Re: [CTRL] Falwell: Antichrist May Be MUSLIM
-Caveat Lector- The AntiChrist is a Martian-"God told me so" and that is as credible as saying that God told an asshole liar like Flawell, Graham, Imp, Hagee, Dobson or Katz, jr. anything about imminent "end times". FWP. *** [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send "Subscribe Future-Cities" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]; http://users.uniserve.com/~culturex *** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [BCPolitics] Re: The Mother of all Computer Programs.
-Caveat Lector- It is a great conspiracy against you and geeks everywhere, Dick. On Thu, 21 Jan 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 08:29 PM 1/21/99 -0800, Franklin Wayne Poley wrote: Dear Minister of Geeks, Manley: Well, Pollucky, you Shitty Immoral Bastard, you've forwarded one too many of my copyrighted writings elsewhere. You can't be trusted in a room with a potful of turds, eating anything you imagine might be good for YOU. This time I'm gone for good, Pollucky, leaving you with your mental cases, junior high dropouts, and one honest person (MJ) pointing to your Foolishness. Now that's FIVE strikes and you're out Dickless wonder that you are. I am so sad...now would you please stick your nose back up Dick's a-- where it has been mostly, MJ and LEAVE. You are even more boring and stupid than he is. FWP. PS-I hope you haven't lost that 1-800 number I gave you for the "Wayne's World" fan club! DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] American Reds Gave Away Store
-Caveat Lector- Published in Washington, D.C.Vol. 15, No. 5 -- February 8, 1999 www.insightmag.com American Reds Gave Away Store By Stephen Goode Red documents confirm members of the American Communist Party, as well as highly placed federal employees, took an active part in spying on the U.S. for the USSR. If you had asked almost any liberal American not so long ago about Soviet spies in the United States, like clockwork they would have responded with two major errors, despite considerable evidence to the contrary. First, they would have assured you that the American Communist Party -- officially called Communist Party U.S.A. -- was made up of idealistic do-gooder types who never for a moment spied for the Soviet Union or at any time offered any kind of a threat to the United States. Second, you similarly would have been assured that there were no serious Communists, or at least none of any significance, who spied for Moscow in any government agency or among the scientists involved in the Manhattan Project and at Los Alamos in the development of the atomic bomb. You would have been told that Sen. Joseph McCarthy was badly misinformed. You would have been told, too, that Alger Hiss was innocent, the victim of an ambitious congressman (Richard Nixon) and that the whole effort to uncover nonexistent Communists in Washington had been launched by conservative Republicans eager to undo the achievements of the New Deal and the liberal Roosevelt years. These widely believed errors were dealt a severe blow two decades ago when Allen Weinstein published his Perjury: The Hiss-Chambers Case, the book that definitively proved that Hiss was a Soviet agent. Support for these misconceptions further eroded when Harvey Klehr and John Earl Haynes in 1995 published The Secret World of American Communism, a collection of documents they stumbled across in the Soviet Union, followed in 1998 by a second document collection. Now comes a third source that should undermine forever (but won't) belief in the innocence of the American Communist Party and the absence of serious Soviet spies in Washington and elsewhere in America. The Haunted Wood by Weinstein and former KGB agent Alexander Vassiliev covers what the two authors call "Soviet espionage's golden age" in the United States. Those were the years between 1933, when the United States initiated diplomatic relations with the USSR, broken after the Bolshevik Revolution, and 1945, the year when American Soviet agent in Washington Elizabeth Bentley broke with her Soviet connections, named names to the FBI and threw Soviet espionage in this country into a tailspin from which it never fully recovered. Thanks to a 1993 agreement between the American publisher Random House and the Association of Retired Intelligence Officers -- an organization of former KGB agents --Weinstein and Vassiliev had access for a two-year period to KGB Stalin-era archives, access the association offered in exchange for payments from Random House. For the first time outsiders were allowed to read the reports filed from the United States by Soviet agents operative in America -- and by Americans who worked for the Soviet Union, turning over secret documents and reports to officials of a nation not technically an enemy at the time. Nonetheless, it was a foreign power and the home of a social and economic ideology deeply opposed to American ways and traditions and a country whose leaders had made very clear that they regarded the triumph of communism worldwide as an inevitability. Weinstein describes The Haunted Wood to Insight as "The Canterbury Tales of Soviet espionage because there are a lot of extraordinary stories that go well beyond what we knew before we started this book": how the Americans came to spy for the Soviet Union, for example; their personal idiosyncrasies; their sex lives; the day-to-day problems of spycraft. The authors take their title from W.S. Auden's poem, "September 1, 1939," in which the great poet described Europeans on the day when Nazi Germany launched its invasion of Poland and began World War II as "Lost in a haunted wood/Children afraid of the night/Who have never been happy or good." Weinstein calls the book "nonjudgmental history" -- it's more the kind of book that could be described as "here's what we can tell happened from their files. There's nothing shrill about it. It is the record of what went on," he says. And a whole lot did go on. Weinstein and Vassiliev write that due to the often very dedicated work of the American spies -- who were, it cannot be overemphasized, betraying their own country -- "Russian intelligence agencies received substantial and sometimes critical information (including many classified documents) concerning U.S. government policies on highly sensitive subjects, its confidential negotiating strategies and secret weapons developments, including essential processes involved in building the atomic bomb." Some of the Soviet Union's U.S.
[CTRL] TWA Flight 800: Reasonable Doubt?
-Caveat Lector- Published in Washington, D.C.Vol. 15, No. 5 -- February 8, 1999 www.insightmag.com TWA Flight 800: Reasonable Doubt? By Kelly Patricia O'Meara Insight has learned the Boeing Co., in an attempt to limit its liability, may defend itself in civil litigation with the theory that the airliner was downed by a U.S. missile. In the rough-and-tumble world of civil litigation, the almighty dollar is king. Whether in a divorce proceeding or product-liability or wrongful-death lawsuit, plaintiffs seek huge awards and defense counsels dig in to avoid or minimize the payout. So it should come as no surprise that lawyers on both sides of the multimillion-dollar lawsuit involving the destruction of TWA Flight 800 are gearing up for a knock-down-drag-out fight should the case ever go to trial. But in monitoring the behind-the-scenes negotiations between the Boeing Co. and the law firms representing families of the 230 dead from that July 17, 1996, midair explosion just east of Long Island, N.Y., Insight has uncovered a bizarre twist that shows the extent to which some defendants believe they must go to avoid huge liability judgments. According to confidential sources, Boeing is considering whether to spring a stunning legal tactic in its defense -- one that greatly is upsetting some of the families mourning the loss of loved ones. Based on interviews and secret corporate documents, Insight has discovered that if the civil case goes to trial the legal team representing the giant airplane manufacturer may invoke a missile theory to try to absolve Boeing of liability. Moreover, it has been learned, Boeing's legal team already has raised the missile claim as a tool to chip away at the resolve and ultimate financial demands of the victims' families, hoping to reduce settlements by half. "At this point, Boeing is seeking a 50 percent discount on each case because of its belief that a jury will conclude a missile downed Flight 800," declares one of the secret legal memos obtained by Insight. As a well-placed source explains: "Boeing attorneys will try to plant reasonable doubt and make a jury believe that a missile downed TWA 800." That Boeing would engage in such a ploy has shocked the families and their lawyers, most of whom have come to agree with the consensus conclusion by the FBI and the National Transportation Safety Board, or NTSB, that Flight 800 was downed by an explosion in the plane's center fuel tank caused by mechanical failure and not by a missile fired either accidentally by elements of the U.S. military, which were scheduled to conduct air/sea training exercises nearby, or by terrorists with a grudge against the United States. However, according to Insight's sources, Boeing's lawyers believe that members of any jury drawn from New York would walk into court with the preconceived notion that it could have been a missile that blew Flight 800 out of the sky. They are convinced that in the absence of proof-positive that mechanical failure was at fault, it would not take much to get a jury to consider the possibility that a missile downed the flight. Jim Walters, vice chairman of the Airline Pilots Association, or ALPA, Accident Investigation Board, finds it hard to believe Boeing could have any evidence that a missile was involved. "Boeing has signed off on -- agreed with -- all or most of the field notes during the investigation," he says, adding: "Their best defense would be that they were fully in compliance with Federal Aviation Regulations [or FARs], but this is a highly unusual event. "In nearly 700 million hours of air time," Walters explains, "only twice [in plane disasters] could they not be traced to a known ignition source. The first was a 737 that blew up in the Philippines but, because that aircraft had been modified by the operator from its original design, it shouldn't be included in the list. The only other explosion with an unknown ignition source causing the explosion of the center wing tank, or CWT, is TWA 800." But according to sources and attorneys for the families, the missile theory makes legal sense as a device to hold down the settlement. "I think they [Boeing] would try and put up a missile defense because anything else would make them liable," says Douglas Latto, an aviation attorney with Baumeister Samuels, one of the five law firms handling the claims of the victims' families. Although he says he is unaware of Boeing lawyers even considering a missile defense, he could not rule it out as a possible legal tactic and, perhaps, one already subtly raised in motions on file with the New York court. Meanwhile, the investigation is riddled with evidentiary holes -- enough, in fact, that the Senate Judiciary Committee is planning hearings this year to look into some of the problems that surrounded the $20 million federal investigation. Among the more troubling issues that have fueled a large number of conspiracy theories and may add credence to Boeing's possible
Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] Pontificating Big Spooks]
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/21/99 7:38:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But there's another factor operating in my presence on the list. It is precisely my background in intelligence and related matters that brings me here, *because I know damn well that conspiracies make the world go round. It's not one overarching Illuminati or Luciferian or Satanic or Jewish or Lutheran or any other kind of group behind the scenes; rather, it's a hodge-podge of all sorts of self-defined elites and wannabes, who claim--and maybe believe--that they really do run things... And sometimes they wind up cooperating, sometimes they compete, sometimes they just cancel each other out. And it's virtual places like CTRL that provide the best vantage points from which to observe and study these various conspiracies. I remember that years ago some friends of mine in the Catholic Resistance came up, quite accidentally, with a marvelous typo: they issued a statement in which they spelled "conspiracy" CONSPIRICY--in other words, not those who breathe together, but those who share the same Spirit. I like to think of CTRL, on good days, as a *conspiricy.* Bob Excellent comments Bob! I'm sure that Kris would like to say that the secret societies are more in charge than you would allow here, and I would agree with him at least a little ;) but there is truth in both scenarios. I for one believe that there IS an overarching group of controllers, if you will, that does indeed run the show, but they are completely hidden (at least their affiliations are, heck you may even know one of them, or be on of them for all I know). The other groups, or types you have identified are going about their own agendas thinking that they are the REAL elites, but they are subtly being manipulated by the TRUE hidden rulers. Sometimes there are competing theses, etc., but in the end the will of the true masters is always served. Too much time around for such NOT to have developed, and as for origins I look at least as far back as ancient Egypt, the priesthood which guarded all of the technology and information from the uninitiated. Thanks Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] American Reds Gave Away Store
-Caveat Lector- The USA CREATED the USSR starting with Bronstein/Trotsky from New York in 1917 setting out with his troop to take over the Red Army. The USA ran USSR as a subsidiary until ca. 1990 when it decided to put a end to this tyranny and create another. Comprende? I keep telling you the USA stands for neither PRINCIPLE (as in a principled CONSTITUTION) nor democracy. FWP. On Fri, 22 Jan 1999, Mike Moxley wrote: -Caveat Lector- Published in Washington, D.C.Vol. 15, No. 5 -- February 8, 1999 www.insightmag.com American Reds Gave Away Store By Stephen Goode Red documents confirm members of the American Communist Party, as well as highly placed federal employees, took an active part in spying on the U.S. for the USSR. If you had asked almost any liberal American not so long ago about Soviet spies in the United States, like clockwork they would have responded with two major errors, despite considerable evidence to the contrary. First, they would have assured you that the American Communist Party -- officially called Communist Party U.S.A. -- was made up of idealistic do-gooder types who never for a moment spied for the Soviet Union or at any time offered any kind of a threat to the United States. Second, you similarly would have been assured that there were no serious Communists, or at least none of any significance, who spied for Moscow in any government agency or among the scientists involved in the Manhattan Project and at Los Alamos in the development of the atomic bomb. You would have been told that Sen. Joseph McCarthy was badly misinformed. You would have been told, too, that Alger Hiss was innocent, the victim of an ambitious congressman (Richard Nixon) and that the whole effort to uncover nonexistent Communists in Washington had been launched by conservative Republicans eager to undo the achievements of the New Deal and the liberal Roosevelt years. These widely believed errors were dealt a severe blow two decades ago when Allen Weinstein published his Perjury: The Hiss-Chambers Case, the book that definitively proved that Hiss was a Soviet agent. Support for these misconceptions further eroded when Harvey Klehr and John Earl Haynes in 1995 published The Secret World of American Communism, a collection of documents they stumbled across in the Soviet Union, followed in 1998 by a second document collection. Now comes a third source that should undermine forever (but won't) belief in the innocence of the American Communist Party and the absence of serious Soviet spies in Washington and elsewhere in America. The Haunted Wood by Weinstein and former KGB agent Alexander Vassiliev covers what the two authors call "Soviet espionage's golden age" in the United States. Those were the years between 1933, when the United States initiated diplomatic relations with the USSR, broken after the Bolshevik Revolution, and 1945, the year when American Soviet agent in Washington Elizabeth Bentley broke with her Soviet connections, named names to the FBI and threw Soviet espionage in this country into a tailspin from which it never fully recovered. Thanks to a 1993 agreement between the American publisher Random House and the Association of Retired Intelligence Officers -- an organization of former KGB agents --Weinstein and Vassiliev had access for a two-year period to KGB Stalin-era archives, access the association offered in exchange for payments from Random House. For the first time outsiders were allowed to read the reports filed from the United States by Soviet agents operative in America -- and by Americans who worked for the Soviet Union, turning over secret documents and reports to officials of a nation not technically an enemy at the time. Nonetheless, it was a foreign power and the home of a social and economic ideology deeply opposed to American ways and traditions and a country whose leaders had made very clear that they regarded the triumph of communism worldwide as an inevitability. Weinstein describes The Haunted Wood to Insight as "The Canterbury Tales of Soviet espionage because there are a lot of extraordinary stories that go well beyond what we knew before we started this book": how the Americans came to spy for the Soviet Union, for example; their personal idiosyncrasies; their sex lives; the day-to-day problems of spycraft. The authors take their title from W.S. Auden's poem, "September 1, 1939," in which the great poet described Europeans on the day when Nazi Germany launched its invasion of Poland and began World War II as "Lost in a haunted wood/Children afraid of the night/Who have never been happy or good." Weinstein calls the book "nonjudgmental history" -- it's more the kind of book that could be described as "here's what we can tell happened from their files. There's nothing shrill about it. It is the record of what went on," he says. And a whole lot did go on. Weinstein and Vassiliev write that
Re: [CTRL] LJ: Re: [BCPolitics] Re: The Mother of all Computer Programs.
-Caveat Lector- What will we call the party Sherry? (The first Can-Am party of the new, improved United Provinces of Canada). Names? FWP. "To-day we do America. To-morrow we do Russia" -Beavis and Butt-Head. On Fri, 22 Jan 1999, I Wanna Be Me Again wrote: This deserves a party. Franklin Wayne Poley wrote: It is a great conspiracy against you and geeks everywhere, Dick. On Thu, 21 Jan 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 08:29 PM 1/21/99 -0800, Franklin Wayne Poley wrote: Dear Minister of Geeks, Manley: Well, Pollucky, you Shitty Immoral Bastard, you've forwarded one too many of my copyrighted writings elsewhere. You can't be trusted in a room with a potful of turds, eating anything you imagine might be good for YOU. This time I'm gone for good, Pollucky, leaving you with your mental cases, junior high dropouts, and one honest person (MJ) pointing to your Foolishness. Now that's FIVE strikes and you're out Dickless wonder that you are. I am so sad...now would you please stick your nose back up Dick's a-- where it has been mostly, MJ and LEAVE. You are even more boring and stupid than he is. FWP. PS-I hope you haven't lost that 1-800 number I gave you for the "Wayne's World" fan club! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Submit message by sending to [EMAIL PROTECTED] =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Unsub info - send e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], putting "unsubscribe liberty-and-justice" in the msg BODY (not subject) List-Owner of Liberty-and-Justice is Mike Goldman [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Sherry. aka Tapshoe When everyone else is walking out the door, the true friend walks in http://www.angelfire.com/wy/seekGOVinvestigation/ *** [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send "Subscribe Future-Cities" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]; http://users.uniserve.com/~culturex *** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Richard Sauder
-Caveat Lector- Richard Sauder: Underground tunnels and bases researcher now tackles the realm of consciousness. He talk's about his own Kundalini and Out-Of- Body experiences, and electronic mind-control techniques, devices and patents. So who is using devices that can monitor and alter brain waves remotely, or a "biomagnetic analytical system using Fiber-Optic magnetic sensor," or can induce mental, emotional, and physical states of consciousness. Newest book: "Kundalini Tales". http://www.lauralee.com/audio/01_09_99/hour1.ram http://www.lauralee.com/audio/01_09_99/hour2.ram http://www.lauralee.com/audio/01_09_99/hour3.ram http://www.lauralee.com/audio/01_09_99/hour4.ram Steve Wingate California Director SKYWATCH INTERNATIONAL Today's Midi http://www.anomalous-images.com/The_Goodbye_Look_(Donald_Fagen).mid Anomalous Images Bulletin Board http://www.anomalous-images.com/wwwboard.html Anomalous Images and UFO Files http://www.anomalous-images.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: ISRAELI MID-AIR UFO EXPLOSION ANALYZED - IT'S THE REAL THING
-Caveat Lector- Since this snip of article re: two UFOs colliding in midair states that there was no flaming debris, no fallout of materials from the collision... no physical evidence of this event. If this event was truly video recorded as claimed, does this not suggest the event might have been "projected" in the night sky, or, maybe in some way be a hologram? Is this even possible? Blue The explosion is not due to any conventional method I am familiar with; conventional, large explosions require much more than 1/4 second to disappear, and usually generate flaming debris that falls from the explosion. Neither characteristic is seen here. The acceleration, light size, and explosion are not explainable in any convention way that I know of, and this case remains unidentified. Jeff Sainio MUFON Staff Photoanalyst DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] American Reds Gave Away Store
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/22/99 12:13:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: First, they would have assured you that the American Communist Party -- officially called Communist Party U.S.A. -- was made up of idealistic do-gooder types who never for a moment spied for the Soviet Union or at any time offered any kind of a threat to the United States. Second, you similarly would have been assured that there were no serious Communists, or at least none of any significance, who spied for Moscow in any government agency or among the scientists involved in the Manhattan Project and at Los Alamos in the development of the atomic bomb. You would have been told that Sen. Joseph McCarthy was badly misinformed. You would have been told, too, that Alger Hiss was innocent, the victim of an ambitious congressman (Richard Nixon) and that the whole effort to uncover nonexistent Communists in Washington had been launched by conservative Republicans eager to undo the achievements of the New Deal and the liberal Roosevelt years. I didn't see anything in the text to implicate the American Communist Party here (other than support of Wallace). That wasn't exactly espionage. As for the others, there is every evidence that they did what they did for money or excitement. I doubt there was a political idealist among them. Maybe the rest of the book will clear the issue. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Covering up a mystery ailment (Great Site for Aspart...
