Re: [CTRL] FDR- Pearl Harbor and the Holocaust j2

[BB]

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Duh-uh!  Pick on a word, and divert  attention away from the main
point which was that fdr and the fedguv had firsthand reports of massive
deportation, concentration camps, and systematic murder of as many Jews
as the germans could process.

So the word "holocaust" wasn't used in '41  --  SO WHAT??
Does that mean it never happened???  What a clever rebuttal.

Do not lose sight of the fact that Jews were not the only target
of the lunatic's ethnic cleansing.  Germans other than Jews -
"undesirables" such as cripples, victims of MS and ALS, the
mentally ill and retarded all qualified, as well as "gypsies" and
catholic priests and nuns, in addition to others qualified as victims
of 'der fuhrer' and his maniacal, sadistic butchers.

Don't get round-shouldered from patting yourself on the back
just because you looked it up in a reader's guide in a library.
That's wonderful, but the "Duh-uh!" belongs to you for trying
to pick a fight over a word instead of considering the idea the
author conveyed in his original post.

WHAT was your purpose in doing that?

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"Damian B. Cooper" wrote:

> -Caveat Lector-
>
> At 07:05 PM 7/5/01 -0400, "Nurev Ind." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  wrote:
>
> >>
> >> THE TIMES
> >> WEDNESDAY JULY 04 2001
> >>
> >> Allies 'were told of Holocaust in 1941'
> >>
> >> BY BEN MACINTYRE
> >>
>
> Duh-uh!  How could the Allies have been told of "the Holocaust" in 1941
> when the term wasn't in use until 1967.
>
> Go look it up in the "Readers Guide to Periodical Literature" in you library.
> I did.
>
> DBC
>

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Re: [CTRL] Bush's Disgraceful Payback

[Steve]

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Yeah, YOUR bad politician is much, much worse than MY bad politician.

Steve

On 5 Jul 01, at 22:47, Damian B. Cooper wrote:

> And the Janet Reno stonewalling in conjunction with the Clinton's pardons
> left "MANY, MANY MORE questions still unanswered - not least the
> extent of the former president's own involvement in the MANY, MANY criminal
> affairs of
> the Clinton era.
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[CTRL] The Seven Myths of Gun Control Part 2

[Tito Hammond]

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Covered with blood and growing weaker by the moment, the wounded Anna pleaded
with Fuentes to get his gun and "take care of this guy." But he declined.
Instead, he allowed them to use his phone to call 911.

The sheriff’s deputies came quickly, but they arrived too late. John and
Ashley were already dead. Seven-year-old John had been killed while he slept.
When the deputies entered the house, the intruder charged them with his
pitchfork. Whatever had made the man slow and awkward as he chased the girls
down the hallway, it no longer seemed to affect him. Bruce sprang at the
deputies, as swift and limber as a wild predator.

They shot him 13 times, killing him on the spot.

Censored

Most people reading this book will never have heard of the Carpenter family
or their ordeal. Unlike the school massacres and office shootings that seem
to saturate network news coverage these days, the Carpenter tragedy received
little national attention.

I first learned of the event months after it occurred. Like most Americans, I
did not see it on the evening news or read about it in my daily newspaper.
Instead, I heard Professor John Lott, the Yale economist who wrote the book
More Guns, Less Crime, discussing the case on the Sean Hannity radio show on
WABC in New York.

Prof. Lott argued that the case revealed the fallacy of safe storage laws. By
forcing people to keep their guns unloaded and out of children’s reach, he
said, the law prevents both children and adults from using firearms to defend
themselves.

The Carpenter story made this clear. But most Americans never heard the
message, said Lott, because all mention of guns and gun laws had been
surgically removed from the story by the newswires. Lott says that an early
account of the bloodbath distributed by one news service mentioned that there
were guns in the house, that the children were trained and ready to use them,
and that the guns had been put out of reach, in order to comply with the law.
But subsequent accounts failed to include this information.

As a journalist, I was intrigued by Prof. Lott’s observation. I ran a Nexis
search and discovered that, with the exception of two local news stories in
the Fresno Bee and two opinion columns – one by well-known gun rights
advocate Vyn Suprynowicz and another by Prof. Lott himself – no accounts of
the incident remained in the public record that so much as mentioned the gun
angle.

No Heroes Allowed

"John Carpenter’s children are probably dead because John obeyed the laws of
the state of California," says Reverend John Hilton, the great-uncle of the
Carpenter children. In Hilton’s view, the tragedy could have been prevented
had the children been provided with easy access to a loaded gun. Many of
Hilton’s friends and neighbors quietly agree.

Hilton – who is pastor of a pentecostal church in Merced – recalls that,
when he was growing up, his father always kept a loaded Colt .45 in a holster
fastened to the pantry wall.

"He was away a lot of the time, working on construction jobs," says Hilton.
"But he made sure that gun was available to us, if we needed it. Without even
looking, you could reach over and get hold of the handle."

In those days, it was common to let children use firearms. They learned to
use them early, safely and responsibly. And there were no school shootings.
Ever.

Hilton, who is now 66 years old, says that he shot his first deer at age 7.
By the time he was 10, he was proficient with the Colt .45 and capable of
defending his family with it. Nowadays, Hilton’s father would be putting
himself at risk of imprisonment by giving children access to a loaded gun.
California law imposes criminal penalties on gun owners if children are
injured or injure others while using their guns.

Technically, if Jessica or any of the other Carpenter children had managed to
get hold of their father’s .357 Magnum and gun down the killer, their father
could have faced criminal charges. It was for fear of the law that John
Carpenter kept his gun unloaded and hidden on a high closet shelf.

"He's more afraid of the law than of somebody coming in for his family,"
Hilton told the Fresno Bee.

Likewise, the neighbor who refused to intervene may well have hesitated out
of fear or uncertainty about the law. In today’s legal environment, heroism
is not encouraged. The way to stay out of trouble is to sit back and wait for
the police – even if innocent children are being slaughtered right next door.

No Moral

According to their mother, all of the surviving Carpenter children have vowed
that they would have shot the killer if only they had had a gun handy. In
fact, the wounded girl Anna told her father that, when she saw the man go
after her sister Ashley, "I could have shot him right in the back of the
head."

The children’s bravery and fighting spirit were not considered newsworthy.
These elements were left out of the story by the wire services. Instead, the
Carpenters’ ordeal 

[CTRL] The Seven Myths of Gun Control Part 3

[Tito Hammond]

-Caveat Lector-

Don’t Blame Liberal Journalists

Many are quick to blame "liberal journalists" for the anti-gun slant they see
in the media. Perhaps they are too quick.

It is undeniable that most journalists hold left-of-center views. A 1996
survey of working journalists by the Roper Center and the Freedom Forum
showed that 89 percent had voted for Bill Clinton in 1992 (compared to only
43 percent of Americans overall who voted for Clinton). Only 4 percent of the
journalists surveyed identified themselves as Republicans and only 2 percent
as conservatives. Journalists clearly favor the left.

Yet, their "liberal" opinions probably have less impact on the media’s gun
coverage than most people assume. Rank-and-file journalists in large news
organizations actually have little control over the political slant of their
stories. It is management that decides how a network or newspaper will spin a
particular issue. Ordinary journalists have little opportunity to vent their
personal views.

The New York Post, for example, is generally recognized to be a conservative
paper. Yet, when I worked there in the mid-1980s, I found the newsroom filled
with liberals. They grumbled constantly about the paper’s conservative slant.
But they did as they were told, because it was company policy.

Liberal news organizations are no different. Political bias comes from the
top. Rank-and-file reporters simply follow orders. The anti-gun bias
permeating our mass media comes, not from individual journalists, but from
the owners and senior managers of multibillion-dollar media conglomerates.

Don’t Blame Liberal Politicians Either

"Liberal" politicians are another favorite scapegoat of gun-rights advocates.
But, in government, as in media, the forces promoting gun control appear to
be larger than any party or faction.

It was President George Bush, Sr. who banned the import of "assault weapons"
in 1989, and promoted the view that Americans should only be allowed to own
weapons suitable for "sporting purposes."

It was Governor Ronald Reagan of California who, in 1967, signed the Mulford
Act, which prohibited the carrying of firearms in public or in a vehicle. The
law was aimed at stopping the Black Panthers, but affected all gun owners.
Twenty-four years later, Reagan was still pushing gun control. "I support the
Brady Bill," he said in a March 28, 1991 speech, "and I urge the Congress to
enact it without further delay."

One of the most aggressive gun control advocates today is Republican mayor
Rudolph Giuliani of New York City, whose administration filed suit against 26
gun manufacturers in June 2000.

In March of that same year, New York City police commissioner Howard Safir –
presumably with Giuliani’s encouragement – put forth a nationwide plan for
gun licensing, which would require owners to bring in their weapons once a
year for "safety" inspections. The real purpose of the inspection, Safir
admitted, was to keep tabs on guns and monitor whether or not they had been
sold.

Another Republican, New York State Governor George Pataki, on August 10,
2000, signed into law what The New York Times called "the nation’s strictest
gun controls," a radical program mandating trigger locks, background checks
at gun shows and "ballistic fingerprinting" of guns sold in the state. It
also raised the legal age to buy a handgun to 21, and imposed a ban on
"assault weapons," the sale or possession of which would now be punishable by
seven years in prison. ''This is something the rest of the nation should take
a look at,'' said Pataki. "I hope this serves as a model."

George W. Bush has kept a low profile regarding Pataki’s gun crackdown. But
when the program was first announced in March 2000, a Bush spokesman said,
""The governor . . . wants to review it, but his initial response was
positive."

Journalist William Safire asked Richard Nixon, back in 1969, what he thought
about gun control. "Guns are an abomination," Nixon replied. According to
Safire, Nixon went on to confess that, "Free from fear of gun owners'
retaliation at the polls, he favored making handguns illegal and requiring
licenses for hunting rifles."

Gun Abolition – The Real Goal

Today’s gun-control promoters seem to share a view of gun rights every bit as
restrictive as that of Richard Nixon. The ongoing case of United States of
America v. Timothy Joe Emerson has helped make this clear.

In the midst of a bitter divorce fight, Dr. Emerson – a Texas physician –
was hit with a restraining order from his wife. Unbeknownst to Dr. Emerson,
federal law prohibits anyone under a restraining order from keeping a gun. He
was arrested for unlawful possession of a firearm – even though he had
legally owned the firearm in question for years.

A federal judge dismissed the charges, partly on the grounds that they
violated Emerson’s Second Amendment rights. But the U.S. Justice Department
appealed. Arguing before a three-judge panel on June 13, 2000, Justice
De

[CTRL] The Seven Myths of Gun Control Part 1

[Tito Hammond]

-Caveat Lector-

The Seven Myths of Gun Control

By Richard Poe

Introduction
The March Toward Gun Abolition

The Seven Myths of Gun Control | July 2001

FOR FOURTEEN-YEAR-OLD JESSICA CARPENTER, the morning of August 23, 2000 began
like any other. Her father had left for work. Her mother had taken the car to
get the brakes checked. Jessica had been left in charge, to look after the
four other children, Anna, 13; Vanessa, 11; Ashley, 9; and John, 7.



Although the day started normally, it was not destined to end that way. It
would turn out to be the most terrifying day of Jessica’s life.

Shortly after her mother left, Jessica heard noises from the livingroom. It
sounded as if someone were moving furniture around. Still half asleep,
Jessica assumed that it must be her mother.

But it wasn’t.

She heard the phone ring down the hall and someone answered it. "I wonder
what time it is," thought Jessica sleepily. Her grandmother was coming at
nine to pick them up. She rose from bed and went to the kitchen, where the
clock on the range showed that it was already after 9. Better wake up the
others, Jessica thought.

Then she noticed something strange. The sliding glass door in the livingroom
had been blocked with furniture. The shades were shut, leaving the house in
gloom. Why would her mother do that?

Jessica froze. A sudden chill gripped her stomach. At first, she did not want
to believe what she was seeing. But she could not deny the evidence of her
own eyes. There was a man in the livingroom. A strange man. He was stark
naked, and appeared to be trying to pull on his shorts.

Something Dreadful

"Hey!" the man shouted.

Startled and embarrassed, Jessica fled back to her bedroom and locked the
door. Her mind raced, seeking a reasonable explanation for what she had seen.

Perhaps the man was a friend whom her father had invited over to the house to
change clothes, she thought. But then why had he been moving furniture
around, blocking the door? Jessica’s heart sank as she slowly came to grips
with the fact that something dreadful was happening.

A knock came at her bedroom door.

"Who is it?" said Jessica.

No one answered. The knock came again. And again.

Jessica, knowing that her mother had a cell phone, picked up the phone to try
to call her. But there was no dial tone. When Jessica’s grandmother had
called earlier, the intruder had lifted the receiver and left it off the
hook.

Safe Storage

Cold terror began to seep into Jessica’s bones. She wished that she had a
gun. Her father had taught Jessica and the other children to shoot. Jessica
had passed her hunter safety course and received her certificate at age 12.
She knew that her Dad always kept a .357 Magnum in his bedroom.

In deference to California’s safe storage laws, however, Mr. Carpenter kept
the pistol high up on a closet shelf, unloaded and out of reach of the
children. Even if she could somehow get to the other end of the house to
retrieve it, Jessica knew she would have to climb up on something to reach
the gun, scramble around for the bullets and then load them. The man would be
on her before she had a chance.

Mr. Carpenter had always taught the children that if there were an emergency,
such as a fire in the house, they should open a window, push out the screen
and climb outside. She proceeded to do that.

>From another part of the house, Jessica heard a cry that sounded like one of
her sisters. But she put it out of her mind. "I knew I shouldn't go to
investigate and I should go and get the police," Jessica later told
reporters.

She slipped out the window and set off barefoot across an open field, cutting
her feet as she ran.

A "Spooky" Man

The intruder was 27-year-old Jonathon David Bruce. The Carpenter family did
not know him, but he lived in their small town of Merced, California, where
he worked as a part-time telemarketer.

Bruce’s strange behavior had long worried his neighbors. He slept all day,
emerging only at night. "He was spooky," said neighbor Dawn Carter. "He would
walk up and down the sidewalks talking to himself. Talking to the trees. He
did a lot of wandering."

Bruce hated children. Neighbors had begun keeping their kids indoors when he
was around. "He yelled about the children mostly," recalls Ray Adams, a
neighbor. "He didn’t like kids. And any little noise bothered him."

The police were frequent visitors to Bruce’s house. He had spent a week in
jail for resisting arrest, assaulting an officer and being under the
influence of methamphetamine.

Bruce’s live-in girlfriend had left him several months before, with her two
sons, ages 4 and 5. After that, "he just sort of went downhill," said Adams.
Bruce was evicted from his duplex apartment in August, just before he broke
into the Carpenter home.

To this day, no one knows why he picked on the Carpenters. We only know that,
on the morning of August 23, Bruce armed himself with a pitchfork and entered
their home, barricading himself inside with the f

[CTRL] REUTERS: POLL SHOWS U.S. MOTORISTS ARE TRYING TO CUT GAS USE

[MIKE SPITZER]

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[See below URL for complete story.  --MS]


http://enn.com/news/wire-stories/2001/07/07052001/reu_gaspoll_44204.asp


Source: Reuters

POLL SHOWS U.S. MOTORISTS ARE TRYING TO CUT GAS USE


U.S. consumers are reacting to higher gasoline prices with their wallets,
according to a new Harris Poll. The poll showed that half of those surveyed
are cutting gasoline
consumption and also plan to buy more fuel-efficient cars in the future.

According to the poll, about half of current car owners surveyed say they
cut spending on weekend trips, recreation, and vacations. Some 72 percent
said they reduced weekend travel, 71 percent cut recreation spending, and
53 percent reduced vacation spending.

[...]


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[CTRL] 2 reports re: Condit: WP: Aunt Details Alleged Affair; NM: Ret. D.C. Police Detectiver: Ten Women Claiming Condit Affairs

[MIKE SPITZER]

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A24458-2001Jul5.html

The Washington Post
Friday, July 6, 2001; Page B01

Aunt Details Alleged Affair

By Allan Lengel and Petula Dvorak


Chandra Levy's aunt yesterday said her niece provided her with an extensive
account of the relationship with Rep. Gary A. Condit, describing how the
congressman went to great lengths to keep the liaison a secret and
explicitly warned that he would stop seeing her if she told anyone.

Linda Zamsky's account of the relationship is based on conversations and
meetings she said she had with Levy since last fall, when the 24-year-old
intern at the Bureau of Prisons first told Zamsky that she was having a
relationship with Condit. Zamsky, who became Levy's confidante, said she is
speaking out publicly for the first time out of frustration with Condit,
whose aides have adamantly denied the existence of a relationship.

"He was emphatic," Zamsky, relaying her conversations with Levy, said of
Condit's caution over the liaison. "It had to remain secret. If anybody
found out about this relationship, it was done, over, kaput."

The search for Levy, who was last seen in downtown Washington on April 30,
moved on several fronts yesterday. Condit's wife, Carolyn, was interviewed
by the FBI and D.C. police who are investigating what is still classified
as a missing persons case. D.C. Police Chief Charles H.
Ramsey said a suicide by Levy now seemed unlikely, discounting one possible
explanation of her disappearance. And Condit's attorney released the
longest statement to date, emphasizing the congressman's continuing
cooperation.

Zamsky's account places Condit at the center of Levy's life in Washington -
a married man who gave her gifts, paid for a couple of plane trips to
California, orchestrated their meetings and often spent weekends with her
in his Adams Morgan apartment. The details contradict the account provided
by Condit's aides and attorneys, who say there was no relationship.

Condit's chief of staff in Modesto, Calif., Mike Lynch, declined to comment
on Zamsky's account of the relationship. He referred calls to Marina Ein, a
public relations specialist hired yesterday by Abbe D. Lowell, an attorney
for Condit. Ein also declined to comment on Zamsky's account, saying
Condit's priority "is finding a young woman who seems to have vanished. The
rest is sensationalism."

Zamsky's description of an affair, which has been provided to police and
videotaped by investigators, raises the importance of Condit as a source of
information on Levy. Police searching for a missing person generally focus
on those who were closest to the individual, attempting to establish frame
of mind, habits and behavior before the disappearance.

In cases involving women who vanish, police pay particular attention to the
person or persons with whom they were last known to be having a sexual
relationship.

In a 90-minute interview, Zamsky, 40, spoke of the secretive relationship
described to her by Levy. The picture painted by the aunt is of a woman who
relished the attention of the older man, heeded his caution and treasured
his gifts, which included a gold bracelet and Godiva chocolates. Levy hoped
Condit would marry her and even envisioned a life with children, the aunt
said.

The first mention of a relationship took place at Thanksgiving, when Levy
went to visit Zamsky in her home on Maryland's Eastern Shore. At the time,
her niece emphasized the secretiveness of the affair and was reluctant to
mention a name, said Zamsky, who is married to Levy's uncle.

"There was a look in her eyes. She was excited. She said he's here in
Washington and he goes home occasionally. She said he's in government.

She mentioned he had two kids," Zamsky said.

As they watched C-Span, Levy explained the dynamics of the House and Senate
to her aunt and described her love interest as "looking a bit like Harrison
Ford. She said he was lean, in good shape, worked out, very conscientious
about his body for a 53-year-old."

"I asked, 'How do you get in touch with him if it's so secretive, this
relationship?" Zamsky recalled. "And she said, well - and this is when she
came and accidentally said his name to me. She would dial a number.

It would play music, and she would leave a message. She said, 'I would also
call the office, and they would answer 'Gary Condit.' And that's how his
name came out."

"And she goes, 'oops.' She says, 'You didn't hear that.' And I said 'no'
and of course I did," Zamsky said. "I made real light of it. I kind of
dummied up because I wanted her to feel comfortable."

Levy then confided that the relationship was already intimate.

At that time, Zamsky said, Levy described how Condit instructed her to
avoid hinting to anyone in his building that she was visiting him. If she
was in the elevator and someone pressed his floor, she was to press a
different floor. If they asked if she was new in the building, she was told
to say she was visiting a sick

[CTRL] Fwd: NRA - Be careful what you ask for (you might get it!)

[Tito Hammond]

Many people have begun to catch on to the idea that the NRA is not protecting 
the rights of gun owners ... they merely give that impression to the 
uninformed by compromising our gun owning rights.  Compromise is what the 
fabian socialists want, a little bit of your rights at a time until you have 
no rights at all.  Let us not forget there are fabian fascists also, they are 
both on the same team:  the Republicans and the Democrats.

Tito

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   NRA - Be careful what you ask for (you might get it!)
 

Copyright © 2001 by Gun Owners Alliance (GOA-Texas).
 Republication permitted ONLY if this e-mail alert
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+
 
 
 
 According to Vol. 5, No. 40, NRA-ILA FAX ALERT of 10/9/98:
 
  "On Thursday, Mr. LaPierre, announced the appointment
   of James Jay Baker to the position of Executive
   Director of NRA-ILA, effective immediately.  "Jim
   Baker is a staunch defender of Second Amendment
   freedoms with a strong NRA background," LaPierre
   said.  "He has served NRA in the past as an expert
   in federal elections law, as Director of our Federal
   Affairs Division, and, until 1994, as Executive
   Director of the Institute for Legislative Action.
   NRA members know Jim Baker, and they know the fight
   for their rights is in capable hands."  The
   appointment marks a return for Baker to the position
   he held from 1991 to 1994.  "Jim Baker returns to
   the NRA with an incredible wealth of experience and
   expertise as an aggressive defender of our Second
   Amendment freedoms.  He has an exemplary reputation
   on Capitol Hill and in state legislatures, and Jim
   is highly regarded by the nearly three million NRA
   members and the nation's firearms owning community.
   Jim Baker is a hunter, a firearms expert and a
   skilled legislative strategist.  Our members have
   full confidence that the fight for their rights is
   in capable hands."
 
 Jim Baker is not the friend of Gun Owners, THAT IS, if you believe that
 the Brady Bill and the Instant Check is the Trojan Horse of the Pro-Gun
 Community. Read on:
 
 As the noted writer and attorney David Kopel has written in an Independence
 Institute monograph on waiting periods:
 
   Significantly, the instant check is subject to the same
   problem of creating a gun and gun-owner registration
   system as is a waiting period. As the [1989 Justice
   Department] Task Force observes, "Any system that
   requires a criminal history record check prior to purchase
   of a firearm creates the potential for the automated
   tracking of individuals who seek to purchase firearms."
 
 Go to http://www.goa-texas.org/Horse.htm for more on the dangers of the
 Instant Check system.
 
 Even now, the FBI illegally maintains a LIST of firearms owner purchasers
 for several months, if not indefinite.
 
 But who passed this "Trojan Horse" through?
 
 In part, we can thank Mr. Jim Baker, which now is the NRA-ILA's Executive
 Director and Chief Lobbyist. Read on:
 
 Starting in 1989, the NRA, under Warren Cassidy, has chosen to fight gun
 control with . . . national computerized gun control. Jim Baker of the NRA
 was quoted by USA Today on October 26, 1993 (P. 7A) as saying: " We already
 support 65% of the Brady bill, because it moves to an instant check, which
 is what we want."
 
 And even before the voting started, Jim Baker was conceding defeat. Readers
 of the Tuesday, November 16 issue of USA Today learned this:
 
   "It doesn't make a heck of a lot of difference" whether
the Brady bill is voted on separately or as part of
the crime package, says NRA lobbyist Jim Baker. "Whether
it's before Thanksgiving or when they get back in January
(the Brady bill) is going to happen."
 
 Imagine getting ready for a championship game and your coach tells you your
 side is beaten before you've taken the field. Would you give your best 
effort?
 The NRA through Jim Baker, was publicly conceding defeat even before the 
first

Re: [CTRL] FDR- Pearl Harbor and the Holocaust j2

[Damian B. Cooper]

-Caveat Lector-

At 07:05 PM 7/5/01 -0400, "Nurev Ind." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 wrote:

>>
>> THE TIMES
>> WEDNESDAY JULY 04 2001
>>
>> Allies 'were told of Holocaust in 1941'
>>
>> BY BEN MACINTYRE
>>

Duh-uh!  How could the Allies have been told of "the Holocaust" in 1941
when the term wasn't in use until 1967.

