Re: [css-d] Any IE8 news?
Bruno Fassino wrote: This is not what I see (but I may be looking wrong :-) I see that html:first-child is matched by Opera 9.2 (and possibly lower) with or _without_ XML declaration. It is *+html that in Opera 9.5 depends on the presence of the XML declaration. Bruno Your right, I should check my own test cases. I see why you have this hack. html:first-child [id|=ht-first] since Opera 9.5 does not support hyphenated attribute presence selectors correctly. -- Alan http://css-class.com/ Armies Cannot Stop An Idea Whose Time Has Come. - Victor Hugo http://www.wearechange.org/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Any IE8 news?
Alan Gresley wrote: Bruno Fassino wrote: PS: IE8b2 seems to match html:first-child. Of course there is no interest now for IE8b2 hacks, however html:first-child was matched also by Opera 9.5 (that's the reason I added something in my hack attempt, just for play...) This is only correct in Opera 9.5 if a XML prolog is present. Without a XML prolog this hack will only target IE8b2. This is not what I see (but I may be looking wrong :-) I see that html:first-child is matched by Opera 9.2 (and possibly lower) with or _without_ XML declaration. It is *+html that in Opera 9.5 depends on the presence of the XML declaration. Bruno -- Bruno Fassino http://www.brunildo.org/test __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Any IE8 news?
Bruno Fassino wrote: PS: IE8b2 seems to match html:first-child. Of course there is no interest now for IE8b2 hacks, however html:first-child was matched also by Opera 9.5 (that's the reason I added something in my hack attempt, just for play...) This is only correct in Opera 9.5 if a XML prolog is present. Without a XML prolog this hack will only target IE8b2. Not that I can see any reasons for using it as yet. :-) -- Alan http://css-class.com/ Armies Cannot Stop An Idea Whose Time Has Come. - Victor Hugo http://www.wearechange.org/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] Any IE8 news?
Take a look a this post: How to make my web pages Internet Explorer 8 compatible http://www.aggiorno.com/blog/post/How-to-make-my-web-pages-Internet-Explorer- 8-compatible.aspx __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Any IE8 news?
- Original Message - From: Bill Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] the next release of IE8 was coming out in August, but the MS site is still just offering Beta 1 Here: http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2008/08/27/internet-explorer-8-beta-2-now-available.aspx and here: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/internet-explorer/beta/ Best, Bill Thanks! I'll install it tomorrow night. __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Any IE8 news?
Very brave. grin Regards, Alan. www.theatreorgans.co.uk www.virtualtheatreorgans.com Admin: ConnArtistes, UKShopsmiths, 2nd Touch A-P groups Shopsmith 520 + bits Flatulus Antiquitus - Original Message - From: Nancy To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 7:22 AM Subject: Re: [css-d] Any IE8 news? Thanks! I'll install it tomorrow night. __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Any IE8 news?
I had some additional questions, in previous conversations regarding IE8, it wasn't clear to me whether IE8 supports conditional comments the same way as other versions of IE do. Does it support conditional comments? If not how would you have a separate Style sheet for IE8? For instance I had a page the browsershots.org indicated broke in IE8 but was fine in IE6 and 7, Firefox and Safari. Thanks in advance, Nancy On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 3:23 AM, Alan K Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very brave. grin Regards, Alan. www.theatreorgans.co.uk www.virtualtheatreorgans.com Admin: ConnArtistes, UKShopsmiths, 2nd Touch A-P groups Shopsmith 520 + bits Flatulus Antiquitus - Original Message - From: Nancy To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 7:22 AM Subject: Re: [css-d] Any IE8 news? Thanks! I'll install it tomorrow night. __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Any IE8 news?
Alan K Baker wrote: Very brave. grin Regards, Alan. Hello Alan, the brave indeed. Guess what, IE8b2 seems to be to one of the most standard compliant CSS2.1 browsers. I know that seems odd to say about IE but they at MS have really done a good job with my bug list. :-) http://css-class.com/test/bugs/ie/ie-bugs.htm I can see bugs in only a few pages (my no mercy CSS). http://css-class.com/test/css/overflow/float-container-overflow.htm http://css-class.com/articles/ursidae/bears5ddh-kbaccess.htm They kindly left one possible CSS hack when using the XML prolog. http://css-class.com/test/css/selectors/ie7hacktargetingopera.htm I do note a strange rendering bug where pages do not download properly. Sometimes positioned elements are in strange positions and a refresh is needed to fix their placement up. Also text (links) seems to be missing here and there and then appears when scrolling. The weird bugs that are not reproducible. Now we just have to wait for IE9 and CSS3. :-( -- Alan http://css-class.com/ Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power - Abraham Lincoln Save the Internet - http://www.savetheinternet.com/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Any IE8 news?
Nancy Johnson wrote:
I had some additional questions, in previous conversations regarding
IE8, it wasn't clear to me whether IE8 supports conditional comments
the same way as other versions of IE do.
Does it support conditional comments? If not how would you have a
separate Style sheet for IE8?
For instance I had a page the browsershots.org indicated broke in IE8
but was fine in IE6 and 7, Firefox and Safari.
