Re: [css-d] Flash or No Flash switch?
25kB is a small smaple to test it responsibly. Some latency may distort the measurment. The image can also get cached. In the article, I suggest avoiding caching by appending a random URL parameter to the image (not so nice but it works). As for the size, it will have to depend on the situation. In Duke's case, he wants to decide whether to show a flash banner. Since the extra download is purely decoration, there would be no issue if some high-speed users didn't get the flash. It's still useful to have a rough estimate. A very large test image would defeat the purpose -- if users had to download such an image to test their speed, they might as well download the flash in the first place. Jesse Skinner www.thefutureoftheweb.com __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Flash or No Flash switch?
(not so nice but it works). Ah, haven't noticed, sorry. This is fine and it works, that's important. A very large test image would defeat the purpose Sure, that's the reason I wrote earlier that some valuable measuring wouldn't be nice for bandwith. -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Flash or No Flash switch?
Hi, duke here Rather than a purely decorative image, couln't the standard gif to be used instead of the Flash, be used and downloaded? Then if the Flash is determined not to be used, the alternate would already be there? duke -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jesse Skinner Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 8:28 AM To: css discuss Subject: Re: [css-d] Flash or No Flash switch? 25kB is a small smaple to test it responsibly. Some latency may distort the measurment. The image can also get cached. In the article, I suggest avoiding caching by appending a random URL parameter to the image (not so nice but it works). As for the size, it will have to depend on the situation. In Duke's case, he wants to decide whether to show a flash banner. Since the extra download is purely decoration, there would be no issue if some high-speed users didn't get the flash. It's still useful to have a rough estimate. A very large test image would defeat the purpose -- if users had to download such an image to test their speed, they might as well download the flash in the first place. Jesse Skinner www.thefutureoftheweb.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/200 - Release Date: 12/14/2005 __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Flash or No Flash switch?
brushstreet-Duke wrote: I would like to include a Flash header on the homepage, but switch to a standard gif header for viewers with slow connections. I was hoping that there is a way to maybe have two “includes”, and use one or the other – but first I need some kind of ‘conditional switch’ or ‘logic switch’. Actually, this can be done using an XHTML valid method for inserting flash - object type=application/x-shockwave-flash data=your-file.swf width=w height=hparam name=movie value=your-file.swf / img src=an_alternate_image_to_display.gif|jpg|png alt=Alternate image description, (Flash Player not installed). //object The alternate image can be whatever you choose - obviously should have the same dimensions, etc. You can read more at http://www.ambience.sk/flash-valid.htm. __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Flash or No Flash switch?
I have used css for the first time to rebuild my church's site, and love it. I would like to include a Flash header on the homepage, but switch to a standard gif header for viewers with slow connections. I was hoping that there is a way to maybe have two includes, and use one or the other - but first I need some kind of 'conditional switch' or 'logic switch'. UFO is your friend. Bobby VanDerSluis' Unobtrusive Flash Objects 2.0 can be used to serve up normal content in the place of Flash content via a little JavaScripting. If JS or Flash is not available, then it defaults to showing whatever normal content you want. http://www.bobbyvandersluis.com/ufo/ Probably straying off-topic here. Regards, Ron __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Flash or No Flash switch?
Thanks Ron, that is an interesting site, but as far as I can see, it only detects whether or not the Flash program is downloaded on the visitors computer. Even when I was on a dial-up service, I had Flash on it, it was just very annoying to wait, and wait. I am hopeful that there is some way to do the same thing based upon the speed. I will contact the author of that program (Bobby), and ask him - maybe he knows a way. I will report back here also. Cheers, duke -Original Message- From: Pringle, Ron [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 10:43 AM To: 'brushstreet-Duke'; 'Css Discussion List' Subject: RE: [css-d] Flash or No Flash switch? I have used css for the first time to rebuild my church's site, and love it. I would like to include a Flash header on the homepage, but switch to a standard gif header for viewers with slow connections. I was hoping that there is a way to maybe have two includes, and use one or the other - but first I need some kind of 'conditional switch' or 'logic switch'. UFO is your friend. Bobby VanDerSluis' Unobtrusive Flash Objects 2.0 can be used to serve up normal content in the place of Flash content via a little JavaScripting. If JS or Flash is not available, then it defaults to showing whatever normal content you want. http://www.bobbyvandersluis.com/ufo/ Probably straying off-topic here. Regards, Ron -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/199 - Release Date: 12/13/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/199 - Release Date: 12/13/2005 __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Flash or No Flash switch?