Go look it up in the "Readers Guide to Periodical Literature" in you library.
I did.

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Re: [CTRL] FDR- Pearl Harbor and the Holocaust

[Damian B. Cooper]

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At 08:42 AM 7/5/01 -0400, Steve Suranie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 wrote:
> But I
>rather like this world much more, a place where you and others like you can
>sift through America's past and loosely link some historical inaccuracies to
>find a conspiracy where there is none and not suffer any consequences.
>
>Steve

You're suggesting that censorship, loss of jobs, withholding of university
degrees,
threats, intimidation, acts of terrorism, deportation and similar measures
are not
"consequences" suffered by people in America for raising questions about
"historical inaccuracies"?

You are uninformed, naive, or probably both.

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Re: [CTRL] Bush's Disgraceful Payback

[Damian B. Cooper]

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At 09:14 PM 7/5/01 -0400, William Shannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>
>
> http://www.bergen.com/e
> ditorials/abr220010703.htm
>
>
>
> Bush's dubious choice
> Elliott Abrams is a ghost of scandals past
>



>
> The pardons effectively killed the Iran-Contra
> investigation, leaving many questions still unanswered -- not least the
> extent of the former president's own involvement in the affair.



And the Janet Reno stonewalling in conjunction with the Clinton's pardons
left "MANY, MANY MORE questions still unanswered - not least the
extent of the former president's own involvement in the MANY, MANY criminal
affairs of
the Clinton era.

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Re: [CTRL] The Secret GOP War On Tom Daschle

[Damian B. Cooper]

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At 01:38 AM 7/5/01 -0400, "Prudence L. Kuhn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>I can't get too excited.  The Republicans are addicted to smear tactics, and
>they have to have some target or other for their scatological comments.

Oh, give me a break.

You're a plain and simple blind partisan.

Smear tactics?

You mean like Al Gore sliming Michael Dukakis with the Willie Horton ads?
You mean like James Carville characterizing Paula Jones as trailer trash?
You mean like Bill Clinton and Sidney Blumenthal conspiring to label
Monica Lewinsky as a "stalker".
You mean like Hillary Clinton smearing people she disagrees with as
"a vast right wing conspiracy".

The Clinton crime operation perfected "the politics of personal destruction".

Democrats don't know how NOT to be vicious and partisan,

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[CTRL] AP: Complete Text Of Abbe Lowell Statement

[MIKE SPITZER]

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Complete Text Of Abbe Lowell Statement

For weeks, Congressman Condit has stated that he would assist the police in
their efforts to locate Chandra Levy.

Today, the Congressman's wife, Carolyn, met with law enforcement officials
to provide whatever information she could. To expedite this, Congressman
Condit accompanied Mrs. Condit to the Washington area in order to
facilitate her meeting with investigators and consequently was
unable to participate in traditional 4th of July events in Modesto.

Even prior to Mrs. Condit's interview, Congressman Condit had given two
substantial interviews to the police and directed his staff to provide
information that may be requested of them.

In light of the ongoing and central importance of the police investigation,
Congressman Condit has issued statements to the press only when doing so
would not interfere with the work of law enforcement authorities. It is
clear from a review of other similar cases that broad
and detailed dissemination of confidential police interviews can seriously
compromise police investigations. With Chandra Levy's whereabouts unknown,
this is not a risk that Congressman Condit, or anyone else, should be
willing to take.

The media's intense interest in Ms. Levy's disappearance is completely
understandable.

Consequently, I have asked Marina Ein, someone I know from the
communications world, to assist me with media inquiries. As the fierce
competition to fill pages, airtime and websites threatens to spin this
story out of control, Congressman Condit has resisted and will
continue to resist efforts by the media to dissect and mischaracterize his
and his family's private lives. Unlike some, Congressman Condit remains
singularly focused on what is and remains the central mission at this
time -- locating Chandra Levy.

Congressman Condit hopes and prays for Chandra Levy's safe return. It is
his belief that the media can play an important role in helping this
investigation reach a positive conclusion. It is also his belief that the
media risks losing its focus with what has been a recent and
seemingly unbounded effort to expose highly personal and private Condit
family matters. None of these matters pertain to Ms. Levy's disappearance
or the ability of law enforcement to determine what has happened to her. To
all of you, I ask that you return your focus to that
priority.

In summary, Congressman Condit has twice met with the police, followed up
with the police by telephone, and reached out to meet and speak with
Chandra Levy's family. In addition, Congressman Condit's wife has herself
met with the police.

The police have stated that Congressman Condit is not a suspect, that he
has been cooperative and that his meetings with them have been productive.
These are their words.

The Congressman hopes and believes that the caring public will not confuse
his well-founded reasons for not fueling a misguided media frenzy, with
his, Mrs. Condit's, and his staff's continued willingness to speak with
those professionals who are working day and night to find
Chandra Levy.

Copyright 2001 by The Associated Press. All rights reserved.


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[CTRL] Fwd: Poor United Nations! Gunowners get under the UN's skin!

[Tito Hammond]

<< Forwarded Message: 
 Subj:   Poor United Nations! Gunowners get under the UN's skin!
 Date:  7/5/01 7:15:16 PM Mountain Daylight Time
 From:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] (GOA-Texas)
 Sender:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-to:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] (GOA-Texas)
 To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gun_Owners_Alliance_Alert)
 
 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 
GUN OWNERS ALLIANCE
 !!ALERT!!
 Chris W. Stark - Director
   P.O. Box 1924
 Crosby, Texas 77532-1924
  Ph. 1-281-328-3305  Fax 1-810-283-7459
 http://www.GOA-Texas.org
  email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
05 July 2001
 ++
 
   Poor United Nations! Gunowners get under the UN's skin!
 

Copyright © 2001 by Gun Owners Alliance (GOA-Texas).
 Republication permitted ONLY if this e-mail alert
is left intact in its original state.
+
 
 
 Poor United Nations. Those terrible American Gun Owners should NEVER tell
 the UN the truth as they have, of late!
 
 After you read the article below my comments, BE SURE to e-mail the UN at:
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Let them know that "IF" the United Nations was serious about preventing
 and stopping genocide, they would certainly advocate the unrestricted
 private ownership of firearms for the law abiding. The evil downside of
 gun control is GENOCIDE! Let them read:
 
 http://www.goa-texas.org/kopel.htm
 
 http://www.goa-texas.org/racism.htm
 
 FLOOD THEIR E-MAIL BOX!
 
 FLOOD THEIR E-MAIL BOX!
 
 With Respect,
 
 Gun Owners Alliance
 Chris W. Stark - Director
 ***
 
 
 
 http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGAFR56XSOC.html
 
 U.N. Investigating Whether E-Mails From U.S. Gun Enthusiasts a Security
 Threat
 
 By Edith M. Lederer Associated Press Writer
 Published: Jul 5, 2001
 
 UNITED NATIONS (AP) - The United Nations is investigating whether irate
 letters and e-mails it has received from American gun enthusiasts protesting
 an upcoming conference on the illicit trade in small arms constitutes a
 security threat.
 
 The world body has received about 100 complaints from Americans who
 erroneously believe the conference seeks to infringe on their right to bear
 arms, U.N. Undersecretary-General for Disarmament Jayantha Dhanapala said
 Thursday.
 
 The gun-rights enthusiasts did not threaten physical harm to any U.N.
 official but their protests were strongly worded and were turned over to
 U.N. security experts, Dhanapala said.
 
 "What concerned me was that there was a widespread campaign," he said. "It's
 essentially a U.S.-based phenomenon."
 
 The letters and e-mails started arriving in recent weeks, some signed and
 some anonymous, alleging that the U.N. is attempting to take away guns from
 people, in conflict with the constitutional rights of U.S. citizens,
 Dhanapala told a news conference.
 
 "I did not get the impression that they have been orchestrated. They are
 differently worded, but clearly they all labor under the same
 misapprehension about the conference," he said.
 
 Dhanapala's office released a pamphlet called "Setting the Record Straight"
 to address the misconceptions they contained and explain what the conference
 hopes to achieve.
 
 "The focus of the conference is on illicit trade in small arms, not the
 legal trade, manufacture or ownership of weapons," the pamphlet stressed.
 "The U.N. conference will have no effect on the rights of civilians to
 legally own and bear arms."
 
 Delegates are expected to adopt a program of action, which is not legally
 binding, to curb and ultimately eliminate illegal trafficking in assault
 rifles and other small arms and light weapons that have become the weapons
 of choice in many internal conflicts around the world.
 
 About a dozen gun-rights groups, including the U.S. National Rifle
 Association, are among the 177 non-governmental organizations accredited to
 attend the two-week conference which begins Monday.
 
 Dhanapala said these groups will be able to attend all public meetings and
 will choose several representatives to make statements at one official
 conference session.
 
 U.N. conventional arms expert Joao Honwana, a top conference official, said
 it wasn't up to the U.N. Department for Disarmament Affairs to judge whether
 the e-mails and letters constituted a threat.
 
 "The objective of turning these e-mail and communications to the U.N.
 security was precisely to allow them to assess them from a perspective of
 threat to the organization of the conference and take whatever necessary
 measures they found appropriate, which is what they are doing," he said.
 
 "They analyze those communications, and I'm sure that they will contact with
 the appropriate institution

Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: re: UTAH town says, "No to U.N.!"]

[Tito Hammond]

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In a message dated 7/5/01 6:36:00 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
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<< Real Americans don't wear U.N. blue!
Pass it on.
Daniel New  (Texas)
 __

  Let's hope and work to make this spark
  become a forest fire.
  Nakano   (Texas) >>

Count me in.  My coucilman will receive some info on this by Tuesday morning.
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[CTRL] Bush's Disgraceful Payback

[William Shannon]

http://www.bergen.com/editorials/abr220010703.htm



Bush's dubious choice
Elliott Abrams is a ghost of scandals past

Tuesday, July 3, 2001

GEORGE W. BUSH took the office of president promising to "restore honor and
integrity" to government. Last week, he appointed Elliott Abrams, a convicted
criminal and oath-breaker, to an important White House post.

How to account for this strange disconnect between rhetoric and reality? The
answer, as is often the case with this president, lies in family history.

As assistant secretary of state under Ronald Reagan, Mr. Abrams worked
closely with Oliver North, the man who directed the squalid Iran-Contra
operation that entangled the Reagan-Bush administration with gunrunners, drug
traffickers, money-launderers, and others engaged in illegal activities
designed to circumvent a law banning military aid to rebel armies in
Nicaragua.

Mr. Abrams was a key figure in the administration's attempt to cover up the
scandal. In 1991, facing a barrage of felony charges for lying under oath, he
struck a plea bargain with prosecutors and confessed to two counts of
deceiving Congress in sworn testimony.

But his conviction was quashed by President George H. W. Bush, who issued
last-minute pardons to Mr. Abrams and several other Iran-Contra figures just
before he left office. The pardons effectively killed the Iran-Contra
investigation, leaving many questions still unanswered -- not least the
extent of the former president's own involvement in the affair. Now his son
has named Mr. Abrams to a senior position on the White House National
Security Council, overseeing "democracy and human rights" worldwide.

Mr. Abrams spent his previous government service as an apologist for some of
Latin America's most brutal authoritarian regimes. He was considered one of
the fiercest partisans of the Reagan-Bush era, blasting his political
opponents as "vipers" with "blood on their hands."

Even many Republican leaders were dubious about him. Sen. Dave Durenberger,
R-Minn., once declared: "I wouldn't trust Elliott any farther than I could
throw Ollie North."

There is no doubt that the White House could have found an equally qualified,
equally conservative, but far less divisive figure to fill such an important
position. But the president chose not to. This provocative appointment --
which, conveniently enough, doesn't require Senate approval -- speaks volumes
about the hardball politics that lie behind the administration's soothing
rhetoric.

Mr. Bush likes to project the image of a political innocent, a plain-talking
Texas "outsider" arriving to clean up the Washington swamp. But in fact he is
a savvy Beltway insider. He served in his father's White House as a tenacious
"enforcer" of partisan loyalty and knows well the murky ins-and-outs of the
scandal that tainted the last two Republican administrations.

Mr. Abrams' new job makes sense only in this context. It's a reward to a
partisan loyalist who fell on his sword for the Reagan-Bush cause. His
appointment as an advocate for international human rights is a disgrace.

Re: [CTRL] Message not approved: Is the U.K. gun ban OK?

[Bill Howard]

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In a message dated 7/5/01 4:07:16 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<<  This group is opposed to the New World Order-one world

> Godless government.  Not for it, as you appear to be.  Your New

> World Order views are not welcome here.

>

> God Bless and Peace be with you,

>

> Moderator. >>

Well, C, you certanly know where you stand with this list.

BHoward

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[CTRL] DynCorp's Drug Problem

[William Shannon]

http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=special&s=vest20010703



DynCorp's Drug Problem

by Jason Vest 

Could the State Department's antidrug contractors in South America possibly 
be dabbling in narcotics trafficking? A key part of the US's $1.3 billion 
contribution to Plan Colombia--the scheme that will supposedly expedite the 
end of Colombia's civil war--calls for the use of private contractors (as 
opposed to actual US military assets) to fly airborne missions against both 
the fields that grow coca and poppy and the labs that process them. While 
some contractors, like Aviation Development Corporation of Montgomery, 
Alabama, fly surveillance missions for the CIA, those that fly on retainer 
for other US government agencies are a bit more expansive in their missions. 

Consulting giant DynCorp's private pilots in the Andes fly everything from 
fixed-wing fumigation runs to helicopter-borne interdiction missions ferrying 
troops into hot spots. If you take DynCorp's word for it, any notion of the 
organization's being involved in drug trafficking is ludicrous. "Whether or 
not you believe this, we are a very ethical company," said a senior DynCorp 
official, who insisted on being quoted off the record. "We take steps to make 
sure the people we hire are ethical." 

Yet the existence of a document that The Nation recently obtained (under the 
Freedom of Information Act) from the Drug Enforcement 
Administration--combined with the unwillingness of virtually any US or 
Colombian government agency to elaborate on the document--has some in 
Washington and elsewhere wondering if, like virtually every other entity 
charged with fighting the drug war, DynCorp might have a bad apple or two in 
its barrel. According to a monthly DEA intelligence report from last year, 
officers of Colombia's National Police force intercepted and opened, on May 
12, 2000, a US-bound Federal Express package at Bogota's El Dorado 
International Airport. The parcel "contained two (2) small bottles of a thick 
liquid" that "had the same consistency as motor oil." The communiqué goes on 
to report that the liquid substance "tested positive for heroin" and that the 
"alleged heroin laced liquid weighed approximately 250 grams." (Freebase 
heroin, it bears noting, is soluble in motor oil, and can therefore be 
extracted without much trouble.) 

But perhaps the most intriguing piece of information in the DEA document is 
the individual to whom it reports that the package belonged: an unnamed 
employee of DynCorp, who was sending the parcel to the company's Andean 
operations headquarters at Patrick Air Force Base, Florida. More interesting 
still is the reluctance of DynCorp and the government to provide substantial 
details in support of their contention that this situation isn't really what 
it seems.
 
According to DynCorp spokeswoman Janet Wineriter,the viscous liquid that the 
Colombians tested was not, in fact, laced with heroin; it was simply "oil 
samples of major aircraft components" that DynCorp technicians are required 
to take and send to the US "on a periodic basis." Explaining that the drug 
test was conducted "with apparently faulty equipment" that produced "an 
incorrect reading," Wineriter could not specify what testing procedures or 
equipment were used. She identified her source for the explanation as 
Charlene A. Wheeless, DynCorp's Vice President for Corporate Communications. 

Unable to cite any source other than Wheeless ("I'm assuming when someone 
passes along this information that it's accurate"), Wineriter told The Nation 
to call the Colombian National Police and the State Department for further 
details. The State Department liaison with DynCorp did not return phone 
calls, and when the Colombian National Police in Bogota were contacted, an 
official informed The Nation that the CNP would not comment on the matter, 
referring all queries to the DEA. A DEA spokesman in Washington said the 
matter was not a DEA case, and referred calls to the US Embassy in Bogota.
 
It took six days for the embassy to produce a terse, 143-word response to The 
Nation's queries--a response that echoed, but did not mirror, DynCorp's 
account. The embassy did confirm that the vials of oil are "routinely shipped 
to DynCorp facilities at Patrick AFB for analysis related to proper 
maintenance" of aircraft, and confirmed that "several aircraft motor oil 
samples" were confiscated by Colombian police who used "NARCOTEX equipment 
[and] detected the presence of heroin in unspecified amounts." Unlike 
Dyncorp, the embassy did not blame the test results on a false positive 
caused by faulty equipment; what's odd is that the embassy has no idea what 
ultimately became of the seized oil. "The samples seized at the airport were 
sent to the CNP's Forensic Institute for further analysis, but the CNP did 
not subsequently pursue the matter with the U.S. Embassy or DynCorp personnel 
in Colombia," the embassy said, adding that the embass

[CTRL] A Study Of Rothschildian Bloodline Obsession

[William Shannon]

http://www.davidicke.net/emagazine/vol25/



Chosen Jews and Unchosen Jews 

A study of Rothschildian Bloodline Obsession

by Clifford Shack 


Be it grapes, horses, themselves, etc., the Rothschilds have been obsessed 
with genetics, cultivating bloodlines and genetics. Here, in the ecetera, 
lies the clue to the greatest Rothschild family secret. 

According to Jewish tradition, after the Creator created the world he took on 
he occupied himself with people- principally matchmaking. In other 
words…breeding. The Creator bred people. If you gaze at the bible, isn’t 
there a great deal of emphasis on people-breeding? First Adam, then ten 
generations to Noah, ten generations to Abraham. Weeding out Ishmael and Esau 
then finally Jacob and his sons. Alas someone to build a chosen nation 
upon…The word chosen is a breeding term. The breeder cultivated a particular 
bloodline for a particular task.

Horses are a great example. Horses are bred for different tasks. Some are 
bred for work others for speed. Particular attention is paid to character. 
Character is a very important aspect particularly with dog breeders. Family 
pets should be kind, watchdogs should be tough,etc. 

It is said that horseracing is the sport of kings. The Rothschilds and their 
sons from August Belmont to Guy de Rothschild, have been breeding and racing 
the world’s top thouroughbred racehorses. Their breeding talents don’t end 
there. The world is well aware that Rothschild vineyards produce the worlds 
finest grapes.

But did the Rothschild breeding efforts stop there? If horses are the sport 
of kings then what is the sport of super kings? As kings have been 
debtor/puppets to the Rothschilds for the past two hundred years…the 
Rothschilds have been pretty close to the status of the gods. So what kind of 
breeding do the Rothschilds quietly occupy themselves with? If you remember, 
the Creator bred people, tribes, races and nations. Could it be that the 
Rothschilds occupy themselves with the same kind of breeding. Do the 
Rothschilds equate themselves with the Supreme being?

Were the Rothschilds concerned that the Eastern European Jews would breed 
with the people of Germany and dilute pollute the German genepool. The 
Rothschild found their co-religionists to be work shy and asocial. Certainly 
not the kind of characteristics that should be allowed to mingle with pure 
German blood for the next thousand years. They feared that over time the 
German industrious character would be forever crippled and eventually 
extinquished. Such is unsupervised breeding. In the end you get weeds. Just 
ask botanist Lord Victor Rothschild.

The Rothschilds were pleased with the Jews of Germany. They would separate 
them from Germany so as they would not effect the German bloodline, however 
they would transplant them in Palestine where they could flourish and shine 
as an example to the rest of the world. The Eastern European Jews however had 
to be eliminated. They couldn’t be allowed to infect Western Europe. America 
was provided for them but unfortunately they didn’t want to immigrate further 
west than New York. When New York became full to Jewish capacity and 
sufficient numbers of German Jews had immigrated to Palestine then the fate 
of the rest of Europe’s Jews became sealed.

Adolph Rothschild-Hitler would help the German Jews immigrate to Palestine. 
Then, under to Rothschild/Warburg direction, Hitler eliminated the unchosen 
Jews. 

[CTRL] Media Hypocrisy A Casualty Of The Intifada?

[William Shannon]

http://www.mediamonitors.net/index.html



Will Media Hypocrisy be a Casualty of The Intifada?

by Iqbal Jasarat 
The current mass based Intifada by Palestinians against Israeli occupation 
and brutal repression has yet again focused the attention of the world to 
what is benignly referred to as the ‘conflict-ridden’ Middle East.

No doubt, many pro-Israeli commentators will at monotonous intervals be 
called upon by the mainstream media to provide analysis and opinions, which 
invariably will pass off as ‘expert views’.   This practice stems from the 
fact that the South African press, English and Afrikaans, has traditionally 
held a strong pro-Israeli bias.  It is also true that since Israel represents 
a Western colonial heritage, its profile as a European outpost in the midst 
of the stereotypical ‘Arab savages’, has allowed the Jewish state an overtly 
favorable press.

Those individual journalists and editors who have dared to break away from 
the tradition which demands an uncritical acceptance of Israeli propaganda as 
unchallengeable, while still small in number, are fortunately on the 
increase.  For a robust media to thrive, it goes without saying that 
publishers and journalists are expected to comment without fear.  This fear 
of being excluded as ‘outcasts’ and vilified as ‘anti-semites’ has ensured 
that the discourse on Palestine remains severely restricted.

The current head of the Zionist state, Ariel Sharon, who is at the centre of 
the storm that has engulfed Palestine today, was also responsible for the 
Sabra and Chatila massacre in 1982, when up to 2750 Palestinian civilians 
were slaughtered by Israel’s Phalangist allies in Lebanon.  In keeping with 
American media coverage of the Middle East which has largely been 
pro-Israeli, the white-controlled South African media at the time not once 
referred to the Sabra and Chatila  murderers as ‘terrorists’.

Is it a consequence of such shameful and poor journalism, that has led to the 
persistent paranoia about Muslims in general and Palestinians in particular, 
that they are by nature mindlessly violent;  and  the believe that Israel is 
under siege and deserving of sympathy, not censure?

Is it as a result of shoddy, inappropriate analysis by Israeli leaning 
‘experts’ that the Muslim sanctified area of Jerusalem is lamely viewed as 
‘disputed’, when in effect UN Security Council resolution 242 demands the 
complete and unconditional withdrawal of Israeli forces from territories 
captured during the 1967 war, including East Jerusalem?

It is increasingly becoming clear that the processes through which the 
efforts of Western powers coincide with the efforts of their client-states, 
whether in the Middle East, Africa or Asia are there for everyone to see.

But due to an elaborate, almost institutionalized routine which keeps the 
door wide open to uncritical ‘experts’, opposing voices are either 
overshadowed, overwhelmed or ignored.  Writers or producers who take a view 
different from established images are ostracized.  The unfair attack on 
Robert Fisk by The Star’s Ombudsman in recent weeks, demonstrates this.

Indeed, has anyone not wondered why, for example, books by authors such as 
Roger Garaudy, Noam Chomsky, Israel Shahak, Uri Davis and Edward Said are not 
reviewed?

As a further example, the media coverage of Saudi Arabia is quite revealing.  
Here we have the example of  a country which is facing serious economic and 
social problems and a political challenge from an increasingly restless 
populace.  Yet, the conclusions reached by media  commentators, suggest that 
the West is better off with a pliant House of Saud than with revolutionary 
Islamists.

In his landmark study “A Brutal Friendship”, Palestinian author Said Aburish 
claims that the image of Arab leaders and countries are regularly doctored to 
suit their usefulness to Western needs.  Facts are subordinated to images, 
and what filters through to the average person is aimed at inducing them to 
concur with what has already been decided.

