
> excellent and obviates the need to have a second app constsntly
> running. Has code hints, property completion, color syntax. Otherwise,
> you might look into TopStyle or StyleMaster. If you are comparing the
> little popup CSS Editor in Dreamweaver, it's pretty much useless :-)
> 
> Al Sparber
> PVII
> http://www.projectseven.com
> 
> "Designing with CSS is sometimes like barreling down a crumbling
> mountain road at 90 miles per hour secure in the knowledge that
> repairs are scheduled for next Tuesday".
> 
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Re: [css-d] disappearing border in firefox

[Scott Hamm]

Is there any url that explains about the problem that you described?


>I was going to say, I don't see any difference when viewing in IE versus 
FF.
>My only thought is that it might be a rounding error in the browser as it
>computes the exact widths of all the table elements.
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Re: [css-d] Best CSS Editor?

[Scott Hamm]

Are there any for IE?

On 5/26/05, Chris Ovenden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Oh, and I second the use of Firefox' Web Developer toolbar. Edit CSS
> is grand, plus I use the View Style Information and various Outline
> options to figure out what's going on in quirky layouts. If only there
> were a similar tool for IE.
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[css-d] M$ Properitary "writing-mode:tb-rl;" CSS Rule

[Scott Hamm]

Is there any alternative to M$ properitary rule:

writing-mode:tb-rl;

That is valid in CSS or are they working on developing similiar one in 
future draft?

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Re: [css-d] M$ Properitary "writing-mode:tb-rl;" CSS Rule

[Scott Hamm]

Isn't CSS3 Text Module CR only for Image or am I reading incorrectly?

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> This property and a few related ones are in the CSS3 Text Module CR.
> Unfortunately, I know of no way to accomplish the effect in any current
> browsers besides IE.
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[css-d] styling the label

[Scott Hamm]

When I tried to set width on label, it works in IE, but not in FireFox.

HTML:

Operator:

 
...


CSS:
div#selects label {
border:1px solid #000;
width:200px;
}


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[css-d] Background property

[Scott Hamm]

How do I use background property to set image to always stay 10 px
right of the right edge in body declaration?


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[css-d] Church Web site design in progress

[Scott Hamm]

Here is the web site in progress with several div's disabled.  I want
to check before I continue with next step.  It is html and css valid
with few warnings (will deal with it later).  Please give me feedback
on this site.  This is my VERY FIRST attempt at graphics.

http://www.deafaviator.org/fbcom/history.php


Thanks


Scott
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