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Goldberg Says Coulter Wasn't Fired
Reverses His Positions Of Only Two Days Ago

10/4/01 3:34:05 PM
National Review Online

Commentary -- LAffaire Coulter

Goodbye to all that.

By Jonah Goldberg, NRO Editor

http://www.nationalreview.com

October 3, 2001 2:20 p.m.

[Note that only two to three days ago, Goldberg was telling the Washington
Post
that he fired Coulter for writing inappropriate material.  My how things
change.]

Dear Readers,

As many of you may have heard, we've dropped Ann Coulter's column from
NRO.
This has sparked varying amounts of protest, support, and, most of all,
curiosity from our readers. We owe you an explanation.

Of course, we would explain our decision to Ann, but the reality is that
she's
called the shots from the get-go. It was Ann who decided to sever her ties
with
National Review  not the other way around.

This is what happened.

In the wake of her invade-and-Christianize-them column, Coulter wrote a
long,
rambling rant of a response to her critics that was barely coherent. She's
a
smart and funny person, but this was Ann at her worst  emoting rather
than
thinking, and badly needing editing and some self-censorship, or what is
commonly referred to as "judgment."

Running this "piece" would have been an embarrassment to Ann, and to NRO.
Rich
Lowry pointed this out to her in an e-mail (I was returning from my
honeymoon).
She wrote back an angry response, defending herself from the charge that
she
hates Muslims and wants to convert them at gunpoint.

But this was not the point. It was NEVER the point. The problem with Ann's
first column was its sloppiness of expression and thought. Ann didn't fail
as a
person  as all her critics on the Left say  she failed as WRITER, which
for
us is almost as bad.

Rich wrote her another e-mail, engaging her on this point, and asking
her  in
more diplomatic terms  to approach the whole controversy not as a
PR-hungry,
free-swinging pundit on Geraldo, but as a careful writer.

No response.

Instead, she apparently proceeded to run around town bad-mouthing NR and
its
employees. Then she showed up on TV and, in an attempt to ingratiate
herself
with fellow martyr Bill Maher, said we were "censoring" her.

By this point, it was clear she wasn't interested in continuing the
relationship.

What publication on earth would continue a relationship with a writer who
would
refuse to discuss her work with her editors? What publication would
continue to
publish a writer who attacked it on TV? What publication would continue to
publish a writer who lied about it  on TV and to a Washington Post
reporter?

And, finally, what CONSERVATIVE publication would continue to publish a
writer
who doesn't even know the meaning of the word "censorship"?

So let me be clear: We did not "fire" Ann for what she wrote, even though
it
was poorly written and sloppy. We ended the relationship because she
behaved
with a total lack of professionalism, friendship, and loyalty.

What's Ann's take on all this? Well, she told the Washington Post
yesterday
that she loves it, because she's gotten lots of great publicity. That
pretty
much sums Ann up.

On the Sean Hannity show yesterday, however, apparently embarrassed by her
admission to the Post, she actually tried to deny that she has sought
publicity
in this whole matter. Well, then, Ann, why did you complain of being
"censored"
on national TV? Why did you brag to the Post about all the PR?

Listening to Ann legalistically dodge around trying to explain all this
would
have made Bill Clinton blush.

Ann also told the Post that we only paid her $5 a month for her work
(would
that it were so!). Either this is a deliberate lie, or Ann needs to call
her
accountant because someone's been skimming her checks.

Many readers have asked, why did we run the original column in which Ann
declared we should "invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert
them
to Christianity"  if we didn't like it?

Well, to be honest, it was a mistake. It stemmed from the fact this was a
supposedly pre-edited syndicated column, coming in when NRO was operating
with
one phone line and in general chaos. Our bad.

Now as far as Ann's charges go, I must say it's hard to defend against
them,
because they either constitute publicity-minded name-calling, like calling
us "girly-boys"  or they're so much absurd bombast.

For example:

 Ann  a self-described "constitutional lawyer"  volunteered on
Politically
Incorrect that our "censoring" of her column was tantamount to "repealing
the
First Amendment." Apparently, in Ann's mind, she constitutes the thin
blonde
line between freedom and tyranny, and so any editorial decision she
dislikes
must be a travesty.

 She sniffed to the Washington Post's Howard Kurtz that "Every once in
awhile
they'll [National Review] throw one of their people to the wolves to get
good
press in left-wing publications." I take personal offense to this charge.
She's
acc

Re: [CTRL] News.com: U.S.: Give us your air space


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Well the stock to watch is always Occidental Oil and Schlumberger
Munitions and Schlumberger is up.

This was the munitions place robbed by Gordon Novel in black bag CIA job
and he said it was the most patriotic job ever pulled off

he about got hanged on that one but he was just a young man then.

So cray havoc - turn loos the dogs of war.

So Bush and bin Laden like Benhadad - for they were 'brothers"?

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[CTRL] News.com: U.S.: Give us your air space


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U.S,: Give us your air space

05oct01


AMERICA asked NATO yesterday for unlimited access to allies' airspace as
preparations built up for an expected strike on Afghanistan.

It wants the allies to give carte blanche to fly through their airspace as
well as for the use of air bases in Europe and NATO fuel pipelines.

NATO sources said it was the first time the United States had asked to use
the alliance's Cold War-era network of aviation fuel pipelines since the
1991 Gulf War.

In another military move, the US Army put 1000 troops from the 10th
Mountain Division in New York state on alert for possible movement to
Central Asia to join a build-up of US forces near Afghanistan.

And in other developments:

PRESIDENT George W. Bush unveiled a $A150 billion cash injection to try and
save the ailing American economy from recession.

NEW York Mayor Rudy Giuliani said he will not press for a third term but
repeated his offer to stay on for an extra three months to help repair the
city.

THE FBI said the hero passengers on the hijacked jet that crashed into a
Pennsylvania field had "engaged in a fight for their lives".

The possibility of conflict has made the world edgy, and the US and French
governments announced measures to build defences against biological
attacks.

Wall Street relaxed somewhat as shares leapt at the close after Mr Bush
unveiled the rescue package for the economy.

Mr Bush's bid to soothe economic nerves came after a warning by
attorney-general John Ashcroft that any strike by the US military, built up
around Afghanistan in a hunt for the prime suspect in the attacks, Osama
bin Laden, could provoke reprisals at home.

The time window for US-led military action in Afghanistan is narrowing and
several indicators point to a possible strike from early next week, experts
said.

US officials are still requesting help from partners as diverse as Saudi
Arabia, Russia, NATO and Uzbekistan but a host of factors, including
politicians' travel plans, the humanitarian situation in Afghanistan,
public opinion, the weather and Muslim holidays all point to a short window
of opportunity for action between October 8 and mid-November. Mr Bush's
final decision will depend on whether Washington has vital intelligence on
the location of bin Laden and his al Qaeda bases.

Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said he had an inkling of bin Laden's
whereabouts, but not an exact location.

Mr Rumsfeld landed in Saudi Arabia yesterday and British Prime Minister
Tony Blair is expected to arrive in Pakistan today, the only country still
recognising the Taliban. Pakistan has sided with the US, helping to further
cement Mr Bush's coalition against terrorism.

The Taliban appear to have gained some breathing space as it is unlikely
Washington will launch a campaign with Mr Blair and Mr Rumsfeld in the
region.



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Islamic Civilization and Human Progress
PART 2 - Jabir Ibn Haiyan (The Father of Chemistry)


 JABIR IBN HAIYAN
(Died 803 A.D.)


Jabir Ibn Haiyan, the alchemist Geber of the Middle Ages, is generally
known as the father of chemistry. Abu Musa Jabir Ibn Hayyan, sometimes
called al-Harrani and al-Sufi, was the son of the druggist (Attar).
The precise date of his birth is the subject of some discussion, but
it is established that he practiced medicine and alchemy in Kufa (in
Iraq) around 776 A.D. He is reported to have studied under Imam Ja'far
Sadiq (AS). In his early days, he practiced medicine and was under the
patronage of the Barmaki Vizir during the Abbssid Caliphate of Haroon
al-Rashid. He was placed under house arrest in Kufa by the
Abbassees, where he died in 803 A.D. due to his attachment to the
Ahl-lul Bayt (AS).

Jabir's major contribution was in the field of chemistry. He
introduced experimental investigation into alchemy, which rapidly
changed its character into modern chemistry. On the ruins of his
well-known laboratory remained after centuries, but his fame
rests on over 100 monumental treatises, of which 22 relate to
chemistry and alchemy. His contribution of fundamental importance to
chemistry includes perfection of scientific techniques such as
crystallization, distillation, calcinations, sublimation and
evaporation and development of several instruments for the same. The
fact of early development of chemistry as a distinct branch of science
by the Arabs, instead of the earlier vague ideas, is well-established
and the very name chemistry is derived from the Arabic word al-Kimya,
which was studied and developed extensively by the Muslim scientists.

Perhaps Jabir's major practical achievement was the discovery of
mineral and others acids, which he prepared for the first time
in his alembic (Anbique). Apart from several contributions of basic
nature to alchemy, involving largely the preparation of new
compounds and development of chemical methods, he also developed a
number of applied chemical processes, thus becoming a pioneer in the
field of applied science. His achievements in this field include
preparation of various metals, development of steel, dyeing of cloth
and tanning of leather, varnishing of water-proof cloth, use of
manganese dioxide in glass-making, prevention of rusting, lettering in
gold, identification of paints, greases, etc. During the course of
these practical endeavors, he also developed aqua regia to dissolve
gold. The alembic is his great invention, which made easy and
systematic the process of distillation. Jabir laid great stress on
experimentation and accuracy in his work.

Based on their properties, he has described three distinct types of
substances. First, spirits i.e. those which vaporize on heating,
like camphor, arsenic and ammonium chloride; secondly, metals, for
example, gold, silver, lead, copper, iron, and thirdly, the
category of compounds which can be converted into powders. He thus
paved the way for such later classification as metals,
non-metals and volatile substances.

Although known as an alchemist, he did not seem to have seriously
pursued the preparation of noble metals as an alchemist;
instead he devoted his effort to the development of basic chemical
methods and study of mechanisms of chemical reactions in
themselves and thus helped evolve chemistry as a science from the
legends of alchemy. He emphasized that, in chemical reactions,
definite quantities of various substances are involved and thus can be
said to have paved the way for the law of constant proportions.

A large number of books are included in his corpus. Apart from
chemistry, he also contributed to other sciences such as medicine and
astronomy. His books on chemistry, including his Kitab-al-Kimya, and
Kitab al-Sab'een were translated into Latin and various European
languages. These translations were popular in Europe for several
centuries and have influenced the evolution of modern chemistry.
Several technical terms devised by Jabir, such as alkali, are today
found in various European languages and have become part of scientific
vocabulary. Only a few of his books have been edited and published,
while several others preserved in Arabic have yet to be annotated and
published.

Doub

Re: [CTRL] Islam by Cat Stevens


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too bad the word islam means submission, and muslim means one who submits
--
  Doubt.
   Doubt thyself.
   Doubt even if thou doubtest thyself.
   Doubt all.
   Doubt even if thou doubtest all.
   It seems sometimes as if beneath all conscious doubt
 there lay some deepest certainty.  O kill it!  Slay the
 snake!
   The horn of the Doubt-Goat be exalted
   Dive deeper, ever deeper, into the Abyss of Mind,
 until thou unearth the fox THAT.  On, hounds!
 Yoicks!  Tally-ho!  Bring THAT to bay!
   Then, wind the Mort!

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[CTRL] Destruction of the Trade Centers: Occult Symbolism Indicates Enemies Within Our Own Government


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Destruction of the Trade Centers: Occult Symbol
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Destruction of the Trade Centers:
 Occult Symbolism Indicates Enemies Within Our Own Government
by Robert Howard
Hard Truth/Wake Up America

This page will be Updated with more research on the number 11 or any other
occult numbers or symbolism as it is found.
Sept. 11
Twin Towers =11+Flight
11+   Sept. 11

The obvious = 33  11+11+11=33. This is what was to be the obvious and blown
of by most to be coincidental if many made it this far. But to those of us
who know better we always look deeper. If you look even closer the results
are more Satanic. But first lets look at the Occults fanaticism with
numerology and what these numbers represent. The numbers
3,7,9,11,13,18,28,33,39,77 and 666 or any multiple of these numbers have
special meaning to the Freemasons and the Illuminati.

Number 3:
To be researched

Number 7:

LUCIFER=7 letters. More research to be done on this number.

Number 11:
In systems such as Astrology and basic Numerology, eleven is considered to be
a Master Number. Eleven can also represent sin; transgression and peril. Ten
being the perfect number, eleven represents the exceeding of both. It is
interesting to note that eleven when broken down (1+1=2) comprises the Two of
duality. (LUCIFER tried/wanted to be equal to God) Number eleven is a master
vibration and as such should not be reduced to a single number. People with
this number could be both idealistic and visionary, and they are attracted to
the unknown. They can be both unusual, interesting and magnetic personalities.
 Eleven bring the gift of spiritual inheritance, (system of the Anti-Christ)
is gifted as the "Light-Bearer". (One of the names of Lucifer)
http://www.greatdreams.com/eleven/num11.htm see also cutting edges article on
11  MASSIVE TERRORISM AGAINST AMERICAN CITIES!

Number 13:
E.W. Bullinger writes: "As to the significance of thirteen, all are aware
that it has come down to us as a number of ill-omen. Many superstitions
cluster around it, and various explanations are current concerning them.
"Unfortunately, those who go backwards to find a reason seldom go back far
enough. The popular explanations do not, so far as we are aware, go further
back than the Apostles. But we must go back to the first occurrence of the
number thirteen in order to discover the key to its significance. It occurs
first in Gen. xiv. 4, where we read 'Twelve years they served Chedorlaomer,
and the thirteenth year they REBELLED.' "Hence every occurrence of the number
thirteen, and likewise of every multiple of it, stamps that with which it
stands in connection with rebellion, apostasy, defection, corruption,
disintegration, revolution, or some kindred idea." (Bullinger, E.W. Number in
Scripture, Kregel Publications, (c)1967, p. 205). Is it any coincidence that
the Masons consider this to be the most Masonically Correct Number? It should
also be noted that there are 33 titles in the Old Testament for the
antichrist, while there are 13 in the New Testament? (according to an article
by Chuck Missler of Koinoia House (http://www.khouse.org) For more on the
number 13 see 13 and 33: The Freemason's Signature A must read!! see also :
Thirteen: The Number of Rebellion  Also 13 is the number of death and
rebirth, death and reincarnation, sacrifice, the Phoenix, the Christ
(perfected soul imprisoned in matter), and the transition from the old to the
new. Apollo Mission's Masonic Symbols

Number 18:
6+6+6=18. More research to be done on 18.

Number 28:
The number 28 is one of the correspondences of Solomon in kabbalistic
numerology; the Solomonic name assigned to 28 is "Beale."

Number 33:

The obvious of course is 11x3=33


Albert Pike (1809-1891) born on Dec 29. US lawyer, historian, general.
Masonic author. Brig General, (Confederate Army), died in 1891. Well-known
Masonic author (Morals and Dogma) and composer of the ritual for the
concordant body, the Scottish Rite, Southern Jurisdiction, he was elected
Sovereign Grand Commander of that body in 1859, an office he held until his
death. Appointed Grand Orator of the Grand Lodge of Arkansas on November 7,
1864, from 1853 onward he was, at various times, chairman of numerous
committees and boards, as well as Grand Representative of four jurisdictions.
The Main founder of the Ku Klux Klan (KKK) see also: The Scottish Rite's KKK
Project

Albert Pike created the 33rd degree of Masonry. Confessed LUCIFERIAN and
founder of the K.K.K. The Ku Klux Klan is an organization which prided itself
( and still does) in the torture and murder of men for the color of their
skin. This is Demonic in itself. So we have a confessed LUCIFERIAN (666) who
created the 33rd degree of masonry and founded the KKK. K is the eleventh
number of the Alp

Re: [CTRL] ahem


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Sunni follow the Koran - Shiite do not and they were weren't they the
ancient Persian order of Assassins?

Shiite's got away from Koran ..

Now this is Ismael all these years for God gave him all that Oil and
gave Israel, the shaft 

Saba

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Islamic Civilization and Human Progress
PART 1 - Introduction


INTRODUCTION I - Terminology

Western writers have often used the word Arabs or Muhammadans for
Muslims and Arabic civilization for Islamic Civilization. In other
instances, the words Saracen(ic) and Moor(ish) are also used for
Muslims (Arabs and non-Arabs) from various parts of Europe, Africa,
Arabia and Asia. According to a tradition of the Prophet Muhammad
(pbuh) anyone whose primary language is Arabic is an Arab despite his
ethnic origin, place of birth, or national origin. Arabic was the
medium of communication throughout the Muslim world until a couple of
centuries ago, regardless of the type of activity whether religious,
social or scientific. During 800-1500 C.E. essentially all
scientific works were written in Arabic. It is only after colonization
of Muslim lands that this practice became less prevalent and in many
instances was eliminated.


INTRODUCTION II - Tributes of Western Authors

George Sarton's Tribute to Muslim Scientists in the "Introduction to
the History of Science," I "It will suffice here to evoke a few
glorious names without contemporary equivalents in the West: Jabir ibn
Haiyan, al-Kindi, al-Khwarizmi, al-Fargani, al-Razi, Thabit ibn Qurra,
al-Battani, Hunain ibn Ishaq, al-Farabi, Ibrahim ibn Sinan, al-Masudi,
al-Tabari, Abul Wafa, 'Ali ibn Abbas, Abul Qasim, Ibn al-Jazzar,
al-Biruni, Ibn Sina, Ibn Yunus, al-Kashi, Ibn al-Haitham, 'Ali Ibn
'Isa al-Ghazali, al-zarqab, Omar Khayyam. A magnificent array of names
which it would not be difficult to extend. If anyone tells you that
the Middle Ages were scientifically sterile, just quote these men to
him, all of whom flourished within a short period, 750 to 1100 A.D."


John William Draper in the "Intellectual Development of Europe"

"I have to deplore the systematic manner in which the literature of
Europe has continued to put out of sight our obligations to the
Muhammadans. Surely they cannot be much longer hidden. Injustice
founded on religious rancour and national conceit cannot be
perpetuated forever. The Arab has left his intellectual impress on
Europe. He has indelibly written it on the heavens as any one may see
who reads the names of the stars on a common celestial globe."

Robert Briffault in the "Making of Humanity"

"It was under the influence of the arabs and Moorish revival of
culture and not in the 15th century, that a real renaissance took
place. Spain, not Italy, was the cradle of the rebirth of Europe.
After steadily sinking lower and lower into barbarism, it had reached
the darkest depths of ignorance and degradation when cities of the
Saracenic world, Baghdad, Cairo, Cordova, and Toledo, were growing
centers of civilization and intellectual activity. It was there that
the new life arose which was to grow into new phase of human
evolution. From the time when the influence of their culture made
itself felt, began the stirring of new life.
"It was under their successors at Oxford School (that is, successors
to the Muslims of Spain) that Roger Bacon learned Arabic and Arabic
Sciences.
Neither Roger Bacon nor later namesake has any title to be credited
with having introduced the experimental method. Roger Bacon was no
more than one of apostles of Muslim Science and Method to Christian
Europe; and he never wearied of declaring that knowledge of Arabic and
Arabic Sciences was for his contemporaries the only way to true
knowledge. Discussion as to who was the originator of the experimental
methodare part of the colossal misinterpretation of the origins of
European civilization. The experimental method of Arabs was by Bacon's
time widespread and eagerly cultivated throughout Europe.

"Science is the most momentous contribution of Arab civilization to
the modern world; but its fruits were slow in ripening. Not until long
after Moorish culture had sunk back into darkness did the giant, which
it had given birth to, rise in his might. It was not science only
which brought Europe back to life. Other and manifold influence from
the civilization of Islam communicated its first glow to European Life
.

"For Although there is not a single aspect of European growth in which
the decisive influence of Islamic Culture is not traceable, nowhere is
it so clear and momentous as in the genesis of that power which
constitutes t

[CTRL] ahem


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some stuff from Assassins: A Radical Islamic Sect

"The Templars and Hospitallers succeded in
establishing an ascendancy over the Assassin castles,
and collected tribute from them.

also, originally, the crusaders placed the assassins
in Syria...Sirius?  the 23 enigma?

the hashishin were the zealots of islam...claiming
descent from Isma' il - hence they are called a sect
of the Ismailis...Ismai' il apparently was the closest
thing to blood to Mohammed when he died and hence the
sect was born...forever at odds with the Sunnis who
did not recognize any blood claim on the prophet and
on islam...

here in the west, supposedly, we have the priory de
sion...those who have maintained, like the assassins,
power through conspiracy and assassination...but not
of mohammed's blood - of yeshua's

is this secretly a blood feud?