Responding to questions in the House of Commons in April 1995 about the 
activities of dissident Arab groups in  London, the then Foreign Secretary, 
Douglas Hurd, making it clear he was speaking about the Saudi opposition, 
stated that Her Majesty’s Government had no intention of allowing London to 
become a centre for terrorist activity.  Hurd was talking about the 
anti-House of Saud efforts of the Committee for the Defense of the Legitimate 
Rights  [of the Saudi people], the CDLR, unchallenged and in the absence of a 
thorough interrogation by the British media on his strange remarks.  Hurd 
demonstrated how image overshadows reality.

Has silence induced by fear of being viewed as anti-Establishment not 
contributed to a political culture in Britain, which five years after the 
Hurd remarks, allows the UK to slip into the statute books of a new Terrorism 
Act, which seriously curtails political activities against tyrants an

Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: re: UTAH town says, "No to U.N.!"]

[John Cone]

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[CTRL] LG: On the Rocks [re: Moon Rocks/Did we really goto the moon?]

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/spacedocumentary/story/0,2763,516753,00.html


On the rocks

In a recent survey, 25% of Americans said they believed that humans have
yet to walk upon the moon. Why do so many people believe such a notion and
is there any hard evidence to convince them otherwise? Surprisingly, there
is.


Special report: space exploration

Dr Matthew Genge
Thursday July 5, 2001
The Guardian


It was the 1957, Elvis had released Jailhouse Rock, Alec Guiness appeared
on the silver screen in a film about a bridge and the USSR had just shocked
the world by launching the first satellite Sputnik. With its eerie beeping,
Sputnik announced the arrival of the space age and turned the cold war from
a brooding silent conflict into a race to reach the Moon.

The winner would prove not only their technological superiority but also
demonstrate the essential virtue of their basic ideology. However, even
with such high stakes would any nation dare go as far as faking landings on
the Moon? In a recent survey, 25% of Americans said they believed that Nasa
did just that and humans had yet to walk upon the surface of our nearest
neighbour in space. But why do so many people believe such an absurd notion
and is there any real evidence to back it up? Surprisingly there is.

Perhaps the most persuasive evidence that the Apollo missions were faked
comes from inconsistencies in the photographs and films taken on the Moon.

Shadows in many of the pictures are cast not in straight parallel lines as
from the Sun but as if they were from a nearby floodlight. Nasa would say
that perspective and an uneven land surface have the same effect but then
they would say that wouldn't they?

Then there are the crosses that were etched on the lenses of the Apollo
cameras. These should always be on top of the objects in the pictures.

However, sometimes they're not, suggesting that the images were added
later.

Is this evidence that the pictures were faked? Possibly, but it could also
be that the bright objects are over-exposed, such as in flash photography,
and the crosses have been bleached out.

How about the identical hills in photographs taken on supposedly different
parts of the Moon? Surely this is evidence that the same set was used to
fake the images? The spokesperson for Nasa would no doubt shrug and say
that one bit of the Moon looks very much like another and perhaps they'd be
right.

The list of Apollo inconsistencies goes on and on and it would perhaps be
unfair to dismiss the observant souls who have noticed them as crackpots.
As with most conspiracy theories, it's just a case of who you want to
believe.

So is there any irrefutable evidence that the Apollo missions really took
place, that the most momentous landmark event in human history actually
happened and that we haven't all been taken for one huge PR ride? Luckily
the answer is in the rocks.

The Apollo missions returned 382 kilograms of rock and there is one thing
that is absolutely clear, they are not from Earth. The oldest Apollo rocks,
for example, are 4.44bn years old and thus formed some 640m years before
the oldest rocks found on Earth. The great age of the lunar rocks is
because the Moon, unlike our planet, is geologically dead and thus its
rocks have not been disrupted by the churning of its interior and its
volcanoes are long ago extinct.

The Apollo rocks also lay testament to a very fiery birth that boiled away
most of the Moon's lighter elements. This revelation led directly to the
realisation that our Moon formed from the hot debris of a giant impact with
the Earth only 50m years after our planet itself formed. There are no rocks
on Earth that tell such a story.

There would be no way to fake these rocks. Stuffing the right elements into
minerals so they appear to be ancient simply can't be done. It's a case of
the round hole and the square peg. Only if the peg starts off round and
through billions of years of radioactive decay ends up square, by turning
itself into another element, can it make it into the mineral.

Perhaps then the Apollo samples really aren't Earth rocks at all but some
rare meteorite cleverly adopted by Nasa? However, the oxygen they contain
is very different from known meteorites (except those from the Moon) and
similar to that of the Earth. Only if the Apollo rocks come from an object
that formed at a similar distance from the Earth as the early Sun could
this be explained. The Moon is, of course, the prime candidate.

Conspiracy theories are unfortunately such attractive notions to the human
psyche that scientific evidence, however elegant, often fails to impress.
There is, however, one final piece of evidence. Although they never put a
cosmonaut on the Moon, the Soviets landed the Luna probes which returned
100 grams of lunar soil. They are identical to the Apollo samples. Case
dismissed.



* Dr Matthew Genge is a meteorite scientist at the Natural History Museum
where an Apollo Moon rock can be seen on exhibit

[CTRL] AP: Bush Nominating Mueller to Head FBI

[MIKE SPITZER]

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Bush Nominating Mueller to Head FBI

The Associated Press Thursday
July 5, 2001; 10:37 a.m. EDT


WASHINGTON ?? President Bush is nominating Justice Department veteran
Robert Mueller to head the FBI and try to help the agency rebound from a
string of recent embarrassments that ranged from bungled documents to the
unveiling of a spy.

Bush was to announce his selection of Mueller in a Rose Garden ceremony
Thursday morning, said a senior White House official on condition of
anonymity. Attorney General John Ashcroft was interrupting his Independence
Day vacation in Missouri to attend.

Mueller, a U.S. attorney in San Francisco, was long considered the
front-runner to replace retired FBI Director Louis Freeh at the helm of an
agency troubled in recent years.

Among the FBI's problems were a maverick independent streak, its
snake-bitten relationship with the Clinton administration and a series of
mishaps, including the botched investigation of former nuclear scientist
Wen Ho Lee, and the mishandling of evidence in the Oklahoma
City bombing trial that forced the postponement of Timothy McVeigh's
execution.

In February, the FBI discovered that one of its own, veteran FBI agent
Robert Hanssen, had been spying for the Russians for more than 15 years.

Mueller's nomination had been expected since last month, when Bush abruptly
asked aides to take one last look at the field of possible candidates.

The White House is seeking to rein in the independent-minded FBI and the
president, aides said, wanted a director who defers to the Justice
Department.

Mueller remained the strongest candidate to fit this bill. The former
acting deputy attorney general won the support of Attorney General John
Ashcroft by aiding in the transition from the Clinton administration.

Mueller was acting deputy attorney general from January until last month,
when he returned to California to resume his job as U.S. attorney in San
Francisco. Prior to his California posting, Mueller was chief of the
homicide section at the U.S. attorney's office in
Washington, D.C.

Mueller has been given significant government appointments by both Bush's
father, President George H.W. Bush, and President Clinton.

Under the first President Bush, Mueller was named assistant attorney
general in charge of the Justice Department's criminal division. In that
post, Mueller supervised the prosecutions of Manuel Noriega and John Gotti
and headed up the investigations of the BCCI banking scandal
and the 1988 bombing of Pan Am 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland.

Mueller also was assistant to Attorney General Richard Thornburgh and was a
federal prosecutor in Boston and California, where he investigated and
prosecuted major financial fraud, narcotics, terrorist and public
corruption cases.

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[CTRL] DRUDGE: CONDIT LOOKING FOR NEW INTERNS

[MIKE SPITZER]

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CONDIT LOOKING FOR NEW INTERNS


Congressman Gary Condit is now looking for new interns, the California
lawmaker's website reveals.

"Whether interning in Modesto, Merced, or Washington D.C., working in one
of Rep. Condit's offices can be an extremely rewarding experience," notes

http://www.house.gov/gcondit/intern_opportunities.htm.

"Typical duties of Interns can range from assisting with phones to
researching legislative projects."

The invite comes as the furious parents of missing D.C. intern Chandra Levy
are threatening to appear in campaign commercials attacking their
daughter's "good friend," Condit, if he decides to run for re-election.

MORE

Detectives investigating the disappearance of Levy have interviewed six
women who said they have had romantic relationships with Condit, the
WASHINGTON TIMES reported, quoting a law enforcement source.

Meanwhile, a close relative of the intern missing for eight weeks told
police that the woman confided she was having an affair with Rep. Gary
Condit and had received gifts from the California congressman, including a
gold bracelet and airline tickets. The relative told USA TODAY and
investigators that Chandra Levy spent evenings at Condit's apartment in
Washington.

Condit has said through a spokesman that he had no such relationship with
Levy and that he knows nothing of her disappearance.



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[CTRL] USAToday: Relative: Intern said she got gifts from Condit

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07/05/2001 - Updated 11:15 AM ET

Relative: Intern said she got gifts from Condit

By Tom Squitieri and Kevin Johnson
USA TODAY


WASHINGTON ? A close relative of an intern missing for eight weeks told
police that the woman confided she was having an affair with Rep. Gary
Condit and had received gifts from the California congressman, including a
gold bracelet and airline tickets.

The relative told USA TODAY and investigators that Chandra Levy, 24, spent
evenings at Condit's apartment in Washington and had dinners with him.
Condit has been questioned twice about Levy's disappearance. Police say he
is not a suspect, and they continue to treat the matter as a missing-person
case.

Condit has said through a spokesman that he had no such relationship with
Levy and that he knows nothing of her disappearance. His office questioned
the connection between any possible gifts and the disappearance. "I don't
know anything about this stuff ? the tickets, the conversations, the
bracelet, anything," Condit chief of staff Michael Lynch said. "If people
are convinced there is a relationship, show us how it is related to the
disappearance."

The relative provided these and other details to Washington police, the FBI
and attorneys representing the Levy family.

Levy was last reported seen on April 30. In a statement, Condit called Levy
"a great person and a good friend."

A senior police official said Wednesday that authorities have determined
the content of their relationship, but the official would not elaborate.
The official said investigators are devoting all of their energies to
locating the missing woman.

Also:

? Police said a meeting with Condit's wife would occur at any time. Law
enforcement authorities said Washington police detectives and FBI agents
would conduct the questioning of Carolyn Condit, who was in Washington
visiting her husband from April 28 to May 3. A high-ranking police official
said Wednesday that investigators want to question her about what she might
know about Levy and her disappearance.

? Condit canceled three holiday appearances Wednesday in his district,
which includes Modesto, where the Levy family lives. Lynch said "another
circumstance arose that he (Condit) had to attend to."

? On Tuesday, the congressman responded to statements by a Seattle flight
attendant who told Fox News that Condit encouraged her to sign an affidavit
denying an affair. Flight attendant Anne Marie Smith said Condit suggested
she did not have to cooperate with authorities investigating the Levy case.
"I have not asked anyone to refrain from discussing this matter with
authorities, nor have I suggested anyone mislead authorities," Condit said
in a written statement made public Tuesday.

Smith told Fox News that she and Condit met on cross-country flights and
that she broke off the relationship when she learned about Levy's
disappearance.

The FBI questioned Smith while assisting Washington police with the Levy
disappearance. Levy, a federal Bureau of Prisons intern, vanished after May
1.

The close relative who spoke with USA TODAY told authorities that Levy
confided in her about a relationship with Condit during two holiday visits
to the relative's home in Maryland ? the most recent in early April, three
weeks before her disappearance ? and in telephone conversations.

In her April visit, Levy showed off a gold bracelet on her right wrist, the
relative said. The intern said the jewelry was a gift from the congressman.
The bracelet has not been reported found.

In another conversation, Levy said the congressman arranged to provide
airline tickets for a trip to California so she could deal with her college
studies.

According to the relative, during time at Condit's apartment, the
congressman and Levy would share Ben & Jerry's low-fat ice cream. On the
occasions when they would leave the apartment, Condit and Levy would have
dinner in the suburbs, eating Thai food or sushi, the relative has told
authorities.

Levy last contacted the relative April 29 and left a message on the
relative's answering machine.

The relative quoted Levy as saying: "I have big news."


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[CTRL] [Fwd: Is the U.K. gun ban OK?]

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Title: Is the U.K. gun ban OK?



More ammunition and proof that the NWO's gun-control policy benefits no-one but "them". ~ Honeybee.

Commentary: Is the U.K. gun ban OK? 
By IAIN MURRAY, Special to United Press International

Wednesday, 4 July 2001 14:43 (ET)

WASHINGTON, July 4 (UPI) -- When we read about children carrying weapons, of 
course we worry. Their inexperience and naiveté could lead them to do stupid 
things with tragic consequences.

Therefore, it is only natural that one response should be to push for more 
restrictions, to make it more difficult for children to get access to 
weapons. If it works for children, why shouldn't it work for adults? If we 
want to stop criminals carrying guns, for instance, wouldn't the best way be 
to restrict everyone's access to them?

One of the best ways of checking hypotheses like these is to look at actual 
"tests" of the theories. The test lab in this case is the United Kingdom, 
with its subjects being the guinea pigs, as the government enacted strict 
gun control 
laws five years ago following an especially tragic school shooting. But the 
results so far are not good.

We in the United States were shocked, for instance, when the Josephson 
Institute of Ethics revealed data in April that showed that 14 percent of 
all high school pupils -- and 21 percent of all boys -- had carried a weapon 
to school at least once in the past year. Addressing these findings, a 
spokesperson for Handgun Control told Time.com: "The least we can do is keep 
guns out of kids' hands."

That's exactly what Britain's strict gun laws aim to do, but, according to a 
survey for the U.K. government's Youth Justice Board released recently, 
fully 26 percent of high school-age pupils there have carried a weapon for 
aggressive or defensive purposes in the past year. Unfortunately, neither 
survey broke down the results by weapon type (although 17 percent of the 
British children admitted carrying a knife). But worryingly, among British 
"excluded" pupils (those who had been suspended or expelled from school), a 
staggering 23 percent claimed to have had access to a gun in the last year.

This is in a country where it is virtually impossible to get access to a gun 
legally. Some commentators have suggested that part of the reason that the 
current outbreak of foot and mouth disease spread so rapidly there was 
because veterinarians could not shoot infected animals on the spot as they 
are now forbidden to carry pistols. Yet we have evidence that almost a 
quarter of the children who need the most help in avoiding taking the wrong 
path have access to firearms. Strict gun laws don't seem to be helping them 
much.

Nor are they helping hold down crime in general. The recent International 
Crime Victimization Survey, which provides a good indication of overall 
crime levels around the world, shows that, while crime fell dramatically 
during the 1990s in the United States and most of the rest of the world, it 
has remained steady in Britain and Australia (which also enacted a gun ban 
during the late Nineties).

Meanwhile, gun crimes are increasing. According to London's authoritative 
Sunday Times, the number of firearm offences in the United Kingdom increased 
almost 40 percent from 4,903 in 1997 to 6,843 in 2000. These are still small 
figures in comparison to the United States, but the trend is the opposite of 
what might be expected.

It does not seem that Britain can be said to be a safer place as a result of 
the gun ban. The police there have traditionally gone unarmed, but the 
number of incidents in which police officers have had guns issued to them in 
recognition of potential danger increased from about 6,000 in 1994-95 to 
more than 12,000 in 1997-98. And with such incidents come the inevitable 
mistakes: British police recently shot dead a drug dealer in his own 
bedroom. He was both unarmed and naked at the time.

Nor has strict control had much effect on the number of guns available to 
criminals. U.K. police estimate that there are nearly 300,000 illegal guns 
in circulation there -- one for every 200 people. To put that figure in 
perspective, the leading U.S. authority on gun numbers, Gary Kleck of 
Florida State University, estimates that 180,000 guns are used in crimes in 
the United States each year. So despite the strict gun control laws, there 
are more than enough illegally held guns in the United Kingdom to allow gun 
crime there to reach U.S. proportions.

These figures speak for themselves. The United Kingdom enacted strict gun 
control laws and has achieved a rise in gun crime, a decline in safety and a 
position where access to firearms among delinquent children seems 
commonplace. These are valuable lessons for us here. If we enact strict gun 
laws nationwide, we cannot expect to see a swift drop in crime or our police 
able to do their jobs with less risk. Most of all, we cannot expect such 
laws to free delinquent children from the seduction of the gun

[CTRL] NM: Clinton Precedents May Save Condit

[MIKE SPITZER]

-Caveat Lector-

With Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff

For the story behind the story...

Thursday July 5, 2001; 10:57 a.m. EDT


Clinton Precedents May Save Condit


It looks pretty bad for California Congressman Gary Condit, especially now
that a witness -- a former paramour no less -- has come forward fingering
him in an attempt to get her to lie about their relationship.

Now Condit may go to jail, legal experts say, even if he had nothing
whatsoever to do with the disappearance of 24-year-old Washington, D.C.
intern Chandra Levy, the event that brought him into the spotlight in the
first place.

Still, with newly emerging details driving ever more accusatory reportage
since 39-year-old flight attendant Anne Marie Smith went public claiming an
affair with the married Washington pol, it's easy to forget that the case
against Gary Condit, so far at least, is all about sex.

And as Bill and Hillary Clinton taught the nation three years ago, all
manner of criminal wrongdoing can be justified, as long as it's in the
cause of covering up sexual misconduct.

After all, how many Anne Marie Smiths tumbled out of Mr. Clinton's closet
to allege they'd been threatened to silence them?

And many of the incidents described by the Clinton women -- death threats,
burglaries, vandalism and more -- were far more ominous than anything even
hinted at by Smith in her Monday Fox News interview.

Gennifer Flowers, Paula Jones, Liz Ward Gracen, Juanita Broaddrick -- they
all alleged sexual contact with Clinton (in Jones and Broaddrick's cases,
that contact was unwanted). And after coming forward, all had their income
tax returns audited.

The same reporters now breathing heavily over Condit's attempt to get Smith
to sign a false affidavit erupted in a collective yawn at Clinton's blatant
misuse of the IRS to persecute his accusers.

Then there's Sally Perdue and Kathleen Willey, both of whom reported
suffering physical violence, threatened as well as realized. Willey says
her cat was killed and her car vandalized. And she told prosecutors that a
stange man had approached her two days before she testified in the Paula
Jones case to threaten her children by name.

Even when a private detective came forward saying he'd been hired by the
White House to conduct a "noisy investigation" of Willey designed to
intimidate her, the shocking news was barely reported, let alone
investigated.

As for Ms. Perdue, a named Democratic campaign operative told her in the
presence of a named witness that she'd have her legs broken if she didn't
lay low. When she went public anyway, her car windows were shot out and she
was fired from her job.

Afforded no protection whatsoever by journalists who dismissed her story
based on White House claims she was nuts, Perdue fled to China one step
jump ahead of a subpoena from Paula Jones lawyers.

Instead of pursuing the hair-raising accounts from these women, Beltway
pundits complained that Mr. Clinton's privacy was being invaded. "Who
doesn't lie about sex?" they unceasingly reminded, rallying the public to
his defense with the notion that, "They all do it."

Now that Mr. Condit has been caught doing it, however, it's
stop-the-presses news.

Is it because, in the case of the California congressman, there's a dead
body -- or at least a young intern missing for so long investigators
unofficially presume she's now dead?

Even though there's no evidence whatsoever that so far ties him to Chandra
Levy's disappearance, the mere fact that he was romantically involved with
her -- no one believes his denials on that point -- has made Condit the
center of the investigation.

Strangely, nothing like that happened to Hillary Clinton, when her lover
turned up dead in an out-of-the-way Virginia park just six months after the
Clintons ascended to the White House.

Like Condit, Mrs. Clinton has repeatedly denied having any sexual
relationship with her late Whitewater lawyer, Vince Foster, who was found
with a bullet in his head eight years ago this month.

But numerous witnesses, both on and off the record, have attested to the
Clinton-Foster affair, offering far more details linking the two than have
emerged to tie Condit to Levy.

For instance, no one has come forward to say they've seen Condit and Levy
in the throws of passionate foreplay. Not so Clinton and Foster. At least
two of Mrs. Clinton's former bodyguards say they saw the couple hugging,
kissing and playfully groping one another.

Even a once-trusted member of the Clintons' inner White House circle, David
Watkins, has emerged to say the two were sexually involved.

But unlike Condit, Mrs. Clinton never became the focus of any investigation
into Foster's death. In fact, through five federal investigations lasting
over three years, probers never once asked Mrs. Clinton about her affair
with the dead man.

None of this is to say that the California congressman should be let off
the hook. Indeed, the level of media scrutiny is about right for somebody
who h

[CTRL] AP: Clinton friend says he's insane

[MIKE SPITZER]

-Caveat Lector-




Ex-Rep. Mezvinsky Plans Insanity Plea


PHILADELPHIA (AP) -- Former Rep. Edward M. Mezvinsky, charged with
swindling banks and clients out of $10.4 million, will plead innocent by
reason of insanity to fraud charges, defense papers say.

Lawyer Mark E. Cedrone notified U.S. District Judge Stuart Dalzell that
Mezvinsky, 64, would raise the insanity defense based on a long history of
mental illness, ''most likely bipolar disorder.''

''Essentially, Mr. Mezvinsky takes the position that even though he may
have engaged in much (although not all) of the conduct attributed to him in
the indictment,'' he did not intend to defraud anyone, Cedrone wrote in
papers filed Tuesday in federal court.

Mezvinsky, who represented a district in Iowa from 1973 to 1977, is married
to former U.S. Rep. Marjorie Margolies-Mezvinsky, D-Pa., who served from
1993 to 1995.

Because of Mezvinsky's mental illness, Cedrone wrote, ''he did not
appreciate the wrongfulness of his conduct and consequently, was legally
insane.''

Cedrone said the illness affected his client's judgment, blinding him from
the risks associated with a pyramid-like financial scheme he allegedly
entered into with con artists from Africa. In a pyramid scheme, early
investors are paid off with the proceeds of later investors.

''An individual suffering from a severe bipolar disorder sees no downside
to even the most bizarre financial investment,'' Cedrone said, adding that
such people ''frequently go bankrupt and destroy their lives and the lives
of others.''

He said Mezvinsky's mental problems were exacerbated by the use of the
anti-malaria drug Lariam.

The federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention advises travelers
not to take the drug, also known as mefloquine, if they have ''a history of
severe mental illness or other psychiatric disorders.''

Mezvinsky was indicted in March on 66 counts of fraud and related charges.
The next day, he filed a lawsuit in Philadelphia Common Pleas Court
alleging that Lariam contributed to his mental problems.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Robert A. Zauzmer has said that after looking at
Mezvinsky's medical records and researching the drug, authorities concluded
the defense had no merit and Mezvinsky was in his right mind.

Under federal sentencing guidelines, he would likely face around seven to
nine years in prison if convicted on all counts, prosecutors said.

Since 1999, Mezvinsky and his wife have been the target of lawsuits
alleging they owe at least $7.4 million to banks and individuals.
Margolies-Mezvinsky has not been charged with any criminal wrongdoing. Both
have filed for bankruptcy.

After leaving Congress, Mezvinsky moved to Pennsylvania, where he served as
chairman of the Democratic State Committee before running an unsuccessful
campaign for state attorney general in 1988.

His wife lost her bid for re-election to Congress in 1994 after casting the
deciding vote in favor of former President Clinton's tax-raising budget in
1993. She ran unsuccessfully for lieutenant governor in 1998.

Both are good friends of the Clintons.

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[CTRL] [Fwd: re: UTAH town says, "No to U.N.!"]

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Title: A spark is struck! UTAH town says, "No to U.N.!"



