Re: [CTRL] Y2K Overhype (Re: [CTRL] OEN 12/27/98)
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/29/98 4:57:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So true, so true. Whether it turns out to be a bona fide catastrophe or merely a pretext for martial law, I think we need to start converting our anxieties about it into action, and use it as an opportunity for community building, community agriculture to guarantee continuity of our food supply, etc. Call me a kook, but I think we need to steal the ball and take it back down the court, knowwaddimean? --Charles Could not agree more Charles. When you SIGHT the ball let me know and then we can TRY to steal it back and then go back down the court! :) Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Charles: vs. socialism, vs. capitalism, what now?
-Caveat Lector- Neat post, Charles! CrappleSoft--that's really a good one! LOL!!! sno0wl On 26 Dec 98 , [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But technology, of course, is a two-edged sword. There are many, many potential technological solutions that could help us set ourselves free, but they must be solutions that are developed and initiated independently of the established system. We must learn to survive independently in the midst of Babylon's house, if for no other reason than to prove it can be done. Why not set up an independent international network of Internet servers based on packet radio? Why not set up an online bartering system and opt out of the Beast system entirely? Why not organize corps of volunteer knowledge workers and guerilla information activists to develop the software and hardware that would be necessary to set up these alternatives? All we really need is food, shelter and a little time. There is no end to the possibilities, if people actually got together and started DOING something. Again, it's important to debate economic issues as thoroughly as one might beat a dead horse, but it is also extremely important to put ideas into action. When our leaders are derelict and corrupt, we must lead ourselves; when the system has deteriorated beyond repair, it is up to US to build a new one. Failing this, we embrace the idea of controlled dissent with open arms. And the tools we need are sitting right here in front of us. Stop thinking of your computers as boxes with microchips and circuits inside. Start thinking of them as infinitely malleable blocks of clay, or as cans of paint with your own mind serving as an infinite canvas. Start thinking about the possibilities. Start thinking. I came to a snare in the woods kind of half-assed covered in some leaves. I spent years staring at it in muted anger. Then I spent some more years pointing at it in a rage and yelling at others to come help me stare and point at it. Finally I realized that the snare was not only doing its work quite well, it had actually managed to entrap many more than it would have caught if I'd just ignorantly stepped into it and been caught. Then, finally, I remembered the knife in my back pocket. I took it out and cut the rope, and I've been pretty happy ever since. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bethlehem; 90s Revision
-Caveat Lector- I loved it! Manger rash, indeed!!! LOL!!! sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Y2K IN THE UK
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/29/98 10:08:04 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The British Army on the Rhine have been recalled for crowd control exercises and British Newspapers eg. Scotsman have beeb pedalling the preperatory ground for Martial Law given the necessity. Andrew, Major governments in the world are seriously concerned about looting/rioting and other such problems. Personally believe that to be understanderable. Look at what happened in LA after the OJ simpson verdict. People, using the excuse of the verdict, went absolutly nuts and burned/looted everything in sight. What happens was in a perceived crisis, basic survival, or criminal elements seem to come out in full force. IF all the Y2K "doom and gloom" predictions come true, i.e. loss of power, electricity, air travel, trains, so on, many nations will likely see a restless population, many of which will be inclined to riot/loot and burn everything in sight. However my Discussion group in Edinburgh, Scotland think that the problem could have been easily and quickly spotted by some of the most logical and pragnatic minds in the world ie. computer scientists - many years ago. Computer minds knew about this problem in the 60s, but those great minds looked at the rapid advancement of technology, and everything else and figured that by the time we got to the 90s NOBODY would even consider using old main frames with 60s code in them. Further that people in that era and time frame could worry about all those problems...after to those who lived in the 60s, 2000 wasn't going to happen for 30-35 years so why worry about it. Guess what. Governments and institutions continue to use old code and old mainframes. As I recall from my reading their is already some kind of problem with the year 2019, and 2030. Are the computer geeks and guru's bothering with those problems? NO! Why not? Because they are worried about more immediate problems, and figure they will deal with those problems down the road. The truth be known, human nature never changes. In the UK, there is some publicity from Banks and Bureaus re dealing with Y2K but as usual - there is this mind - numbing blanket of media silence, whilst the TV continues with its other agendas. The media will do what it always does, and will continue to do. That being to not seriously bother with Y2K coverage and problems until two to three weeks or perhaps days before it happens. Take any issue in the media. For example US Super Bowl coverage in newspapers will seriously begin 1-3 days BEFORE the Super Bowl. Serious coverage of the Senate impeachment trail will start trickling out 1-3 days before the trial is expected to start. Should the US or UK bomb Iraq again serious coverage will start either at, or just after the first bombs start falling. Speaking of that, supposedly nobody knew when the US would strike Iraq, yet the media was all in place on top of the information ministry in Bagdad, AND supposedly CNN reporter Christian Amonpour had to drive 19 hours over the desert to get into Bagdad for the start of coverage. And people are expected to believer that NOBODY knew when the bombs would start falling. Anybody that believes that, I got a bridge in brooklyn for sale. In 1988 many people in the Pacific Northwest will remember that as the year of the fires in Yellowstone Park. I happened to be visiting West Yellowstone, watching all the reporters doing their thing for the nightly national news casts. TV reporters from all the networks were assembled in a line, spaced about 3 feet apart doing their standups in front of network cameras. I noticed junior grade people running up to their networks guys with papers. All of a sudden people are scurrying around, packing up etc etc. I asked one of the reporters "Hey, whats going on?" The reporter said some big hurricane or storm was expected to hit Texas and cause alot of damage so they were headed down to cover that. I asked something to the effect of "Well the fires are still going..." To which his response went something to the effect of: 'Well we in the news business, especially the TV side, go in a figurative sense to one smoking dead body to the newest smoking dead body and Texas is where the next smoking dead body is...' Needless to say, Y2K will not be a smoking dead body until perhaps as late as Dec 28th, 1999. Thats the way the business works. cheers, Robert DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to
[CTRL] COX INVESTIGATION CONCLUDED - 'SHOCKING'
-Caveat Lector- *ALERT* CHRIS COX INVESTIGATION CONCLUDED -- FINDS 'SHOCKING' AND 'EXCEPTIONALLY SERIOUS PROBLEMS' from: http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a36881c4c38df.htm Los Angeles Times - DAILY PILOT Saturday, December 26, 1998 By HUSEIN MASHN Fund-raising probe finds "serious problems," Cox says Republican congressman hints that link between Democratic Party and sale of satellites to China will be 'shocking.' -- WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Serious problems have been uncovered by a six-month congressional investigation into the connection between Democratic Party fund raising and the transfer of sensitive satellite technology to the People's Republic of China, says Rep. Chris Cox of Newport Beach, who oversaw the investigation. The classified final draft of the $1.5 million, 1,800-page study will be completed today, Cox said. "The select committee has uncovered exceptionally serious problems in the area of our jurisdiction," Cox said. "If it was publicly known, it would be shocking, indeed." Cox chaired the select committee, which includes members of both parties who looked into an alleged transfer of sensitive satellite technology to China from Loral Space Communications Co. and Hughes Electronics Corp. Loral received a waiver from the Clinton administration to sell the technology, which the congressional committee alleges could be a threat to national security. The waiver was granted while the Justice Department was investigating Loral Chairman Bernard Schwartz, who gave the Clinton-Gore re-election campaign more than $600,000, more than any other single contributor. "I've really been working long hours with members of my staff to meet the Jan. 2 deadline," Cox said. "We have finished the investigation and are now writing the report." Cox said criminal investigations also are being conducted regarding transactions between Loral, Hughes Aircraft and China. Although the report is classified and has been successfully guarded from being leaked to the media, Cox said the select committee will attempt to "declassify as much of the report as possible," by early next year. "We have in recent months been focusing on [Chinese] espionage directed against U.S. military technology," Cox said earlier this week. "We'll have Christmas Day off, but then we'll be back to work Saturday." --- On Chris Cox's page is a link to http://www.house.gov/chriscox/Press/coverage/ocr081998chinaselect.htm which gives: Wednesday, August 19, 1998 China inquiry is under veil of secrecy GOVERNMENT: Cox and other committee members begin hearing from analysts about the rocket/satellite explosion and consequences. By DENA BUNIS The Orange County Register WASHINGTON -- Code-word classification. Secure space. Security briefing. It sounds very Tom Clancy-ish. But those phrases have become part of Rep. Christopher Cox's vocabulary as his select committee on China has gotten down to work. For three days this week, the nine-member panel is hearing from top intelligence community analysts. Just what happened in February 1996 when a Chinese rocket exploded when it was about to launch an American sat? And in that aftermath, did Loral Space Systems, the satellite's builder, pass on secrets to the Chinese government? If so, why should we care? So far, everything the committee has been told has come via classified, secure briefings. In a town where leaks and partisan bickering are as expected as a hot, humid August, so far Cox, R-Newport Beach, and the ranking Democrat, Rep. Norman Dicks of Washington, have managed to keep rank politics out of this inquiry. And they are being very careful not to divulge anything that might remotely resemble a leak. What they will say is that after listening to the country's highest-level intelligence community officials, they want to not only know about what information the Chinese got but whether the Chinese passed on that information to unsavory regimes that could use them for no good. "When technology is transferred to Beijing it doesn't stop there," Cox said in an interview this week. "There is substantial evidence of technology transfers to countries that pose a much more serious short-term threat to the United States." When the committee meets, security is tight. Even the room where the panel meets tucked away in the Capitol's attic is unknown to most members of Congress. To get there, members use an unmarked elevator, set apart from the Capitol's crypt by a burgundy velvet rope. A sign reads: "Authorized Personnel Only." The elevator opens onto a stark white hallway. A heavy door is shut. There's a combination lock on the outside. A Capitol Police officer stands guard. The windowless hearing room is routinely swept for electronic surveillance. As the ranking