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disinformation | how to fuck (with) the skull &
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how to fuck (with) the skull & bones society
by Jaye C. Beldo ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - October 04, 2001

One of the more unsavory occult organizations we should proactively attempt
to subvert is the Skull and Bones society located at Yale University in New
Haven, Connecticut. Revenantly speaking, the society's membership list
includes such sleazy notables as Prescott Bush, Grandfather of CIA Director
and US President G.W. Bush. Apparently S and B is a spin off of an even older
organization located in Germany and was imported back to America in the early
1800's by one General Russell of Opium smuggling fame. For more information
on the Skull and Bones, including an extensive membership list, I recommend
checking out the following Web site.
S and B's most famous transgression to date, indigenously speaking, has been
the ransacking of Geronimo's grave at Fort Sill, Oklahoma and the hauling of
the Apache Chief's skull back to headquarters in 1918 where it is used to
this day in their perverted rituals in attempts to maintain occult control of
the masses. There was even an attempt initiated by Ned Anderson, the Tribal
Chairman of the San Carlos Apache tribe to have the skull returned to its
rightful place, apparently to no avail. However it would be most heartening
to see these efforts renewed and intensified.
Considering the pervasive degree of perversion involved, it is imperative
that we investigate S and B using a form of proactive imagination, rather
than the follow the well trodden paths of the usual fear and passive
fascination based approaches to conspiracy. I would like to share a
psychnique I originally devised over fourteen years ago called Integrative
Dream Narration (IDN) as I sense that it is a most effective way of
countering the malefic influence of secret societies such as the S and B.
IDN combines the dreams of individual participants into a collective, ever
evolving meta-narrative that has many symbiotic healing properties within it,
once the dreamscape created through the psychnique is actively explored.
The spontaneous dream combinations IDN affords, enhance a sense of shared
consciousness, group telepathy and a deepening of intuitive perceptions on
many levels,which can then be responsibly applied in a variety of insightful,
constructive, even entertaining ways. In IDN workshops conducted at such
places as the Institute of Noetic Sciences, the Theosophical Society,
Pathways, Unity Church and elsewhere, I have introduced into the imaginal
dreamscape created through the merged dreams such spiritually entropic
institutions as the CIA, Royal Institute of International Affairs (Chatham
House in Britain), Tavistock, the Heritage Foundation, PR agencies such as
Burson Marsteller and Hill and Knowlton, as well as transnational media
venues such as ABC and Time/Warner. IDN participants are then encouraged to
use the barometer of the group intuition created through the merged dreams,
as a means to see through the spin doctored smokescreens and other propaganda
tricks perpetually generated by these institutions to distract us or keep us
entranced and incapacitated to take any meaningful and effective action to
counter their effects. Participants claiming they have little intuitive or
psychic ability begin responding to the imaginal presence of these
organizations in creative and empathetic ways, mostly beyond the scope of
their own individual selves/egos.
It is natural that the institutions that are investigated using IDN respond
in a similar, empathetic fashion to such inquiries, although this may not be
obvious at first. (it is recommended to try IDN as described in the above
mentioned article before attempting to investigate occult organizations. See
the link to the IDN article below). Cultivating such perceptive abilities
helps ward off the negative effects of these institutions and the entities
controlling them, which are basically founded on the same guarded principles
and practices employed by the Skull and Bones and helps us reclaim our sense
of self, essence, presence and most of all, integrity. Also such a creative
approach to institutions encourages the strengthening of the aura around our
physical, emotional and spiritual bodies, essential to preventing psychic
attack as well as warding off the astral Gestapo currently policing the lower
astral plane of the conspiracy world in general.
For instructions on how to perform the IDN psychnique, please refer to the
following article on the ViewZone website before reading what follows below.
Employing the IDN psychnique, I would like to now imaginally investigate the
Skull and Bones society, not from any adversarial position which would only
serve to perpetuate the illusion of dualism which privileges them to hide
behind, but from the flexibly multiplex perspective which IDN so naturally
encourages. For this sessi

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House Judiciary's Patriot Act, HTML version online
---
1. the official version in PDF
http://www.house.gov/judiciary/hr2975terrorismbill.pdf
2. Analysis
http://www.eff.org/Privacy/Surveillance/20011001_house_patriot_analysis.html
3. House Judiciary committee unanimously approves
"PATRIOT" act
http://www.wired.com/news/conflict/0,2100,47312,00.html


State of emergency declared after acquittal of
Cincinnati cop who shot youth
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/sep2001/cinc-s28.shtml

CIA Secretly Trained Pakistanis
http://news.excite.com/news/ap/011003/00/cia-bin-laden

Hitchens and Coulter: Love at Last?
http://www.counterpunch.org/bell1.html

Ecuador's Zapara tribe beat extinction
http://itn.co.uk/news/20011004/world/04tribe.shtml?mailafriend

Car bomb explodes in Jerusalem
http://www3.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/meast/10/01/jerusalem.explosion/index.html

The Balfour Declaration
http://www.lib.byu.edu/~rdh/wwi/1917/balfour.html

AN OPEN LETTER TO THE UNITED NATIONS HIGH COMMISSION
ON HUMAN RIGHTS REGARDING THE
UNITED STATES 2000 GENERAL PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION
http://www.petitiononline.com/uncoup2k/

War on Terror Profitable
http://www.americanfreepress.net/10_01_01/War_on_Terror_Profitable/war_on_terror_profitable.html

Justice Journalism
http://www.media-alliance.org/mediafile/20-4/justice.html

THE CHEMICAL THREAT TO KIDS
http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=11636

Gold Depositories Buried Beneath Trade Center Rubble
http://news.crosswalk.com/partner/Article_Display_Page/0,,PTID74088%7CCHID194343%7CCIID828204,00.html

'Spooky action at a distance'
http://www.csmonitor.com/2001/1004/p15s1-stss.html

us terrorist attacks: a thelemite's rundown
http://www.disinfo.com/pages/article/id1619/pg1/

Six Killed in Greyhound Crash After Passenger Slashes
Driver's Throat
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,35615,00.html

Rushdie's air ban
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,2001330019-2001334144,00.html

The last moments of Flight 11
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/americas/newsid_1556000/1556096.stm

India in anti-Taliban military plan: 26 June 2001
http://www.indiareacts.com/Story33.htm

Sharon is urged to crush Arafat 'once and for all'
http://portal.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/09/16/wmid16.xml

Hawaii is not legally a state!
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/HAWAII/hawaii.html

The Sabotage Of Legitimate Dissent
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/COINTELPRO/cointelpro.html

The Subversion Of The Free Press By The CIA
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/MOCK/mockingbird.html

The Activities at Mena
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/MENA/mena.html

ALLEGATIONS OF CONNECTIONS BETWEEN CIA AND THE CONTRAS
IN COCAINE TRAFFICKING
TO THE UNITED STATES
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/MENA/CIAREPORT/contents.html

9-11peace.org
http://www.9-11peace.org/

Ebola-style killer virus sweeps Afghan border
http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/10/04/wref04.xml

Low tech hacking
http://www.parascope.com/en/0996/tesla9.htm

President¡¦s oil companies funded by Bin Laden family
and wealthy Saudis who financed Osama bin Laden
http://www.americanfreedomnews.com/afn_articles/bushsecrets.htm

Trading on Terror: Fast Tracks backers use September
11 to renew free-trade push
http://www.thenation.com/thebeat/

Bush Pledges More Aid for Afghanistan
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A5048-2001Oct4.html

Taliban Fortifies Capital For War
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A2416-2001Oct3.html

Blair Lays Out Evidence Pointing to bin Laden
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/10/04/international/04CND-BRIT.html?ex=1002859200&en=25223a7103128cf0&ei=5007&partner=ISYNDICATE

U.S. Senate Rejects Arctic Drilling Amendment
http://www.ensnews.com/index.cfm?id=26E3DF55-8EB1-424C-B2AE9CD0152FED2C&action=display

Montana Town Suffering From Deadly Legacy of Asbestos
Mine
http://www.sltrib.com/2001/sep/09302001/business/business.htm

Instant Messages To Israel Warned Of WTC Attack
http://www.newsbytes.com/news/01/170583.html

Sudan's Offer to Arrest Militant Fell Through After
Saudis Said No
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61251-2001Oct2.html

Post-modern censorship
http://prorev.com/pscensored.htm

Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting [FAIR]
http://www.fair.org/

News comes out that the Carlyle Group is the nexus of
bin Laden and Bush Jr.'s financial connections
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a1dad865f5b.htm
and SUDDENLY, their web page is yanked and being
'redesigned' - or is it being sanitized?
http://www.thecarlylegroup.com/

ON WAR, TERRORISM, AFGHANISTAN, AL-QAEDA, AND OSAMA
BIN LADEN
http://socrates.berkeley.edu/~pdscott/q.html

THE DISMANTLING OF AMERICA - The Phoney War in
Afghanistan
http://www.brojon.com/frontpage/bj091701.html

about

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At 08:01 PM 10/2/01 -0400, Bill Howard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

  wrote:

>Looks like we will have one less liberal educator when this hearing is over.


Nope.  Looks like one less Leninist cadre boring from within.

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Amnesty International Urges Investigation of Ariel Sharon

LONDON, UK, 3 October 2001 (AI): A court in Brussels will today
(3 October 2001) begin to consider arguments about whether
Israel's Prime Minister Ariel Sharon may be investigated in
Belgium for alleged war crimes committed in Lebanon in 1982
while he was Israel's Minister of Defence.

"Amnesty International welcomes actions taken in accordance with
international law to combat impunity," said the organization.
"We support the judicial investigation into Ariel Sharon's
responsibility with regard to the Sabra and Shatila massacre."

The complaint against Sharon was first lodged with the Belgian
Public Prosecutor's Office in June 2001. Ariel Sharon was
Minister of Defence, with overall responsibility for the Israeli
Defence Forces (IDF), at the time of the 1982 massacre of
Palestinians in Sabra and Shatila refugee camps on the outskirts
of Beirut. The IDF allowed the Lebanese Phalange militia to
enter the camps where the killing of hundreds, mostly
Palestinian refugees, continued for at least 30 hours. The
complainants, a group of 23 Lebanese and Palestinians, had filed
the case under Belgian legislation enacted in 1993 and 1999
which allows Belgian courts to prosecute foreigners for certain
offences committed abroad, including genocide, war crimes and
crimes against humanity. However, the resulting investigation
was suspended by the investigating magistrate in early September
2001 until doubts about the legal validity of the procedure were
resolved.

Amnesty International calls on states to ensure prompt, thorough
and independent investigations wherever allegations of crimes
under international law are made. If such an investigation shows
there is enough evidence for a prosecution, then, in accordance
with international law which allows the national courts of any
state to try people accused of such crimes, regardless of the
nationality of the alleged perpetrators or victims and
regardless of where the crimes were committed, Amnesty
International calls on states to bring the accused to trial or
extradite them to another country for trial, provided certain
safeguards are met. No one may be extradited to a country which
cannot assure that any trial on such charges meets international
standards for fairness and does not result in the imposition of
the death penalty or other cruel, inhuman or degrading
punishment.

The lawyer representing Israel argued that Belgium lacks the
legal authority to try Ariel Sharon on charges relating to the
1982 massacre. Among her arguments the lawyer stated that Prime
Minister Ariel Sharon has immunity as a head of government; the
case had already been considered in Israel by the Kahan
Commission of Inquiry, which was a judicial commission; the 1993
law cannot be used retroactively; and the case has no connection
with Belgium. A Brussels public prosecutor rejected the defence
arguments and said that the case should go ahead. The court
hearing due to start on 3 October will rule on the legality of
the proceedings against Ariel Sharon in Belgium, not on the
content of the case against him.

Amnesty International has welcomed Belgium's universal
jurisdiction laws and the 27 August 2001 statements attributed
to Belgian Prime Minister Guy Verhofstadt voicing support for
the legislation and suggesting that it be extended to the entire
European Union.

The first case involving the exercise of universal jurisdiction
to come to trial in Belgium resulted in the conviction in June
2001 of four Rwandan nationals for war crimes committed in 1994.
Amnesty International welcomed this judgement as a significant
step forward in the use of universal jurisdiction, an essential
tool in the struggle against impunity.

A number of criminal complaints have been lodged with the
Belgian courts against leaders and prominent members of past and
present governments. In addition to Ariel Sharon, these have
included: former Chilean President General Augusto Pinochet;
former Speaker of Parliament and President of the Islamic
Republic of Iran Hojjatoleslam Ali Akbar Rafsanjani; former
Moroccan Minister of Interior Driss Basri; former Foreign
Minister Abdoulaye Yerodia Ndombasi and several other government
ministers of the Democratic Republic of the Congo; President
Paul Kagame of Rwanda; former President Hissene Habre of Chad;
and President Saddam Hussein of Iraq.

Background
The principle of universal jurisdiction permits the national
courts of any state to try people accused of crimes under
international law, inclu

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  Dead link.  Got another?

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Ever since the United States Army massacred 300 Lakotas in 1890,
American
forces have intervened elsewhere around the globe 100 times. Indeed
the
United States has sent troops abroad or militarily struck other
countries'
territory 216 times since independence from Britain. Since 1945 the
United
States has intervened in more than 20 countries throughout the world.

Since World War II, the United States actually dropped bombs on 23
countries. These include:
China 1945-46,
Korea 1950-53,
China 1950-53,
Guatemala 1954,
Indonesia 1958,
Cuba 1959-60,
Guatemala 1960,
Congo 1964,
Peru 1965,
Laos 1964-73,
Vietnam 1961-73,
Cambodia 1969-70,
Guatemala 1967-69,
Grenada 1983,
Lebanon 1984,
Libya 1986,
El Salvador 1980s,
Nicaragua 1980s,
Panama 1989,
Iraq 1991-1999,
Sudan 1998,
Afghanistan 1998,
and Yugoslavia 1999.

Post World War II, the United States has also assisted in over 20
different
coups throughout the world, and the CIA was responsible for half a
dozen
assassinations of political heads of state.

The following is a comprehensive summary of the imperialist strategy
of the
United States over the span of the past century:

Argentina - 1890 - Troops sent to Buenos Aires to protect business
interests.

Chile - 1891 - Marines sent to Chile and clashed with nationalist
rebels.

Haiti - 1891 - American troops suppress a revolt by Black workers on
United
States-claimed Navassa Island.


Hawaii - 1893 - Navy sent to Hawaii to overthrow the independent
kingdom -
Hawaii annexed by the United States.

Nicaragua - 1894 - Troops occupied Bluefields, a city on the
Caribbean Sea,
for a month.

China - 1894-95 - Navy, Army, and Marines landed during the Sino
Japanese
War.

Korea - 1894-96 - Troops kept in Seoul during the war.


Panama - 1895 - Army, Navy, and Marines landed in the port city of
Corinto.

China - 1894-1900 - Troops occupied China during the Boxer Rebellion.

Philippines - 1898-1910 - Navy and Army troops landed after the
Philippines
fell during the Spanish-American War; 600,000 Filipinos were killed.

Cuba - 1898-1902 - Troops seized Cuba in the Spanish-American War;
the
United States still maintains troops at Guantanamo Bay today.

Puerto Rico - 1898 - present - Troops seized Puerto Rico in the
Spanish-American War and still occupy Puerto Rico today.

Nicaragua - 1898 - Marines landed at the port of San Juan del Sur.

Samoa - 1899 - Troops landed as a result over the battle for
succession to
the throne.

Panama - 1901-14 - Navy supported the revolution when Panama claimed
independence from Colombia. American troops have occupied the Canal
Zone
since 1901 when construction for the canal began.

Honduras - 1903 - Marines landed to intervene during a revolution.

Dominican Rep 1903-04 - Troops landed to protect American interests
during a
revolution.

Korea - 1904-05 - Marines landed during the Russo-Japanese War.

Cuba - 1906-09 - Troops landed during an election.

Nicaragua - 1907 - Troops landed and a protectorate was set up.

Honduras - 1907 - Marines landed during Honduras' war with Nicaragua.

Panama - 1908 - Marines sent in during Panama's election.

Nicaragua - 1910 - Marines landed for a second time in Bluefields and
Corinto.

Honduras - 1911 - Troops sent in to protect American interests during
Honduras' civil war.

China - 1911-41 - Navy and troops sent to China during continuous
flare-ups.

Cuba - 1912 - Troops sent in to protect American interests in Havana.

Panama - 1912 - Marines landed during Panama's election.

Honduras - 1912 - Troops sent in to protect American interests.

Nicaragua - 1912-33 - Troops occupied Nicaragua and fought guerrillas
during
its 20-year civil war.

Mexico - 1913 - Navy evacuated Americans during revolution.

Dominican Rep 1914 - Navy fought with rebels over Santo Domingo.

Mexico - 1914-18 - Navy and troops sent in to intervene against
nationalists.

Haiti - 1914-34 - Troops occupied Haiti after a revolution and
occupied
Haiti for 19 years.

Dominican Rep 1916-24 - Marines occupied the Dominican Republic for
eight
years.

Cuba - 1917-33 - Troops landed and occupied Cuba for 16 years; Cuba
became
an economic protectorate.

World War I - 1917-18 - Navy and Army sent to Europe to fight the
Axis
powers.

Russia - 1918-22 - Navy and troops sent to eastern Russia after the
Bolshevik Revolution; Army made five landings.

Honduras - 1919 - Marines sent during Honduras' national elections.

Guatemala - 1920 - Troops occupied Guatemala for two weeks during a
union
strike.

Turkey - 1922 - Troops fought natio

[CTRL] BUSH SR. IN BUSINESS WITH BIN LADEN FAMILY CONGLOMERATE THROUGH CARLYLE GROUP


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the Carlyle Group's web page has been yanked so that
it may be "redesigned" - sanitized?

http://www.judicialwatch.org/press_release.asp?pr_id=1624

WALL STREET JOURNAL: BUSH SR. IN BUSINESS WITH BIN
LADEN FAMILY CONGLOMERATE THROUGH CARLYLE GROUP

FAMILY HAD RENOUNCED TIES TO TERRORIST SON BUT FAMILY
STILL UNDER FBI INVESTIGATION

FATHER OF PRESIDENT SHOULD PULL OUT OF INTERNATIONAL
CONSULTING FIRM


(Washington, DC) Judicial Watch, the public interest
law firm that investigates and prosecutes government
corruption and abuse, reacted with disbelief to The
Wall Street Journal report of yesterday that George
H.W. Bush, the father of President Bush, works for the
bin Laden family business in Saudi Arabia through the
Carlyle Group, an international consulting firm. The
senior Bush had met with the bin Laden family at least
twice. (Other top Republicans are also associated with
the Carlyle group, such as former Secretary of State
James A. Baker.) The terrorist leader Osama bin Laden
had supposedly been ¡§disowned¡¨ by his family, which
runs a multi-billion dollar business in Saudi Arabia
and is a major investor in the senior Bush¡¦s firm.
Other reports have questioned, though, whether members
of his Saudi family have truly cut off Osama bin
Laden. Indeed, the Journal also reported yesterday
that the FBI has subpoenaed the bin Laden family
business¡¦s bank records.

Judicial Watch earlier this year had strongly
criticized President Bush¡¦s father¡¦s association
with the Carlyle Group, pointing out in a March 5
statement that it was a ¡§conflict of interest (which)
could cause problems for America¡¦s foreign policy in
Middle East and Asia.¡¨ Judicial Watch called for the
senior Bush to resign from the firm then.

¡§This conflict of interest has now turned into a
scandal. The idea of the President¡¦s father, an
ex-president himself, doing business with a company
under investigation by the FBI in the terror attacks
of September 11 is horrible. President Bush should not
ask, but demand, that his father pull out of the
Carlyle Group,¡¨ stated Judicial Watch Chairman and
General Counsel Larry Klayman.

¡§This has the potential of making ¡¥Billygate¡¦
(Jimmy Carter¡¦s brother¡¦s dealings with Libya) look
like small potatoes,¡¨ added Judicial Watch President
Tom Fitton.

See "Bin Laden Family Could Profit From a Jump In
Defense Spending Due to Ties to U.S. Bank," by Daniel
Golden, James Bandler, and Marcus Walker, The Wall
Street Journal, 9/28/01 (www.wsj.com, subscription
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Islam: A Home of Tolerance, not Fanaticism
By Yusuf Islam (formerly the singer Cat Stevens)

[September 21, 2001]   Media speculation since the horrific terrorist
attacks on America has pointed the finger at Muslims and the Arab
world, and that has meant ordinary citizens of the US and other
Western countries becoming easy prey for anti-faith hooligans. Shame.
Sadly, the latest horror to hit the US looks to have been caused by
people of Middle Eastern origin, bearing Muslim names. Again, shame.
This fuels more hatred for a religion and a people who have nothing
to do with these events. This is why I want to explain some basic
facts about this noble way we call Islam, before, God forbid, another
disaster occurs - next time probably aimed at Muslims.

I came to Islam in my late 20s, during my searching period as a
wandering pop star. I found a religion that blended scientific reason
with spiritual reality in a unifying faith far removed from the
headlines of violence, destruction and terrorism. One of the first
interesting things I learned in the Koran was that the name of the
faith comes from the word salam - peace. Far from the kind of Turko-
Arab-centric message I expected, the Koran presented a belief in the
universal existence of God, one God for all. It does not discriminate
against peoples; it says we may be different colors and from
different tribes, but we are all human and "the best of people are
the most God- conscious".

Today, as a Muslim, I have been shattered by the horror of recent
events; the display of death and indiscriminate killing we've all
witnessed has dented humanity's confidence in itself. Terror on this
scale affects everybody on this small planet, and no one is free from
the fallout. Yet we should remember that such violence is almost an
everyday occurrence in some Muslim lands: it should not be
exacerbated by revenge attacks on more innocent families and
communities.

Along with most Muslims, I feel it a duty to make clear that such
orchestrated acts of incomprehensible carnage have nothing to do with
the beliefs of most Muslims. The Koran specifically declares: "If
anyone murders an (innocent) person, it will be as if he has murdered
the whole of humanity. And if anyone saves a person it will be as if
he has saved the whole of humanity."

The Koran that our young people learn is full of stories and lessons
from the history of humanity as a whole. The Gospels and the Torah
are referred to; Jesus and Abraham are mentioned. In fact there is
more mention in the Koran of the prophet Moses than of any other. It
acknowledges the coexistence of other faiths, and in doing so
acknowledges that other cultures can live together in peace.

"There is no compulsion in religion," it states, meaning that people
should not be compelled to change their faith. Elsewhere it
states, "To you, your religion; to me mine." Respect for religious
values and justice is at the Koran's core. The Koranic history we
teach our young provides ample examples of inter-religious and
international relationships; of how to live together. But some
extremists take elements of the sacred scriptures out of context.
They act as individuals, and when they can't come together as part of
a political structure or consultative process, you find these
dissident factions creating their own rules, contrary to the spirit
of the Koran - which demands that those recognized as being in charge
of Muslims must consult together regarding society's affairs.

There is a whole chapter in the Koran entitled Consultation. Communal
well being is central to human life, so there is a concept in Islam
called Istihsan, which means "to look for the common good". Even
though the Koran may lay down a diktat, scholars are also supposed to
consider the circumstances prevalent at the time. Sometimes that
means choosing the lesser of two evils or even suspending legislation
if necessary: for instance, a person who steals bread during a famine
is not treated as a thief.

Once I wrote in a song, "Where do the children play?" Our sympathy
and thoughts go out to the families of all those who lost their lives
in this tragic act of violence, as well as all those injured. But
life must go on. Children still need to play, and people need to live
and learn more about their neighbors so that ignorance doesn't breed
more blind fanaticism. Moderation is part of faith, so those who
accuse Muslim schools of fostering fanaticism should learn a bit more
about Islam.

The Prophet (peace be upon him) said, "Ruined are t

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Just Scroll Thru This List To Find Out Things CNN Won't Broadcast!!

1. There is a BBC documentary that has uncovered the fact that the
company hired to count the ballots was hired by Bush's brother. How
is THAT a "fair" election? He paid them MILLIONS!!
http://www.salon.com/politics/feature/2000/12/04/voter_file/print.html

article

Here is the BBC expose' video:
http://members.tripodasia.com.hk/dengxiaoping1997/floridafarce.ram


None Dare Call It Treason

   by VINCENT BUGLIOSI

In the December 12 ruling by the US Supreme Court handing the
election to George
Bush, the Court committed the unpardonable sin of being a knowing
surrogate for the
Republican Party instead of being an impartial arbiter of the law.
http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20010205&s=bugliosi

THE MEDIA COVER-UP OF THE GORE VICTORY
By David Podvin
According to a source whose previous information has proven to be
accurate, the Consortium of news organizations that recounted the
presidential votes in the 2000 Florida election was shocked to find
that former Vice President Al Gore decisively won the state, and it
is now concealing the news of Gore's victory from the American
people.
http://makethemaccountable.com/topic_DavidPodvin.htm

ALSO:
Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia's son worked for Bush's election
team. And Ted Olsen(now Bush's Solicitor General)was Bush's key
attorney arguing his lawsuit, that he brought against Gore , before
the Supreme Court.


The Betrayal of America by Vincent Bugliosi
June 19, 2001
Bugliosi, the former Los Angeles deputy District Attorney who first
came to public attention during his successful prosecution of Charles
Manson, has written a scathing critique of the actions of the
conservative Supreme Court Justices, O'Connor, Thomas, Rehnquist,
Scalia, and Kennedy, in connection with the controversial 2000
election in Florida. He argues essentially that from the moment there
was a possibility of Supreme Court involvement in determining the
results of the election, the conservative Justices simply resolved to
do whatever was necessary to anoint George W. Bush president.
Bugliosi details the significant history of several Justices in the
Republican party. Clarence Thomas was a legislative assistant to
Republican Senator John Danforth, who sponsored his nomination to the
court. Justice O'Connor served three terms as a Republican member of
the Arizona legislature and was co-chair of the Arizona committee to
elect Richard Nixon president. Justice Kennedy was one of the highest-
paid lobbyists in California during the time Ronald Reagan was
governor, and worked actively to promote Reagan's anti-tax
initiative.
Special vitriol is reserved for Chief Justice Rehnquist, who,
Bugliosi points out, at Bush's inauguration was swearing in someone
he "made sure would be president," -- an historic, if dubious, first.
http://www.thedubyareport.com/betrayal.html

The `Accidental President' Exclusive excerpt: The vote in Bush v.
Gore was arrived at in secret conference. But this one determined who
would be president. We didn't know just how close it was-until now.
NEWSWEEK's David A. Kaplan goes behind the scenes
http://www.msnbc.com/news/626045.asp

2. A petition to the World Court about our country being stolen from
us and our right to vote neutralized. sign it.
To: Thomas Buergenthal
The Honorable Thomas Buergenthal
International Court of Justice
The Hague, Netherlands
http://www.petitiononline.com/1074/petition.html

3.Author links Bush family to Nazis
Sarasota Herald-Tribune 11/11/2000

STAFF REPORT
The president of the Florida Holocaust Museum said Saturday that
George W. Bush's grandfather derived a portion of his personal
fortune through his affiliation with a Nazi-controlled bank.
John Loftus, a former prosecutor in the Justice Department's Nazi War
Crimes Unit, said his research found that Bush's grandfather,
Prescott Bush, was a principal in the Union Banking Corp. in
Manhattan in the late 1930s and the 1940s.
Leading Nazi industrialists secretly owned the bank at that time,
Loftus said, and were moving money into it through a second bank in
Holland even after the United States declared war on Germany. The
bank was liquidated in 1951, Loftus said, and Bush's grandfather and
great-grandfather received $1.5 million from the bank as part of that
dissolution.
"That's where the Bush family fortune came from: It came from the
Third Reich," Loftus said.
http://www.newscoast.com/archive.cfm

Bush-CIA-Nazi connection
makes the mainstream media
by Robert Lederman
(718) 743-3722
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[Might cut into the agency's undeclared income.
But the Company needn't worry, the U.S. Congress - 434
out of 435 House members and 100 out of 100 senators -
will sign a blank check to combat political opposition
- that is, terrorism - at home and overseas.
But their narcotics-dealing clients, from Indochina to
Afghanistan, Colombia to the Balkans, might feel the
pinch and then it will be time for the U.S.'s people's
representatives to steal billions more from their
subjects to fund 'anti-biological warfare,' etc.
initiatives.]