-Caveat Lector- On Thu, 21 Jan 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is AIDS really a disease? Hm.. Maybe someone should have asked that question of Rock Hudson before he died. Actually, 'AIDS' itself is not a disease, just a term for a condition, Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome, a condition which causes one's immune system to function in a faulty manner, or malfunction altogether...leading to the victim contracting any number of OTHER diseases and/or infections, which ultimately lead to death. June === The melancholy days are come, the saddest of the year, Of wailing winds and naked woods, and meadows brown and sear. -- Wm. Cullen Bryant: The Death of the Flowers === *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Falwell: Antichrist May Be MUSLIM
-Caveat Lector- in this country to bomb abortion clincs, and kill abortion doctors...all in the name of obeying what they perceive as the higher law. Yet Christ himself told the deciples to give unto ceasers what is ceasers...or to submit to the government. Cheers, Robert Actually, the full quote says, "Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's and unto God the things which are God's." The last part is usually conveniently left out. Although I, too, am anti-abortion, nothing excuses the murder of people associated with performing abortions. What they're doing is between themselves and the Lord. Jim, Residing in the Federal Satrapy of Ohio "And I searched for a man among them who should build up the wall and stand in the gap before Me for the land, that I should not destroy it; but I found no one." Ezekiel 22:30. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: From Alt.Mindcontrol
Subject: Response to Robin Ramsey From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alex Constantine) Date: 1/21/1999 3:43 PM Eastern Standard Time Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Note: The Steamshovel Web site recently featured an article on mind control written by Robin Ramsey, in which I am taken to task for finding the CIA complicit in ritual abuse (perhaps he has never heard tell of The Finders, the most widely-publicized instance of RA committed by CIA mind control operatives?) and "alien" abduction (he missed The Controllers?). The following is my response to Ramsey's nonsensical remarks. Alex Constantine Editor: Does Robin Ramsay honestly believe that I implicate the CIA in ritual abuse and "alien" abduction by "ignoring the evidence?" Curious statement. Virtual Government, published by Feral House in 1997, offers over 300 pages of documented evidence that the CIA is deeply involved in illicit human experimentation and the trauma-based programming of children. Most reviewers have commented on the wealth of evidence I provide; some have found it "difficult to refute." Steamshovel editor Kenn Thomas found the book informative and engaging. How is it that Ramsay comes to make such an obvious error? Curious, also, that Ramsay's post to the Steamshovel site does not associate the mind control devices described therein with any particular federal agency. Who, exactly, makes use of mind control implants? The Office of Management and Budget? Ramsay has already ruled out the CIA in the first paragraph, so he daren't go there... In his pretence of knowing something about mind control, he makes much of the implants. Ramsey provides us with impressive technical and patent information (dowloaded from the newsgroups, where it is available to all?), oblivious to the fact that, these days, implants are being supplanted by frequency allocation registration. As I wrote in Psychic Dictatorship (1995), "the current state of the art in Radio-Hypnotic Intracerebral Control (RHIC) depends upon 'Personal Radio and Electromagnetic Allocation,' or PREMA." Once the subject's frequency registration is determined, "the brain becomes a link in a cybernetic system, and the subject (or group) can be surveilled, guided, manipulated, harassed or controlled from afar" (p. 44). In other words, implants are not necessary. Mr. Ramsay takes a swipe at me with a demonstrable lie, then promotes Kathy Kasten a mole, as a number of victims who have had the misfortune to deal with her will attest. She has claimed that "aliens" stole her child. Kathy, there are no "aliens." She is prone to raging, four-letter hysterics. Having been the target of her irrational fits of bile, I know this first-hand.. Kasten often accuses legitimate victims of harboring intelligence connections, casting suspicion on them unjustly with a McCarthyite flourish. I have seen her turn Internet MC victim subscription lists upside down with her antics. I can tell you stories ... For instance: When the CIA's Ed Dames first stepped from the black ops closet, he found an avid supporter in UCLA's Ms. Kasten. In fact, Kasten who, like Dames, also claims to have been trained in "remote viewing" by the CIA was so enamored with the spook that she sent a letter of support to every mind control victim on her mailing list. She praised him mightily, and implored all victims to give Dames $4,000 for lessons in "remote viewing." Horrified that she would exploit victims this way, I circulated a bio of Ed Dames to her mailing list. Kasten exploded in an e-mail to her list, claiming "Alex Constantine abuses women and hates victims." Excuse me? I do neither. What was the reason for this defamatory rant? What was my offense? I had circulated facts concerning the dark side of her friend Ed Dames. I happened to mention that he is an active mind control operative. I have since received verification from associates of Dames that he is, indeed, a CIA mind control operative. And his actions, particularly his promotion of the "alien" cover story, speak volumes. Ramsey and Kasten may believe that Dames can "remote-view Satan," but I call this grist for the brainwashed minions of Art Bell. Ramsey's support of Kasten largely depended upon a reference from Robert Sterling, editor of The Konformist newsletter. In a January 20, 1999 telephone conversation with Sterling, he informed me that he had "lied" to Ramsey about Kasten, that he, in fact, has no confidence in her credibility, and that she was quite probably planted among the victims of mind control experimentation to provoke conflicts. Sterling had "lied," he explained, because he did not want his valid criticisms of her to haunt him in the future. That is, he fears a backlash from Ms. Kasten and so failed to speak his mind. Ramsey himself, as editor of Lobster, rejected an article submitted by Kathey Kasten because he found it "too weird." BTW, since when is Mr. Ramsay an authority on mind control? A
[CTRL] Fwd: The Week Online with DRCNet, Issue #75
The Week Online with DRCNet, Issue #75 - January 22, 1998 A Publication of the Drug Reform Coordination Network PLEASE COPY AND DISTRIBUTE (To sign off this list, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] with the line "signoff drc-natl" in the body of the message, or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. To subscribe to this list, visit http://www.drcnet.org/signup.html.) (This issue can be also be read on our web site at http://www.drcnet.org/wol/075.html. Check out the DRCNN weekly radio segment at http://www.drcnet.org/drcnn/.) PERMISSION to reprint or redistribute any or all of the contents of The Week Online is hereby granted. We ask that any use of these materials include proper credit and, where appropriate, a link to one or more of our web sites. If your publication customarily pays for publication, DRCNet requests checks payable to the organization. If your publication does not pay for materials, you are free to use the materials gratis. In all cases, we request notification for our records, including physical copies where material has appeared in print. Contact: Drug Reform Coordination Network, 2000 P St., NW, Suite 615, Washington, DC 20036, (202) 293-8340 (voice), (202) 293-8344 (fax), e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you. Articles of a purely educational nature in The Week Online appear courtesy of the DRCNet Foundation, unless otherwise noted. TABLE OF CONTENTS 1. Will Foster Parole Denied http://www.drcnet.org/wol/075.html#noparole 2. Senate Republicans Push a Drug-Free Century Act http://www.drcnet.org/wol/075.html#century 3. New York Mayor Giuliani Reverses Himself on Methadone http://www.drcnet.org/wol/075.html#giuliani 4. California Gubernatorial Candidate Steve Kubby Arrested for Medical Marijuana http://www.drcnet.org/wol/075.html#kubby 5. Humboldt Residents Testify to Environmental Harm of Anti- Marijuana Helicopters http://www.drcnet.org/wol/075.html#copters 6. EDITORIAL: Standing at the Schoolhouse Door http://www.drcnet.org/wol/075.html#editorial 1. Will Foster Parole Denied DRCNet received word just prior to press time that Oklahoma Governor Frank Keating has denied parole to Will Foster despite the unanimous recommendation of the state parole board, the strong support of various officials of the prison where Will had been housed for over a year (online at http://www.drcnet.org/foster/, and calls, faxes, letters and e-mail from all over the world urging his release. No reason was given by the governor for the denial. Word in Oklahoma is that George W. Bush Jr. is considering Keating from among a short list of candidates for the Vice Presidential spot on his ticket, should Bush run and win the Republican nomination. Being that both Bush and Keating have been unrelenting drug warriors, it would appear that paroling Foster would not have been politically advantageous. Foster will be eligible to appear in front of the parole board again in a year. DRCNet wants to thank all of our subscribers who took the time to reach out to Governor Keating on Will Foster's behalf, and to urge you not to get discouraged, but to put the same energy into the efforts that will help one day win freedom for all the nonviolent drug offenders. We are in a hard fight, but it is a fight that can one day be won. We will, of course, keep you up to date on Will Foster's situation, and how you can help him next year. 2. Senate Republicans Push a Drug-Free Century Act - Scott Ehlers, Senior Policy Analyst, Drug Policy Foundation, http://www.dpf.org Senate Republicans took time out from the impeachment hearings on Tuesday, January 19, to present their newest scheme for creating a drug-free America: S. 5, the Drug-Free Century Act (DFCA), and a slew of individual bills that contain elements of the omnibus DFCA. The omnibus DFCA is "comprehensive" according to the sponsor, Sen. DeWine (R- OH), containing "treatment, education, domestic law enforcement, and drug interdiction." An analysis of the bill, however, reveals the usual lopsided emphasis on law enforcement, incarceration, interdiction, and asset forfeiture, at the expense of anything that remotely resembles treatment, prevention, and education. The DFCA makes it easier for federal law enforcement to forfeit your boat, even if no drugs are found, and take your assets if you happen to go astray of the ever-expanding anti-money laundering laws. The DFCA seeks to reduce the crack cocaine/powder cocaine sentencing disparity by making it easier to imprison more people for powder cocaine. Whereas previously it would take 5 kilograms to receive a 10-year mandatory minimum, if the DFCA is enacted it would only take 500 grams. It also changes the quantity required to receive a five-year mandatory minimum, from 500 grams to 50 grams. Some of the most interesting elements of the bill are contained in the demand reduction section (Title III).
[CTRL] Brazil's Currency Slide Sparks Worldwide Woes
-Caveat Lector- 8:06 AM DESPITE IMF BAILOUT BRAZIL PLUNGES AGAIN: Brazil's Currency Slide Sparks Worldwide Woes - Brazil had world markets on red alert again Friday as the value of its newly floated currency fell precipitously and fueled fears of domino-like devaluations from Latin America to Asia. . . . . Neighboring Argentina moved quickly to stem contagion with a surprise announcement late Thursday that it was proposing a radical monetary treaty with the United States to adopt the dollar and eliminate all risk of a devaluation like Brazil's. . . . . "Brazil's sovereign credit-worthiness has taken a turn for the worse," wrote Carl Ross, analyst at Bear Stearns Co. . . . . At the end of December, Brazil had reserves of $43 billion, including a $9.3 billion first disbursement from the International Monetary Fund as part of a $41.5 billion international credit line to shore up reserves. . . . . . 6:58 AM FREE TRADE BRINGS IN WORST TRADE DEFICIT ON RECORD: Trade Deficit Rises, Setting Record Early - In a sign of how fast the American economy was growing at the end of the year and how quickly many other economies were slowing, the U.S. trade deficit widened sharply in November, setting a record for a year in just 11 months. . . . . . . As consumers and businesses took advantage of import bargains and exporters struggled to sell in shrinking markets, the gap between American exports and imports jumped to $15.5 billion from $13.5 billion in October, the Commerce Department reported Thursday. . . . . . . With December remaining to be counted, the deficit for 1998 has already reached $153.9 billion, making it the worst year for trade since 1987, when the deficit was $153.4 billion, the previous record. . . . . . . "This is a pretty lousy report," said William Dudley, chief economist at Goldman, Sachs. . . . . . . The rise in the trade deficit is actually worse than the figures indicate because import prices have been falling in dollar terms as the currencies of Asian and Latin American countries have weakened and the world market for raw materials from copper to oil has plunged. On average, imported goods are 3.5 percent cheaper than a year earlier, while the cost of foreign petroleum products is down more than 34 percent. That means the volume of imports is even bigger than the statistics would indicate. . . . . . . . Politically, the bulging trade deficit has become a serious concern for the Clinton administration, underscored by the president's harsh words for Japanese steelmakers in his State of the Union address Tuesday night and his call for a new round of global trade talks. The administration had already been urging the Europeans to import more, saying that the United States could not be the importer of only resort. . . . DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] OEN 1/22/98
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.aci.net/kalliste/ A HREF="http://www.aci.net/kalliste/"The Home Page of J. Orlin Grabbe/A - Impeached POTUS Democrats Shuffle the Deckchairs, But Refuse to Jump Ship It doesn't count as sexual relations, unless it's with Hillary Clinton. by Mark Steyn THEY'RE rearranging the deckchairs on Bill Clinton's Love Boat: the Democrats in the Senate have begun moving around. Arizona's Blanche Lincoln sits where California's Barbara Boxer once sat; Senator Boxer sits where Minnesota's Paul Wellstone once sat; Senator Wellstone now sits in the enormous shadow of Ted Kennedy. During the House managers' presentations, Senator Kennedy couldn't stop coughing: with each long, low, throaty rumble, the vertical hold on his tie went haywire, his belly vibrated, the desk rattled, the chandeliers wobbled. He was like that volcano on Montserrat. But now the Clinton attorneys are doing their stuff, Mount Ted (that's a geographical metaphor, not the first rule of the Senate Intern Code) has subsided. It's safe for Mr Wellstone, recovering from back surgery, to return to the neighbourhood. But what does all this movement mean? "My guy is sick of reading about his body language," says one aide. "He didn't even know he had body language until this last week. There's people out there spinning entire articles out of Kennedy's cough." He has a point. To us cough-diviners, the deckchair shuffling is an inconvenience because we're all trying to spot 12 Democrats prepared to abandon ship. That's why Daniel Patrick Moynihan rubbing his spectacles seems more significant than Jesse Helms rubbing his. But by yesterday morning the consensus was that Democrat senators could pick their noses, scratch their crotches and lob their toupees at Clinton attorneys, and it wouldn't mean anything. The Democrat caucus has come together. The only defection presently mooted is that of West Virginia's glowering Robert Byrd, who's always described by fellow Democrats as "the Senate's widely respected elder statesman". Translated, this means: "Fuhgeddabout him; he's history." When impeachment moved to the Senate, we were solemnly told that these guys were the wise men of American politics: they wouldn't take kindly to a lot of legalistic hairsplitting that insulted their intelligence. But it's happened and they're loving it! Turns out it is all about sex: a year after his famous finger-wagging, Mr Clinton's definition of sexual relations remains the cornerstone of his, er, oral depositions. Intelligent people like David Kendall and Cheryl Mills are prepared to argue in public that the President has bravely confessed to a sexual affair, but still hasn't had sexual relations with that woman. If I follow the legal argument correctly, it doesn't count as sexual relations unless it's with Hillary Clinton. And, ipso facto, if you never have sexual relations, what are you doing in a sexual harassment suit? If oral sex is non-sexual, then clearly the President should have been sued for non-sexual harassment. No wonder this case is a travesty of a farrago, Your Honour. No wonder the Senators have stopped taking notes. For, in this case, words make no sense. Consulting my own notes, I find Clinton attorney Greg Craig's defiant evisceration of the perjury charge: the President "did not deny he had misled his aides; he said, in fact, he had misled his aides. So the President wasn't lying about telling the truth; he was telling the truth about lying. If, instead of telling the truth about not telling the truth, he'd lied about lying, then he wouldn't have been telling the truth." But, just as he'd got that cleared up, Greg complicated things: "He never said that he told them only true things." So the President hadn't lied when he said he'd told the truth because, although he lied, he hadn't exclusively lied, so therefore he was telling the truth about telling the truth, although he'd also have been telling the truth if he'd said he'd lied, and, although he'd have been lying if he said he hadn't lied, he'd have been lying if he said he hadn't told the truth. Out on the floor, Senate Majority Whip Don Nickles dozes off. A faraway look comes into Strom Thurmond's eyes, as if fondly recalling Miss South Carolina of 1908. But the Dems are lapping it up. For a week, they pretended to be grave: "I am undecided until I hear all the facts," intoned a Vermonter, Senator Patrick Leahy. But now they've figured they can skip the mock solemnity. Some are even giggling. The London Telegraph, Jan. 22, 1999 Impeached POTUS State of Shame It was the most shameless State of the Union speech any President has ever delivered. Entering the seventh year of a second term, Bill Clinton's audacity allowed him to pretend that he was on his Presidency's maiden voyage. He sailed a fully loaded tanker onto the floor of the House and dumped about 500,000 gallons of policy rhetoric onto an agog and at times embarrassed Congress. You had to
Re: [CTRL] Falwell: Antichrist May Be MUSLIM
-Caveat Lector- Franklin Wayne Poley wrote: -Caveat Lector- The AntiChrist is a Martian-"God told me so" and that is as credible as saying that God told an asshole liar like Flawell, Graham, Imp, Hagee, Dobson or Katz, jr. anything about imminent "end times". FWP. Poley are you still alive? You seem to be getting crazier every day. Your pal, Chuck U. Farley DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] SkeptiNews 990122a