A spark is struck!  UTAH town says, "No
to U.N.!"This to inform you that today, 4th of July, 2001, the city of Laverkin, Utah, struck a
spark for liberty.  The city council passed a local ordinance declaring
themselves a "United Nations-free Zone,"
effective immediately.  It is now illegal to fly the U.N. flag on city
property.  The city has forbidden itself from doing business with the
United Nations in any way.  It also forbids doing business with contractors
who do.  As soon as possible, they will post a sign on the city limits
signs at all approaches to the city, stating, "Welcome to Laverkin - a United
Nations-free Zone by city ordinance, 2001."The City Fathers of
Laverkin were careful to preserve the First Amendment rights of all citizens to
fly any flag from their private property.  Mayor Dan Howard and Councilmen
Allison Snow were particularly pleased with the community support.  Where
normally five to ten people show up for a city council meeting, there were 150
citizens present for this 225th birthday of the USA.The Laverkin version
has modifications from the version drawn up by Dr. Herb Titus and myself. 
I am waiting to see what changes they made.  The original version forbids
the paying of any levy, tax or fee to any United Nations agency, forbids any
judgement by any International Court to be imposed upon local citizens, forbids
the quartering of United Nations troops in the city limits, forbids the forcing
of local citizens for involuntary servitude as soldiers under a United Nations,
etc.  (You can see the original at the link below.)United Nations-free Zone
OrdinanceMayor Jay Lee, of nearby Virgin, Utah,
expressed his support, even though he was disappointed that Virgin did not beat
Laverkin to the punch.  In a conversation with Mayor Lee tonight, he told
me that nearby Toquerville has asked for someone to present the ordinance to
their next town council meeting.  Can city councils do something
like that? Well, there's a pretty good precedent, which apparently withstood
several court challenges in the Sixties, when Berkeley, California, decided to
declare themselves a "nuclear-free zone."  It really didn't affect the city
of Berkeley so much as it affected the national debate.  Supporters of this
ordinance agree that the psychological effect is probably the greatest.  It
expresses the way people feel about the United Nations, and about their own
nation's sovereignty.  As one in Virgin told me last week, "American has a
lot of problems, and nobody's saying it's perfect, but I would rather they be
fixed by Americans than by some foreign bureaucrat who has no clue about what
makes America work."The legal doctrine of "interposition of the lower
magistrate" is well recognized.  When a higher governmental authority
either breaks the law, or refuses to enforce it, it is the right and the duty of
lower magistrates to intervene and function as a check and a balance on the
system.  That is how Magna Carta was passed in 1215.  It's how the
Declaration of Independence was passed in 1776.  It's how Sheriff Richard
Mack sued the US government over the Brady Bill, and at great personal cost,
wound up with a Supreme Court decision declaring Brady as
unconstitutional.  It's how Army Spc. Michael New said, "No, I'll not
violate my exclusive oath of allegiance to my country by wearing a United
Nations patch and headgear, and serving under foreign (illegal) officers." 
And it's how the town of Laverkin, Utah, tells "elected servants of the
The People" that they have gone too far.Inquiries from towns all over
the United States are beginning to roll in.  The question now becomes,
"What will this nation do with such a spark?"  Will it die for lack of
tinder?  Will others nurture it, and add fuel to the fire, and strike other
sparks in their communities?What can I do?  If you know your
city councilors, or county commissioners, and if they are already informed on
the threat the United Nations poses to our national sovereignty, to our very
concept of private property, to freedom, then get a copy of this ordinance and
urge them to pass it.  If they aren't informed, then don't go in and badger
them with this out of the blue.  Start today, educating them to this issue,
and their role in protecting the private property of our local citizens. 
Pass it on.  Daniel NewTexashttp://www.UNWatch.com/Real
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[CTRL] AP: Torricelli's Rating Lower in Poll

[MIKE SPITZER]

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Torricelli's Rating Lower in Poll

by JOHN P. McALPIN
Associated Press Writer



TRENTON, N.J. (AP) -- Sen. Robert Torricelli's approval rating has dropped
to its lowest level amid a federal investigation into his campaign
fund-raising, according to a poll released Thursday.

Thirty-seven percent of New Jersey voters disapprove of the Democrat
compared with 35 percent who favor him, according to the Quinnipiac
University poll.

It was the lowest rating in the poll for Torricelli since he was elected to
the Senate in 1996.

''The constant hammering is taking its toll on Senator Torricelli,'' said
Maurice Carroll, director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute.

Polls by Quinnipiac University indicate Torricelli's approval rating has
dropped slowly but steadily this year, from 46 percent in February to 41
percent in May.

The investigation into Torricelli's finances originally focused on his
successful 1996 Senate campaign, in which he raised more than $9 million.
Torricelli has never been charged, but seven people have pleaded guilty to
making illegal donations to his campaign.

Some prominent political figures say they are thinking about challenging
Torricelli, including former Republican presidential candidate Steve Forbes
and former Gov. Tom Kean.


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[CTRL] Message not approved: Is the U.K. gun ban OK?

[c.]

anyone know this bunch? i recieved one mail and i sent a (in no way rude or 
destructive) mail to the list in reply and received this back.and i seem to have 
been removed from the list- "banned member" so i cannot even recieve mail 
now. how nice. i bet i am missing lots of bad craziness if this was anything to 
go by.
 
"moderator" charming. anyone know who it is?
 
what a bunch of feeble spirits there are around. 
 
"God Bless and Peace be with you"
 
may the baby jesus shut your mouth and open your mind.
 
your houses are made of glass.
 
 
- Original Message - 
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To: "c." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 11:06 PM
Subject: Message not approved: Is the U.K. gun ban OK?
> This group is opposed to the New World Order-one world 
> Godless government.  Not for it, as you appear to be.  Your 
New > World Order views are not welcome here.> > God Bless 
and Peace be with you,> > Moderator.> 

[CTRL] UK'a Guardian And Observer Sued Over Report On Bush

[Steve]

-Caveat Lector-

   UK'a Guardian And Observer
   Sued Over Report On Bush

 My Paper Sued By Company Over Investigation
Into Links To Bush, Human Rights Abuses

  From Gregory Palast
   http://www.GregPalast.com
7-5-1

   In retaliation for the investigative story about the 
finances
   of the George W. Bush campaign, Barrick Gold Mining of
   Canada has sued my paper, the Observer of London, for
   libel. The company, which hired the elder Bush after his
   leaving the White House, is charging the newspaper with
   libel for quoting an Amnesty International report which
   alleged that 50 miners may have been buried alive in
   Tanzania by a company now owned by Barrick.

   The company has also demanded the Observer and its
   parent, Guardian Newspapers, force me to remove the
   article from my US website, an frightening extension of
   Britain's punitive libel laws into the World Wide Web. The
   company has also issued legal threats against Tanzanian
   human rights lawyer, Tundu Lissu, one of the Observer's
   independent sources and an investigator of the mine-site
   allegations.

   The attack by Barrick and its controversial Chairman,
   Peter Munk, one of the wealthiest men in Canada, who
   boasts of his propensity to sue, also aims to gag my
   reporting on his company's purchase of rights to a gold
   mine in Nevada - containing $10 billion in gold - for a
   payment of under $10,000 to the US Treasury.

   My Observer story, Best Democracy Money Can Buy,
   looked into the activities of several corporations linked to
   the Bushes. It was in that article I first disclosed that 
over
   50,000 Florida voters, most of them Black, were wrongly
   tagged as ,Ä?felons,' and targeted for removal from the
   voter rolls. My follow-up reports in Salon.com, Nation and
   the Washington Post and on BBC-TV's Newsnight
   provided the basis for the US Civil Rights Commission
   finding of massive, wrongful voter disenfranchisement in
   Florida.

   My entire continuing investigation is in jeopardy. It is
   difficult to imagine how my paper, owned by the non-profit
   Scott Trust, myself and human rights lawyer Lissu can
   withstand the financial punishment of litigation by the
   centi-millionaire Munk and his corporation.

   In its latest Annual report, Amnesty says it cannot verify
   the allegations of the mine killings because the
   government continues to resist an independent
   investigation. Yet, Barrick wants our paper to state what
   we know to be untrue, that independent investigation
   found the charges completely baseless. Yet our quoting
   Amnesty is no defense. Americans cannot conceive of the
   medieval operation of British libel law. It does not permit
   the defense of "repetition" - straightforward reporting on
   the statements of human rights groups is banned, a gag
   nearly as effective as Burmese law.

   Independently of Amnesty, attorney Lissu went to the mine
   site and provided our paper with witness statements.
   Tanzanians have offered their services to help defend
   against censorship in Britain, a poignant reversal for our
   paper which, with imperial pomp, has launched a 'Press
   Freedom Campaign' to excoriate developing nations over
   gagging journalists.

   '10 Little Piggies,' Adnan Khashoggi, and The Greatest
   Gold Heist Since Butch Cassidy

   Peter Munk's reputation p

Re: [CTRL] The Contradictions of Capitalism

[Nurev Ind.]

-Caveat Lector-

"M. A. Johnson" wrote:
>
> -Caveat Lector-
>
> Nessie Chants
>Capitalism and free markets are inherently contradictory.
>Capitalism can't exist in a free market because capitalism
>requires the state. Without the armed might of the state to
>protect them, corporations can't exist.
> flw
> Most statists don't understand that there is a big difference
>  between capitalism (essentially State Corporatism) and the
>  free market.

The is no such thing as the " Free Market." If there is, I'd like
you to show it to me. If you can't show it to me, then you are no
different from other superstitionists who claim there is a heaven and Hell.

> MJ
> You apparently fail to grasp the difference between PRIVATE and
> GOVERNMENT. Only when one REDEFINES capitalism does one
> create the link with the State. One can have OTHER economic
> systems AND maintain a 'free market' (as limited as it might
> be), but a free market is REQUIRED for capitalism.

Johnson is completely whacky. He doesn't even live on this planet.
I wonder if he believes in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy as well?

>
> flw
>The very concept of "limited legal liability" and the legal fiction
> granted corporations that they are "citizens" and entitled to
> Bill of Rights protection contradict the concept of free markets.
> These are essentially statist concepts which are anathema to
> any concept of free markets.

What BOTH you guys are dismissing, is that all this grew out of Capitalism,
and now you claim that it's not Capitalism. But of course it is. Because
the essentials have not changed. Private ownership of the means of production,
and the coersion of the State to protect private property ( the Rich ).

> MJ
> Yes.  Corporations are a creation of Government -- having NOTHING
> to do with capitalism.

See. This guy is insane.

> flw
>Regulatory Agencies and corporations go hand in hand.
>The FDA; SEC; FDA; etc. etc. are all beloved by corporations
>since they are manipulated by the incestuous Corporate State.

This is true for Capitalism or other forms of economies where society
is organized as a powerful state.

> MJ
> Pull-Peddling Politicians seek tribute from the MANY factions
> willing to pay them.
>
> Regard$,
> --MJ
>
> There is simply no other choice than this: either
> abstain from interference in the free play of the
> market, or to delegate the entire management of
> production and distribution to the government.
> Either capitalism or socialism: there exists no
> middle way.  —Ludwig von Mises

More bullshit from Ludwig. There is no reason that it has to be either or.
Both have failed miserably. The Commies are dead. Now it's the turn of
Capitalism.

Enjoy it while it lasts boys. Capitalism is now bumping up against Nature.
Nature NEVER, NEVER loses.

Joshua2

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Re: [CTRL] FDR- Pearl Harbor and the Holocaust j2

[Nurev Ind.]

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flw wrote:
>
> -Caveat Lector-
>
> The evidence indicates FDR knew about Pearl Harbor and
> did nothing; now it is clear he knew about the impending Holocaust
> and did nothing. Now we know what FDR really stands for:
> "F**king Dirty Rat."
> flw

Starting to get a clue. Good.

This might come as a news flash to YOU, but WE knew about it all
the time. There was NO ONE who would, or could prevent the mass
annihilation of the Jews in Christian Europe.

That is why Israel enjoys the unconditional support it gets from
the world's Jews. That is not to say that it behaves properly. It
doesn't. It behaves like a modern state. But if it comes down to brass
tacks, we always want to have a place to go. It's a matter of survial.
Not intellectual games for fat and sassy Americans and Europeans sitting
safe at home.

J2
===
>
> THE TIMES
> WEDNESDAY JULY 04 2001
>
> Allies 'were told of Holocaust in 1941'
>
> BY BEN MACINTYRE
>
> BRITISH and American intelligence services knew of Nazi genocide plans months 
>earlier than previously thought,
> according to a newly declassified document in the United States, but did not warn 
>Jews of the impending
> Holocaust.
> A report written in November 1941, obtained by British agents and passed to the US 
>in March 1942, stated
> unequivocally that it had been decided to eradicate the Jews.
>
> Most historians had concluded that the West did not become aware of the Holocaust 
>until August 1942. The
> information came from Gonzalo Montt Rivas, the Chilean consul in Prague, in a report 
>to his superiors in
> Santiago.
>
> The consul described a German decree that Jews living abroad could no longer be 
>German subjects and that their
> property would be confiscated by the Nazis. Then, interpreting the decree, he wrote: 
>"The German triumph (in
> the war) will leave Europe freed of Semites. It has been decided to eradicate all 
>the Jews and send some to
> Poland and others to the town of Terezin, while looking for a more remote place."
>
> The consul may have been working for German intelligence, despite his country's 
>neutrality, according to
> Richard Breitman, chief historian for the government agency overseeing 
>declassification of wartime records at
> the National Archives and Records Administration.
>

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Re: [CTRL] Did You Know That...

[Nurev Ind.]

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Nessie wrote:
>
> -Caveat Lector-
>
> > They should have confiscated the guns from the dishonest citizen too
>
> It can't be done. By definition, only law abiding citizens obey the law.
>

That's the point!

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: SIGHTINGS

[Nurev Ind.]

-Caveat Lector-

Aleisha Saba wrote:
>
> -Caveat Lector-
>
> Well Donna J. Logan aka June aka the Rev. Coal - you had claimed your
> father was the local dog catcher and this was when you were kicked off
> this one list for being such a trouble maker and so obnoxious.

AAA ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. If that aint the
pot calling the kettle ( rev coal ) black.

This proves that given enough time in front of a keyboard, even an
organism as brainless as a fungus can come up with a funny.

Joshua2

>
> You really do not know what Plum Island is all about, do you.
>
> Saba

>
> Your father must have been a very nice man to bring you home from the
> pound - for anyone else, you would have been the first to be executed.
>

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Re: [CTRL] Israeli Official Calls Illegal Palestinians 'Lice'

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"Prudence L. Kuhn" wrote:
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> -Caveat Lector-
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> In a message dated 07/03/2001 12:42:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> << I recall another time and another country where
>  government officials called some in their country
>  "lice" and "vermin." I think it was a country in
>  Europe and was about 60 years ago.
>  flw >>
>
> Isn't there some kind of bitter proverb that says we become what we hate?
> Prudy

Funny, you don't look Jewish.

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[CTRL] Former militia official ready to testify in Sharon trial

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Friday July 6, 12:37 AM
http://sg.news.yahoo.com/010705/1/18ufh.html

BEIRUT, July 5 (AFP) -
  A former militia official, who was implicated in the 1982
massacres at the Sabra and Shatila Palestinian refugee camps, said
Thursday he was ready to testify in Brussels, which is probing
whether to try Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon for his role in
the killings.

  "For 19 years now, I have been carrying the weight of this
accusation without having had the opportunity to prove my innocence,"
said Elias Hobeika, who was the head of the intelligence services of
the now-disbanded Christian Lebanese Forces at the time of the
massacres.

  "I am ready to appear before justice in Belgium, The Hague, New
York, Milano, or anywhere else," he said in a press conference here.

  Belgian prosecutors have requested that a war crimes case,
based on class-action suits filed against Sharon by an ad-hoc Arab
group and by survivors from the 1982 massacres of between 800 and
2,000 civilians, be considered admissible.

  Sharon, then defence minister, plotted Israel's 1982 invasion
of Lebanon, during which Israeli-allied Lebanese Christian militiamen
slaughtered Palestinian civilians in the Sabra and Shatila refugee
camps, which were in Israeli-controlled West Beirut.

  The Israeli Kahana commission of inquiry in 1983 found Sharon
indirectly responsible for the killings, prompting the former
general's resignation as defence minister and years in the political
wilderness before his election as prime minister in February.

  "What is important is that this case be brought before an
equitable justice, far from political pressures," said Hobeika, who
later became a pro-Syrian ally and a government minister between
1991-1998 after the end of Lebanon's 15-year civil war that ended in
1990. Hobeika only lost his parliament seat in elections last year.

  "I will be coming with evidence to prove my innocence and with
facts of what happened during this period, which once exposed, will
lead to other results than those of the Kahana commission," he said.

  "I am sure that the (Belgian) court will establish a totally
different version from the Israeli version," said Hobeika, who did
not give any further detail on his evidence.

  Hobeika said that the "Kahana commission, which is not a
reference when it comes to impartiality, has accused me of having
carried out these crimes without allowing me to defend myself."

Copyright © 2001 AFP.

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[CTRL] Don't worry about overpopulation. Nature deals with defective species.

[Nurev Ind.]

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> Human Sperm In Dramatic Decline Scientists Warn
> By Aaron Derfel Montreal Gazette
> www.montrealgazette.com 7-3-1
>Scientists from around the world are alarmed by a
> dramatic increase in
> genetically damaged human sperm - a trend that is
> not only causing
> infertility in men, but also childhood cancers in
> the offspring of those who
> can reproduce.
>
> It's now estimated that up to 85 per cent of the
> sperm produced by a healthy
> male is DNA-damaged, a leading authority on the
> subject revealed yesterday at
> an international conference being held in Montreal.
>
> "That's very unusual," said John Aitken, head of
> biological sciences at the
> University of Newcastle in Australia.
>
> "If you were to take a rat or a mouse or a rabbit,
> usually more than 80 per
> cent of their sperm would be normal."
>
> For the last 20 years, scientists have known about
> declining sperm counts.
> But researchers are now learning that the quality of
> human sperm is steadily
> eroding, and might be causing birth defects as well
> as brain cancer and
> leukemia in children.
>
> Abnormal sperm is also being blamed for a global
> increase in testicular
> cancer - a disease that strikes men in their 30s.
> Scientists believe that
> when a DNA-damaged sperm fertilizes a woman's egg,
> it can trigger a mutation
> of a key gene in the embryo.
>
> And even if men today can reproduce, their damaged
> sperm might lead to
> infertility in their male progeny, Aitken suggested.
> "You're likely to see
> lots of diseases that are related to poorer semen
> quality."
>
> Scientists suspect a wide range of environmental
> causes for the abnormal
> sperm - from exposure to pesticides and heavy metals
> to electromagnetic
> radiation.
>
> "We're all exposed to 10 times more electromagnetic
> radiation than our
> forefathers," Aitken said. "It's all the electrical
> appliances we use,
> including microwave phones."
>
> There is a consensus in the scientific community
> that men who smoke cause
> damage to their sperm, and that this might be
> responsible for childhood
> cancers. "If you are a man and you smoke, your semen
> profile won't be
> obviously affected," Aitken said. "You'll still have
> lots of sperm swimming
> around and you'll be fertile. But the DNA in your
> sperm nucleus will be
> fragmented."
>
> The average ejaculate of human sperm contains 80
> million spermatazoa, each
> genetically programmed to fertilize a woman's egg.
> Scientists examining human
> sperm have discovered that not only are sperm counts
> on the decline, but that
> the vast majority of sperm is sluggish, poorly
> structured, their DNA
> fragmented and that they generate a lot of cellular
> waste called free
> radicals.
>
> "Generally speaking, everything is bad with the
> sperm," Aitken said.
>
> Fortunately for most couples, it's the undamaged or
> least damaged sperm that
> tends to fertilize the egg.
>
> As a result of increasing male infertility,
> scientists have developed a new
> technique to help couples conceive. It's called
> Intra-Cytoplasmic Sperm
> Injection (ICSI). In the lab, a technologist will
> take from the would-be
> father a single sperm, or even a cell that is on its
> way to becoming a sperm,
> and fertilize it in the test tube with the woman's
> egg. The resulting embryo
> is then transferred to the woman's uterus.
>
> Dr. Keith Jarvi, of the University of Toronto-Mount
> Sinai Hospital, said the
> ICSI technique has revolutionized the treatment of
> male infertility. But he
> wondered about the health outcomes of the ICSI
> children.
>
> That human sperm is of poorer quality than that of
> other mammals is not
> surprising. The human species is the only one that
> wears clothes, and healthy
> sperm need to be kept a couple of degrees cooler
> than the full body
> temperature. But clothing alone is not responsible
> for the extent of abnormal
> human sperm, Aitken argued.

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[CTRL] Fwd: Falun Gong in China

[William Shannon]

U.S. DEPARTMENT OF STATE
Office of the Spokesman

For Immediate Release
July 5, 2001

STATEMENT BY RICHARD BOUCHER, SPOKESMAN

Falun Gong in China

The United States is deeply disturbed by reports that China has further
intensified its harsh repression of the Falun Gong.  The June 20 deaths
of over a dozen Falun Gong practitioners in Wanjia Labor Camp in Harbin
City, Heilongjiang Province, China is particularly troublesome.  Our
sympathies go out to the families of the victims.

There are conflicting accounts of what actually occurred at Wanjia
Labor Camp, but the reports of violence and torture against these Falun
Gong practitioners at the hand of Chinese authorities are chilling.

In the past, we have conveyed our strong concern to the Chinese
government on their crackdown on the Falun Gong and we will continue to
do so.  We call on China to respect freedom of thought, conscience and
religion, to allow all persons to practice their religious faiths
freely, and to end the cycle of repression on the Falun Gong.

In particular, we call on China to release from the so-called "re-
education through labor camps" practitioners of Falun Gong and others
held for exercising their fundamental human rights.   The Chinese
Government has claimed a mass suicide among Falun Gong practitioners in
some of the camps.  Others insist the deaths were caused by torture and
mistreatment.  The point is that these people should never have been
incarcerated in such camps in the first place.

We also call on China, on an urgent basis, to allow unrestricted visits
to these camps by the International Red Cross and other impartial
international bodies to look into the treatment prisoners receive.
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[CTRL] Newly Released Docs Confirm Trotsky Recieved Help

[William Shannon]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,516859,00.html



MI5 detained Trotsky on way to revolution

Public records: Russian was arrested on British orders in 1917 on a boat in
Canada but released after intervention by MI6

Richard Norton-Taylor
Thursday July 5, 2001
The Guardian


Leon Trotsky, the creator of the Red Army, was detained on the orders of MI5
in a move which could have prevented him from playing any part in the Russian
revolution and its aftermath, reveal hitherto secret documents released
today.

The papers show that had it not been for the intervention of an officer of
the Secret Intelligence Service, MI6, - who believed the evidence against him
was provided by an agent provocateur - the leading revolutionary might have
had no place in history.

Papers made available at the Public Record Office show how MI5, and the
French and Spanish security services, monitored Trotsky's movement in the
months leading to the revolution in February 1917 which overthrew the Tsarist
regime.

The previous autumn Trotsky was expelled from France after his Paris paper,
Nashe Slovo (Our Word) was suppressed on the grounds it was subversive and
anti-war. He set off for Madrid, "surrounded by spies" who, he noted,
regarded him as as a "dangerous terrorist agitator".

In Madrid he was immediately arrested, jailed, and taken to Cadiz where he
was told he was going to be put on a boat to Havana. But after angry
protests, Trotsky was allowed to remain a few more days and sail, instead, to
New York.

Trotsky explained his predic-ament in a postcard to a Russian contact in
London, Georgy Tchitchrine. "Dear Comrade," he wrote, "I press your hand
warmly... I hope that we may meet once again in the ranks of fighters for the
common cause. Yours, Trotsky".

The card never reached its destination.. It was intercepted by MI5.

MI5 continued to monitor Trotsky's activities. In a telegram from New York to
London, dated March 22, 1917, an MI5 agent warned: "An important movement has
been started here among Socialists, with a view to getting back Revolutionary
Socialists into Russia ... with [the] object of establishing a Republic and
initiating Peace movement; also of promoting Socialistic Revolutions in other
countries, including the United States".

