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`U.S. guarantees reflect bankruptcy'

By Guy Rolnik and Meirav Arlosoroff




The government's application to the United States for loan guarantees reflects the
country's dire economic situation, former finance minister Avraham Shochat told
Ha'aretz.

"This application is one of the heaviest indicators for Israel's weakness in the
international markets. In the 1990s Israel needed guarantees because it had to absorb
massive immigration and did not have sufficient foreign exchange reserves. Now the
story is different, because we have large forex reserves. The reason for the current
application is the dire economic crisis and the high interests charged from the
government both in Israel and abroad," Shochat explained.

"The guarantee is intended to finance the deficit and repay $12-$13 billion over the 
next
three years. Namely, in terms of being able to secure and repay loans, we have reached
bankruptcy. The public should know this will not boost the economy; the guarantees are
like oxygen for an economy that is in bad condition."

Israel has asked the U.S. administration for guarantees to secure $8 billion in the 
U.S.
bonds market. In addition, Israel asked for special defense aid of $4 billion. Although
the security aid is justifiable and needed, Shochat said, Israel must be aware of its
drawbacks: "The Defense Ministry has a surplus of foreign exchange and a shortage of
shekels. Let's say we get another billion dollars - we'll have lots of dollars, and 
the IDF
will buy even less in Israel and start directing even R&D budgets to the U.S. This will
certainly have an adverse effect on Israel's economy."

The treasury would not comment.
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BOB WOODWARD
Media Whore of the Year 2002
http://www.mediawhoresonline.net/woty02win.htm

The race for MWO Whore of the Year 2002 had everything seasoned WotY aficionados
could hope for - suspense, drama, intrigue, and a few unexpected twists and turns.

Two veteran powerhouses, Tim Russert of NBC Champion Shills and Bob "Woody"
Woodward of prestigious Washington Post Toady Farms emerged early to lead the
pack throughout. But there were some surprises.

Owing to a particularly grueling training regimen just prior to the race, including
identifying the Wellstone Memorial as her "Outrage of the Year" on CNN's Capitol Gang,
rookie and false favorite Margaret Carlson surged early on in the contest and finished
with an impressive show, close on the heels of her more experienced rivals.

Republican Pollster Frank Luntz, one of the hack world's rising stars, finished fourth.
Influence and prominence were not strong suits for Luntz, but his well-known,
nauseating compulsion to suck up to Bush, combined with a consistent failure to hide
his GOP credentials from audiences, earned him the favor of countless voters.

In what might have been one of the more surprising aspects of this year's race, Chris
"Tweety" Matthews and a disappointed and humiliated Whore of the Year 2001, Howard
Fineman, ran fifth and six, respectively. It is unclear whether spectators believed 
these
two had improved since last year, or simply that their uber-whore status now goes
unquestioned, rendering additional recognition superfluous.

Mickey Kaus finished seventh. His strengths of unrivaled predictability and banality 
were
not enough to overcome doubts about his relevance. Still, not a bad showing for a
blogger.

Dark Horse Ron Rosenbaum stunned the crowd as he was strong out of the gate and
running first early in the race.  Alas, he lost momentum in the final lap to finish 
eighth.
All in all, a better than expected performance for this newcomer most pros agree will 
be
one to watch in '03.

Sentimental favorite Dick Morris ran ninth, after first predicting he would not 
qualify, and
then predicting an easy win for himself.

A well-turned-out Pop Historian Michael Beschloss finished last in the field. While he
qualified because of his eagerness to squander an academic reputation for face time,
and diminish all historians by acting as any other garden variety dime-store media
whore, his relative obscurity dashed his hopes for a better showing this year.

In an interesting footnote to the race reminiscent of the 1972 Olympic marathon, a 
sleek
but lame Howard "Me Too" Kurtz entered the field out of nowhere at the home turn to
cross the finish line before the winners. (Kurtz's failure to qualify surprised many 
and
boosters launched a last minute write-in campaign).

In the end, the contest came down a fierce and contentious fight to the finish between
Russert and Woodward, both of whom had earned high marks throughout the year for
the consistency, intensity, and dishonesty of their bias and overt willingness to 
sacrifice
their journalistic integrity at the altars of exposure and corporate bosses.

Both were credited with steady, precipitous falls from respectability over time, and 
this
common factor more than any other determined their strong finishes.

Russert's deterioration was seen as significantly more rapid and steep than Woody's.
But in the end, it was Woody's longer-term decline, marked by stark and symbolic
differences between where he started and where he ended up, that would carry him to a
triumphant victory.

Contrasts were drawn between the power-challenging, authority-questioning Watergate
investigative reporter of the 1970's, and the obscenely slavish celebrity-reporter of 
the
New Millennium, who employs bizarre and dishonest devices in his writing to achieve
the outcomes his powerful patrons desire.

For this year's voters, the extreme and tragic transformation of Bob "Woody" Woodward
- and his decadent journey from "All the President's Men" to "Ten Days in September" -
represented a poignant microcosm of the national mainstream media's deterioration
over the last thirty years.

So take a walk around the winner's circle, Bob Woodward.

You're the new MWO Media Whore of the Year - 2002!

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Re: [CTRL] What God Thinks of Race Mixing

2003-01-12 Thread Nessie SFBG

Title: Re: [CTRL] What God Thinks of Race
Mixing
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>Race Mixing An
Abomination to God

God happens to be a personal friend of mine and I asked God about this
and God told me personally that you're full of crap.

Frankly, I was a bit shocked.

"Such language," I said, "and from Your mouth, too."

And God said, "Look, I'm God. I can say anything I damn please.
Besides, what the hell's wrong with crap? Crap is good. There's
nothing wrong with crap. I know. I created the damn stuff. It's one
of My finest achievements. Crap is useful. Crap is very useful. But
you're supposed to put it on your garden, not between your
ears."


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[CTRL] For your attention

2003-01-12 Thread Alamaine Ratliff

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Who's Bush going to war with? The poor
Charlotte Denny
Sunday January 12 2003
The Observer


We are the masters now, is the message coming loud and clear from the Republicans - 
not just in foreign policy but also when it comes to domestic politics.

On the campaign trail two years ago, George Bush promised a new world of compassionate 
conservatism. But, judging by last week's much-hyped tax cut plan, it is the rich Mr 
Bush feels compassion towards.

According to independent analysis, the top 1% of taxpayers will be $89,000 a year 
better off as a result, while the average middle class American will see just $265 cut 
off his/her tax bill. President Bush brands critics of his tax cut plan as exponents 
of class warfare. Class warfare it certainly is - conducted by the White House on 
behalf of the richest group of Americans.

The Republicans argue that the centrepiece of the plan - the abolition of taxes on 
dividends - will help the whole economy by reviving the battered stock prices and 
providing money for firms to invest.

In the United States the shares market plays the same role as the housing market does 
in Britain in supporting consumer spending. But most of the benefits of the 
president's package will go to the tiny group of rich citizens who hold shares 
directly.

As in Britain, most American households own shares through pension funds, which are 
already exempt from tax. The independent Tax Policy Centre estimates that 40% of the 
$360bn cost to the American treasury over the next 10 years will be captured by the 
wealthiest 1% of taxpayers.

Because most institutions buying and selling shares will not benefit from the plan, 
the boost to prices will be less than the administration hoped for. That could be a 
blessing in disguise - the economy is still working through the consequences of the 
last share market bubble and the enormous overhang of investment capital it created.

The last thing Wall Street needs now is a White House-sponsored bubble to follow the 
dotcom boom.

As Stephen Lewis of Monument Securities has pointed out, investment spending is 
depressed because companies are still trying to deal with the hangover from the last 
party. Encouraging a further bout of overinvestment is not likely to make capital 
spending profitable again.

The market appears to have already worked this out. Share prices soared ahead of the 
president's heavily trailed plan, but by the time Mr Bush began speaking the euphoria 
had already worn off.

Over the week the widest index of American share prices, the S&P 500, rose a 
measly 2.5% - well below the 10% increase the administration had hoped for.

If share prices are unlikely to provide the panacea for faltering confidence the 
administration is looking for, their other justification for the plan - that it will 
provide a direct fiscal boost - also seems flawed.