European Officials Fear Cheap Opium
By Paul Geitner
Associated Press Writer
Wednesday, Oct. 3, 2001; 2:51 p.m. EDT
BRUSSELS, Belgium ? Officials fear that Afghan opium
traders are flooding the markets in order to make
quick money ahead of a feared U.S. retaliatory strike
on the country harboring Osama bin Laden.
The sell-off following the Sept. 11 terror attacks has
partly led to a sharp decrease in the price of opium
in Afghanistan, the world's leading supplier. But
lower prices have yet to be felt on the streets of
Europe, where most of the opium ends up, law
enforcement officials say.
Production of opium ?a derivative of poppies and the
raw material for heroin ?has been an important source
of revenue for Afghanistan's ruling Taliban, which has
earned tens of millions of dollars by taxing poppy
farmers and traffickers.
Last year, the Taliban imposed a ban on poppy growing,
an industry the hardline rulers deemed "unIslamic."
But the ban applied only to cultivation and officials
believe drug trading continues from a stockpile
estimated at 2,900 tons ?more than the country would
supply over one year.
In a speech Tuesday, British Prime Minister Tony Blair
accused the Taliban of controlling "the biggest drugs
hoard in the world." In Britain, it accounts for 90
percent of the heroin sold, according to government
figures.
"The arms the Taliban are buying today are paid for
with the lives of young British people buying their
drugs on British streets," Blair said. "That is
another part of their regime that we should seek to
destroy."
Since the terror attacks, opium prices in Afghanistan
have plummeted 80 percent, a development experts say
is partly due to the quick selling.
"One could say that farmers trying to flee and people
who have the stocks are trying to make some cash and
go to a safe place," said Mohammad Amirkhizi, senior
policy adviser at the U.N. Office for Drug Control and
Crime Prevention in Vienna, Austria.
U.S. officials said bin Laden's al-Qaida network
benefits indirectly from the Taliban's involvement in
trafficking and could develop closer links with the
drug trade.
"Whenever you have a terrorist organization that has
to have sources of money and they are geographically
alongside drug organizations that produce money, then
there's obviously the potential for a stronger
connection between the two," Asa Hutchinson, head of
the Drug Enforcement Administration, told the House
Government Reform subcommittee on criminal justice,
drug policy and human resources.
Amirkhizi said his agency was not mandated to
determine who controls the stocks but, he added,
"there have been these linkages between the Taliban
and production because of their tax system."
The U.N. drug control agency chief, Pino Arlacchi,
said last week that the supplies probably were in the
hands of "criminal groups who are as powerful as the
Taliban and as powerful as anyone else in
Afghanistan."
The 2000 opium crop sold before the ban on new
cultivation at $30 per kilogram meant roughly $100
million for farmers. The Taliban collect 10 percent
tax from farmers ?no matter what the crop ?and 20
percent from traders.
The ban on cultivation in July 2000 sent the price
soaring to a peak of $700 last March pushing the
Taliban's take even higher.
But U.S. officials say the ban has had little effect
on trafficking because the Taliban hasn't eliminated
massive opium stockpiles from previous years.
Subcommittee chairman Mark Souder, R-Ind., called the
ban "a coldly calculated ploy to control the world
market price for their opium and heroin."
Bernard Frahi, the U.N. agency's regional
representative in Pakistan said that since the terror
attacks the price has fallen back down to $120 a kilo.

Some of that drop can be attributed to a rush of
people selling "whatever they have to get cash before
a military attack," Frahi said. Other factors pushing
down prices include border-tightening around
Afghanistan since the attacks.
In London this week, Blair's office said Afghan
trad

Re: [CTRL] BuzzFlash: Shame on You Trent Lott


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Subj:BUZZFLASH SAYS "SHAME ON YOU TRENT LOTT!" THE NATION COMES FIRST
Date:   10/4/01 9:19:37 PM Central Daylight Time

http://www.rollcall.com/pages/news/00/2001/10/news1004a.html

In a Time of National Crisis, Trent Lott Holds Appropriations Bills Hostage
in Order to Advance the Nomination of Bush's Federalist Society Style Judges.
Shame on You Trent!

FROM ROLLCALL.COM

October 04, 2001

Lott's Push for Judges Imperils Partisan Truce


By Paul Kane


Revisiting a pre-Sept. 11 strategy, Senate Republicans plan to block and
delay the appropriations process until they get solid guarantees that the
Democratic majority will begin to confirm more judicial nominees.
Senate GOP leaders acknowledge this tactic may slow the appropriations
process during a period of otherwise unprecedented bipartisanship, but
contend that they have no other means of forcing Democrats to confirm more
Bush administration judicial nominees. The move appears to have at least the
tacit blessing of the White House.

"If they don't approve a significant number of them, it's going to be hard to
get those appropriations bills moving," said Senate Minority Leader Trent
Lott (R-Miss.). "I'm going to assume that they are going to move them, so we
won't have to resort to any extraordinary measures. If they don't, we will
have to."

Democrats contend Lott's approach is unreasonable, considering that Senate
Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) has focused almost
entirely on anti-terrorism legislation since terrorists crashed airplanes
into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

"We're doing the best we can on nominations," said Majority Whip Harry Reid
(D-Nev.). "It's not as if Senator Leahy hasn't been busy."

Reid, who has been a key player in negotiating with Republicans on
nominations, said Senate Democrats have gone out of their way to quickly
approve "scores" of President Bush's nominees to key security-related posts
since the attacks.

Noting that Leahy was holding a hearing today on five more judicial nominees,
aides to the Judiciary chairman and Senate Majority Leader Thomas Daschle
(D-S.D.) said the process is clearly moving forward again.

Any delays in approving the 13 appropriations bills would only hinder
Congress' ability to meet the Oct. 16 deadline for the expiration of the
current continuing resolution funding the federal government and jeopardize
the goal for a late October adjournment, Daschle warned Wednesday. "We have
13 bills to go and 13 days to do them."

Republicans claim that while Democrats have helped move many key agency
nominees in the weeks since the attacks, they have been slow to act on
individuals nominated to the bench. Moreover, in the wake of the attacks and
the new anti-terrorism laws likely to be passed in the coming weeks, Senate
Republicans believe they have gained political leverage in forcing Democrats
to quickly move more judges.

With 107 vacancies on the federal bench, Lott and Republicans are confident
they can make the argument that new investigative powers to intercede against
potential terrorists will be weakened because there won't be enough federal
judges to approve warrants to execute searches.

"If we don't have the third branch of government staffed, we're all in
trouble," said Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), ranking member of Judiciary.

In the weeks after Democrats assumed the majority in the summer, Republicans
employed a similar strategy of blocking Daschle and Reid's attempts to move
to appropriations until they allowed votes on agency nominations, a strategy
GOP aides believe resulted in the confirmation of dozens of agency
appointees.

Shortly after Labor Day, Republicans signaled they were ready to adopt the
same tactic in an effort to secure more confirmations of judicial nominees,
who they felt were being stonewalled in Judiciary because of their
conservative leanings.

However, Sept. 11 ushered in what some consider a remarkable run of comity
that has helped pave the way for almost unanimous passage of several bills
aimed at dealing with the crisis.

This week, though, Lott decided to return to the confrontational approach to
nominees, and a Bush official said the White House "appreciates" the
strategy. Bush, however, is not expected to have a high profile on the issue.

Aides and Senators say the decision to go forward with the strategy rests
almost entirely with Lott, who is not expected to rely on deputies such as
Sen. Larry Craig (R-Idaho) and Sen. Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.) to make the objections
to Daschle's attempts to bring up appropriations.

Asked where the decisions were coming from, Craig said, "From the top - above
my pay grade."

Some Republicans have their doubts about the strategy.

Sen. Ted Stevens (R-Alaska), ranking member on Appropriations, said he agreed
with GOP leaders that there has been a "severe delay" in getting judicial
nominations approved, but questioned the amount of political pressure that
could be applied to Judiciary memb

Re: [CTRL] About the Bin Laden Family


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http://cgi.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/binladen/who/family.html

Frontline:
About the Bin Laden Family

Excerpted from a report dealing with prominent Saudi families of Yemeni
origin. Although FRONTLINE cannot vouch for the accuracy of this report, it
does come from French intelligence sources.

excerpts:

"There was also a political aspect to Salem bin Laden's financial activities.
Like Ali Ben Moussalem, Salem bin Laden played a role in the US operations in
the Middle East and Central America during the '80s."
---

"The group is extremely discreet with regard to its financial activities,
contracts and projects. On the one hand, the group is a family business and
does not have to account to anyone; on the other, its ties with the royal
family increase its aura of mystery. Its main contracts are not decided at
the industrial or economic level, are not run through the Saudi bureaucracy,
but instead emanate directly from discussions held with the seraglio of power.

A discrete link thus exists between the bin Laden group, the royal family and
the Chamberlain, Ali Ben Mousalem, a link about noone wishes to speak."
---

"Baudoin Dunant, one of French-speaking Switzerland's leading lawyers, is on
the boards of over twenty companies in Geneva, Fribourg, Morges, Nyons, etc.
He received international publicity in 1983, when he represented Swiss banker
Francois Genoud. Genoud, an admirer of Hitler and heir to the rights to
Geobbels' writings, had helped finance the FLN during the Algerian Ward and
was on trial for participation in international terrorism."
---

"During the `80s, the board of directors also included members of the Swiss
Wyss family, a branch of which controls the Holderbank Company, which has
just signed a $100 million contract with Qatar National Cement. Also on the
board were members of the Shakarshi family, whose name is linked to a
money-laundering scandal and drug trafficking in Zurich. A Shakarshi family
member was also a director of the SICO London branch.

As a result of these scandals and bent on avoiding any publicity, the bin
Ladens decided that it was necessary to break publicly with the Shakarshis.
In actual fact, the Shakarshis were never overly troubled and it appears that
the Zurich company was just another CIA front used to finance the Afghan
resistance.

The tie between Yeslam bin Laden and the Shakarshi family would thus seem
quite consistent with both family and royal policy. Our information tells us
that Yeslam bin Laden continues to maintain relations as usual with the
Shakarshi group.

One might also note that the chairman of board of the Zurich Shakarshi
company was Dr. Hans Kopp. Kopp is an important lawyer (his wife was then
Justice Minister, since resigned) known for his international activities,
particularly with the American [intelligence?] services (since the `60s), and
is close to the Swiss defense industry (Oerlikon-Buhrle/Contraves)."
---

"At most, it might be said that the activities of Salem bin Laden in the
context of Irangate and Contragate, or of Yeslam bin Laden within his
association with the Shakarshi family, have placed the family at the center
of these negotiations, but solely as a guarantor or as a representative of
the interests of the royal family. The real contracts have been signed
directly by members of the royal family: Prince Mohammed Ben Fahd or Prince
Saud Ben Nayef."
--
Samantha

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[CTRL] (Fwd) LP RELEASE: Tennessee bus hijacking

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Tennessee bus hijacking shows need
for 50-state concealed-carry gun laws

WASHINGTON, DC -- In the wake of the Tennessee bus hijacking
yesterday
that left six people dead, every state should immediately pass
Vermont-
style concealed-carry gun laws so Americans can defend
themselves
against terrorists or deranged murderers, the Libertarian Party said
today.

"Let's put the Second Amendment to work to protect Americans,"
said the
party's national director, Steve Dasbach. "The best defense against
hijackers -- or run-of-the-mill copycat madmen -- is to give every
American the legal right to own a gun and carry it everywhere."

Early Wednesday, a Croatian man used a box cutter to slash the
throat
of a Greyhound bus driver just outside Manchester, Tennessee.

The man then grabbed the steering wheel and attempted to drive
the bus
into oncoming traffic. The bus tipped over, killing at least six people
including the hijacker, and injuring 34 others.

Greyhound temporarily suspended bus service following the attack,
but
the U.S. Justice Department said the hijacking was probably not
related
to the September 11 terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center
and the
Pentagon. Police speculated that the hijacker was a mentally
unbalanced
copycat criminal.

Whatever the man's motivation, the attack points out that no form
of
transportation is safe from potential attack, said Dasbach -- which
is
why every law-abiding American needs the right to carry a
concealed
weapon.

"After terrorists hijacked four airliners on September 11, the
consensus was that greater airport security could stymie such
attacks,"
he said. "That may be true, but a similar solution won't protect
Americans who use buses, trains, taxicabs, or other forms of travel.
There are simply too many modes of public transportation.

"The only way to keep Americans safe is to decentralize protection:
Give every law-abiding citizen the right to carry a weapon at all
times.

"No, that won't stop every attempted hijacking -- and may not even
have
stopped the tragedy in Tennessee -- but criminals and terrorists will
be far less likely to attack if they know they'll be staring down the
business end of a dozen American guns."

Currently, 31 states have "shall-issue" concealed-carry laws, which
require the state government to issue a gun permit to any resident
who
is not disqualified by a felony conviction, mental illness, or similar
objection.

Tennessee has a "shall-issue" law, but its permit is reciprocally
honored in only 12 other states, and Tennessee honors only nine
other
states' permits.

That's a problem, said Dasbach, because the bus that was hijacked
in
Tennessee originated in Chicago, Illinois and was heading for
Atlanta,
Georgia. Only one of those states (Georgia) had a reciprocal
permit
agreement with Tennessee -- making it impossible for passengers
to
legally carry a weapon for the duration of the trip.

"America needs 50-state reciprocity," he said. "A gun permit valid in
one state should be equally valid in all 50 states. That's the only
way
to protect people on interstate trips."

To make that protection as easy as possible to acquire, every state
should pass gun permit legislation modeled after Vermont's gun
law,
said Dasbach.

In Vermont, any citizen can carry a firearm without getting a permit,
without paying a fee, and without any government-mandated
waiting
period.

Despite the ease with which people can acquire guns -- or perhaps
because of it -- Vermont enjoys the 49th lowest crime rate in
America,
noted Dasbach.

"The conventional wisdom is that more guns equal more crime," he
said.
"But Vermont is stark proof that more guns, and easier access to
guns,
are the best possible deterrent to crime."

However, evidence of the "More Guns/Less Crime" principle
extends
beyond Vermont, said Dasbach.

In October 2000, the FBI released a report showing that gunshot
wounds
inflicted during crimes decreased by 40% from 1992 and 1997 --
falling
from 64,100 to 39,400 nationwide.

During the same five years, the number of guns in America
increased by
12% -- surging from 205 million to 230 million, according to the
National Association of Federally Licensed Firearms Dealers.

Also, according to a study by John Lott and Davi

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Did the President of Odigo really deny any such thing? Hmmm
Well, Micha Macover, identified by Ha'aretz as the CEO of Odigo
told this Israeli newspaper a different story when they asked him


source - Ha'aretz - October 02, 2001

http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?
itemNo=77744&contrassID=

Odigo says workers were warned of attack

By Yuval Dror

Odigo, the instant messaging service, says that two of its workers
received messages two hours before the Twin Towers attack on
September 11 predicting the attack would happen, and the company has
been cooperating with Israeli and American law enforcement, including
the FBI, in trying to find the original sender of the message
predicting the attack.

Micha Macover, CEO of the company, said the two workers received the
messages and immediately after the terror attack informed the
company's management, which immediately contacted the Israeli
security services, which brought in the FBI.

"I have no idea why the message was sent to these two workers, who
don't know the sender. It may just have been someone who was joking
and turned out they accidentally got it right. And I don't know if
our information was useful in any of the arrests the FBI has made,"
said Macover. Odigo is a U.S.-based company whose headquarters are in
New York, with offices in Herzliya.

As an instant messaging service, Odigo users are not limited to
sending messages only to people on their "buddy" list, as is the case
with ICQ, the other well-known Israeli instant messaging application.

Odigo usually zealously protects the privacy of its registered users,
said Macover, but in this case the company took the initiative to
provide the law enforcement services with the originating Internet
Presence address of the message, so the FBI could track down the
Internet Service Provider, and the actual sender of the original
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Re: [CTRL] Missing tanker truck spurs search, alert to Terrorism Task Force


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http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/america_under_attack/article/0,1299,DRMN

_664_838033,00.html

Missing tanker truck spurs search, alert to Terrorism Task Force

By Brian D. Crecente, News Staff Writer

Sheriffs' deputies are scouring Arapahoe County in search of a missing tanker
truck capable of spraying 5,000 gallons of liquid along city streets,
officials said Tuesday.
Deputies also alerted the FBI's Joint Terrorism Task Force about the missing
tanker because of its potential for misuse by terrorists, said Arapahoe
County Undersheriff Grayson Robinson.

"Although we don't have any reason to believe this is why it was stolen,
there is a potential use for this vehicle as a means of attack," he said.

The tanker, which is equipped with spray nozzles typically used to wet down
dirt roads, disappeared sometime between Friday evening and Monday morning
from a construction site at 22098 E. Dorado Ave., Robinson said.

Robinson said the truck, which is a bit larger than a commercial dump truck,
was not locked up behind a fence because it is so large and is more difficult
to drive than a typical vehicle.

He said the Sheriff's Department put out a description of the large yellow
tanker with the words "Fiore and Sons" printed on its side and intially
assigned eight deputies to search for it.

"We are devoting more effort to this search because of the potential," he
said.

Anyone who knows anything about the theft should call the Arapahoe County
Sheriff's Department, (303) 795-4711.

October 3, 2001

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Re: [CTRL] Florida Man has Anthrax - FOX News


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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,35779,00.html

Man Hospitalized in Palm Beach County With Anthrax
Thursday, October 04, 2001

TALLAHASSEE, Fla.  â A 63-year-old Florida man lay near death Thursday with
an extremely rare and lethal form of anthrax that could be a weapon in the
hands of terrorists. U.S. officials said there was no evidence of terrorism
but promised "a very intense investigation."

"There's no need for people to fear they are at risk," said Dr. Jeffrey P.
Koplan, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in
Atlanta. He and others emphasized that the disease is not contagious and that
there is no evidence yet of other people infected.

But he said a deliberate release of the germ by terrorists is one of several
possibilities under investigation. "We have that on the list," he said.

Bob Stevens, photo editor of the supermarket tabloid The Sun, was
hospitalized Tuesday with what was diagnosed as inhalation anthrax and was
reported to be gravely ill. The Lantana, Fla., man's identity was released by
the tabloid's publishing company.

Anthrax has been developed by some countries as a possible biological weapon.
But the disease can be contracted naturally, often from livestock or soil.
Officials said the Florida man is an avid outdoorsman.

The most recent previous U.S. case of anthrax was earlier this year in Texas.
But that was the more common skin form, not inhalation anthrax, an especially
lethal form in which the disease settles in the lungs.

"We will develop a very intense investigation of this case," Koplan said. "We
are in a period of heightened risk and concern in this country. It's our
responsibility to make sure people know what is going on and we control it as
quickly as possible."

CDC investigators were dispatched to both Florida and North Carolina, since
Stevens was said to have visited Duke University in Durham, N.C., about a
week ago. The FBI is also investigating.

"We will be checking on a day-by-day basis where he was, what he did, where
he stayed, and looking for risks," Koplan said.

But the CDC already has canvassed hospitals and health departments in those
states and found no one else with similar symptoms, the CDC chief said.

"There's no person-to-person spread of this disease. Individuals in contact
with this sick person wouldn't have caught it from him," Koplan said. "There
is no evidence of other cases within the communities this gentleman has been
in."

Symptoms of inhalation anthrax typically start within seven days of breathing
in the bacterial spores. Dr. Steve Wiersma, a Florida Health Department
epidemiologist, said authorities are certain the man contracted the disease
in Florida.

Koplan said the patient has no digestive ills that would indicate the anthrax
came from drinking contaminated water, and no skin symptoms from direct
contact with the germ. But as for the possibility that he got anthrax from
deliberately contaminated air, Koplan said: "We are aggressively
investigating this case."

At a news conference at the White House, U.S. Health and Human Services
Secretary Tommy Thompson declared: "This is an isolated case and it's not
contagious." He, too, said there was no evidence the case resulted from
bioterrorism.

Fears that terrorists may have been planning an airborne chemical or
biological attack were raised last month when it learned that a group of
Middle Eastern men -- including one of the hijackers in the attack on the
World Trade Center -- had been asking a lot of questions about a crop-duster
at an airfield in Belle Glade, which is about 40 miles inland from Lantana.

Because of those fears, the government grounded all crop-dusters across the
country for a few days after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

The men who visited the airfield had asked employees of a fertilizer company
about the range of the airplane, how much it could haul in chemicals, how
difficult it was to fly and how much fuel it could carry.

During the 20th century, only 18 cases of inhaled anthrax were reported in
the United States, the most recent in 1976.

In North Carolina, Debbie Crane, spokeswoman for the state Department of
Health and Human Service, said: "Anthrax occurred before Sept. 11. And it
will occur in the future. The presence of a case of anthrax does not
necessarily mean that some evildoer has done something horrible."

Koplan said the disease may actually be more common but goes undetected. The
latest case may have come to health officials' attention only because of
heightened concern about its use as a possible weapon of mass destruction, he
said.

"What might have been tossed off as an undetermined bacterium was sent on to
a state lab, where people recently received training in detecting anthrax,"
he said. "It is a possible answer, which is an improved detection system."

Anthrax causes pneumonia, and patients are treated with antibiotics. There is
also a vaccine to prevent the spread of the disease, but it is availab

Re: [CTRL] The Dismantling of America - Phoney War in Afghanistan


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http://www.brojon.com/frontpage/bj091701.html

THE DISMANTLING OF AMERICA
The Phoney War in Afghanistan

the bottom line .

 The current "war" on Afghanistani terrorism is a misdirection and a
hoax. As pointed out in the book "Black Gold Hot Gold" the oil expected to
flow from the vast oilfields under the Russian Caspian Sea, discovered about
20 years ago remains undrilled and untapped. That field contains about 500
years worth of oil at present world consumption rates.

 The only possible oil pipeline routes at the present time to handle the
massive flow of oil from the Caspian Sea region under Chenya is either
through Kosovo to the Mediterranean Sea, or through Afghanistan and Pakistan
to the Indian Ocean. Two years ago, the Clinton administration attempted to
place Kosovo under international control and begin pipeline construction, but
was unable to complete the process.