Re: [CTRL] ENEMY OF THE STATE
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/19/98 8:48:00 PM, Kenn wrote: Also, three Brits and a New Zealander were recently beheaded in barabric Chechnya who were videotaped before their deaths confessing they were there for the purpose of setting up an ECEHELON satellite aerial. For more info, go to: Interesting -- there were some reports in 1996 that the NSA assisted the Russian military in targeting Chechnyan resistance leader Dudayev by homing in on his cell phone signal, and utterly bombarding the whole area with rockets, killing him and everything near him. I can understand why the Chechnyans would be a little unpleased to see an ECHELON aerial go up... --Charles DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] (no subject)
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: (For the rest of the list, THIS New England Yankee has NO idea what Lynne is babbling about.) June ... mmm, says a lot. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] CHRISTMAS WISHES
-Caveat Lector- On Tue, 29 Dec 1998, nurev wrote: OK. I should have said that Adam and Eve were promised a Savior, and that the promise they passed on got distorted in many cultures up to the time of Noah -- but you have to sometimes try to cut these posts short when you think you've made the essential point. There were no such persons as Adam and Eve for sure, and the existence of Noah is highly doubtfull. How do you feel about Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck? How about the tooth fairy? Well, as I stated in my own responses, it all boils down to a matter of FAITH... Almost all ancient cultures WORLDWIDE have legends/myths regarding a terrible flood, replete with their own 'Noah' who saves at least a remnant of the people/flora/fauna...and archeological digs worldwide HAVE found evidence of a catastrophic flood at the same geological layer -- so there would seem to be SOME basis in fact for such legends... It is by FAITH alone that one is saved, not by turning THINGS into icons and worshipping them... People don't need to be saved for being born. They need to be saved from the insanity of people like you. _I_ posted the statement you're responding to...the point I was trying to make is that he's expending a lot of energy into making THINGS into objects of worship... It boils down to the fact that ANY religion is a 'leap of faith'...and one wastes one's time by trying to argue 'objective scientific facts' on such a subject... June === Ring out the old, ring in the new, Ring happy bells, across the snow; The year is going, let him go; Ring out the false, ring in the true. -- Tennyson: In Memoriam === *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Who said the African AIDS crisis is part of aconspiracy?
-Caveat Lector- -Caveat Lector-What the hell is WRONG with this woman? Why is she having sex with someone who she's afraid would beat her -- for ANY reason? It may be necessary to spend time in 3rd world cultures to understand the societal perspective. About 10 years ago I spent some time in such a country. Some brave female activists from the US had come down and were attempting to change the consciousness and conditions of the local women. They were setting up clinics, day care, education, that type of thing. The reproductive education was offered on the country's only radio station. I was shocked - the information was presented on a very basic 6th grade level. *Ladies, let's talk about our bodies* and they would start at ground 0 - ovaries, uterus, little sperms swimming, etc. When they came to the self-esteem part I cried when I realized the perspective - "Ladies, now you are going to receive some modern information. No one has the right to beat you. You own your body and don't have to let your man hit you..." It was going to be a very long haul. The county that I live in within the US has a higher teenage unmarried pregnancy rate than Harlem. The local hospital routinely delivers a dozen 12-year old girls a year. From personal experience I can tell you that 50% of these girls were impregnated by a male family member, and by force. The little women's shelter is always full. The local men won't use condoms, either. There isn't even a health dept. to run HIV tests. The other 40 counties that surround me are the same. Convincing a local woman with no education, no skills, no vehicle, no money and no place to go with four kids that she needs to leave the man who beats her is a long haul here, too, and lots of your tax dollars are spent trying to do just that. Perspective. Gail DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Who said the African AIDS crisis is part of aconspiracy?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/30/1998 8:40:54 AM, you wrote: The county that I live in within the US has a higher teenage unmarried pregnancy rate than Harlem. Forgive me, Gail, but as a resident of Harlem, I'd like you to, please, tell me 1) what the actual, quantified pregnancy rates that you, here, are comparing, 2) when my neighborhood became a metric for this sort of careless analogy, and 3) if you are a white person. Best, Harry Allen DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] (no subject)
-Caveat Lector- June The way you came across on this list, came across as being cranky. As you VERY well know on AOL, hit the reply button and if there is NO SUBJECT line, well, the rest is history. I WAS replying to another's post, so maybe it should be brought up to the whole list to put something in the subject line, now does that make sense? Lynne DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Skullpuffery
-Caveat Lector- From wsws.org WSWS : History Interview with David King at the opening of his exhibition The Commissar Vanishes "There was no political continuity between Lenin and Stalin. Stalin and his regime destroyed the revolution." By Stefan Steinberg 29 December 1998 First of all, I asked David King about the background to the exhibition. You must understand there is not a lot of money around for staging such an exhibition. It has taken some time to get off the ground. This is the third venue. The first was in Vienna, the second in Milan. And the thing is sort of gathering momentum The exhibition here in Berlin looks good and on the whole I am very pleased with it. What is good about the exhibition is that it is a chance to see original material as well as reproductions from prints. Everything for example in the vitrine cabinets are originals and you have a real chance to see where the material came from, whether it's from newspapers, magazines or documents. The exhibition is spread over the whole house, in all 10 rooms, and up until now there has been a lot of media interest. What sort of reactions has the exhibition provoked? Well, there have been hardly any hostile reactions. Nobody can argue with the material I have collected. On the basis of what is exhibited here nobody can defend Stalin or Stalinism. There was, however, an amusing experience in Milan. Four visitors to the exhibition approached me there and complimented me on having done the retouching. [ laughs] They thought it was some sort of art show--I find that very funny. But interestingly enough you sometimes get a similar reaction in Moscow as well because some of the pictures are so imprinted on people's minds, for example--the picture of Lenin and Gorky together. There is this very strange, very long, narrow print featuring Lenin and Gorky together, which everybody has seen and knows--but no negative is such a shape. In fact, the picture has been cut and retouched from a group photo taken of delegates to the Second World Congress of the Communist International. When they see the whole original print featuring 25 people, then in Moscow I get quizzical looks; they are asking themselves--"Can this be the case?" How and when did you begin your work? I first started collecting material in 1970. I went to Russia and asked for material about Trotsky and there wasn't any. I was asked why I was interested in Trotsky. Stalin was important for the revolution, not Trotsky, they said. When I came back to London I was determined to do a visual history--as far as possible, a truthful, visual history of what happened in the Soviet Union. I have been collecting ever since and obviously from a socialist perspective, i.e., not like Richard Pipes and Robert Conquest [Cold War/anti-communist historians]. And another thing--at that time in the late sixties, an enormous amount of stuff was being written on politics, including Trotsky's ideas, but people were not exactly reading it all. However, when my co-worker Francis [Wyndham] and I did the first pictorial Trotsky biography in 1972, 25,000 copies were sold. You saw people reading the book on the tube train, it was a big thing at the time, with a paperback edition by Penguin, one of Britain's main publishers. Our thinking then was to communicate something of Trotsky's ideas and so encourage people to read more about and from him. I asked King his opinion of the relevance of his work in light of the current campaign, accompanying the publication of the Blackbook of Communism, that equates Lenin and the gains of the Russian Revolution with Stalin and Stalinism. Well naturally I disagree with such a thesis. It is very difficult to do what I am doing at this period of time, but of course there was no political continuity between Lenin and Stalin. Stalin and his regime destroyed the revolution, he destroyed the hopes of communism. You only have to take a look at the pictures in room 3 of the exhibition. Featured there are the NKVD secret police photos of ordinary, completely innocent citizens who were taken away by Stalin's goons--men, women and children pulled out of their houses and shot. They didn't even go to the gulag. Are there any plans for further venues, or perhaps taking the exhibition to Moscow? Not at the moment. I know for a fact there would be great difficulties taking it to Moscow. Did you know they want to restore the monument of Felix Dzerzhinsky, which is the symbol for the power of the KGB apparatus? It used to stand directly before the Lubyanka prison in Moscow. The majority of Zyuganov's Communist Party deputies voted for the restoration of the statue. It's really frightening because in the chaos of the Soviet Union, these guys [the KGB] have been standing in the background. Now they say, "Our hands are clean, give us a chance to control things." It demonstrates perhaps that my exhibition isn't just a dry historical exercise. It raises and attempts to clarify questions
