Re: [css-d] Site Check for IE layout issues
hard time getting a handle on how to ensure all of my content is in the right place in Internet Explorer 7 and 6. . You are running Proprietary HTML not XHTML strict. The resolution of this issue is best left to a list pro. I assume you are referring to the DOCTYPE ? Is the HTML proprietary because of the javascript for flash ( from Adobe) ? Should this be transitional or another HTML Doctype altogether ? I'm not a list pro and this may offer little in terms of resolution, but... As I understand it, Internet Explorer doesn't support XHTML, so even if you specify XHTML in the doctype and even if you made server-side adjustments to _ensure_ that you were sending XHTML to the browser, IE simply won't render it as XHTML, using instead it's own HTML interpretation. I've yet to see the real benefit to using XHTML over well-formed HTML and tend to use this doctype for everything as a consequence: !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd; It seems to deliver more consistent and predictable results cross-browser. Hope it helps. --Bill -- ~~~ Bill Brown, MacNimble.com :: From dot concept to dot com since 1999 WebDevelopedia.com, TheHolierGrail.com, Cyber-Sandbox.com, Anytowne.com The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift. -- Albert Einstein ~~~ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Site Check for IE layout issues
From: Bill Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 10:18:55 -0500 To: SuzT808 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org, David Laakso [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [css-d] Site Check for IE layout issues I'm not a list pro and this may offer little in terms of resolution, but... As I understand it, Internet Explorer doesn't support XHTML, so even if you specify XHTML in the doctype and even if you made server-side adjustments to _ensure_ that you were sending XHTML to the browser, IE simply won't render it as XHTML, using instead it's own HTML interpretation. I've yet to see the real benefit to using XHTML over well-formed HTML and tend to use this doctype for everything as a consequence: !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd; It seems to deliver more consistent and predictable results cross-browser. Hope it helps. --Bill That's not my understanding at all! I used the following for a number of years: !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd; and recently switched to: !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.1//EN http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml11/DTD/xhtml11.dtd; Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quirks_mode http://www.alistapart.com/stories/doctype/ Could someone else please verify? --- Alyda __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Site Check for IE layout issues
Alyda Gilmore wrote: That's not my understanding at all! I used the following for a number of years: !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd; and recently switched to: !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.1//EN http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml11/DTD/xhtml11.dtd; Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quirks_mode http://www.alistapart.com/stories/doctype/ Could someone else please verify? Hi Alyda-- I should add that IE reads XHTML, so it supports it in that sense, but it serves the pages as text/html not as application/xml+xhtml. I interpret that to mean that it's going to serve the pages as html, regardless of whether or not I've specified an xhtml doctype. Source: http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2005/09/15/467901.aspx It used to be possible to trick IE into serving documents as application/xml, but I'm not sure if this is still possible (or even used). Source: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2004/xhtml-faq#ie Two other useful questions on that page: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2004/xhtml-faq#texthtml http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2004/xhtml-faq#mime11 Hope that helps. --Bill -- ~~~ Bill Brown, MacNimble.com :: From dot concept to dot com since 1999 WebDevelopedia.com, TheHolierGrail.com, Cyber-Sandbox.com, Anytowne.com The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift. -- Albert Einstein ~~~ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Site Check for IE layout issues
SuzT808 wrote: www.cocomomi.com/index8.html http://www.cocomomi.com/index8.html Hi, I assume you are referring to the DOCTYPE ? Is the HTML proprietary because of the javascript for flash ( from Adobe) ? Should this be transitional or another HTML Doctype altogether ? Thanks You are running Proprietary HTML. Changing the doctype will not fix the issues at hand regardless of what doctype you use. The resolution of this issue is best left to someone who knows more about this than me. -- A thin red line and a salmon-color ampersand forthcoming. http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Site Check for IE layout issues