Standard Keynesian economics recommends letting borrowing rise when the economy is 
weak. The US economy needs help now, but most of the benefits of this package will 
start to take effect in a few years' time and will simply add to the already 
ballooning deficit.In addition, most of the money is being handed back to the rich who 
are much more likely to sit on the extra dosh than they are to spend it.

Karl Rove, Mr Bush's political mastermind, apparently persuaded him at the last minute 
that, rather than going for a refund on half of the dividend tax, he should go for the 
whole hog, doubling the cost of the package at a stroke. The reasoning appears to have 
been nakedly political: it puts Democrats in Congress in a difficult position by 
forcing them to vote against the package and thereby gain a reputation for being 
against giving people's money back to them. This is still a country which - even after 
the September 11 attacks - still distrusts what it calls "big" government.

This is a return to the Reaganite sup ply-side theories which the current president's 
father once derided as "voodoo economics". The fundamentalist core of the Republican 
party has never stopped believing that cutting taxes is the route to growth, never 
mind if the budget deficit balloons as a result. The consequences are more likely to 
be negative for growth - a larger structural deficit that will crowd out private 
investment and push up long-term interest rates.

Mr Rove may have misjudged the appetite of Americans for this brand of happy-clappy 
economics. Even some rightwing Republicans in Congress are worried that the plan will 
cause long-term deterioration in the budget position, while moderate Republicans are 
alarmed by its egregious redistribution to the rich.

Moreover, it is a risky political and economic move at a time when Mr Bush is 
considering a war in the Middle East which could

[CTRL] For your attention

2003-01-12 Thread Alamaine Ratliff

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To see this story with its related links on the Guardian Unlimited site, go to 
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Supermarket giants to target Safeway with rival Â£3bn bids
Neil Hume
Sunday January 12 2003
The Observer


A fierce battle for control of Safeway will spill out into the open this week with J 
Sainsbury and Wal-Mart, the US owner of Asda, both expected to bid over £3bn to 
acquire Britain's fourth-largest supermarket chain.

Safeway was effectively put up for sale by its management last week when it agreed to 
be taken over by Wm Morrison, the Yorkshire-based grocery chain run by Sir Ken 
Morrison, in a deal worth £2.65bn.

However, Morrison's share price dropped sharply after the deal was announced, leaving 
it vulnerable to a counter bid from rivals who cannot afford to see the two chains 
combine.

Sainsbury fears that it will be left as the weakest of the four players in the 
cut-throat UK food retailing market if the deal goes ahead, while Wal-Mart will never 
achieve its ambition to become the No1 in Britain if it lets Safeway fall through its 
grip again - the two were just hours from agreeing a deal four years ago.

Sainsbury's directors held day-long discussions yesterday with the chief executive, 
Sir Peter Davis, seeking support for a cash and share offer of more than 300p for each 
Safeway share.

At the end of Friday's trading, Safeway shares closed at 279.75p, while the value of 
Morrison's offer stood at 251p.

An offer from Sainsbury could come as early as today, alongside the company's 
third-quarter results, which will the give the City the first indication of how 
Sainsbury traded over Christmas.

Wal-Mart, the world's biggest retailer, is expected to wait until Sainsbury has shown 
its hands before announcing its move. Given its size the Arkansas-based company will 
easily be able to outbid Sainsbury and is likely to offer cash. City analysts believe 
it could afford to pay up to 400p.

The bids from Sainsbury and Wal-Mart will be conditional on regulatory approval. This 
is because their announcement will trigger an assessment by the office of fair trading 
and probably a referral to the competition commission, which will then launch an 
inquiry into whether either company should be able to buy Safeway.

This process could take up to six months and its findings can, in theory, be overruled 
by the trade and industry secretary, Patricia Hewitt.

A combination of Sainsbury and Safeway would create a food retailing giant in the UK 
with a market share of 27%, while a merged Asda and Safeway would control 26%. Either 
deal would reinforce the dominance of the big three - the Tesco, the market leader, 
Asda and Sainsbury. Critics claim this would stifle competition.

To overcome such objections both Sainsbury and Wal-Mart are prepared to sell up to 
one-third of Safeway's 479 stores.

Ironically, the two companies held talks about a carve up of the Safeway store 
portfolio late last year, but the discussions broke down last month after Wal-Mart 
objected to the terms of the deal.

Sainsbury is now talking to the US private equity group Kohlberg Kravis Roberts and 
the Royal Bank of Scotland.

However, there were indications from Whitehall yesterday that the government would 
block the Sainsbury and Wal-Mart bids even if both companies promised to sell large of 
numbers of stores.

This would play into the hands of Morrison, which claims that its deal will create a 
fourth power in the UK food retailing market. The company will make its submission to 
the OFT this week and is confident it will not be referred to the competition 
commission.

Morrison needs to buy Safeway so that it can expand out of its northern heartland. At 
the moment only eight of its 191 stores are south of Northampton.

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WSWS : News & Analysis : Europe : Germany

German Christian Democratic official gives interview to pro-Nazi newspaper

By Marius Heuser
13 January 2003

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The German state of Brandenburg has for the past few years been at the centre of
activities by the extreme right. Since 1990 nearly 20 people have been killed by neo-
Nazis. At the end of last year a new case came to light. Three young men from
Brandenburg were arrested after they had dragged a 17-year-old youth onto deserted
agricultural grounds where they tortured him to death and finally dumped his body in a
cesspit. The reason given by the fascist offenders was that their victim looked as if 
he
was left-wing.

The connections of the right-wing scene extend to the Brandenburg Verfassungsschutz
(the office responsible for the defence of the constitutionthe official name of the
German secret police). This was confirmed in the recent trial against the neo-Nazi Toni
Stadler, from Cottbus, after Judge Hans-Jürgen Brüning came to the conclusion that
the Verfassungsschutz had covered up the criminal offences committed by the
accused and could have prevented this crime.

It is not only lower levels of the Brandenburg secret police which have connections to
the extreme right wing. These connections reach up to the head of the service. Four
days after the pronouncement of judgement in the Stadler case, the extreme-right
weekly paper Junge Freiheit published an interview with the minister of the interior of
Brandenburg, Jörg Schönbohm (CDU Christian Democratic Union).

The very fact that Schönbohm gave an interview to this paper constitutes an open
display of solidarity with the extreme right. The Junge Freiheit paper is regarded as 
the
leading mouthpiece of the so-called new right in Germany and has, as a result, been
put under surveillance by the intelligence services of another German state, Baden-
Württemberg.

The content of Schönbohms statements in the Junge Freiheit also unambiguously fall
into line with the political positions held by spectrum of the extreme right. Besides 
taking
up the well-known hobbyhorses of the conservative right wingfamily, nation, law and
order and hostility to immigrantsSchönbohm mockingly comments on the officially
sanctioned fight against the right wing in Germany. He derides the rituals of anti-
fascist struggle and denigrates such activity.

Schönbohm claims that the fight against right-wing extremism was itself responsible for
the increase of right-wing criminal offences. When the rebellion of the responsible 
and
the decent against the right reached its climax, so did the number of right-wing
offences. Since this movement has begun to fade, the number of offences has also
clearly declined.

Schönbohm is referring here to German Chancellor Gerhard Schröder. Two years ago
Schröder reacted to widespread indignation at the increasingly bold activities of 
right-
wing skinheads and neo- Nazis by calling for a rebellion by decent people. The mass
demonstrations which followed were supported by all the parties represented in German
parliament and effectively covered up their own role in the growth of xenophobia. But 
for
Schönbohm even such state-sponsored demonstrations went too far. He is proud of
proclaiming that he did not take part in these marches.

Schönbohms remarks concerning the last federal elections also reveal an extreme
right-wing cast of mind. Referring to the opposition of the CDU towards liberalisation 
of
German laws governing citizenship (double citizenship), he adds an additional point,
claiming that naturalised immigrants were responsible for the defeat of the CDU in
federal elections last September. Asked about the reasons for the defeat he answered:
We must not forget the naturalisations that have already taken place because of
possible double citizenship. I assume that this decision was made by the SPD
(German Social Democratic Party) and the Greens first of all with the elections and not
integration in mind. With a wafer-thin margin between the government and opposition,
this new group decided the elections.