The "main leader", the tele-gram noted, "is Trotsky", who was planning to
leave the US for Russia. A few days later, the MI5 agent dispatched a
mess-age to London saying Trotsky had set sail "with $10,000 subscribed by
Socialists and Germans" on the way to Petrograd, now St Petersburg.

The agent ordered the ship to be detained when it stopped at Halifax in
Canada. Trotsky was arrested with five Russian comrades. There he could have
remained, had it not been for the intervention of the Secret Intelligence
Service, MI6.

Claude Dansey, an MI6 officer, had also just landed at Halifax. "I told
Captain Malkins, the Naval Control Officer, that I believed the new Russian
government would at once ask for Trotsky's release, and that we should be
unable to hold him, and that, unless they were very certain of the source of
information against him it would be much better to let him go before he got
angry," he noted.

Dansey was told by the MI6 station chief in New York, William Wiseman, that
the information against Trotsky had come from a Russian agent "in whom he had
great confidence."

However, Dansey reported: "I then asked him a few questions about the man,
and from what I gathered, there is a strong possibility that he was an agent
provocateur, used by the old Russian Secret Police. I told Wiseman he had
better be discharged at once, and he said that he was going to do so."

Within four weeks of his arrest, to MI5's chagrin, Trotsky and his fellow
revolutionaries boarded another ship heading for Russia.

Documents released today show MI5 continued its campaign right up the
Bolsheviks' October Revolution of 1917. "Until such men as Trotsky are
finally convicted, anti-war agitation will be carried on in the factories of
Petrograd, Moscow...and Leninite doctrines will continue to be promulgated
among the simple-minded peasantry," it warned.

An MI5 file on Eamonn de Valera, the Irish nationalist leader, is also
released today though many pages have been withheld.

Marked "Personal File 1" - the first of the 300,000 or so files MI5 has since
accumulated on individuals - it includes informants' reports in 1917 on his
plans to build up a force of 500,000 volunteers.

His victory for Sinn Fein in a byelection that year gave "enormous impetus to
the disloyal movement", says an MI5 report.

Re: [CTRL] China Targets U.S. Airborne Laser

[Aleisha Saba]

-Caveat Lector-

I think if the Chinese knew what we already had they would speak in a
softer voice.

Remember Clinton sold them missile system and if these missiles are
turned and fired on the USA the USA has the power to turn them around
and send back to sender.

Look for Red Star to fade away...but again, it only burns bright 3
months in a year.

Saba

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[CTRL] Sinn Fein and Jihud is Forever

[Aleisha Saba]

IRISH NEWS ROUND-UP
http://irlnet.com/rmlist/

Monday-Thursday, 4-7 July, 2001


1.  LOYALISTS KILL CATHOLIC TEENAGER
 * Outrage as Trimble smears victim

2.  Talks move to escape bad Hillsborough memories
3.  Reprisals feared over parades rulings
4.  SF makes UN submission on human rights
5.  RUC block compensation
6.  Donegal pylon campaigners win case
7.  New Dublin mayor roasted over bin charges
8.  Turkish hunger strike raised in Dail
9.  Feature: Life in a sectarian state
10. Analysis: Wrecking the Agreement


--


>> LOYALISTS KILL CATHOLIC TEENAGER



 Ciaran Cummings, a Catholic teenager, was shot dead by a loyalist
 murder gang in Antrim on Wednesday morning as he waited for a
 lift to work.

 Neighbours yesterday said a scream shattered the peace of the
 close-knit community at Donore Crescent shortly before 8am. The
 sound marked the moment when the Cummings family were told that
 their son had been brutally cut down as he waited, as he did
 every day, for a lift to work at FG Wilson in Newtownabbey.

 According to eyewitnesses, two men on a motorbike drove past him,
 then got off the bike and pretended to fix something on the
 machine. As Cummings walked past, the pair opened fire,
 apparently with a shotgun, hitting him several times. He was
 initially shot in the back then, as he lay on the ground, in the
 head.

 According to reports, the 19-year-old died at the scene.

 Ciaran had recently threatened by loyalists, said Sinn Fein
 councillor Martin McManus, who firmly believes the LVF was
 responsible for the killing.  The loyalist death squad has been
 very active in the Antrim area in recent years and in the recent
 past had threatened Ciaran Cummings and other young Catholics in
 the Antrim area.

 According to McManus, the LVF unit that came into being in the
 Antrim area after the split in the UVF has been involved in at
 least seven killings, the most recent of which were the killings
 of Sean Browne and Ciaran Heffron.

 Bellaghy GAA stalwart Sean Browne was found dead in his burned
 out car on the Randalstown Road on 12 May 1997 and 22-year-old
 Heffron was found dead in Crumlin village on 22 April 1998, in a
 killing claimed by the LVF.

 In the recent past LVF elements have been raising tension in the
 Antrim area. The loyalists, concerned to protect their drugs
 market, have been embroiled in attacks on PUP representatives who
 have opposed drug dealing. However, the main targets of these
 attacks have been Catholics living in isolated areas of Antrim
 town.

 The Red Hand Defenders, in a statement released through a Belfast
 newsroom, claimed responsibility for the killing, saying it was
 in response to the election of two Sinn Fein councillors to
 Antrim Borough Council in June's elections. The Red Hand
 Defenders (RHD) tag has been used as a flag of convenience for
 both the LVF and UDA in claiming responsibility for their actions
 over the past week.


 TRIMBLE SMEARS VICTIM

 In an extraordinary intervention, Ulster Unionist leader David
 Trimble attempted to blame republicans for the  killing, even
 after the RUC accepted it was a sectarian attack.

 "I know that yesterday's statement came from one of these
 dissident loyalist groups but there is good reason to suspect
 that republicans were behind the Antrim murder," he said, adding
 that he believed the factory-floor worker was involved in drugs
 and racketeering.

 Sinn Fein's Martin McGuinness described the comments as "a
 disgrace" and said they should be withdrawn. The Cummings family
 were too distraught by the murder of Ciaran to respond.

 Meanwhile, ordinary citizens as well as political figures are
 being targeted by murder gangs across the North and nationalists
 are being urged to be extremely wary.


 BULLETS THROUGH THE POST

 At least three Catholic families in Armagh received a bullet
 through the post today from a loyalist muder gang. The bullets
 were delivered to the families, all living in mixed areas of
 Armagh city, in the morning mail. Each was wrapped in a piece of
 paper with the message "24 Hours" scrawled on it.

 Elsewhere, a Catholic man escaped when a petrol bomb was thrown
 into a bedroom of his flat in the County Antrim seaside town of
 Portrush.

 He was woken by the sound of breaking glass as the device landed
 in his home at Glenanna Drive at 2 a.m. and managed to get out
 before the fire, later put out by the fire service, took hold.

 Earlier in Carrickfergus, County Antrim, there was an arson
 attack on St Nicholas's Catholic Church in Minorca Place. A fire
 was started inside the church at about 2.30 a.m. It was quickly
 put out and there was no serious damage.


 KILLINGS RAISED IN DAIL

 Sinn Fein TD Caoimhghin O Caolain said there is "deep anger" that
 at a time of loyalist killings, church burnings and intimidation
 of schoolchildren, almost all the political and media focus is on
 the 

[CTRL] More on UN Humanitarians With Big Whips and Power over Life or Death

[Aleisha Saba]

 
July 5, 2001

So Said DRUNKEN BUM TED TURNER;   "right now there are just too many
people on this planet"

Saba


Vol. 17, No. 14

by William F. Jasper
By virtually banning DDT use worldwide, the UN's POP treaty will condemn
millions to death by malaria — a desirable result in the eyes of those
seeking radical depopulation.

A brutal mass murderer is stalking the planet. Each year he kills
millions and leaves millions more injured. Incredibly, while expressing
concern over his carnage, the United Nations — with the help of the
U.S. government — has given him a free pass to keep up his deadly
rampage.

The killer's name is malaria, and the United Nations Convention on
Persistent Organic Pollutants (known as the POP Convention) will give
this murderous plague permanent protected status. The UN POP Convention,
signed by representatives of more than 100 nations in Stockholm on May
23rd, is heralded by the radical eco-lobby and the media as a tremendous
boon for humankind and the planet. Yet, the POP treaty is, in truth, a
global death warrant for millions — and, potentially, hundreds of
millions — of human beings.

"Malaria, which had been eliminated or effectively suppressed in many
parts of the world, is undergoing a resurgence," warned the Institute of
Medicine of the National Academy of Sciences in 1996. "It is a public
health problem today in more than 90 countries inhabited by some 2,400
million people — 40 percent of the world's population. Malaria is
estimated to cause up to 500 million clinical cases and 2.7 million
deaths each year. Every 30 seconds, a child somewhere dies of malaria.
The global effects of the disease threaten public health and
productivity on a broad scale and impede the progress of many countries
toward democracy and prosperity."

"The human dimensions of malaria are staggering. It is, by far, the most
devastating and deadly parasitic disease in the world," notes the
Malaria Foundation International (MFI), one of the world's leading
anti-malaria organizations. Or as Dr. Wenceslaus Kilama, chairman of
MFI, has stated, the current malaria epidemic "is like loading up seven
Boeing 747 airliners each day, then deliberately crashing them into Mt.
Kilimanjaro."
Unnecessary Deaths

The most staggering aspect of malaria's horrendous death toll, however,
is the fact that most of these deaths are unnecessary. Millions of lives
could be saved and the suffering of hundreds of millions prevented for
relatively small cost — and with "old" technology. That technology is
DDT (dichlorodiphenyltrichlorethane), a pesticide that has proven to be
a veritable godsend to mankind, even as it has been subjected to a
campaign of vilification over the past four decades.

Dr. Roger Bate, a director of Africa Fighting Malaria, a South African
non-governmental organization, reminds us that the heroic
malaria-eradication program following World War II used DDT as its
primary weapon. "This program succeeded in North America and southern
Europe, and greatly reduced incidence in many other countries," says Dr.
Bate. "Spraying DDT in houses and on mosquito breeding grounds was the
primary reason that rates of malaria around the world declined
dramatically after the Second World War," Dr. Bate notes in his study,
When Politics Kills: Malaria and the DDT Story, published by the
Competitive Enterprise Institute. "Nearly one million Indians died from
malaria in 1945, but DDT spraying reduced this to a few thousand by
1960. However, concerns about the environmental harm of DDT led to a
decline in spraying, and likewise, a resurgence of malaria.

Today there are once again millions of cases of malaria in India, and
over 300 million cases worldwide — most in sub-Saharan Africa. Cases
of malaria in South Africa have risen by over 1000 percent in the past
five years. Only those countries that have continued to use DDT, such as
Ecuador, have contained or reduced malaria."

The MFI reports that due to Sri Lanka's use of DDT in a mosquito
abatement program, "in only 8 years, Sri Lanka went from a million cases
of malaria a year to only seventeen." When the DDT spraying was stopped,
however, "malaria rebounded to nearly a million cases a year" within a
decade.

Dr. Bate records similar results in Africa:
Not long after DDT was removed from malaria control in South Africa in
1996, disease rates rocketed, particularly in northern KwaZulu Natal. A
serious problem was that Anopheles funestus mosquitoes developed
resistance to synthetic pyrethroids — the main alternative to DDT —
making the switch an expensive and futile exercise. According to
Rajendra Maharaj, head of vector control at the South African department
of health, it is unlikely that [Anopheles] funestus would ever have
returned had DDT remained in use.

One need only compare malaria rates in South Africa, Swaziland and
Mozambique to see the effect of banning DDT. Swaziland never halted DDT
spraying and infection rates range between 2 and 4 per cent. A short
distan

[CTRL] China Targets U.S. Airborne Laser

[William Shannon]

http://www.geostrategy-direct.com/



China targets U.S. airborne laser

   
China has turned its sights on the U.S. Air Force’s airborne laser program as 
part of its world-wide propaganda campaign against missile defense, according 
to U.S. intelligence officials.
   
The airborne laser is being developed by the Air Force as a theater ballistic 
missile defense system — and not a national missile defense capable of 
knocking out long-range missiles.
   
According to intelligence officials, the Chinese government has targeted the 
airborne laser program in its propaganda effort.
   
“They are trying to lump it with strategic missile defenses,” said one 
official. “At the same time, they are developing their own laser weapons.”
   
A Pentagon report issued last year said that China is acquiring a variety of 
foreign technologies with applications for anti-satellite weapons, including 
lasers.
   
Pentagon intelligence agencies believe China already has lasers capable of 
tracking and photographing satellites and is said to be seeking an advanced 
radar system that would track satellites in low earth orbit. Such 
capabilities are the first step in being able to knock out orbiting 
satellites with laser guns.
   
“In addition, China already may possess the capability to damage, under 
specific conditions, optical sensors on satellites that are very vulnerable 
to damage by lasers,” the report said. “Beijing also may have acquired 
high-energy laser equipment and technical assistance, which probably could be 
used in the development of ground-based ASAT weapons. Given China's current 
level of interest in laser technology, Beijing probably could develop a 
weapon that could destroy satellites in the future.”
   
The airborne laser is a laser gun fitted inside a militarized Boeing 747 jet. 
It is being designed to hit short-range missiles during the boost-phase of 
their flight by focusing its beam on the shell of the missile frame.
   
The laser burns a hole in the shell, causing the missile to break apart. The 
first test of the laser against a missile in flight is set for 2003.
   
The Air Force insists the weapon will be limited to short-range missiles — to 
avoid violating the 1972 Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty between Moscow and 
Washington. 

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Bush selects new FBI director

[c.]

-Caveat Lector-

- Original Message -
From: "Aleisha Saba" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Bush selects new FBI director


> -Caveat Lector-
>
> Well John Gotti's neighbors thought he was a wonderful man; he was very
> generous with his money and a good family man.
>
> Paula Poundstone - her neighbors and in particular the children, think
> she is so wonderful, for she bought them things and had a big fire truck
> take them for rides..very generous with her money and oh such a
> wonderful mother?
>
> Guess it depends who will be testifying on the witness stand?
>
> How To Win Friends and Influence People type stuff?
>
> Prefer a John Gotti to a Paula Poundstone, yet both seem to buy their
> way into most enviable positions.
>

what the hell are ya talking about paula for- who is more guilty, the
soldier killing under order or the orderer?

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Re: [CTRL] Mass Shooting In Colorado

[Bill Howard]

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In a message dated 7/5/01 12:46:28 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< "The Denver Post, citing an unidentified source, reported that Stagner
had recently been treated for schizophrenia and may have stopped taking
his medication" >>

The real question needs to asked and answered. What was this man doing out on
his own? Why wasn't he kept in a locked facitity where he could be monitored?
People with mental problems can not be counted on to remember to take their
medications.

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Re: [CTRL] Jeanette Westbrook's '99 conference presentation on the legal system

[Smart News]

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Dear List,

Below please find the url and description for this.

Sincerely, Neil Brick


This may be heavy for survivors of abuse.

excerpt from http://members.aol.com/smartnews/jw99.html

Jeannette Westbrook, MSW, CSW, works with victims of ritual crime and mind
control. She is a survivor of ritual-based mind control which she believes
involved Mormons, Masons and high-ranking local officials. She has pursued
criminal prosecution of some of her perpetrators. She has served on the
Kentucky Attorney General's Task Force on Child Sexual Abuse. She will speak
about "Getting Justice in an Unjust System."

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[CTRL] Mass Shooting In Colorado

[M. F. Abernathy]

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The gunman is described as suffering from 'schizophrenia'-- was that
*really* his problem?

---

" Stagner had been ranting about "hellfire and damnation" at a liquor
store near the scene of the shootings, said owner Linda Trujillo. She
said Stagner bought a mini-bottle of whiskey and a Gatorade but she ran
him off when he started yelling at passers-by."



"The Denver Post, citing an unidentified source, reported that Stagner
had recently been treated for schizophrenia and may have stopped taking
his medication"


===

Man accused of killing 3 gave warning, friend says

The Associated Press


RIFLE, Colo. (July 5, 2001 1:01 p.m. EDT) - The man accused of killing
three people and wounding four in a rampage through an RV park warned a
friend he planned to shoot some people and then himself, according to
the friend, who says he dismissed it as a joke.
Hours before the shooting Tuesday night, Mike Stagner, 42, made the
threat casually to bartender Ted Diaz Jr. at The Sports Corner bar. Diaz
said he had known Stagner to make suicidal threats. "I blew it off," he
told the Rocky Mountain News. "He was always either going to jump off a
bridge or shoot himself, but this morning I was shocked when I found out
it was him."

Stagner, who has a long criminal record, was arrested Tuesday night and
held on three counts of first-degree murder and four counts of attempted
first-degree murder. Police were investigating whether the shootings
were race-related. Stagner is white and the victims were believed to be
Latino. Earlier Tuesday, Stagner had been ranting about "hellfire and
damnation" at a liquor store near the scene of the shootings, said owner
Linda Trujillo. She said Stagner bought a mini-bottle of whiskey and a
Gatorade but she ran him off when he started yelling at passers-by.

The Denver Post, citing an unidentified source, reported that Stagner
had recently been treated for schizophrenia and may have stopped taking
his medication. The rampage began when Juan Hernandez-Carillo was shot
and killed as he talked on a pay phone outside City Market.

Police said Stagner then walked across the parking lot toward the
trailer park, shooting a 19-year-old Mexican immigrant, identified by
witnesses as Anjelica Toscono. Toscono was in critical condition with a
gunshot wound to the head. When Stagner reached the trailer park, he
fatally shot two men sitting outside a small mobile home and drinking
beer, authorities said. Their names were not immediately released.

The gunman walked all the way through the trailer park before shooting
and wounding three more men, two in their car and one outside his home,
investigators said. Stagner then walked back out through the park,
stopping only to reload, police said. As residents fled, Stagner crossed
back to the supermarket parking lot, where police arrested him, city
manager Selby Myers said.

Members of Hernandez-Carillo's family said he had come to Rifle from
Mexico and had been working for a plant nursery. Relatives said they
were trying to get enough money to send his body back to Mexico to be
buried. "He was everybody's friend," daughter Maria Dolores Hernandez
said. His brother, Guadalupe Hernandez, said he didn't think the
shootings were racially motivated. "I think he's crazy," he said.

Over the last 20 years, Stagner has been arrested on numerous charges
including burglary, assault, drug possession and drunken driving.






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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Bush selects new FBI director

[Aleisha Saba]

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Well John Gotti's neighbors thought he was a wonderful man; he was very
generous with his money and a good family man.

Paula Poundstone - her neighbors and in particular the children, think
she is so wonderful, for she bought them things and had a big fire truck
take them for rides..very generous with her money and oh such a
wonderful mother?

Guess it depends who will be testifying on the witness stand?

How To Win Friends and Influence People type stuff?

Prefer a John Gotti to a Paula Poundstone, yet both seem to buy their
way into most enviable positions.

Saba

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Bush selects new FBI director

[c.]

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- Original Message -
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How do we know he sits in this jail cell all alone - like an Al Capone
of yesteryar; however, I find the wrong man was on trial here - it shold
have been the guy who admitted to murder in open court of 19 people?

Saba

>>>who is more guilty- the man who orders the killing or the man who carries
it out? we forgive the soldiers- but not the politicians - just ask
slobodon.

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[CTRL] Fw: ENEMIES OF DEMOCRACY

[YnrChyldzWyld]

  ---Original Message---
  
  Date: Monday, July 02, 
  2001 05:47:38 PM
  Subject:- ENEMIES OF DEMOCRACYForwarded News ItemPlease 
  copy and distribute to other interested individuals and 
  groups**When you read the following, keep in mind 
  that the two most influential science journals in the world, Nature and 
  Science magazines, devote approximately 50% of their pages to slick 
  advertisements, mostly from biotechnology, pharmaceutical and chemical 
  companies. The same is true for the top mainstream medical journals. 
  Editorial boards of all of them are stacked with fanatical advocates of 
  biotechnology and drugs, millionaire doctors and scientists with personal 
  financial vested interests in continuance of the corporate-dominance in 
  science and medicine. Against this backdrop, any scientific or 
  health-related discovery which would disempower the multinationals must 
  remain small-scale and relatively hidden, or risk being smashed to bits. 
  Internet is the only true "free market" information resource, with "open 
  competition" for new ideas 
  andapproaches.J.D.===Electronic 
  Edition.. ... RACHEL'S ENVIRONMENT & 
  HEALTH NEWS #725 ... ---May 24, 2001--- ... HEADLINES: ... THE 
  ENEMIES OF DEMOCRACY ... == ... Environmental Research 
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  .=THE 
  ENEMIES OF DEMOCRACYThe enemies of democracy are flexing their 
  muscles. A corporate front group calling itself Frontiers of Freedom has 
  petitioned U.S. tax officials to revoke the tax-exempt status of 
  Rainforest Action Network (RAN), a major environmental organization (www.ran.org). If successful, the petition 
  would put Rainforest Action Network out of business, and would open the 
  door for lethal attacks on other environmental advocates. Frontiers of 
  Freedom acknowledged to the WALL STREET JOURNAL that, if successful 
  against RAN, "it will challenge other environmental 
  groups."[1]Frontiers of Freedom was founded in 1995 by Malcolm 
  Wallop, a former U.S. Senator (R-Wyo.) and "friend of vice-president Dick 
  Cheney," according to the WALL STREET JOURNAL. The JOURNAL reports that 
  Frontiers is funded by Philip Morris Companies, R.J. Reynolds Tobacco 
  Holdings, Inc., and the Exxon Mobil Corporation.This latest 
  corporate attack on freedom of speech, freedom of association and freedom 
  of assembly, is not random. It is part of an accelerating campaign to 
  replace representative democracy with control by corporate 
  elites.Now a new book, TRUST US, WE'RE EXPERTS! by Sheldon Rampton 
  and John Stauber, provides a chilling, documented history of ongoing 
  corporate efforts to use propaganda and "public relations" to distort 
  science, manipulate public opinion, discredit democracy, and consolidate 
  political power in the hands of a wealthy few.[2]The Big Idea 
  behind the anti-democratic corporate-power movement is that people cannot 
  be trusted to make political decisions because they are irrational, 
  emotional, and illogical. This cynical view of humans is widely held by 
  the public relations industry's experts but also by the scientific experts 
  they employ to 'guide' the public. For example, physics professor H.W. 
  Lewis (University of California, Santa Barbara), a well-known risk 
  assessor, says people worry about non-problems like nuclear waste and 
  pesticides because they are irrational and poorly educated.  "The 
  common good is ill served by the democratic process," he says. (pg. 
  111)If people are not rational they cannot be guided by reason, so 
  they must be manipulated through emotion, PR experts say (thus justifying 
  their own propaganda services). For example, a spokesperson for 
  Burson-Marsteller, a PR firm that manipulates the public on behalf of 
  Philip Morris, Monsanto, Exxon Mobil and others, told the Society of 
  Chemical Industry in London in 1989, "All of this research is helpful in 
  figurin

[CTRL] Fwd: Bush selects new FBI director

[Aleisha Saba]

Only thing I do not like about this man, he prosecuted John Gotti.

The Chief Prosecution witness against John Gotti had murdered 19 people
and to prove his honesty and integrity, he admitted this on the witness
stand.

So Gotti went to jail and the informer went free.  As free as he could
with a pretty dark cloud hanging over his head.

So John Gotti's daughter now has a column in New York newspaper; she had
written a book - and proceeds on her merry way.

But something more serious is lurking in the background; John Gotti
sentenced to solitary confinement for the rest of his life - really?

How do we know he sits in this jail cell all alone - like an Al Capone
of yesteryar; however, I find the wrong man was on trial here - it shold
have been the guy who admitted to murder in open court of 19 people?

Saba


President Bush congratulates Justice Department veteran Robert Mueller
III on Thursday after announcing his nomination as

FBI director.Bush selects
new FBI directorAides say pick reflects his
intention to rein in agency

MSNBC STAFF AND WIRE REPORTS

    WASHINGTON, July 5 —  President Bush on Thursday nominated
Justice Department veteran Robert Mueller to a 10-year term as director
of the FBI, a selection that aides said reflects the president's
intention to rein in and reform the troubled investigative agency. 
          