-Caveat Lector- SkeptiNews 990122a - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question # HARDWIRING SECURITY. Beginning with the Pentium III, Intel will tag its processors, and include a random number generator with the chipset. The idea is to make it easier to encrypt data. The mark of the beast - see www.wired.com/news/news/email/explode-infobeat/business/story/17453.html : You won't mind if all your communications contain that ID#, will you? You won't miss your privacy, will you? This isn't a plot to tag control everybody, is it? It's all for our own good, isn't it? Isn't it? --Ric *** Pope criticizes gay marriages. VATICAN CITY - Pope John Paul II deplored efforts to give gay unions the same recognition as marriages between men and women, lamenting the "widespread deterioration of the natural and religious sense of marriage." Irked by a few small cities and towns in Italy - see http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2558133236-8a6 : If the Pope doesn't like gay marriage, he shouldn't have one, right? -Ric *** Pope to return to Mexico. MEXICO CITY (AP) - The pope travels to Mexico Friday to sign a document outlining church strategy for the Americas in the coming decades. Devoted to the Virgin of Guadalupe - see http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2558129281-af2 : Does your church have a long-term international strategy? Are you devoted to any specific virgin? Do you plaster up pictures of her everywhere? -Ric *** Blood found in pollster's office. WASHINGTON (AP) Police may have found some DNA evidence from burglars who broke into the office of political stra- tegists working for an opposition prime ministership candidate in Israel's election. "Blood stains on glass suggest perpetrator was injured" - see http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2558130728-a89 : Suppose it'n not human blood - would Netanyahu hire Reptilioids? Would you give a blood sample to prove it wasn't you? Should samples be required? -Ric *** Update: 24 die in Indonesia religious clash. JAKARTA (AP) Rioters fired flaming arrows at houses of worship during a third day of clashes between Christians and Muslims in eastern Indonesia. At least 24 people have been killed in the violence on two islands and fighting erupted on a third. See http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2558131863-79d : Are flaming arrows hard to shoot? Are they better than Molotov cocktails? *** $6 mln in funding for coffee study. NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) - Millions of Americans know the therapy a cup of coffee can deliver early in the morning. Researchers at Vanderbilt U. say it's possible coffee could do more, perhaps even help people who suffer from depression and alcoholism. "People drink coffee because they like it or they like the way it makes them feel - My suggestion is that we really don't know what causes those effects." See http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2558130010-3ad : What's your favorite stimulant? Does coffee help? Was caffeine a gift of the Reptilioids, to keep us lively? Is coke too strong? Too weak? Why? -Ric # In a press statement the Most Rev. Daniel P. Reilly, Roman Catholic Bishop of Worcestor, MA, released preliminary findings of the Bishop's commission appointed to investigate the alleged Audrey Santo miracles. See: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Cafe/5840/miracle1.htm Summary report: http://www.worcesterdiocese.org/news/communications/releases/audrey.html : Do you believe in miracles? Are miracles dangerous, possible, fantasy? -R ### BELL TELLS. In a startling interview on Curtis Sliwa's radio program, Art Bell admitted that all his guests are frauds. "They're all imposters and psychotics", slurred Bell. He was guzzling a Slurpee made with Aqua Velva and Nyquil. "Boylan's an acidhead, and Hoagland is the most deluded, not to mention being light in the loafers", he rasped, just before coating Sliwa with blue vomit. The interview will be rerun on WABC. ### : Why can't all talkonalities confess their darkest secrets? Do you care? -R *** First lady honors Muslim holiday. WASHINGTON (AP) Under the smiling gaze of first lady Hillary Rodham Clinton, the White House celebrated the Muslim feast of Eid al-Fitr Thursday. "Religion should not serve as a weapon of war and division, but as a bridge to peace," she said. It was the third year Clinton invited Muslim families, academics, activists and dignitaries to a buffet reception in the Old Executive Office Building in the White House complex. http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2558137743-55e : What's your favorite state-sponsored religious observance? Are religions better at promoting war or peace? Is gov't better at waging war or peace? -R *** Militant charged in rabbi's death. BEIT EL, West Bank (AP) - An Islamic militant who was charged with killing an elderly rabbi and lobbing grenades into a crowded square and a bus stop said he had no regrets. "I only did my duty to my country and my people,"
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Lott, Barr, and the CCC [Think KKK]
-Caveat Lector- At 10:28 AM 1/22/99 -0500, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/21/99 10:09:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You spout yankee propaganda like Mortimer Snerd. This ALL sounds like a propaganda war to me. This is pathetic. Nope. It's the truth and hurts only the ones who wont accept it. Jim, Residing in the Federal Satrapy of Ohio "And I searched for a man among them who should build up the wall and stand in the gap before Me for the land, that I should not destroy it; but I found no one." Ezekiel 22:30. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Lott, Barr, and the CCC [Think KKK]
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/22/99 11:15:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This ALL sounds like a propaganda war to me. This is pathetic. Nope. It's the truth and hurts only the ones who wont accept it. Jim, Residing in the Federal Satrapy of Ohio Duh. I was referring to both sides in this argument - it's why I used the word 'ALL.' Are you saying both sides are the truth and I just can't take it? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Lott, Barr, and the CCC [Think KKK]
-Caveat Lector- At 11:19 AM 1/22/99 -0500, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/22/99 11:15:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This ALL sounds like a propaganda war to me. This is pathetic. Nope. It's the truth and hurts only the ones who wont accept it. Jim, Residing in the Federal Satrapy of Ohio Duh. I was referring to both sides in this argument - it's why I used the word 'ALL.' Are you saying both sides are the truth and I just can't take it? Nope. Sorry for my lack of specificity. Having been a yankee for most of my life I was startled to find that the truth resided on the other side. I've since switched allegiances, of course. I like to side with the truth, even when it's politically-incorrect. Jim, Residing in the Federal Satrapy of Ohio "And I searched for a man among them who should build up the wall and stand in the gap before Me for the land, that I should not destroy it; but I found no one." Ezekiel 22:30. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] [1] Depression-Social History(repost)
-Caveat Lector- an excerpt from: Once In Golconda - A True Drama of Wall Street 1920-1938 John Brooks©1969 Truman Talley Book/ E. P. Dutton ISBN 0-525-48166-4 - A good book of social history. A sympathetic study. The cast includes many Bonesman and their family members. Om K - Chapter Five Things Fall Apart I The perfect public forum for the mighty of finance was the transatlantic shipboard interview. In those times an annual summer trip to Europe, combining business with pleasure, was considered all but de rigueur in the upper reaches of Wall Street, and in the absence of transatlantic air service an ocean liner was the way of getting there. The appearance of a powerful man's name on a passenger list was just about the only routine occasion for advance public disclosure of his whereabouts, and probable ready availabiiity to reporters, at any given time. Thus each June and July, as the advance of summer gradually converted the city into a caldron that would steam intermittently until Labor Day or after and the North River piers came to echo with the farewell hoots of departing leviathans, the newspaper reporters culled the lists for the names of Morgan partners, Stock Exchange officials, or famous pool operators, and, finding them, took pains to be on deck with pad and pencil shortly before departure time. As for the mighty men, they could refuse interviews or sequester themselves in their staterooms if they so desired. But often they did not so desire. On the contrary, they sometimes selected their departures and arrivals as the moments to make their public statements, invariably referred to in the press as "rare." The fact that their presence on the ship was public knowledge gave them the opportunity to present themselves as reluctant subjects, men trapped into interviews that they could not in democratic courlesy refuse; in fact, they often came on board with carefully prepared and memorized statements. The circumstances gave them a chance to say what they wished to say while, to outward appearances, maintaining the financial traditions of conservative reticence, unavailability, dignity, and mystery. So every early summer and early fall, the papers would be full of these "rare" public statements from the "usually unavailable" nabobs, and sometimes the market would be rocked by the wash from the statements. The great liners came to be the royal processions of American finance. The mighty men left for Europe, and the market, reacting to their buoyant words, bellowed "Bon Voyage"; they landed at Southampton or Le Havre, and the market cried "Bravo"; their stately conveyances again approached New York, and, as Winkelman wroter "great salvos of welcome arose from the floor of the Exchange." Around midnight on Saturday, July 31, 1926, the Morgan partner Thomas Cochran, having boarded the liner Olympic shortly before so as to get a night's sleep before her early morning departure, consented to an intetview with a ship news reporter. The following Monday at just past noon, the Dow- Jones financial news ticker carried the result into banks and brokerage houses in Wall Street around around the nation. Among other things, Cochran was reported as having said, "General Motors running at its present rate is cheap at the price, and it should and will sell at least one hundred points higher." Doubtless many of the Dow-Jones subscribers rubbed their eyes and looked at the broad tape again. The elder J. P. Morgan, once asked by a reporter what the market was going to do, had replied with magnificent evasiveness, "It will fluctuate." Evidently times had changed. Not only was a leading voice from the imperial Corner, 23 Wall Street itself, stooping to tout a specified stock with an explicit future-price prediaion, in the terms usually associated with the more importunate sort of brokerage-house telephone sales man. That in itself would have been enough to cause jaws to drop. In fact, as the New York Times said later, "there was no precedent on Wall Street for such an episode." But, in addition, Cochran wasand was publicly known to bevery much of a General Motors insider, in a quasi-fiduciary relationship to the company. J. P. Morgan Company was General Motors' banker, the firm had huge holdings of the corporation's stock, and some of its partners were General Motors directors. Since the General Motors board had met recently and since it could be assumed that Morgan partners were in the habit of communicating with each other, there was reason to believe that Cochran knew what had taken place at the meeting, and his words appeared to be what was calledalthough not in Morgan circlesa feedbox tip. Within minutes, more than half of all the brokers and traders on the Stock Exchange floor were clustered around the post where General Motors was traded. Before the day was over, more than a quarter-million shares of the stock had been traded and its price had risen from 189.5 to 201. It was
[CTRL] CTRL -Depression/Roosevelt
-Caveat Lector- an excerpt from: Fourth Reich of the Rich Des Griffin Emissary Publications 9205 SE Clackamas RD, #1776 Clackamas. Oregon 97015 - As always, . . . Om K - GREAT DEPRESSlON ... AND FDR While the bankers and industrialists were busy building up the oppressive strength of the Soviet regime, they were also secretly planning to take the American people to the cleaners. After a trial run in l921, they were all set to stage the Crash of 1929 and the Great Depression that followed. On February 6, 1929, Montagu Norman, head of the Bank of England, arrived in Washington to confer with the Secretary of the Treasury, Andrew Mellon. Shortly thereafter the Fed reversed its easy money policy that had been in effect for more than six years, and began to raise the discount rate. A timely warning went out to those in the know. Paul Warburg was quoted in the Fmancial Chronicle, March 9, 1929 "If orgies of unrestricted speculation are permitted to spread too far ... the ultimate crash is certain. During the following six months those in the know sold out of the stock market when prices were high and reinvested their money in silver and gold. "When everything was ready, the New York financiers started calling 24 hour broker call loans. This meant that the stock brokers and their customers had to dump their stock on the market in order to pay the loans. This naturally collapsed the market and brought a banking collapse all over the country because the banks not owned by the oligarchy were heavily involved in broker call claims at this time, and bank runs soon exhausted their coin and currency and they had to close The Federal Reserve System would not come to their aid, although they were instructed under the law to maintain an elastic currency" (The United States' Unresolved Monetary and Political Problems, by William Bryan). Congressman Louis T. McFadden, outspoken Chairman of the House Banking and Currency Committee, understood the cause of the Great Depression: lt was no accident. It was a carefully contrived occurrence. . . The International Bankers sought to bring about a condition of despair here so that they might emerge as rulers of us all" (The Speeches of Congressman Louis T. McFadden). As a result of the Crash, business was thrown into a state of chaos. Tens of thousands of companies were forced to close down. Millions lost their jobs and were forced to join the soup lines. Several millionaires lost all they had and committed suicide. By 1932 the economy showed distinct signs of staging a major recovery. An air of hope and confidence once again began to flow through the nation. Although the economic prospects looked promising the Internationalists had other plans for the American people. During the presidential campaign of 1932, Franldin D. Roosevelt presented a strong conservative image to the electorate. But rumors began to spread across the country that his platform did not represent his true views and intentions, and that basic changes in the entire economic, sociaL and governmental systems were in the works. When Roosevelt was elected in November these rumors became rampant. The president-elect would neither confirm nor deny them. The 1932 election was the last one after which the actual inauguration took place the following March, rather than January. The long wait and the growing public uncertainty brought about what amounted to a second depression"politically createdof paralyzing impact. The resulting public panic caused a nationwide run on the banks, forcing many to close their doors by the time of FDR's inauguration. As a result, Roosevelt came to power in an atmosphere of great crisis which he, and the powers behind the scenes, had deliberately created. Roosevelt immediately undertook the long rumored changes in our governmental system and way of life. Federal commissions and regulatory boards were given power to control at will almost every business transaction anywhere in America, and to enforce their will by imposing both civil and criminal penalties. Constitutional restrictions on the exercise of this kind of authority and force were swept away. Congress became subservient to a greater degree than ever before in our history; it did exactly what the president askedimpelled by the crisis atmosphere the president himself had created, and by the constant, cleverly-applied pressure of the Fabians and the Fabian-indoctrinated whom the president had installed in so many key Federal offices. In short, the Roosevelt Administration attempted to inflict on the nation every last phase of Clinton Roosevelt's Illuminist blueprint for destroying our Constitution and form of governmenton the pretext of establishing a "new social order," or New Deal as he ironically labeled it. They immediately placed the insignia of the Illuminati, in the form of the reverse side of the Great Seal of the United States, on our currency (their one
[CTRL] Oklahoma Bombing Investigation Committee Disputes Grand Jury Report
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.parascope.com/index.htm A HREF="http://www.parascope.com/index.htm"ParaScope: Something Strange is Happening!/A - Oklahoma Bombing Investigation Committee Disputes Grand Jury Report Charles Key's Oklahoma Bombing Investigation Committee, which pushed for the Oklahoma County Grand Jury investigation into the 1995 bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah building and conducted its own simultaneous inquiry, finds fault with a number of claims in the jurors' final report . OKBIC noted in a statement about the grand jury's report that the jurors' conclusions represent -- almost word for word -- a complete rundown of the federal government's case against Terry Nichols and Timothy McVeigh. Executive Director Cate McCauley noted the following among other observations about the final report: John Doe #2. The committee acknowledged that sorting out the identity of the illusive possible accomplice known as John Doe #2 was "one of the most confusing aspects of this case" and expressed gratitude that the grand jurors left open the possibility that such a person could exist. OKBIC suggests, however, that jurors ignored an important possibility: "What if there was more than one John Doe? Prior Knowledge. While being careful to clear up the misconception that the committee believed a grand conspiracy existed that allowed Oklahomans to die despite advanced warning about the bombing, OKBIC's McCauley pointed out that the "state of heightened alert" at the federal building on the day of the bombing has not been adequately explained. "475 victims' families, including a bombing victims spokesperson who is constantly criticizing us, think they have a case and want to file a civil suit," McCauley noted. "We understand many bomb threats come into law enforcement all the time: Some threats are taken more seriously than others. We just want to know what specific warnings may relate to what happened in Oklahoma City. That's not an unfair question." Elohim City. The committee agreed with grand jurors that an Elohim City connection may not have been relevant to the bombing. Nevertheless, McCauley questioned why Andres Strassmeir was never detained for questioning about the incident. Telephone Calls. The committee -- which did not have the grand jury's authority to track phone calls -- insists that questions remain about a confirmed call to Walter Reed Army Hospital. "Our main concern remains who on Earth would telephone this facility prior to the bombing and inquire about 'triage for blast overpressure victims,'" McCauley noted. Rescue Workers Arrived Too Soon. The committee agreed with the jurors' explanation of local law enforcement response and insisted in response to accusations in the final report that the OKBIC had never tried to "twist this into something evil." Unidentified Fingerprints. The committee complained that jurors' conclusions in this area were "woefully short of a reasonable explanation." In response to the grand jury's promise that the prints will be matched "if future evidence warrants it," OKBIC stressed the need for aggressive follow-up. McCauley promised that the "more than one bomb" theory, which jurors' rejected outright, would be addressed in the OKBIC's own upcoming final report, which should be released by the end of next month. He concluded that while jurors were not "part of some grand conspiracy," they likely did not read the trial transcripts and were the victims of biased legal advice. "I believe this is simply a case of good people trusting and relying on their legal advisors," McCauley concluded. "We have nothing but the greatest sympathy for anyone trying to make heads or tails out of this case. The layers one has to dig through go very deep indeed. But . . there are major differences between reporting, investigating, finding the legal relevance necessary to take something into court and the whole truth." Sources: ""IN RESPONSE TO THE OK COUNTY GRAND JURY FINAL REPORT," Oklahoma Bombing Investigation Committee, January 1, 1999. - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, Omnia Bona Bonis, All My Relations. Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End Kris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html
Re: [CTRL] Pope to Meet w/Clinton in Hanger to View Alien Craft?