Schönbohm regards Germanys SPD-Green government as a conspiracy aimed at
undermining the foundations of society. The former German army general explained to
Junge Freiheit: We have lost a battle, but not the campaign Indeed, during their
election campaign the SPD and Greens covered up their real plans for their second
term in office, the completion of their own social conceptions. The milestones of this
path are double citizenship, immigration laws, disintegration of the family, homosexual
marriages, increase in nationalised industry, the rejection of a performance- oriented
society, negation of elitism, policies for minorities at the cost of the majority, 
limitation of
Germanys military capabilities and destabilisation of NATO For the

Re: [CTRL] Ezekiel 31 Shows There Were People In The Garden Of God Besides Adam And Eve

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Please turn with us to the book of Blah Blah Blah; to chapter 31 where we
read:



1). "And it came to pass...that the word of the Blah Blah Blah came
unto me, saying,



2). Son of man, speak unto Pharaoh king of Egypt, and to his
multitude; Whom art thou like in thy greatness?



3). Behold, the Assyrian was a cedar (A BLAH BLAH BLAH) in Lebanon
with fair branches, and with a shadowing shroud, and of an high stature; and
his top was among the thick boughs.



4). The waters made him great, the deep set him up on high with her
rivers running round about his plants, and sent out her little rivers unto
all the Blah Blah Blahs (BLAH BLAH BLAH) of the field.



5). Therefore his (THE ASSYRIAN) height was exalted above all the
Blah Blah Blahs (TALLER THAN THE OTHER BLAH BLAH BLAH) of the field, and his
boughs were multiplied (HAD MANY CHILDREN), and his branches became long
because of the multitude of waters, when he shot forth.



6). All the fowls of heaven made their nests in his boughs, and
under his branches did all the beasts of the field bring forth their young,
and under his shadow dwelt all great nations (countries).



7), Thus was he fair in his greatness, in the length of his
branches; for his foot was by great waters. (NOW WE CHANGE AND GO TO THE
BLAH BLAH BLAH)



8). The cedars (BLAH BLAH BLAH) in the GARDEN OF BLAH BLAH BLAH
could not hide him: the fir Blah Blah Blahs (Blah Blah Blah) were not like
his boughs (SEE THE COMPARISON, THUS WE KNOW THAT THERE WERE OTHER BLAH BLAH
BLAH THERE TO COMPARE WITH HIM), and the chestnut Blah Blah Blahs (their
children - or Blah Blah Blah) were not like his branches (HIS CHILDREN - OR
BLAH BLAH BLAH); NOR ANY BLAH BLAH BLAH IN THE GARDEN OF BLAH BLAH BLAH was
like unto him in his beauty (SEE WE KNOW THE BLAH BLAH BLAHS IN THE GARDEN
WERE BLAH BLAH BLAH BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT LIKE THE ASSYRIAN IN BEAUTY -
BECAUSE THEY WERE OF A DIFFERENT COLOR, THEY WERE NOT WHITE. THAT IS NOT
RACIST IT IS SIMPLY A FACT, EVEN IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT. FOR BLAH BLAH BLAH
HAS NEVER CARED WHAT WE LIKE OR DON'T LIKE WHEN HE SPEAKS, WE EITHER ACCEPT
IT OR REJECT IT TO OUR HURT).



9). I have made him fair (WHITE) by the multitude of his branches
(CHILDREN): so that ALL THE BLAH BLAH BLAHS (BLAH BLAH BLAH) OF EDEN THAT
WERE IN THE GARDEN OF BLAH BLAH BLAH, ENVIED HIM (BLAH BLAH BLAHS CANNOT
ENVY EACH OTHER, ONLY BLAH BLAH BLAH CAN DO THAT).



   10). Therefore thus signified the Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah;
Because thou hast lifted up thyself in height, and he hath shot up his top
among the thick boughs, and his heart (BLAH BLAH BLAHS DO NOT HAVE HEARTS)
lifted up in his height;



   11), I have therefore delivered him (NOW BLAH BLAH BLAH IS SPEAKING
OF BLAH BLAH BLAH) into the hand of the mighty one of the heathen: he shall
surely deal with him: I have driven him out (DRIVEN BLAH BLAH BLAH OUT OF
THE BLAH BLAH BLAH, BECAUSE OF HIS DISOBEDIENCE TO ALMIGHTY BLAH BLAH BLAH)
for his wickedness.



   12). And strangers (BLAH BLAH BLAH OF OTHER RACES), the terrible of
the nations, have cut him off and have left him: upon the mountains and in
all the valleys his branches (SEE HE IS AGAIN COMPARING HIM WITH A BLAH BLAH
BLAH) are fallen by all the rivers of the land; and all the Blah Blah Blah
of the earth are gone down from his shadow, and have left him (HERE IS WERE
THE DEPARTING OF THE VARIOUS RACES LEFT THE GARDEN OF BLAH BLAH BLAH - THE
BLAH BLAH BLAH AND WERE SCATTERED ALL ACROSS THE EARTH, AWAY FROM BLAH BLAH
BLAH AND HIS BLAH BLAH BLAH. THUS BLAH BLAH BLAH SEGREGATED THE RACES FROM
EACH OTHER, SO THEY COULD NOT MIX; WHICH IS AGAINST BLAH BLAH BLAH'S LAW OF
KIND AFTER KIND).



   13). Upon his ruin shall all the fowls of the heaven remain, and all
the beasts of the field shall be upon his branches (HERE BLAH BLAH BLAH IS
SAYING THAT BLAH BLAH BLAH'S CHILDREN WOULD ALWAYS BE ATTRACTED TO THE BLACK
RACE - THE BEAST OF THE EARTH);



   14). To the end that none of all the Blah Blah Blahs by the waters
exalt themselves for their height, neither shoot up their top among the
thick boughs, neither their Blah Blah Blahs stand up in their height, all
that drink water: for they are all delivered unto death (ALL MANKIND WILL
DIE BECAUSE OF BLAH BLAH BLAH'S SIN), to the nether parts of the earth (IN
OTHER WORDS ALL BLAH BLAH BLAH EVERYWHERE, NO MATTER WHAT RACE WOULD DIE IN
THEIR TIME), in the midst of the children of men, with them that go down to
the pit (grave).



   15). Thus signified the Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah; In the day
when he (BLAH BLAH BLAH) went down to the grave (PIT) I caused a mourning: I
covered the deep for him, and I restrained the floods thereof, and the great
waters were stayed: and I caused Lebanon to mourn for him, and all the Blah
Blah Blahs (BLAH BLAH BLAH) of the field fainted (HERE AGAIN BLAH BLAH BLAHS
DO NOT FAINT, ONLY BLAH BLAH BLAH DO THAT) fo

[CTRL] Ezekiel 31 Shows There Were People In The Garden Of God Besides Adam And Eve

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Please turn with us to the book of Ezekiel; to chapter 31 where we read:

1). "And it came to pass...that the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,

2). Son of man, speak unto Pharaoh king of Egypt, and to his multitude; Whom 
art thou like in thy greatness?

3). Behold, the Assyrian was a cedar (A TREE) in Lebanon with fair branches, 
and with a shadowing shroud, and of an high stature; and his top was among the thick 
boughs.

4). The waters made him great, the deep set him up on high with her rivers 
running round about his plants, and sent out her little rivers unto all the trees 
(PEOPLE) of the field.

5). Therefore his (THE ASSYRIAN) height was exalted above all the trees 
(TALLER THAN THE OTHER PEOPLE) of the field, and his boughs were multiplied (HAD MANY 
CHILDREN), and his branches became long because of the multitude of waters, when he 
shot forth.

6). All the fowls of heaven made their nests in his boughs, and under his 
branches did all the beasts of the field bring forth their young, and under his shadow 
dwelt all great nations (countries).

7), Thus was he fair in his greatness, in the length of his branches; for his 
foot was by great waters. (NOW WE CHANGE AND GO TO THE GARDEN OF EDEN)

8). The cedars (PEOPLE) in the GARDEN OF GOD could not hide him: the fir trees 
(people) were not like his boughs (SEE THE COMPARISON, THUS WE KNOW THAT THERE WERE 
OTHER PEOPLE THERE TO COMPARE WITH HIM), and the chestnut trees (their children - or 
people) were not like his branches (HIS CHILDREN - OR PEOPLE); NOR ANY TREE IN THE 
GARDEN OF GOD was like unto him in his beauty (SEE WE KNOW THE TREES IN THE GARDEN 
WERE PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT LIKE THE ASSYRIAN IN BEAUTY - BECAUSE THEY WERE OF A 
DIFFERENT COLOR, THEY WERE NOT WHITE. THAT IS NOT RACIST IT IS SIMPLY A FACT, EVEN IF 
YOU DON'T LIKE IT. FOR GOD HAS NEVER CARED WHAT WE LIKE OR DON'T LIKE WHEN HE SPEAKS, 
WE EITHER ACCEPT IT OR REJECT IT TO OUR HURT).