[CTRL] Science Society
-Caveat Lector- From wsws.org WSWS : News Analysis : Science Technology Marxist standpoint on "Science and Society" debated at British university By our correspondent 29 December 1998 The Socialist Equality Party was invited to present a guest lecture on "Science and Society" to a postgraduate course entitled Biotechnology and Public Affairs. Organised by biochemistry lecturer Dr. David James at the University of Canterbury, Kent, the course is attended by students taking their Masters degree in biochemistry. Dr. James had first met members of the SEP campaigning on the campus with the book Human BSE: Anatomy of a Health Disaster [http://www.socialequality.org.uk/bse-o23.htm], earlier this year. Most outside speakers invited to address the course are from the pharmaceuticals industry, including representatives of major corporations such as Unilever, SmithKline Beecham and Glaxo Wellcome. Although not a socialist, Dr. James thought it important that his students have an opportunity to hear an alternative perspective to that of the multinational companies. The students listened attentively to the talk, entitled "Science and Society, a Socialist Perspective", given by Chris Talbot, a member of the SEP who is a lecturer in mathematics. A wide variety of questions were raised by the students at the end of the lecture and Dr. James was pleased at the interest they showed, which he remarked was in contrast to the poor response the industry speakers usually received. He invited the SEP to present a lecture to the course next year, but allowing two hours instead of one, so that there would be more time for questions and discussion. Following the talk, Dr. James asked Chris Talbot to clarify what was meant by "objective truth". Talbot explained that this was obviously a vast issue, but he could use the example of Newtonian mechanics to illuminate the matter. "Nobody would doubt the accuracy with which the motion of rockets and satellites could be predicted on the basis of Newton's laws. Whilst tiny discrepancies might arise, which would need Einstein's Theory of General Relativity to explain, Newton's theory was adequate and provided scientists with objective truth. Many, many other scientific theories had been tested out and applied in practice, like Newtonian mechanics, and provide us with truth about the material world. The postmodernists have seized upon the disputes and controversies which arise in the course of the development of science and use this to give a false picture of science as a whole--implying that it is entirely relative." One student asked, "Aren't these huge companies shooting themselves in the foot? If they take all the wealth, they won't be able to sell their products any longer." Talbot replied, "It is true that in their pursuit of profits the big corporations are entirely at the mercy of the market. The prices they charge and the huge profits they make are determined ultimately by the laws of capitalist economics. In the sense that there is growing instability and collapse in the world market, even whilst they are raking in billions they are "shooting themselves in the foot". Even those like George Soros, who recognise this instability, can do nothing about it. In the event of a downturn, or a fall in profits, these companies downsize and thousands are thrown out of a job. Capitalism cannot provide a secure future for the vast majority of the population." Dr. James asked, "How are you going to organise the very costly research which is necessary in the development of drugs, etc.? How can it be done otherwise than by large companies?" A student answered this by saying, "You can't look at it in that way--of how to make a profit." Public funding of science was recognised as an alternative. Another student raised the difference between present-day science and science in the past. "The equipment is really expensive today, compared to that used in the time of Einstein. At that time, it was more about ideas, but now it's about using those ideas, which is more expensive." Talbot stressed that the international collaboration that is needed for current science is actually being held back by competition between private companies and between nation states. "The resources should be publicly owned and democratically organised on a world scale." Dr. James questioned whether there really were cuts taking place in science. His department had recently received a government grant for hundreds of millions of pounds, and he thought there was still plenty of money available. Talbot accepted that the Labour government in Britain had increased funding for research in biochemistry "because they believe it is a key area to attract investment. But overall there has been only a tiny increase in the amount given to scientific research by the Labour government, after many years of cutbacks. On a world scale evidence in the UNESCO report and other material cited in the lecture demonstrated clearly a
[CTRL] Russiana: 12-29
-Caveat Lector- From Int'l Herald Tribune Paris, Wednesday, December 30, 1998 Hazed and Hating It: Russian Draftees Flee Army By Daniel Williams Washington Post Service ST. PETERSBURG - Volodya, with a boyish fuzz on his lean young man's cheeks, detailed his ordeal in slang he picked up during a short, brutal stay in the Russian Army. ''Grandfathers'' - that is, senior soldiers in his unit - had ''hung'' him with an arbitrary debt. When he didn't pay, the grandfathers taught him to ''fly'' - meaning they kneed him with such force that he was lifted off the barracks floor. Fearing he would end up in a ''zinc box,'' Volodya deserted, fled to St. Petersburg and hid in the anonymous high-rise neighborhoods of the city's periphery. Zinc box is what soldiers call the metal coffins used for military dead. Volodya has joined the legion of deserters and draft dodgers on the run from the army, a once-proud institution that has become a chamber of horrors spread across 11 time zones. Unrestrained hazing and material deprivation await youths who answer their country's call to serve. Killings, suicides and depraved forms of abuse are the backdrop of a soldier's life. The beatings aggravate already inhumane conditions brought on by Russia's seven-year economic tailspin and deep cuts in military spending. Barracks are often unheated, and soldiers go without pay for months. Units trained for tank warfare sometimes pick potatoes to make money. Corrupt generals use their troops as free labor to build country homes or to maintain their properties. During the autumn draft season in St. Petersburg and the rest of Russia, tales told by young men like Volodya were making it difficult to fill quotas. Recruiters complained that health certificates were forged, illness being one way to avoid the draft. After exemptions are handed out for schooling and other reasons, the leftovers are often ill-suited for army service, they say. Draftees say recruiters will illicitly exempt them for a $2,000 bribe. Doctors on the take will provide fake diagnoses for about the same price. Russia's 1.2-million-member army is fed with 150,000 new draftees every six months. No one seems to have exact figures for the number of draft evaders, although only about half the conscripts actually end up in the service, said Alexander Uzhanov, a Defense Ministry spokesman. About 15 percent do not bother to respond to draft notices and an additional 20 percent try to get out on health grounds. Mr. Uzhanov could not account for the rest. Commanders complain that drug addicts, alcoholics and criminals are being admitted to the army in large numbers. The Defense Ministry says 42,000 deserters are on the lam at any time. Defense officials are defensive or dismissive about complaints that the service is brutal. But hardly a month goes by without some scandal involving soldiers reaching the public eye. Last month on a base near Volgograd, two captured soldiers who had been absent without leave were punished with confinement in a pit on a firing range. Overnight, the hole collapsed, burying them alive. One of the soldiers died before they were discovered; the other survived. In September, a sailor on duty aboard a nuclear submarine shot and killed eight of his comrades, then shot himself. Officers said he was ''mentally unfit''; friends said he had been hazed. During the draft call last spring, Russian television broadcast a videotape that has left an indelible image on the national consciousness. In a sadistic hazing ritual, burly older men marched down a row of junior soldiers and kneed each one in the chest. In response to orders to stop such assaults, commanders at a base in the northern Caucasus require soldiers to strip for inspection every week. That way, the officers can check for bruises hidden by clothing - and the recruits' fearful silence. ''I volunteered,'' said Volodya of his five-month career in a unit of the railroad troops, which provide security along Russia's vast locomotive network. ''The grandfathers wanted money. They didn't care how I got it - stealing, begging. When I didn't pay, they hit me in the chest. Kicked me around the room. The officers in charge, they looked the other way.'' Volodya's eyes shifted nervously to one side. The sound of shuffling footsteps behind him on the ice-glazed sidewalk made him fidget. He lives a life of suspicion and hides at a friend's house. On occasion, he borrows a neighbor's baby and takes it for a stroll just to get outside. ''It's camouflage,'' he said sheepishly. ''Police don't stop you if you're tending a child.'' He was visiting the offices of the Soldiers' Mothers Committee, a St. Petersburg organization with roots in protests against the war in Chechnya. Earlier, mothers of soldiers missing in Chechnya came to the committee for help
[CTRL] CAUS - Citizens Against UFO Secrecy - home page
Interesting informative UFO anti secrecy org. flw http://caus.org/ CAUS - Citizens Against UFO Secrecy - home page.url
[CTRL] Return To Cold War Days