 The normal oil route would have been to move oil from Chenya, across the
Black Sea and through the Bosporus to the Mediterranean. But the narrow
Bosporus channel is already clogged with oil tankers from the existing Black
Sea oilfields. The only alternate is to move the tankers from the Black Sea,
bypassing the Bosporus, up the Danube River and then through a very short
pipeline across Kosovo to the Mediterranean at Tirana, Albania. That process
was stopped by the Chinese who have supplied and armed the Albanians, as a
client state, since 1949.

 Following the Soviet discovery of the vast Chechen oilfields in the late
1970's, they attempted to take control of Afghanistan to provide a massive
pipeline system to allow the Soviets to market their oil directly from the
Afghan-Pakistan seaport. This resulted in the decades long Soviet-Afghan war.
The Soviets were stopped by the U.S. supplied and armed insurgent groups,
including Osama bin Laden, who defeated the Soviets in the late 1980's.

 The Soviets had massively built up their military in the 1980's,
including the world's largest nuclear submarine fleet, gambling on the huge
profits to be made by selling their Chechen oil on the open market. When the
Afghans under bin Laden, backed by the U.S. CIA stopped the construction of
the Soviet-Afghan pipeline, the Soviet Union went through an economic
collapse and ceased to exist in 1991.

 The vast Chechen oilfield still remains fallow and untapped. As
identified in "Black Gold Hot Gold," the Empire of Energy is now making a new
attempt to market the Chechen oil by carpet bombing Afghanistan and building
the Afghan pipeline.

 George W. Bush's statement about declaring war on "terrorism" is
obviously hollow and sallow. It strangely does not include the terrorists in
Northern Ireland, nor even the terrorist suicide bombers among the
Palestinians. Instead it makes an instant leap of logic to aim the U.S.
military directly at Afghanistan.

 The terrain in northern Afghanistan is the arid rugged foothills of the
Himalayas known as the Hindu Kush and is defended by the large fierce tribal
armies of the Northern Alliance who are excellent guerilla fighters with
years of experience fighting Soviets, now backed by the Chinese, and not
connected with the main Taliban government in Kabul. The Soviets spent over
10 years at great expense to attack and "carpet bomb" Afghanistan, but they
found fortress Himalaya is impenetrable. The result was tremendous loss of
Soviet lives and the economic collapse of the Soviet Union.

 George Bush is now leading the United States down that same road. The
Empire of Energy has for almost 100 years had as its goal the dismantling of
the United States of America and amalgamating it into one large global energy
market. They have found in George Bush a willing partner. Any war in
Afghanistan would pit the U.S. against the Chinese who just last week, on the
day of the Word Trade Center attack, signed a mutual pact with the Afghans.

 In the last 50 years the U.S, has fought numerous wars against the
Chinese, as in Korea, Vietnam and elsewhere. In those wars the result was
always a draw with massive loss of life. Even high tech "smart" weapons in
Kosovo were unable to defeat the Chinese. In the upcoming Afghan war with the
Chinese, the U.S. will lose by simple attrition. Neither smart bombs nor
nuclear bombs work against hidden terrorists or against fortress Himalaya.
There are more Chinese soldiers in uniform than the whole populaton of the
U.S.

 Numerous recent news stories indicate the attack on the World Trade
Center was known to the CIA and FBI weeks before the attack. Seemingly
nothing was done. As for America, its panzers ran out of gas with the
"strange" fraudulent election of November 2000. Both G.W. Bush and Al Gore
were backed by the Empire of Energy, so it didn't matter for whom you voted.
Americans have been anesthetized and put to sleep by their lack of knowledge
of world history, as America disintegrates.

-- Marshall Smith
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[CTRL] Farwelll Brain Fingerprinting

http://www.brainwavescience.com/OnePageSummary004.htm

Brain Wave Science
Human Brain Research Laboratory, Inc.

P. O. Box 176, Fairfield, IA 52556 Phone (515) 469-5649 Fax (208) 692-5884 or 515-469-6639

Lawrence A. Farwell, PhD
President and Chief Scientist Former Faculty Member
Harvard Medical School

Executive Summary:
Farwell Brain Fingerprinting

Dr. Lawrence A. Farwell has invented, developed, proven, and patented the technique of Farwell Brain Fingerprinting, a new computer-based technology to identify the perpetrator of a crime accurately and scientifically by measuring brain-wave responses to crime-relevant words or pictures presented on a computer screen. Farwell Brain Fingerprinting has proven 100% accurate in over 100 tests, including tests on FBI agents and tests for a US intelligence agency and for the US Navy. Dr. Farwell recently presented Brain Fingerprinting in court in defence of a man falsely convicted of murder.

Brain Fingerprinting has been featured on CBS 60 Minutes, CBS Evening News, ABC World News, CNN Headline News, and the Discovery Channel, in U.S. News and World Report, the New York Times, and in print and electronic media throughout the world.

Dr. Farwell recently presented Brain Fingerprinting in court for the first time in the case of Terry Harrington. Harrington, 41, has spent over half of his life in prison for murder. Now, 23 years after the crime, Brain Fingerprinting has allowed scientists to determine the truth regarding the crime. A Brain Fingerprinting test conducted by Dr. Farwell has shown that the record of the night of the crime stored in Harrington's brain does not match the crime scene, and does match his alibi.

Brain Fingerprinting correctly identified serial killer J. B. Grinder as the perpetrator of the rape and murder of Julie Helton in Macon, MO, after which Grinder pleaded guilty and was sentenced to life in prison.

On November 14, 2000 Dr. Farwell presented the Brain Fingerprinting results in a court hearing in Council Bluffs, Iowa. "Scientifically, we can conclude with a 99.99% confidence that the critical details of the crime are not stored in Harrington's brain," said Dr. Farwell. "This is like finding that Harrington's fingerprints or DNA do not match the fingerprints or DNA found at the crime scene."

Dr. Farwell used Brain Fingerprinting to test Harrington's brain for the presence or absence of information about the crime. He measured Harrington's brain-wave responses to words and phrases flashed on a computer screen that were relevant to the murder -- details that the perpetrator must have encountered in committing the crime. Farwell's computer determined that the critical information about the crime was not stored in Harrington's brain.

When Dr. Farwell confronted Kevin Hughes, the only alleged witness to the crime with the Brain Fingerprinting results, Hughes admitted that the story he told at Harrington's trial was a fabrication that he made up to avoid being prosecuted for the murder himself. He recanted his testimony in a sworn deposition.

Brain Fingerprinting is based on the principle that the brain is central to all human acts. In a criminal act, there may or may not be many kinds of peripheral evidence, but the brain is always there, planning, executing, and recording the crime. The fundamental difference between a perpetrator and a falsely accused, innocent person is that the perpetrator, having committed the crime, has the details of the crime stored in his brain, and the innocent suspect does not. This is what Brain Fingerprinting detects scientifically.

Brain Fingerprinting works as follows. Words or pictures relevant to a crime are flashed on a computer screen, along with other, irrelevant words or pictures. Electrical brain responses are measured non-invasively through a patented headband equipped with sensors. A specific brain-wave response called a MERMER (memory and encoding related multifaceted electroencephalographic response) is elicited when the brain processes noteworthy information it recognizes. (The MERMER contains another, well known and scientifically established brain response known as a P300.)

When details of the crime that only the perpetrator would know are presented, a MERMER is emitted by the brain of a perpetrator, but not by the brain of an innocent suspect. In Farwell Brain Fingerprinting, a computer analyzes the brain response to detect the MERMER, and thus determines scientifically whether or not the specific crime-relevant information is stored in the brain of the suspect.

Brain Fingerprinting has proven 100% accurate in previous applications and research, including research conducted by Dr. Farwell for US government agencies and the US Navy. In collaboration with Dr. Drew Richardson of the FBI Laboratory, Dr. Farwell used Brain Fingerprinting to detect wi

[CTRL] Bush Family's Dirty Little Secret

http://www.americanfreedomnews.com/afn_articles/bushsecrets.htm



Bush family’s dirty little secret:
President’s oil companies funded by Bin Laden family and wealthy Saudis who financed Osama bin Laden  

By Rick Wiles
Copyright: American Freedom News
September 2001 

President Bush recently signed an executive order to freeze the US financial assets of corporations doing business with Osama bin Laden. He described the order as a "strike on the financial foundation of the global terror network.” 

"If you do business with terrorists, if you support or succor them, you will not do business with the United States," said President Bush. 

He didn’t say anything about doing business with a terrorist’s brother – or his wealthy financier.  

When President George W. Bush froze assets connected to Osama bin Laden, he didn’t tell the American people that the terrorist mastermind’s late brother was an investor in the president’s former oil business in Texas.  He also hasn’t leveled with the American public about his financial connections to a host of shady Saudi characters involved in drug cartels, gun smuggling, and  terrorist networks. 

Doing business with the enemy is nothing new to the Bush family.  Much of the Bush family wealth came from supplying needed raw materials and credit to Adolf Hitler’s Third Reich.  Several business operations managed by Prescott Bush – the president’s grandfather - were seized by the US government during World War II under the Trading with the Enemy Act. 

On October 20, 1942, the federal government seized the Union Banking Corporation in New York City as a front operation for the Nazis.  Prescott Bush was a director.  Bush, E. Roland Harriman, two Bush associates, and three Nazi executives owned the bank’s shares.  Eight days later, the Roosevelt administration seized two other corporations managed by Prescott Bush.  The Holland-American Trading Corporation and the Seamless Steel Equipment Corporation, both managed by the Bush-Harriman bank, were accused by the US federal government of being front organizations for Hitler’s Third Reich.  Again, on November 8, 1942, the federal government seized Nazi-controlled assets of Silesian-American Corporation, another Bush-Harriman company doing business with Hitler.    

Doing business with the bin Laden empire, therefore, is only the latest extension of the Bush family’s financial ties to unsavory individuals and organizations.  Now that thousands of American citizens have died in terrorist attacks and the nation is going to war, the American people should know about George W. Bush’s relationship with the family of Osama bin Laden. 

Salem bin Laden, Osama’s older brother, was an investor in Arbusto Energy. – the Texas oil company started by George W. Bush.  Arbusto means “Bush” in Spanish.  Salem bin Laden died in an airplane crash in Texas in 1988.  

Sheik Mohammed bin Laden, the family patriarch and founder of its construction empire, also died in a plane crash.  Upon his death in 1968, he left behind 57 sons and daughters – the offspring he sired with 12 wives in Saudi Arabia, Syria, Lebanon, and Jordan.  About a dozen brothers manage Bin Laden Brothers Construction – one of the largest construction firms in the Middle East.  

Fresh out of Harvard Business School, young George W. Bush returned to Midland, TX, in the late 1970s to follow his father’s footsteps in the oil business.  Beginning in 1978, he set up a series of limited partnerships – Arbusto ’78, Arbusto ’79, and so on – to drill for oil.  

One of President Bush’s earliest financial backers was James Bath, a Houston aircraft broker.  Bath served with President Bush in the Texas Air National Guard.  Bath has a mysterious connection to the Central Intelligence Agency.   

According to a 1976 trust agreement, Salem bin Laden appointed James Bath as his business representative in Houston.   Revelation about Bath’s relationship with the bin Laden financial empire and the CIA was made public in 1992 by Bill White, a former real estate business partner with Bath. White informed federal investigators in 1992 that Bath told him that he had assisted the CIA in a liaison role since 1976 – the same year former President George Herbert Walker Bush served as director of the CIA.   

During a bitter legal fight between White and Bath, the real estate partner disclosed that Bath managed a portfolio worth millions of dollars for Sheik Khalid bin Mahfouz and other wealthy Saudis.  Among the investments made by Bath with Mahfouz’s money was the Houston Gulf Airport. 

A powerful banker in Saudi Arabia, Mahfouz was one of the largest stockholders in the Bank of Credit and Commerce International.  BCCI was a corrupt global banking empire operating in 73 nations and was a major financial and political force in Washington, Paris, Geneva, London, and Hong Kong.  Despite the appearance of a normal banking operation, BCCI was actually an international crime syndicate providing “banking services

[CTRL] (GWEN) Ground-Wave Emergency System

http://educate-yourself.org/gwentowersbybyronweeks.html

The Ground-Wave Emergency
Network (GWEN) System

{Editor's Note: GWEN towers are popping up everywhere in America; rural, hilltops, mountain areas, suburbs, and cities. The cover story is that they're supposed to be used for cell phone communications, but as this article reveals, Big Brother has something far more insidious in mind. ..Ken Adachi]

By Byron Weeks

The Ground-Wave Emergency Network (GWEN) is a communications system that the military is in the process of constructing as we speak. It operates in the very-low-frequency (VLF) range, with transmissions between 150 and 175 kHz. This range was selected because its signals travel by means of waves that have a tendency to hug the ground rather than by radiating into the atmosphere. This signal drops off sharply with distance - a single GWEN stations transmits in a 360 circle to a distance of 250 to 300 miles. The entire GWEN system consists of approximately 300 such stations spread across the United States, each with a tower 300-500 feet high. The stations are from 200 to 250 miles apart, so that a signal can go from coast to coast from one station to another. When the system is completed around 1993, the entire civilian population of the United States will be exposed to the GWEN Transmissions. Read Appendix 4 and then re-read this section.
I. APPLICATION OF MILITARY FREQUENCY WEAPONRY

According to a 1982 Air Force review of biotechnology, ELF has a number of
potential military uses, including "dealing with terrorist groups, crowd control, controlling breaches of security at military installations, and antipersonnel techniques in tactical warfare." The same report states:

"Electromagnetic systems would be used to produce mild to severe physiological
disruption or perceptual dis- tortion or disorientation. They are silent, and counter- measures to them may be difficult to develop."

Between 1980 and 1984 I was in England, and I got to see some illustrations of how
some of this technology actually works. During this period, there were a lot of protests, sit-ins and demonstrations by Greenpeace and many other groups against the deployment of Cruise missiles, especially at Greenham Common, which was south of where I was located. In 1983 and 1984 there was a very large presence of military police at the base when the Cruise missiles arrived. Around mid-1984 this presence diminished considerably, and some of the protesters who were outside the base started claiming that they were being irradiated from the base because of physical problems they were unable to link to any other source. This was reported in Electronics Todsy magazine in 1985. The symptoms ranged from skin burns to headaches, drowsiness, menstrual bleeding at abnormal times, bouts of temporary paralysis, faulty speech coordination, and in one case circulatory failure severe enough to require hospitalization. Such a complex series of symptoms fits well with severe EM field exposure. The Ministry Of Defence (MOD) denied that any harmful electromagnetic signal was being used against the women, but did not deny that an electromagnetic signal may be in use which, if below lOmW/cm2, would not, under UK guidelines, be officially acknowledged as harmful. In other words, they lied.

Cases of Deliberate Experimentation on Individuals for Military Purposes

In one study over 100 Washington and Oregon state prisoners (recall the discussion of Phase II drug testing in Chapter 5) between 1963 and 1971 had their testicles dosed with radiation to discover what doses would sterilize them. The project was funded by the Atomic Energy Commission at a cost of $1.5 million.

From 1945 to 1947, 18 hospital patients, one of them only five years old, were
injected with plutonium to measure how much the body would retain. The injections were represented as "experimental treatments" for the patients' illnesses. This appalling scheme was reviewed in the British Medical Journal in 1987, where it said that the "redeeming feature of the test was that the results were made available to other countries for their use."

II. ADVANCED MIND CONTROL APPLICATIONS

Cross-Referencing
By now you have acquired quite a bit of background knowledg e - it is knowledge that you will need to draw upon to properly understand and evaluate the information in this second section of Chapter 7.

The Psvchology Behind Mind Control and Psychic Warfare

Body identification gives rise to a host of sociological phenomena, the least of which is the mechanistic view that consciousness is a product of the brain, and secondarily that the mind is centered in the brain. Dr. Jose Delgado was one of the chief proponents of this viewpoint. Delgado was the author of the book "Physical Control of the Mind: Toward a Psychocivilized Society". For Delgado, the mind existed only in the brain; to postulate its existence as an independent entity was to him sheer

[CTRL] Wag The WTC Part 2

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WAG THE WTC II
THE BLOCKBUSTER
PART II OF EXPOSING THE WTC BOMB PLOT
by Fintan Dunne,
coEditor, PsyOpNews.com
Research Kathy McMahon
4th October 2001

What you will discover here will shatter any illusions you have about the reasons behind the World Trade Center attack. This 'Wag the WTC' blockbuster is making a pile of money for some.

FACT: The contractor whose people were the first on the WTC collapse scene --to cart away the rubble that remains-- is the same contractor who demolished and hauled away the shell of the bombed Oklahoma City Murrah building. The name of the contractor is Controlled Demolition! Their WTC cleanup contract is worth over $7 Billion. Are you getting the picture?

FACT: The expert widely reported as certain the WTC was demolished --who later changed his mind-- is a demolition explosives specialist from New Mexico Tech Institute. That's precisely where the people first on the Pentagon crash scene were trained. Tech was also a hot tip to get the contract for training the new Federal Air Marshals. Are you getting the picture?

FACT: Most of the World Trade Center changed hands in a $3.2 billion, 99-year lease deal that was concluded only seven weeks before the attack; with a sweetheart tax deal and new insurance covering buildings and rents -payable to new beneficiaries. Are you getting the picture?

TALL TALES OF
THE WAG MOVIE

Let's all hold on to our emotional hats. Let's stop reacting and stop overreacting.

We are MEANT to react in shock. The whole purpose of the audacious World Trade Center attack was to psych us out.

Does the WTC attack feel like a movie? It does? Well of course it does! It has been specifically written as a movie script. Are you getting the picture?

Having studied for years how Americans react in movie theaters, the game planners have decided we are now ready for movie spectaculars in real life.

You are witnessing a cathartic and intense psychological operation. It is designed to alter your perceptions and hence your politics. It's a classic PsyOp. Its a made-for-TV movie with all the cliché blockbuster elements.

It has mayhem, evil warlords and subtle hints of a military coup. It has terrorists who wrestle for control of Flight 93 with Die Hard have-a-go Bruce Willis clones.

It has final deranged exhortations from a terrorist leader. His last letter is found bundled with a "You Too Can Fly a Plane!" instruction manual and some autographed photos of the great enemy --the legendary Osama Bin Gadaffi Bin Saddam-Laden.

It has whispered good-byes: the departure of the American sailors for war, was portrayed in 'Titanic' style on network TV and in print media coverage.

It has poignant last moments: the raising of the flag on the pile of WTC rubble is a director's steal of the classic Iwo Jima flag scene from W.W.II. They have turned the scenes of this devastation in New York into a movie lot to construct a cultural iconography of war.

This entire sequence of: hijack; first plane; second plane; Pentagon ;WTC collapse; phone calls from the planes; copy of the Koran; more attempted hijackings; arrests; plucky passengers; etc., etc., has been scripted by a crew of cynical planners who could care less that REAL people died in the Twin Towers --not political extras on the international stage of military-industrial machinations.

The story even has the ultimate terror of imminent death in the 'reported' (but unheard by you or I) last words of an airline stewardess. "My God, my God, I see buildingswater!"

Well hold my emotional hat, but I don't see buildings or water. I see a barrage of flimsy plot-bolstering fabrications.

So does award-winning British journalist Robert Fisk -if you read between the lines of his doubts about the authenticity of Mohammed Atta's last letter. In the London Independent, 29 Sept 2001 he questions the "weird references in the note," as he wonders if there is "something more mysterious" going on.

Indeed. Down at the bottom of the Bargain Bin, in the pulp fiction section of the local charity shop, I can find dime-a-dozen trashy novels with plenty of "My God, My God..." dialogue.

But the REAL world of actual airline stewardess, has people are not cartoon dumb blondes. They KNOW what New York looks like from the air, and Duluth and Vancouver too. Duh!

But in this "WAG THE WTC II" movie script, nobody knows they are flying over a city for the last ten minutes. And nobody knows what New York looks like. And the stewardess can't tell when an aircraft is descending, so is totally surprised to see buildings and water. Totally.

She might have said something credible like: "Jesus Christ! We're gonna hit Manhattan."

But no. "I see buildings" (...and, wait for it...) ..pause.. "...water." Check out that pregnant pause is in every publication of the quote. Does that pause feel right to you? Not to me. The whole thing feels like a ham-fisted effort designed to make us believe certain things.

So let

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WAG THE WTC I
THE SPLIT SECOND ERROR
PART I OF EXPOSING THE WTC BOMB PLOT
by Fintan Dunne,
coEditor, PsyOpNews.com
Research Kathy McMahon
18 September 2001

The determined man at the controls of Flight 175 was now less than one minute from his own demise, and was in that state of heightened alertness that only approaching death can generate.

Ahead, as he hurtled across New York towards Manhattan Island, he could see the vast plume of smoke (1). His colleague in Flight 11, approaching from the opposite direction had already made an almost perfect impact on the North Tower of the World Trade Center.

On the far side of the tower, concealed from his view, was the gash (2) where the hijacked airliner had spread its fuel payload over several floors of the building. Just as the trainers had coached.

But the sight still managed to unnerve him. It was one thing practicing the approach for countless hours on a computer simulator, but this was real life -and no mistake could be made. The planners had insisted that the planes must strike the towers at a banked angle. Otherwise the fire would be confined to only a couple of floors and would not set the building comprehensively alight. Without perfect execution, the imperialists would only suffer minor casualties, he had been told.

What they never told him was that the aircraft impacts were only one half of the plan. One visible and psychologically terrorizing aspect would be provided by the suicidal aircraft. But the other half of the plan was unknown to the two pilots and their accomplices. Bombs had already been planted inside both towers.

They would be detonated after the planes had struck, to ensure the total destruction of the buildings and their evidentiary contents. The bombs inside the towers were strapped to radio-trigger detonators. Other plotters would be near the scene -monitoring TV coverage to determine the right moment to push the final buttons. The full PsyOps (psychological-warfare) effect would be the complete disappearance of these two symbols of US confidence and power.

But if the plane struck at the wrong angle, or even worse -missed altogether, the whole scheme was in danger. Substantial fires were necessary as a cover for the subsequent collapse.

The planners had taken every precaution. Their flight approach paths were calculated to align the two towers as a single target -without a gap between them. His orders were clear. His target was the South Tower, but if the first plane struck the wrong tower, he was to switch to the other. In either event, he must strike at the remaining target with a military precision.

But he didn't. And that's where things began to go wrong.

BANKING ON SUCCESS

A straightforward level approach would have been so much easier. Just line up the towers in the cockpit window and plow straight in. This banked approach was much harder to accomplish. Imagine swinging a stone on the end of a string, aiming to strike a standing beer bottle. Imagine getting only one try. A fully laden 767 is like an elephant with wings -the apotheosis of maneuverability.

Now, the pilot was now less than two miles from his target. The screaming noise of the engines on high power were already causing heads to turn among the early morning crowds below. But they didn't really understand what was happening. One eyewitness would later recount that the first plane had tried to to veer off the tower, but hit it nevertheless. That witness had mistaken the intent of the final course correction.

For no matter how well executed the approach, it would be necessary to make one last seconds adjustment to get right on target. In the final five seconds, the tower would still be half a mile away. That's when the collective million hours of preparation would telescope into seconds and determine the success or failure of the mission.

And it wasn't going well. As the tower rushed to fill the view in the cockpit window (3), the pilot realized that he was going too fast and wide of the target to boot. He would miss to the right. Instead of a minor tilt of the controls, he would have to lean the aircraft hard left -NOW! (4)

As the airliner tilted acutely to the left (5), the air under the wings began to leak away -depriving the craft of vital lift, even as the extra centrifugal force generated by the turn meant that he needed more lift -not less. The maneuver was only partly successful. Despite the course correction, the plane still drifted to the right.

In that last instant (6), he never really had time to consider his own death. The training and his death-moment concentration focussed him so intently on the task. With a grinding crash the side of the building gave way, as Flight 175 struck near the corner of the tower -too far to the right (7).