-Caveat Lector- But another possibility, which is ever present, as is revealed by current news items is the possible deception of the masses into believing that they are going to do battle with mortal beings from another planet. I'm not sure if its a atual story or not, or just a theory, but I once read that Demons and/or Monsters faced by those in the far flung past (read: mythological or historical times) may have in fact been aliens and not Demons or Monsters. If true I don't know. If it is a [printed] story, does anybody know who its by its name?? P.S. Mr. Miller, do you know if these articles are online? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] [1] Gary Webb speaks on the CIA's connection to drug trafficking
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.parascope.com/index.htm A HREF="http://www.parascope.com/index.htm"ParaScope: Something Strange is Happening!/A - Investigative journalist Gary Webb speaks to a packed house on the CIA's connection to drug trafficking, and the failure of the media to expose the truth. by Charles Overbeck Matrix Editor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dark Alliance author Gary Webb gave a fascinating talk on the evening of January 16, outlining the findings of his investigation of the CIA's connection to drug trafficking by the Nicaraguan contras. Approximately 300 people, crowded into the First United Methodist Church in Eugene, Oregon, listened with rapt attention as Webb detailed his experiences. Webb's riveting speech was followed by an intense question-and-answer session, during which he candidly answered questions about the "Dark Alliance" controversy, his firing from the San Jose Mercury News, and CIA/contra/cocaine secrets that still await revelation. It was a fascinating exchange packed with detailed information on the latest developments in the case. Webb spoke eloquently, with the ease and confidence of an investigator who has spent many long hours researching his subject, and many more hours sharing this information with the public. ParaScope will have a full report on Webb's talk on Wednesday, January 20. In the meantime, you get another opportunity to see a ParaScope article come together from scratch, from behind the scenes. So check back with us soon for the latest additions as this piece is developed. [Last update 1:40 a.m. EST 1/21. Video clips and hypertext annotations coming soon.] Transcript: Gary Webb Speaks on CIA Connections to Contra Drug Trafficking (and Related Topics) Date: January 16, 1999 Time: 7:30 p.m. Location: First United Methodist Church, 1376 Olive St., Eugene, Oregon Gary Webb: I look like an idiot up here with all these mikes, the CIA agents are probably behind one or the other... [laughter from the audience]. It's really nice to be in Eugene -- I've been in Madison, Wisconsin talking about this, I've been in Berkeley, I've been in Santa Monica, and these are sort of like islands of sanity in this world today, so it's great to be on one of those islands. One of the things that is weird about this whole thing, though, is that I've been a daily news reporter for about twenty years, and I've done probably a thousand interviews with people, and the strangest thing is being on the other side of the table now and having reporters ask me questions. One of them asked me about a week ago -- I was on a radio show -- and the host asked me, "Why did you get into newspaper reporting, of all the media? Why did you pick newspapers?" And I really had to admit that I was stumped. Because I thought about it -- I'd been doing newspaper reporting since I was fourteen or fifteen years old -- and I really didn't have an answer. So I went back to my clip books -- you know, most reporters keep all their old clips -- and I started digging around trying to figure out if there was one story that I had written that had really tipped the balance. And I found it. And I wanted to tell you this story, because it sort of fits into the theme that we're going to talk about tonight. I think I was fifteen, I was working for my high school paper, and I was writing editorials. This sounds silly now that I think about it, but I had written an editorial against the drill team that we had for the high school games, for the football games. This was '71 or '72, at the height of the protests against the Vietnam War, and I was in school then in suburban Indianapolis -- Dan Quayle country. So, you get the idea of the flavor of the school system. They thought it was a cool idea to dress women up in military uniforms and send them out there to twirl rifles and battle flags at halftime. And I thought this was sort of outrageous, and I wrote an editorial saying I thought it was one of the silliest things I'd ever seen. And my newspaper advisor called me the next day and said, "Gosh, that editorial you wrote has really prompted a response." And I said, "Great, that's the idea, isn't it?" And she said, "Well, it's not so great, they want you to apologize for it." [Laughter from the audience.] I said, "Apologize for what?" And she said, "Well, the girls were very offended." And I said, "Well, I'm not apologizing because they don't want my opinion. You'll have to come up with a better reason than that." And they said, "Well, if you don't apologize, we're not going to let you in Quill Scroll," which is the high school journalism society. And I said, "Well, I don't want to be in that organization if I have to apologize to get into it." [More laughter from the audience, scattered applause.] They were sort of powerless at that point, and they said, "Look, why don't you just come down and the cheerleaders are going to come in, and they want to talk to you and tell you what they think," and I said okay. So
Re: [CTRL] JONATHAN POLLARD WAS NO JEWISH PATRIOT
-Caveat Lector- MARK wrote: -Caveat Lector- America did NOT go to war to defend England, rather, they went to war to protect the globe from the threat of Nazism, and overthrow Hitler and his Third Reich. Many Americans supported Nazism. Many in high government positions protected Nazis. The World War is good for business. But America's ties were to the English elite even more than to the German elite. In WWI and WWII we went in to save the Brits' sorry asses. Especially WWI. Wall Street backed the Brits and stood to lose much money if the Brits couldn't pay back Morgan's private loans to England for arms. Morgan got Wilson to get us into the war on Britain's side. Joshua2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Constantine's Response to Robin Ramsey
The full piece by Alex Constantine is listed at the bottom for your viewing. I only choose to respond to a particular part dealing with me. Ramsey's support of Kasten largely depended upon a reference from Robert Sterling, editor of The Konformist newsletter. In a January 20, 1999 telephone conversation with Sterling, he informed me that he had "lied" to Ramsey about Kasten, that he, in fact, has no confidence in her credibility, and that she was quite probably planted among the victims of mind control experimentation to provoke conflicts. Sterling had "lied," he explained, because he did not want his valid criticisms of her to haunt him in the future. That is, he fears a backlash from Ms. Kasten and so failed to speak his mind. First, let me explain that I would rather not be writing this, but clearly I am left with no option. Otherwise, opinions will be attributed to me that I do not have, either personally or publicly. Though I think Alex honestly was trying to convey what he heard, clearly the message that was transmitted does not accurately reflect my own personal opinions. I take full responsibility for my inability to state what I wanted to. The truth is, I called Alex Constantine that night to clarify certain things in his earlier draft sent to Kenn Thomas, as well as to help clear the air between Alex and Kenn (since Kenn, like myself, really respects and admires Alex's work.) Needless to say, this was a big fucking mistake. I have only muddied the waters, and I realize I have NO business getting involved in this thing further. And it seems wherever I have tried to help this situation, I only make it worse. Therefore, I'm outta here. He who runs away today can walk away tomorrow. Before I run away, though, let me clarify what I believe was said: to begin with, I thought I had made it clear that anything I did say in our conversation was between me and him. He insists I didn't make that clear, which is why he has included statements he attributes to me. Further, I do not believe I said I "lied" to Robin Ramsey. Alex insists that is a direct quote. I will not argue with him on this, but if I did say that, it was a terrible choice of words, since I did not lie to Robin at all. What I was trying to say is I kept my private opinions to myself, which is something that I do quite regularly. I also do not think that Kathy Kasten is a plant, though I did state, after he listed some claims of others and reasons why he believes she is, that he made some good points, and I respected his opinion. Quite the opposite, personally I think she is working on her own on her independent crusade, right or wrong. As for my personal opinions of Kathy's story, well, I do have doubts on her story, doubts that are based on questions that I feel unneccesary to point out. I have told her many of my objections, and that is between me and her. But where I agree or disagree with her opinions is unimportant, just as my own private disagreements with Kenn, Robin, and Alex (or anyone else) are unimportant, unless I choose to make them public. The fact is, whether I agree or disagree on certain things she writes, I found "Voices In My Head" to be something that was thought-provoking enough to print in The Konformist. Apparentally, many agree, as it has been one of the more popular pieces on the site. Again, let me add that I do not mean by my objections here to state Alex is false in the above: however, I know that how he presents my statements would not fairly characterize my views. However, let me add one more thing: I have now informed Alex Constantine that anything that I did say to him was private, and I want it to remain private. I don't need anyone telling people what my opinions are: I can do that fine by myself, thank you very much, and apparently do a much better job at it than he does. I imagine that Alex will show enough wisdom to respect my requests. However, hypothetically speaking, if he were to continue attributing statements to me, I would not respond to them. Let me just state here what my blanket statement would be if he hypothetically continued to attribute quotes to me: either what he is saying is false, in which case he is a liar, or it is true, in which case he is a back-stabbing fink. Neither is a particularly virtous attribute. I say hypothetically here, however, because I am convinced Alex is a better man than that, and would show much greater wisdom. I have trouble imaging him doing something so inherently foolish, reckless, and self-destructive. I suppose, however, I could be wrong. Robert Sterling Editor, The Konformist http://www.konformist.com Subject: Response to Robin Ramsey From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alex Constantine) Date: 1/21/1999 3:43 PM Eastern Standard Time Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Note: The Steamshovel Web site recently featured an article on mind control written by Robin Ramsey, in which I am taken to task for finding the CIA complicit in
[CTRL] Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit ...
-Caveat Lector- From wsws.org WSWS : News Analysis : North America "Out of Sight, Out of Mind?" Report on the Criminalization of the homeless in the US By Andrea Grant-Friedman 22 January 1999 In 50 major cities in the United States--in places as distant as Fresno, California and Buffalo, New York--for the past several years city legislators have expended concentrated efforts to mobilize the legal system in the service of various "urban renewal" projects. One goal of such activity has been the attempt to physically remove a very visual urban "blight"--the homeless. Yet coming in a period dominated by the gutting of social services for the poor, what has resulted can only be described as the victimization of the most impoverished segment of the population in a manner reminiscent of a Dickens novel. The January 1999 report released by the National Law Center on Homelessness and Poverty, "Out of Sight, Out of Mind?" documents this process of criminalization in 50 urban centers across the US. In terms of housing provisions alone, virtually none of the cities surveyed come close to providing enough emergency shelter beds or transitional housing slots to accommodate the homeless populations. For example, in New York City there are an estimated 27,000 to 81,000 homeless. At the end of 1998, however, shelters provided only 5,500 beds. In the face of nonexistent resources, the homeless population literally has no place to go other than the streets. Yet it is on the streets that city officials nationwide are waging the most ruthless campaign against the homeless, a campaign that aims to stamp out homelessness by stamping out the homeless themselves. The NLC report identifies a series of processes occurring throughout the country placing restrictions on necessary life activities such as sleeping or sitting in public places, extensive limitations on panhandling, using police "sweeps" in order to remove enclaves of homeless people from certain areas, as well as specifically targeting homeless people for the infraction of laws that are generally applicable to the population at large. Take, for example, the recent situation in Chicago. "In December 1997, police did a sweep of Lower Wacker Drive when President Clinton visited the city, during which the police threw away the property of many homeless people. Since that sweep, police continue to sweep Lower Wacker Drive, acting under the guise of cleaning, and simply take and destroy the property of any homeless people in the area. In the past they gave warnings that the area was going to be cleaned, but since December they have given no warnings." This situation is by no means limited to this Midwestern city. The NLC reports on conditions in Cincinnati, Ohio: "City officials see homelessness as a situation brought about by the person himself or herself rather than by economic circumstances beyond their control. Cincinnati has designated the Rhine community as an exclusion zone which targets homeless and other poor people. If you are simply charged with a crime in the exclusion zone, not even convicted, you are not allowed to go back to the zone unless you are a resident, including residents of the homeless shelter, of that zone." Traveling to Austin, Texas one would find that the fine for camping in public increased during the past two years from $200 to $2,000. How exactly individuals who cannot afford to eat on a daily basis are expected to pay fines in a sum greater than a month's earnings at the minimum wage is difficult to imagine. However it is such policies, coupled with outright jail sentences for other infractions, that lead a substantial portion of the homeless population to make their way through the criminal justice system. The NLC report is quick to point out that there is no environment less suited to deal with problems of the homeless than city jails. "In addition to the fact that the criminal justice system does not, and possibly cannot, provide adequate treatment and rehabilitation opportunities, police officers are not adequately trained to address problems that arise." The problems of homelessness are extending into the population of the working poor as a whole. In the 50 cities studied in "Out of Sight, Out of Mind?" between 17 and 37 percent of the population are unable to afford the fair market rent for an efficiency apartment based on guidelines set by the federal government. In addition, while the US government continually upholds the past year's historically low unemployment rates as a sign of economic and social success, researchers found that individuals employed on a 40-hour a week basis earning the minimum wage would still be unable to afford the most rudimentary housing in any of the cities covered by the report. The same reality holds true for the elderly and the physically or mentally disabled subsisting on Social Security and welfare benefits. The situation described in the NLC report is one that can broadly fall under the
[CTRL] Missile Defense
-Caveat Lector- From Int'l Herald Tribune Paris, Friday, January 22, 1999 U.S. Plan Threatens Moscow Arms Pact Clinton Decision on Missile Defense Could Doom START-2, Russians Say By David Hoffman Washington Post Service MOSCOW - The Clinton administration's decision to move ahead with a national ballistic missile defense system could stifle any last hopes that the Russian Parliament will approve the START-2 strategic arms treaty, Russian specialists said Thursday. The announcement by Defense Secretary William Cohen appeared certain to aggravate relations between Moscow and Washington, which got off to a tense beginning this year with U.S. sanctions against Russian scientific centers, diverging views over Iraq and Kosovo and Russian impatience over Western debt relief and loans. The Clinton administration pledged Wednesday to spend $6.6 billion over five years to field a national missile defense system and said it would seek unspecified changes in the 1972 Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty with Russia. The treaty sharply limits the development of missile defenses. Mr. Cohen said the United States might pull out of the treaty if Russia does not agree to changes. Although it will be years before such a system could be deployed, the announcement nonetheless marked a turning point. Until now, the administration had expressed doubt about whether such a missile defense system was necessary or feasible. Russia has long expressed opposition to any changes to the treaty. The START-2 treaty was close to ratification last year before the attack on Iraq, which triggered a backlash in the lower house of the Russian Parliament, the State Duma, and caused a postponement. The START-2 treaty, which would cut both sides' nuclear arsenals nearly in half, was signed in 1992 and ratified by the U.S. Senate in 1996 but has never been approved by the Duma. President Bill Clinton sent a letter to President Boris Yeltsin warning him of the impending U.S. announcement on missile defense. The initial Kremlin reaction Thursday was low-key, with advisers saying they were studying the letter while Mr. Yeltsin is in the hospital for a stomach ulcer. But several specialists said the move would provoke a negative reaction in Russia. Dmitri Trenin, deputy director of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace Moscow Center, said there was a growing anti-American sentiment, and START-2 ratification could be the first casualty. ''The whole window of opportunity for START-2 that opened up last year has now closed,'' he said. Alexei Podberiozkin, a Communist Party member of Parliament who recently decided to support START-2 ratification, said the U.S. decision to build a missile defense system could be the death knell of the strategic arms treaty. ''Certainly it will make ratification of START-2 impossible,'' he said. ''But we don't know how far this decision goes beyond the ABM Treaty,'' he added. ''It must be studied carefully.'' Paul Podvig, a researcher at the Center for Arms Control, Energy and Environmental Studies in Moscow, said draft legislation in the Duma to accompany the START-2 ratification already stipulated that the United States must stick by the ABM Treaty. ''It will be very difficult to get START-2 ratified if the United States is serious about changing the ABM Treaty,'' he said. ''The reaction to this kind of proposal, from the Duma, politicians, and the military, will be very negative,'' he added. ''When Cohen said that if Russia doesn't play along, we will withdraw - that, in these circumstances right now, is not the kind of statement that will be taken lightly here.'' ''I have an impression that the United States has given up on START-2,'' Mr. Podvig said. ''They see that the chances to get it ratified by the Duma are very small'' and ''that Russia is going to destroy our missiles with or without START-2. They see that Russia is going to reduce anyway, so why worry that much? ''The Duma got as close to ratification as it could'' before the Iraq bombing, he said. ''Everything was more or less in place. I think that somebody in the State Department or the administration should have thought about that, about timing, and they didn't. Which means they just don't care.'' 'Rogue Nation' Threat Cited Dana Priest of the Washington Post reported earlier from Washington: Defense Secretary William Cohen said the missile defense system was needed to respond to a growing missile threat from North Korea and other nations. ''We are affirming that there is a threat, and the threat is growing, and that it will pose a danger not only to our troops overseas but also to Americans here at home,'' Mr. Cohen said Wednesday. Because a workable missile defense system must still overcome daunting technological obstacles, Pentagon officials said a system probably could not be
[CTRL] Fwd: To Rumor Mill Readers: The Chicago Tribune Wants Your Thoughts
Dear Rumor Mill Readers, I have enclosed a letter from Eric Lipton from the Chicago Tribune. I will not interpret his words, I will let him speak for himself. He sounds sincere, which is why I am forwarding his letter to you. It appears the Chicago Tribune is getting ready to do an article on Conspiracy Theories. He wants to know how I got involved in researching conspiracies, and he wants to know why YOU read conspiracies. His email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you feel compelled to share your story with Eric, go ahead and write to him. It will be interesting to see what kind of article he publishes. I am sure he will send me a copy of it, and I will forward it to you. You might want to pick your favortie "Conspiracy Article" and pass it on to him. Thank you, Ru Mills Following: Two letters from Eric, Two responses from RMNews ++ Rumor Mill News Date: 1/21/1999 9:10:23 AM Pacific Standard Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ru Mills, How are you? My name is Eric Lipton and I'm an online reporter for the Chicago Tribune. I'm working on an article about the various theories that can be found online regarding "why" the Impeachment proceedings are happening. I've found some of your writings on the Conspiracy Nation website, and would like to include them as examples in my piece. Have you any more to add? (The most recent I've found was the "Final Act in the Bill Clinton Tragedy" story). Also, if you've time to reply, either by phone or online, I'd be curious to learn more about your investigation, why you publish online, and if you've found it an effective means to publish. I'll of course respect your privacy, and your nom de plume. Thanks for your time, Eric Lipton Internet Producer Tribune Interactive Re: Rumor Mill News Date: 1/21/1999 4:30:36 PM Pacific Standard Time From:Ru Mills To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Eric, What kind of questions do you have? Are you planning to make all conspiracy researchers out as nut cases? Where is it going to be published? Yes, I have found the internet to be an extremely good way of getting information out to the maximum number of people. People who are online and subscribe to my reports genuinely want to know what is going on. I have received no new information since I put out an article shortly before the trial began. Yes, I have a lot of theories as to what is happening. But I also see the two sides at work... behind the scenes... and until the last act of the play, there is still a chance the President will be able to slip through... no matter what kind of games go on behind the scenes. I have been around long enough to understand the games that are played in DC. the Clinton imperial presidency is merely a continuation of the Bush agenda... and if George Jr., elected we will have even more of a One World Government agenda. We are very close to losing our Constitution right now through the illegal treaties that Clinton has signed with the United Nations. If you really want to learn what conspiracy researchers know I can give you the web sites to the ones that I feel are the best. I have had too many hit pieces done about me and my ex husband by the Chicago Tribune... so, needless to say, I am reluctant to waste my time with you if you do have an agenda. If you are seriously wanting to understand why so many people are giving up newspapers in favor of online information, I will work with you. The ball is in your court. Ru Mills Re[2]: Rumor Mill News Date: 1/22/1999 6:48:16 AM Pacific Standard Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those are very valid questions. I'll be perfectly honest, and understand certainly if you choose not to respond further. My piece, which may or may not run (as the trial may be over very soon) is going to be a relatively "light" feature. As an Internet Journalist, responsible for all the political "chats" for the Tribune TV and newspaper websites, I've heard a lot of theories. I like that Americans are trying to look beyond the mainstream news -- I think that's a good thing -- as long as its responsible. However, my article isn't an investigation into the theories, instead an overview of some alternative views of impeachment. Will it be humorous? Depends, I am at the mercy of my editors, who do want something more interesting to liven up the rather boring coverage. And frankly, some of the theories I've found _are_ nutty -- (just as others are offensive, poorly thought out, barely researched and sometimes racist). However, I've seen some that are interesting, compelling and will probably give people cause, even momentarily, to think from a different angle about a story they've grown very comfortable with. And again, my assignment with this is to give a brief, interesting, overview of as many as I can. The mainstream press has not got the monopoly
Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] Pontificating Big Spooks]]
-Caveat Lector- nurev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/21/99 7:38:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But there's another factor operating in my presence on the list. It is precisely my background in intelligence and related matters that brings me here, *because I know damn well that conspiracies make the world go round. It's not one overarching Illuminati or Luciferian or Satanic or Jewish or Lutheran or any other kind of group behind the scenes; rather, it's a hodge-podge of all sorts of self-defined elites and wannabes, who claim--and maybe believe--that they really do run things... And sometimes they wind up cooperating, sometimes they compete, sometimes they just cancel each other out. And it's virtual places like CTRL that provide the best vantage points from which to observe and study these various conspiracies. I think that the above statement is very accurate. But on a functional level it is irrelevant because you can't identify " them " in a way to actually do something about it. That is why I identify " them " in a practical framework. The thing these elites have in common is that they are RICH. They and their corporate hirelings and political hirelings are what constitutes the Elite. The Power Elite. As differentiated from the Hollywood elite, academic elite, media elite, etc... All the other elites wind up serving the Power Elite because that's where the capital is. All the rest of society winds up serving the Rich because their wealth causes the vital institutions of any society to serve THEM at the expense of everyone else. This is most obvious in the USA. Even the CIA which is ostensibly America's intelligence institution is nothing more than the Power Elite's secret police. They couldn't figure out that the USSR was collapsing, but they really know how to overthrow governments that wish to serve their own people and not foreign corporations. The common denominator is WEALTH. Joshua2 I have absolutely no quarrel with your comment, Joshua. There *is* an overarching "conspiracy" consisting of the Power Elite, the Moneyed Classes, the Plutocracy, the Cryptocracy, the Oligarchy...and all of the little competing elites are part of the broader group. The problem is that some (not all) of them think that they *are* the broader group, or would like to be, and they are forever jockeying for power *within* the Power Elite (might as well use Mills's phrase, it expresses a lot). Much of the confusion we see here on the list about Brits vs. Vatican, Rothschilds vs. Rockefellers, Masons, Priory of Sion, etc., etc., ad infinitumque nauseam, stems from this competition within the Elite. (Of course, a certain amount of the confusion is due to a sizable helping of desinformatsiya...which undoubtedly includes some of the reports about conflicts between conspiracies.) But over and above all other criteria, the one genuine common denominator in all of the conspiratorial elites is, indeed, Wealth. And whenever I hear some pundit nattering on about how individual investment in the stock market means that wealth is evenly distributed, etc., I want to ask, "How much of *your* wealth did you share with the homeless people you stepped over on your way to the studio today?" Call it Wealth, call it Property, call it Mammon, call it The Marketplace...we've put it on a pedestal, erected an altar, and are in the process of sacrificing ourselves to it. Bob = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need
[CTRL] Fwd: [MC] Response to Alex Constantine
My response? Please see the UCLA website for verification of my job position. Before I burned out, after my daughter was murdered in Texas - just as I decided to publish a book written about our experience, I was Staff Liasion between the Human Subject Protection Committee and Principal Investigators. I have documented proof of who I am, what I have been doing with my life since 1989 (after hired by UCLA), and the fact that the taxpayers (through the UC Board of Regents) of the State of California pay my wages. KK -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MC] FW: From Alt.Mindcontrol Date: Friday, January 22, 1999 3:28AM Subject: Response to Robin Ramsey From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alex Constantine) Date: 1/21/1999 3:43 PM Eastern Standard Time Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Note: The Steamshovel Web site recently featured an article on mind control written by Robin Ramsey, in which I am taken to task for finding the CIA complicit in ritual abuse (perhaps he has never heard tell of The Finders, the most widely-publicized instance of RA committed by CIA mind control operatives?) and "alien" abduction (he missed The Controllers?). The following is my response to Ramsey's nonsensical remarks. + Alex Constantine ** MINDCONTROL-L Mind Control and Psyops Mailing List To unsubscribe or subscribe: send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text: "unsubscribe MINDCONTROL-L" or "subscribe MINDCONTROL-L". Post to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wes Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED], list moderator
[CTRL] SkeptiNews 990122b
-Caveat Lector- SkeptiNews 990122b - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question # Papal Blessing Unlikely For Saint Of Narcotics. CULIACAN, Mexico (Reuters) Pope John Paul may not know or approve, but the country where he was due to arrive for a four-day visit Friday has a "Patron Saint of Drug Traffickers" in its panoply of icons. Jesus Malverde, a Mexican-style Robin Hood attracts a following of misfits - see http://nt.excite.com/news/r/990122/11/odd-pope : Do you prefer drugs or saints? Which are more effective, faster, cheaper? # Town Puzzles Over Hole In Iced-Over Lake. ATWATER, Minn. (Reuters) - The fire department in this Minnesota town is investigating what caused a sound like a "sonic boom" and cracked the ice covering Lake Tadd. The hole was roughly 4 feet in diameter at the entry point and surrounded by a starburst pattern, described as "pretty cool." The object may have been hot, melting through the ice in a funnel shape. nt.excite.com/news/r/990122/11/odd-ufo : Is this a small hot UFO landing, er icing? Will Micro-Draco-Borgs [see http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Cafe/5840/AlienTypes2.txt for details] begin the takeover of northern Minnesota now? Is Lake Wobegon at risk? Why? -Ric # FAITH INVADERS. To judge from archetypal images, themes, and characters that populate so many computer games, players remain attracted to the deeper patterns of myth. We are not talking Homer here, or even Beowulf. Taken in toto, the virtual world of gaming resembles some savage disembodied theme park infested by deer hunters, F-16s, and kick-boxing Japanese school girls. And yet the fact remains: the world of computer games is saturated with occult, mythological, and even spiritual themes. At Play On the Screens Of Our Lord - see http://www.feedmag.com/essay/es162_master.html?alert : Is gaming a religion? Is religion a Game? Is software spiritual? Are you? Do you worship your computer, your games, Bill Gates, Duke Nukem, me? -Ric # Large Gene Study Questions Cambrian Explosion - Ancestors of major groups of animal species began populating Earth more than 600 million years earlier than indicated by their fossil remains. This research suggests that animals have been evolving steadily into different species for at least 1200 million years, challenging the Cambrian Explosion theory that proposes the sudden appearance of most major animal groups, known as phyla, 530 million years ago. See http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/01/990121073459.htm : Did life on earth originate from chance, chaos, inevitability, aliens, deities, implantation, malice? How slowly did/will we evolve? Why? -Ric # Climate May Affect Cultural Evolution - Regional climate changes may have helped to shape the evolution of ancient human societies. Like, duh, man - see http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/01/990121163742.htm : Are societies shaped by chance, chaos, inevitability, aliens, deities, malice, weather, fuzzy animals, video games, conspiracies, plagues? -Ric # The Little Engine That Couldn't: Why a 19th-century computer had to wait for the 20th century. IT IS ELEVEN feet long, seven feet tall, and weighs three tons - see http://www.feedmag.com/essay/es160_master.html?alert : Are steam-powered computers better than electronic ones? Are they better for use in cold climates? Are they a not-so-advanced alien technology? -Ric # Y2K: Chip Failures May Thwart Industry Safety Controls - Chemical industry efforts to keep Y2K bugs from shutting down safety controls may be further behind than previously thought, especially at smaller chemical companies. Disaster? http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/01/990122073145.htm : Will Armageddon come in a wave of toxic chemical releases, explosions? -R @ Richard Sauder: Underground tunnels and bases researcher now tackles the realm of consciousness. He talk's about his own Kundalini and Out-Of-Body experiences, and electronic mind-control techniques, devices and patents. So who is using devices that can monitor and alter brain waves remotely, or a "biomagnetic analytical system using Fiber-Optic magnetic sensor," or can induce mental, emotional, and physical states of consciousness. Newest book: "Kundalini Tales". http://www.lauralee.com/audio/01_09_99/hour1.ram http://www.lauralee.com/audio/01_09_99/hour2.ram http://www.lauralee.com/audio/01_09_99/hour3.ram http://www.lauralee.com/audio/01_09_99/hour4.ram : Is your mind electronically remotely controlled? Is that why you've been acting strange lately? Is your implant alien or fibre-optic or magnetic? -R Short takes - science plots: # Fossil Shows Dinosaurs Were "Turbocharged": http://www.anomalous-images.com/news/news319.html # TWA Flight 800: Reasonable Doubt? http://www.anomalous-images.com/news/news318.html # Mir To Unfold Giant Space Mirror That Will Reflect Sun: http://www.anomalous-images.com/news/news317.html # Underground Volcanic Activity Unleashed Martian Floods:
[CTRL] Info on Carville Hoax
-Caveat Lector- Received this back in reply to my inquiry to World Net Daily on the authenticity of the recent news article claiming Carville's arrest for domestic violence: Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 09:29:05 -0800 From: Sarah Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: WJC X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; U) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: sorry -- it's a canular Mike, Yesterday one of our friends here in Sacramento called with this story. He had pulled it off the dejanews.com site, and had e-mailed Joseph about it. I planned to phone some people and check out the newspaper, but about 20 minutes later Jay called again. Someone had called him back and informed him that "canular" is "hoax" in French. True. Lee Canular = the hoax. I spotted a second small jest. Note that at the end an Ami DeCour is said to have contributed to the article. "Ami de cour" means a friend of or in the court." Pretty neat, n'cest pas? Sarah - It was a good hoax and beleivable because it fit the image of the ranting and raving hick that Carville is. -mm ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Patriot Resource Center: http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/6627/ **Live Free or Die!** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Dots Connected Between Clinton, Flynt (fwd)
-Caveat Lector-
DOTS CONNECTED BETWEEN CLINTON, FLYNT
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(CNNS, 01/22/99) -- Information contained in secret FBI files
which are in the possession of the White House cannot be openly
handed to the press. Were the White House to openly do so, in
hopes of tarnishing the reputations of some Republicans now
contending with the Clinton administration, there would be a
backlash against the Clinton White House.
Earlier this year, responding to continual exposes of
questionable conduct by President Bill Clinton, James Carville,
pit bull for Bill Clinton and his entourage, exclaimed, "This
means war!"
As pointed out by "Ru Mills" (pseudonym), "When this White House
says 'war', they mean it."
Former top-level Clinton aide, George Stephanopolous, hinted at
White House strategy likely to be utilized as counter-attack
against Republican opponents: "The Ellen Romesch Strategy."
That strategy would be a mutually assured destruction of
blackmail cards held by each of the opposing political camps.
For example, if the Republicans play a "Jane Doe #5 card," the
Democrats counter with a "Bob Barr extra-marital card." Two
things can happen: (1) all out "war," with an explosion of
scandals and counter-scandals, or (2) a "Mexican stand-off": a
mutually assured destruction of potential scandals causes each
side to hold their fire.
A report in the commentary section of today's New York Post gives
substantive background on characters operating in the Bill
Clinton camp. ("A Vast Left-Wing Conspiracy?" by Sam Dealey.
NYPost, 1/22/99.) The information is tantalizing, and connecting
the dots between the various characters is provocative.
Here, in a nutshell, are the "Cast of Characters":
JAMES CARVILLE: Carville, together with associates Stan
Greenberg and Robert Shrum, have been meddling in Israel's
politics. They seek to influence the upcoming Israeli election
and thereby oust Benjamin Netanyahu, Israel's prime minister, who
is not favored by the Clintonites. ("Bibi Battered By Bill's
Boys' Barbs," NYPost, 1/10/99.) In an apparent counter-move, the
Washington, DC office of Stan Greenberg was recently burglarized,
and then re-burglarized, apparently by forces favoring Netanyahu.
The Clinton/Netanyahu feud is one aspect worthy of notice.
Another tantalizing tidbit, offered by Dealey in his NYPost
article of Jan. 22, 1999, is that Carville is a friend of Larry
Flynt, publisher of Hustler magazine, and that they worked on a
movie together. Flynt may have served as intermediary between
the Clinton White House and the press, when he released
allegations suggesting that Rep. Bob Barr had once had an
extra-marital affair.
STROBE TALBOTT: He is a long-time close friend of Bill Clinton.
Talbott currently is Deputy Secretary of State. According to
Larry Flynt, Talbott "is married to a sister of a very good
friend of mine."
CODY SHEARER: He is Larry Flynt's "very good friend." Cody
Shearer's sister is married to Strobe Talbott. Shearer is "a
former business associate of Terry Lenzner," as well as an old
tennis buddy of Lenzner's.
TERRY LENZNER: He is a private detective, employed by the
Clinton's. Lenzner and others have been sometimes referred to as
"the White House's Secret Police." Lenzner has been on the
payroll of Bill Clinton's personal attorneys since 1994,
according to Dealey's NYPost article.
BROOKE SHEARER TALBOTT: She is married to Strobe Talbott.
Brooke has been close friends with Hillary Clinton since their
college days. Brooke used to work for private eye Terry Lenzner.
DEREK SHEARER: He is brother of Brooke and Cody Shearer. Derek
is an old Oxford chum of Bill Clinton. Currently, Derek Shearer
is U.S. Ambassador to Finland. Before that, he worked in the
U.S. Commerce Department, during the Clinton administration.
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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Lott, Barr, and the CCC [Think KKK]
-Caveat Lector- Debating the ethics and treachery of parties and bystanders of a conflict decided nearly a century and a half ago is fun but rather pointless. The results of this and related conflicts are notable, however. In Kevin Phillips new book, THE COUSINS' WARS: Religion, Politics, and the Triumph of Anglo-America [Basic Books: 1999], he looks at the links between three great Anglo-American fratricidal conflicts: the English Civil War, the American Revolution, and the American Civil War. His analysis: "On one side, in each war, were the constituencies of commerce, industry, the maritime sector, the centers of immigration, the principal cities, evangelical religion, and the proselytizing middle class. On the other side was landed agriculture, with its feudal remnants and servitude, its hierarchical and liturgical religion, and its greater ratios of horsemen, soldiers and cavaliers. At a certain point in each nation's history, it was a necessity - perhaps it was also destiny - for the former to push aside the latter." For a less-than friendly review, with excerpts, see: www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1999-01/17/034l-011799-idx.html In discussions, Phillips also notes that impeachments tend to cluster at these times, which hints that current events reflect a similar if less bloody conflict. Anyway, the failed Confederacy, like the old English monarchy, was profoundly anti-democratic, anti-entrepreneurial, and non-competitive in a world of increasing complexity commerce. Flop. Like communism, if it was viable, it would have survived. It didn't. Flop. Live with it, eh? Cheers --Ric * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://www.sonic.net/~ric * ICQ# 19633976 * * *** SkeptiChat: sliding down the razor-blade of life *** now featuring SkeptiNews: All The News That's Fit To Question email INFO or SUBSCRIBE SKEPTICHAT to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Clinton Plans Campaign Against Cyber, Bio-Terror (Reuters)
-Caveat Lector- Clinton Plans Campaign Against Cyber, Bio-Terror WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Clinton asked the U.S. Congress Friday for $2.8 billion to defend against the threat of terrorism by chemical and germ warfare and attacks on computer networks. ``If we prepare to defend against these emerging threats, we will show terroristst that assaults on America will accomplish nothing but their own downfall,'' Clinton said in a speech at the National Academy of Sciences. Clinton said his proposed budget for the 2000 fiscal year starting next Oct. 1, which he is to present to Congress on Feb. 1, will include requests for $2.849 billion for the effort. That breaks down to $1.46 billion for computer security and critical infrastructure protection, and $1.385 for domestic readiness against an attack with weapons of mass destruction, both of them hefty increases over the current budget. The budget request also proposes over $7 billion for conventional counter-terrorism security programs. Clinton described a world of nightmarish terror scenarios involving nerve gas and germ attacks found until now only in thriller novels. There is the threat of computer hackers breaking into sensitive government and business computer networks, stealing and destroying information, raiding bank accounts, running up credit card charges, extorting money by threats to unleash computer viruses. He said the threat was made clear last spring when a satellite malfunctioned, disabling pagers, automatic money machines, credit card systems and television networks around the world. An ice storm in the Washington area a week ago plunged tens of thousands of homes into darkness and disrupted subway traffic and road signals. `We have to be ready for adversaries to launch attacks that could paralyze utilities and services across entire regions,'' he said. Clinton said a small band of terrorists would have the potential to unleash chemical or biological weapons against an unsuspecting public, like the nerve gas attack in the Tokyo subway in March 1995 by members of a cult. ``We have to be ready for the possibility that such a group will obtain biological weapons,'' Clinton said. ``We have to be ready to detect and address a biological attack promptly before the disease spreads.'' Clinton pledged an aggressive effort against the threat but said the United States would remain committed to upholding privacy rights and other constitutional protections. ``It is essential that we do not undermine liberty, in the name of liberty,'' he told an audience of about 150 people. Clinton would spend $52 million to continue procurement of a national stockpile of specialized medicines to protect the civilian population, $611 million for training and equipping emergency personnel in U.S. cities, and planning and training for weapons of mass destruction contingencies. Another $206 million would go toward protecting U.S. government facilities, and $381 million for research and development for vaccines against chemical and germ weapons, new therapies, detection and diagnosis, and decontamination. Of the $1.464 for computer security and protection of critical infrastructure, about $500 million will help fund an intensive research effort to detect intruders trying to break into critical computer systems. It will also help develop detection networks, first for the Defense Department, so when one critical computer system is invaded, others will be alerted instantly. The effort will also create information centers in the private sector so that U.S. industries can work together and with the government to address cyber threats. And it will help develop a ``Cyber Corps Program'' to bolster the government ranks of highly skilled computer experts by training and retraining computer specialists and hiring gifted young people out of college. = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used
[CTRL] Is Hillary in a New York State of mind?