 
  Mueller's nomination was telegraphed last month, but Bush put the
nomination on hold and ordered the search for an FBI chief expanded.
       BUSH, SPEAKING AT a news conference in the Rose Garden at
which he was joined by Mueller and Attorney General John Ashcroft, said
his nominee had established himself as a man of "fidelity, bravery and
integrity."
       "The FBI must remain independent of politics and
uncompromising in its mission.
       Bob Mueller's experience and character convinced me that
he's ready to shoulder these responsibilities," Bush said.
       With his wife, Ann, at his side, Mueller (pranced
MULL-er) pledged to "enforce our nation's laws fairly and with respect
to the rights of all Americans" if he is confirmed by the Senate.
       Mueller, 56, a U.S. attorney in San Francisco, has long
been considered the front-runner to replace retired FBI Director Louis
Freeh.
       Mueller's nomination was telegraphed last month, but Bush
put the nomination on hold and ordered the search for an FBI chief
expanded.
       Aides told The Associated Press before the announcement
that Bush wanted a director who will defer to the Justice Department.
       
WON ASHCROFT'S SUPPORT
       Mueller remained the strongest candidate to fit this
bill. The former acting deputy attorney general won the support of
Ashcroft by aiding in the transition from the Clinton administration.
Advertisement

       Mueller was acting deputy attorney general from January
until last month, when he returned to California to resume his job as
U.S. attorney in San Francisco. Prior to his California posting, Mueller
was chief of the homicide section at the U.S. attorney's office in
Washington, D.C.
       Under former President George Bush, President Bush's
father, Mueller was named assistant attorney general in charge of the
Justice Department's criminal division. In that post, Mueller supervised
the prosecutions of Manuel Noriega and John Gotti and headed up the
investigations of the BCCI banking scandal and the 1988 bombing of Pan
Am 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland.
       Mueller also was assistant to Attorney General Richard
Thornburgh and was a federal prosecutor in Boston and California, where
he investigated and prosecuted major financial fraud, narcotics,
terrorist and public corruption cases.
       
CONFIRMATION CONSIDERED LIKELY
        Because he was worked with both Republican and
Democratic administrations, Mueller is considered likely to win Senate
confirmation.
       But critics of the agency, which has been beset by a
series of foul-ups, made it clear they expect better once a new
management team is in place.
       Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy, D-Vt.,
said in a statement that Mueller inherits an FBI "beleaguered by a
series of high-profile mistakes and by a culture that too often does not
recognize and correct its errors."
       Promising confirmation hearings on Mueller's nomination,
Leahy added: "I will be interested in hearing Mr. Mueller's views, his
willingness to acknowledge and correct the bureau's problems and his
ability to meet these challenges head-on."
       The agency is the subject of four separate reviews
following a series of embarrassing incidents, including the failure to
turn over thousands of pages of documents to lawyers for Oklahoma City
bomber Timothy McVeigh, who was executed on June 11.
       Among the reviews is a top-to-bottom examination by a
strategic management team set up by Ashcroft.
       The agency's troubles have led to a lack of confidence by
the public. A recent NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll found that a
plurality

[CTRL] Stamping Out the Bad Guys

[radman]

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"Stamping Out the Bad Guys"
eWEEK (06/18/01) Vol. 18, No. 24, P. 53; Moad, Jeff

The U.S. Postal Service (USPS) implemented the first phase of
its Compliance Monitoring and Anti-Money Laundering System in
June 2000, which has cost the organization about $5 million
and three years to develop. The system collects data on
suspicious or large money order transactions, which are then
cross-referenced with accounts monitored by financial
institutions. According to the U.S. Department of the
Treasury, about $170 million is laundered through post offices
across the nation each year via a "layering" system, which
criminals use to break up illegal funds into smaller amounts,
convert into money orders, and then deposit into bank accounts
without arousing suspicion. The new system took an inordinate
amount of time to develop due to changes in regulations, which
are expected to change again in 2001, and the establishment of
employee training programs. (www.eweek.com)

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[CTRL] Cyber terror in the Air

[radman]

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http://www.securityfocus.com

Cyber terror in the Air

Ancestral voices are prophesizing infowar again, and netizens may be falling
for it.

By Kevin Poulsen June 30, 2001 11:00 PM PT

According to a study released last week, seventy-five percent of Internet
users around the world now believe in cyber terrorism-the theory that
terrorists will soon inflict massive casualties on innocent lives by
attacking corporate and governmental computer networks. Now, if only we
could get the terrorists to buy it.

The survey, conducted in 19 major cities around the world by Euro RSCG
Worldwide, an advertising agency network, found that 45% of respondents
agreed completely that "computer terrorism (against corporations and
governments) will be a growing problem." And another 35% agreed somewhat.

I have to admit, I have some doubts about the survey. The vague phrase "will
be a growing problem" leaves a lot of wiggle room -- the problem certainly
can't shrink much, hovering as it is at zero cyber terrorist incidents per
year. And the study also found that netizens' greatest technology-related
fear is "the fusion of humans and computers," with one-in-four worried that
"computers will grow too powerful for people to control." If you do your
polling at a Terminator film festival you'll come up with all sorts of
screwy answers.

But statistics aside, there's no doubt that cyber terror, and its
nation-state equivalent, infowar, is in the zeitgeist. Witness the feverish,
panting diatribes on the subject that have muscled into mainstream forums in
the last two months.

The influential journal Foreign Affairs lent space to a silly rant by
iDefense's James Adams about hackers blacking out cities and killing
emergency 911 systems "with a couple of keystrokes." His point, after a few
mischaracterizations of recent events and liberal use of apocalyptic
imagery, is that the U.S. Defense Department needs to be placed in charge of
protecting all U.S. networks from cyber attack. Cooler heads might wonder if
the Pentagon shouldn't get the hang of securing its own computers first.

Meanwhile, no less an authority than The New Yorker assured us in May that
"sophisticated terrorists... now have the ability to crash satellite
systems, to wage economic warfare by unplugging the Federal Reserve system
from Wall Street, even to disrupt the movements of ships at sea."

Finally, the cyber terror hype reached breakfast tables around America with
Andrea Stone's June 19th article in USA Today, titled 'Cyberspace: The next
battlefield'.

"[A]n adversary could use ... viruses to launch a digital blitzkrieg against
the United States. It might send a worm to shut down the electric grid in
Chicago and air-traffic-control operations in Atlanta, a logic bomb to open
the floodgates of the Hoover Dam and a sniffer to gain access to the
funds-transfer networks of the Federal Reserve," writes Stone.

There is a virus at work here, but it's not the troublesome
W32-ShutDownAllPowerInChicago.worm. It's a misinformation virus, and
credulous publishers are playing the role of Microsoft Outlook.

Part of the problem is that no one has a vested interest in debunking the
myth of the information apocalypse. A little doom-saying doesn't hurt the
computer security industry, the Defense Department could always use a little
extra cash from Congress, hackers enjoy their image as dangerous terrorists
whose very fingertips are deadly weapons, and journalists like writing
things like "digital blitzkrieg" and "information apocalypse."

Adding to the mess, some defense planners actually believe this stuff.
Hidden behind language like "asymmetric warfare" is a textbook demonstration
of fallacy from a Logic 101 course:

1. Computers can be disrupted by viruses.

2. The power grid is controlled by computers.

3. Therefore, terrorists and foreign governments can cause massive blackouts
with viruses.

National security planners see deadly logic bombs raining down on Chicago --
it works that way with real bombs, after all. This is high-level thinking.
Really high, where the air is thin and the real nature of cyber attacks
isn't visible.

A more down to earth 'Electric Power Risk Assessment' conducted by the
Clinton White House's National Security Telecommunications Advisory
Committee in 1997 found that the power grid was indeed vulnerable to
computer intruders. However, "Despite the growing concern about cyberspace
attacks, the physical destruction of utility infrastructure elements is
still the predominant threat to electric utilities," reads the report.

To cause even a brief, regional blackout cyber terrorists would have to find
a path to control networks that are usually isolated from the Internet. They
would spend time conducting critical node analyses, learn to communicate
with remote telemetry systems using proprietary, undocumented protocols, and
all the while avoid detection for weeks, or even months, while building and
maintaining their access.

We'd live i

[CTRL] Govs Use Your Net Service to Spy on You

[radman]

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Govs Use Your Net Service to Spy on You

http://cryptome.org/DIRT-bags.htm
Cryptome  4-Jul-01

THE DIRT ON BIG BROTHER
HE CAN USE YOUR NET SERVICE TO SPY ON YOU
http://cryptome.org/DIRT-bags.htm

Spies can bust into your computer without leaving their office.

By Alex Roslin

NOW | JUN 8 - JUL 4, 2001 | VOL. 20 NO. 43

Is your computer watching you? The spectre of Big Brother just got a giant
step closer thanks to a controversial piece of software called DIRT.

Sold only to police, military and intelligence agencies, DIRT is causing a
small furor in civil liberties circles. It offers government operatives a
powerful tool to break into your home through the Internet and read
everything on your computer, without ever leaving their offices.

The brainchild of former NYPD cop Frank Jones, DIRT stands for Data
Interception by Remote Transmission. Depending on the model, it reportedly
costs anywhere from a few thousand dollars to over $200,000.

Even a well-secured computer is vulnerable. The software is said to be
powerful enough to penetrate many common security tools, including
firewalls. No anti-virus program on the market can detect it.

Reached at his company, New York-based Codex Data Systems, Jones was
tight-lipped about the software's capabilities and which governments he's
sold it to, calling that "proprietary information."

An ad for DIRT says even the technically challenged can use it to break into
a computer halfway around the globe. "Imagine being able to remotely monitor
any PC in the world any time you want," says the ad, posted earlier this
month on the intelligence Web site cryptome.org. "Suppose you could read
every keystroke. access and retrieve any file from the hard drive... No more
secrets..."

No police or intelligence agency in Canada or the U.S. has acknowledged that
it hacks. In fact, computer hacking by governments is one of the most
sensitive and highly classified government secrets anywhere in the world.

It goes by innocent-sounding terms like "computer network exploitation" and
"information operations."

But even military and intelligence officials acknowledge hacking is highly
dubious in the eyes of both domestic and international law.

"If you get caught mapping out the critical infrastructure of a power grid,
people might view it as an act of war," said one U.S. intelligence expert
who advises the Pentagon on information operations.

A renowned U.S. computer scientist who has testified before Congress and
advised the U.S. government on computer security tells NOW that hacking by
western military and intelligence services is an explosive issue.

"There are a lot of folks here who don't want to admit this is going on," he
says, adding a warning: "You're on the tip of the iceberg here. You want to
be a little bit careful."

Canadian and U.S. police, for their part, are also interested in hacking to
get evidence for criminal cases. But here too, the legalities are extremely
questionable.

"There is no case law on it at all," says RCMP Inspector Peter McAughley,
head of the force's high-tech crime forensics unit. Yet he says that with a
little "tweaking," existing legislation in Canada does allow cops to hack
for evidence. "If it's an investigative avenue and it can be done legally,
it's something else we can throw in the tool box."

Already, Australia and New Zealand have adopted legislation to allow
security agencies to hack into citizens' computers and alter data to hide
traces of intrusions.

All this has civil libertarians aghast. "These are the worst kinds of
searches," says Barry Steinhardt, associate director of the American Civil
Liberties Union. "We do not think intelligence agencies or law enforcement
should be engaging in these black bag operations, especially without close
supervision from courts."

Canadian interest in hacking technology was revealed during a New York trial
in which DIRT vendor Frank Jones was charged with possession and
distribution of illegal wiretap equipment. Jones was convicted of a single
count of possessing illegal bugs, and sentenced in 1999 to 300 hours of
community service and five years of probation.

The court file includes letters from Jones's attorney, seeking permission
for Jones to travel to Canada three times during the trial to meet RCMP,
local and regional police, Interpol, Canadian government and military
officials to discuss software he had developed.

Michael Richardson, a former Canadian intelligence officer who was the
Canadian distributor for DIRT at the time, tells NOW the meetings were
arranged to discuss DIRT.

Richardson says he quit Codex after he learned of Jones's criminal
conviction and that Jones had secretly been selling DIRT to governments like
Peru and South Africa that have lax laws covering the use of evidence in
court.

"It's a very dangerous product. It can take control of a machine and
download what's on it," says Richardson.

Eric Schneider, the computer programmer who wrote DIRT, also doesn'

Re: [CTRL] Bowdlerizing C.S.Lewis

[AGENT PROVOCATEUR]

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Well, actually, Tito, if you take a close look at the
overall body of work from Lewis you will find that
much of it more closely resembles Harry Potter than
scripture...and if you follow his personal life, you
will find that he had a great love for and was moving
closer towards the formalized, ritualized, works based
"religion" offered by the Roman church and other
denominations...a christian (saved, born again
believer in Jesus Christ) he actually wasn't and
bible-based he wasn't either...All things worldly
(including false churches) will be brought more and
more in line with the party line of the one world
order, one world ecumenical religion that must be
primed and ready for AC to come on the scene to
worldwide acceptance.

(oothis ought to start something
intense...!! ;o})

provocateur
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>
> Bowdlerizing C.S. Lewis
> by Joseph Sobran
> During the Victorian era, the prevailing delicacy of
> the age inspired Dr.
> Thomas Bowdler and his sister to edit
> Shakespeare’s plays to make them
> suitable for "family reading." All off-color jokes
> and sexual matter were
> removed. The word "bowdlerize" entered the language
> as a synonym for militant
> prudery.
>
> Today it appears that a new species of
> bowdlerization is afoot. It seems that
> HarperCollins has acquired the right to republish
> C.S. Lewis’s seven classic
> children’s books about the land of Narnia – and
> to edit out their Christian
> content. Apparently the idea is to reshape the
> stories on the model of the
> hugely successful (non-Christian) Harry Potter
> stories, and to market toys
> based on the Narnia characters, also on the Potter
> model.
>
> In a leaked HarperCollins memo, a corporation
> executive offers "emphatic
> assurances that no attempt will be made to correlate
> the stories to Christian
> imagery/theology."
>
> It’s almost unbelievable. De-Christianizing the
> works of one of the greatest
> Christian authors of the twentieth century? The
> Narnia stories owe their
> artistry and power to Lewis’s way of infusing the
> Christian message into
> simple tales about children and a lion named Aslan.
> The lion, an awesome and
> thrilling character, represents Christ.
>
> How Aslan can be suitably watered down for
> secularized "family reading"
> remains to be seen. Any such attempt is bound to
> destroy the point and energy
> of the Narnia books. You might as well try to edit
> God and Satan out of
> Paradise Lost.
>
> Usually we revere a great author’s intentions and
> artistic integrity; but
> when it comes to Christianity, such considerations
> may be sacrificed to
> higher values, such as "multiculturalism" and – oh
> yes – money.
>
> Lewis would be outraged and sickened by this
> compromise of his work. Are the
> keepers of his estate willing to sell him out to the
> very secularist forces
> he fought with all his genius? Can they betray his
> trust so shamelessly?
>
> Maybe editing Aslan down to modern scale is a job
> for the Jesus Seminar,
> which is devoted to editing the Gospels by deleting
> any sayings that sound
> too Christian. One excellent reason for believing in
> Christ is that after
> 2,000 years he is still as troubling to the
> conscience as he was in his own
> time. If he can be reduced to a bland moral teacher,
> whose doctrine is
> indistinguishable from modern political platforms,
> he becomes much safer and
> easier to sell. Whole denominations are based on
> adapting Jesus to the Latest
> Thinking.
>
> Lewis’s fictional adaptation of Christ is another
> matter. Aslan is not a
> watered-down substitute for Christ, but a
> spiritually challenging figure who
> conveys, even to adult readers, some of the wonder
> of the Original. He seems
> to be more than the flesh of HarperCollins can bear.
>
> Lewis always insisted that a good children’s story
> can’t be just a
> dumbed-down version of a story for adults. It has to
> be a good read for
> adults too. He liked the analogy of a string
> quartet, which uses fewer of the
> orchestra’s resources than the symphony, but is
> just as demanding in its own
> way. Children, in fact, are more apt than adults to
> stop reading a story when
> they find it dull.
>
> This respect for children made Lewis a great
> children’s author, as well as a
> great author for adults. I never read the Narnia
> stories until I was in my
> 20s, and I was overwhelmed by their inherent power.
> I still reread them, as I
> reread Lewis’s other works. They are all of a
> piece.
>
> The notion that any editor can "improve" Lewis’s
> works is a presumption
> worthy of the Bowdlers. But in an age that regards
> nothing as obscene, the
> energies of censorship are turned against unseemly
> expressions of
> Christianity. One wonders whether the unexpurgated
> Narnia stories will remain
> available. Perhaps there will be an adul

[CTRL] We Must Save Tourism!

[Yardbird]

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Hotel industry warns of NIS 600 million losses this year

Ha'aretz Tourism Correspondent
By Irit Rosenblum

http://www3.haaretz.co.il/eng/scripts/article.asp?id=123349&wordd=&mador=2&seue&datee=7/5/01

Israel's hotels will lose some NIS 600 million this year, including NIS
350 million in operational losses and NIS 250 million in financing costs,
according to the president of the Israel Hotels Association, Avi Ela.

Ela delivered this gloomy projection at a news conference yesterday prior
to the association's biannual convention in Tel Aviv today. "We are
concerned that the damage to the hotel business that will continue for
many long months will only deepen and some of the property owners will be
forced into receivership and bankruptcy," he warned.

The theme of the convention is: "We must save tourism!" The state
officials slated to participate in the meetings include President Moshe
Katsav, Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, Tourism Minister Rehavam Ze'evi,
Transportation Minister Ephraim Sneh, Health Minister Nissim Dahan, chairs
of Knesset committees, directors-general of government ministries and
various lawmakers.

Tourism leaders are expected to argue that the industry is not responsible
for its current crisis. On the contrary, the tourism industry accounted
for 16 percent of Israel's economic growth in 2000, they have noted.

Ela called for more massive government assistance to maintain the tourism
infrastructure, warning of a domino effect whereby hotel failures would
lead to the collapse of related businesses such as taxis, laundries and
even national parks. More than 200,000 people worked in tourism-related
activities, he said. "So far, 25 hotels, with 3,000 rooms, have been
closed," he noted.

The general manager of the Sheraton Moriah hotel chain, Eli Gonen, said
the hotel industry was demanding a state-subsidized loan fund to help see
it through the crisis. "We're not asking for grants, but for loans," he
stressed.

Hoteliers are also lobbying for tax breaks and other measures to help them
cut back on expenses.

Rafi Sadeh, the general manager of the Isrotel chain, suggested that the
hoteliers adopt stronger methods of pressuring the government if it failed
to respond to the demands of the industry by the end of the summer. He
warned that the tourism crisis that had hit places like Tiberias and was
now affecting hotels in Tel Aviv was also liable to reach Eilat.

"On September 1, when the summer is over and the Israeli tourists
disappear, the crisis will spread to Jerusalem and the Dead Sea. If hotels
are shut down in Eilat, the entire city might as well be closed, since
Eilat's existence is based on hotels," Sadeh said.

The general manager of the Dan hotel chain, Ami Hirshstein, added that the
international investors and hotel chains involved in Israel were liable to
cut back on their involvement if they did not feel that the government was
supporting the local tourist industry.
Good news for Safed
Tourism Minister Rehavam Ze'evi was the bearer of good tidings for the
tourism industry in Safed during a tour of the area yesterday. The
ministry plans to invest a total of NIS 50 million over a number of years
to develop the city's tourism infrastructure.

Ze'evi said that the glory days of Safed as a magnet for tourism in the
1950s and 1960s left no doubt that it could again become a major center
for both Israeli and foreign visitors.

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Re: [CTRL] The Contradictions of Capitalism

[M. A. Johnson]

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Nessie Chants
   Capitalism and free markets are inherently contradictory.
   Capitalism can't exist in a free market because capitalism
   requires the state. Without the armed might of the state to
   protect them, corporations can't exist.
flw
Most statists don't understand that there is a big difference
 between capitalism (essentially State Corporatism) and the
 free market.
MJ
You apparently fail to grasp the difference between PRIVATE and
GOVERNMENT. Only when one REDEFINES capitalism does one
create the link with the State. One can have OTHER economic
systems AND maintain a 'free market' (as limited as it might
be), but a free market is REQUIRED for capitalism.


flw
   The very concept of "limited legal liability" and the legal fiction
granted corporations that they are "citizens" and entitled to
Bill of Rights protection contradict the concept of free markets.
These are essentially statist concepts which are anathema to
any concept of free markets.
MJ
Yes.  Corporations are a creation of Government -- having NOTHING
to do with capitalism.


flw
   Regulatory Agencies and corporations go hand in hand.
   The FDA; SEC; FDA; etc. etc. are all beloved by corporations
   since they are manipulated by the incestuous Corporate State.
MJ
Pull-Peddling Politicians seek tribute from the MANY factions
willing to pay them.

Regard$,
--MJ

There is simply no other choice than this: either
abstain from interference in the free play of the
market, or to delegate the entire management of
production and distribution to the government.
Either capitalism or socialism: there exists no
middle way.  —Ludwig von Mises

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Re: [CTRL] "What to the Slave is the Fourth of July?"

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In a message dated 7/5/01 10:24:41 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< In 1852 only Negroes were slaves.


We have made progress.


Now we all are slaves.

flw >>

There is a difference. They were slaves in the physical sense. Today,
everybody is an economic slave. Who can afford to quit work and drop out of
society? Not very many.
BHoward

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Re: [CTRL] Who is AGENT PROVOCATEUR?

[AGENT PROVOCATEUR]

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Well Aleisha is fairly awake...but truly am not
looking to disrupt or blow up anything...just reading
with interest when time permits and interjecting on
occasion just to provide a little stimulus for some of
the more intense   ;o)

--- Aleisha Saba <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
> So we know this individual does not fly the Gay
> Pride Flag and that
> leaves out June; however, June (aka Donna J. Logan,
> and the Rev. Donna,
> etc, etc, etc) passed herself off as a bonafide
> Preacher numerous times
> on other lists.
>
> No doubt she was associated with Anton LaVey's
> Church of Satan or the
> Moonies, or actually it just sounded respectable.
>
> Agent Provocateur?   Obviously he has no interest in
> assassinations, but
> is more interested in moral issues and the
> downgrading of this country
> in general by the Sodomists.
>
> My guess would be this is a Jewish Rabbi attempting
> to create problems
> for the Militia and then they will blow up CTRL and
> shoot all
> participants.
>
> Saba
>
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Re: [CTRL] Who is AGENT PROVOCATEUR?

[AGENT PROVOCATEUR]

-Caveat Lector-

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA   ;Od

--- William Shannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In a message dated 7/3/01 6:33:58 PM Central
> Daylight Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
>
> > Well...am certainly NOT June...
>
> No, probably not...I see a Barney Fife-type
> myself...130lbs wet, one
> wadcutter in pocket...ummm...single...yup, it's all
> coming into view...
>
> Bill.
>


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Re: [CTRL] "What to the Slave is the Fourth of July?"

[flw]

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>
> "What to the Slave is the Fourth of July?"
> Frederick Douglass, 5 July 1852

In 1852 only Negroes were slaves.

We have made progress.

Now we all are slaves.
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Re: [CTRL] The Contradictions of Capitalism

[flw]

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>Capitalism and free markets are inherently contradictory.
>Capitalism can't exist in a free market because capitalism
>requires the state. Without the armed might of the state to
>protect them, corporations can't exist.
>Nessie

Good point. Most statists don't understand that there is a
big difference between capitalism (essentially State Corporatism)
and the free market.