The howl of metal and concrete impacting each other was overlaid with the crack of plate glass shattering. The concrete floors of the building cut through the plane like a egg passe

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SHOCKED & HORRIFIED
Larry Mosqueda, Ph.D.
The Evergreen State College
September 15, 2001

Like all Americans, on Tuesday, 9-11, I was shocked and horrified to watch the WTC Twin Towers attacked by hijacked planes and collapse, resulting in the deaths of perhaps up to10,000 innocent people. I had not been that shocked and horrified since January 16, 1991, when then President Bush attacked Baghdad, and the rest of Iraq and began killing 200,000 people during that "war" (slaughter). This includes the infamous"highway of death" in the last days of the slaughter when U.S.pilots literally shot in the back retreating Iraqi civilians and soldiers.I continue to be horrified by the sanctions on Iraq, which have resulted in the death of over 1,000,000 Iraqis, including over 500,000 children, about whom former Secretary of State Madeline Allbright has stated, their deaths "are worth the cost".

[Remind me not to get Madeline Allbright to write my epitaph after I'm gone. Michael.]

Over the course of my life I have been shocked and horrified by a variety of U.S. governmental actions, such as the U.S.sponsored coup against democracy in Guatemala in 1954 which resulted in the deaths of over 120,000 Guatemalan peasants by U.S. installed dictatorships over the course of four decades.Last Tuesday's events reminded me of the horror I felt when the U.S. overthrew the government of the Dominican Republicin 1965 and helped to murder 3,000 people. And it reminded me of the shock I felt in 1973, when the U.S. sponsored a coup in Chile against the democratic government of Salvador Allende and helped to murder another 30,000 people, including U.S.citizens. Last Tuesday's events reminded me of the shock and horror I felt in 1965 when the U.S. sponsored a coup in Indonesia that resulted in the murder of over 800,000 people,and the subsequent slaughter in 1975 of over 250,000 innocent people in East Timor by the Indonesian regime, with the direct complicity of President Ford and Secretary of State Henry Kissinger. I was reminded of the shock and horror I felt during the U.S. sponsored terrorist contra war (the World Court declared the U.S. government a war criminal in 1984 for the mining of the harbors) against Nicaragua in the 1980s which resulted in the deaths of over 30,000 innocent people (or as the U.S. government used to call them before the term "collateral damage"was invented--"soft targets"). I was reminded of being horrified by the U. S. war against the people of El Salvador in the 1980s, which resulted in the brutal deaths of over 80,000 people, or "soft targets". I was reminded of the shock and horror I felt during the U.S. sponsored terror war against the peoples of southern Africa (especially Angola) that began in the 1970's and continues to this day, and has resulted in the deaths and mutilations of over 1,000,000. I was reminded of the shock and horror I felt as the U.S. invaded Panama over the Christmas season of 1989 and killed over 8,000 in an attempt to capture George H. Bush's CIA partner, now turned enemy, Manual Noriega. I was reminded of the horror I felt when I learned abouthow the Shah of Iran was installed in a U.S. sponsored brutal coup that resulted in the deaths of over 70,000 Iranians from1952-1979. And the continuing shock as I learned that the Ayatollah Khomani, who overthrew the Shah in 1979, and who was the U.S.public enemy for decade of the 1980s, was also on the CIA payroll,while he was in exile in Paris in the 1970s. I was reminded of the shock and horror that I felt as I learned about the how the U.S.has "manufactured consent" since 1948 for its support of Israel,to the exclusion of virtually any rights for the Palestinians in their native lands resulting in ever worsening day-to-day conditions forthe people of Palestine. I was shocked as I learned about the hundreds of towns and villages that were literally wiped off the face of the earth in the early days of Israeli colonization. I was horrified in 1982 as the villagers of Sabra and Shatila were massacred by Israeli allies with direct Israeli complicity and direction. The untold thousands who died on that day match the scene of horror that we saw last Tuesday. But those scenes were not repeated over and over again on the national media to inflame the American public. The events and images of last Tuesday have been appropriately compared to the horrific events and images of Lebanon in the 1980s with resulted inthe deaths of tens of thousand of people, with no reference to the fact that the country that inflicted the terror on Lebanon was Israel, with U.S. backing.

I still continue to be shocked at how mai

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ON WAR, TERRORISM, AFGHANISTAN, AL-QAEDA, AND OSAMA BIN LADEN

"Turkistan, Afghanistan, Transcaspia, Persiaare the pieces on a
chessboard upon which is being played out a game for the dominance
of the world." -- Lord Curzon, Russia in Central Asia
I will add to this webpage from time to time -- latest update 10/3.
I will be out of the country and away from my computer from 10/4 to 10/16.

So far I have published two stories on crisis and the CIA, at:
"Made
in the U.S.A.: How the U.S. Manufactures Terrorists" 9/19/01

"History Warns Against Simply Arming Afghan Insurgents" 10/2/01

I have also opened this webpage on al-Qaeda and the present crisis, and would encourage
others to do so as well. We are most of us relatively ignorant about Islam,
but since this defect does not deter our leaders, this should not deter
us either.
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Many features of recent events have motivated me.
1) The need to prioritize political over military response
From the outset, there has been a tendency in official and press rhetoric to blur Afghanistan,
the Taliban, and al-Qaeda all together. This may be useful propaganda to
unite Americans in an anti-jihad. But it has had disastrous consequences
politically.
For months, as James Ridgeway reported last June in the

Village Voice, the US has been negotiating informally with Taliban
representatives for the surrender of bin Laden. Only a few days
before the WTC attack, one Taliban leader suggested publicly that the
Taliban might offer up bin Laden to be tried under Islamic law in
another Muslim country. This could have been a first step towards containing
the al-Qaeda problem.

2) The Need for a Complex Anti-War Position, and to Avoid Cliches

These remarks are addressed to those
who like myself are convinced that
a) Some kind of US response to the terrorist threat is necessary,
b) a conventional military response is
more likely to aggravate the problem than to resolve it.
c) any kind of covert response should be limited to the containment
of terrorism,
d) US-led efforts to impose a new government on Afghanistan from
outside are likely to be counterproductive,
e) any US efforts should prioritize political and diplomatic
initiatives over those using unilateral force.

This is the first conflict in which a significant number of
Americans have clearly been among the innocent victims. To be
of service, any remarks we express must show compassion towards
these victims and their families, as well as towards the oppressed
of other countries who are likely to suffer from a US response.
They should also be sensitive to the complexity of the problems
challenging those whose task it is to respond to an on-going threat.

We are unlikely to see and hear again the worst anti-American rhetoric
from the 1960s, when the left isolated itself from the US mainstream
by burning flags and writing of Amerika. But there is
a more difficult challenge for people who like myself
believe in non-violence, global understanding, and solving
root problems like poverty and the inequality of wealth.

We have to address the fact that the problem posed by terrorism is a
real and immediate
one. We must accept that there will be a US response. We have
to acknowledge that the US, as well as other countries, has real
needs which have to be addressed.

For myself, this means a distinction between an anti-terrorist program,
the principle of which I accept, and a war campaign, which I predict
will end badly for everyone.

Others will have different positions. My appeal here is to recognize
the unprecedented complexity of the position opponents of war now
face. No one should simply resort to the anti-war and anti-US
rhetoric of the past.

Each of us will have design our remarks carefully after considering
criticisms from many sources. On this website, for starters,
I am putting up both

the recent remarks of Noam Chomsky, and also the recent

critique of Chomsky's remarks by Christopher Hitchens in the Nation.
The best path, I suspect, lies somewhere between these two clearly
articulated positions. But above all I hope that both Chomsky
(whom I know and generally admire) and Hitchens (some of whose
positio

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Do not laugh at this Mojo for I have a small icon of Jesus Christ and he
is giving somebody the mojo..guess who?

In his one arm he holds a jewelled copy of a book and I thought does
this mean something?   Rubies on it, and gemstones like I would have
imagined the book of the Rubyait that went down on Titanic.

So this was a famous painting created during the Byzintine
Empire...they must use metallic paint on the edges for when I first
bought it at St. Josephs and handed it to this friend of mine I about
knocked her on her can for she received an electrical jolt.

But then I am like electric eel - over charged.

Saba

Saw the Pope give the mojo to someone once too and the dear sweet kids
at Littleton gave Clinton the Mojo at the funeralhow sweet - lots of
secrets at Littleton for that whole bunch looked half doped up and
weird.

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Well the Israelis are building a water line from Turkey to
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MID-EAST REALITIES © - MER - www.MiddleEast.Org - Washington - 10/03:
A decade ago Osama bin Laden first took up his own crusade against the USA after 
the Americans set up permanent bases in Saudi Arabia, rather than leaving "the 
Kingdom" at the end of the Gulf War as the Saudis had initially been assured.  Half a 
decade ago it was also the Americans who were instrumental in forcing bin Laden out of 
Sudan and letting him go to Afghanistan, a place he knew well because of his role in 
the Afghan/U.S.war against the Soviet empire.  And a few years ago it was the 
Americans that lit the long fuse that was to explode on 11 September when they trained 
and hired hit teams to kill bin Laden after failing to do so with a volley of some 66 
cruise missiles.   On matters of this kind the investigative capabilities of The 
Washington Post are considerable, nearly always after some issue has captured the 
American agenda.  Important investigative reporting and insights from today's 
Washington Post:
   

   
   
 U.S. Was Foiled Multiple Times in Efforts To Capture Bin Laden or Have Him Killed 
 CIA Trained Pakistanis to Nab Terrorist but Military Coup Put an End to 1999 Plot 

 By Bob Woodward and Thomas E. Ricks
Washington Post Staff Writers

[The Washington Post - Wednesday, 3 October 3 2001; Page 1]:   In 1999, the CIA 
secretly trained and equipped approximately 60 commandos from the Pakistani 
intelligence agency to enter Afghanistan for the purpose of capturing or killing Osama 
bin Laden, according to people familiar with the operation.

The operation was arranged by then-Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif and his chief 
of intelligence with the Clinton administration, which in turn promised to lift 
sanctions on Pakistan and provide an economic aid package. The plan was aborted later 
that year when Sharif was ousted in a military coup.

The plan was set in motion less than 12 months after U.S. cruise missile strikes 
against bin Laden's training camps in Afghanistan that Clinton administration 
officials believe narrowly missed hitting the exiled Saudi militant. The clandestine 
operation was part of a more robust effort by the United States to get bin Laden than 
has been previously reported, including consideration of broader military action, such 
as massive bombing raids and Special Forces assaults.

It is a record of missed opportunities that has provided President Bush and his 
administration with some valuable lessons as well as a framework for action as they 
draw up plans for their own war against bin Laden and his al Qaeda network in the 
aftermath of the Sept. 11 attacks on New York and Washington.  The Pakistani commando 
team was up and running and ready to strike by October 1999, a former official said. 
"It was an enterprise," the official said. "It was proceeding." Still stung by their 
failure to get bin Laden the previous year, Clinton officials were delighted at the 
operation, which they believed provided a real opportunity to eliminate bin Laden. "It 
was like Christmas," a source said.

The operation was aborted on Oct. 12, 1999, however, when Sharif was overthrown in a 
military coup led by Gen. Pervez Musharraf, who refused to continue the operation 
despite substantial efforts by the Clinton administration to revive it.

Musharraf, now Pakistan's president, has emerged as a key ally in the Bush 
administration's efforts to track down bin Laden and destroy his terrorist network. 
The record of the CIA's aborted relationship with Pakistan two years ago illustrates 
the value -- and the pitfalls -- of such an alliance in targeting bin Laden.

Pakistan and its intelligence service have valuable information about what is 
occurring inside Afghanistan, a country that remains closed to most of the world. But 
a former U.S. official said joint operations with the Pakistani service are always 
dicey, because the Taliban militia that rules most of Afghanistan has penetrated 
Pakistani intelligence.

"You never know who you're dealing with," the former senior official said. "You're 
always dealing with shadows."

'We Were at War'

In addition to the Pakistan operation, President Bill Clinton the year before had 
approved additional covert action for the CIA to work with groups inside Afghanistan 
and with other foreign intelligence services to capture or kill bin Laden.

The most dramatic attempt to ki

[CTRL] Fwd: US Envoy Says Anti-US And Anti-Israeli Terrorism Are Different : War On ...




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US Envoy Says Anti-US And Anti-Israeli Terrorism Are Different
War On Terror Won't Protect Jewish State

10/4/01 10:43:33 AM
LSN Staff

Jerusalem, Occupied Palestine -- State Department spokesman Richard
Boucher yesterday stated that "terrorism
against America" and "terrorism against Israel" are different things, and
that
the US will not list anti-Israeli groups among those it is targeting in
its "war on terrorism."

Stating that terrorists who are attacking America are "seeking to destroy
it",
while those attacking Israel are "seeking to resolve political issues",
Boucher
went on to say:  "Essentially, there are, on some planes, two different
things.
One is that there are violent people trying to destroy societies, ours,
many
others in the world.  The world recognizes that and we are going to stop
those
people. On the other hand, there are issues and  violence and political
issues
that need to be resolved in the Middle East,  Israelis and Palestinians."

The Zionist Organization of America immediately launched a press released
denouncing the statement, and calling on its members to protest the
statement --
 and, to make them seem more numerous than they are, to open multiple
email
accounts under multiple screen names and send a separate email from each
account.

The statement and the controversy show the continuing growth of divide
between
America's Zionist lobby and the actual positions of the US government.



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[CTRL] Fwd: UNDERNEWS OCT 4

, TELEGRAPH, LONDON: The largest outbreak in history of a
highly contagious disease that causes patients to bleed to death from every
orifice was confirmed on Pakistan's frontier with Afghanistan. At least 75
people have caught the disease so far and eight have died. An isolation ward
screened off by barbed wire has been set up in the Pakistani city of Quetta,
and an international appeal has been launched for help. Evidence suggests
the outbreak of Crimean-Congo Haemorrhagic Fever emanates from within
Afghanistan, raising fears of an epidemic if millions of refugees flee
across the frontier into Pakistan. CCHF has similar effects to the ebola
virus. Both viruses damage arteries, veins and other blood vessels and lead
to the eventual collapse of major organs. As one doctor put it, a patient
suffering from haemorrhagic fever "literally melts in front of your eyes" .
. . The first known case of the disease was among Russian soldiers serving
in the Crimea in 1944 and then among villagers living near the Congolese
city of Kisangani in 1956. Not until 1969 were scientists able to isolate
the single virus common to both. Although there have been a number of cases
since, the outbreaks have never been as large as the current one.

http://www.portal.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/10/04/wref0
4.xml&sSheet=/news/2001/10/04/ixhome.html

*** Manuel Perez-Rivas CNN:  Afghanistan's ruling Taliban government appears
to be benefiting from sharp spikes in the price of opium that have come
about after it banned cultivation of poppy, the plant that produces the
drug, United States officials said. Officials said the drug market in
Afghanistan appears to be flourishing, based on record drug seizures this
year in neighboring countries, as well as the seizure of materials used in
drug production that were intercepted on their way in to Afghanistan. The
trade seems to have continued unabated -- even though the ban was effective
in slashing cultivation -- because of the existence of large stockpiles of
opiates within Afghanistan. Meanwhile, the price of the drug has skyrocketed
in the region since the Taliban imposed its ban on poppy growers last year.

*** Rowan Scarborough, WASHINGTON TIMES: The Bush administration is putting
final touches on a bombing plan against Afghanistan's Taliban militia that
will spare civilian infrastructure such as electrical grids, bridges and
water supplies, U.S. officials say. "The 'center of gravity' is not bridges.
It's the Taliban," said one administration official, using the military's
term for an enemy target. In previous U.S.-led bombing campaigns, such as
those against Iraq and Serbia, the Pentagon worked off a broad, or
strategic, target list. Targets included bridges, roads, electrical
generators and, in some cases, central water supplies. Officials say the
impending campaign, relying on a growing arsenal of "smart" munitions, will
attempt to surgically separate the ruling Taliban militia from Afghan society.

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20011004-31834294.htm

SPEAKING OF PATRIOTISM

John Nichols, nation: Moving to exploit a shifting political landscape in
the aftermath of the September 11 terrorist attacks on the World Trade
Center and the Pentagon, President Bush's Congressional point man on free
trade issues has announced that he will attempt to ram a fast track bill
through the Congress as soon as next week . . . But there are already signs
that the Bush camp is going to have a serious fight on its hands. The
AFL-CIO and its members unions have geared up a major push to block action
on the bill . . . Fast Track remains unpopular not just with most Democrats
but with many members of his own party. Opposed by labor, environmental and
human rights group because it would eliminate the ability of Congress to
amend or moderate anti-worker, environmentally risky and undemocratic
components of trade deals reached by the Bush administration, Fast Track has
long been the top legislative priority of multinational corporations and
their lobbying associations. With Fast Track authority, Bush would be freed
to negotiate a borderless business zone from South America to Antarctica --
creating a circumstance Public Citizen Global Trade Watch director Lori
Wallach has described as "NAFTA on steroids."

http://www.thenation.com/thebeat/

RECOVERED HISTORY
John Adams and the Alien & Sedition Acts

IT IS INTERESTING, and perhaps significant, that as American democracy
collapses, the country's elite has become enamored with John Adams, a man
partially responsible for some of the worst laws ever approved by the U.S.
Congress, the Alien & Sedition Acts.

SAUL PADOVER, "THE WORLD OF THE FOUNDING FATHERS" - Adams expressed his
ideas in a number of essays and books, as well as in his letters. There are
three main elements in his philosophy. One is Adams' view of human nature.
Another i

Re: [CTRL] Teacher fighting to keep her job

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Actually, Klinton is turning out to be a "victim" of the terrorist attacks.
They are going to be a BIG part of his legacy.

Only amongst the partisan Republican simpleminds...

Bill.

Re: [CTRL] More on Mark of Beast........

2001-10-04 Thread Mark McHugh

-Caveat Lector-

Saba wrote:
>
> Twinkle Twinkle Little StarRed Stars, Star of Solomon, Star of
> David,  and the bright red star still burns on in the heart of the
> Scorpion whom some say symbolizes the Serpent with burning sting.
>
> Strange now we see this Star of David on Israeli Tanks; and Star of
> Solomon on American Tanks, and Red Star of Solomon on Russian
> Tanks..
>
> The Hunt for Osama bin Laden?   Like the the stars in the sky it seems
> the Scorpion and the Hunter never appear on the same stage - but the
> Archer awaits to assassinate the sun god on November 22, of each
> year...seems almost like the Scorpio leads the Hunter to his death
> who is ambushed by the Archer in the heavens?
>
> So much for Tiger Tiger Burning Biright.
>
> Saba

Did you notice that Saba is the daimon of the planet Mars?

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´´
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Re: [CTRL] Howdy liser@aol.com not working . . .


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Good luck on new lists Kris.someday you will have a news serivce
(but then will be no place for worn out conspiracy theorists like me).

Thanks for doing such a wonderful job for us all.

Saba aka Colleen

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Re: [CTRL] CARNIVORE: Every link you take, every click you make: The FBI could be watching you

2001-10-04 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]


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Yeah, ever since i started looking into CIA mind control on the net, all my
browsing now goes via mae.west or mae.east, CIA net monitoring nodes.  not
to mention all my ctrl email being strangely delayed, but not others.
so theyre watching me - not much i can do about that.  i have no intention
of threatening anyones personal freedom, power or finances, so i dont
expect to ever get too high on their list of priorities.

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Re: [CTRL] Zeta Talk on the Attack

2001-10-04 Thread tnohava


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Heh heh heh...welcome to "La La Land", "alternative" means the Zeta
Reticuli(SP) or to be more precise Space Aliens. This woman Nancy Lieder is
supposedly in contact with the Zeta's, a former confidant of hers a few
years ago came forth and stated mental illness also ran in her family
history. As I remember she also stated according to the Zeta's that
civilization as we know it was coming to an end somewhere between 2001 and
2003.


> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of Samantha L.
> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 2:56 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [CTRL] Zeta Talk on the Attack
>
>
> -Caveat Lector-
>
> This is an interesting alternative view of the motives..
>
> http://www.zetatalk.com/govmt/g127.htm
>
> ZetaTalk: Attack on America
>
> Yes and no, this is what it seems on the surface - an attack by
> Bin Laden on
> the corrupt capitalist country that has led so many attacks on Muslim
> countries. But this attack would not have occurred unless infighting among
> the financial giants of the world, the major banks, had not occurred.
> Infighting was the instigator, and the primary culprit, but this
> culprit will
> not be the scapegoat. In the infamous attack on America on September 11,
> 2001, several unlikely bedfellows crawled into bed with each
> other, each for
> their own ends. Thus, where on the surface it seems a repeat of
> the Bin Laden
> attack on the World Trade Center in New York City, failed in the past and
> tried before the world in the courts, this was only using as the bullet a
> Muslim group that would be immediately suspect and placate most inquiring
> minds. The gun was held, however, by a rival bank of JP Morgan, who was
> devastated in the attack.
>
> The Stock Markets and worth of so much paper the banks and
> wealthy rely upon
> for their status and control are being artificially maintained at
> this time,
> the longer to keep these elite on their high perch. We mentioned
> in November,
> 1999 that cooperation between the world's banking giants and
> governments was
> in place, toward this end. One means of this artificial support is to put
> forth losers, so that the general public might win and thus maintain their
> confidence to continue to play the game that the Stock Markets
> represent. Key
> players are to enter the field and take a loss, aborting panic, as this is
> considered a lesser problem than a full scale panic. Where this
> plan met with
> general approval, now that tight times and a worldwide recession
> has become a
> reality, there is argument among the players. You go first, no
> you go first,
> and these arguments have gotten heated. Many felt the time would
> never come,
> so agreement was only in principal, not from the heart. Thus those in the
> financial field with greater clout, threatened to force lesser
> participants
> to be the loser, and dark thoughts crossed many minds.
>
> During the day of the attack, there were three things that stood
> out from the
> horror and stunned confusion that goes with any unexpected catastrophe.
>
> The first was the absence of the President from a role of
> confrontation and
> comfort. He was hiding, on the run, not seen as in command, and
> took hours to
> even muster a presence other than a statement or two repeating
> the obvious.
> It was clear to all that the Vice President, remaining in the White House,
> was running things. The lack of leadership was so apparent that this was
> mentioned repeatedly by the newscasters.
>
> The second was the repeated mention that such a well planned and executed
> attack had to have more than the usual terrorist support, had to
> be supported
> by or in countries unnamed. Muslim pilots were trained in major aircraft
> operations, undoubtedly in training simulation settings. Were
> they referring
> to Afghanistan, primitive and suffering from drought so severe
> the people are
> starving? They were referring to a sophisticated country, with the
> infrastructure capable of training Muslim pilots on the flight
> deck of these
> major commercial aircraft.
> The third was that the CIA had been clueless, a trend of late but
> so complete
> a blackout had occurred that it seemed beyond belief. Had this occurred in
> prior terrorist attacks? The terrorists were familiar enough with
> US airport
> security and the routines and roles of the staff to be able to
> successfully
> commandeer four planes, delivering the payload of three of them
> into the New
> York skyline and the Pentagon itself. No only was the CIA in the dark, it
> seems the intel went in the other direction!
>
> The heads of the US government were too frightened, the attack too well
> planned and executed, for this to be just a terrorist attack. And
> JP Morgan
> affiliates resided on several floors of the World Trade Center and were a
> casualty of the sudden devastation - executives, records, and
> confidence of
> the

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Sharon: "We Control America" : "Don't worry about American pressure on ...


-Caveat Lector-

Is there a source that isn't 100% pro Palestinian that corroborates that
quote?

I dont doubt it - Sharon is an animal - but it's hard to take seriously as a
source - just like I dont trust the Jerusalem post to give me an accurate
reporting on what yassir arafat said...
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We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. We must remember always that
accusation is not proof and that conviction depends upon evidence and due
process of law.


Edward R. Murrow






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> American pressure on ...
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[CTRL] PART 10: RECIPE FOR TAKING AMERICA and A PERSONAL TOUR OF HELL!