-Caveat Lector- from http://www.phillynews.com/daily_news/99/Jan/22/national/hill22.htm Is Hillary in a New York State of mind? by William Bunch Daily News Staff Writer Will the moving vans pull up to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue some fall day in 2000, destined for a one-bedroom apartment on Manhattan's Upper West Side with a view of the park? Does she have more political cojones than New York City's ever-cranky, tough-on-criminals-and-squeegie-men mayor, Rudy Giuliani? Or, in the end, will 200-point headlines in the New York Post doom Hillary Rodham Clinton? It's America's hottest political rumor of 1999: That not long after her husband is -- presumedly -- cleared in his impeachment trial, the first lady will board the Metroliner for New York State, to run for the seat of retiring U.S. Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan. It seemed far-fetched when New Jersey Sen. Robert Torricelli first let the idea slip out a couple of weeks ago. But fawning talk from Democratic Party leaders in New York and a surprisingly weak denial from Clinton's press office have fueled the rumors. So did the surprising early withdrawals of two potential strong rivals, U.S. Housing Secretary Andrew Cuomo and state Comptroller Carl McCall, New York's highest-ranking black official. Will it really happen? Cindy Adams, the New York Post gossip columnist who's been known to lunch with the first lady on occasion, this week quoted a reliable source, a major political fund-raiser, as "99.9 percent certain" that she will jump into the race. But one of the Beltway's top pundits, political scientist and CNN commentator William Schneider, is dubious. "Does she really want to stay in Washington?" asked Schneider, referring to the nightmare of prosecutor Kenneth Starr's seemingly endless investigations of her and her husband and the president's impeachment. "Does she really want to be part of the Senate? After eight years of this, she'll decide that enough is enough." Still, Schneider and others say they can understand why Hillary Clinton doesn't want to spike the rumor just yet -- because it encourages talk of the politically popular first lady as an independent, ideas-oriented leader, and not as a victimized wife. "She's probably flattered to some degree," agreed Neil Oxman, the Philadelphia-based Democratic political consultant. "But I don't think it's something that's going to happen." Oxman agreed with what some of the first lady's close friends were saying anonymously last week: That while her future probably is in public life, she would be much happier and better suited to serve in a less partisan post, as a college president or ambassador to the United Nations. "She'd be a great U.N. ambassador, like Eleanor Roosevelt and the work that she did for the United Nations," Oxman said. Clinton's spokeswoman said only that she "has no plans to run for elective office" -- a statement many interpreted as a non-denial denial. Some have also suggested that the first lady might someday run for the Senate from Illinois, the state where she was born and raised, or from California, another state where she and her husband have proved popular. But the political planets will never line up again like they have in New York in 2000 -- the state's first Senate race without an incumbent since the 1950s. Most states have strict residency requirements for candidates and, more importantly, political taboos against outside candidates (the latter are instantly labeled "carpetbaggers"). But not New York. The law says candidates need only rent an apartment in the state by Election Day. Indeed, the very slot that four-term incumbent Moynihan is sacrificing in 2000 has a long history of successful candidates with only the loosest of ties to the Empire State. The tradition started in 1964 when Robert Kennedy -- long registered in his native Massachusetts -- ousted a Republican incumbent, at a time when the nation was still awash in grief for his brother John F. Kennedy, assassinated 12 months earlier. In 1970, after Robert Kennedy himself was slain, the seat was won by conservative James Buckley -- the brother of right-wing columnist William F. Buckley and a Connecticut resident before the election. While Moynihan, who defeated Buckley in 1976, was a native of Manhattan's Hells Kitchen, he had lived most of his adult life away, as a Harvard professor and Washington bureaucrat. James Hilty, the Temple University professor who recently penned a biography of Robert Kennedy, "Brother Protector," noted that despite the Kennedy charisma, RFK won New York narrowly in 1964. "Hillary Clinton -- I don't know if she has the same sort of magnetism," Hilty said. Most experts agree that in the unlikely event that Hillary Clinton did decide to run, she'd face a much larger obstacle than residency. That would be New York's tough-on-crime and popular mayor, Rudolph Giuliani. Forced to leave office by the end of 2001 by a new term-limits law, and with Republican
[CTRL] Gambian President Backs Female Genital Mutilation
-Caveat Lector- Gambian President Backs Female Genital Mutilation Africa News Service 22-JAN-99 BANJUL, Gambia (PANA, 01/22/99) - Women activists campaigning against Female Genital Mutilation in Gambia are vowing not to be intimidated to abandon their onslaught against the painful practice. The women were reacting to Tuesday's speech by President Yahya Jammeh that those who were campaigning to eradicate the practice were, including Islamic scholars, were "enemies of Islam" seeking to undermine the religion and African culture. Speaking to muslim leaders after prayers making the end of Ramadan, Jammeh had said "FGM is part of our culture and we should never allow anyone to dictate to us how we should conduct ourselves." To him, there must be some ulterior motives for the West to single out FGM and put in a lot of money for for its elimination, while ignoring several other factors affecting the health of women, such as skin bleaching. Jammeh's stance puts him on a collision cause with women's organisations campaigning against the practice, which is widely used in Gambia. His statement came a few weeks after the practice was outlawed in neighbouring Senegal. It also contradicts the declaration by the WHO Regional Director for Africa, Dr Ebrahim Malick Samba, a Gambian, who told a recent seminar in Banjul that FGM was "unnecessary and a health hazard." He called on the government to ban the practice. What is interesting is that the Gambian vice president, Mrs Issatou Njie-Saidy, who is also minister of health and women affairs, is among the staunch campaigners against FGM. Gambians are watching how the whole debate would proceed from now. Jammeh's speech has evidently disappointed most of the anti-FGM campaigners, particularly the Gambia Committee Against Harnful Traditional Practices, which condemned it as unfortunate and retrogressive. A spokesperson of the committee said the time had come for the government to clarify what had become of all the protocols and agreements it had signed with several UN agencies purporting that it was bent on eliminating the harmful practice. She also called for clarification on what would happen to the plan of action for the elimination of FGM, which was recently formulated by the health ministry. "Whose word should we believe; the president's or the vice president's who has recently made a public declaration supporting the campaign for the elimination of the practice?" she asked. The spokesperson said the committee would not relent in its campaign for the elimination of the practice. "Our consent is clear and no amount of condemnation would make us retreat," she stressed. She appealed to national organisations interested in the welfare of Gambian women and children to take up the issue with the government. FGM is practiced in at least 26 African states. By Demba Jaw, PANA Correspondent = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] India: Hindu Body Wants Ban on Religious Conversion (Reuters)
-Caveat Lector- India: Hindu Body Wants Ban on Religious Conversion Reuters 22-JAN-99 NEW DELHI, Jan 22 (Reuters) - A Hindu group at the centre of allegations over recent violence against Christians in western India said on Friday there must be a ban on religious conversions. "There should be a complete ban on religious conversions," leaders of the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (World Hindu Council) said in a memorandum addressed to Indian President K.R. Narayanan. VHP leaders have repeatedly denied allegations that the group was involved in attacks on Christian institutions and individuals in the western province of Gujarat but said they were opposed to forced conversions to Christianity. In the memorandum they said the federal government must order an inquiry into the violent incidents in the Dangs district of Gujarat where Christians have been targeted since Christmas Day. "The incidents in December in Gujarat were a reaction toChristian missionaries' attempts to convert tribals either forcibly or by misleading them through greed," the VHP said in the memorandum. Christian activists and church leaders stress they are only helping the poor find better lives and conversions can only be done willingly. Copyright 1999 Reuters Limited.All rights reserved. = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Contrails Mystify, Sicken Americans
-Caveat Lector- At 07:22 AM 1-21-1999 PST, "freestone wilson" wrote: is this a by-product of JET fuel being burned?? I would like to read more about this...is there any place on the net where this is discussed??!! Re: Contrails Mystify, Sicken Americans for updates, see: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Keep/4885/contrails.htm --- Forum: alt.conspiracy Author:Randy Sweeney [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 1999/01/01 Subject: Re: Airforce Spraying Public With Chemicals --- snip On 9-18-97, Jerry Newport [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LINES IN THE SKY ARE IDENTIFIED!! SAMPLES Are ANALYZED!!! The lab director of Aqua-tech Environmental using samples taken from JP-8 contaminated fields of Maryland and Pennsylvania, reported today (9/18/97) that ethylene dibromide, otherwise known as EDB, has been the contaminate in the fuel and water samples taken of submitted by farmers, pilots and tanker drivers. EDB is one of the most tightly controlled EPA substances and was banned in 1983 due to its carcinogenieity. EDB is a pesticide that apparently is being placed in the jet fuel and dispersed on a daily, almost non-stop basis in our skies. The lines filling our skies are not contrails. The lines are dispersed and may linger for hours, slowly filtering down to unsuspecting pests, and I guess we're the PESTS. Water samples are contaminated with EDB and crops are dying. EDB is just one more avenue for the NWO folks to starve us to death and make us ill by weakening our already compromised immune systems. Exposure to this toxic chemical may lead to cancer, liver and kidney damage, pulmonary edema, damage to a developing fetus and reproductive organs of both men and women. Let's not forget that the chemical may also cause sterility. Doesn't that fit into their plan for population control? They have really found the perfect chemical. EDB is a carcinogen and a mutagen that may also cause eye and skin irritation, cardiopulmonary arrest, and binds to DNA. Skin blisters and respiratory failure are other conditions caused by ethylene dibromide. The conditions are too numerous to list but this will give you an idea of problems caused by this chemical. EDB is a carcinogen at any exposure level and humans are more susceptible than animals to the acute toxic affects. This does not mean that it will not kill animals. We have reports from California and Wyoming of the birds dying. Ethylene dibromide was used in leaded gasoline until 1983 to remove lead from engines and was found in engine exhaust This chemical is a heavy liquid with a chloroform-like odor that becomes a gas at temperatures greater than 40 degrees F. The higher the temperature it is dispersed at the more toxic It becomes, therefore dispersing from a jet would be ideal, The compound is stable, meaning it does not easily decompose. .This would account for the substance staying in the sky for long periods of time. EDB is only slightly soluble in water, but dissolves easily in organic solvents. JP-8 Is considered an organic solvent. A water sample from rain would be an excellent way to verify contamination and a fuel sample so much the better. Please note that EDB is a colorless liquid, with a sweet odor, however no smell does not mean you are not being exposed. Substances are also added that counteract the smell. Pilots please note that dispersing JP-8, along with these toxic chemicals is killing people. You are not counteracting any type of biological that has been spread, or any antidote of anytype. REPOST FREELY We now have proof that our goverment is using chemical agents on populated areas they are adding it to military jet fuel. Have you ever looked up at a vapor trail behind military aircraft flying so high a symbol of Americas power. Look again!! Commerical jets also leave a lovely (non-toxic) vapor trail when the heat from the turbines come in contact with the cool air condencing the water droplets into steam. Softly the lines defuse into the blue sky . So what is different about the military aircraft, the answer is simple, It's the Fuel JP-8+100 is some really bad stuff. When you look up over the skys of New York City on a clear, sunny morning you see the military aircraft making patterens across the sky with their vapor trails. The smoke is thick and does not go away. When it comes in contact with the sunlight it turns to a purple color, then desipates into a over cast Purple Haze. So what is this Purple Haze, A fuel sample of JP-8+100 was taken to an independent lab (NON GOVERMENT FUNDED) and broken down. The sample revealed Two toxic substances. 1. Ethlyene Di Bromide 2. Zinc Cloride 1. EDB attacks the Liver , Lungs , and Skin. causeing liver damage, Lung and skin Cancer. 2. Don't know the affects of Zinc Cloride yet.
[CTRL] SkeptiNews 990122c
-Caveat Lector- SkeptiNews 990122c - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question *** Geologists speculate on Noah's flood. NEW YORK (AP) - What?! New scien- tific proof demonstrating that the great biblical Flood really *did* occur thousands of years ago? Such is the sensational but speculative implication in a new book "Noah's Flood: The New Scientific Discoveries About the Event That Changed History" by William Ryan and Walter Pitman. The authors are adjunct geology professors at Columbia U. and senior scientists at Lamont- Doherty Earth Observatory. Geological research does find reason to believe there was indeed a vast, sudden and deadly flood around 5,600 B.C., close enough to the possible time of Noah to fascinate biblical literalists and liberals alike. Till now the best stab at modern scientific corroboration of the Flood was work of British archeologist Charles Leonard Woolley published in 1929. http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2558148188-e9d : Since the Noachian Flood legend was originally Sumerian, predating Hebrew chronicling by a couple millennia, does this evidence verify non-Biblical accounts rather than Judeo/Xian/Muslim doctrines? Does it matter? Really? -R # INTERNET LATEST 'GREAT SATAN'. An Iranian cleric worries that the Net and satellite TV will sink Islam if people are allowed to surrender to their passions. Make more movies with Islamic themes to divert eyes elsewhere - see www.wired.com/news/news/email/explode-infobeat/politics/story/17480.html : Is Islam so strong that media threaten it? Are all faiths and other Games undermined by free communications? Does info.access corrode belief? -Ric # PIRATES SNEER AT INTEL CHIP. A new Intel chip has an electronic identifier which may do everything from making e-commerce safer to killing the thriving pirated software market. Pirates aren't worried. But privacy advocates are. www.wired.com/news/news/email/explode-infobeat/technology/story/17478.html : Are unpiratable, unbreakable, absolutely secure systems possible? Is there a Santa Claus? Is privacy an illusion, a commodity, a process, a drama? -Ric # CANADA'S GRID A-OK FOR Y2K. The Canadian Electricity Association promises a warm and bright Year 2000 for those north of the 49th parallel. Some power stations are already operating in the new century. Turn the clock forward - see www.wired.com/news/news/email/explode-infobeat/politics/story/17467.html : Should Canadians, Alaskans, Scandinavians, Russians greet Y2K in Hawaii, Bermuda, Crete, Sri Lanka, Sumatra? Where will you be at the Millennium? -R *** Anti-cricket campaign called off. BOMBAY, India (AP) - Cricket players from Pakistan flew into New Delhi amid heavy security only hours after Hindu militants called off a violent campaign that had tried to stop their tour. See http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2558142088-967 : Does your religion promote violence at sports events? Is it sporting to be violent at religious events? Would you play a sport amid heavy security? -R *** FDA issues warning on GBL chemical. WASHINGTON (AP) People should not consume a chemical widely sold in health food stores and over the Internet that is linked to one death and 54 cases of severe reactions including seizures and comatose-like states. The chemical - sold as a dietary supple- ment and under half a dozen names including GBL and Blue Nitro - claims to have such effects as building muscle, enhancing sexual performance and red- ucing stress. Instead, GBL can act on the central nervous system to threaten life. See http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2558142728-208 : Does health-food kill? Not everybody, just some? Are chemicals fun? -Ric @ IRISH UFOs: Just as the by-now traditional pre-Christmas rash of Irish UFO predictions had apparently given way to a New Year lull, our blatherbubble has been punctured by a painful article in *The Boston Herald* (of all places)... See http://www.blather.net/archives2/issue2no35.html : Do UFO reports have distinct national characteristics? Do Irish UFOs look/ act/feel/smell/taste/sound different than US, Japanese, Ozzie UFOs? Why? -R # ConGames.Com - news stories related to scams, fraud, and various crimes of deception. This weeks' top stories are: - Italian Lottery Threatens National Scandal - Two Fortune Tellers Arrested In Scam - Foreigners at Taj Mahal Report Food-Poisoning Scams - Couple Accused of Faking Death for Insurance - The Second Time - Woman Bought House On Credit Card Fraud See http://www.congames.com/news.html : What're your favorite religious, political, economic, artistic and other frauds scams cons? Were/are they well-done, inept, fruitful, fun? -Ric Hot Links: @ Biological Parapsychology Unit: http://www.maxpages.com/parapsychology @ UFO database: http://www.multimania.com/coruscant/ @ Insights http://www.fortunecity.com/greenfield/bicycle/69/ @ MAHARISHI INTERNATIONAL COUNCIL OF NATURAL LAW PARTIES NEWS SERVICE:
[CTRL] Earth First Group and NWO
-Caveat Lector- You are correct about the NWO creep. If things continue along their present course then most everyone, in the not-too-distant future, will be shouting HEIL GORBACHEV (who I suspect is waiting in the wings to be the Planetary Emperor). I just read Clancey's latest book RAINBOW 6 and it painted a picture of this Earth First group as "terrorists." How does the actions of the Earth First group assist the NWO agenda? ME On Thursday, January 21, 1999 8:43 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/21/99 11:35:19 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: LYNDA'S COMMENT: Robert does have a point, if only to the extent that the NWO in many respects is already here, and has slithered in through the back door while we were watching football and/or masturbating. But if we subscribe to the gist of his argument, well then damn!... we might as well just bend over for Big Brother right now. Crawl into the closet and cry. Trade in our guns for Wal-Mart gift certificates and raise the white flag of spineless submission. Lynda, Please don't take my comments as targeting you *personally.* My point is that we are already submitting ourselves to the NWO in many areas, and we continue to do so. The NWO bunch is very clever. They know if you roll tanks and put up concentration camps, the American public would REBEL. But if you slip it in gradually taking say 50-100 years to implement your plan, then the people will stand blindly by. In 1913 we implemented a Central bank in the US, 1917 we implemented income tax, 1944 we subverted ourselves to International finance through the Bretton Woods conference, 1945 was the UN just to name a few things of the early years. In more recent years we have submitted ourselves to GATT and NAFTA and of late the World Court. Now that the EU has their own currency, you can bet that business leaders in the US, Canada, and central.south America will be howling about the competition, about how we need one currency to be competitive etc etc. Guess whats going to happen in the not too distant future..which is exactly what the NWO crowd wants. They are working on a so called "asian" type Union (sister to EU and NAFTA), along with plans for one currency and all that. Guess what, you have just converted the world from many countries and many currencys, to three major blocks and three currencys. Once you have accomplished that converting everybody to ONE currency will not be a big deal, although it will probably take place approx 15-20 years after the last of the major blocks converts to their own currency. The enviro's also use this exact process to accomplish their goals. The Earth First gang (who works closely with the NWO gang) has come up with plans to have 48 percent of America to be "human free." One of the people was interviewed said that they realized that their goal will not happen in the short term, but in the long term over 25-40 years (2030-2040) they will accomplish their goal.Well you ask, how would they do that, after all the American public would rise up and fight? No they wouldn't because it was done gradually. Years ago I lived in the Mojave Desert in California. My family and I did all the outdoors kind of stuff, and fought like hell to prevent the government from grabbing our land. So called patriots at the time said "well it will never happen here...blah blah blah. I moved away 20 years ago, and within the past 5 years many of the areas I traveled through/on are now fenced off wilderness. The people in Calif fought the battle and lost and have moved on with their lives. Of late people that I know down there say that the land that is actually open for use, is being used so heavily, it is unbelievable. Guess what is going to be closed next, using the justification that the land is being damaged blah blah. The people that peddled the wilderness areas in the first place had the goal of sealing off the entire desert BUT they couldn't do it all at once, so they do it piece meal and get everything they want over a period of 20 years. Our farmers have to submit any trade dispute through NAFTA/GATT. Anytime you ship a "hazardous material", motor oil, hair spray, lube etc, you submit to NWO regulations.When the US shipping regs are changed to the "international" shipping regs, everytime we ship something we are submitting ourselves to the NWO. As long as change comes gradually, people as a whole will not rise up and complain. Speaking of change, what about Hustler being labeled a "news magazine." Thats quite a change from even 5 years ago. While the NWO may indeed be already here to one extent or another, the actual form that it finally takes is far, *FAR* from a foregone conclusion. And furthermore, the form that it finally takes or Tell that to the
Re: [CTRL] Earth First Group and NWO
-Caveat Lector- They don't ... Earth First are cool.The Hurwitz's of the world are the NWO accomplices. D -Original Message- From: Michael Estes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, January 22, 1999 8:50 PM Subject: [CTRL] Earth First Group and NWO -Caveat Lector- You are correct about the NWO creep. If things continue along their present course then most everyone, in the not-too-distant future, will be shouting HEIL GORBACHEV (who I suspect is waiting in the wings to be the Planetary Emperor). I just read Clancey's latest book RAINBOW 6 and it painted a picture of this Earth First group as "terrorists." How does the actions of the Earth First group assist the NWO agenda? ME On Thursday, January 21, 1999 8:43 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/21/99 11:35:19 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: LYNDA'S COMMENT: Robert does have a point, if only to the extent that the NWO in many respects is already here, and has slithered in through the back door while we were watching football and/or masturbating. But if we subscribe to the gist of his argument, well then damn!... we might as well just bend over for Big Brother right now. Crawl into the closet and cry. Trade in our guns for Wal-Mart gift certificates and raise the white flag of spineless submission. Lynda, Please don't take my comments as targeting you *personally.* My point is that we are already submitting ourselves to the NWO in many areas, and we continue to do so. The NWO bunch is very clever. They know if you roll tanks and put up concentration camps, the American public would REBEL. But if you slip it in gradually taking say 50-100 years to implement your plan, then the people will stand blindly by. In 1913 we implemented a Central bank in the US, 1917 we implemented income tax, 1944 we subverted ourselves to International finance through the Bretton Woods conference, 1945 was the UN just to name a few things of the early years. In more recent years we have submitted ourselves to GATT and NAFTA and of late the World Court. Now that the EU has their own currency, you can bet that business leaders in the US, Canada, and central.south America will be howling about the competition, about how we need one currency to be competitive etc etc. Guess whats going to happen in the not too distant future..which is exactly what the NWO crowd wants. They are working on a so called "asian" type Union (sister to EU and NAFTA), along with plans for one currency and all that. Guess what, you have just converted the world from many countries and many currencys, to three major blocks and three currencys. Once you have accomplished that converting everybody to ONE currency will not be a big deal, although it will probably take place approx 15-20 years after the last of the major blocks converts to their own currency. The enviro's also use this exact process to accomplish their goals. The Earth First gang (who works closely with the NWO gang) has come up with plans to have 48 percent of America to be "human free." One of the people was interviewed said that they realized that their goal will not happen in the short term, but in the long term over 25-40 years (2030-2040) they will accomplish their goal.Well you ask, how would they do that, after all the American public would rise up and fight? No they wouldn't because it was done gradually. Years ago I lived in the Mojave Desert in California. My family and I did all the outdoors kind of stuff, and fought like hell to prevent the government from grabbing our land. So called patriots at the time said "well it will never happen here...blah blah blah. I moved away 20 years ago, and within the past 5 years many of the areas I traveled through/on are now fenced off wilderness. The people in Calif fought the battle and lost and have moved on with their lives. Of late people that I know down there say that the land that is actually open for use, is being used so heavily, it is unbelievable. Guess what is going to be closed next, using the justification that the land is being damaged blah blah. The people that peddled the wilderness areas in the first place had the goal of sealing off the entire desert BUT they couldn't do it all at once, so they do it piece meal and get everything they want over a period of 20 years. Our farmers have to submit any trade dispute through NAFTA/GATT. Anytime you ship a "hazardous material", motor oil, hair spray, lube etc, you submit to NWO regulations.When the US shipping regs are changed to the "international" shipping regs, everytime we ship something we are submitting ourselves to the NWO. As long as change comes gradually, people as a whole will not rise up and complain. Speaking of change, what about Hustler being
[CTRL] Fwd: CARVILLE STORY BOGUS.....