9). I have made him fair (WHITE) by the multitude of his branches (CHILDREN): 
so that ALL THE TREES (PEOPLE) OF EDEN THAT WERE IN THE GARDEN OF GOD, ENVIED HIM 
(TREES CANNOT ENVY EACH OTHER, ONLY PEOPLE CAN DO THAT).

10). Therefore thus saith the Lord God; Because thou hast lifted up thyself in 
height, and he hath shot up his top among the thick boughs, and his heart (TREES DO 
NOT HAVE HEARTS) lifted up in his height;

11), I have therefore delivered him (NOW GOD IS SPEAKING OF ADAM) into the 
hand of the mighty one of the heathen: he shall surely deal with him: I have driven 
him out (DRIVEN ADAM OUT OF THE GARDEN OF EDEN, BECAUSE OF HIS DISOBEDIENCE TO 
ALMIGHTY GOD) for his wickedness.

12). And strangers (PEOPLE OF OTHER RACES), the terrible of the nations, have 
cut him off and have left him: upon the mountains and in all the valleys his branches 
(SEE HE IS AGAIN COMPARING HIM WITH A TREE) are fallen by all the rivers of the land; 
and all the people of the earth are gone down from his shadow, and have left him (HERE 
IS WERE THE DEPARTING OF THE VARIOUS RACES LEFT THE GARDEN OF GOD - THE GARDEN OF EDEN 
AND WERE SCATTERED ALL ACROSS THE EARTH, AWAY FROM ADAM AND HIS PEOPLE. THUS GOD 
SEGREGATED THE RACES FROM EACH OTHER, SO THEY COULD NOT MIX; WHICH IS AGAINST GOD'S 
LAW OF KIND AFTER KIND).

13). Upon his ruin shall all the fowls of the heaven remain, and all the 
beasts of the field shall be upon his branches (HERE GOD IS SAYING THAT ADAM'S 
CHILDREN WOULD ALWAYS BE ATTRACTED TO THE BLACK RACE - THE BEAST OF THE EARTH);

14). To the end that none of all the trees by the waters exalt themselves for 
their height, neither shoot up their top among the thick boughs, neither their trees 
stand up in their height, all that drink water: for they are all delivered unto death 
(ALL MANKIND WILL DIE BECAUSE OF ADAM'S SIN), to the nether parts of the earth (IN 
OTHER WORDS ALL PEOPLE EVERYWHERE, NO MATTER WHAT RACE WOULD DIE IN THEIR TIME), in 
the midst of the children of men, with them that go down to the pit (grave).

15). Thus saith the Lord God; In the day when he (ADAM) went down to the grave 
(PIT) I caused a mourning: I covered the deep for him, and I restrained the floods 
thereof, and the great waters were stayed: and I caused Lebanon to mourn for him, and 
all the trees (PEOPLE) of the field fainted (HERE AGAIN TREES DO NOT FAINT, ONLY 
PEOPLE DO THAT) for him.

16). I made the nations to shake at the sound of his fall (WHEN ADAM FELL ALL 
THE VARIOUS RACES AND NATIONS ON EARTH KNEW OF HIS FALL AND SHOOK WITH FEAR AND 
SADNESS), when I cast him down to hell (THE GRAVE) with them that descend into the 
pit; and all the trees of Eden (PEOPLE), the choice and best of Lebanon, all that 
drink water, shall be comforted (HERE AGAIN TREES CANNOT BE COMFORTED) in the neither 
parts of the earth.

17). They also went down int

Re: [CTRL] Burning whats?

2003-01-12 Thread iNFoWaRZ

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At 11:46 PM 1/12/03 , you wrote:
>-Caveat Lector-
>
>Yeah people like you say that the Rockefellers are presbretians also but they are 
>jews

Prove Ramsey Clark is a Jew.

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Re: [CTRL] Burning what's?

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Congrats Willie

The first time I have ever seen this list in complete agreement - I guess
you really must BE an ignorant racist asswipe. Now all of that can be
changed, but unfortunately, you also happen to be to damned stupid to do
anything about it.

on 01/12/03 11:46 PM, Willie Martin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> -Caveat Lector-
>
>  Yeah people like you say that the Rockefellers are presbretians also but they
> are jews

--
"He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my

contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the

spinal cord would fully suffice. This disgrace to civilization should be

done away with at once. Heroism at command, senseless brutality, deplorable

love-of-country stance, how violently I hate all this, how despicable and

ignoble war is;  I would rather be torn to shreds than be a part of so base

an action! It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is

nothing but an act of murder."

 -- Albert Einstein

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Re: [CTRL] Burning whats?

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   Yeah people like you say that the Rockefellers are presbretians also but they are 
jews

iNFoWaRZ wrote:

> -Caveat Lector-
>
> At 10:36 AM 1/12/03 , you wrote:
> >-Caveat Lector-
> >
> >Ramsey Clark is a damn perverted blood thirsty jew
>
> Although Clark has a rather tainted background, and his patriotic intentions should 
>be scrutinized, one thing Clark is not, is a Jew.  He is of British descent and was 
>raised in a Presbyterian Family. Willie lies.
>
> A Bio on Clark:
> http://i-p-o.org/Clark.htm
> Note ties to Secret Societies and men of dubious character.
> -
> -iNFoWaRZ
> Willie is a bible twister extraordinaire, and a Masonic Brit-Israel Identity pusher.
> Cross through the Crown, Right Willie?
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Re: [CTRL] What God Thinks of Race Mixing

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   Like I said

flw wrote:

> -Caveat Lector-
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> >You obviously don't understand what the study was about.
> > Is the reason that you are married to a nigger or some other
> > alien race?
>
> An example of the mindless blatherings of racialist, tribalist idiots
> that remind us all of the dangers of incest and interbreeding.
> flw
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[CTRL] [Fwd: Silence & Forgetting]

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A point from below worth emphasizing:

"We have forgotten that democracy is a dangerous business. Built into
the Constitution is the notion that a free people should thwart its
leaders if necessary. This is our duty, the price of our freedom.
Leaders hate to be thwarted; it is in the nature of power to
consolidate itself."

May we remember.  May we no longer be silent...


