[css-d] Myspace

[Scott Haneda]

Ok, I have been wondering this for some time, and as much as I dislike the
myspace generation, I need to know some technical aspects.

I have seen maybe 2 pages where someone has done a really nice job laying
out the page.  In the code, I see this:
table table table table { css here };

Can someone tell me what this is all about, or point me to a link, I do not
get that one bit.

Second, seems you have to shove all css into the body of the page, meaning
to me, procedurally, the css, loads after the body and html tags, so you
would think it should not even work.  Is this even valid, or just am area
the browsers decide to patch up for the user.  ie:

Mess of old html code
body {
foo: foo;
}
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Re: [css-d] Myspace

[Christian Montoya]

On 12/22/05, Scott Haneda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ok, I have been wondering this for some time, and as much as I dislike the
> myspace generation, I need to know some technical aspects.
>
> I have seen maybe 2 pages where someone has done a really nice job laying
> out the page.  In the code, I see this:
> table table table table { css here };
>
> Can someone tell me what this is all about, or point me to a link, I do not
> get that one bit.
>

Myspace = nested table madness. So:

table table table table { css here }

is styling the actual myspace content, which is the great-grandchild
table of the main, outside table.

> Second, seems you have to shove all css into the body of the page, meaning
> to me, procedurally, the css, loads after the body and html tags, so you
> would think it should not even work.  Is this even valid, or just am area
> the browsers decide to patch up for the user.  ie:
> 
> Mess of old html code
> body {
> foo: foo;
> }

This is becase myspace does not use standards compliant html. There's
no doctype, and even if there was it would be html, not xhtml. in this
tag-soup html, you can put stuff anywhere in the page and browsers
will do a whole lot of error-prevention while parsing this tag soup
and just make everything work. It's a mess but it works... you can put
css in the body and it works just fine. I think myspace doesn't allow
css styling in the head so it's the only way.

I think even with an html 4 doctype this would still be possible, but
I'm not sure.

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Re: [css-d] Myspace

[Brian Cummiskey]

Scott Haneda wrote:
> Ok, I have been wondering this for some time, and as much as I dislike the
> myspace generation, I need to know some technical aspects.

Hey wait, that's me :P


> I have seen maybe 2 pages where someone has done a really nice job laying
> out the page.  In the code, I see this:
> table table table table { css here };

This effects the 4th table nested in.  The mark-up on myspace is 
pathetic at best.  Frontpage could probably make cleaner code.  I even 
rant about it in my profile: http://www.myspace.com/pissedoffsol

and you can see my code to get my blocks to have that border:

table, td { background-color:transparent; border:none; border-width:0;}
table table table {border:3px solid; border-color:33; 
background-color:ff; }
table table{border:0px}
table table table table{border:0px}


the 3rd table in is the holder, and the 4th is the data/text in that block.


I spent like 20 min on my page one night when i was bored, before i got 
frustrated with it.  You can't do anything good with it because 90% of 
the tag-soup contains font tags and so forth that end up just 
over-riding your css.

Another kicker, is that you can't use #333.  it will eat the # sign, and 
doesn't know what to do with the 3-character short hand.  so you have to 
feed it background-color: 33;
It also doesn't like taking multiple parameters, such as border: 1px 
solid #333;  You have to split out the color.  see my code above.. it's 
like that for a reason.


The only thing i regret, is that i didn't create myspace.  What did it 
sell for, $200 million or something like that?  But, that's off topic.
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Re: [css-d] Myspace

[Scott Haneda]

on 12/21/05 10:48 PM, Brian Cummiskey at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> The only thing i regret, is that i didn't create myspace.  What did it
> sell for, $200 million or something like that?  But, that's off topic.

And here I am still hung up on the million dollar home page :-)
Thanks for the info everyone, looks like I wont be trying to make it pretty
for fun, if I have to bastardize my css to the points mentioned, just seems
not worth it.
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Re: [css-d] Myspace

[David Ross]

It's inline css, well the css that's within the actual tags is inline
css.the other css is put into the head section...so, there's no link to
a css file..it's all in the actual page. Inline css takes precedence over
all other css styles so you can overrride their styles with your own.