2001-10-04 Thread Outlawlady


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SPECIAL REPORT!
ILLUMINATI COVER-UP -
PROOF: BIBLE IS FACT!
(Part 10)



PART 10: RECIPE FOR TAKING AMERICA...
 A PERSONAL TOUR OF HELL!






Part 10: the entire article can be read at:
The Joshua Report
http://joshuareport.freewebsites.com

For News you won't find in the mainstream:
Pictures of the WTC and the NEW WONDER WEAPON
Joshua's Shadow
http://joshuashadow.freewebsites.com



--
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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Sharon: "We Control America" : "Don't worry about American pressure on ...


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yes and what happens?   the next day the Israelis have a plane crash and
Israelis aboard they said..

other than that nobody important aboard.

Sharon operates like a Bill Clinton doesn't he.

Thrives on disaster and chaos but then out of chaos comes New World
Order or does it - ?

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[CTRL] Will Suggests Suspect Had Long Planned to Die for Beliefs


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http://www.nytimes.com/2001/10/04/national/04INQU.html?todaysh
eadlines=&pagewanted=print

October 4, 2001
Will Suggests Suspect Had Long Planned to Die for Beliefs

By PHILIP SHENON   and  DAVID JOHNSTON
 ASHINGTON, Oct. 3

 Mohamed Atta, described by law enforcement officials as the
ringleader of the Sept. 11 hijackers, left a will in which he said he
wanted to be buried "next to good Muslims," with his corpse
pointed east toward Mecca, the officials said.

They said the will was found in a suitcase that Mr. Atta, a 33-year-
old Egyptian, left at Logan Airport in Boston, where he boarded an
American Airlines jet that later slammed into the north tower of the
World Trade Center in New York, possibly with Mr. Atta at the
controls.

The will was dated April 1996, which would suggest that Mr. Atta
had been planning for years to die for Islam and that he wanted his
final actions to be understood as an effort to serve God.
At his funeral, "everybody should mention God's name and that I
died as a Muslim, which is God's religion," he wrote, adding that
"everyone who attends my funeral should ask that I will be forgiven
for what I have done in the past"  although "not this action."

The will was written in broken English. Details of its contents were
first reported by the German magazine Spiegel.

Mr. Atta was a student in the mid- 1990's at a technical university in
Hamburg, Germany, where he was seeking a degree in urban
planning.

Law enforcement officials would not say why Mr. Atta's luggage
had remained at Logan Airport, where he transferred onto the
American Airlines jet bound for Los Angeles after flying to Boston
earlier that morning from Portland, Me.

It was not clear if Mr. Atta had checked the bag only to Boston  in
the knowledge that its contents would be seized by the police after
his death  or if he intended the bag to make the connection and
to be destroyed in the crash. The suitcase also held a five-page
letter in Arabic offering final instructions to the hijackers.

Friends and other students have said that while studying in
Germany, Mr. Atta underwent a profound change in his religious
beliefs and temperament. He embraced Muslim fundamentalism
and surrounded himself with other devout followers.

Also today, administration officials confirmed that weeks before the
terror attacks in New York and Washington, Washington-based
supervisors at the Justice Department and the Federal Bureau of
Investigation turned down a request for a surveillance warrant for a
Frenchman who is now being questioned in New York about any
knowledge he might have of the hijacking plot.

The man, Zacarias Moussauoi, was taken into custody in August
after officials at a Minnesota flight school warned the bureau that
he was acting suspiciously.

Officials confirmed an account in Newsweek magazine that bureau
agents in Minnesota had requested a warrant to review his
computer hard drive but that they had been turned down by Justice
Department officials in Washington. The Washington officials, they
said, believed that the request did not provide enough evidence to
suggest a crime to support a warrant under terms of the Foreign
Intelligence Surveillance Act.

The officials would not confirm reports elsewhere that the drive was
later inspected and found to contain information about crop-
dusters, which law enforcement officials have feared could be used
by terrorists for attacks with chemical or biological weapons.
Earlier this year, the judge who oversees enforcement of the
Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act complained to the Justice
Department over whether prosecutors were presenting enough
information to the court to justify wiretaps.

Government officials also offered new details today about
negotiations several years ago between the United States and
Sudan in which the Sudanese government offered to turn over
Osama bin Laden, who is reported to be the mastermind of last
month's terror attacks.

The officials said the United States turned down the 1996 offer
because American prosecutors had little hard evidence at the time
to use against Mr. bin Laden. Details of the negotiations were first
reported by The Washington Post.

Mr. Atta's will made clear that he wanted his funeral to be carried
out according to strict Muslim tradition.

"The people who will prepare my body should be good Muslims
because this will remind me of God and his forgiveness," he wrote.
"Those who will sit beside my body must remember Allah, God, and
pray for me to be with the angels.

"When you bury me, the people with whom I will be buried should
be good Muslims. I want to face east toward Mecca."

There were detailed instructions for the preparation of his body
before burial. He wanted only "good Muslims" to wash his corpse,
and he asked that his body then be wrapped in three pieces of
white cloth "not to be made from silk or expensive material." He
asked that "the person who will wash my body near the genitals
must wear gloves

Re: [CTRL] Stop UN Prosecution of our troops


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The day no man bows to another will be the day revolution is no longer
necessary
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> Look Neuropsychotic - the day a white man bows to a black man, will be
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No somebody got a demolition done for a few pounds.

Say - all that gold at the bottom of the pit and then, consider they did
not give a crap about all the human beings in this massive Temple of
Mammoncui bono?

Don't know - ask Joe and Larry Silverstein?   He had the new plans on
the table the day after the towers fell.

So let us see the Hanged Man is he next - death by water?   We have had
the falling towers, and the fool edging towards the abyss - we have had
the Queoen of Hearts die in October all when the bright red star burned
on and on.

This is a master plan for murder and the same secret society that
murderd JFK took down the Twin Towers and has the Contract on
Americathey have found all the nuts and serpents to do the job for
them.

Its a real landmark case and yes Mr. Clinton we see through the glass,
darklylike little Sirhan and maybe those other programmed killers -
but your appearance at Waco showed us what a great humanitarian, you
really are and now we pay for your ignorance and treason?

Saba

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[CTRL] U.S.: Taliban continue to profit from drug trade

2001-10-04 Thread Steve


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U.S.: Taliban continue to profit from drug trade

October 3, 2001 Posted: 4:15 PM EDT (2015 GMT)

By Manuel Perez-Rivas
CNN Washington Bureau

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Afghanistan's ruling Taliban government appears to
be benefiting from sharp spikes in the price of opium that have come about
after it banned cultivation of poppy, the plant that produces the drug, United
States officials said Wednesday.

Officials said the drug market in Afghanistan appears to be flourishing,
based on record drug seizures this year in neighboring countries, as well as
the seizure of materials used in drug production that were intercepted on
their way in to Afghanistan.

The trade seems to have continued unabated -- even though the ban was
effective in slashing cultivation -- because of the existence of large stockpiles
of opiates within Afghanistan.

Meanwhile, the price of the drug has skyrocketed in the region since the
Taliban imposed its ban on poppy growers last year.

Asa Hutchinson, head of the Drug Enforcement Administration, said that
regional prices for opium in Afghanistan jumped dramatically, from $44 per
kilogram before the ban to as much as $746 per kilogram before the
September 11 terrorist attacks on New York and Washington. The worldwide
market price, however, has remained stable -- a sign that supplies have not
dropped off.

After the attacks, the regional price fell back to $95 per kilogram, as
traffickers dumped stockpiles before possible U.S. retaliation ag ainst the
Taliban for the September 11 terrorist attacks on New York and Washington.
Prices since have climbed back to $429 per kilogram.

"This price increase, which was limited to the immediate region and did not
resonate in the international market, appears to be a means for the Taliban
to capitalize on a rise in the price of a commodity over which they exercise
virtually total control," said Hutchinson, who called the regime's level of control
over the opium market in Afghanistan "incredible and impressive."

The Taliban's use of the drug trade to finance government operations and to
pay for its ongoing war in Afghanistan has drawn increased attention from
U.S. officials since the terrorist attacks. That attention is because of the
regime's support for Osama bin Laden, and his al Qaeda network, the prime
suspects behind the attacks.

Sources have said that destroying the Taliban's drug production facilities is
one option being weighed as the United States plans retaliation.

Trade appears strong despite poppy ban

At a hearing of the House Government Reform subcommittee on criminal
justice and drug policy, officials said there is little evidence directly
connecting bin Laden or al Qaeda to the drug trade. Most of the terrorist
networks' funding seems to come from other sources.

Officials said, however, that bin Laden at least benefits indirectly from the
drug trade because of the support he gets from the Taliban.

"The relationship between the Taliban and bin Laden is believed to have
flourished, in large part, due to the Taliban's substantial reliance on the opium
trade as a source of organizational revenue," Hutchinson said.

Hutchinson said the ban on poppy cultivation resulted in a steep drop in
opium production -- from 4,000 metric tons last year to 74 metric tons in
2001. Yet despite this decrease, and despite the Taliban's claims that heroin
labs have been destroyed, the indications are that the trade continues on a
large scale.

"The DEA has seen no decrease in availability and no increase in prices of
southwest Asian heroin in the United States and in Europe," he said. "This
indicates that significant amounts of opiates still remain available."

The drug trade has provided a major source of revenue for the Taliban ever
since it took over control of Afghanistan in the mid-1990s. In that time,
production of heroin in the war-torn country doubled and Afghanistan became
the world's leading producer of the highly addictive drug, providing more than
70 percent of the world's market.

U.S. officials have said the Taliban has benefited directly from this trade,
through taxes on farmers who grow poppies as well as drug traffickers.
Officials said the drug has sometimes been accepted as payment for taxes,
and that the Taliban holds large stockpiles of the product.

Officials estimate that some $40 million to $50 million have flowed into
Afghan government coffers annually in revenues from the drug trade, and
some believe that number might be higher.

William Bach, a State Department official in the Bureau of International
Narcotics and Law Enforcement Affairs, said the Taliban has used drug
proceeds to purchase weapons and help finance its ongoing war. Despite
the regime's call last year for a ban on poppy growing, Bach said record
seizures of the drug this year in neighboring countries show that "the flow of
opiates out of Afghanistan has not abated."

Congressman blasts 'calculated ploy'

Rep. Mark Souder, R-Indiana, the chairman of

[CTRL] Weather or not......


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> Check this one out and be sure to read the article under it too :)
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> http://www.boortz.com/Boortzbits.htm#Weather


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Look Neuropsychotic - the day a white man bows to a black man, will be
the day the revolution really starts.

And Neuropschotic, I hate maudlin peole who hate racism.

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Re: [CTRL] Reports Swirl Out of Afghanistan of Panic and Taliban Defections

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> The accumulating signs could indicate the beginning of a wider
>  disintegration of Taliban power. But because the reports are
>  scattered, and in some cases from refugees arriving in Pakistan
>  who are hostile to the Taliban, it is uncertain whether the Taliban
>  are starting to break up as a governing force or are regrouping for
>  a guerrilla war.

  You mean the Taliban, marauders of women and children, could turn out to be
weasel cowards?  Imagine that.  "Wickedness is confessedly very cowardly, and
under pressure of conscience, it condemns itself."  It will be interesting to
see how this plays out.

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[CTRL] AP: Details Given in Paris Embassy Plot


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Details Given in Paris Embassy Plot

By PIERRE-ANTOINE SOUCHARD


PARIS (AP) A French-Algerian man now jailed in France has given authorities
a wealth of compelling detail, describing his recruitment at Osama bin
Laden's home in Afghanistan for a suicide bombing against the U.S. Embassy
in Paris.

Djamel Beghal's revelations, made last month in Dubai and described Tuesday
by judicial officials, led authorities to arrest a number of other suspects
in a broad plot to attack U.S. interests in Europe, the officials said.

At a meeting at bin Laden's home in Afghanistan he was told by bin Laden's
aide that ``the time has come for action'' and was offered three presents.
The gifts were ``on the part of Osama bin Laden,'' according to Europe-1
radio.

French anti-terrorism Judge Jean-Louis Bruguiere, in charge of the
investigation, opened his probe into the alleged embassy plot on Sept. 10 a
day before the catastrophic attacks in New York and Washington.

Still unknown is whether the current case has any links to the Sept. 11
attacks. For now, French officials say the cases are separate.

Beghal, 35, was placed under formal investigation Monday, a step short of
being charged, for alleged links to a terror network, according to French
judicial officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity. He had been
extradited Sunday from the United Arab Emirates, where he was arrested in
late July with a false passport.

Bruguiere traveled to Dubai late last month for Beghal's interrogation.
Under questioning Sept. 22 and 23, Beghal outlined the plot for the suicide
mission against the U.S. Embassy in Paris, to be carried out before March
of next year, the judicial officials said. He spoke in great detail about
being recruited by Abu Zubaydah, bin Laden's senior aide.

The embassy declined to comment on the alleged plot, other than to say:
``This is part of an ongoing investigation by French authorities, in whom
we have full confidence.''

Now in Paris, Beghal was questioned again on Monday for 11 hours. Late
Tuesday, his lawyer, Fabrice Dubest, told The Associated Press that his
client had denied receiving orders to attack the U.S. Embassy.

However, officials say they still take very seriously the account that
Beghal gave in Dubai. ``At his new hearing on Monday,'' one said, ``Beghal
didn't give the precise target, but he never denied that there would be
attacks.''

According to the plan, another man Nizar Trabelsi, a Tunisian who was
arrested Sept. 13 in Belgium was to penetrate the embassy, strapped with
explosives. Also, a minivan packed with explosives was to explode outside
the cultural section.

Beghal said he had signed a ``pact'' with Abu Zubaydah in March in
Afghanistan, where he spent month at a training camp run by al-Qaida, bin
Laden's organization. Bin Laden was apparently not present at the meeting,
Beghal told investigators, but he said al-Qaida had deposited money for the
operation in a Moroccan bank account.

Beghal said his job in the plot was to gather information and study the
embassy's security plans. Officials said he told investigators in Dubai
that he has now ``renounced the cause'' of bin Laden. ``It is not true
religion. I was deceived.''

Beghal was the second person extradited to France in two days in connection
with the plot against U.S. interests. Kamel Daoudi, 27, also a
French-Algerian, was extradited from Britain on Saturday. Radio reports
have said the two were related.

Authorities have tied Beghal to others arrested in the Netherlands, where
four people have been arrested, and in Belgium, where two arrests were
made, one of them Trabelsi.

In addition, six Algerians were arrested in Spain last week and ordered
held without bail, stemming from Belgium's arrest of Trabelsi, Spanish
officials said.

In Rome Tuesday, the U.S. Embassy there warned that ``symbols of American
capitalism'' in Italy may be targeted for attack in the next month but
provided no details.

Elsewhere in Europe, details relating to the investigation continued to
emerge. Authorities in Switzerland said that Mohamed Atta, believed by the
United States to have been a leader of the hijacking teams in the terror
attacks, spent several hours in Zurich on his way from Miami to Madrid in
July. In Russia, a senior aide to President Vladimir Putin said at least
four of the hijackers had trained in the breakaway republic of Chechnya.



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[CTRL] Reports Swirl Out of Afghanistan of Panic and Taliban Defections


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October 4, 2001

Reports Swirl Out of Afghanistan of Panic and Taliban Defections
By JOHN F. BURNS

 SLAMABAD, Pakistan, Oct. 3  The Taliban's top Islamic clerics
have left their headquarters in the southern Afghan city of
Kandahar to escape the risk of American bombing, and other
senior Taliban officials have fled to Pakistan or sent their families
across the border as refugees, according to reliable accounts
reaching Pakistan.

Other accounts depict gathering panic among the population and
the disappearance from major cities of many Taliban soldiers and
policemen, and raise the possibility of a mass defection by Taliban
fighters.

The accumulating signs could indicate the beginning of a wider
disintegration of Taliban power. But because the reports are
scattered, and in some cases from refugees arriving in Pakistan
who are hostile to the Taliban, it is uncertain whether the Taliban
are starting to break up as a governing force or are regrouping for
a guerrilla war.

A top official of the anti-Taliban alliance based in northern
Afghanistan said today that dozens of senior Taliban officers
commanding as many as 10,000 troops might be willing to switch
loyalties, some of them based in key provinces.

"They are willing to change sides today or wait until something
starts and then coordinate their efforts with us," said the official, Dr.
Abdullah Abdullah, who is nominally the foreign minister of the
Northern Alliance. "It's quite possible there will be a popular
uprising in Kabul before we can move forces into Kabul."

He also claimed to have received pledges of continuing support
from Iran and Russia, and to have held his first meeting with
American officials. "We are discussing every aspect of the present
situation and cooperation," he said, without disclosing the
meeting's location.

The alliance, which has fought a long and losing war against the
Taliban, has a reputation for exaggerating its claims. There was no
way to tell whether Dr. Adbullah was overstating the extent to which
Taliban fighters could be tempted into a mass defection  a
development that would dramatically alter the strategic landscape
in the country. Other alliance commanders suggested Dr. Abdullah
was making exaggerated claims.

But the statements together with the flurry of reports that have
leaked out of the isolated country in the past 48 hours  from
Afghan cities hundreds of miles apart, as well as from provincial
towns that have been fortresses of Taliban power  suggest that
tensions building since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks in the United
States are reaching a breaking point.

With the Taliban leaders refusing to hand over Osama bin Laden,
named by the United States as the "prime suspect" in the attacks,
many within the Taliban's ranks appear to have concluded that war
with the United States is inevitable.

United Nations officials and refugees say looting of shops and
homes has begun. In Kandahar, Taliban fighters have stormed into
a United Nations compound and driven off with vehicles used in an
American- financed program that has been disarming millions of
land mines left over from the guerrilla war against Soviet forces in
the 1980's. Shops in the capital, Kabul, as well as in Kandahar and
the eastern city of Jalalabad have emptied of food.

On the streets of all three cities the religious police  notorious for
beating women for the most trivial offenses against the Taliban's
repressive social codes  are reported to have virtually
disappeared.

Intelligence agents have burst into homes and arrested anyone
who so much as mentions the name of Mohammad Zahir Shah, the
exiled Afghan king who has emerged as a possible figurehead for a
post-Taliban government, according to some reports.

Religious schools that have indoctrinated young Taliban fighters
have been closed, and the students sent off to be inducted into the
army. But many have joined the flood of refugees heading for
Pakistan, only to be pulled from their families at gunpoint and
pressed into service in the Taliban's front-line units.

Alongside such accounts, claims by the Northern Alliance of large
numbers of front-line Taliban field commanders being prepared to
defect had echoes elsewhere.

In another region crucial to Taliban power, along Afghanistan's
eastern border with Pakistan, Taliban commanders in three key
provinces that control the southern approaches to Kabul 
Paktika, Paktia and Logar  were reported today to have been in
contact with opposition groups that have come together in a loose
alliance against the Taliban.

According to officials in Pakistan's military intelligence agency,
mostly tribal chiefs have shown "some interest" in defecting to the
new alliance on condition that it be led by the exiled Zahir Shah.

These reports, if true, would explain why the Taliban's supreme
leader, Mullah Muhammad Omar, has directed several

[CTRL] Arab Civilising


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}}}>Begin
How The Arab Civilization Has Changed Your Life
Middle East News Online
By Sherri Muzher, for Middle East News Online
Posted Thursday October 4, 2001 - 10:54:46 AM EDT
These have been tough times, and our media deserves kudos in recent
weeks for bringing Arab-Americans and Muslim-Americans forward to
humanize there respective communities, and to demonstrate that they
are not the same as the alleged terrorists.
And while Arab-Americans are being singled out in this fight against
terror, it might be interesting for people to note that the
overwhelming majority of Arab-Americans are law-abiding and
concentrate on achieving the 'American Dream.' People might even be
surprised to learn that there are Arabs and Arab-Americans among
their heroes. For the sports fan, there's NBA star Rony Seikaly and
NFL star Doug Flutie.
If you like comedy, you may be familiar with the late Danny Thomas,
Jamie Farr, and Tony Shalhoub. Maybe you like drama. . .there's Salma
Hayek and Omar Sharif. Maybe you're into politics, and so you might
be familiar with Republican John Sununu, Green Party founder Ralph
Nader, and Democrat Nick Rahall - related to race car driver, Bobby
Rahall. Do you like Latin pop? There's Shakira.
When you write a check or count your dollars, you are using Arabic
numerals. Are you putting away money so that your kids can go to a
university when they grow up? The Arabs founded great universities,
in particular the ones at Cairo, Bagdad, and Cordova. These schools
preserved and taught Greco-Roman culture. Classical learning provided
a foundation for further advances by Arab scholars, who were
permitted to write with considerable freedom. History tends to jump
from the Greco-Roman period and right into the Renaissance period.
The period between them is known as the Dark Ages. But if these were
Dark Ages, the Arabs were wearing sunglasses. It was during the so-
called Dark Ages that Arabs made great contributions to science and
mathematics.
They furthered the studies of algebra, geometry, and trigonometry.
They prepared chemical compounds such as sulfuric acid and alcohol;
improved metal refining and cloth dying; and gained new knowledge
about the relationship between light and vision. In terms of
medicine, they used anesthetics; performed difficult surgery,
particularly progressing in eye operations; and compiled medical
textbooks.
The famous scientist-philosopher known in Europe as Avicenna was Ibn
Sina, an Arab. He was the greatest writer of medicine in the Middle
Ages, and his Canon was required reading throughout Europe until the
seventeenth century. Have you been seeing a counselor or therapist?
Avicenna did pioneer work in mental health, and was a forerunner of
today's psychotherapists. He believed that some illnesses were
psychosomatic, and he sometimes led patients back to a recollection
of an incident buried in the subconscious in order to explain the
present ailment.
Did you grow up on a farm? The Arabs improved farming by methods by
rotating crops and using fertilizer. The next time you celebrate with
a glass of wine, consider this: Arabs were able to graft a single
vine so that it would bear grapes in different colors, and their
vineyards were responsible for the future of wine industries of
Europe. From India, they introduced the cultivation of sugar, and
from Egypt they brought cotton to European markets. Peach, apricot,
and loquat trees were transplanted in southern Europe by Arab
soldiers. The hardy olive was encouraged to grow in the sandy soil of
Greece, Spain, and Sicily.
There was a time that people around the world thought the earth was
flat. The Arabs believed the earth was round and it's been said that
Christopher Columbus's navigator was Arab. The Arabs used the
Mariner's compass to determine direction at sea.
The Arab World gave the world its third monotheistic religion --
Islam, which means "submission." This peaceful religion, considered
to be the fastest growing in modern times, was spread to lands more
distant than North Africa and the Fertile Crescent, but it was in
this area that a common Arab culture emerged. Being Arab means that
one speaks Arabic and shares a world of common traditions, customs
and values. The US is a melting pot of different ethnicities and
religions, and so, too, is the Arab civilization, which brought
together Muslims, Christians and Jews. It unified Arabians, Africans,
Berbers, Egyptians, and the descendants of the Phoenicians (modern
day Lebanese), Canaanites (modern day Palestinians), and many other
peoples.
>From tanning leather to the famous British bagpipes to literature to
philosophers who worked closely with Plato and Aristotle, the Arabs
have contributed in many ways to modern civilization. For so many
unfortunate years, our fellow Americans have been subjected to
stereotypes and misinformation about the Arab community, probably
never realizing the

Re: [CTRL] Teacher fighting to keep her job


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<<   And if it had been a similar comment while Clinton was Prez, she would
have
been promoted.  Glad to see you so happy about that dichotomy, Bill. >>

Actually, Klinton is turning out to be a "victim" of the terrorist attacks.
They are going to be a BIG part of his legacy.

