Re: [css-d] Still nav problems (background seems fine)

2008-04-05 Thread Luc
Good afternoon Kepler,
It was foretold that on 04/04/2008 @ 19:42:19 GMT-0400 (which was
20:42:19 where I live) Kepler Gelotte would write:

snipped a bit

 I belong to 2 lists and the other only requires me to reply to sender. This
 list requires me to reply to all. So to answer your question it was meant
 for the list. One of these days I'll screw my head on right.

For those interested, i received an off - list message so hence my
question :-)

Don't worry about it Kepler i'll be happy the day i can keep my
head on my shoulders lol.

Btw, did you receive my other message? Reply can be off-list in this
case lol


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Re: [css-d] Still nav problems (background seems fine)

2008-04-05 Thread Luc
Good afternoon Gunlaug,
It was foretold that on 04/04/2008 @ 00:19:10 GMT+0200 (which was
19:19:10 where I live) Gunlaug Sørtun would write:

snipped a bit

 Not enough background-image vertically for two text-lines, so the
 missing part appears as a gap.

I see. Makes sense like all your posts.

 Make that:

 #navcontainer li {
 background : transparent url(../Images/navbackgroundbig.gif) repeat-y 0
 0.1em;
 margin : 0.5em;
 /* no height */


 ...and there will be no gap. I think that answers your second question
 too, if I understood you correctly.
 Centering text in _equal-height_ li's requires an HTML table for nav,
 since IE7 and older don't support CSS table.

Hmm, maybe i wasn't clear, i meant equal space above and beneath the
text of the links like it's shown on the equipamentos part...
(since i moved to Brazil i seem to forget more and more about the
English language )

 Please don't keep changing things when you ask for help. It's impossible
 to debug a moving target.

Oh it's probably because i received an off-list message from Keppler
with the following suggestion:

#navcontainer li {
background:transparent url(../Images/navbackgroundbig.gif) 0 .1em no-repeat;
margin:.5em;
height:3.5em;



#navcontainer li a {
color:#FF;
display:block;
padding:.5em;
text-align:left;
text-decoration:none;
height:2.5em;


This also seemed to do the trick... hence my hasty upload.

Next time i'll keep the target put ;-)

Only thing to figure out now, is how to set the distance between the
border and the background image. Seems if i mess with the
padding/margin on the li it affects the li but not the border. Since
the border is controlled by the #navcontainer li a:hover and
li#here a:link, li#here a:visited, li#here a:hover declarations it
seems to me that i have to use a class? Or do i really really lost my
head now?

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Re: [css-d] Still nav problems (background seems fine)

2008-04-05 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Luc wrote:

 Not enough background-image vertically for two text-lines, so the 
 missing part appears as a gap.
 
 I see. Makes sense like all your posts.

Making sense was not my intention, I assure you ;-)

 Only thing to figure out now, is how to set the distance between the 
 border and the background image. Seems if i mess with the 
 padding/margin on the li it affects the li but not the border. Since 
 the border is controlled by the #navcontainer li a:hover and 
 li#here a:link, li#here a:visited, li#here a:hover declarations it 
 seems to me that i have to use a class? Or do i really really lost my
 head now?

Don't know where your head is ( ;-) ), but no class is needed and
messing around won't help either. What you need is an additional
dimension and a close look at the W3C box-model.

By declaring a suitable width on the anchor and manipulating the size of
its side-paddings, you can create the appearance I think you're after.
Paddings are added to dimensions in the W3C box-model.

Take a look at my example...
http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/alien/luc/test_08_0404.html
...and see if my chosen values are close enough for comfort. If not,
then minor changes should bring the appearance within range.

CSS: http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/alien/luc/test_08_0404_files/MP00.css

Remember that the background-image on the li has fixed dimensions and is
only set to repeat vertically. This makes the styling easy.