The very concept of "limited legal liability" and the legal fiction
granted corporations that they are "citizens" and entitled to
Bill of Rights protection contradict the concept of free markets.
These are essentially statist concepts which are anathema to
any concept of free markets.

Regulatory Agencies and corporations go hand in hand.
The FDA; SEC; FDA; etc. etc. are all beloved by corporations
since they are manipulated by the incestuous Corporate State.

This is the fallacy of the Silly Socialists. They claim they would
"make the state honest"just put them in charge -

Yeah right!!
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Re: [CTRL] (Fwd) LP RELEASE: First Amendment Survey

[Steve Suranie]

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First amendment issues are always touchy and there is always the question of
what exactly should be considered free speech. A good example is a recent
case in Boston where a 10 year old boy was brutally beaten and raped by two
pedophiles. When the police arrested the two men and searched their
apartment they found a wealth of pedophile literature including a magazine
published by NAMBLA - North American Man Boy Love Association. One of the
articles in the magazine described various methods on how to lure young boys
into apartments or other structures and apparently, from their confessions,
these two men used the methods described in the article to lure their victim
into their apartment.

The prosecutors of the case went forward and pressed charges against NAMBLA
as co-conspirators in the child's murder. Immediately the ACLU (American
Civil Liberties Union) rushed to NAMBLA's defense, claiming they had done
nothing wrong but exercised their first amendment right. Now, personally I
feel that if you publish an article targeted to pedophiles, on how to commit
pedophiliac acts, in a pedophiliac magazine you stand as guilty as those
committing the act. There's a big difference from writing "I think the age
of consent should be lowered to 10 years old" and "Here's how to lure a
young boy into your home for sexual intercourse.



> --
> From: kl
> Reply To: Conspiracy Theory Research List
> Sent: Thursday, July 5, 2001 1:06 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  [CTRL] (Fwd) LP RELEASE: First Amendment Survey
>
> -Caveat Lector-
>
> --- Forwarded message follows ---
>
> Chilling new survey: Americans want
> more government censorship of media
>
> WASHINGTON, DC -- The First Amendment is in "intensive care,"
> Libertarians said today, after a new survey found that 46% of Americans
> think the press has "too much freedom" and a whopping 71% say the
> government needs to hold the media in check.
>
> "The First Amendment is in trouble," said Steve Dasbach, Libertarian
> Party national director. "If this survey is accurate, then the First
> Amendment is in intensive care and may be dying -- not of simple
> indifference, but because of criminal negligence by the American
> people."
>
> This past week, the New York-based First Amendment Center revealed
> that a
> startling number of Americans are willing or eager to give the government
> more control over speech and the press. Of the 1,102 adults randomly
> surveyed by telephone across the nation:
>
> * 46% said the press in America has "too much freedom to do what it
> wants." By contrast, only 36% think there is "too much government
> censorship."
>
> * 71% think it is somewhat or very important for the government "to
> hold the media in check."
>
> * 39% agree "the First Amendment goes too far in the rights it
> guarantees." That's up dramatically from just 22% who held that opinion
> last year.
>
> * 64% disagreed that "people should be allowed to say things in public
> that
> might be offensive to racial groups," with 36% saying there should be
> laws
> against such speech.
>
> For a nation founded on the concept of "inalienable rights" and a
> fierce devotion to free speech, this survey is disturbing, said
> Dasbach.
>
> "Americans don't seem to understand that free speech is not something
> you
> can share with the government," he said. "Either the people have free
> speech -- and are willing to fervently defend it against all encroachments
> -- or else politicians have the power to control what we hear, see, and
> read. There is no middle ground."
>
> Unfortunately, too many Americans appear willing to sacrifice their
> freedoms to protect themselves against speech they find offensive, said
> Dasbach.
>
> "Some people appear willing to relinquish free speech because they are
> offended by vulgar music, obscene photographs on the Internet, violent
> movies, or lewd dialogue on television," he said. "But that's making a
> deal
> with the devil.
>
> "If you give away your rights, politicians will eagerly take them. And
> once
> they have that power, politicians won't stop at simply censoring what you
> find offensive. Eventually, politicians will go after speech that you find
> indispensable. But by then, it will be too late."
>
> What's the solution? Americans need to renew their traditional
> commitment to free speech, said Dasbach.
>
> "Don't let the history books record that this was the generation that gave
> away its First Amendment rights," he said. "Remember: There's only
> one
> thing more tragic than a government seizing the rights of its citizens --
> and that's citizens willingly forfeiting their rights because they are too
> apathetic, indifferent, or lazy to keep them.
>
> "And there's only one thing more tragic than letting power-hungry
> politicians murder the First Amendment -- and that's allowing it to die of
> criminal neglect."
>
> --- End of forwarded message ---
>
> --
> Best w

[CTRL] (Fwd) LP RELEASE: First Amendment Survey

[kl]

-Caveat Lector-

--- Forwarded message follows ---

Chilling new survey: Americans want
more government censorship of media

WASHINGTON, DC -- The First Amendment is in "intensive care,"
Libertarians said today, after a new survey found that 46% of Americans
think the press has "too much freedom" and a whopping 71% say the
government needs to hold the media in check.

"The First Amendment is in trouble," said Steve Dasbach, Libertarian
Party national director. "If this survey is accurate, then the First
Amendment is in intensive care and may be dying -- not of simple
indifference, but because of criminal negligence by the American
people."

This past week, the New York-based First Amendment Center revealed
that a
startling number of Americans are willing or eager to give the government
more control over speech and the press. Of the 1,102 adults randomly
surveyed by telephone across the nation:

* 46% said the press in America has "too much freedom to do what it
wants." By contrast, only 36% think there is "too much government
censorship."

* 71% think it is somewhat or very important for the government "to
hold the media in check."

* 39% agree "the First Amendment goes too far in the rights it
guarantees." That's up dramatically from just 22% who held that opinion
last year.

* 64% disagreed that "people should be allowed to say things in public
that
might be offensive to racial groups," with 36% saying there should be
laws
against such speech.

For a nation founded on the concept of "inalienable rights" and a
fierce devotion to free speech, this survey is disturbing, said
Dasbach.

"Americans don't seem to understand that free speech is not something
you
can share with the government," he said. "Either the people have free
speech -- and are willing to fervently defend it against all encroachments
-- or else politicians have the power to control what we hear, see, and
read. There is no middle ground."

Unfortunately, too many Americans appear willing to sacrifice their
freedoms to protect themselves against speech they find offensive, said
Dasbach.

"Some people appear willing to relinquish free speech because they are
offended by vulgar music, obscene photographs on the Internet, violent
movies, or lewd dialogue on television," he said. "But that's making a
deal
with the devil.

"If you give away your rights, politicians will eagerly take them. And once
they have that power, politicians won't stop at simply censoring what you
find offensive. Eventually, politicians will go after speech that you find
indispensable. But by then, it will be too late."

What's the solution? Americans need to renew their traditional
commitment to free speech, said Dasbach.

"Don't let the history books record that this was the generation that gave
away its First Amendment rights," he said. "Remember: There's only
one
thing more tragic than a government seizing the rights of its citizens --
and that's citizens willingly forfeiting their rights because they are too
apathetic, indifferent, or lazy to keep them.

"And there's only one thing more tragic than letting power-hungry
politicians murder the First Amendment -- and that's allowing it to die of
criminal neglect."

--- End of forwarded message ---

--
Best wishes

In any dispute between a citizen and the government, it is my instinct
to side with the citizen.  I am against bureaucrats, policemen, wowsers,
snouters, smellers, uplifters, lawyers, bishops and all other sworn
enemies of the free man.  I am against all efforts to make men virtuous
by law.  I believe that the government, practically considered, is simply
a camorra of incompetent and mainly dishonest men, transiently licensed
to live by the labor of the rest of us.  I am thus in favor of limiting
its powers as much as possible, even at the cost of considerable
inconvenience, and of giving every citizen, wise or foolish, right or
wrong, the right to criticize it freely, and to advocate changes in
its constitution and personnel...the very commonest of common men has
certain inalienable rights.
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[CTRL] impressive news search engine

[Jenny Decker]

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Dear all,
I found a news-dedicated search engine that turns up countless articles
on topics other engines can't find. Try it out:

http://w.moreover.com/

Jenny Decker

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[CTRL] Property Rights Victory

[Yardbird]

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Another Supreme Court property rights victory
--
by Nancie G. Marzulla
   The Supreme Court ruled that a Rhode Island man whose
   property was declared a wetland suffered a taking. "It's
   time government regulators got the message that the
   property rights of landowners cannot be destroyed in the
   name of environmental protection," writes Marzulla.
   (06/28/01)
http://www.yourpropertyrights.org/pressreleases/010628.htm

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[CTRL] Mind Control Out of Control

[Dale Stonehouse]

  Project Monarch - more from Phillips/O'Brien

 http://www.vegan.swinternet.co.uk/articles/conspiracies/cathyandmark.html
 <>

 Mind Control Out of Control.url

[CTRL] Confession to Conspiracy to Assassinate JFK

[Dale Stonehouse]

 This is an online book by Kerry Thornley
 http://www.sondralondon.com/xthornley/index.html
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 Confession to Conspiracy to Assassinate JFK.url

[CTRL] FC: Ohio man convicted for "obscene" stories in his private journal (fwd)

[Yardbird]

-Caveat Lector-

This is an unusual case. The Ohio law -- a 1970s version of which Politech
member Bruce Taylor successfully defended before a federal appeals court --
applies not only to dirty pictures, but also to written material:

http://www.moralityinmedia.org/obsclawlinks.htm#oh
"No person, with knowledge of the character of the material or performance
involved, shall do any of the following... Create, reproduce, or publish
any obscene material that has a minor as one of its participants or
portrayed observers...  Buy, procure, possess, or control any obscene
material, that has a minor as one of its participants..."

Anyone who possesses such a visual or written description -- including a
diary entry or an erotic story -- is guilty of a felony. That means Ohioans
who have on their hard drive an "obscene" text file from alt.sex.stories
are felons.

Other coverage:
http://www.nydailynews.com/2001-07-05/News_and_Views/Beyond_the_City/a-117267.asp
http://enquirer.com/editions/2001/07/05/loc_tristate_a_m_report.html

-Declan

*

From: "Robert V. Zwink" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Man's journal ruled obscene
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 10:24:08 -0400
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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This is possibly one for your list.  A 22-year old wrote extensively about
his pedophile delusions in a daily personal journal.  Law enforcement found
the journal, today he was sentenced to 10 years in prison.  Seems he should
be in an addiction clinic not a prison.  The journal was never published.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

 From The Columbus Dispatch
http://www.dispatch.com/news/news01/july01/755632.html

Man's journal ruled obscene

Wednesday, July 4, 2001

Tim Doulin
Dispatch Staff Reporter

Brian Dalton wrote fictitious tales of sexually abusing and torturing
children in his private journal, intending that no one else see them, he
said.

But when his probation officer found the journal during a routine search of
Dalton's Columbus home, prosecutors charged him with pandering obscenity
involving a minor.

In Franklin County Common Pleas Court yesterday, the 22-year-old man's
written words cost him 10 years in prison.

The case worries civil-rights lawyer Benson Wolman, who said it has
free-speech implications.

"What you're saying is somebody can't, in essence, confess their fantasy
into a personal journal for fear they have socially unacceptable fantasies,
then ultimately they end up getting prosecuted,'' said Wolman, former
director of the American Civil Liberties Union in Ohio.

"This is the only case that I know of where we are talking about a
journal -- just written words. It surprises and offends me that an action
should be brought based on a journal.''

But Franklin County Prosecutor Ron O'Brien called the case a "breakthrough''
in the battle against child pornography.

[...]

"This is one of the first felony cases in Franklin County that involves the
written word -- a writing somebody created on their own,'' he said.

"Even without passing it on to anyone else, he committed a felony.''

[...]




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Re: [CTRL] Common Misperceptions About Hemp and Easy Answers

[c.]

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- Original Message -
From: "Steve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 11:02 PM
Subject: [CTRL] Common Misperceptions About Hemp and Easy Answers


> -Caveat Lector-
>
> (Maybe if the potheads on this list would sober up for a while they will
actually be able
> to read something, instead of continuing to demonstrate their
ignorance. --SW)
>


hands up everyone who is convinced by steve now.

"potheads" how quaint. how long has it taken you to find these urls. i
didn't even bother looking for supporting evidence- other people on the list
seem
to have been enough- it isn't something anyone feels the need to prove.

except you continue to shit your pants over it.

your attitude is that of a lamer- arrogant, condescending, rude and shifting
position whenever it suits you.

attacking  the name of my email address (spook domain?like, what?) is as
lame as it can get, you sad sad man.

sending offline mails is very welcome- but to send me a mail poking fun at
my email addie is fucking pathetic- and i still don't understand what the
hell you meant...

no wonder you didn't do it in the public of the list- people would laugh and
point at you.
wanna tell us why you did such a wanky thing?

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Re: [CTRL] England turning into a surveillance state

[Andrew Hennessey]

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the thrust of all the new legislation has it that if they don't like
your personality they say it is disordered and therefore illegal
in breach of the mental health laws.
this is an entirely new thing to class a personality disorder
as treatable mental illness.
the problem we have is that they didn't publish the definition
of a personality disorder in the parliamentary acts, white papers
or notes ...  :)


- Original Message -
From: "Bill Richer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 6:34 AM
Subject: [CTRL] England turning into a surveillance state


> -Caveat Lector-
>
> WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War!
>
> England turning into a surveillance state
>
> http://www0.mercurycenter.com/business/top/031893.htm
>
> BY DAN GILLMOR
> Mercury News Technology Columnist
>
> LONDON -- It's always a bit weird to celebrate Independence Day in the
> nation from which my country rebelled. The British who note it take the
> occasion in good humor.
>
> But I wonder how many think at all about the degree to which they are
giving
> up fundamental rights, some of which they adopted from their former
> colonies. At the dawn of the Information Age, the nation that gave us the
> Magna Carta -- one of the seminal documents of liberty -- seems poised to
> become a surveillance state.
>
> I'm a fan of the British people and their culture, but today I'm
especially
> glad to be an American.
>
> The Magna Carta's basic principle, that not even the king was above the
law,
> hasn't been repealed. But law in the United Kingdom has become a blunt
> instrument, a sledgehammer against liberty.
>
>  >From pervasive video cameras in public places to Draconian laws giving
> authorities almost unlimited ability to spy on citizens, the British
> government flouts basic notions of individual privacy. Yet there's
> surprisingly little outcry as encroachments on liberty grow more
pronounced.
>
> It doesn't seem to matter which political party is in power. Labor and
> Conservative governments alike have enacted laws that would send American
> liberty watchers into apoplectic diatribes.
>
> Walk down a street here and cameras follow your moves. At last count, more
> than 300,000 video cameras were keeping tabs on public places, including
> streets, housing developments, shopping districts and parking lots. It's
all
> in the name of curbing crime.
>
> I was here a year ago, when Parliament was debating the notorious
Regulation
> of Investigatory Powers Act, or RIP, proposed by Prime Minister Tony
Blair's
> Labor government. It passed, to the dismay of an array of civil
> libertarians.
>
> RIP gives the government unprecedented power to tap people's
communications.
> Among its worst features, the law threatens the security of encrypted
> information, with jail time for anyone who refuses to turn over an
> encryption ``key'' when authorities demand it.
>
> Most recently, the Blair government has been leading the charge for a
> European Union proposal that would allow individual governments to order
> telecommunications providers to store seven years worth of customer voice
> and data communications -- and give police access to those records. Again,
> it's all to reduce crime, say apologists for this over-the-top idea.
>
> Fighting crime also is behind the government's plan for a massive
expansion
> of a national database of DNA samples. It would include not only DNA from
> criminals, but also DNA from people who volunteer to give genetic
> information during police investigations. One legislator has suggested
> taking DNA samples from all newborn babies.
>
> As the Independent newspaper reported in May, however, half of the police
> asked to give samples -- to distinguish their DNA from other people's DNA
> found at crime scenes -- refused on privacy grounds.
>
> There's some other dissent, largely from editorial writers and civil
> liberties groups, but it doesn't seem to have made much of a dent. The
> British people seem to have accepted the idea that they will be
pervasively
> spied upon. Sadly, they seem to have happily traded liberty for temporary
> safety.
>
> None of this is to suggest that the United States is a consistent paragon
of
> respect for individual rights. The recently departed Clinton
administration
> was the most hostile to civil liberties since Richard Nixon and his thugs
> ran the government, and the Bush administration isn't looking appreciably
> better in most respects.
>
> Yet the U.S. Supreme Court, in a decision that will reverberate for years,
> said last month that police were not entitled to use new technology --
> heat-sensing devices in this case -- to effectively spy inside people's
> homes without court order. Those of us who'd almost given up on the
court --
> strongly pro-government on almost every other key ``law and order'' issue
> recently -- found new hope that the justices had begun to recognize how
far

[CTRL] FC: Happy Fourth of July! (fwd)

[Yardbird]

-Caveat Lector-

[Happy belated 4th of July, that is. Below is a special issue of Freedom
News, an excellent daily roundup of summarized articles. --Declan]


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  Freedom News in today's update:
   o America in rebellion
   o Articles of Confederation
   o United States Constitution
   o Federalist papers
   o Anti-federalist papers
   o The war inevitable
   o Common Sense
   o The Rights of Man
   o The Papers of Thomas Jefferson
   o Brief biography: John Locke (1632-1704)
   o Democracy in America
   o Libertystory.net

Today we're doing something a little different in honor of U.S.
Independence Day. For those of you within the United States, we wish you a
happy Fourth of July. For those outside the U.S., we hope that you'll join
us for a celebration of liberty.

yours,
J.D. Tuccille


America in rebellion (Declaration of Independence)
--
With this document, rebellious American colonists declared
their independence from the British government and announced
plans to create a new and free nation. (07/04/1776)
http://lcweb2.loc.gov/const/declar.html


Articles of Confederation
--
The first governing document for the newly independent
United States.
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/artconf.htm


United States Constitution
--
The text of the current governing document of the
United States of America, including all amendments.
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/usconst.htm


Federalist papers
--
Arguments penned by Alexander Hamilton, John Jay
and James Madison in favor of the adoption of the
Constitution to replace the Articles of Confederation.
(1787-1789)
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/federal/fed.htm


Anti-federalist papers
--
Arguments against the proposed Constitution, arguing
that it provided for too centralized a government and
contained the seeds of tyranny.
(1787-1789)
http://www.constitution.org/afp/afp.htm


The war inevitable
--
by Patrick Henry
Patrick Henry's "Liberty or Death" speech to
the 1775 Virginia Convention. (03/23/1775)
http://www.webleyweb.com/klh/pathenry.html


Common Sense
--
by Thomas Paine
Full text of the book that inspired the
Declaration of Independence and fueled the
American revolution. (1776)
http://odur.let.rug.nl/~usa/D/1776-1800/paine/CM/sensexx.htm


The Rights of Man
--
by Thomas Paine
Paine's defense of individual liberty. As always,
Paine is quick to make valuable suggestions for
proper government.
http://odur.let.rug.nl/~usa/D/1776-1800/paine/ROM/rofmxx.htm


The Papers of Thomas Jefferson
--
The collected writings of the often-libertarian
author of the Declaration of Independence.
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/presiden/jeffpap.htm


Brief biography: John Locke (1632-1704)
--
John Locke's influence on modern views of liberty
is profound, including providing much of the
philosophical influence for the American Revolution.
http://www.acton.org/publicat/randl/00sep_oct/liberaltradition.html


Democracy in America
--
by Alexis de Tocqueville
The full text of the classic 19th-century analysis by
an observant French aristocrat of the culture and people
of the American republic and the potential threat to
liberty posed by too much democracy.
http://xroads.virginia.edu/~HYPER/DETOC/toc_indx.html


Libertystory.net
--
by Jim Powell
A companion site to Jim Powell's wonderful book,
"The Triumph of Liberty," this site stands on its
own as probably the best single introduction to the
history of liberty online.
http://www.libertystory.net/


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Re: [CTRL] Menwith Hill Security Easily Breeched...

[Andrew Hennessey]

-Caveat Lector-

>The military policeman in his gate house blinked as the first bus arrived,
>followed by a van full of fancy dress, aluminium ladders and equipment. But
>he only reached for his phone when 20 people breezed past him to the theme
>tune from Mission: Impossible.

probably thought it was the boys back from a nite out on the town :)

andrew

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[CTRL] The Other Black Gold

[Alamaine]

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From
http://www.inthesetimes.com/web2517/bacon2517.html

}}>Begin
THE COLUMBIAN CONNECTION
U.S. Aid Fuels A Dirty War Against Unions
by David Bacon

 In mid-March, Valmore Locarno Rodriguez and Victor Orcasita were  riding from their
jobs at the Loma coal mine in northern Colombia.  Locarno and Orcasita were
president and vice president of the union  at the mine, a local of
Sintramienergetica, one of Colombia's two  coal miners' unions. As the company bus
neared Valledupar, 30 miles  from the mine, it was stopped by 15 gunmen, some in
military uniforms.

They began checking the identification of the workers, and when  they found the two
union leaders, they were pulled off the bus.  Locarno was hit in the head with a
rifle butt. One of the gunmen  then shot him in the face, as his fellow workers on
the bus watched  in horror. Orcasita was taken off into the woods at the side of the
road. There he was tortured. When his body was found later,  his fingernails had
been torn off.
Leading a union often means losing a job, even blacklisting. In many countries, it
can bring imprisonment by governments

The wave of death and violenceis made possible
by U.S. military support.
PIERO POMPONI/LIASON
who view unions as a threat to the social and economic elite. But the most dangerous
country by far is Colombia, where labor activism is often punished with death. By
mid-May, 44 Colombian trade union leaders already had been murdered this year.

   Last year, assassinations cost the lives of 129 others. According

 to Hector Fajardo, general secretary of the United Confederation of Workers (CUT),
the country's largest union federation, 3,800 trade unionists have been assassinated
since 1986. Out of every five trade unionists killed in the world, three are
Colombian.

U.S. energy, trade and military policies are contributing to the devastation of the
country's labor movement. Bush administration  energy policies encourage the use of
coal in U.S. power plants,  and millions of tons are now mined for export by U.S.
corporations  in the midst of Colombia's civil war. Free market economic reforms,

pushed by the International Monetary Fund, are provoking a wave

  of resistance by Colombian labor, which is being met by violent repression.
And U.S. military aid provided by Plan Colombia supports  activities by right-wing
paramilitary groups, who in turn target  trade union leaders.
The Loma mine is owned by Drummond  Co., a multi-national corporation based in
Birmingham, Alabama.  Drummond opened the mine in 1994, and it is now Colombia's
second largest. At first, according to Ken Zinn of the International Federation of
Chemical, Energy, Mine and General Workers' Unions (ICEM), Drummond promised its
U.S. workers that it wouldn't import  Colombian coal to compete with its U.S.
operations. But since 1994,  Drummond has closed five mines in Alabama, laying off
1,700 members  of the United Mine Workers. Its  one remaining U.S. mine employs
about 500 miners.
Alabama used to export coal--13 million tons in 1996, mostly from  Drummond mines.
Last year's exports totaled only 3 million tons.  But 5 million tons of Colombian
coal crossed the Alabama State Docks  in Mobile last year. It was bound for plants
operated by the Alabama  Power Co., a division of the Southern Co., which also
operates generating  facilities in Florida and Mississippi. The plants were formerly
 fueled by Drummond's U.S. mines. Another half million tons went  to the Alabama
Electrical Cooperative. At the Loma mine, production rose 4 million tons in 2000, to
a total of 11.8 million, after the company built a huge drag line. The company
expects to sell 15 million  tons next year, and 25 million tons by 2006. For
Drummond the transfer  has resulted in substantial savings on labor costs. A union
miner  in Alabama earns $18 an hour, or $3,060 a month, plus benefits.