Thanks in advance,
Nancy
Hello Nancy,
IE8 does support conditional comments.
http://css-class.com/test/bugs/ie/8/ie8-cc-seen-by-ie6.htm
Plus it does not wreck the version vectors as IE8b1 did.
I find that Bruno has found a hack.
http://www.brunildo.org/test/csshacks.html
html:first-child selector [attr|=a-b] { property: value; }
Playing around with this, we can have.
http://css-class.com/test/bugs/ie/8/ie8b2-hack.htm
html:first-child p { property: value; }
This isn't even with a XML prolog.
--
Alan http://css-class.com/
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character, give him power - Abraham Lincoln
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Re: [css-d] Any IE8 news?
Alan Gresley wrote: Guess what, IE8b2 seems to be to one of the most standard compliant CSS2.1 browsers. I know that seems odd to say about IE but they at MS have really done a good job with my bug list. :-) [...] I do note a strange rendering bug where pages do not download properly. Sometimes positioned elements are in strange positions and a refresh is needed to fix their placement up. Also text (links) seems to be missing here and there and then appears when scrolling. The weird bugs that are not reproducible. Yes, I have same experience. Many CSS bugs are gone! Then there is this problem where parts of a page are sometimes not displayed, especially in presence of images, but also with text. With multiple refreshes the missing parts usually appear. But refreshing again other (or the same) parts may disappear again. Best regards, Bruno PS: IE8b2 seems to match html:first-child. Of course there is no interest now for IE8b2 hacks, however html:first-child was matched also by Opera 9.5 (that's the reason I added something in my hack attempt, just for play...) -- Bruno Fassino http://www.brunildo.org/test __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Any IE8 news - missing content
Bruno Fassino wrote: Alan Gresley wrote: I do note a strange rendering bug where pages do not download properly. Sometimes positioned elements are in strange positions and a refresh is needed to fix their placement up. Also text (links) seems to be missing here and there and then appears when scrolling. The weird bugs that are not reproducible. Yes, I have same experience. Many CSS bugs are gone! Then there is this problem where parts of a page are sometimes not displayed, especially in presence of images, but also with text. With multiple refreshes the missing parts usually appear. But refreshing again other (or the same) parts may disappear again. Best regards, Bruno [...] This bug didn't happen in IE8b1. I do no know why it is happening but I see it here. http://css-class.com/test/css/visformatting/floats-with-inline-elements2.htm On arriving at this page and scrolling to the bottom, I see this. http://css-class.com/test/images/ie8b2-missing-content1.png Refreshing the page causes more content to disappear. http://css-class.com/test/images/ie8b2-missing-content2.png Selecting a link, causes strange reflow with line breaks. http://css-class.com/test/images/ie8b2-missing-content3.png Only browsing back to this page shows the full content. http://css-class.com/test/images/ie8b2-missing-content4.png Could it be that the lower in the source and element is, the lest likely that IE8 will fully render content correctly? -- Alan http://css-class.com/ Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power - Abraham Lincoln Save the Internet - http://www.savetheinternet.com/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Any IE8 news - missing colors
Alan Gresley wrote: Could it be that the lower in the source and element is, the lest likely that IE8 will fully render content correctly? I guess I wrong, not quite that simple. Another page. http://css-class.com/test/bugs/ie/ie-hacks.htm The first visit shows some colors missing. http://css-class.com/test/images/ie8b2-missing-color1.png Refreshing the page causes the colors to appear. http://css-class.com/test/images/ie8b2-missing-color1.png I can see the bug reports being demonstrated by screenshots alone, forget any reliable reproducible test case. :-) -- Alan http://css-class.com/ Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power - Abraham Lincoln Save the Internet - http://www.savetheinternet.com/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Any IE8 news - missing content in links
Alan Gresley wrote: Alan Gresley wrote: Could it be that the lower in the source and element is, the lest likely that IE8 will fully render content correctly? I guess I wrong, not quite that simple. [...] Here another screenshot. http://css-class.com/test/images/ie8b2-missing-content5.png Notice how part of the menu is missing and the link *bug* only shows the letter *b* which is centered. Hovering the menu reveals all the content. This can be seen by going to this page http://css-class.com/test/ and then selecting the CSS link. Going back to this page over and over (on my Laptop) alway shows the same missing content as in the screenshot. -- Alan http://css-class.com/ Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power - Abraham Lincoln Save the Internet - http://www.savetheinternet.com/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] Any IE8 news?
I read somewhere that the next release of IE8 was coming out in August, but the MS site is still just offering Beta 1. Has anyone heard anything? I have some sites that break slightly in the beta, but I've been advised here not to do anything until the next version comes out. Nancy __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Any IE8 news?
Nancy wrote: I read somewhere that the next release of IE8 was coming out in August, but the MS site is still just offering Beta 1. Has anyone heard anything? I have some sites that break slightly in the beta, but I've been advised here not to do anything until the next version comes out. Here: http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2008/08/27/internet-explorer-8-beta-2-now-available.aspx and here: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/internet-explorer/beta/ Best, Bill -- ~~~ TheHolierGrail.com | MacNimble.com | Cyber-Sandbox.com | Anytowne.com Bill Brown, Web Developer - From dot concept to dot com since 1999 The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift. -- Albert Einstein ~~~ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