-Caveat Lector- In past CNNS press release it was pointed out that a return to the old Cold War scenario seemed likely. Since that press release, Russia has recalled her ambassadors from both the U.S. and the U.K. Such a recall of ambassadors is historically quite serious: for example, after Pearl Harbor, Japan recalled her ambassador to the U.S. Yet the Russian recall of Ambassadors has been treated as if it's no big deal by U.S. mass media, who've merely mentioned it in passing. Also ominous is the re-uniting of Russia with Ukraine and possible re-uniting with Belarus (sp?) Also, when dying Yeltsin finally does die, that is likely to lead to further disaffection between U.S. and Russia. Also, Iraq situation not resolved but worse than ever after extravagant dumping of $500 million worth of bombs; Iraq, client state of Russia, now more defiant than ever. If further war breaks out between U.S. and Iraq, that's bound to further alienate the Russians. Below is article from NYTimes business section indicating Russia is defaulting on its debt to big bankers; powerful big bankers aren't going to like that. December 30, 1998 Russia Fails to Make $362 Million Bank Payment __ Related Articles Issues in Depth: Russia's Turmoil Forum Join a Discussion on Russia's Turmoil __ By DAVID E. SANGER W ASHINGTON -- Russia on Tuesday failed to make a $362 million payment on Soviet-era debt that it owes to commercial banks around the world, a move that U.S. officials, the International Monetary Fund and lenders to Russia fear could signal a growing movement in Moscow to simply default on the country's obligations. The lenders, led by Bank of America, stopped short of calling Tuesday's action a default, even though it appeared to be exactly that. In August, in the midst of the devaluation of the ruble and the firing of the economic reformers who had negotiated a bailout of the country with the International Monetary Fund, Russia failed to pay hundreds of millions of dollars it owed to foreign governments. But Tuesday's action was the first in which it failed to pay private creditors, on whom the country's chances of economic recovery hinge. Russia needed to reach agreement with 95 percent of its creditors to restructure its debt, essentially allowing it to pay the money back over a far longer period of time. But only 72 percent of those creditors gave approval to a plan under which the commercial banks would accept government-issued bonds as an alternative to cash. Russia insists that it only needed to win the approval of two-thirds of the creditors, and therefore it is not technically in default. "Officially, the issue of default does not exist at this point," Vladimir Yatsenko, an aide to the chairman of Vnesheconombank, Russia's paying agent, was quoted as saying in a Bloomberg News dispatch from Moscow. Bank of America said through a spokesman that it was seeking clarification of Yatsenko's reported statement but that the 95 percent approval requirement from creditors remained unchanged. The payment itself is not a major problem for the banks, and the markets had long ago anticipated that Russia would find itself unable to pay, or simply would be unwilling to do so. But the signal that Russia's action sent seems bound to reverberate in capitals around the world, especially in Washington. International economic officials said they suspected that Russia had decided to simply default on selected foreign debt. "The question," said one official who has been engaged in discussions with the Russians, "is whether this is an act of desperation or a negotiating tactic." One possibility is that the government of President Boris Yeltsin has determined that there is little chance that private banks will lend it money for years to come, even if Russia begins to collect taxes, impose fiscal austerity, and come to terms with the IMF over a new loan package. With no relationship left to destroy with the commercial banks, this theory goes, the Russians have simply made a determination to halt repayments. But others believe that the default may simply amount to a negotiating strategy, to force the banks to restructure the debt on Moscow's terms. "This may be their equivalent of an offer we can't refuse," one banker dealing with Russia said last week. "They want us to think that the choice is between getting something -- who knows how much -- someday, or getting nothing at all." The Russians have been engaged in a parallel negotiation with other governments to which it owes money, a
[CTRL] Secret Deals, Awkward Bargain
A little (tiny) tip of the huge secret government Iceberg. flw http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1998-12/30/081l-123098-idx.html Secret Deals, Awkward Bargain.url
[CTRL] Rethinking AIDS WebSite
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.virusmyth.com/aids/"Click here: HIV AIDS - Rethinking AIDS WebSite - Homepage/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Russia heads for debt default
-Caveat Lector- Russia heads for debt default Tuesday, 29 December 1998 22:48 (GMT) (UPI Focus) Russia heads for debt default LONDON, Dec. 29 (UPI) - Russia is heading for default on $22 billion of commercial debt dating back to the Soviet era as industry sources expressed doubt it could meet a deadline for a $362 million payment to western commercial banks. As Russian officials met with Club of London creditors there was no indication that Moscow had met the deadline. One banking source said, "If they fail to pay as expected, they'll be in technical default." Financial sources said that as of late tonight, Russia had failed to secure overwhelming agreement of creditors to restructure the payment. The government needed to secure 95 percent support from its creditors to restructure the payment it missed on Dec. 2 into new bonds. Last week, Russian officials indicated they had only 72 percent approval. Today marks the end of a grace period during which Russia could have made the payment without being in default. For several months now Russia has been campaigning to restructure a part of its foreign debt to reduce its overall debt burden. The strategy is crucial to Moscow's bid to reduce Russia's budget deficit. As part of the program, Russia wants to reschedule about $7 billion in payments owed since the Soviet era to banks and governments and due next year. The International Monetary Fund (IMF) suspended payments on a $22.6 billion loan package it negotiated after Russia defaulted on 281 billion rubles ($13.4 billion) of domestic debt in mid-August. Russia also defaulted on some of its Soviet-era debt to sovereign creditors, missing an interest payment on 751.5 million deutsche marks ($449.8 million) due to Germany in August. It paid only 48.5 million marks of the 800 million marks due in interest payments on loans from government creditors due Aug. 20. But payments to sovereign creditors, said to total $5.4 billion next year, can only be restructured after the IMF approves a loan program for Russia. IMF officials have said they plan to return to Moscow in January to examine Russia's state budget. The budget is currently being debated in Russian parliament. -- Copyright 1998 by United Press International. All rights reserved. -- Copyright 1998 by United Press International DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Drug dealer's prison death raises storm in Turkey
Drug dealer's prison death raises storm in Turkey ISTANBUL, Dec 29 (AFP) - The mysterious suicide of a drug trafficker who had accused the police of links to organised crime sparked a storm of questions in the Turkish press on Tuesday. An official inquiry into the death of Huseyin Uzun, found hanged on Saturday in the toilets at the Organised Crime Bureau in Istanbul, ruled on Monday that the jailed drugs trafficker had committed suicide. Huseyin gave himself up to police last week and the press said he had made a lengthy confession accusing high-ranking Istanbul police officials of taking bribes from drugs barons. His accusations focused on the former chief of the anti-drugs squad =46erruh Tankus, who was sacked from his post last week. Tankus, who was demoted to the rank of local police station chief, accused his superiors of taking four million dollars in bribes from mafia bosses in return for his dismissal after his crackdown on the drugs trade. Uzun's lawyer disputed the suicide verdict, arguing that his 180- centimetres (six foot) tall client could not have hanged himself in the alleged space, which was only 150 centimetres (five feet) high. He said: "A suicide should look like a suicide." The Turkish press asked Tuesday whether Uzun had been silenced by the men he had accused or by his police questioners. The press also mooted the idea that he had been killed by the mafia. The popular daily Sabah said: "Scandals which can overthrow a government in a civilised country are accepted in our country as ordinary events." The government of outgoing premier Mesut Yilmaz collapsed last month amid allegations of the premier's links with organised crime. _ * The Activist * http://users.westnet.gr/~cgian =20 This is not about the world that we inherited from our forefathers, It is about the world we have borrowed from our children !! _ __ To unsubscribe, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start Your Own FREE Email List at http://www.listbot.com/ Activist Mailing List - http://users.westnet.gr/~cgian/ Drug dealer's prison death raises storm in Turkey ISTANBUL, Dec 29 (AFP) - The mysterious suicide of a drug trafficker who had accused the police of links to organised crime sparked a storm of questions in the Turkish press on Tuesday. An official inquiry into the death of Huseyin Uzun, found hanged on Saturday in the toilets at the Organised Crime Bureau in Istanbul, ruled on Monday that the jailed drugs trafficker had committed suicide. Huseyin gave himself up to police last week and the press said he had made a lengthy confession accusing high-ranking Istanbul police officials of taking bribes from drugs barons. His accusations focused on the former chief of the anti-drugs squad =46erruh Tankus, who was sacked from his post last week. Tankus, who was demoted to the rank of local police station chief, accused his superiors of taking four million dollars in bribes from mafia bosses in return for his dismissal after his crackdown on the drugs trade. Uzun's lawyer disputed the suicide verdict, arguing that his 180- centimetres (six foot) tall client could not have hanged himself in the alleged space, which was only 150 centimetres (five feet) high. He said: "A suicide should look like a suicide." The Turkish press asked Tuesday whether Uzun had been silenced by the men he had accused or by his police questioners. The press also mooted the idea that he had been killed by the mafia. The popular daily Sabah said: "Scandals which can overthrow a government in a civilised country are accepted in our country as ordinary events." The government of outgoing premier Mesut Yilmaz collapsed last month amid allegations of the premier's links with organised crime. _ * The Activist * http://users.westnet.gr/~cgian =20 This is not about the world that we inherited from our forefathers, It is about the world we have borrowed from our children !! _ __ To unsubscribe, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start Your Own FREE Email List at http://www.listbot.com/ __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [CTRL] What Koestler actually said