> http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0110-01.htm
>
> Published on Friday, January 10, 2003 by the San Francisco Chronicle
>
> Silence and Forgetting
>
> by Jon Carroll
>
>
> IN ANY DISCUSSION on the probable conflict in Iraq, people in favor
> of such a war frequently mention Neville Chamberlain at Munich. The
> lesson of Chamberlain's infamous meeting with Hitler is obvious:
> Appeasement does not work with madmen or with dictators. Rather than
> bringing peace, it only promotes a longer and more horrible war.
>
> The analogy is not exact, but it is in the nature of analogies to be
> inexact. But the message is clear enough: Silence or cowardice in the
> face of tyranny is unjustified both morally and practically.
>
> So when a nation announces that it now feels free to act with force
> against perceived threats rather than waiting for actual attacks, we
> should pay attention. We should understand that the leader of the
> nation is now willing to bomb cities and deploy armies whenever and
> wherever he feels threatened. When the leader says he would not
> need "absolute proof" of the perceived threats, we should pay
> attention. We should not pretend that things are still the same when
> they are not still the same. We should not forget the lesson of
> Munich.
>
> When a regime says it no longer rules out first strikes with nuclear
> weapons, we should do whatever we can to urge our allies to work
> against such a regime. The more powerful a nation is, the larger its
> armies, the greater the need for noise rather than silence, for
> remembering rather than forgetting, for courage rather than
> cowardice.
>
> THE LEADER WHOSE policies I have been describing is George W. Bush.
> The lesson of Munich is that it is necessary to speak out against
> tyranny, no matter how dangerous that becomes. It is hard for us to
> think of our own government as the villain; in today's fervid
> atmosphere, such talk is almost treasonous.
>
> We have forgotten that democracy is a dangerous business. Built into
> the Constitution is the notion that a free people should thwart its
> leaders if necessary. This is our duty, the price of our freedom.
> Leaders hate to be thwarted; it is in the nature of power to
> consolidate itself.
>
> It is clear that the Democrats, the so-called opposition party, are
> unwilling to accept the dangers of democracy. It is clear that the
> Congress of the United States, conceived as a brake on the dangers of
> an imperial presidency, will continue to be a rubber stamp for the
> Bush imperium. It is clear that the Supreme Court will be willing to
> suspend any civil liberty that thwarts the plans of the supreme
> leader of what is often referred to as "the greatest nation on
> earth."
>
> THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION is working hard to make us forget. It is
> closing down sources of information about its own workings; it is
> denying citizens access to data about the government they
> theoretically control. It is purposely muddying the waters and
> confusing the issues, deacquisitioning enemies when they are no
> longer useful bogeymen.
>
> Terrorism is not a nation; terrorism is a tactic. The United States
> has used it or condoned its use. There is currently a very real
> Islamic fundamentalist terrorist movement. The United States has an
> equally real obligation to use its power to oppose this movement.
>
> The movement is not controlled from Iraq; there is no evidence that
> the elimination of Saddam Hussein would do anything to hinder that
> movement. The Taliban still move freely along the Afghanistan-
> Pakistan border; their power has been diminished but not eliminated.
> But we are asked to forget about that, even as we are asked to forget
> about the still-mysterious anthrax attacks that occurred less than
> two years ago.
>
> It is necessary for us to remember; it is necessary for us to speak
> out. It is time to pay attention to the man behind the curtain. There
> is no greater patriotism.
>
> ©2003 San Francisco Chronicle

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[CTRL] Law met w/ped priests, 1,200 priests, vote for peace now, pro-war US media,

2003-01-12 Thread Smart News

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Which country poses the greatest danger to world peace in 2003?
North Korea 10.2 % Iraq 17.3 % The United States 72.5 %

this may be heavy for survivors

from L Moss Sharman - Accused priests were often on Law's calendar By Michael Rezendes and Sacha Pfeiffer 1/10/03 On Oct. 29, 1984, then-archbishop Bernard F. Law hosted a private lunch for retired Monsignor Mark H. Keohane, the influential founding pastor of St. Bartholomew Church in Needham - and the uncle and surrogate father of the Rev. John J. Geoghan. Six weeks earlier, Law had ended Geoghan's assignment as a parish priest at St. Brendan Church in Dorchester, the second consecutive assignment in which Geoghan had been accused of sexually molesting boys. But two days after meeting with Keohane, Law wrote a letter to Geoghan informing him that he was being reassigned as a parish priest to St. Julia Church in Weston, one of the wealthiest communities in the archdiocese. ''I am confident that you will render fine priestly service to the People of God in St. Julia Parish,'' Law wroteThe entries do not indicate whether Law kept every appointment, but they do show Law had scheduled meetings with more than 35 priests who had been, or would be, formally accused of sexual misconduct - a pattern that seems to contradict pretrial testimony in which he repeatedly described his role in supervising accused priests as limited." http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/010/nation/Accused_priests_were_often_on_Law_s_calendar+.shtml

1,200 Priests in Sex Abuse Cases (AOL) New York AP 1/12/03 - Since the Roman Catholic church became embroiled in a sex abuse scandal a year ago, more than 1,200 priests in nearly every diocese in America have been accused of sexually abusing children, The New York Times reported. A survey conducted by the Times through Dec. 31 found that 4,268 people have claimed publicly or in lawsuits that priests abused them in the past six decades. The Times survey, relying on court records, news reports, church documents and interviews, found that 1,205 priests, or 1.8 percent of all priests ordained from 1950 to 2001, had been accused of abuse.

TIMEeurope_com Poll -- The Biggest Threat To Peace
http://www.time.com/time/europe/gdml/peace2003.html
Meanwhile, as the fuel rods go in and UN inspectors go away, the specter of a nuclear-armed North Korea is keeping the reclusive regime on everybody's radar. Washington and Pyongyang are talking tough but is the biggest danger to peace closer to home? European antagonism towards Bush's robust stance is now being mirrored in the U.S., with even those he might normally consider his allies now urging caution.
So TIME asks you: which country poses the greatest danger to world peace in 2003?
North Korea
Iraq
The United States
Which country poses the greatest danger to world peace in 2003?
North Korea 10.2 %
Iraq 17.3 %
The United States 72.5 %
Total Votes Cast: 65998

http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2003/620/in1.htm
When stars are shot down - The mainstream US media's reaction to Hollywood artists protesting war against Iraq is a typical exercise in insulating American public opinion from the world around it, writes Aziza Sami Notable, however, is the manner in which mainstream US media reacted to its traditional icons, by turning its heroes into pariahs overnight. The actors' LA press conference was given minimal coverage on the major networks such as CNN, Fox News and NBC, save for a couple of interrogatory and rather hostile interviews with the protagonists. Penn's Iraq visit was almost completely ignored, and the actor became the butt of several derisory jokes by countless media pundits and hosts on late night talk shows. Barbara Streisand, for her part, was cautioned by Jay Leno on the Tonight Show to shut her mouth -- which, he said, is as big as a crocodile's -- and was chided for having "no brains". A day after the LA press conference, CNN's Connie Chung interviewed actors Mike Farrel and Jeanine Garofalo. This coincided with International Human Rights Day, on which American anti-war activists had organised marches and vigils across 40 states. Chung alluded to the event saying that "a few, not many" had turned up for these vigils. Garofalo, however, refused to let this pass and countered by saying that the vigils had been attended by thousands of demonstrators. The actress said that "the mainstream [US] media is consistently misrepresenting the real numbers of people who are against the war and stifling the voices of dissent." She asked why the media appeared so keen on building up the war rhetoric, by repeating mottoes such as "Showdown Iraq" (CNN's favourite). Chung then asked the actress if she thought it was "un-American" to question the war. The host also wondered what type of signal this message would send to the young men and women in the army who are risking their lives to fight over

Re: [CTRL] What God Thinks of Race Mixing

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>You obviously don't understand what the study was about.
> Is the reason that you are married to a nigger or some other
> alien race?

An example of the mindless blatherings of racialist, tribalist idiots
that remind us all of the dangers of incest and interbreeding.
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[CTRL] Security, Secrecy and a Bush Brother

2003-01-12 Thread RoadsEnd

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http://www.populist.com/03.02.burns.html

Security, Secrecy and a Bush Brother
By Margie Burns

A company that provided security at the World Trade Center, Washington
D.C.'s Dulles International Airport and United Airlines between 1995 and
2001 was backed by a private Kuwaiti-American investment firm whose records
were not open to full public disclosure, with ties to the Bush family.

Marvin P. Bush, a younger brother of George W. Bush, was a principal in the
company from 1993 to 2000, when most of the work on the big projects was
done. But White House responses to 9/11 have not publicly disclosed the
company's part in providing security to any of the named facilities.

Public records indicate that the firm, formerly named Securacom, had Bush
on its board of directors. He was also listed as a significant shareholder.
The firm, which is now named Stratesec, Inc., is located in Sterling, Va.,
a D.C. suburb, and emphasizes federal clients. Bush is no longer on the board.

Bush has not responded to repeated telephoned and emailed requests for
comment.

The American Stock Exchange delisted Stratesec's stock in October 2002.
(Securacom also had a contract to provide security at Los Alamos National
Laboratories, notorious for its security breach.)

According to its present CEO, Barry McDaniel, the company had an ongoing
contract to handle security at the World Trade Center "up to the day the
buildings fell down." Yet instead of being investigated, the company and
companies involved with it have benefited from legislation pushed by the
Bush White House and rubber-stamped by Congressional Republicans.
Stratesec, its backer KuwAm, and their corporate officers stand to benefit
from limitations on liability and national-security protections from
investigation provided in bills since 9/11.

HCC Insurance Holdings, Inc., a reinsurance corporation on whose board
Marvin Bush sat as director until November 2002, similarly benefits from
terrorism insurance protections. (Bush's first year on the board at HCC
coincided with his last year on the board at Stratesec.) HCC, formerly
Houston Casualty Company, carried some of the insurance for the World Trade
Center. It posted a loss for the quarter after the attacks of Sept. 11 and
dropped participation in worker's compensation as a result. Bush remains an
adviser to the chairman and the Board of Directors, as well as a member of
the company's investment committee.