On Sat, 08 Nov 2008 06:18:47 -1000, Alyda Gilmore wrote: From: Bill Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] As I understand it, Internet Explorer doesn't support XHTML, so even if you specify XHTML in the doctype and even if you made server-side adjustments to _ensure_ that you were sending XHTML to the browser, IE simply won't render it as XHTML, using instead it's own HTML interpretation. I've yet to see the real benefit to using XHTML over well-formed HTML and tend to use this doctype for everything as a consequence: !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd; It seems to deliver more consistent and predictable results cross-browser. Hope it helps. --Bill That's not my understanding at all! I used the following for a number of years: !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd; and recently switched to: !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.1//EN http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml11/DTD/xhtml11.dtd; To bring this on-topic (CSS) note that browsers use a DOCTYPE as a mode switch only. This has most effect in IE, which not only reverts to the old box model without a DOCTYPE, but does not even pretend to support CSS 1. Other browsers are less affected, and still apply full CSS 2+ as far as they are able.[1] In brief, I don't think HTML vs XHTML DOCTYPE makes much difference to CSS rendering. Just make sure you use a valid DOCTYPE for IE's sake. I think David means that Flash is proprietary. He may be saying he cannot debug a page that includes Flash - nor can I. Sorry. As far as XHTML vs. HTML issues go:- As long as your page has a name ending in .html or .htm all browsers see your code as HTML unless you have done something strange on your server. If you change the filename extension to .xhtml browsers will try to treat it as XHTML. This is true for pages viewed locally, and true on many, but not all servers. XHTML 1.1 is *only* intended to be used as XHTML. I suggest you not use this for pages seen as HTML - although it does not matter much, since XHTML is designed to be interpreted as HTML as well as XHTML. Fortunately, since that's what a majority of pages are doing. Bottom line - use a valid DOCTYPE for IE and for the validator. When the validator recognizes the HTML 5 DOCTYPE, you can use that one instead, as it does the mode switch in all browsers, as far as I can tell: !DOCTYPE html [1] http://www.gunlaug.no/contents/wd_additions_34.html Cordially, David -- __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Site Check for IE layout issues
I'm not too sure what is causing that problem in MSIE... but this is the code... /div !-- end wbott_inner-- /div div class=clearfix/div !-- mcontent done -- !--footer-- FRYNGE here is where the spacing is taken place in the page in MSIE 7, Just before the home and talk to us - hope this helps div id=footera href=http://www.globalfusionproductions.com/index.html; title=Global Fusion ProductionsHome/a // a href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title=contact us Talk to Us/a !-- a href=productsofgf.html title=Products of Global Fusion Coming SoonProducts/a | a href=fusiontv title=Global Fusion TVglobalfusiontv/a | a href=contact.html title=Pin-Pin Huang Su ContactContact/a -- Kelly Sigethy - Frynge.com Web Design - Hosting - Advertising http://www.frynge.com 1-403-251-9486 (Calgary) 1-866-331-9684 (Toll Free - Canada and the USA) +44 (0)8717 206 505 (United Kingdom) - Original Message - From: SuzT808 To: Frynge Customer Support Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 2:56 AM Subject: Re: [css-d] Site Check for IE layout issues On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 6:22 PM, Frynge Customer Support [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my internet explorer 7, there are large spaces under the email and the radio In firefox, it shows the player right under the stamp. You have a bit of java script that can be put in to a script instead of inside the main source code Kelly Sigethy - Frynge.com Web Design - Hosting - Advertising http://www.frynge.com 1-403-251-9486 (Calgary) 1-866-331-9684 (Toll Free - Canada and the USA) +44 (0)8717 206 505 (United Kingdom) - Original Message - From: SuzT808 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [css-d] Site Check for IE layout issues Hello I may be sending this twice, as it doesn't appear as though it reached the list. Hello I would appreciate a review of the following page as I am having a hard time getting a handle on how to ensure all of my content is in the right place in Internet Explorer 7 and 6. I am trying to leave 5 out and IE 8 looks okay, I believe this is a fairly simple design and perhaps I may have overcomplicated it so that I can either start fresh or have a clearer indication of what to do and not do next time. Please ignore ( or if you have suggestions on a better approach) the slideshow being blank or the duplicate music player.. www.cocomomi.com/index8.html Thank you in advance Suz Kathy, Is the javascript you are referring to the script for flash ? is that causing problems with the layout ? __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Site Check for IE layout issues