-Caveat Lector- The Thirteenth Tribe, Appendix 4: SOME IMPLICATIONS -ISRAEL AND THE DIASPORA While this book deals with past history, it unavoidably carries certain implications for the present and future. In the first place, I am aware of the danger that it may be maliciously misinterpreted as a denial of the State of Israel's right to exist. But that right is not based on the hypothetical origins of the Jewish people, nor on the mythological covenant of Abraham with God; it is based on international law -i.e., on the United Nations' decision in 1947 to partition Palestine, once a Turkish province, then a British Mandated Territory, into an Arab and a Jewish State. Whatever the Israeli citizens' racial origins, and whatever illusions they entertain about them, their State exists dejure and defacto, and cannot be undone, except by genocide. Without entering into controversial issues, one may add, as a matter of historical fact, that the partition of Palestine was the result of a century of peaceful Jewish immigration and pioneering effort, which provide the ethical justification for the State's legal existence. Whether the chromosomes of its people contain genes of Khazar or Semitic, Roman or Spanish origin, is irrelevant, and cannot affect Israel's right to exist-nor the moral obligation of any civilized person, Gentile or Jew, to defend that right. Even the geographical origin of the native Israeli's parents or grandparents tends to be forgotten in the bubbling racial melting pot. The problem of the Khazar infusion a thousand years ago, however fascinating, is irrelevant to modern Israel. The Jews who inhabit it, regardless of their chequered origins, possess the essential requirements of a nation: a country of their own, a common language, government and army. The Jews of the Diaspora have none of these requirements of nationhood. What sets them apart as a special category from the Gentiles amidst whom they live is their declared religion, whether they practise it or not. Here lies the basic difference between Israelis and Jews of the Diaspora. The former have acquired a national identity; the latter are labelled as Jews only by their religion - not by their nationality, not by their race. This, however, creates a tragic paradox, because the Jewish religion - unlike Christianity, Buddhism or Islam - implies membership of a historical nation, a chosen race. All Jewish festivals commemorate events in national history: the exodus from Egypt, the Maccabean revolt, the death of the oppressor Haman, the destruction of the Temple. The Old Testament is first and foremost the narrative of a nation's history; it gave monotheism to the world, yet its credo is tribal rather than universal. Every prayer and ritual observance proclaims membership of an ancient race, which automatically separates the Jew from the racial and historic past of the people in whose midst he lives. The Jewish faith, as shown by 2ooo years of tragic history, is nation- ally and socially self-segregating. It sets the Jew apart and invites his being set apart. It automatically creates physical and cultural ghettoes. It transformed the Jews of the Diaspora into a pseudo- nation without any of the attributes and privileges of nationhood, held together loosely by a system of traditional beliefs based on racial and historical premisses which turn out to be illusory. Orthodox jewry is a vanishing minority. Its stronghold was Eastern Europe where the Nazi fury reached its peak and wiped them almost completely off the face of the earth. Its scattered survivors in the Western world no longer carry much influence, while the bulk of the orthodox communities of North Africa, the Yemen, Syria and Iraq emigrated to Israel. Thus orthodox Judaism in the Diaspora is dying out, and it is the vast majority of enlightened or agnostic Jews who perpetuate the paradox by loyally clinging to their pseudo-national status in the belief that it is their duty to preserve the Jewish tradition. It is, however, not easy to define what the term 'Jewish tradition' signifies in the eyes of this enlightened majority, who reject the Chosen-Race doctrine of orthodoxy. That doctrine apart, the universal messages of the Old Testament - the enthrone- ment of the one and invisible God, the Ten Commandments, the ethos of the Hebrew prophets, the Proverbs and Psalms - have entered into the mainstream of the judeo-Helenic-Christian tradition and become the common property ofjew and Gentile alike. After the destruction of Jerusalem, the Jews ceased to have a language and secular culture of their own. Hebrew as a vernacular yielded to Aramaic before the beginning of the Christian era; the Jewish scholars and poets in Spain wrote in Arabic, others later in German, Polish, Russian,
[CTRL] Iraq Fiasco
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://leb.net/IAC/main.html"Iraq Action Coalition -- http://leb.net/IAC//A A HREF="http://www.columbia.edu/cu/msa/nycmsa/resources/doc/who.txt" http://www.columbia.edu/cu/msa/nycmsa/resources/doc/who.txt/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] No longer in services
-Caveat Lector- Caveat Lector. Take shepard@threelefties off CTR list. Thank you Bill Burke Bill Burke wrote: -Caveat Lector- Thanks for the information that you supply. I am living the inet for a while and no longer need for you information CTRL. Bill Burke DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] ENEMY OF THE STATE]
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/19/98 8:48:00 PM, Kenn wrote: Also, three Brits and a New Zealander were recently beheaded in barabric Chechnya who were videotaped before their deaths confessing they were there for the purpose of setting up an ECEHELON satellite aerial. For more info, go to: Interesting -- there were some reports in 1996 that the NSA assisted the Russian military in targeting Chechnyan resistance leader Dudayev by homing in on his cell phone signal, and utterly bombarding the whole area with rockets, killing him and everything near him. I can understand why the Chechnyans would be a little unpleased to see an ECHELON aerial go up... IIRC, that report was definitely confirmed by Russian sources. The Russians could have taken out only Dudayev--the NSA had that precise a triangulation on his signal--but they went in with their usual chainsaw approach and flattened everything and everyone. This should draw a very interesting lesson for all conspirators--use landlines for your communications wherever possible; don't use cell phones or portable phones. (Personal experience: my wife is a volunteer counselor for our local domestic violence hotline, and takes calls at home forwarded from an answering service. One evening I was watching *X-Files* on the TV in our bedroom while she was using the portable phone in the living room. On the TV, Scully was talking on the phone, and it took me a couple of minutes to realize that the soundtrack was *not* Scully...it was my wife talking to her client! Since that incident, she is *very* careful to use only the wired phones to take hotline calls, and has warned other counselors to do the same. I've also picked up cell phone conversations on my TV, usually from passing cars. Cell phones and mobile phones are, after all, essentially radio transcievers...) Bob = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Polls
-Caveat Lector- Good job Jim. You've taken the time to research the subject and your conclusions verify what many others are saying, which is, that these Clinton polls showing him to be very popular are nonsense. After having read "Votescam" by the Collier brothers (both are now dead) I'm in agreement with you that the voting system in this country is totally compromised. What do you think of the book? Gavin. Hey, Jerry! Polling is a "discipline"??? A discipline in high risk, high stakes deception maybe -- when practised by the Big 5 TV networks (FOX now aboard in that elite group). Also, your assertion that "the American people" "elected" Clinton twice is merely an act of faith on your part, as it has been made illegal in every state but New Hampshire to exersize citizen checks and balances on the computerized vote count. That's right, just like in tin horn dictatorships, or Communist countries, any American citizen who tries to double check the vote at the neighborhood precinct will be met with police power and eventually arrested if they insist. First to polling: Who are these polling "practitioners" who know the "ins and outs"?? Please read SuperPollsters: How They Measure and Manipulate Public Opinion in America by David W. Moore, who himself has been a pollster for 26 years. The book is endorsed by David Broder of the Washington Post, so it can hardly be dismissed by people like yourself, who believe that the polls are "scientific." Here is a sentence from the concluding paragraphs of the book: "There is still a tendency for media polls to create the illusion of public opinion, by asking forced-choice questions on some topics that are unfamiliar to most people. And public opinion about most topics is not as fully explored as it was for the Persian Gulf War, often resulting in misleading conclusions about its stability and precision." end of quote. And then the concluding sentence ends with, " . . . polling can, indeed, provide a continuous monitoring of the elusive pulse of democracy. More or less." This is the polling industry speaking. I charge without doubt that the polling by the 5 Big TV networks on Clinton is weighted and dishonest. Who are they polling? Exactly how is the poll conducted? It's permissable to question and scrutinize ANYTHING in the election process EXCEPT 1) How polls are done and who is polled; 2) how the votes are "counted" by the computer programs (I have yet to talk to one county official who signs election results as "true" who can even name the person who programmed the computer which counted the votes!!!) and yet, we are supposed to run our entire country based on these daily polls, and the computerized vote counting, -- and also on that complete hoax known as "exit polling" The ENTIRE argument of the sorry rabble of Clintonistes on the talk shows is -- THE POLLS and the COMPUTERIZED VOTE COUNTS of the last two Presidential elections. What a gullible nation we have become. I'm sorry to have to refer to my own website, but www.networkamerica.org contains much much more information on the unverifiable and riggable nature of exit polls and computerized voting, as well as numerous referrals to experts and articles (some in the establishment press) which back up the position I have stated above. I list 4 or 5 of them below for those who won't have time to do further research. Furthermore: Howard Phillips of Conservative Caucus published that his wife was called for a poll on Clinton, -- but the pollsters exited the phone call after she answered to one of the "lead in" questions/comments by stating that she was not "the lady head of the house", but her husband was head of the house. A caller on WLW radio (50,000 watt clear channel voice, Cincinnati, Ohio) on Saturday morning December 26 relayed that his sister in Georgia was called for a poll about Clinton, but hung up on when she said she had not voted for Clinton. These are anecdotal, but one would be stretching to dismiss them out of hand. Is any rational person supposed to believe that while 60% of the voting public voted against Clinton, that 70% now support him even after he's shown to be an adulterer, liar, perjurer . . .? Right. WHO ARE THE BIG MEDIA-paid POLLSTERS POLLING? The Big Media really blew its cover when it published on the day after the first wave of recent Iraq bombings -- that 70% of the people thought there was no connection between the imminent impeachment vote and the sudden Iraq bombings Right. Who in hades are these big media-paid pollsters polling? And, you are on a conspiracy research list, and you're putting out the bunk that Clinton is the one responsible for the economy? He's giving the Alan Greenspan crowd, The Ruling Elite, what they want, and Greenspan keeps the interest rates down. Also, the economy is only great for the Vultures on Wall Street, the average working man is groaning under
Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] Fwd: **Press statement** `Special Naval Security Task]