I AM FORWARDING THE FOLLOWING EMAIL You can read what he says simply put, he checked out the story... which is more than I did before I passed it on... he checked the paper, the police, the detective... all are bogus... This is a good lesson for us all. Just because something sounds like it could very well be true, it doesn't mean we should pass it on without checking further. I should have checked this myself. I apologize For those of you who saw Primary colors with John Travolta... do you remember how Travolta's character was able to get his arrest expunged from his record? If the Travolta character could do this, I expect James Carviell is capable of doing almost anything. I wouldn't put anything past James Carville. I wouldn't put this bogus story past him. It is possible that James himself is behind the story. He could have put it out to try to discredit all of us internet right wing conspiracy nuts. He could have put it out to cover up something that is about to break in the press. If such a "domestic vilence" story does break, then the waters will be so murky than no one will be able to sort things out. Feel free to make the phone calls to the appropriate places and see what you can find out. Also... do what I am doing and forward out the retraction to everyone you sent the story to. We HAVE to be more responsible than the mainstream press. We when make a mistake or send out wrong information we have to correct itALL of us. How else can we think we are better that the controlled media? Rayelan Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from rly-zc05.mx.aol.com (rly-zc05.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.5]) by air-zc02.mail.aol.com (v56.24) with SMTP; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 12:09:08 -0500 Received: from intergate.etsc.net (intergate.etsc.net [205.231.182.2]) by rly-zc05.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id MAA24301 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 12:09:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from etsc.net (72.etsc.net [205.231.182.172]) by intergate.etsc.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA06196 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:08:23 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:09:45 -0700 From: "Clayton R. Douglas" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: The Free American X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: James Carville arrested for Domestic Violence References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Checked this story out. It is bogus. There is no such paper, no such court, no such cop. Clay Douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Subject: Fw: Carville Arrested!!! Out On Bail. (fwd) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 19:18:42 -0600 (CST) From: Brian Redman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Rayellen Russbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 21 Jan 1999 04:25:30 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (PowerLib) wrote: White House Political Advisor Accused of Domestic Violence The Montgomery County Ledger By Lee Canular, 20-January-1999 Wednesday ROCKVILLE, MD -- James Carville, vocal supporter and confidant of President Bill Clinton, reportedly spent last Monday night in the Montgomery County Jail after he was arrested on suspicion of firing a gun into a sofa and repeatedly plunging a knife into a wall during a fight with his wife in their suburban home here earlier that evening, according to local police sources. Rockville police said neighbors called them to the Carville home at about 6:40 p. m. Monday evening after hearing gunshots. Carville, an internationally known political consultant and Democrat Party campaign manager, allegedly had twice discharged a Glock nine millimeter semi-automatic pistol inside the home, damaged a living room wall with an oversized hunting knife, threatened the life of his wife, radio talk show host Mary Matalin Carville, and used physical force against her. Rockville police subsequently took him into custody on suspicion of domestic violence and brandishing a weapon, both misdemeanors. He was also charged with discharging a firearm in a negligent manner, a violation which could be prosecuted as a felony. Carville, 54, apparently was not shooting at his wife when he twice fired at the couch, although she was in the room at the time, said Rockville Police Lt. Bobby Masters. The woman was not injured, Masters noted, and it did not appear that the safety of the couple's two young children was ever jeopardized. Masters also indicated that officers confiscated the handgun, as well as the hunting knife, two shotguns, and an AR-15 model semi-automatic assault rifle, and are holding them as evidence as their investigation continues. The pistol firearm, which has no serial number, is
[CTRL] Fwd: More on Bogus Carville Story from Geoff Metcalf
FYI Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 12:18:02 -0800 From: Geoff Metcalf [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jose Sheryl Gomez [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Gomez, Jose J." [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jim Eason [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Fwd: Fwd: Trouble in Paradise?] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="5BBA9137F40A26105AA9A6EE" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --5BBA9137F40A26105AA9A6EE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac- creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FYI --5BBA9137F40A26105AA9A6EE Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 09:15:42 -0800 From: Geoff Metcalf [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Fwd: Trouble in Paradise? References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac- creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This story is bullshit. I called the police and two area radio statons. 1. Carville lives in Virginia not Maryland 2. Rockville police don't have officer on staff named in story 3. Police claim it is all rumor only 4. Therre IS no Montgomery County Ledger 5. "Canular" name of author means "joke" in french 6. I spoke with our sister station WMAL in D.C. and they had Carville on the air Listen, I think this is another case of disinformation designed to undermine the credibility of conservative press. There have been others (the Sarah Brady story, the 127 edits of video testimony, the p.o.-ed Clinton storming out of grand jury). Please distrubte this note with the same distribution the bogus story has been floated. --Geoff Metcalf, KSF0 WorldNetDaily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Subject: Trouble in Paradise? Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 00:14:36 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], Worldnet [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unregistered guns? Semiautomatic assault rifles? Shooting into the Sofa? Stabbing walls with a hunting knife? Domestic Violence? Has to be one of those right wing guns nuts.Well, Not exactly White House Political Advisor Accused of Domestic Violence The Montgomery County Ledger By Lee Canular, 20-January-1999 Wednesday ROCKVILLE, MD -- James Carville, vocal supporter and confidant of President Bill Clinton, reportedly spent last Monday night in the Montgomery County Jail after he was arrested on suspicion of firing a gun into a sofa and repeatedly plunging a knife into a wall during a fight with his wife in their suburban home here earlier that evening, according to local police sources. Rockville police said neighbors called them to the Carville home at about 6:40 p. m. Monday evening after hearing gunshots. Carville, an internationally known political consultant and Democrat Party campaign manager, allegedly had twice discharged a Glock nine millimeter semi-automatic pistol inside the home, damaged a living room wall with an oversized hunting knife, threatened the life of his wife, radio talk show host Mary Matalin Carville, and used physical force against her. Rockville police subsequently took him into custody on suspicion of domestic violence and brandishing a weapon, both misdemeanors. He was also charged with discharging a firearm in a negligent manner, a violation which could be prosecuted as a felony. Carville, 54, apparently was not shooting at his wife when he twice fired at the couch, although she was in the room at the time, said Rockville Police Lt. Bobby Masters. The woman was not injured, Masters noted, and it did not appear that the safety of the couple's two young children was ever jeopardized. Masters also indicated that officers confiscated the handgun, as well as the hunting knife, two shotguns, and an AR-15 model semi-automatic assault rifle, and are holding them as evidence as their investigation continues. The pistol firearm, which has no serial number, is believed to be unregistered. After his night's detention, Mr. Carville posted bail on a preliminary charge of domestic violence in the amount
[CTRL] Fwd: VAST LEFT-WING CONSPIRACY
Brian,
Thanks for the following article. Still, I can't find the Smoking Gun on the
connection between Klinton and Flynt, and suspect that the connection may not
be conspiratorial but mutual interests that are not secretive at all. Compare
that to the Peckergate scandal, where Matt Drudge clearly has been fed his
"scoop" from higher up operatives that were using him as a tool. Flynt is a
tool for nobody but himself (as anyone who does business with him will
certainly attest.) Further, if there is a Vast Left Wing Conspiracy, who is
Mr. Big? Larry Flynt? James Carville? These guys are chump change compared
to Richard Mellon Scaife. As the saying goes, "Show me the money."
A sidenote that is quite relevant: I have spoken to Flynt's people at Hustler
over the million dollar offer, as I currently have some rather juicy goods on
a GOP senator sex scandal. My information was received before the Flynt offer
(as well as before Peckergate shot it's wad this summer) and thus was entirely
independent of this. I suspect that this is how the Flynt operation is going:
not from the top down (which is how the VRWC has worked, where Scaife supplies
the funds, Tripp-Goldberg get the ammo, and Drudge spurts out the results) but
the bottom up (individuals, both disgusted by the cynical hypocricy of the
Peckergate Circus and/or lured by shameless greed, tell all to Flynt, who then
uses it to publicize Hustler and thus secondarily defend Slick Willie.)
A little more info: Flynt, as you've detailed in Con Nation, has a history of
hell-raising against the establishment (being a chief promoter of conspiracy
investigation when it wasn't hip), which probably has more to do with his
persecution by Falwell, SL swindler Charles Keating, and the assassination
attempt against him that left him paralyzed (the man who shot him also shot at
Vernon Jordan) than his promotion of ultra-pink beavers. Considering the
harassment he's received from the business establishment and far right for his
mag, I can sympathize with Flynt's decision on who he is in bed with
politically.
Further, as you point out, Carville's Polling/PR Firm has been burglarized
twice in a week. Today, a bogus news story (uncovered as bogus by Clay
Douglas of The Free American) was forwarded by some on the internet -
including yourself in honest error - accusing Carville of domestic violence,
firing a pistol and brandishing a knife during a fight with his wife.
Clearly, both sides in this battle are up to Nixonian Watergate shenanigans
(as I'm sure you're well aware.) Though it isn't popular to say in some
circles, I have a soft spot for ol' serpent head. Political consultants are
the ones that always seem to spill the beans when they leave, which may be why
George Bush's consultant Lee Atwater quickly died of a brain tumor soon after
the '88 election. Keep your eyes - and ears - on Carvile.
One last thing: I'm still waiting for someone else to point out the
signifigance that Bob Barr, the rabid attack dog in this case, is a self-
professed "former" CIA agent.
Thanks,
Robert Sterling
3 Notes:
Note 1:
From Conspiracy Nation News Service
(See supporting article included at end)
DOTS CONNECTED BETWEEN CLINTON, FLYNT
=
(CNNS, 01/22/99) -- Information contained in secret FBI files
which are in the possession of the White House cannot be openly
handed to the press. Were the White House to openly do so, in
hopes of tarnishing the reputations of some Republicans now
contending with the Clinton administration, there would be a
backlash against the Clinton White House.
Earlier this year, responding to continual exposes of
questionable conduct by President Bill Clinton, James Carville,
pit bull for Bill Clinton and his entourage, exclaimed, "This
means war!"
As pointed out by "Ru Mills" (pseudonym), "When this White House
says 'war', they mean it."
Former top-level Clinton aide, George Stephanopolous, hinted at
White House strategy likely to be utilized as counter-attack
against Republican opponents: "The Ellen Romesch Strategy."
That strategy would be a mutually assured destruction of
blackmail cards held by each of the opposing political camps.
For example, if the Republicans play a "Jane Doe #5 card," the
Democrats counter with a "Bob Barr extra-marital card." Two
things can happen: (1) all out "war," with an explosion of
scandals and counter-scandals, or (2) a "Mexican stand-off": a
mutually assured destruction of potential scandals causes each
side to hold their fire.
A report in the commentary section of today's New York Post gives
substantive background on characters operating in the Bill
Clinton camp. ("A Vast Left-Wing Conspiracy?" by Sam Dealey.
NYPost, 1/22/99.) The information is tantalizing, and connecting
the dots between the various characters is provocative.