Bill

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Re: [CTRL] Anti-war actions...continued (5)


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<< "He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my

contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the

spinal cord would fully suffice. This disgrace to civilization should be

done away with at once. Heroism at command, senseless brutality, deplorable

love-of-country stance, how violently I hate all this, how despicable and

ignoble war is;  I would rather be torn to shreds than be a part of so base

an action! It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is

nothing but an act of murder."

  -- Albert Einstein >>

Are you sure that William Jefferson Clinton didn't say this?

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Re: [CTRL] Islamic Terrorists are Afraid of Women


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<< So we bomb them with female pigs  >>

That'll work for me. And while we are at it, dip and bullets in lard and then
drop leaflets telling them what we have done. HeHe.

BHoward

It doesn't do any good to win the rat race because when all is said and done,
you are still a rat!

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Re: [CTRL] Get paid to forward under the radar articles

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Paul, can you tell us more about this?  What kinds of articles, etc., or give
us a link to what you've previously written?

Samantha

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> Calling all CTRL'ers
>
>  Let the battle commenceMeme warfare
>
>  If you experience any technical preoblems please email
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>
>  Other than that, fingers crossed for phase 1.
>
>  http://www.everythingsgonnabemint.co.uk/e/r.asp?id=1
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>  Forgive the cheezy pic of me, but a marketing guy told
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>  Peace
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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: The worst is yet to come.


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<< It may just be the result of lots of refugees and livestock all suddenly in
too close proximity to each other >>

OR, it could be a third party trying to start some trouble and lay the blame
on the Afghans or the U.S..

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Re: [CTRL] Stop UN Prosecution of our troops


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<< how many votes should we have? >>

I'll  hold out for the only vote.

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[CTRL] Low tech biowarfare

2001-10-04 Thread Tony Dickinson


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Not so new an idea actually. One of the earliest reported uses of
biological warfare agents involve the lobbing of diseased animals over
fortified city walls using catapults !!

T.

>
> So we bomb them with female pigs 
>
>

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: The worst is yet to come.


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In a message dated 10/4/01 10:36:30 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<<   Oh, this cannot be a coincidence.  Somebody released this - either their
jihad or ours.  What a nightmare. >>

The terrifing thing about this is, you may be correct.

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[CTRL] FW: [604] solution


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> From: "Joe Shmo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 04:35:18 +0700
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [604] solution
>
> Killing Osama bin Laden will only create a martyr. Holding him prisoner
> will only inspire his comrades to take hostages to demand his release.
> Therefore, we should do neither.
>
> Rather, let the Special Forces, Navy Seals, Green Berets, etc., covertly
> catch him, secretly fly him to an undisclosed Swedish hospital and have
> surgeons quickly perform a complete sex change operation. Then return
> "her" to Afghanistan to live as a woman under the Taliban.
>
> 
>
> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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Re: [CTRL] Stop UN Prosecution of our troops


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this is good saba- medication must be running real low this week - or maybe
a day w/out CTRL proves too much

now the problem with the UN is that it has a black leader?
nice

the way democratic institutions are supposed to work is by an equitable
distribution of voting power

i know its a tricky concept
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> Subject: Re: [CTRL] Stop UN Prosecution of our troops
>
> -Caveat Lector-
>
> How many votes should we have?   You got to be kidding.
>
> You think this country should bend before Zulu Nations?
>
> Hey about that Israel almost got them for racism, right?
>
> And US walks out in protest?
>
> We have no business in that cess pool and this Head Zulu no matter how
> much he pays for his suits, he is still a bum.
>
> So on with the genocide only this time, count me and mine out.
>
> Saba
>
> How many votes should be have?
> What are you some kind of a mutant?
>
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[CTRL] It's A Family Affair


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}}}>Begin
Bush
familys dirty little secret:
Presidents oil companies funded by Bin Laden family and wealthy
Saudis who financed Osama bin Laden
By
Rick Wiles
Copyright: American Freedom News
September 2001
President
Bush recently signed an executive order to freeze the US financial
assets of
corporations doing business with Osama bin Laden. He described the
order as a
"strike on the financial foundation of the global terror network.
"If
you do business with terrorists, if you support or succor them, you
will not do
business with the United States," said President Bush.
He
didnt say anything about doing business with a terrorists brother  or
his wealthy financier.
When
President George W. Bush froze assets connected to Osama bin Laden, he didnt
tell the American people that the terrorist masterminds late brother was an
investor in the presidents former oil business in Texas. He also hasnt leveled with 
the American public about his financial connections to a host of shady Saudi 
characters involved in drug cartels, gun
smuggling, and  terrorist networks.
Doing
business with the enemy is nothing new to the Bush family. Much of the Bush family 
wealth came from supplying needed raw materials
and credit to Adolf Hitlers Third Reich. Several business operations managed by 
Prescott Bush  the
presidents grandfather - were seized by the US government during World War II
under the Trading with the Enemy Act.
On
October 20, 1942, the federal government seized the Union Banking Corporation in
New York City as a front operation for the Nazis. Prescott Bush was a director.  Bush,
E. Roland Harriman, two Bush associates, and three Nazi executives owned the
banks shares.  Eight days later,
the Roosevelt administration seized two other corporations managed by Prescott
Bush.  The Holland-American Trading
Corporation and the Seamless Steel Equipment Corporation, both managed by the
Bush-Harriman bank, were accused by the US federal government of being front 
organizations for Hitlers Third Reich.  Again,
on November 8, 1942, the federal government seized Nazi-controlled assets of
Silesian-American Corporation, another Bush-Harriman company doing business with
Hitler.
Doing
business with the bin Laden empire, therefore, is only the latest extension of
the Bush familys financial ties to unsavory individuals and organizations. Now that 
thousands of American citizens have died in terrorist attacks
and the nation is going to war, the American people should know about George W.
Bushs relationship with the family of Osama bin Laden.
Salem
bin Laden, Osamas older brother, was an investor in Arbusto Energy.  the
Texas oil company started by George W. Bush. Arbusto means Bush in Spanish. Salem 
bin Laden died in an airplane crash in Texas in 1988.
Sheik
Mohammed bin Laden, the family patriarch and founder of its construction empire,
also died in a plane crash.  Upon
his death in 1968, he left behind 57 sons and daughters  the offspring he
sired with 12 wives in Saudi Arabia, Syria, Lebanon, and Jordan. About a dozen 
brothers manage Bin Laden Brothers Construction  one of
the largest construction firms in the Middle East.
Fresh
out of Harvard Business School, young George W. Bush returned to Midland, TX, in
the late 1970s to follow his fathers footsteps in the oil business. Beginning in 
1978, he set up a series of limited partnerships  Arbusto
78, Arbusto 79, and so on  to drill for oil.
One
of President Bushs earliest financial backers was James Bath, a Houston
aircraft broker.  Bath served with
President Bush in the Texas Air National Guard. Bath has a mysterious connection to 
the Central Intelligence Agency.
According
to a 1976 trust agreement, Salem bin Laden appointed James Bath as his business 
representative in Houston.   Revelation
about Baths relationship with the bin Laden financial empire and the CIA was
made public in 1992 by Bill White, a former real estate business partner with
Bath. White informed federal investigators in 1992 that Bath told him that he
had assisted the CIA in a liaison role since 1976  the same year former
President George Herbert Walker Bush served as director of the CIA.
During
a bitter legal fight between White and Bath, the real estate partner disclosed
that Bath managed a portfolio worth millions of dollars for Sheik Khalid bin
Mahfouz and other wealthy Saudis. Among
the investments made by Bath with Mahfouzs money was the Houston Gulf
Airport.
A
powerful banker in Saudi Arabia, Mahfouz was one of the largest stockholders in
the Bank of Credit and Commerce International. BCCI was a corrupt global banking 
empire operating in 73 nations and was
a major financial and political force in Washington, Paris, Geneva, London, and Hong 
Kong.  Despite the appearance
of a normal banking operation, BCCI was actually an international crime
syndicate providing banking services to the M

Re: [CTRL] Islamic Terrorists are Afraid of Women


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Sorry Tenorlove, Hilliary has new job as senator and Monica Lewinsky
busy covering her tracks.and Paul Poundstone sitll in alcohol rehab.

Maybe we could bombard them with Slim Whitman record playing as they did
in tht one movie?

Oh Blanca Dove was it?

My God they would give up and head for the hills for you see this is
always where the Mafia heads when the heat is on to the hills, not to
the caves.

Saba

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Re: [CTRL] Cracks appear in Al Aqsa Mosque


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Call it poetic, er, architectural justice.

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Re: [CTRL] Cracks appear in Al Aqsa Mosque


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they explained it as greed and poor construction. They arrested the people
responsible.

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> Subject: Re: [CTRL] Cracks appear in Al Aqsa Mosque
>
> -Caveat Lector-
>
> Well then how do the Israelis explain the wedding party where how many
> people at a Jewish wedding were dancing and the entire buiding collapsed
> - it was said just like Core the earth just swallowed them up?
>
> Now who was the architect of this plan and were the building authorities
> really held responsible.   Was it sabotage on a glorified scale and
> human sacrifice or was it greed and poor construction.
>

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Re: [CTRL] Teacher fighting to keep her job

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> *   Cheryl Mulhearn, a teacher at Florosa, was reprimanded for allegedly
>  telling her class she wished that President Bush had been a victim of the
>  terrorist attacks.

  And if it had been a similar comment while Clinton was Prez, she would have
been promoted.  Glad to see you so happy about that dichotomy, Bill.

Samantha

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Re: [CTRL] Islamic Terrorists are Afraid of Women


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So we bomb them with female pigs 


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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: The worst is yet to come.


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While it may well be an attack - it seems that there have been many
outbreaks of it in the region

It may just be the result of lots of refugees and livestock all suddenly in
too close proximity to each other
-- -- -- -- -- - -- - -- -- - -  - - -- --- -- - - -  - -- - - - --
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Man's mind stretched to a new idea never goes back to its original
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> Crimean-Congo Haemorrhagic Fever

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Re: [CTRL] Stop UN Prosecution of our troops


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How many votes should we have?   You got to be kidding.

You think this country should bend before Zulu Nations?

Hey about that Israel almost got them for racism, right?

And US walks out in protest?

We have no business in that cess pool and this Head Zulu no matter how
much he pays for his suits, he is still a bum.

So on with the genocide only this time, count me and mine out.

Saba

How many votes should be have?
What are you some kind of a mutant?

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[CTRL] TOL: Satellite 'picks out bin Laden caves'


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A new and different slant on these bunkers, but hardly an improvement for
OBI over earlier reports ... and it is nice to learn that this finger of
land has a real name ...  the 'Wakhan corridor.'  --MS










WEDNESDAY OCTOBER 03 2001

Satellite 'picks out bin Laden caves'

BY ZAHID HUSSAIN IN ISLAMBAD AND MICHAEL EVANS, DEFENCE EDITOR


OSAMA BIN LADEN may be hiding in caves near a former Russian base in the
Pamir mountains close to the border between Afghanistan and Tajikistan,
according to reports in Pakistan.

Pakistani intelligence is convinced, the reports said, that bin Laden and
hundreds of his associates have taken refuge in an extremely inaccessible
nook of Pamir in the Wakhan corridor bordering Afghanistan, Tajikistan,
Pakistan and China.

A report published in a leading Pakistani newspaper claimed that bin
Laden's presence in the region had been confirmed by satellite and human
intelligence.

The Pamir mountains, known as the 'roof of the world', are a highly
treacherous range, 20,000ft to 25,000ft high, which would make it difficult
to find the exiled Saudi terrorist. The nearby former Russian military base
at Wakhan, near Kunduz, was built by the Soviet Union during its occupation
of Afghanistan in the 1980s.

Bin Laden was reported to have constructed a bunker in caves near the base
after two of his training camps in Afghanistan were attacked by American
Tomahawk cruise missiles in 1998. The caves have exit routes to Tajikistan,
China's Muslim-dominated Xinjiang province and Pakistan, where bin Laden
has support.

The reports claimed that Russian intelligence had informed the Americans of
the routes to the Pamir base. Pakistanms military Government has agreed to
share intelligence information with the United States.

Some observers believe, however, that Islamabad may try to withhold some
crucial information because of the fear that it might be passed to
Afghanistanms opposition Northern Alliance, which has its headquarters in
Badakhshan province, close to Wakhan.

Mark Galeotti, a Russian expert with Jane's Intelligence Review, said that
the geography of the Pamirs would not offer the ideal hiding place to bin
Laden, unless he had succeeded in constructing his own bunker inside the
mountain. He said there was no evidence that the Russians had built deep
bunkers in the area that could now be used by bin Laden. They had no need
for impregnable bunkers because their opponents had no heavy artillery, he
said.

He also rejected the suggestion in the Pakistani reports that the Russians
had built a bunker in the Pamir mountains to house tactical nuclear
weapons. Mr Galeotti said that considerable engineering expertise would
have been necessary to dig into the mountain to build a bunker.

The Pamir range is being watched by American spy satellites because of
reports a few years ago that bin Laden had constructed a command and
control centre in a natural cave system in Kunduz, near Tajikistan.

Most of the recent reports have suggested bin Laden has taken refuge inside
a deep cave in southern Afghanistan.


 Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT

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Re: [CTRL] Stop UN Prosecution of our troops


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how many votes should we have?
--  - --- -- ---
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Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is a force. Like fire, it
is a dangerous servant and a fearful master; never for a moment should it be
left to irresponsible action.


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> The UN is nothing but a Zulu Nation where we have one vote

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [GATA] Hearing in Howe case postponed a month; more jewellery promotion planned


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Keep on buying!

Tenorlove
wishing a cartel would suppress the price of opera tickets ;-D

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[CTRL] Raggedy Annie


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From
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h_1.html

}}}>Begin
Wednesday October 03 08:19 PM EDT
DETAINMENT ISN'T ENOUGH
By Ann Coulter
House leaders recently rejected the Bush administration's request for
authority to detain suspected terrorists indefinitely. Under the
House plan, the government could hold immigrants suspected of
terrorism for only seven days without bringing charges.
Let's hope seven days is enough for the government to perform a
thorough intelligence-based investigation of a million Muslim
immigrants!
Oddly, it would be easier to deport immigrants than to detain them.
Under the Constitution, visitors to this country have no right to be
here, but they may have a right not to be detained indefinitely
without a hearing.
War is being waged on our soil by noncitizen infiltrators, legally
admitted by the INS. If Congress says the attorney general can't
detain them, we ought to deport them. (From the "not ready to move
on" file: Isn't it curious that we have room for 19 Muslim mass
murderers, but no room for an innocent little Cuban boy? In addition
to deporting immigrants from terrorist-producing countries, someone
should look into deporting every person who ever worked for the INS.)
Any senator (Teddy Kennedy) who is opposed to the mass deportation of immigrants from 
suspect countries would be free to waive in as many potential terrorists as he could 
sign his name to. At least then we'd have true gov
ernment accountability, rather than collective foot-dragging based on pristine 
tributes to civil rights.
We won't even necessarily need to call on the fine-tuned screening procedures of the 
INS. The law could simply state that immigrants from certain countries aren't allowed 
to be here after a certain date, unless they recei
ve a waiver.
Admittedly, fanatics willing to launch monstrous suicide missions are probably also 
going to be willing to violate a general order of deportation. But it would raise the 
terrorists' transactions costs. At the very least,
noncitizen terrorists will have a tough time maneuvering around the country, becoming 
pilots, getting hazardous materials licenses and generally doing the things they need 
to do to nuke Manhattan.
Surely, thousands of immigrants could be waived in instantly on the basis of reliable 
evidence either that they are not Muslims, or that they are the peaceful, law-abiding 
variety not planning mass murder -- as opposed to
 the peaceful, law-abiding Muslims who recently slaughtered thousands of our fellow 
countrymen.
Among the advantages of a deportation presumption is that it would give the FBI 
increased opportunities to flip Muslim immigrants to informants -- a possibility 
unlikely to be lost on any terrorists looking for their own
new recruits.
A mass deportation order also ought to ease the way for "ethnic profiling." If 
noncitizens from various suspect countries were under an order to leave, all security 
personnel would have grounds to look for potential viola
tors of that law.
Everyone is profiling now anyway. No one talks about it, which allows liberals the 
luxury of ritualistically denouncing racial profiling. Ordinary Americans aren't going 
to die for political correctness. And airlines aren
't going to fly empty planes.
The facts are: (1) Nineteen male immigrants of Middle-Eastern descent recently 
murdered thousands of civilians on our shores in a coordinated attack; (2) other 
people answering to the same description have been apprehende
d in the country as suspected co-conspirators; and (3) according to the attorney 
general, there are more sleeper terrorist cells at large that the government has yet 
to identify.
Complaints about heightened suspicions toward people who fit the description of 
fanatical Islamists go well beyond opposing indiscriminate hate. It is a demand that 
Americans not even have their antennae up.
Focusing on men of Middle-Eastern appearance is less "profiling" than suspect 
identification. It is in keeping with the standard police practice of not looking for 
people over 6 feet tall when the eyewitnesses tell you th
e perp is 5 feet 2 inches. When looking for the Unabomber, I promise you -- the FBI 
wasn't rousting Asians or Arabs.
As unfair as it sounds, deporting immigrants from suspect countries will actually 
minimize cruelties toward vast numbers of vaguely Arabic-looking people. Although many 
immigrants will be swept up unfairly, all the Sikhs,
 Hindus and Arab Christians will be relieved to discover they don't scare people 
anymore.
To be sure, there is a risk that mass deportations might upset the delicate diplomatic 
maneuvering designed to bring the largest possible number of unsavory regimes into our 
"international coalition." On the other hand, s
ome countries in the "international coalition" might be forced to conclude that the 
Great Satan is smarter than they thought. This part of the plan ought to appeal to 
their primitive sense o

Re: [CTRL] Konformist: Greyhound Suspends Service Nationwide After Passengers Killed in Tennessee Crash (fwd)


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Jeremiah  8, vs 7:

The stork in the heaven knoweth her appointed time; and the turtle and
the crane and the swallow observe the time of their coming, but my
people now not the judgment of my Lord..


So Falwell explains that migratory birds know and live by and obey their
APPOINTED TIMESthey are obeying Gods Will and it is only naturala
that man, who lives at a higher level, should do the same.

vs. 17 - for log I will send serpents, cockatrices among youwhich will
not be charmed (The Cobra Cult?) and they shall bite you

Here again we have the sting of the Scorpion for this now is October and
the Fiery Serpents having hit once continue on and the Scorpions and
spiders eggs are among us?

vs. 21 and Shades of Black is Beautiful and Song of Solomon's Order of
the Lily and the Rose - "the harvest is pst, the summer is ended, and we
are not savedfor the hurt of the daughter of my people am I hurt.  I
am black, astonisment hath taken hold on me"..what is this - at last
the Black Rose appears?

I am Black but Comely or Black is Beautifulalll this cryptic crap is
enough to put you to work for ten years.

But their are messages being left behind in the ashes and in the bible
..

Note this guy took a bus with a knife when a gun would have sufficed?

So evidently this man could not get an airplane - so he uses a knife?
Would he have been on a plane if he could have passed through the
security - then we have the matter of the plane from Tel
Aviv.Russian plane-fire in the skies.
Stings of more scorpions whle an Armenian plane witnessed same?

Like Great Egyptian Thothmosis II - suicide planes?

Then we find Wormwood in these readings - waters to be poisoned or
drugged with viagra?

Jeramiah 9 vs. 16- I will send a sword after them until I have consumed
them.

And the Dragons whom Falwell claims are Jackels - the laughing Jackels -
wasn't their a spy once whom they called a Jackel?

And oh the hired mourners - they all appear -

Anyway that guy on the bus, had a knife not a gunso maybe some
plane somewhere is still enroute to a destination unknown and do not
know how lucky they are?

Croatia - mostly Catholic - like Madelline Albright is Catholic?

Saba

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: The worst is yet to come.

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> THE largest outbreak in history of a highly contagious disease that causes
>  patients to bleed to death from every orifice was confirmed yesterday on
>  Pakistan's frontier with Afghanistan.

  Oh, this cannot be a coincidence.  Somebody released this - either their
jihad or ours.  What a nightmare.

Samantha

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[CTRL] How it's done: " Why we fight."

2001-10-04 Thread Nurev Ind.

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 Original Message 
Subject: How it's done: " Why we fight."
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2001 00:33:59 -0400
Organization: Nurev Independent Research

10-03-01

Hello,

Remember when I posted all that information about the Council on Foreign
Relations? It was to help understand how things really work.

Well here's where it pays off.
See the links at the bottom of the Foreign Relations Committee testimony.

Nurev
===

  SUBCOMMITTEE ON ASIA AND THE PACIFIC: UNOCAL CORPORATION

   TESTIMONY

  BY

JOHN J. MARESCA

 VICE PRESIDENT, INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS

  UNOCAL CORPORATION

  TO

   HOUSE COMMITTEE ON INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS

  SUBCOMMITTEE ON ASIA AND THE PACIFIC

FEBRUARY 12, 1998

WASHINGTON, D.C.

Mr. Chairman, I am John Maresca, Vice President, International Relations,
of Unocal Corporation. Unocal is one of the world's leading
energy resource and project development companies. Our activities are
focused on three major regions -- Asia, Latin America and the
U.S. Gulf of Mexico. In Asia and the U.S. Gulf of Mexico, we are a
major oil and gas producer. I appreciate your invitation to speak
here today. I believe these hearings are important and timely, and I
congratulate you for focusing on Central Asia oil and gas reserves
and the role they play in shaping U.S. policy.

Today we would like to focus on three issues concerning this region,
its resources and U.S. policy:

The need for multiple pipeline routes for Central Asian oil and gas.

The need for U.S. support for international and regional efforts to
achieve balanced and lasting political settlements within Russia,
other newly independent states and in Afghanistan.

The need for structured assistance to encourage economic reforms
and the development of appropriate investment climates in the
region. In this regard, we specifically support repeal or removal
of Section 907 of the Freedom Support Act.

For more than 2,000 years, Central Asia has been a meeting ground
between Europe and Asia, the site of ancient east-west trade
routes collectively called the Silk Road and, at various points in
history, a cradle of scholarship, culture and power. It is also a region
of truly enormous natural resources, which are revitalizing
cross-border trade, creating positive political interaction and stimulating
regional cooperation. These resources have the potential to
recharge the economies of neighboring countries and put entire regions on
the road to prosperity.

About 100 years ago, the international oil industry was born
in the Caspian/Central Asian region with the discovery of oil. In the
intervening years, under Soviet rule, the existence

of the region's oil and gas resources was generally known, but
only partially or poorly developed.

As we near the end of the 20th century, history brings us full
circle. With political barriers falling, Central Asia and the Caspian are
once again attracting people from around the globe who are
seeking ways to develop and deliver its bountiful energy resources to the
markets of the world.

The Caspian region contains tremendous untapped hydrocarbon
reserves, much of them located in the Caspian Sea basin itself. Proven
natural gas reserves within Azerbaijan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan
and Kazakhstan equal more than 236 trillion cubic feet. The region's
total oil reserves may reach more than 60 billion barrels of oil
-- enough to service Europe's oil needs for 11 years. Some estimates are
as high as 200 billion barrels. In 1995, the region was producing
only 870,000 barrels per day (44 million tons per year [Mt/y]).

By 2010, Western companies could increase production to about 4.5
million barrels a day (Mb/d) -- an increase of more than 500
percent in only 15 years. If this occurs, the region would
represent about five percent of the world's total oil production,
and almost 20 percent of oil produced among non-OPEC countries.

One major problem has yet to be resolved: how to get the region's
vast energy resources to the markets where they are needed. There
are few, if any, other areas of the world where there can be
such a dramatic increase in the supply of oil and gas to the world market.
The solution seems simple: build a "new" Silk Road. Implementing
this solution, however, is far from simple. The risks are high, but
so are the rewards.