I am hopeful that there is some way to do the same thing based upon the speed. No, it isn't, at least without user's input or traffic-heavy benchmarking. Nonetheless, this part is OT here. -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Flash or No Flash switch?
Thanks Joe, but how does one determine the speed of the visitors connection to know when to switch to the standard gif? duke -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Joe Dolson Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 10:26 AM To: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org Subject: Re: [css-d] Flash or No Flash switch? brushstreet-Duke wrote: I would like to include a Flash header on the homepage, but switch to a standard gif header for viewers with slow connections. I was hoping that there is a way to maybe have two “includes”, and use one or the other – but first I need some kind of ‘conditional switch’ or ‘logic switch’. Actually, this can be done using an XHTML valid method for inserting flash - object type=application/x-shockwave-flash data=your-file.swf width=w height=hparam name=movie value=your-file.swf / img src=an_alternate_image_to_display.gif|jpg|png alt=Alternate image description, (Flash Player not installed). //object The alternate image can be whatever you choose - obviously should have the same dimensions, etc. You can read more at http://www.ambience.sk/flash-valid.htm. __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/199 - Release Date: 12/13/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/199 - Release Date: 12/13/2005 __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Flash or No Flash switch?
Hey Duke, That's a really interesting question, although off topic for this mailing list. You got me thinking and experimenting, and I've come up with a solution to detect a visitor's speed just using JavaScript. I wrote about it on my blog: http://www.thefutureoftheweb.com/blog/2005/12/javascript-speed-detection Good luck! Let me know how it goes, Jesse Skinner www.thefutureoftheweb.com brushstreet-Duke wrote: I have used css for the first time to rebuild my church’s site, and love it. I would like to include a Flash header on the homepage, but switch to a standard gif header for viewers with slow connections. I was hoping that there is a way to maybe have two “includes”, and use one or the other – but first I need some kind of ‘conditional switch’ or ‘logic switch’. Any ideas? __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Flash or No Flash switch?
I've come up with a solution to detect a visitor's speed just using JavaScript. 25kB is a small smaple to test it responsibly. Some latency may distort the measurment. The image can also get cached. -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Flash or No Flash switch?
Jesse, thank you for your time on that! I am not totally adept, so it will take me some time to try it out, but I will let you know. It looks like there is hope! This should evolve into a script that anyone using Flash should incorporate. duke -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jesse Skinner Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 1:09 PM To: brushstreet-Duke Cc: css discuss Subject: Re: [css-d] Flash or No Flash switch? Hey Duke, That's a really interesting question, although off topic for this mailing list. You got me thinking and experimenting, and I've come up with a solution to detect a visitor's speed just using JavaScript. I wrote about it on my blog: http://www.thefutureoftheweb.com/blog/2005/12/javascript-speed-detection Good luck! Let me know how it goes, Jesse Skinner www.thefutureoftheweb.com brushstreet-Duke wrote: I have used css for the first time to rebuild my church’s site, and love it. I would like to include a Flash header on the homepage, but switch to a standard gif header for viewers with slow connections. I was hoping that there is a way to maybe have two “includes”, and use one or the other – but first I need some kind of ‘conditional switch’ or ‘logic switch’. Any ideas? __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/199 - Release Date: 12/13/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/199 - Release Date: 12/13/2005 __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