On 12/22/05, Scott Haneda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Ok, I have been wondering this for some time, and as much as I dislike the
> myspace generation, I need to know some technical aspects.
>
> I have seen maybe 2 pages where someone has done a really nice job laying
> out the page.  In the code, I see this:
> table table table table { css here };
>
> Can someone tell me what this is all about, or point me to a link, I do
> not
> get that one bit.
>
> Second, seems you have to shove all css into the body of the page, meaning
> to me, procedurally, the css, loads after the body and html tags, so you
> would think it should not even work.  Is this even valid, or just am area
> the browsers decide to patch up for the user.  ie:
> 
> Mess of old html code
> body {
> foo: foo;
> }
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> Scott HanedaTel: 415.898.2602
>  Novato, CA U.S.A.
>
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Re: [css-d] Myspace

[D Ross]

This guy used to have an amazing myspace page but it appears they  
deleted it for some reason...I saw it before they did and was in awe  
that he could make all that table junk look like what he had it to. I  
checked out his code and he had used display: none and replaced table  
cells with divs and just replaced the content into the divs.

Here's his site and about halfway down is a screenshot of what it  
looked like.

http://www.timbenzinger.com/




>
>
> I spent like 20 min on my page one night when i was bored, before i  
> got
> frustrated with it.  You can't do anything good with it because 90% of
> the tag-soup contains font tags and so forth that end up just
> over-riding your css.
>
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Re: [css-d] Myspace

[Paul Walker]

Myspace and "Tom" are not interested in their markup as 80% of their 
response to to requests is not xhtml/css.  It's .jpg, .mov, .etc.  Get over 
the fact that http doesn't always mean the information you want to serve.


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From: "D Ross" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Brian Cummiskey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [css-d] Myspace


> This guy used to have an amazing myspace page but it appears they
> deleted it for some reason...I saw it before they did and was in awe
> that he could make all that table junk look like what he had it to. I
> checked out his code and he had used display: none and replaced table
> cells with divs and just replaced the content into the divs.
>
> Here's his site and about halfway down is a screenshot of what it
> looked like.
>
> http://www.timbenzinger.com/
>
>
>
>
>>
>>
>> I spent like 20 min on my page one night when i was bored, before i
>> got
>> frustrated with it.  You can't do anything good with it because 90% of
>> the tag-soup contains font tags and so forth that end up just
>> over-riding your css.
>>
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Re: [css-d] Myspace

[Brian Cummiskey]

D Ross wrote:
> This guy used to have an amazing myspace page but it appears they 
> deleted it for some reason...

They deleted it because he removed the ads from display.  That's the big 
thing in myspace terms of service.  You can do anything you want to your 
design, but you cannot cover up the ads.

> I saw it before they did and was in awe 
> that he could make all that table junk look like what he had it to. I 
> checked out his code and he had used display: none and replaced table 
> cells with divs and just replaced the content into the divs.

yup, thats the easy way to do it...


> Here's his site and about halfway down is a screenshot of what it looked 
> like.

> http://www.timbenzinger.com/


That's very nice, but again, it breaks the TOS, so it was rightfully 
deleted.  Perhaps they should have simply warned him to put the ads back 
in instead of just deleting it?   I don't know...


But, this is starting to get seriously off-topic.

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Re: [css-d] Myspace

[Alex Robinson]

>But, this is starting to get seriously off-topic.


OK, just to reiterate, when I wrote earlier today

   "we've had more than enough about myspace, kay?"

what I meant was for people not to continue this thread.

This thread is over. Is that clear enough?


Alex
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Re: [css-d] Myspace

[Conyers, Dwayne]

It took some hacking before I was able to get mySpace to behave -- and I
still am not happy with how my page (dwacon) turned out but got tired of
fighting with it.


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