At the Loma mine, wages range from about $500 to $1,000 a month.  Mineworkers Vice
President Jerry Jones says Drummond transferred  operations to Colombia "knowing
that country's hostile political  climate and egregious human rights violations."
Colombia is the world's fourth-largest coal exporter-- it shipped 30 million tons of
coal in 2000, worth $794 million. Coal is the country's third-largest source of
export earnings. Last year the  government's mines in central Colombia were
privatized as part of  economic reforms mandated by the IMF, and sold to a
consortium of  South African, Swiss and British investors for $384 million. The

  formerly state-owned Cerrejon Norte mine, the largest export mine

  in the world, is now operated as a joint venture between the government

and Exxon Mobil Corp. Conditions for Colombian miners are some of

the world's most dangerous. An April 27 blast at the Cana Brava  mine in
Santander province killed 15 miners. In October 1997, another explosion buried 16
coal miners alive in El Diviso mine, near Cucu

[CTRL] Maggot Burger Anyone?

[Yardbird]

-Caveat Lector-

McDonald's Sued for Maggot-Infested Cheeseburger

http://dailynews.yahoo.com/htx/nm/20010703/od/mcdonalds_dc_2.html

DETROIT (Reuters) - An 11-year old Detroit boy filed a $1 million lawsuit
against fast food giant McDonald's Corp on Monday after he allegedly ate
part of cheeseburger that was infested with maggots, his lawyer said.

The boy, Vincent Ingram, discovered the maggots after chomping into the
cheeseburger at home on June 19, said the attorney, Arnold Reed.

``His sister is standing next to him and starts freaking out, because she
sees these things crawling around his mouth and out of his mouth. She
starts screaming,'' Reed told Reuters in an interview.

Reed said Ingram swallowed at least half a dozen of the maggots. As
evidence, his mother saved the rest of the cheeseburger and the boy's
vomit.

``Since this incident, he's been freaking out. He won't eat,'' Reed added.

The lawsuit filed in Wayne County Circuit Court in Michigan says Ingram
ate the cheeseburger shortly after it was bought, but does not specify in
what amount of time.

McDonald's in a statement called the allegations ''questionable,'' and
said it had not received any facts to back up the claims.

``We have not been provided with any evidence to validate this claim,''
the company's statement said.

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[CTRL] Scientific Evidence Ignored in Abortion-Breast Cancer Link (fwd)

[Yardbird]

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Scientific Evidence Ignored in Abortion-Breast Cancer Link
Source:   Chicago Tribune; July 2, 2001

[Note:  The following article is by Chicago Tribune columnist Dennis
Byrne. Mr. Byrne is a Chicago-area writer and public affairs consultant.]

When I wrote about a possible link between induced abortions and increased
risk of breast cancer, I simply was suggesting that women have a right to
know about the scientific evidence.

Turns out we're not even supposed to talk about it, according to some
indignant responses to my May 21 column. Just discussing it is like
shouting "fire" in a crowded theater. Disappointingly, some of this
sentiment came from "scientists," who should know better.

In general, they said, it was not enough to count up studies. Naturally,
that had nothing to do with the fact that most studies establish a link
between breast cancer and induced abortions. In science, the majority
doesn't rule, they said. That's true, and I hope they send the same
message to those who insist the global warming question is "settled"
because "most mainstream scientists" agree that it is.

Some of my critics wanted to argue from authority. We can do that, if we
include a British authority, Thomas Stuttaford. A year ago he denied the
existence of a "causative link" between abortion and breast cancer but
then changed his mind, noting that among the 33,000 British women
diagnosed with breast cancer each year, "an unusually high proportion had
an abortion before eventually starting a family. Such women are up to four
times more likely to develop breast cancer."

So let's discuss the science itself. Among the few studies cited by those
who don't want a public debate on the abortion-breast cancer link is the
"Melbye" study. This supposedly trumps all other studies because it
included every woman born in Denmark between 1935 and l978--1.5
million--more than 400,000 abortions and more than 10,000 cases of breast
cancer.

Its supporters say it proved that induced abortions "have no overall
effect on the risk of breast cancer." But just as the volume of studies do
not automatically make a scientific premise correct, neither do large
numbers of participants, as in the Melbye study. Cancer researcher Joel
Brind (who produced an analysis supporting the ABC link) argues that
Melbye is critically flawed: It only started logging abortions in 1973 and
began logging breast cancer cases from 1968--a five-year difference. That
left out 300 cases of breast cancer from the study that should have been
included.  It also left out as many as 80,000 abortions, but the 60,000
women who had them were included in the study. Why? The excuse was that
Denmark legalized the right to an induced abortion through 12 weeks
gestation in 1973. I say "excuse" because abortion rights had been
incrementally liberalized in Denmark as far back as 1939.

The study is, in a word, garbage.

With 80,000 abortions expunged from the records, it's no wonder they said
they found no ABC link, even though the numbers showed a 44 percent
increased risk. To rid the conclusion of even that, they came up with a
"cohort adjustment," which, to oversimplify, tried to explain away the
link by adjusting for age differences. Unfortunately for the study's
authors it didn't work, Brind said. When you cut through it all, not only
do you find an ABC link, but in Denmark induced abortion is a particularly
strong risk factor--somewhere between double or triple the risk,
especially for those with a family history of cancer.

This family history effect was found in another study by Janet Daling, in
which 900 women with breast cancer were compared with a control group of
900 other women. This risk was particularly strong for a first abortion
that occurred before age 18. Critics of the study say it is flawed by
"recall bias"--apparently meaning that women's recollections of having an
abortion were mistaken or deceptive. Specifically, that women with breast
cancer made up abortions that they didn't have.

One last study, not mentioned by critics of the ABC link: The "Adelaide"
(Australia) study found several risk factors in breast cancer but didn't
mention abortion. That stayed in the file cabinet because it showed a 160
percent increased ABC risk. This data wasn't made public until it was
uncovered by another researcher.

No one suggests that every woman who has breast cancer had an abortion; or
that every woman who has had an abortion will get breast cancer. But the
scientific evidence of an ABC link is growing stronger, and a
paternalistic and self-serving abortion industry should not be trying to
hide it from women.

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[CTRL] Honor the USS Liberty on July 4 (fwd)

[Yardbird]

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Honor the USS Liberty on the Fourth of July

One western state recently stunned its citizens by declaring June 8, 2001,
USS Liberty Tribute Day.  Few of Arizona Governor Jane Hull's constituents
had ever heard of the USS Liberty.  Fewer still knew that on June 8, 1967,
this American ship was destroyed by the one foreign government that most
Americans thought to be our number one ally, the State of Israel, killing
and wounding two-thirds of the crew.

Though the Arizona Proclamation received superficial publicity, many
readers were agape when they read that 200 American crewmen were killed or
wounded in repeated attacks by the Israeli Navy gunboats and submarine and
Air Force jets.  The proclamation omitted mention that Israel destroyed
Liberty, but the accompanying press did correctly pin the deed on Israel.
Arizona may be the first state to recognize the sacrifice by the men on
the Liberty.  We are grateful to Jane Hull for taking a risk to her career
to tell the truth.

The Liberty Tribute is the work of one man, author Jim Taylor, who has
made exposure of this long hidden nightmare his lifetime work.  We Hold
These Truths salutes Jim Taylor on this 225th Fourth or July.  We will
make a project of making June 8 USS Liberty day every year, everywhere.

The attack that killed 34 and wounded over 160 American seamen was
deliberate and top Israelis admit it.  It involved an air launched rocket
attack, and patrol boats that systematically machine gunned of the life
rafts on Liberty's deck.  An Israeli submarine then torpedoed the ship
blowing a 20 foot hole in the hull, leaving it to sink.  But the Liberty,
though completely destroyed, would not go down.  President Lyndon Johnson
and Secretary of Defense McNamara personally intervened to recall American
rescue aircraft from reaching the Liberty while the attack was in progress

Israeli patriots and apologists have tried to diffuse the Arizona
proclamation.  One planted editorial claims that the Israeli's sought only
to "disable" the ship, implying that the Liberty might have otherwise
provided criminal intelligence to the Egyptians, Syrians and Jordanians.
This argument has as many holes in it as the Liberty did (800) after the
attack.  Others have come forth to refute them, and the issue is now
public.

The most stunning part of the story is the depth and deviousness of the
cover up that has kept the incident secret from most Americans for 35
years, and that it is the work of our own leaders and the American press,
not the Israeli's.  Many Americans suspect that the state of Israel is
quite capable of murder and assassination, and suspect it has little
respect for the American people.  Those of us who watch events in
Palestine know the Israel government is capable of murder when it serves
its purpose, but they do not expect their own leader to be implicated.

Author Jim Taylor did his country a great service by recording the whole
story in his book, Pearl Harbor II.  Taylor, a resident of Arizona, paid
as high a price for his patriotism as did many who signed the Declaration
of Independence.  Taylor lost his job of 25 years as editor of TV Guide,
fired it seems because he published a book unacceptable to his Israeli
Patriot employer.  Taylor has told We Hold These Truths how his career
ended in a virtual blacklist by major Israeli patriot owned and controlled
US magazines and newspapers.

He was forced to seek employment oversees, but grew from the experience
and became one of the world's most knowledgeable Middle Eastern experts.
While Taylor experienced travel and high adventure, he was forced to work
away from his native country.  He has never stopped fighting to expose of
the great injustice he came to understand so well.

"Pearl Harbor II" is a powerful account of not only the event itself, as
reported by crew survivors, but also the political background for the
outrageous, premeditated and deliberate assault on our country.  It is
worthy to note that no less than three wars have been triggered over the
sinking of American ships.  Pearl Harbor II is a meaningful choice of
names.  Our leaders probably did not suspect the attack was coming, but
they refused to come to the aid of the ship while under attack and they
covered up the act after it was over.

Mr. Taylor did not overlook the role of the famous military McCain family
in the cover-up.  Vietnam "war hero", Senator John McCain, is currently
under a recall threat in his own state for being unfaithful to his party.
McCain's father, Admiral McCain, was appointed by Lyndon Johnson to
conduct the inquiry that eventually shoveled the incident under the rug
for 35 years.  McCain's inquiry was conducted in a foreign country, the US
press was excluded, and the results were bottled-up for a generation by
Admiral McCain

Collaborating evidence is now abundant.  Jim Ennis, a crew officer, wrote
his first hand account, "Assault on Liberty."  Ennis also mentions Admiral
McCain's role in the cove

[CTRL] Fwd: Pursuing an American Dream While Following the Koran

[Aleisha Saba]

Now I like this NO INTEREST LOANS COMING???

Is this the bank of the future or are the Moslems about to be taken for
a long ride.

If they are serious about this, and low, low, interest rates about the
corner for Moslems Only.well, Allah Akabar - you all.

My Nam is Ali Mohammed Saba




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Re: [CTRL] Lord, Please have mercy . . .

[Dale Stonehouse]

-Caveat Lector-

> From: Steve Suranie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Subject: Re: [CTRL] Lord, Please have mercy . . .
> -Caveat Lector-
>
> >>On almost all other populated worlds everyone is the same,
> so what is the
> attraction in living 800 years
> like that when you can have 80 of this?<<
>
> Ah Dale, what other populated worlds do you  know of? ; )
>

Any first-hand experience I may or may not have had is not within the
capacity of a human mind/brain complex to remember (that is, it is not
allowed as a condition of coming to Earth).

There are plenty of second- and third-hand accounts of this, and it seems
that is enough for some and not enough for others. That difference is
allowed on Earth and that is part of the big attraction this planet seems to
be.

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Re: [CTRL] FDR- Pearl Harbor and the Holocaust

[Steve Suranie]

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Of course Washington knew in 1942...It was no "secret" at the time.
American, Canadian and British
newspapers in the early 1940s published details of the Nazi extermination
process. Prime Minister
Churchill often made speeches against the crimes (back then, the term
"Holocaust" was not used.)
Around 1943, the United States was a co-signer of a joint Allied
proclamation denouncing Nazi extermination
of European Jews. Yet, still, every few years US newspapers still keep
coming out with breathless "news" about this fact that was widely known and
publicized during the Second World War.

And what exactly would have been Rooservelt's options? Bear in mind that
prior to 1941 America was following an isolationist policy and we had a
(comparatively) small military. Following the Japanese attack on Pearl
Harbor and subsequently through the first half of 1942 we were not winning
the war but barely staying afloat as the Japanese marched their way through
the South Pacific and we prepared to our military for the two front war,
while Europe, for the most part, was conquered by Hitler and Fascism.

Most of the concentration camps were in Germany and Poland. The accepted
policy (without the benefit of sixty years of hindsight mixed in with some
conspirational paranoia) was that the priority was the defeat of Nazism,
which in turn would also lead to the saving of the Jews. And the best way to
defeat Nazism was to remove their forces from Northern Africa opening the
Mediterranean and allowing for an invasion of Southern Europe. At the same
time the planning and build up of forces was begun for a cross channel
invasion, which would develop a second European front.

Any suggestion that bombing concentration camps would have saved Jews is
absurd. Air bombardments at the time were a matter of quantity over quality.
Since the bombers had to fly at 10,000-30,000 feet to avoid anti-aircraft
fire and enemy air patrols their accuracy was very limited. To ensure that
the target would be hit they used an overabundance of ordnance. Kind of like
killing a fly with a shotgun. Even then, it was not a full proof method.
Bombing concentration camps would have only killed the Jewish inmates of the
camps (the guards would have had adequate bomb shelters) and at the best
results would have had the survivors still interred, in the worst, executed
in retaliation.

Sending in any kind of land force was impossible due to the camps
geographical location and the state and position of allied armies. An
airborne/glider rescue would also have been impossible. The force would have
had to been quite large to ensure its own security, half of the low and slow
flying transport planes would never had made it through Nazi air defenses.
If the force landed any where near their objective and intact they would
then have had to conduct a fighting rescue (with at best three or four days
supply of food and ammo), then move more than a 1000 miles overland,
surrounded by hostile and better equipped forces with thousands of emaciated
and weak internees.

That is not to say that America did not have an anti-Semitic attitude (as
did most of the world) back in the forties. Your anger and sense of
injustice should be directed to Cordell Hull, head of the US State
Department at the time. State was highly anti-Semitic and did block or slow
down several programs (FDR approved by the way) that would have sped up the
process for allowing European Jews to immigrate to America, provide finance
for partisans and to collect information.

Personally I think FDR was one of our greatest Presidents and without his
leadership back then we would probably have four trading partners today,
Middleeuropa (what Hitler was to call Europe after he unified it under the
Nazi banner) the South East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere (what the Japanese
were trying to create), Communist China and a Stalinist Soviet Union. But I
rather like this world much more, a place where you and others like you can
sift through America's past and loosely link some historical inaccuracies to
find a conspiracy where there is none and not suffer any consequences.

Steve




> --
> From: flw
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> Sent: Tuesday, July 3, 2001 9:47 PM
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> Subject:  [CTRL] FDR- Pearl Harbor and the Holocaust
>
> -Caveat Lector-
>
> The evidence indicates FDR knew about Pearl Harbor and
> did nothing; now it is clear he knew about the impending Holocaust
> and did nothing. Now we know what FDR really stands for:
> "F**king Dirty Rat."
> flw
>
> THE TIMES
> WEDNESDAY JULY 04 2001
>
> Allies 'were told of Holocaust in 1941'
>
> BY BEN MACINTYRE
>
> BRITISH and American intelligence services knew of Nazi genocide plans
> months earlier than previously thought,
> according to a newly declassified document in the United States, but did
> not warn Jews of the impending
> Holocaust.
> A report written in November 1941, obtained by British 

Re: [CTRL] Lord, Please have mercy . . .

[Steve Suranie]

-Caveat Lector-

>>On almost all other populated worlds everyone is the same, so what is the
attraction in living 800 years
like that when you can have 80 of this?<<

Ah Dale, what other populated worlds do you  know of? ; )

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> From: Dale Stonehouse
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> > -Original Message-
> > From: Kris Millegan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 7:14 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: [CTRL] Lord, Please have mercy . .
> .
> > Can we please can these infernal flame wars. Saba
> > aka...aka... doesn't care
> > for June and the feeling seems to be mutual either you two
> > get a handle on
> > it. start your own flame list, Pull in the claws, let it go
> > or get gone.
> >
>
> I'll second the motion.
>
> There seem to be some who have a neurotic addiction to being right, that
> is
> to make others wrong. I was raised by people like that and in my view it
> is
> not too far from hell...
>
> The creative force of this universe has decreed that differences will not
> only be allowed, they are encouraged. That is the playing field we have
> devised as contributing creative forces. On almost all other populated
> worlds everyone is the same, so what is the attraction in living 800 years
> like that when you can have 80 of this?
>
> As Dr. Phil McGraw says to so many married couples, "do you want to be
> married to you?," when they express a wish that their mate would do things
> exactly like they do them.
>
> It amuses me to see those who want everyone to be and think exactly like
> themselves. If they actually got what they think they want they would die
> of
> boredom.
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Re: [CTRL] Lord, Please have mercy . . .

[Dale Stonehouse]

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> -Original Message-
> From: Kris Millegan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 7:14 PM
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> Subject: [CTRL] Lord, Please have mercy . .
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> Can we please can these infernal flame wars. Saba
> aka...aka... doesn't care
> for June and the feeling seems to be mutual either you two
> get a handle on
> it. start your own flame list, Pull in the claws, let it go
> or get gone.
>

I'll second the motion.

There seem to be some who have a neurotic addiction to being right, that is
to make others wrong. I was raised by people like that and in my view it is
not too far from hell...

The creative force of this universe has decreed that differences will not
only be allowed, they are encouraged. That is the playing field we have
devised as contributing creative forces. On almost all other populated
worlds everyone is the same, so what is the attraction in living 800 years
like that when you can have 80 of this?

As Dr. Phil McGraw says to so many married couples, "do you want to be
married to you?," when they express a wish that their mate would do things
exactly like they do them.

It amuses me to see those who want everyone to be and think exactly like
themselves. If they actually got what they think they want they would die of
boredom.

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Re: [CTRL] CNN: Condit denies urging anyone to mislead in Levy case

[YnrChyldzWyld]

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On Wed, 4 Jul 2001, Jenny Decker wrote:
>If she disappeared without being traced, then she left the building some
>other way than upright on her feet. Rolled up in a rug, etc. Or in pieces in
>boxes. It would be possible to dismember a body in a bathtub (if you brought
>the right tools), and then neatly wash away all the blood.

It's impossible to completely wash away all traces.  There is a chemical
now used in forensic science which causes even microscopic traces of
blood to glow blue under a black light...even though to the naked eye all
traces of blood were washed away, certain proteins would have remained
behind on the walls, in the grout between tiles, in the rug, and even in
the drain, especially in the trap...


>I'd be looking for service people who came in to the building that day:
>painters, plumbers, UPS, etc. etc. Four people carrying paintbuckets, for
>example, could deal with the problem invisibly.

I'd also check out anyone who'd rented an apartment in the building
shortly before Levy disappeared

She knew for a couple of weeks that she'd be leaving on that date, so I'd
check anyone who moved into the building on 4/1, or who was scheduled to
move in on 5/1...

It could be that Levy was moved into another apartment in the building,
and then removed from the building when things cooled down...in which
case, either the 2nd apartment was already rented, or it was in the
process of 'being moved into' for 5/1, and who would question big boxes
being moved into the newly rented apartment?

Even if the 2nd apartment was rented on 4/1, little suspicion would be
raised regarding a big box or object being moved into it a month later...
it could be explained away as a newly bought entertainment center,
washing machine, etc.


June

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[CTRL] [Fwd: The downing of TWA Flight 800]

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THE DOWNING OF TWA FLIGHT 800How the cover-up 
unraveled
Editor's note: The following column by independent filmmaker 
Jack Cashill explores how the official explanation of the TWA Flight 800 
disaster fell apart upon examination in his new video documentary "Silenced: 
Flight 800 and the Subversion of Justice." It is available  online through 
WorldNetDaily's store. http://www.dxmarket.com/worldnetdaily/products/V0028.html
By Jack CashillCopyright 2001, 
WorldNetDaily.com
On the evening of July 17, 1996, when Mike Wire quit the 
switch gear room on Beach Lane Bridge for a breath of fresh air, he had no idea 
he would be strolling on to the center stage of one of the most explosive 
political cover-ups in American history. 
For the unassuming Wire (Mick to close friends) to play this 
critical role took a combination of unlikely and unrelated factors, among them 
the reckless cunning of the CIA, an unthinking bit of bureaucracy by the 
National Transportation Safety Board, a seemingly trivial slip-up by the FBI, 
the keen-eyed detective work of ***Accuracy In Media's Reed Irvine, and above 
all, the stalwart character of Mike Wire himself, a man whose courage and 
resolve the CIA would fatally underestimate. 
Wire, a union millwright from suburban Philadelphia, had 
been working all that day on this Westhampton Bridge.  At day's end, he 
leaned his burly six-foot-six inch frame against the rail on the southwest end 
of the bridge and looked out toward the sea beyond the house line.
At that moment a white light caught his eye.  Twelve 
days later, during a 90-minute interview at his Pennsylvania home, he told an 
FBI agent - "a real nice guy" - exactly what he saw.  Here is how the agent 
recorded the conversation on his "302":
"Wire saw a white light that was traveling skyward from the 
ground at approximately a 40 degree angle.  Wire described the white 
light as a light that sparkled and thought it was some type of fireworks.  
Wire stated that the white light "zig zagged" (sic) as it traveled upwards, and 
at the apex of its travel the white light "arched over" and disappeared from 
Wire's view. ... Wire stated the white light traveled outwards from the beach in 
a south-southeasterly direction." 
After the light disappeared, the 302 continues, Wire "saw an 
orange light that appeared to be a fireball." This description, by the way, 
matches the description Wire gave the FBI a few days earlier by phone and 
perfectly mirrors what the eyewitnesses observed in the NTSB missile test: the 
white smoke trail, the zig-zag, the arch, the disappearance.  At the end of 
the 302, the agent added the now ironic notation, Wire "wishes to cooperate in 
any way he can and can be re-contacted at any time."
Wire was hardly alone in his sighting.  Seven-hundred 
and thirty-five other citizens shared their observations of the crash with the 
FBI.  The patterns in their testimony are undeniable, flare after flare, 
streak after streak, zig-zag after zig-zag.  
At least 96 of these eyewitnesses saw the light rise up off 
the horizon. Many saw the explosion from a clearer angle than Wire.  At 
least four of them, for instance, saw the nose of the plane blow off; two of 
these shared this information with the FBI even before the authorities knew the 
nose had fallen off first.  Wire did not parrot these details.  He had 
left Long Island for home the next morning before any story might have 
circulated. Had a co-worker not alerted the FBI to what Wire had seen, Wire 
would have played no role in the drama to follow.
After his July 1996, interviews, Wire returned to his 
uneventful, workaday life in Pennsylvania.  Having little interest in 
politics and less in the Internet, he did not follow the controversy swelling 
around the crash.  Wire did, however, see the CIA recreation of the flight 
presented by the FBI in November of 1997, at least the abbreviated version shown 
on the news. He presumed this to be some temporary scheme to pacify the public 
and was fully unaware of his own role in it.
This CIA video, however, proved to be the central, most 
visible element of a disinformation campaign designed to discredit the 
eyewitnesses. In an animated sequence, The CIA argued that when the nose of the 
plane broke off -- due to a spontaneous explosion in the center wing tank --the 
plane pitched up and climbed like a rocket for more than 3,000 feet. According 
to the CIA, this climb, not a missile, is what the 736 official eyewitnesses 
saw.
Forget for a moment the all-but-unanimous rejection of this 
scenario by aviation world.  Forget, too, the total absence of any 
eyewitness corroboration in the FBI 302s or in the accompanying sketches. Focus 
instead on the role Mike Wire played in the video's creation.
For reasons not fully explained, the CIA chose to build its 
case squarely on Mike Wire's testimony. "FBI investigators determined precisely 
where the eyewitness was standing," says the CIA narrator of Wire while t