-Caveat Lector- Agent Smiley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip `SPECIAL NAVAL SECURITY TASK FORCE' ANNOUNCED FOR NIGER DELTA MOSOP has joined other Niger Delta community groups in expressing its deep concern over the announced formation of a Naval Special Security Task Force to police the Delta. According to a Nigerian Television Authority (NTA) report on December 25th, the Nigerian military authorities are creating the Task Force to `protect oil installations against vandalisation'. This announcement was credited to the Chief of Naval Staff, Rear Admiral Jubril Anyinah during a courtesy call on the Military Administrator of Rivers State, Group Captain Sam Ewang. Delta communities are interpreting the formation of the Task Force as an ominous sign that the military authorities are consolidating their political control over oil producing areas - and the country's main source of income - in preparation for a shift of power to civilian administration in 1999. snip == It appears that the Nigerian military are responding to orders from their colonial masters. -- Bob Shell Expects Peaceful End to Nigeria Ultimatum Reuters 29-DEC-98 LAGOS, Dec 29 (Reuters) - Royal/Dutch Shell's Nigerian oil-producing unit said on Tuesday it was working towards a peaceful end to an ultimatum on oil multinationals to leave Ijaw areas in the main oil region. Ethnic Ijaw youth groups scattered across Nigeria's oil delta issued a joint ultimatum early this month on oil firms to leave their land by December 30 or face unspecified action, alleging pollution of land and deprivation of oil wealth. "We're in dialogue with their representatives. All parties are reasonable and we expect a peaceful end," a Shell company spokesman told Reuters. Ijaw National Congress (INC), the umbrella body for various Ijaw interest groups, on Tuesday dissociated itself from the ultimatum by the youths. "We believe that our problems with the federal government can be solved through dialogue," Edwin Clark, spokesman of the INC said in a statement in the southern oil town of Warri. The statement said the decision to ask oil majors to leave "was never tabled before the highest decision making body of the Ijaw nation" and could not be binding on all Ijaws. An upsurge of violence by armed militants, including sabotage and seizure of oil installations, have affected Nigeria's oil output in recent months. Shell, which pumps about half of the nation's output of some two million barrels per day (bpd) from mainly onshore facilities, has been most vulnerable to the disruptions. The ultimatum to oil companies comes at a critical time for Nigeria, Africa's most populous country of 108 million as it grapples with severe economic problems while military ruler General Abdulsalami Abubakar prepares to step down for elected civilians in May. The military authorities have so far not taken any action against the armed Ijaw militants, possibly because of the fear of adverse publicity by the oil multinationals. Shell is the biggest foreign oil operator in Nigeria. Other companies include U.S.-based Mobil Corp, Chevron, Texaco Inc, Italy's Agip and France's Elf Aquitaine. Copyright 1998 Reuters Limited.All rights reserved. = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To
Re: [CTRL] nurev learning about birth control pills
-Caveat Lector- Perhaps, nurev, you're too young to remember how many times in the last 40 years the predators at Planned Parenthood have come on with their mock-teary act about how women who used such and such a birth control pill should get themselves medically checked; there have been MANY deaths from birth prevention (anti-baby) pills, which are also anti-woman --- and which have led to untold unhappiness as every woman who's man demands she use birth control has the realization at some level that she is being used a sex vessel rather than treated as a person. Information on this subject can be obtained from American Life League in, I believe, Vienna, Va. May I recommend some research to back up your invective? Jim Condit Jr. On Tuesday, December 29, 1998 9:15 PM, nurev [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Are you telling us you are against birth control pills, too? Absolutely. Better to call them birth prevention pills, or anti-baby pills. They do tremendous harm to women, too. This is where the many Protestant religions bit the dust (again) in following the demonic Margaret Sanger, while the Roman Catholic Church has been consistent and held firm. They don't do tremendous harm to women at all. You do tremendous harm to women by spreading primitive unscientific superstitious bullshit. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Apology to Zaharis
-Caveat Lector- Oh, dear! I didn't realize Zaharis was one of our fellow contributors when I said "he was an idiot" on the point of a man's responsibility beginning at birth to the unborn child and the woman. The way Lee quoted him I thought Zaharis was some kind of Cultural Icon like Hugh Hefner that I just hadn't heard about yet, in the case of cultural icons of the left, I feel free to use such invective, just as the left uses such against Joseph McCarthy. However, as Zaharis is a fellow contributer, I want to amend my comment to just say that "he (or she) is as wrong as he can be" on that point. Sorry for the name-calling! Jim Condit Jr. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] nurev learning about birth control pills
-Caveat Lector- Huh? Most of the women I know who are on the pill have chosen to be on it, not because their 'man' has demanded it.. They see it as a personal choice that allows them to decide what happens to their bodies. I admit that there are risks involved n the pill.. the first generation of the pill used mega-doses of hormones that are not especially safe and the third generation pills have not yet been adequately tested, but all in all I think that it is a woman's choice, with full knowledge of the dangers.. and none of the men I know have ever 'demanded' it from anyone.. Maybe you should find a new group of people. -Original Message- From: Jim Condit Jr. [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 1998 1:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: [CTRL] nurev learning about birth control pills [snip] every woman who's man demands she use birth control has the realization at some level that she is being used a sex vessel rather than treated as a person. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] CHRISTMAS WISHES
-Caveat Lector- I've also seen shows pointing it out as a hoax.. It may or may not be true, but there is still a 'leap of faith' on whether or not you want to believe in it. -Original Message- From: E Mael [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 1998 2:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: [CTRL] CHRISTMAS WISHES -Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: It boils down to the fact that ANY religion is a 'leap of faith'...and one wastes one's time by trying to argue 'objective scientific facts' on such a subject... June you have not seen the film about the ark on mount ararat. it is there. any more leaps of faith, june? it was archeological smilin' ever so sweetly chris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: Nolympics list and update
-Caveat Lector- AER The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without charge or profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this type of information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. -- : From: S. Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] : To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Subject: Nolympics list and update : Date: Wednesday, December 30, 1998 1:12 AM : : PLEASE DISTRIBUTE AND REPOST WIDELY : : Hi all! : : At long last, the Nolympics mail list is up and ready for business. (Thanks to the folks at aros.net for their invaluable assistance in getting the list functioning properly!) : : The goal of the Nolympics list is to facilitate the efforts of all people working to end gun control at the Olympics. The list is a two-way list which means that you are encouraged to post your own thoughts, ideas, suggestions, questions, and to help others who have questions or problems. If we're going to succeed, it needs to be a group effort! : : Please keep posts as brief as possible, stay "on topic", and refrain from posting unnecessary messages. Doing so will keep the volume of mail down so that people don't get overwhelmed and can stay focused. : : This is NOT a list for debate about the Second Amendment or the merits of gun control. There are plenty of other lists for that. This list is for people who choose to work on the "Gun Control and Olympics" problem. : : The list owner (me) reserves the right to remove subscribers who persist in violating the list rules after adequate notice of violation has been given. : : To subscribe to the Nolympics list, send a message to: : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : In the body of the message put: : subscribe nolympics : : You will then get further instructions and full information by return mail. You can unsubscribe at any time, so consider joining us! (Expect some minor delays, since I'm sure there are some bugs I haven't found yet!) : : If you have your own web page, _please_ consider linking to the Nolympics site - http://www.therighter.com/column/Olympics.html. : : In other news, it has now come to light that the Salt Lake Olympics bid committee spent $10,000 on - you guessed it! - FIREARMS which were given to various International Olympic Committee members prior to Salt Lake City being named as the site for the 2002 Olympics. : : Whether these very expensive rifles and shotguns were "gifts" or "bribes" will ultimately be decided by those investigating alleged bribery by the Olympic bid committee, but half of them were "billed after the IOC enacted rules that barred its members from receiving gifts worth more than $50 initially and later $150". And whether the recipients of these firearms are even allowed to possess them in their own countries is unknown, since the list of recipients hasn't been released. : : The rifles and shotguns were manufactured by Utah's famed Browning firearms. : : You can read the story at: http://www.sltrib.com/1998/dec/12191998/utah/68433.htm : : Now, it's shameful enough that there are allegations of bribery surrounding the Salt Lake City Olympics. It's even worse when that alleged bribery involves "gifts" of firearms to officials who are actively working to subvert the right of Americans to keep and bear arms. Apparently these officials believe that wealthy, elitist Olympics officials have the right to firearms, but ordinary American citizens, even those who have been subjected to a rigorous background check, do not "deserve" that same right. : : But it's even worse... Those of you who have ever purchased a firearm are no doubt familiar with the BATF's Form 4473 (a permanent record of all firearms transfers which the BATF somehow maintains is _not_ gun registration), without which one cannot purchase a firearm from a manufacturer, dealer or Federal Firearms Licensee. : : Question 9a asks: "Are you the actual buyer of the firearm listed on this form? If you answer 'no' to this question, the dealer cannot transfer the firearm to you." I've been told that this question is intended to prevent a person from buying firearms and transferring them to people who may not legally purchase them. Yet it appears that the SL Olympics bid committee folks not only purchased firearms not intended for their own personal use, they transferred them to persons not legally permitted to purchase them! : : Were the IOC officials who received the firearms eligible to purchase them? Probably not. The BATF has this to say on the subject: : : "An alien who is legally in the United States will be considered to be a resident of a State for the purpose of complying with the GCA if he has resided in that State continuously for at least 90 days before purchasing a firearm. Note, however, that even a legal resident alien