Finding and Building Routes to World Markets

One of the main problems is that Central Asia is isolated.
The region is bounded on the north by the Arctic Circle, on
the east and west
by vast land distances, and on the south by a series of natural
obstacles -- mountains and seas -- as

Re: [CTRL] Well ain't this fun . . . CTRL and ctrl

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> I think we should keep only one of them. It s better to have the list in a
> central way and not to sparse it. It will be easier for you as
administrator
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  I like the idea of a back-up.  If you go to YahooGroups and "edit your
membership" for the ctrl list, you can tell it not to send emails.  Then we
have a list to write to right away in case ListServ goes down again.  Just my
2 cents.

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can someone repost the article that mentioned the new settlements in israel, or point me to a source?
thanks

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[CTRL] new israeli settlements

Title: new israeli settlements




can someone repost the article that mentioned the new settlements in israel, or point me to a source?
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[CTRL] DailyTel: Bin Laden's secret goal is to overthrow the House of Saud


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Bin Laden's secret goal is to overthrow the House of Saud.

The Saudi fugitive is no madman

Sep 27, 2001
Daily Telegraph London
Author: Paul Michael Wihbey

Contrary to much of the conventional wisdom about Osama bin Laden, the
Saudi fugitive is hardly a madman. In fact, he has developed a stunningly
deceptive regional war calculus that stands a reasonable chance of success.
Despite the massive build-up of allied forces, bin Laden's strategy depends
on a set of well-conceived geopolitical assumptions that he fervently
believes can turn Western military capability to his strategic advantage.

His strongest belief is that Saudi Arabia can be brought to its knees, the
House of Saud deposed and a new theocracy, based on his version of a pure
and uncontaminated Islam, can rise to power in the Arabian peninsula.

Hoping to seize state power as Ayatollah Khomeini did in Iran in 1979, bin
Laden plans to use Afghanistan as a staging ground for self-declared
leadership in exile.

The overriding goal is to return to Saudi Arabia in triumph and put an end
to the existing regime. Such an accomplishment would dramatically tilt the
Middle Eastern balance of power in favour of radical forces led by Iraq,
Iran, Syria and, of course, the global terrorist network.

Even before the attacks on New York and Washington, bin Laden's power was
felt at the highest level of the Saudi regime. Several days before the
September 11 attacks, the Saudi chief of intelligence, who held that post
for 25 years, Prince Turki, brother of the Saudi foreign minister, was
abruptly fired from his post. Turki was hardly a man to be dismissed in
such fashion; he was responsible for Saudi affairs with Afghanistan and
Pakistan, and the Saudi liaison with American intelligence services. It
seems that Turki was the first high-ranking victim of a power struggle
between two competing factions in the Saudi royal family over how to deal
with American requests to neutralise bin Laden. Turki's removal from
authority portended further upheaval within the ruling elite of the House
of Saud.

Only two weeks later, and a week after the attack on America, reliable
reports strongly suggest that the ailing King Fahd flew to Geneva with a
massive entourage and now remains secluded behind the heavily protected
walls of private estates registered in the name of his European business
partners. To bin Laden, King Fahd's departure can only be considered a
victory in his campaign to rid Saudi Arabia of the contamination of
American rule through their surrogates in the House of Saud. With King
Fahd's health maintained on a 24-hour medical watch, and the Saudi royal
family divided between the conservative, religious faction of Crown Prince
Abdullah and that of the defence minister, King Fahd's full brother, Prince
Sultan, Saudi Arabia's future political course and, with it, the stability
of the Gulf is about to be decided. Bin Laden has waited for this since
1991, when he was cast aside by the Saudis for offering his fighting forces
in defence of the kingdom against Saddam Hussein.

Bin Laden is intimately aware of the fragility of the Saudi power
structure. He is the scion of a family, led by his father, Mohamed, that,
in the mid-1960s, engineered the transfer of the Saudi throne away from the
corrupt King Saud to the pious King Faisal. In effect, Mohamed bin Laden
was a king-maker and his son grew up with an intimate knowledge of the
personal proclivities and weaknesses of the senior members of the ruling
elite. He came to despise what he saw as a corrupt and malignant power
structure indistinguishable from the American political system. Undeterred
by deference and loyalty, he understood that the legitimacy of the Saudi
royal family could be undermined by championing an alternative, indigenous
religious ideology.

Large numbers of young disaffected Saudis felt increasingly alienated by a
regime that could neither defend itself by its own means nor maintain a
standard of living that has dropped from $18,000 per capita in the 1980s to
$6,000 in 2000. With a deteriorating economic and political environment,
bin Laden may decide that the time is approaching to activate the thousands
of Saudi dissidents in the kingdom who form the core of his support, and
thereby exploit the schism between Abdullah and Sultan to launch the
destabilisation of the Saudi monarchy. Militant protests and even
subversive military action targeting oil terminals and pipelines, as well
as attacks on civilian and military American assets in Saudi Arabia, could
disrupt American war plans and force them to think again about targeting
bin Laden, the Taliban and regional terrorist networks. It is this scenario
of internal Saudi confusion and political instability that bin Laden
considers the soft underbelly of American strategy. The more it is seen
that the Saudi royal family can no longer maintain internal cohesion and
consensus within the royal family, the greater the probability that Saud

[CTRL] Fwd: The worst is yet to come.




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http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/10/04/wref04.xml
Ebola-style killer virus sweeps Afghan border
By Tim Butcher in Quetta
(Filed: 04/10/2001)

THE largest outbreak in history of a highly contagious disease that causes
patients to bleed to death from every orifice was confirmed yesterday on
Pakistan's frontier with Afghanistan.

At least 75 people have caught the disease so far and eight have died. An
isolation ward screened off by barbed wire has been set up in the Pakistani
city of Quetta, and an international appeal has been launched for help.

Evidence suggests the outbreak of Crimean-Congo Haemorrhagic Fever emanates
from within Afghanistan, raising fears of an epidemic if millions of
refugees flee across the frontier into Pakistan.

CCHF has similar effects to the ebola virus. Both viruses damage arteries,
veins and other blood vessels and lead to the eventual collapse of major
organs.

As one doctor put it, a patient suffering from haemorrhagic fever "literally
melts in front of your eyes".

At the Fatima Jinnah Chest and General Hospital in Quetta, capital of the
Pakistani province of Baluchistan, an isolation ward with eight treatment
beds and two observation bays has been set up.

Nine-year-old Ismail Sadiq lay on one of the beds yesterday, his body
wracked with fever and a wad of cotton wool stuffed into each nostril to
stem the bleeding.

Outside members of his family sat anxiously in the shade of a tree. An
elderly gentleman worked a string of worry beads through his fingers, but
doctors had forbidden all visits.

The only people Ismail now sees are doctors and nurses wearing the complete
"barrier nursing" outfit of sterilised hairnet, mask, gloves, gown and
overshoes.

Another patient, a 65-year-old man, lay inert on his bed, with streams of
dried blood on his chin, nose and tongue. His shirt was also stained heavily
with blood.

Dr Akhlaq Hussain, the hospital's medical superintendent, said: "The first
cases came in June. There were a number of deaths, but at first we did not
know what was the cause."

A number of blood samples were sent to Pakistan's national virology testing
centre in Islamabad. They were then sent to South Africa's National
Institute of Virology in Johannesburg for confirmation.

Dr Hussain said: "When the results came back we knew we were dealing with
Crimean-Congo Haemorrhagic Fever." He has compiled a list of all 75 cases,
which involved refugees recently arrived from Afghanistan or people living
close to the border.

The first known case of the disease was among Russian soldiers serving in
the Crimea in 1944 and then among villagers living near the Congolese city
of Kisangani in 1956. Not until 1969 were scientists able to isolate the
single virus common to both.

Although there have been a number of cases since, the outbreaks have never
been as large as the current one.

The doctor said: "We had our first case in Pakistan in the 1970s. It would
seem there is a reservoir of the virus in Afghanistan and we are now worried
about the possible effects of an influx of many new refugees.

"The virus is carried by domestic animals, and if they come in large numbers
with large numbers of animals we can expect many more cases."

The authorities in Pakistan have appealed to the World Health Organisation
for additional supplies to help deal with the outbreak, including storage
facilities for clean blood plasma and white blood cells which can be used to
replace those lost by patients.

The virus is widely distributed in the blood of sheep, cattle and other
mammals across eastern Europe, Asia and Africa. It can be passed to man by a
species of tick, Hyalomma marginatum, common in the same areas.

If caught in time, CCHF can be treated by replacing enough of the lost body
fluids to allow the patient's own immune system to take over and kill the
virus.

The facilities at Fatima Jinnah are basic, but the staff are dedicated and
brave, treating patients even though there is a high risk of infection from
spittle or blood.

 2 October 2001: Mud hovels await fleeing Afghans
 1 October 2001: UN discovers donkey trains are only way to reach the
starving
 29 September 2001: Aid workers may be the Afghans' only hope
 27 September 2001: Plight of the starving Afghans
 26 September 2001: 1.5m Afghans heading for the borders
 24 September 2001: Solitude Hut waits for tide of Afghan refugees


Previous story: Militants from 20 nations ready to fight for Taliban
Next story: Warnings 'too vague' for CIA to stop attack

   External links

 Crimean-Congo Haemorrhagic Fever Fact sheet - World Health Organization

 World Health Organisation

 Afghanistan humanitairan update - United Nations Council for Refugees

 Islamic Republic of Pakistan

 In Afghanistan, a population in crisis - United Nations Children's Fund

 Situation in Afghanistan - Oxfam




























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[CTRL] Fwd: I type for the Master Jules




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Jules called me from Florida tonight, where he has a second home,
first is atop Mulholland in Bev Hills. I typed at least l00 chaps
for his book "I INVENTED THE EGO BECAUSE I FORGOT I WAS GOD" He
teaches the PROSPERITY material. And he lives it! Never has
charged a dime for his teachng, either. You can get a chapter a
week, from me, just ask! Anyway, he wrote this on 911 events and
if you belong to a real list, and are so moved, forward to them.
Love Anita

Title: jules911




FROM THE MASTER JULES
Trust in the events of September 11th for they will blast
a path, a trail, leading the entire planet into enlightenment. The tragedy
is a waking up process where the wealthy, industrialized nations
will see that they are responsible for this event.
The blame should not fall on the Al Qaeda, Taliban or P.L.O. It lies
with Britain, America, France, Spain, Portugual and Holland, as they essentially
have been of a colonial mind.
The terrorist's enraged attacks are the result of a colonial mentality
that existed five hundred years ago and which lives on today in that less
than model behavior, even though the colonizers never see themselves as
doing it. Their consciousness is capitalism, justified with the word 'democracy'
thus the political body sleeps deep in the dream that things have changed,
can change and will change when they have not.
The first change must be for the politicians to open themselves to openness.
Our individual part is simply our openness to spirit, our willingness to
meditate on the third world's feelings, needs and affirm and connect with
the Source which is the spiritual God Source that is our true nature before
we hang a flag or scream for revenge.
It is a matter of trust to know that all these negative events are creating
this opening. It is obvious that most of the people in the world live in
grinding poverty, worry, fear and lack of the good things that the developed
world takes for granted and enjoys.
The entire planet sees the disparity and no one ever does anything.
Imagine the desperation of these wonderful, beautiful, Godly, third world
people. The solution is sharing, giving the wealth to them in tree lined
streets, plumbing, light, homes, food, clothing and beautiful objects rather
than bombs and mines.
These people are without blame. We're not talking about the leaders,
the politicians, the Taliban or the terrorists. We're talking about the
people, the real people. The great majority, especially women and children,
live in fear. So let us give freely. The Pentagon's budget for one year
could take care of all the dusty slums of all the third world nations,
with their famine, disease, political and terrorist problems. Send help
to Afganistan, Palestine, Columbia, Africa and North Korea now.
In the higher consciousness of peace and love, we uplevel all mankind
to the garden of Eden and to Heaven on Earth. If we can't make that ascension,
we're going to make the other one. We're going to blow all of ourselves
to the Heaven that isn't on Earth.


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Re: [CTRL] Cracks appear in Al Aqsa Mosque


-Caveat Lector-

Well then how do the Israelis explain the wedding party where how many
people at a Jewish wedding were dancing and the entire buiding collapsed
- it was said just like Core the earth just swallowed them up?

Now who was the architect of this plan and were the building authorities
really held responsible.   Was it sabotage on a glorified scale and
human sacrifice or was it greed and poor construction.

So cracks appear in this building what did they expectat a mountain
where when Christ is expected to land and his heel hit the top cracking
same in two parts - at the bottom of this mountain 10 years ago, they
were drilling and tunneling?

All these tunnels - is there something else they might be looking for?

Why would FBI agent working for the KGB sell plans of tunnels to KGB for
Diamonds - for like Jihud Diamonds re forever and they both are
manufactured by the same hidden hands.

Saba

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[CTRL] Fwd: Play Sleuth with me!




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Title: theykne





TRACKING THE ELUSIVE TRUTH
WEB SOURCE ARTICLES edited by Anita Sands Hernandez [EMAIL PROTECTED]
If you were a mystery writer, say, an Agatha Christie chess brain, and
were confronted with a pair of corpses, two very tall, well loved, glamorous,
American TWINS) , you would review the clues with avidity wouldn't
you?
If you read every article in cyberspace, you would see, as researchers
do, that U.S. spooks knew the two, beautiful twins were a.) scheduled to
be offed, and b.) their death by fire would get you so crazy-flag-waving
that they could put a long, long war before you and you'd bite down on
it, hook and all.
The USA, CIA, NSC, Joint Chiefs, George Senior, and Dick Cheney, KNEW
the WTC attack was FINALLY, about to happen. You'll see it if you hold
the following clues in mind all at once:
1) ECHELON spies gave U.S authorities a 3 month
warning of attacks. A German paper reported U.S. and Israeli
intelligence agencies received warning signals at least three months ago
that terrorists were planning to hijack commercial aircraft to use as weapons
to attack important symbols of American culture, according to a
story in Germany's daily Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung http://wwwnewsbytes.com
2) The U.S. already in JULY 2001, had planned
to attack the Taliban before the WTC/Pentagon attacks: a former
Pakistani diplomat has told the BBC that the U.S.A. was planning military
action against Osama and the Taliban even before last weeks attacks. Niaz
Naik, a former Pakistani foreign secretary, was told by senior American
officials in mid-July that military action against Afghanistan would go
ahead by the middle of October. (BBC news 9-18-01)
EVIDENCE THAT The USA already planned and attack on the Taliban.
 http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/south_asia/newsid_155/1550366.stm
This former Paki diplomat told the BBC that the U.S was planning military
action against Osama Bin Laden and the Taliban even before last weeks
attacks. Niaz Naik, a former Pakistani foreign secretary, was told by senior
American officials in mid-July that military action against Afghanistan
would go ahead by the middle of October.
Mr Naik said U.S. officials told him of the plan at a U.N. sponsored
international, contact group on Afghanistan which took place in Berlin.
He told the BBC that at the meeting the us representatives told him that
unless Bin Laden was handed over swiftly, America would take military action
to kill or capture both Bin Laden and the Taliban leader, Mullah Omar.
The wider objective, according to Mr Naik, who is MIND YOU RETIRED and
a PAKI, would be to topple the Taliban regime and install a transitional
government of moderate (read manageable by US Oil men) Afghans in its place
- possibly under the leadership of the former Afghan King Zahir Shah.
Mr Naik was told that Washington would launch its operation from bases
in Tajikistan, (implying full Ruski
cooperation) where American advisers were already in place. He was
told that Uzbekistanwould also participate
in the operation and that 17,000 Russian troops were on standby to AID
IN THIS SEIZURE. (!) (At this point your AGATHA CHRISTIE CUI BONUM machinery
starts clicking and you realize that RUSSIA and USA had imperialist aims
related to that sand pit, i.e. it was to be pipeline for OIL biz between
the new Capitalistniks in the Aparatchik
Formerly known as Russia and the combined Bush/Houston/Global
Marine, Sta Fe Internat'l cum Kuwait forces, i.e. their brand
new corporation, only weeks old, merged September 4th, 2001.)
Naik had been told by his contacts that if the military action went
ahead it would take place before the snows started falling in Afghanistan,
by the middle of October at the latest. He said that he was in no doubt
that after the world trade center bombings this pre-existing us plan had
been built upon and would be implemented within two or three weeks and
he said it was doubtful that Washington would drop its plan even if Bin
Laden were to be surrendered immediately by the Taliban.
3.) Russia knew in advance...(obviously,
see above) proven by fact IT encouraged citizens to cash out dollars: Russian
press accounts and other activities by the russian government this summer
indicate that the russians knew in advance that something would happen
to america, including a "financial attack" against the u.s. during the
past three months, russian media and officials have encouraged citizens
to cash out of u.s. dollars pending an economic collapse there after an
"attack." http://www/newsmax.com 9-17-01
4) The FBI tracked a PILOT TERRORIST (currently
in custody) 2 weeks before attacks: "two weeks before the terrorist attacks
in new york city and Washington, D.C., FBI agents were at a flight school
in Oklahoma asking questions about a man now suspected of having a link
to those attacks", according to CNN.
"The fact that FBI agents were at the airman flight school in Norman,
Oklahoma, two weeks before any att

Re: [CTRL] Hello Anybody There?


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<< I have only gotten one letter all day yesterday and all night today -
just one letter?

Anybody else having a problem?   Did I tee anybody off?

Saba >>

Have you checked to see if you are pluged into the wall socket? Check your
antenna and clean all the birdie do-do off it.
Just some suggestions

Bill
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[CTRL] (Fwd) RE: [AlasBabylon] The End Game


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--- Forwarded message follows ---
I found this article very interesting. Thanks for posting it.


>From: alypius m. skinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent:Sunday, September 30, 2001 11:52
>To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject:[AlasBabylon] The End Game
>
>
>
>The End Game
>
>September 14, 2001
>
>That collector from Northern Virginia who introduced me to Sir
>Arthur Keith has admonished me to outline for you the debate
>going on in the halls of government between various factions of
>the inner party.
>
>Op Ed pieces are beginning to appear in our national newspapers
>which reflect that debate. Numerous articles are floating the
>trial balloon of "ending states"which harbor terrorists. In
>addition, several other press organs are breathing life back
>into a notion born of our most excellent imperial adventure over
>the skies of Serbia. In the words of an op-ed piece in the Wall
>Street Journal of 9-14-01, "any state that harbors or abets
>terrorists - or abuses its own citizens - forfeits its sovereign
>rights."
>
>In order to examine exactly what such a statement might mean in
>actual practice we must understand that the attack on the twin
>towers in Manhattan occurs within the context of a clearly
>defined imperial structure of rewards and punishments.
>
>The multi-racial empire of the old Soviet Union fragmented into
>its ethnic and racial components (collapsed to a lower order of
>complexity) because its centrally planned economy could not
>provide enough tangible benefits to all the constituent groups
>within that empire to purchase their continued allegiance. The
>young turks of the KGB decided that they would be better off and
>have more power with a smaller, ethnically cohesive Russian
>nation state.
>
>See Pillar 7, "The Collapse of Complex Societies"by Joseph
>Tainter.
>
>The same exact thing will happen to the United States if the
>empire can no longer provide tangible benefits to its citizens
>that justify the expense of the imperial adventure. And the
>expense of maintaining that empire has just increased
>dramatically - at least $20 billions in lost real estate, a $40
>billion anti-terrorism appropriation, plus untold costs
>associated with shutting down air travel and the financial
>markets for a week.
>
>Until now, the empire has been ruled by a financial system of
>rewards and punishments.
>
>The American consumer benefits from imports manufactured with
>cheap foreign labor. In addition, American consumers benefit
>from the availability of cheap credit to purchase those goods -
>cheap credit made possible by the recycling of the dollars we
>pay for those imported goods back into U.S. securities by the
>importing countries. Because of this basic circular money flow,
>Americans have been allowed to consume far beyond their means
>for decades, and it feels good. It is one hell of a seductive
>arrangement.
>
>In addition, our intellectual property laws (patent and
>copyright) guarantee a stream of payments from our trading
>partners in perpetuity that resemble tribute, and guarantee that
>our trading partners within the empire can never compete with
>the U.S. on an equal economic footing. Indeed, we cripple their
>ability to innovate and obtain patents of their own by hiring
>away their best and brightest at our overseas subsidiaries
>(thereby gaining ownership of their innovations) and by removing
>talented innovators from their native lands through 16(b) visas
>and immigration.
>
>Our trading partners are, in effect, permanent vassal states.
>
>Now you might reasonably ask, "why do they put up with this
>unbalanced system?"
>
>First, they are reasonably comfortable for the time being,
>largely because the United States debt balloon provides them
>with a large export market which allows them to provide
>employment for their people.>
>
>Second, because the dollar is used to settle so many trade
>transactions between nations other than the United States,
>non-U.S. participants in the empire are forced to hold very
>large dollar reserves - meaning that they have no choice but to
>buy our debt - so that they can trade with other nations (buy
>oil).
>
>Third and last are the financial punishments.
>
>A number of countries possess cheap labor and compete for the
>U.S. export market. Thus, we have the power to reduce access or
>close our markets to one country and open them to another and
>invest in that other country simultaneously so as to shift
>production from the country being punished.
>
>Next, our Asian trading partners have much higher savings rates
>than we do, meaning that the capital structures of their
>companies must have much higher ratios of debt to equity than
>ours in order to absorb and utilize that pool of savings. Thus,
>they become vulnerable to sudden withdrawals of foreign capital
>and attacks on their currencies despite their high domestic
>savings rates because of the leverage that those high savings
>rates create in

Re: [CTRL] is this thing on?


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thew asked, "isthis thing on?"

Did you pull it in?

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Talk about omens - nice doggie.

Prudy I bougoht these two beautiful sheepskin rugs ..from New
Zealand.

So, a little while ago I looked in the dining room and there stood my
dog Maxwell and she had scooted under the rug and was standing there
with the sheepskin over her..she did not try to shake it off like a
smart dog would do - she trailed around with it until it fell off.

It was then that I saw a great truth - Pit Bulls or Wolves in sheep
clothing.

Maybe my dog is psychic?   Was she trying to tell me something?

Anyway it was funny.Bad doggie.last night she was lying in the
center of one and I said that is a no no, bad doggie.

Speaking of wolves in sheepskins.wonder what Bill Clinton is doing
these days - he looked scared but Giuliano was succoring Hilliary and
she was laughing and smiling as the great pretender who cut the deal
with the World Trade Center, smilled, and smiled and smiles.

I hummed How Great Thou Art, all evening.

O'Saba
Who can tell the difference between the Sheep and the Pack.

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It's all about the "O" word!
http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=149495&article=10127

Caspian Oil and Gas: Challenges and Rewards
http://disc.server.com/Indices/149495.html

Compelling support to the "frame-up" theory
http://disc.server.com/Indices/149495.html

WTC - Japanese website with two new videos
http://disc.server.com/Indices/149495.html

George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography
http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=149495&article=10097

Do not fear the enemy, for your enemy can only take your life. It is far
better that you fear the media, for they will steal your HONOR. That
awful power, the public opinion of a nation, is created in America by a
horde of ignorant, self-complacent simpletons who failed at ditching and
shoemaking and fetched up in journalism on their way to the poorhouse. -
Mark Twain
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Re: [CTRL] Stop UN Prosecution of our troops


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Well maybe it is about time we accidently dropped some bombs on some of
these bastards that would attempt to destroy this country and its
constitution.

The UN is nothing but a Zulu Nation where we have one vote - cards
stacked against us, an we would be dealt Aces and Eights so long as we
continue membership.

UN used to be a good dream to many when it was Camelot, but today it is
nothing but Cess Pool and just plain trashy -

So now you know why we sent in Shirley Temple..

It would seem they like to wave red flag in front of the Damnyankees and
the Southern Cross - they better watch their step for America while slow
to anger, when it does anger - some of these assholes will go bury
themselves before we do

Saba

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