The former CEO of Stratesec is Wirt D. Walker III, who is still chairman of
the board. Although he has also been the managing director of KuwAm for
several years, Walker states definitively in phone interviews that there
was no exchange of talent between Stratesec and KuwAm during the WTC and
other projects.

As Walker put it, "I'm an investment banker." He continued, "We just owned
some stock." The investment company "was not involved in any way in the
work or day-to-day operations" of the security company. He explained
clearly and pleasantly that there was no sharing of information or of
personnel between the two companies.

In December 2000 &endash;- when the presidential election was determined --
Stratesec added a Government Division, providing "the same full range of
security systems services as the Commercial Division," in the company's
words. Stratesec now has "an open-ended contract with the General Services
Administration (GSA) and a Blanket Purchase Agreement (BPA) with the agency
that allows the government to purchase materials and services from the
Company without having to go through a full competition."

The company lists as government clients "the US Army, US Navy, US Air
force, and the Department of Justice," in projects that "often require
state-of-the-art security solutions for classified or high-risk government
sites." In 2000, the US Army accounted for 29% of the company's earned
revenues, or about $6.9 million.

The White House opposed an independent commission to investigate 9/11 until
after the terrorism insurance protections and protections for security
companies had safely passed Congress. It has also quietly intervened in
lawsuits against United Airlines in New York, brought by relatives of the
victims.

Marvin Bush joined Securacom's Board of Directors in 1993, as part of new
management hired when the company separated from engineering firm Burns and
Roe. The new team was capitalized by KuwAm, the D.C.-based Kuwaiti-American
investment company. Bush also served on the Board of Directors at KuwAm,
along with Mishal Yousef Saud al-Sabah, Chairman of KuwAm and also a
Director on Securacom's (Stratesec's) board.

The World Trade Center and the Metropolitan Washington Airport Authority --
which operates Dulles -- were two of Securacom's three biggest clients in
1996 and 1997. (The third was MCI, now WorldCom.)

Stratesec (Securacom) differs from other security companies which separate
the function of consultant from that of service provider. The company
defines itself as a "singl

[CTRL] The Stargate Conspiracy - In their own image

2003-01-12 Thread RoadsEnd

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an excerpt from:
The Stargate Conspiracy
Lynn Picknett & Clive PrinceÂ©1999
Little, Brown & Company
Warners Brothers/2000
ISBN 0751529966
445 pages
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In their own image

In 1973 the United States government commissioned a report from SRI
International[16] entitled Changing Images of Man, edited by Willis W, Harman
and OX Markley, which concluded that the spread of what it termed 'the new
values' â spiritual and ecological awareness and self-realisation movements
â is becoming virtually unstoppable. This would bring about a transformation
of society (particularly in the United States) that would radically undermine
'modern industrial-state culture and institutions' and result in 'serious
social disruptions, economic decline, runaway inflation, and even
institutional collapse'. [17] This report anticipates a lessening of trust in
authority and a reaction against a regimented, tightly controlled society. It
also suggested ways of preventing this worst-case scenario by identifying
existing institutions or traditions that could be used to control and contain
the impetus of the new movement. Significantly, it recommended as one of the
best solutions the tradition of Freemasonry. As the report states:

Of special interest to the Western world is that Freemasonry tradition which
played such a significant role in the birth of the United States of America,
attested to by the symbolism of the Great Seal (on the back of the dollar
bill) ... Thus this ... has the potentiality of reactivating the American
symbols, reinterpreting the work ethic, supporting the basic concepts of a
free-enterprise democratic society, and providing new meanings for the
technological industrial thrust. [18]

Note the similarity to the pronouncements of 1940s VicePresident Henry
Wallace â and, of course, the words of Edgar Cayce.

What is particularly significant is that this report was produced by SRI
International at the very time that they were heavily involved with the CIA
and the US Defense Department. Imagine how it must have made alarm bells ring
in the corridors of power, especially as it stressed that such a
transformation of society was inevitable. The only recourse for those in
positions of power and authority was for them to actively hijack the belief
systems that underpinned this social unrest, moving it in whatever direction
gave them the greatest advantage and retaining their control over the masses.

pps 318-19
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[CTRL] Who is Michael Riconosciuto?

2003-01-12 Thread eric stewart

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Spycraft: Who is Michael Riconosciuto?Posted by: valis on Jan 12, 2003 - 02:49 AM
... If the war against Osama Bin Ladin (Tim Osman) is not a total fraud, then what is Michael Riconosciuto doing in prison? Why doesn't he have an office next to Colin Powell so he can give realistic advice on Bin Ladin's thinking?
If the above link is broken, see: http://makeashorterlink.com/?M6B331013
 Michel Chossudovsky on H.A.A.R.P.http://makeashorterlink.com/?G3C843D03Some links and my new listservhttp://makeashorterlink.com/?X3BE13C03Scotland: Anti-war train drivers refuse to move arms freighthttp://makeashorterlink.com/?R1AD21B03Do you Yahoo!?
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[CTRL] Enron and a co-founder of the CIA

2003-01-12 Thread eric stewart

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The Power Elite: Enron and Frank Wisner
On 28 October 1997, Enron Corporation announced the entry of Frank G. Wisner Jr. onto its board of directors. Most of the business press did not find this untoward and it certainly did not emerge as part of the US discussions on corruption at the highest level. Frank Wisner, as we know in India, was the US Ambassador from 1994 until this year and his entry into Enron must be seen in light of the scandal of Dabhol. Enron, like most US corporations, uses itsclose association with the state (both its elected and bureaucratic arms) for its own ends. US campaigns are financed by corporations whose money not only enables politicians to win elections, but it also buys businesses the state's power both for domestic subsidies and for the use of US power in the internationalarena. Frank Wisner, Jr. was a big catch for Enron Corporation. His lineage is impeccable, since his father, Frank Wisner Sr., was a senior CIA official (from 1947 until his suicide in 1965) who was involved in the overthrow of Arbenz of Guatemala (1954) and Mossadeq of Iran (1953). Wisner Junior was well-known in the CIA and he worked as Under Secretary of Defense forPolicy and Under Secretary of State for International Security Affairs; his current boss, Kenneth Lay, Chief Executive Officer of Enron Corporation,also worked for the Pentagon during the US war in Vietnam. With "economicespionage" as a task for the CIA (see PD, 12 October 1997), there is little doubt that Wisner used this instrument during his long-tenure as Ambassador in Asian nations. A Wisner staffer told InterPress Services this year that "ifanybody asked the CIA to help promote US business in India, it was probably Frank". When Wisner was US Ambassador to the Philippines (1991-92), Enron was in the midst of negotiations to manage the two Subic Bay power plants. When Wisner left Manila in July 1992, Enron won the deal and began to manage the plant in January 1993. During Wisner tenure in India, he fought long and hard to secure various deals for Enron. He went so far as to boycott the "India Power '96 -- Beyond Dabhol" summit, despite being scheduled to give an address (this was part of a US advisory to companies to avoid India for six-months, a pressure tactic on India during the winter of 1995-96). Wisner left India earlier this year only after it seemed like Enron's place was secure. Enron, like most monopoly corporations in the US, uses money as a means to buy influence and power. To gain access to a lucrative contract to rebuild the Shuaiba power plant in Kuwait, Enron hired former US Secretary of StateJames Baker as a consultant who travelled to the oil kingdom to negotiatewith his Gulf War allies for his new employer. The sons of George Bush also helped Enron win this contract despite a lower bid from Deutsche Babcock,a German firm. The Bush brothers also helped Enron in their deal to win a contract to build a pipeline from Chile to Argentina in 1988. Finally, Wendy Gramm (wife of Senator Phil Gramm) joined Enron's Board of Directors in 1993 after she resigned from the Commodity Futures Trading Commission. This Commission, just days after Gramm's resignation, deregulated energy futures, thereby allowing Enron to earn 10% of its profits by adventures on the financial markets. Beside all this evidence, it appears hypocritical for Rebecca Mark, Chairperson of Enron Development Corporation, to declare that "Enron's reputation is being attacked, and we do not do business under the table". The story does not end there. In 1991-92, Enron donated $28,525 to the Democratic Party and in 1993-94, it gave $42,000. These monies enabled Enron to send its executives on international tours with the late Secretary of Commerce Ron Brown in January 1995 (when Kenneth Lay came to India) and in March-April 1994 (when Chief Executive Officer of Enron International, Rodney Gray came to Russia). In the former, Enron was in negotiation for the Dabhol plant among other things (such as the $1.1 billion offshore holdings) and in the latter, Enron was interested inthe marketing of Russian gas in Europe. President Clinton noted that Brown's trips resulted in "expanded opportunities for American business in [the USA] and abroad". The "pay to play" project of US "democracy" is once again in evidence. The example of Enron and Wisner proves beyond a reasonable doubt that the US state is not a neutral actor in world affairs and that US transnational corporations are part and parcel of the corruption within the US Empire. The hearings in Washington on "campaign finance reform" do not bother with this level of corruption,for most of those who are running the investigation are beholden to business interests. Enron, for instance, will not be a part of theinvestigation, since it is deemed to be a patriotic US entity out to create jobs for US workers and to accumulate wealth to defer the costs of the US's mercenary army. Vijay Prashad is Assistant P