[CTRL] Impeachment Blue Print
-Caveat Lector- From Wash Post Lott Maps Impeachment Blueprint By Larry Margasak Associated Press Writer Wednesday, December 30, 1998; 11:45 a.m. EST WASHINGTON (AP) -- House prosecutors say they want to call witnesses at President Clinton's impeachment trial, which could begin Jan. 7 under a blueprint that Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott proposed to Democrats. The all-Republican prosecution team, holding its first strategy session Tuesday, did not decide who might be summoned to testify before the Senate, several of its members said. The House now must await a Senate timetable and a decision on whether witnesses will be permitted. In interviews with The Associated Press, neither Lott nor Senate Democratic leader Tom Daschle endorsed the plan of the 13-member prosecution team to call witnesses. Lott said he believed a trial could be held without witnesses. ``Are witnesses required? I don't think so,'' he told the AP. Senators from both parties have said they wanted to avoid a trial longer than several weeks, and it was unclear whether a decision to allow witnesses would make a quick trial impossible. Sen. Mike DeWine, R-Ohio, said today that censuring Clinton would weaken the presidency. If a Senate trial was short-circuited by censure, the president's defenders would view the House impeachment vote as ``a naked exercise of partisan political power,'' but would never have a chance to win acquittal for Clinton, DeWine said. ``And those who wish to remove the president will forever be denied the opportunity to be heard by the Senate. ``Denied the closure of a trial, I fear that censure would not end the civic ugliness in which we are currently mired,'' he said. Lott has begun addressing a timetable, said a Senate Democratic leadership source, speaking on condition of anonymity. Lott told Daschle that the trial could get its ceremonial start on Jan. 7, with senators getting sworn in as jurors by Chief Justice William Rehnquist, the source said. The trial could begin in earnest Jan. 11, under Lott's plan. The source said Daschle, D-S.D., has not agreed to the dates and neither has the White House. But the proposal shows that the Senate is prepared to move fast to try Clinton on two articles of impeachment -- accusing him of grand jury perjury and obstruction of justice in attempting to conceal an extramarital affair with former White House intern Monica Lewinsky. Rep. Bill McCollum, R-Fla., a senior member of the team of so-called managers, said a consensus emerged on calling witnesses without any formal votes in Tuesday's closed-door session. ``There was no show of hands. But I am anticipating, based on everything we've discussed in there today, that there would be witnesses, we would present witnesses. I don't think there's any question about that,'' he told reporters. Although no one was discussing names publicly, potential witnesses conceivably could include Ms. Lewinsky, presidential secretary Betty Currie and presidential friend Vernon Jordan. Lott said he wants senators to vote on removing Clinton from office before seriously considering censure as an alternative. ``I would prefer that there would be a vote on the articles of impeachment,'' he said. Daschle said the question about witnesses hadn't been resolved. ``It's fair to say that Senator Lott and I are both comfortable with proceeding without witnesses,'' he said, adding that it was a matter that would have to be discussed in party caucuses. He also said he has asked some senators to draft censure resolutions. ``There are a lot of different wordings. There are a lot of different scenarios,'' he said. At the White House, advisers were encouraged by the extensive talk of censure among senators. Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, said a censure would be ``a powerful tool'' against Clinton. Speaking at a business seminar in Seatac, Wash., Hatch said Monday that censure was ``the only option left'' because two-thirds of the Senate would not vote to convict Clinton and remove him from office. One adviser to the White House, who spoke only on condition of anonymity, said Clinton's defense team would like the chance to ``dissect the evidence'' in an opening presentation. The adviser said some in the White House were interested in seeing how many senators might vote in favor of recessing the trial, if such a motion was made early on. ``If there are 38 votes or 40 votes, that might send a signal that there can't be a conviction and add pressure to accept censure,'' said the adviser, describing one scenario that has been discussed. Only 34 of the 100 senators are needed to assure Clinton's acquittal. There will be 45 Democratic senators and 55 Republicans in the new Congress. The House team has several formal prosecutors who said their professional experience told them that witnesses were needed -- especially in areas where Clinton's defense team contests the documentary evidence. ``I personally, as a
[CTRL] Euro(n) the Way
-Caveat Lector- From Int'l Herald Tribune Paris, Monday, December 28, 1998 As Europe Aligns Its Currencies, Disunity Persists in Pricing COUNTDOWN TO THE EURO By Edmund L. Andrews New York Times Service KRONBERG, Germany - Klaus Gossens built his career by thinking more like a European than a German. As head of European trade management at Braun AG, he has nurtured one of the best-known European brand names for such household gadgets as coffeemakers, spice-grinders and electric shavers. So, as much of Europe takes a huge step toward unity by introducing a single currency, the euro, why is Mr. Gossens worried? His problem is pricing. A Braun Flex Integral shaver sells for about $90 in Spain, $103 in the Netherlands, $118 in Germany and $124 in France. There are similar variations for countless other products, from Chanel perfume to Volkswagen sedans to Levi's jeans to Bayer aspirin. And French or German consumers are not the only ones who pay more. Europe's biggest retailers themselves often pay their suppliers different prices in different countries. ''Until now, buyers tolerated those differences,'' Mr. Gossens said at Braun's headquarters in Kronberg, north of Frankfurt. ''But they aren't tolerating them anymore. We are entering a situation where everything is very transparent. If I am a buyer and I don't get satisfactory answers about prices, I'll go off to another company.'' That may sound like Economics 101, but until recently Europeans have been fighting it. Though the European Union abolished most trade barriers among member countries several years ago, European retail markets remain stubbornly balkanized. Now, as 11 countries prepare to start using the euro as their common currency Friday, the crazy-quilt system has become a battleground. The euro should theoretically make it much easier to compare prices and to pounce on discrepancies. It is also likely to give a new lift to cross-border transactions within Europe, because it will eliminate exchange-rate fluctuations and the cost of hedging against them. Though the new bills and coins will not begin circulating until 2002, the euro is already quite real. The participating countries - Germany, France, Italy, Belgium, the Netherlands, Luxembourg, Austria, Spain, Portugal, Ireland and Finland - will permanently lock their exchange rates to the euro on New Year's Eve and surrender control over monetary policy to the new European Central Bank. Some stores already are posting prices in euros and plan to start dealing in euros on credit-card purchases as early as next week. Banks are required to let their customers keep their accounts in euros or the local currency, and all interbank transfers will be cleared in euros. Companies such as DaimlerChrysler AG and Siemens AG are converting their books and prodding suppliers to deal in euros as quickly as possible. Big retailers such as Carrefour SA in France and Metro AG in Germany are beefing up their computer systems to catch suppliers' pricing discrepancies. Car companies are grudgingly bringing prices into closer alignment from country to country. Computer manufacturers, generating more sales through the borderless Internet, are doing the same. Still, those who expect Adam Smith's invisible hand to swiftly eliminate price differences are likely to be disappointed. European prices are rooted in big social and institutional differences that companies have learned to respect. Consumer buying power, for example, is much weaker in Spain and Portugal, where personal incomes are about 25 percent lower than the European average. Aspirin is more expensive in Germany in part because laws aimed at protecting small pharmacies prohibit supermarkets from selling it. Groceries are expensive in Paris; the city has prohibited high-volume hypermarkets within its boundaries. Sales taxes and luxury taxes also vary. ''I think the euro will bring lower prices over all but that the price differences will be more or less the ones we have right now,'' said Stephane Douchy, a market analyst at Test-Achats, a consumer research association based in Brussels. With the euro, ''there will be greater price transparency,'' added Harald Muenzberg, a retail industry expert at Gemini Consulting in Bad Homburg, Germany. Still, he said, it will remain ''relatively difficult'' to figure out prices. ''There are many different prices for many different products,'' he added. ''There are discounts, advertising allowances, rebates. All of that leads to different pricing.'' For people such as Mr. Gossens of Braun, which is owned by Gillette Corp., it adds up to big struggles ahead. ''Our customers are coming to us and saying, 'We want to pay the lowest prices possible,''' he said. ''But what is that?'' The customers Mr. Gossens has in mind are people such as Vincent de Meaux, who
[CTRL] Impeachment Resources
-Caveat Lector- At http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/impeach.htm one can read all about impeachment The Internet carries only a limited amount of reputable information on impeachment and censure. For those interested in developing a better understanding of these processes, JURIST: The Law Professors' Network recommends resources in the following categories: Impeachment Primers: guides for the perplexed Constitutional and Statutory Provisions on Impeachment: black-letter law Impeachments in History: including Andrew Johnson and Watergate Impeachment Procedures: Senate trial, general process Cases on Impeachment: from the Supreme Court of the United States Censure: selections from Censure: A JURIST Mini-Guide Clinton Controversy: the present crisis Academic Opinion: what law professors are saying Public Opinion: polls + your comments; contact your member of Congress Further Reading: recommended books and articles AER The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without charge or profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this type of information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] United States of Urantia