Here, in a nutshell, are the "Cast of
Re: [CTRL] One More Excuse for Seizure of Property
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/22/99 3:30:51 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Under the forfeiture provision in the city's administrative code, Interesting how a city administrative code supersedes the US Constitution . . . ? Go to sleep . . . its just a bad dream . . . and when one wakens, . . . what shall we find . . . ? Om K DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] One More Excuse for Seizure of Property
-Caveat Lector- Agent Smiley forwarded: The Associated Press NEW YORK (AP) -- Anyone arrested for driving drunk in New York City will have their cars seized and not given back unless they are acquitted of the charges, the police commissioner said Thursday. "There's nothing more serious to the innocent public than people who drive drunk," Commissioner Howard Safir said. snip MJ: What of those elderly and similarly impaired who cannot react or see well? What of those 'exhausted' individuals (recent study) who demonstrate LIKE characteristic to 'drunks'? What of those who should NOT have been licensed in the first place? Why discriminate AGAINST those who CHOOSE to drink? Unless they damage property WHAT crime has been exacted? Regard$, --MJ Government has no other end but the preservation of Property. -- John Locke DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: FeedBack: Birth of The Internet Part 4
FeedBack: Birth of The Internet From: Russel Hoffman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Hi Rob! This tidbit is very little, but somewhat relevant: Last time I was in Europe (1997) a Dutch acquaintance asked me if it were true, as is apparently assumed over in Europe, that our (America's) DoD could shut the 'net down any time they wanted. I replied that I thought that was in all likelihood true, for at least three reasons: First, since probably (these are guesses-- ) at least 10% and maybe still as much as 30% of all traffic still goes through military machines as it travels from point A to point B, they could shut a lot down just by dead-ending all traffic that comes their way. Second, they could, alternatively, flood the system with their own traffic, real or not, to crowd out virtually everything else. And third, they probably know how to write viruses to immobilize it as well. After all, if Robert Tappen Morris, the jerk who shut it down several years ago, could do it and everyone who looked at his code said he wasn't even a very good programmer, imagine what a more intimate knowledge of the system and better programmers could do! There is also the possibility that they have a special bit somewhere that assigns all their traffic a higher priority than everyone else's. I'm not familiar with the actual code or protocols involved, so I wouldn't know if that's so. Of course, in theory they need the Internet to communicate just as much as we do, so the third possibility seems more remote in terms of what they would actually be willing to do, but if they thought it was the source of their troubles, I'm sure they would have no moral objections to destroying this great tool for social change in the time it takes to split an atom. Come to think about it, that's the way they could really kill it. Just set of a nuke in the upper atmosphere or in outer space near Earth, and the Electromagnetic Pulse will fry the whole thing for thousands of miles around, except for the "hardened" computers -- which are all the military's, of course, and no one else's!!! (The EMP, as it's known, would also fry just about every other piece of electronic gadgetry at the same time, whether it's plugged in or not, or even whether it's on or not.) Best Regards, Russell D. Hoffman Owner and Chief Programmer The Animated Software Co. * ** THE ANIMATED SOFTWARE COMPANY ** Russell D. Hoffman, Owner and Chief Programmer ** P.O. Box 1936 ** Carlsbad CA 92018-1936 ** (800) 551-2726 ** (760) 720-7261 ** Fax: (760) 720-7394 ** Visit the world's most eclectic web site: ** http://www.animatedsoftware.com * Robalini's response: The idea of a "shut-off switch" to the internet is a popular theory, and far be it from me to dismiss it out of hand. However, please note (provided, of course, Wes doesn't email me back with yet another glaring error by myself) that if that was the case, it would directly contradict the original purpose of the internet. From "Hasta La Vista, Baby: Judgement Day Is Here!!!": Fast forward to the kold war, and you have, in place of the Vatican and the Templars, the evil kommunists, led by the devious Soviets, and the "free" world, with the good ol' USA in charge, as the world's central powers. And the Pentagon, in full kold war paranoia, are obsessed with the security of their "command center". Namely, how do you protect the war machine from destruction due to a well targeted attack on the information center? After mulling that mind bender over for many years, one man (who, alas, remains nameless) came up with a brilliant answer: you protect the command center by not having one. Rather than having information stored in one centralized location, it was suggested that it be held at multiple decentralized spots. All these spots would then be linked together by an international network. Internet for short. And so began the second great revolution in information distribution in history, one that you are participating in at this moment. How ironic that, like the printing press before, it was an unintended byproduct of the battle for world supremacy, and those who created it weren't even aware of the full implications of the project. As John Lennon said (in his last Playboy interview, before the CIA murdered him) about the development of LSD: "We must always remember to thank the CIA and the Army for LSD. They invented it to control people, but they gave us freedom instead." So you see, the whole idea of having no command center requires there to be no shut-off switch. It would be like, as Dr. Strangelove puts it in Kubrick's masterpiece, having a shut-off switch on a doomsday device. The switch defeats the whole purpose of the project. Still, maybe we're talking about apples and oranges here: perhaps the DOD's section of the net has no command center, whereas the public access area is rigidly controlled.
[CTRL] Fwd: [BIOWAR] Iraq Strikes To Resume 'End of This Month'
Paper Expects Iraq Strikes To Resume 'End of This Month' London Al-Quds al-'Arabi in Arabic 21 Jan 99 p 19 The British and U.S. moves -- both political and military -- have begun, aimed at preparing the ground for new strikes against Iraq now that the undeclared truce imposed by the holy month of fasting has ended. On the military front, the buildup continues and the British aircraft carrier Invincible is expected to reach the region early this [as published] month to join its U.S. counterpart and over 30 warships and naval units. On the political front, U.S. Secretary of State Madeleine Albright's visit to Saudi Arabia and Egypt will be the most important visit because it will define the nature of and the date for the next strikes and define the role of the Arab quarters involved in it. The British Foreign Office yesterday announced that British officials including Defense Secretary George Robertson and Foreign Secretary Robin Cook will make a similar visit to the region after their expected meeting in London with Albright at the end of this month to work out the fine details of the joint move against Iraq. It is no coincidence that U.S. President Bill Clinton announced yesterday that his country intends to change the Iraqi regime and give financial and military support to seven Iraqi opposition factions. It is also no coincidence that British Minister of State for Foreign Affairs Derek Fatchett announced that his government intends to organize Iraqi opposition meetings in London in the coming days. It is clear that the air strikes will resume at the end of this month and early next month, and all the talk about initiatives to ease the embargo imposed on Iraq is purely deception and an attempt to throw dust in the eyes. Fatchett believes that Desert Fox has weakened the regime and believes in the need to discuss the situation with the allies after this operation. What can be understood from the gist of the British minister's remarks is that air strikes are the best way to weaken the regime and that is why he believes that they must resume, and that "legitimate" Arab support for them must be secured. It seems that this task has been entrusted to Albright. It is ironic that the U.S. secretary of state's visit to Saudi Arabia and Egypt next Tuesday should remind us of a similar visit undertaken by former Secretary of State James Baker and former Defense Secretary Dick Cheney, one that led to the arrival of U.S. troops in the Arabian Peninsula in August 1990. It is also ironic that the resumption of the aggression against Iraq will occur during the same period as the first aggression eight years ago, that is the month of February. The web of conspiracy against Iraq and the Arab nation as a whole is being woven with extreme care, and the same goes for the allocation of parts to the colluding Arab governments. The purpose of next Sunday's Arab foreign ministers meeting will not be to express solidarity with Iraq and its people but to bless the new aggression. Editorial Views US -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** BIOWAR-L Biowar/Bioterrorism/Toxins Mailing List To unsubscribe or subscribe: send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text: unsubscribe BIOWAR-L or subscribe BIOWAR-L. Post to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Archive: http://www.sonic.net/~west/digest.htm. BIOWAR Web site: http://www.sonic.net/~west/biowar.htm. -Wes Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[CTRL] Fwd: Mysterious Spraying: Skeptical Review
ON A SKEPTICAL NOTE... In my brief inquiry into possible explanations for the facts outlined in the ENS news reports about mysterious spraying from jets [1], it's my assessment at this time that some innocuous explanations are taking the lead. Here's why: * The major bug I've discovered with the accounts of cobwebs and "angle hair" falling from aircraft and UFOs is that all the accounts I've found have the witnesses claiming that the material "disappears" when they try to collect it! I suppose it could suddenly melt and turn to a gas (as is claimed) whenever people get near it(?!); however, claims that the evidence is gathered by it keeps disappearing before it can be tested is suspect on its face! My request for information about the four samples of "angel hair" ENS reported remains unanswered. I can only assume and hope that, if those samples were taken successfully as indicated, they didn't also disappear. * Spray from aircraft that is said to HAVE been tested [2] is claimed to be jet fuel. Not that dumping jet fuel on people is not bad, but that sounds more like routine pilot-negligence than evidence of a secret operation. * I've also heard talk about photographs and videos of the complex-contrail patterns these jets are said to make, but no such evidence has been presented, and what I have seen presented as evidence are photos showing nothing but an average number of one or two contrails in the sky! But what is more, it turns out that seeing weather-modifica- tion activity is not as unusual as one might assume: * The ENS report cited 11 states wherein witnesses have observed unusual contrail patterns and cloud-seeding-like aerial activity. My Internet searches proved that of those states, 3 have official nonclassified cloud-seeding pro- grams. Also, 6 other states are involved in an open- to-the-public NOAA wether-modification program. In all, I found 10 states involved in nonclassified cloud-seeding programs.[3] Considering you can't find everything after only a few hours of searching the www, it stands to reason that there are probably still more nonclassified cloud-seeding activities around the nation. Of course, based on the military's own information, it stands to reason that classified weather-modification activity are also happening. But the fact that wide- spread weather modification is occurring on an open basis means that witness accounts of activity fitting that profile are not necessarily significant. For me, these facts significantly reduce (but do not elimi- nate) the gravity of the mysterious-contrail case. _ _ [1] Environmental News Service on mysterious spraying: http://ens.lycos.com/ens/jan99/1999L-01-08-05.html http://ens.lycos.com/ens/jan99/1999L-01-12-01.html [2] Contains posts pertaining to the contrail case including a claim that spray samples are jet fuel: http://www.esotericworldnews.com/evenmore.htm [3] Weather-Modification Programs In 10 States: Nevada State Weather Modification Program: http://www.dri.edu/ASC/WxMod/HomePage.html Oklahoma State Weather Modification Program: http://www.hpj.com/wsdocs/jul98/CR150645.HTM North Dakota Weather Modification Project: http://www.swc.state.nd.us/ARB/html/ndcmp.html A Cooperative Atmospheric Modification Program page (http://www.swc.state.nd.us/arb/html/noaamp.htm.html) says: "Presently [1998] six states are participating in the [NOAA weather modification] program: Arizona, Illinois, Nevada, North Dakota, Texas, and Utah." California-based Weather Modification Project: http://www.dri.edu/Projects/Modeling/wxmod.html A Colorado Weather Modification Program is cited: http://www.lubbockonline.com/news/100596/artifici.htm New Mexico's "Llano Estacado Weather Modification program": http://www.cahe.nmsu.edu/pubs/resourcesmag/summer97/planting.html Visit Ian Williams Goddard -- http://Ian.Goddard.net (+) Something can come from nothing, if, and only if, (-) (-) that something is equal to nothing ((-)+(+) = 0). (+) "[I]n any closed universe the negative gravitational energy cancels the energy of matter exactly. The total energy, or equivalently the total mass, is precisely equal to zero." - + - + Dr. Alan Guth (The Inflationary Universe) + - + -
Re: [CTRL] Another busted myth.* Only the good die young.*
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-01-21 22:40:23 EST, you write: WASHINGTON, DC--After decades of waiting, the much-anticipated mass Baby Boomer die-off should finally commence within the next five to ten years, Census Bureau officials said Monday. "I am pleased to announce that it won't be much longer now," Census Bureau deputy director Arthur Clausewitz said at a press conference. "According to our statistics, by 2009, we should see the Baby Boomers start to die off in large numbers. Clausewitz said. " the curtain will at long last fall on what is regarded by many as the most odious generation America has ever produced." What is this? Some sort of "hate mail?" Clausewitz also noted that the cost of caring for the elderly and infirm of the nation's largest demographic group will be enormous. Who does this sorry SOB think has been paying his high government salary, it sure as shit isn't the old farts on social security, nor the Little Baby Gangsters of the current generation. "The selfishness that has been a hallmark of the Boomers will continue right up to the very end, as they force millions of younger Americans to devote an inordinate amount of time and resources to their care, bankrupting the Social Security system in the process," Clausewitz said. "In their old age, the Boomers will actually manage to take as much from the next generation as they did the previous one, which fought WWII so that their Boomer children could have Philco TVs and Davy Crockett air rifles." What a jerk. I this big government hypocrite trying to rewrite history. If Social Security goes bankrupt it will be because it is a pyramid scheme. Government robs us of our money by taxing us "to provide for the elderly" then they spend the excess taxes they collect to promote groth in government rather than putting it in interest earning securities. Theft, pure and simple. The financial sector will also feel the hit, as it is forced to fill some 400,000 high-paying stockbroker and corporate-banking jobs, held for decades by ex-hippies. Yep, they are going to find it hard to fill positions with the dumbed-down hip-hop rap babies who are only interested in "chillin" with their gang members. "It's not exactly clear how, but for the past 40 years, this generation has managed to keep the spotlight on itself," Brown University history professor A. Thomas Raymond said. "The era-defining flower children of the '60s, hedonistic disco-goers of the '70s, BMW-driving yuppies of the '80s and graying private-investor homeowner parents of the '90s all have one thing in common: They're all Boomers." Well Thomas Raymond... what does the "A" stand for in your name, as if I didn't know. Not all boomers were hippies, or yuppies, very few were. Makes Brown University appear not to have the "brightest" professors. Raymond continued. "Thankfully, though, their reign will soon come to an end. It's just too bad so few of them died before they got old." Too bad this "professor" doesn't live in the real world... too bad he wasn't an abortion. Bob Stokes DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] SkeptiNews 990122c
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/22/99 4:10:14 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : Are unpiratable, unbreakable, absolutely secure systems possible? Is there a Santa Claus? Is privacy an illusion, a commodity, a process, a drama? -Ric An interesting question. Does anyone have handy a post from several years ago that said the job of the US Military was to rule the world and that hackers had given the US military communiques that left no doubt in their ability to cripple the US military? Stating that codes were man-made and easy to break. And at this point in time our security is strings of code. Anyone? I got it somewhere in some older files. Om K Om K DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Another busted myth.* Only the good die young.*
-Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] WASHINGTON, DC--After decades of waiting, the much-anticipated mass Baby Boomer die-off should finally commence within the next five to ten years, Census Bureau officials said Monday. "I am pleased to announce that it won't be much longer now," Census Bureau deputy director Arthur Clausewitz said at a press conference. What is this? Some sort of "hate mail?" Who does this sorry SOB think has been paying his high government salary You've been trolled. You fell for it. Gosh, you need more practice. Ric "won't get fooled again" Carter, http://i.am/nutz * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://www.sonic.net/~ric * ICQ# 19633976 * * *** SkeptiChat: sliding down the razor-blade of life *** now featuring SkeptiNews: All The News That's Fit To Question email INFO or SUBSCRIBE SKEPTICHAT to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: CFR Secretaries of Defense
Council on Foreign Relations Secretaries of Defense The National Security Act of 1947 established the office of Secretary of Defense. Since 1947 there have been 19 Secretaries of Defense. At least nine of them have been Council on Foreign Relations and/or Trilateral Commission members. According to Department of the Army Pamphlet No. 525-7-1, The Art and Science of Psychological Operations, "The Secretary of Defense is the principal assistant to the president in all matters relating to Department of Defense, and exercises direction, authority, and control over the department. He serves as a member of the National Security Council. Among the several principal military and civilian advisor and staff assistants to the secretary, his assistant secretary for international security affairs, has major Psychological Operations(PSYOP) related responsibilities."1 President Clinton has appointed three Secretaries of Defense -- William Cohen, William Perry, and Les Aspin. As Under Secretary for International Security Affairs, Lynn Etheridge Davis, has been coordinating Psychological Operations under all three. Davis has been involved with the US intelligence community and a part of every administration from the 70's through the 90's. Davis, Clinton and Perry are Trilateral Commission members. Davis, Clinton, Cohen, and Aspin all belong to the Council on Foreign Relations. Davis published a book titled "The Cold War Begins - Soviet-American Conflict Over Eastern Europe" (1974). Council on Foreign Relations members Warner Schilling, William Fox, Howard Wriggins, Marshall Shulman, and Henry Graff, are acknowledged in the beginning of her book. Davis is also a Vice President at Council on Foreign Relations member David Rockefeller's Chase Manhattan bank. Does Davis help plan Psycho-political operations whose focus is economic warfare? The RAND Institute is a federally-funded Council on Foreign Relations think-tank. Clients, include the Pentagon, the Atomic Energy Commission, and NASA. RAND's Center for Russian and Eurasian Studies, was formerly called RAND/UCLA Center for the Study of Soviet International Behavior. Many RAND studies deal with how to manipulate large groups of people. The Office of the Secretary of Defense sponsors the RAND National Defense Research Institute, headed by Council on Foreign Relations member Michael D. Rich. Fifty per cent of RAND's work is labeled secret. Despite the secrecy governing its activities, RAND has a prodigious outpouring of books, reports, memoranda, briefings, and communications. Joseph Kraft summed up the propaganda effect of this material, "Though little known, RAND has had an enormous impact on the nations strategic concepts and weapons systems, and in one way or another RAND has affected the life of every American family. " Members of the Council on Foreign Relations play a crucial role in RAND's application of strategies and techniques to purposely keep the American public misinformed. In July 1992, the RAND convened a group of outside experts and RAND staff to discuss the problems of peacekeeping and peacemaking in the new world environment brought on by the collapse of Soviet power and the dissolution of the Soviet Union. Dr. Davis, then RAND's Vice President, Army Research Division, prepared a paper setting issues for the group's discussion. The paper was revised and published as a RAND Summer Institute Report titled Peacekeeping and Peacemaking After the Cold War. In the report the word peace is used in an Orwellian doublethink manner. We are told the Secretary General of the UN "defines peace building as post conflict action... The Secretary General has linked preventive diplomacy with preventive deployments of military forces". We learn, "The Secretary General in his Agenda for Peace... emphasizes the need for governments to share information on Political or military situations, and in so doing, he is asking for an expansion of the intelligence sharing... "2 There were thirteen other participants at the RAND Summer Institute Peacekeeping and Peacemaking After the Cold War workshop.At least six belong to the Council on Foreign Relations including: Professor Robert D. Blackwill, Harvard University, Professor Richard Gardner of Coudert Brothers, Mr. James Hoagland The Washington Post, Ambassador Thomas Pickering NEA/INS Department of State, Dr. Enid Schoettle Council On Foreign Relations and Dr. Charles J. Zwick. At least one of the thirteen is connected to the CIA - Professor Thomas C. Schelling University of Maryland. 3 When World War I broke out in 1914, Elihu Root displayed antagonism to Woodrow Wilson's neutrality and was an avid proponent for promoting America's entry into the war, and uncritically backed Allied proposals that American Troops be integrated into British and French armies. When America entered the war in April of 1917 Wilson rejected the notion of having American troops commanded
Re: [CTRL] SkeptiNews 990122c
-Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : Are unpiratable, unbreakable, absolutely secure systems possible? Is there a Santa Claus? Is privacy an illusion, a commodity, a process, a drama? -Ric An interesting question. And probably one of the central quandries of the near future. Consider some technological developments coming up shortly: complete control of the human genome, of human biology. Computing/communication systems with nearly infinite storage, nearly infinite processing power, nearly infinite connectivity. Near-infinite power/fuel/resources. Everything closely meshed. We WILL all be linked in a wireless net, like neurons in a planetary brain, All Watched Over By Machines Of Loving Grace, the Net as a whole monitoring the bioactivity of its component nodes [us] to keep us healthy, alive. To live, will be to be connected. In that kind of environment, privacy is suicide - or secession, escape, expatriation, budding. Will we be a hive-mind, with small dissident cells disconnecting from the main hive to fly off, establishing new hives under other suns? Will individuality be meaningful or possible in a totally-connected world? I dunno. I *do* know that in a short time, the political/religious/economic disputes we now engage in will be about as funny as counting angels on pinheads. We're well prepared to fight past intellectual wars, not future ones. Bother. PS: That was just a taste of SkeptiNews. For more, subscribe. * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://www.sonic.net/~ric * ICQ# 19633976 * * *** SkeptiChat: sliding down the razor-blade of life *** now featuring SkeptiNews: All The News That's Fit To Question email INFO or SUBSCRIBE SKEPTICHAT to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