Without that fixed image-dimension we would have to fix the width of the
li itself and make the anchor overflow it horizontally. That's also easy
in most browsers, but IE6 would put up a fight (auto-expand) and demand
a semi-removed floating anchor (negative back-side margin) in order to
cooperate. I just mention this in case the need for such a change should
come up - for you or someone else.

regards
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Re: [css-d] Still nav problems (background seems fine)

2008-04-05 Thread Luc
Good evening Gunlaug, 
It was foretold that on 05/04/2008 @ 01:14:39 GMT+0200 (which was
20:14:39 where I live) Gunlaug Sørtun would write:

snipped a bit

 Making sense was not my intention, I assure you ;-)

Maybe not, but still you always manage to do that ;-)

 Don't know where your head is ( ;-) ), but no class is needed and
 messing around won't help either. What you need is an additional
 dimension and a close look at the W3C box-model.
 By declaring a suitable width on the anchor and manipulating the size of
 its side-paddings, you can create the appearance I think you're after.
 Paddings are added to dimensions in the W3C box-model.

paddings are added ro dimensions ... magical words!!! Clears
everything up and ... found my head again :-).

I'm still amazed how one can forget the basics of the most important
thing of CSS: the box model. In the beginning you study the model as
if your life depends on it ... and when it needs to kick in... you're
out of gas ... you have no idea how ashamed i am lol.


 Take a look at my example...
 http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/alien/luc/test_08_0404.html
 ...and see if my chosen values are close enough for comfort. If not,
 then minor changes should bring the appearance within range.

Perfect!!!

 Remember that the background-image on the li has fixed dimensions and is
 only set to repeat vertically. This makes the styling easy.

once again makes sense :-)

 Without that fixed image-dimension we would have to fix the width of the
 li itself and make the anchor overflow it horizontally. That's also easy
 in most browsers, but IE6 would put up a fight (auto-expand) and demand
 a semi-removed floating anchor (negative back-side margin) in order to
 cooperate. I just mention this in case the need for such a change should
 come up - for you or someone else.

Duly noted !!!


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[css-d] Still nav problems (background seems fine)

2008-04-04 Thread Luc
Good afternoon list,

Still having problems with my nav the background image seems to
be working but between Equipamentos Transportados and Nossa Frota
is a gap i can't seem to get rid off. Also, the border at the right
side of Equipamentos is bigger then it should be. What's puzzling
me is that it seems to be just that li...

Also, what would be the best way to have the text of the li's in the
nav centered vertically? Adjusting padding with another ruleset,
presuming i can't do it in the ul ruleset?

Sorry for the maybe easy questions but i'm in a real pickle here 

http://www.mendesperestransportes.com.br/Pages/equipamentos.php

http://www.mendesperestransportes.com.br/Styles/MP.css

The section to look for is at the bottom of the stylesheet, commented 
/*Navigation*/

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Re: [css-d] Still nav problems (background seems fine)

2008-04-04 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Luc wrote:

 Still having problems with my nav the background image seems to 
 be working but between Equipamentos Transportados and Nossa Frota
  is a gap i can't seem to get rid off. Also, the border at the right 
 side of Equipamentos is bigger then it should be. What's puzzling 
 me is that it seems to be just that li...

 http://www.mendesperestransportes.com.br/Pages/equipamentos.php

Not enough background-image vertically for two text-lines, so the
missing part appears as a gap.

Make that:

#navcontainer li {
background : transparent url(../Images/navbackgroundbig.gif) repeat-y 0
0.1em;
margin : 0.5em;
/* no height */
}

...and there will be no gap. I think that answers your second question
too, if I understood you correctly.
Centering text in _equal-height_ li's requires an HTML table for nav,
since IE7 and older don't support CSS table.

Please don't keep changing things when you ask for help. It's impossible
to debug a moving target.

regards
Georg
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Re: [css-d] Still nav problems (background seems fine)

2008-04-04 Thread Kepler Gelotte
 Out of curiosity... is your message just to me intended or domething
 went wrong with you replying to the list?

Hi Luc,

I belong to 2 lists and the other only requires me to reply to sender. This
list requires me to reply to all. So to answer your question it was meant
for the list. One of these days I'll screw my head on right.

Best regards,
Kepler Gelotte
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156 Normandy Dr., Piscataway, NJ 08854
www.neighborwebmaster.com
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