Re: [css-d] ADMIN: Browser doesn't load all images?
At 1:22 AM -0400 3/24/09, Donald Davis wrote: bottom posting means post after the words of the previous poster, not before... just to clarify so the people on the list don't get any more upset.. It does indeed. However, what the list prefers far more than bottom- or top-posting is ruthless trimming of quoted material. Top-posting tends to be more frowned upon not because the response is in the wrong place (though I personally believe that it is), but because top-posters are FAR more likely to just leave the entire quoted message in place, signatures and all. Still, I've seen many instances of people quoting an entire message and then putting a one-line response at the bottom of it all. This is really no better than doing the same and putting the response at the top. I'm not picking on Donald here, by the way. I'm simply using his observation as a launching point for a public reminder that quoted material should always to be trimmed to the bare minimum needed, and maybe slightly less than that. It's more efficient and more respectful of the other members of the list. Thank you. -- Eric A. Meyer (http://meyerweb.com/eric/), List Chaperone CSS is much too interesting and elegant to be not taken seriously. -- Martina Kosloff (http://mako4css.com/) __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] ADMIN: Browser doesn't load all images?
At 12:01 PM 3/24/2009 -0400, Eric A. Meyer wrote: Still, I've seen many instances of people quoting an entire message and then putting a one-line response at the bottom of it all. This is really no better than doing the same and putting the response at the top. I can totally relate. I currently run a list myself, and have been a list admin on a few other lists in the past, and I've always tried to get people to do exactly the same, too -- some people just don't get it, though! Indeed, I ended up in a heated argument a few months ago with someone who thought that I was being extremely strict in expecting people to trim their messages, etc., and he felt that it was actually advantageous and beneficial to have 5, 6, even 7 or more previous quoted posts just for reference as to what was being talked about. I can't imagine what a daily digest version of a list like *that* would look like! ;) I'm not picking on Donald here, by the way. I'm simply using his observation as a launching point for a public reminder that quoted material should always to be trimmed to the bare minimum needed, and maybe slightly less than that. It's more efficient and more respectful of the other members of the list. Here's a couple of references that I usually give out to people (if/when they don't get it)... - How to Write Effective Mailing List Email http://www.digital-web.com/articles/how_to_write_effective_mailing_list_email/ - A Beginner's Guide to Effective Email http://www.webfoot.com/advice/email.top.php - Quoting style in newsgroup postings http://www.anta.net/misc/nnq/nquote.shtml - Problem Solving: Sending Messages in Plain Text http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/listadmins/plaintext.html ...and last but certainly not least... - Godwin's law http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law Thankfully, I haven't seen this latter issue come up here yet (not *on* list, anyway!). ;) With that said, surprisingly there are still some people out there who can read those articles, but still insist that it's much better to waste hundreds of peoples' time with messy, poorly-formatted, poorly-trimmed, difficult to understand, utter waste-of-bandwidth list posts (let alone off-list messages). Ron :/ Woof?... http://www.Psymon.com Ach, du Leni!... http://www.Riefenstahl.org Hmm... http://www.Imaginary-Friend.ca __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] ADMIN: Browser doesn't load all images?
With that said, surprisingly there are still some people out there who can read those articles, but still insist that it's much better to waste hundreds of peoples' time with messy, poorly-formatted, poorly-trimmed, difficult to understand, utter waste-of-bandwidth list posts (let alone off-list messages). Ron :/ I do not entirely agree with this arguments in one thing. It's ok that we should trim the most of our posts. It's ok that we should quote whatever is necessary, but only that. And we should also take the garbage out ofthe reply. I do, however, not agree that we tend to make humans acting like machines. And I can see here that to some extent, when we demand that all rules should always apply. This was my first law on this informatics stuff: It's more the computers that should work for you, not you for the computers. With this said, and with this in mind, we, science and knowledge friends, should always count for the mistake. (Because humans are ALSO, beings of waste, redundancy, bad links, and irrelevant information), and the worst of all is that, in some perspectives, this is not ALL bad. We should trim. And we should always try to bee as objective as possible, but too much objectivity may take us humans for something we are not, undergoing the idea we are perfectly accurate and objective machines. (and maybe we are, but we are certainly less squared, I believe) Let us have this remaining of human little shards (bits) of failure as a reflection of our own flawed nature. :) Regards, Márcio __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] ADMIN: Browser doesn't load all images?
Okay, let's stop discussing quoting policy now. Anyone who care to may review http://css-discuss.org/policies.html, which I think is relatively clear on what is expected here. If anyone wants to debate such things as quoting policy offlist, feel free to get in touch with me. If enough of you feel the urge, maybe I'll set up a mailing list to carry the debate... which I suspect would quickly end up in deliciously meta-philosophical territory. But here on css-d, let's stick to practical uses of CSS and helping people who are having trouble using CSS in one way or another. Thank you. -- Eric A. Meyer (http://meyerweb.com/eric/), List Chaperone CSS is much too interesting and elegant to be not taken seriously. -- Martina Kosloff (http://mako4css.com/) __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
