Re: [css-d] CMS question
At 2:27 PM -0700 6/15/05, Jeff Cortez wrote: Anyways, I had a quick question to pose to people: Has anyone had any experience with an open source content management system and implemented standards compliant code along with it? Looking for comments/suggestions/rants/raves... Unfortunately, I'm going to have to call this thread to a close for being off-topic. Yes, it's true that choosing a standards-friendly CMS has bearing on CSS authoring... but so does writing standards-friendly PHP code, JavaScript, .Net code, etc. etc. If we walk down that road, traffic could quite easily double. We can't cover everything standards-related here; there simply isn't room. A great place to ask your question would be Webdesign-L. There's also evolt's thelist, and I'm sure there must be other venues where CMS discussions are on topic. For a short list of forums, see http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=OffTopic. On the topic of CMS software, see the page others in the thread have brought up: http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=CssFriendlyCms. Thanks, and sorry to have to end the thread. -- Eric A. Meyer (http://meyerweb.com/eric/), List Chaperone "CSS is much too interesting and elegant to be not taken seriously." -- Martina Kosloff (http://mako4css.com/) __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] CMS question
On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 11:29:05PM +0100, Rachael Beale (CSS-Discuss) wrote: > http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=CssFriendlyCms > http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200503/content_management_with_plone/ > http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200409/open_source_cms_recommendations_wanted/ > > At work, we're looking to replace our proprietary CMS (which mainly > plays nicely with CSS, though occasionally picks up its ball and goes > home...) with an open-source one in the next year or two, so I'm also > interested to see what people think. I've been working in an almost exclusively open source environment for the last 6 years, for a company that's built and customised/extended a goodly number of OSS CMSs for some fairly big sites. Until a year or so ago I'd have said that most off-the-shelf OSS CMSs were only marginally better than their proprietary counterparts in terms of CSS and HTML quality (although vastly more standards-compliant). The gap, however, has been widening with every passing month. In my view Plone leads among the more feature-rich (portally) packages and WordPress among the simpler ones. Although I didn't find Plone that difficult to get to grips with, I'd concur with the general tenor of Roger Johansson's observations. Plone's two biggest negatives, for me, were its relatively slow performance on low spec kit and the none-too-semantic character of its default HTML (far too many divs and spans for my liking). The latter is, arguably, something you'll find in most complex off-the-shelf packages, given the intrinsic difficulty of coding the sematics programmatically ... which is a good reason for giving simpler packages like WordPress a chance if your needs are modest ... and for choosing open source extensibility if they are not. I was seriously unimpressed by the HTML (and hence the CSS) in the version of Mambo which I evaluated a few weeks ago, but that may have been dated (an occasional hazard with stock Debian packages). WebGUI seems to have more features than any other, but its new-found affiliation with CSS has the feel of being an after-thought (I tend to prefer styles to be linked-in rather directly embedded in the page head). Bricolage is, perhaps, the most capable of all the packages that I've evaluated, but its management infrastructure could be overkill for any but the biggest sites and companies. I'm told that its excessively fine-grained workflow has been simplified somewhat in recent months ... not before time. Having throw in my tuppence worth, I'd be interested to hear other people's recent experiences. Dave __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] CMS question
> Anyways, I had a quick question to pose to people: Has anyone had any > experience with an open source content management system and implemented > standards compliant code along with it? Looking for > comments/suggestions/rants/raves... /* Insert obligatory WordPress plug here */ WordPress - www.wordpress.org Valid markup out of the box, presentation by CSS, flexible templating. It's Not Just For Blogs Any More. /* end plug */ -- Craig, www.focalcurve.com __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] CMS question
Jeff Cortez wrote: Has anyone had any experience with an open source content management system and implemented standards compliant code along with it? Hi Jeff, Just in case you didn't find it, there is a page on the Wiki: http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=CssFriendlyCms You may also find Roger Johansson's article on installing and running a site based on Plone interesting: http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200503/content_management_with_plone/ and the comments on his first post about the project to which it's related, asking for recommendations of open-source CMSs: http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200409/open_source_cms_recommendations_wanted/ I guess you're really after personal experience, but just in case you weren't aware of those resources. At work, we're looking to replace our proprietary CMS (which mainly plays nicely with CSS, though occasionally picks up its ball and goes home...) with an open-source one in the next year or two, so I'm also interested to see what people think. Cheers, Rachael __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] CMS question
On Wed, 2005-06-15 at 17:27, Jeff Cortez wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm a newbie and slowly learning CSS. I'm slowly seeing how beneficial it > is to design for standards. > > Anyways, I had a quick question to pose to people: Has anyone had any > experience with an open source content management system and implemented > standards compliant code along with it? Looking for > comments/suggestions/rants/raves... > > Thanks in advance... I've never checked it page for page but I *think* Mambo is pretty clean depending on what modules you have installed with it. > > > __ > css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d > List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ > Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ -- s/:-[(/]/:-)/g BrianGnuPG -> KeyID: 0x04A4F0DC | Key Server: pgp.mit.edu == gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 04A4F0DC Key Info: http://gfx-design.com/keys Linux Registered User #339825 at http://counter.li.org __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
RE: [css-d] CMS question
Jeff, Here's a good place to start: http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=CssFriendlyCms -Nigel -Original Message- From: Jeff Cortez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 5:27 PM To: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org Subject: [css-d] CMS question Hi all, I'm a newbie and slowly learning CSS. I'm slowly seeing how beneficial it is to design for standards. Anyways, I had a quick question to pose to people: Has anyone had any experience with an open source content management system and implemented standards compliant code along with it? Looking for comments/suggestions/rants/raves... Thanks in advance... __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] CMS question
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Re: [css-d] CMS question
On 15 Jun 2005, at 22:27, Jeff Cortez wrote: Anyways, I had a quick question to pose to people: Has anyone had any experience with an open source content management system and implemented standards compliant code along with it? Looking for comments/suggestions/rants/raves... I guess this is really off-topic but I would suggest looking at Textpattern (www.textpattern.com). I've just implemented a site using it and it's very neat and tidy. Contact me off-list for more info. Regards Greg -- www.purple-dogfish.co.uk __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] CMS question
Hi all, I'm a newbie and slowly learning CSS. I'm slowly seeing how beneficial it is to design for standards. Anyways, I had a quick question to pose to people: Has anyone had any experience with an open source content management system and implemented standards compliant code along with it? Looking for comments/suggestions/rants/raves... Thanks in advance... __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