Hi Suze, I hate to throw a wrench into the works but have you checked this page in Safari 3.03 or Firefox 3 on the Mac? It looks kind of odd to me, there are 3 empty blocks in the middle of the page and the radios are stacked on top of each other under the footer. In Safari the play all button is on top of the in Welcome to the World of Global Fusion Productions Inc. I can send you screenshots if you like. What is it supposed to look like? Tracey On Nov 8, 2008, at 4:39 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: SuzT808 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [css-d] Site Check for IE layout issues Hello I may be sending this twice, as it doesn't appear as though it reached the list. Hello I would appreciate a review of the following page as I am having a hard time getting a handle on how to ensure all of my content is in the right place in Internet Explorer 7 and 6. I am trying to leave 5 out and IE 8 looks okay, I believe this is a fairly simple design and perhaps I may have overcomplicated it so that I can either start fresh or have a clearer indication of what to do and not do next time. Please ignore ( or if you have suggestions on a better approach) the slideshow being blank or the duplicate music player.. www.cocomomi.com/index8.html Thank you in advance Suz __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Site Check for IE layout issues
Hello I may be sending this twice, as it doesn't appear as though it reached the list. Hello I would appreciate a review of the following page as I am having a hard time getting a handle on how to ensure all of my content is in the right place in Internet Explorer 7 and 6. I am trying to leave 5 out and IE 8 looks okay, I believe this is a fairly simple design and perhaps I may have overcomplicated it so that I can either start fresh or have a clearer indication of what to do and not do next time. Please ignore ( or if you have suggestions on a better approach) the slideshow being blank or the duplicate music player.. www.cocomomi.com/index8.html Thank you in advance Suz __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Site Check for IE layout issues
In my internet explorer 7, there are large spaces under the email and the radio In firefox, it shows the player right under the stamp. You have a bit of java script that can be put in to a script instead of inside the main source code Kelly Sigethy - Frynge.com Web Design - Hosting - Advertising http://www.frynge.com 1-403-251-9486 (Calgary) 1-866-331-9684 (Toll Free - Canada and the USA) +44 (0)8717 206 505 (United Kingdom) - Original Message - From: SuzT808 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [css-d] Site Check for IE layout issues Hello I may be sending this twice, as it doesn't appear as though it reached the list. Hello I would appreciate a review of the following page as I am having a hard time getting a handle on how to ensure all of my content is in the right place in Internet Explorer 7 and 6. I am trying to leave 5 out and IE 8 looks okay, I believe this is a fairly simple design and perhaps I may have overcomplicated it so that I can either start fresh or have a clearer indication of what to do and not do next time. Please ignore ( or if you have suggestions on a better approach) the slideshow being blank or the duplicate music player.. www.cocomomi.com/index8.html Thank you in advance Suz __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Site Check for IE layout issues
SuzT808 wrote: Hello I would appreciate a review of the following page as I am having a hard time getting a handle on how to ensure all of my content is in the right place in Internet Explorer 7 and 6. . www.cocomomi.com/index8.html Suz You are running Proprietary HTML not XHTML strict. The resolution of this issue is best left to a list pro. -- A thin red line and a salmon-color ampersand forthcoming. http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Site Check for IE layout issues
On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 9:58 PM, David Laakso [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: SuzT808 wrote: Hello I would appreciate a review of the following page as I am having a hard time getting a handle on how to ensure all of my content is in the right place in Internet Explorer 7 and 6. . www.cocomomi.com/index8.html Suz You are running Proprietary HTML not XHTML strict. The resolution of this issue is best left to a list pro. -- A thin red line and a salmon-color ampersand forthcoming. http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ Hi, I assume you are referring to the DOCTYPE ? Is the HTML proprietary because of the javascript for flash ( from Adobe) ? Should this be transitional or another HTML Doctype altogether ? Thanks __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