Re: [CTRL] CANNIBALISM: Pygmies Being Killed and Eaten in Congo

2003-01-12 Thread Party of Citizens

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Think BIG...think of Pope Porcus Maximus, John Hagee of Texas, roasting on
a spit at the LBJ Ranch. Kinda makes me drool!

BTW, speaking of "kosher" food, what does Leviticus say about transgenics,
ie genes from one species spliced into another?

And further to the Raelian thing, what does Leviticus say about
parentage when our progeny have multiple mothers and multiple fathers from
multiple species? And how about the Law of Return of Israel? So you
qualify if you have a jewish mother and have not converted to another
religion, it says. But what if your mother is partly a turnip and partly a
lobster? I ask you...is that kosher? Maybe that is Dr. Zoiberg's problem
in the Futurama tv series. A nice jewish boy with too much lobster on his
mother's side.

POC
(LEZ)

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> > anti-semites!!!
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> > Pygmie was ALWAYS kosher if taken in small amounts.
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>
> 
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Re: [CTRL] CANNIBALISM: Pygmies Being Killed and Eaten in Congo

Title: Re: [CTRL] CANNIBALISM: Pygmies Being Killed and Eaten in Congo
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Depends how you kill them, really


on 01/12/03 4:18 PM, Nurev Ind at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


THIS IS A VICIOUS ANTI-SEMITIC LIE being perpetrated by vicious anti-semitic
anti-semites!!!

Pygmie was ALWAYS kosher if taken in small amounts.




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[CTRL] Jobless, and Stunned

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Jobless, and Stunned

January 9, 2003
By BOB HERBERT

Left behind by the great Republican raid on the national
Treasury are folks like Karelia Escobar and Joe Bergmann,
middle-aged New Yorkers who have worked most of their lives
but now find themselves traveling the anxious paths of the
long-term unemployed.

With bills mounting and each day bringing a heightened
sense of dread, they could use a little help. But the
jobless are at the bottom of the economic heap, and the
Bush administration's help seems always to go to the top.

Ms. Escobar is 43 and single, and lives in a small
apartment in Queens. She has worked for a number of
airlines over the past several years, most recently as a
ticket agent for T.W.A. That job vanished with the World
Trade Center.

"We were laid off Oct. 14, 2001," she said. "I haven't been
able to find work since then. I've applied everywhere. I've
gone back to school to improve my computer skills. I've
learned another language. I feel very bad because I want to
work so I can pay my bills. I've always worked. But now I
can't find a job."

That plaintive comment is echoing from coast to coast.
Unemployment is rising. And as the millions of jobless
Americans (including many in the middle class) exhaust
their benefits and run through their savings, they are
finding themselves face to face with the horror of
destitution.

In his speech in Chicago on Tuesday President Bush said, "I
worry about people who are out of work. They need our
help." But the hundreds of millions of dollars' worth of
"help" that he proposed would go overwhelmingly to the
princes of the new American plutocracy, not to the likes of
Karelia Escobar.

Or Joe Bergmann. Mr. Bergmann, who lives in Midtown
Manhattan, was a creative director for a firm that did
interactive advertising. He was laid off Oct. 2, 2001, and,
to his amazement, has been out of work ever since. When I
asked if he ever imagined it would be so hard to find a
job, he said, "Not at all. There's no way."

Mr. Bergmann, 54, is married and has two daughters. His
wife works, but her employment outlook, even in the short
term, is uncertain. The family has had the benefit of some
savings and a bonus Mr. Bergmann earned at a previous job.
But he does not know what will happen if he doesn't get
another job soon.

Mr. Bergmann believes that many of the layoffs by large
corporations could have been avoided. He said, "Companies
have been living from quarter to quarter for so long
they've lost their long-distance planning - their vision of
what the company is going to be like in five years. When
there's a downturn, they just get rid of people.

"I don't know if we can change the heart of C.E.O.'s into
thinking, `Well, you know, I'm getting $30 million, but I
can save some jobs if I give back $15 million and live on
just $15 million this year.' They never think like that.
And until they begin to think like that, we'll be at their
mercy."

Unemployment benefits for Ms. Escobar and Mr. Bergmann ran
out last July. The extension signed by President Bush
yesterday does not apply to them.

Ms. Escobar's situation is extremely precarious. Her
savings are gone. She received help from a local charity
when her electric service was about to be discontinued.

"I cannot even pay my car insurance," she said. "I have an
old car but they've canceled the insurance."

"So you can't drive," I said.

"I can't drive. I'm afraid
I'll hit somebody and then I'll end up with no money, no
job, and in jail. I don't want that."

Her biggest concern is February's rent. "I don't have it,"
she said.

The centerpiece of the economic plan proposed by Mr. Bush
on Tuesday is the elimination of taxes on stock dividends,
an unconscionable giveaway to the rich at a time when so
many working Americans are struggling merely to survive.

The plan contained no job creation program, no investment
in the nation's critical infrastructure needs, and no
assistance for the many states sinking in the quicksand of
mammoth budget deficits.

Ms. Escobar has taken the president's policies somewhat
personally. "I'm a Republican and I'm not ashamed to say
it," she said. "But I'm very upset that they have done
nothing for us."

I asked if she had voted for Mr. Bush. "I sure did," she
said, then added, "I feel very betrayed."

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Re: [CTRL] Burning whats?

2003-01-12 Thread Nurev Ind

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At 09:36 AM 1/12/03 -0600, you wrote:
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   Ramsey Clark is a damn perverted blood thirsty
jew
No Willey you crazy psychotic worm fucker. He's a Christian.
J2

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> A Report on United States War Crimes Against Iraq to the Commission
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Re: [CTRL] CANNIBALISM: Pygmies Being Killed and Eaten in Congo

2003-01-12 Thread Nurev Ind

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At 09:38 AM 1/12/03 -0500, you wrote:
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> That was a Mossad false flag operation. The " Israeli"
dressed
>up as black Africans and killed and ate the Italians because
the
>Italians were pro-Palestinian. I can't believe you don't know
this!
>You are usually so attuned to Israeli  atrocities.Tsk,
tsk.
> J2
Yes this is true. However you leave out the most important part
of this scandal as reported in the Jerusalum Post -
Israel's Chief Rabbi was paid thousands under the table to
declare the meat Kosher.
flw
THIS IS A VICIOUS ANTI-SEMITIC LIE being perpetrated by vicious
anti-semitic
anti-semites!!!
Pygmie was ALWAYS kosher if taken in small amounts.
BASTARDS.
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Re: [CTRL] Burning whats?

2003-01-12 Thread iNFoWaRZ

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At 10:36 AM 1/12/03 , you wrote:
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>Ramsey Clark is a damn perverted blood thirsty jew

Although Clark has a rather tainted background, and his patriotic intentions should be 
scrutinized, one thing Clark is not, is a Jew.  He is of British descent and was 
raised in a Presbyterian Family. Willie lies.

A Bio on Clark:
http://i-p-o.org/Clark.htm
Note ties to Secret Societies and men of dubious character.
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-iNFoWaRZ
Willie is a bible twister extraordinaire, and a Masonic Brit-Israel Identity pusher.
Cross through the Crown, Right Willie?