-Caveat Lector- Kind of reminds you of the horse hockey that the bible spews out or what the believers say that you should believe in any way. The same kind of research done there brings up the same questions of believability. Many so called facts are just that, so called. Much of what is written in the bible occured many years after the death of Jesus [new testement I mean] . Fact, folklore, embellished ideas to fit a certain groups core beliefs, background, socialization, or opinions. Some say the bible is inspired writings, I`m sure it is. But directly from god? That`s open to interpretation of the reader. The old testement is a wonderful series of stories of a certain people`s history. I would certainly bet that handyman has never even flipped through the Urantia book. much less read it. This book is open to a person`s own interpretations and beliefs but you must first it read before you can interpret or judge it. It won`t bite you. Some people think that the Urantia book is for forward looking individuals, a college course if you will, and that the bible was just a warm up, a primer. You should read and judge things for youself . Who knows,maybe there is something to learn here.And what`s wrong with learning something even something new? Dave DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] nurev learning about birth control pills
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/30/98 7:46:04 PM, you wrote: Huh? Most of the women I know who are on the pill have chosen to be on it, not because their 'man' has demanded it.. They see it as a personal choice that allows them to decide what happens to their bodies. I admit that there are risks involved n the pill.. True, most women CHOOSE to take the pill, but it's only because no other safe, equally effective method has been developed, 100% for lack of trying. Methinks medical science could come up with a better way to control fertility, what with all their fantastic god-like technology. And most of the women I've spoken to on the issue begrudge the fact that better methods haven't been developed. There's a conspiracy for you. With 80,000 women being diagnosed with breast cancer every year, you've gotta look hard at something like this... --Charles DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- On Wed, 30 Dec 1998, Jim Kinney wrote: Huh? Most of the women I know who are on the pill have chosen to be on it, not because their 'man' has demanded it.. They see it as a personal choice that allows them to decide what happens to their bodies. I wonder what he has to say about those women who voluntarily choose to have their tubes tied as a method of permanent birthcontrol... June === Ring out the old, ring in the new, Ring happy bells, across the snow; The year is going, let him go; Ring out the false, ring in the true. -- Tennyson: In Memoriam === *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- S O M E T H I N G S T R A N G E I S H A P P E N I N G 12/30/98 Quotes of the Year In an extended year-end quote collection, this edition of the ParaScope Dispatch offers a tiny sampling of how some of the TV's most highly paid psychics (often called "political commentators") were less accurate than a Magic 8-Ball during 1998. "If he's not telling the truth...his presidency is numbered in days. This thing is not going to drag outIf he's not telling the trutch and the evidence shows that, [he] will resign, perhaps this week." --Longtime critic of wasteful federal spending and recipient of government subsidies for his New Mexico ranch, ABC's Sam Donaldson on President Bill Clinton's future, Jan. 25, 1998 --- "There is, ladies and gentlemen, absolutely no possibility that a so-called 'semen-stained dress' exists." --Former Ku Klux Klan chair-catcher and discoverer of Al Capone's empty vault, now CNBC's not-ready-for-NBC-primetime gabmeister Geraldo Rivera, a self- admitted "friend" and Clinton-booster, July 8, 1998. --- "There will be no impeachment hearings before January 1999." --Bombastic prognosticator and General Electric (owner of NBC) corporate lapdog, John "WRONG!" McLaughlin, July 31, 1998. --- "It's going to be Custer's Last Stand for the Democrats in November. They will be absolutely obliterated." Former Clinton pollster, political advisor and prostitute aficionado turned TV whore and political commentator Dick Morris, Sept. 14, 1998. --- Rant of the Week: Just Do It Every week we pick the wackiest, scariest, nastiest or funniest rant from the hundreds of letters received by us here at ParaScope headquarters, and present it to you as our Rant of the Week. This week, Pogel points out that actions speak louder than words, as evidenced by Hitler, the Jews, and the grass, or the roots, or the grassroots. Or something like that. Enjoy. "Hallo ! people been writing for 2,000 years,not many did something about it. the last one was HITLER and look what the goveernments did. all because they were under jewish control,so they commited all the crimes. working for jews ,they brought genocite to the german people and the decline of the west,and we are so stupit and pay for it. if the upper classes are not willing to do anything,then who will??? the grass root?they dont have any leader ship. so stop writing and do it over throw the government,that is the only way. good luck." -- All rants are printed as is, with spelling and grammar goofs left uncorrected. Some rants may be edited for brevity or clarity, to the extent such a thing is possible. If youve got a rant youd like to share, send it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with possible rant in the subject line of your letter. -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Coming Up This Week! Catch a number of great stories this week on the ParaScope web and AOL sites, including daily updates to our Conspiracy Newsline and Daily Dose features. Among the articles you'll want to check out: Fortean Slips: "Deep Space Slips" Special Edition! Outer Space Underwear Overload: The greatest danger facing astronauts isn't G- forces or malfunctioning oxygen tanks -- it's their dirty underwear. In the Oily Days of Evolution: What does the geological origin of petroleum have to do with the biological origin of life on Earth? And is it possible that oil will prove that extraterrestrial life exists? Stonehenge's Asteroid Defense Initiative: An astronomer claims to have discovered the true purpose of Stonehenge -- to serve as an early-warning system for asteroids and meteors on a collision course with Earth! --- Subliminal CIA? In 1958, the American public faced a frightening question: could subliminal messages be used to influence the unsuspecting? The anecdotal evidence seemed to confirm the Big Brotherish power of subliminals. Naturally, the CIA checked it out. Dossier revisits the dawn of the mind wars, with an updated special report -- complete with documentation -- that unveils the secret story of the agency's investigation of hidden persuasion. --- Kidding Gullible Believers: The Truth Behind the "KGB UFO Files" Hollywood loves sequels, so it shouldn't be surprising, after the high-ratings hoopla surrounding the Ray Santilli "alien autopsy" footage a couple of years ago, that a new UFOlogical blockbuster was recently unleashed. On September 13, cable network TNT broadcast "The Secret KGB UFO Files," a slick and entertaining program hosted by Roger Moore. And while this program featured some interesting Soviet Air Force gun camera footage, the bulk of it was spent in an excruciating examination of yet another "UFO crash/alien autopsy" farce. J. Antonio Huneeus, who was interviewed for the program, shares his authentic views of this bogus footage, and explains how his on-camera comments were edited to give the appearance that he believed the footage was real, when he in fact
[CTRL] Copyright Fair use provisions
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[CTRL] Urantia : The Great Cult Mystery
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Table of Contents
1. The Urantia Book
2. Dr. William Sadler
3. Dr. John Kellogg
4. Ellen White's Plagiarisms
5. The Living Temple
6. Wilfred Custer Kellogg
7. The Revelation Begins
8. Harold Sherman and Harry Loose
9. OAHSPE
10. Science in The Urantia Book, Part I
11. Science in The Urantia Book, Part II
12. Adventist Influence on The Urantia Book
13. Sadler and Sister White
14. Did Sadler Contribute to the Papers? Part I
15. Did Sadler Contribute to the Papers? Part II
16. Plagiarisms in The Urantia Book
17. Bitter Schisms
18. Joe Pope and the New Teachers
19. The Great Rebellion
App. A. Books by William Sadler, Sr.
App. B. Books by Harold Sherman
App. C. Sherman's Letter to Sadler
App. D. The Story of Joseph of Arimathaea
App. E. Unusual Words and Phrases that Sadler and The Urantia Book Have
in Common
App. F. Acknowledgments
Name Index
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The media has temporarily turned its large but constantly blinking eye
away from cult-of-the-day reportage after the Waco conflagration, but
such organizations continue to collect adherents. Martin Gardner, best
known as mathematical-games-meister for Scientific American, turns his
refreshingly unblinking gaze on the origin and continuing growth of the
Urantian cult, whose members believe they are receiving corrigenda to
the Bible from celestial beings. A marvellous study of the ways in which
the zaniest ideas can be propagated through society.
From Booklist , April 1, 1995
The Urantia Book is at the center of one of the more interesting
esoteric American sects in a century full to bursting with them. As
such, it was bound to attract premier debunker Gardner's attention.
Gardner begins by regrettably briefly recapitulating the book itself and
summarizing the history of the Urantians' connections with Sister Ellen
White and the Seventh-Day Adventists and other fin de sie{
}cle
religionists, and he closes with a panorama of the present state of the
Urantia movement and its reforms and schisms. But Gardner uses the core
of his text to establish, by textual analysis and other tools, Dr.
William Sadler as The Urantia Book's main, if not sole, author. Whether
he succeeds in this endeavor each reader will decide individually; his
case is certainly remarkably compelling. There are a few flaws, for the
sheer weight of facts unearthed by his research sometimes overpowers the
thread of his argument. And sometimes Gardner allows himself to wax
sarcastic at an especially egregious example of inanity. But then, who
wouldn't? Dennis Winters
Copyright© 1995, American Library Association. All rights reserved
Martin Gardner, one of America's most acclaimed science writers, has
here compiled the first complete history of a growing, modern religious
cult. Gardner traces the cult's beginnings back to its "bible," The
Urantia Book, a book supposedly revealed solely by celestial beings to
correct the flaws in the traditional Bible. Published in 1955 under the
direction of cult leader Dr. William Sadler, The Urantia Book (Urantia
is the cult's name for the earth) is the largest work ever said to have
been channeled by unseen higher beings through human contacts. It
differs from earlier channeled "bibles" in that it contains a vast
amount of modern science as well as a detailed biography of Jesus
Christ, complete with facts not found in the Gospels. As a result, many
scientists and scholars are dedicated Urantians. In addition to
discussing the beliefs of the Urantia cult, Gardner reveals two major
developments that threaten to splinter the movement. The first is a
sectarian rift that has split the movement into two major competing
factions. The second is the growing belief of hundreds of Urantians that
they, too, are receiving their own messages from the celestials, who
they claim are preparing Urantia for a new revelation intended to usher
in a utopia of