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[CTRL] Cheney a la King

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[Che]ney, chickenhawk
http://www.madison.com/captimes/opinion/editorial/40468.php
An editorial
January 11, 2003

Vice President Dick Cheney has never shown much interest in meeting his
responsibilities as a citizen or an elected official.

During the Vietnam War, Cheney avoided military service. Like so many of the current
advocates for war with Iraq, he did not want to upset his career plans by wearing the
uniform of his country.

The political career that got a jump-start during the Vietnam era has been a 
successful -
and lucrative - one for Cheney. But he has never gotten over his aversion to 
fulfilling his
public responsibilities.

After securing himself the Republican nomination for vice president in 2000, Cheney
generally avoided interviews and appearances before large crowds. His regal style
allowed him to avoid discussions of his record in Congress, Cabinets and, especially, 
as
a business wheeler-dealer.

Since taking office, Cheney has continued to avoid the limelight. His penchant for 
hiding
out in "secure, undisclosed locations" has made Cheney the punch line to a thousand
Dave Letterman jokes. And his penchant for secrecy has been evident in a long legal
battle to cloak his deal-making as chairman of the administration's task force on 
energy
policy.

Cheney's well-established aversion to actual contact with the public he is supposed to
serve made it difficult to imagine that he ever really intended to accept an 
invitation from
the Independent Business Association of Wisconsin to appear in Madison on Jan. 29.
There is no record of Cheney making public appearances in locations where he might
be forced to confront the reality that the administration's plans for a war with Iraq 
are
extremely unpopular, and a Madison appearance would have done just that.

So when it was revealed Friday that Cheney would not be coming to Madison -
because, his office said, "his calendar wouldn't allow" the visit - no one was 
surprised.

The prospect that Cheney might come to Madison inspired widespread organizing by
religious, political and community groups that oppose war with Iraq.

There is no question that Cheney would have been confronted by a large, nonviolent yet
very vocal challenge to the administration's policies. And, as his career has
demonstrated, Cheney likes to avoid public challenges - and public responsibilities.

Published: 8:35 AM 1/11/03

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[CTRL] No Unilateral US Military Action

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New Knight Ridder Poll Reveals Overwhelming Majority of Americans Oppose Unilateral
U.S. Military Action Against Iraq
1/12/2003 12:01:00 AM


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SAN JOSE, Calif., Jan 12, 2003 /PRNewswire via COMTEX/ -- A new nationwide
survey conducted by



Knight Ridder (KRI) reveals that Americans overwhelmingly oppose unilateral U.S.
military action against Saddam Hussein, with only about a third of the public saying 
they
would support a war with Iraq without UN approval and allies. However, a robust
majority of Americans -- 83 percent -- said they would support going to war if the 
United
Nations backed the action and if it was carried out by a multinational coalition.

The Knight Ridder poll reveals some slippage for






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President Bush since September, when other polls asked whether the president had
clearly explained his rationale for a war against Iraq. Then, 52 percent thought the
president had clearly explained his position and 37 percent disagreed, compared with
the new Knight Ridder poll finding that 48 percent of Americans saying Bush had not
clearly explained his rationale and 46 percent saying he had.

Asked to rank the various threats facing the U.S., more than twice as many
respondents (49 percent of the total) chose Al-Qaida as the greatest peril as chose 
Iraq.
A similar margin thinks that dealing with Al-Qaida should be the nation's top foreign-
policy priority.

Poll Measures Attitudes Toward North Korea Nuclear Weapons Possession



According to the Knight Ridder poll, when it comes to North Korea, a majority of
Americans think the U.S. is imperiled by that regime and that America should maintain
or enhance its military presence in South Korea.

But there is little support for U.S. military action against North Korea, a nation 
believed
to possess nuclear weapons. Seventy-nine percent of those surveyed said the issue
should be resolved diplomatically; only 15 percent said the United States should
prepare to take immediate military action against North Korea. And only 42 percent of
those who think that Al-Qaida or North Korea poses the most serious foreign threat
want the White House to place those issues over the economy.

For this survey, Princeton Survey Research Associates interviewed 1,204 adults
between January 3-6, 2003, and has a margin of error of plus or minus three
percentage points.

About Knight Ridder

Knight Ridder is the nation's second-largest newspaper publisher, with products in 
print
and online. The company publishes 32 daily newspapers in 28 U.S. markets, with a
readership of 8.5 million daily and 12.1 million Sunday. Knight Ridder also has
investments in a variety of Internet and technology companies and two newsprint
companies.

The company's Internet operation, Knight Ridder Digital, develops and manages the
company's online properties. It is the founder and operator of Real Cities
(www.RealCities.com), the largest national network of city and regional Web sites in 56
U.S. markets. Knight Ridder and Knight Ridder Digital are located in San Jose, Calif.



SOURCE Knight Ridder

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[CTRL] Britlandic Free-for-all

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Don't bother about burglary, police told
By Daniel Foggo
(Filed: 12/01/2003)

Police have been ordered not to bother investigating
crimes such as burglary, vandalism and assaults unless evidence pointing to the
culprits is easily available, The Telegraph can reveal.

Under new guidelines, officers have been informed that only "serious" crimes, such as
murder, rape or so-called hate crimes, should be investigated as a matter of course.

In all other cases, unless there is immediate and compelling evidence, such as
fingerprints or DNA material, the crime will be listed for no further action.

The new "crime screening" guidelines were quietly introduced in the Metropolitan Police
area last month and similar measures are being brought into effect by forces across
Britain as pressure grows on senior officers to maintain a tighter control over 
budgets.

A Met spokesman confirmed that "less serious crimes" would now only be investigated if
they were considered to be "solvable using proportionate resources", or were part of a
current crackdown on specific offences. He said: "It might mean that people who have
had their bikes stolen from outside a shop might not get any investigation into it. It 
is
looking at the high priorities for crime in the community."

The Met's policy document states that when crimes are of a less serious nature and
there are no "special factors", such as a particularly vulnerable victim, they will 
now be
logged but not solved.

Oliver Letwin, the shadow home secretary, said last night: "This news will be regarded
as the final nail in the coffin of this Government's policy on crime. Instead of zero
tolerance it seems we are to be faced with total tolerance."

The Home Office denied that it had originated the new policy. A spokesman said:
"Crime screening is a matter for individual forces. We have made the investigation of
burglaries a national priority and we are certainly not directing forces to avoid
investigating them."


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10 January 2003: Sex attacks, burglaries and car thefts all rise

9 January 2003: Why burglaries should set off Whitehall alarms

8 January 2003: No 10 rebukes Irvine over burglars

21 December 2002: Police attack rule sparing burglars from jail

20 December 2002: Don't jail 'less serious' burglars, says Woolf

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Crime reduction - Home Office


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and benefit of one and all.  Then accept it and live up to it."
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Re: [CTRL] Burning whats?

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On 12 Jan 2003 at 9:36, Willie Martin wrote:

>  Lector-
>
>Ramsey Clark is a damn perverted blood thirsty jew

I think if you read the whole series, you'd find your position hard to support.

Clark is one of theones who's involved with establishing war crimes tribunal type
functions for those involved with the "Highway of Death" and other little things like 
DU
and bombing civilian infrastructure.

I only posted the first part of the series.  You have to go to the site to get the 
whole
sheebango.

A<>E<>R

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[CTRL] Who can be in your house if you live in Belleville, IL

2003-01-12 Thread Zuukie

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It wouldn't surprise me if this became a trend in the future under the
Sustainability developments for towns, though I don't think this is the
case here.

http://www.belleville.com/mld/belleville/news/4691498.htm

Posted on Sun, Dec. 08, 2002

Subject to inspection
Belleville inspectors and armed police officers show up without search
warrants to check for occupancy code violations, and ticket people who
don't let them in -- a practice experts say is unconstitutional. BY
GEORGE PAWLACZYK Belleville News-Democrat


Subject to inspection
Belleville inspectors and armed police officers show up without search
warrants to check for occupancy code violations, and ticket people who
don't let them in -- a practice experts say is unconstitutional. BY
GEORGE PAWLACZYK Belleville News-Democrat

and Beth Hundsdorfer
Invite friends over, babysit your grandchildren or allow relatives to
spend the night in Belleville and you risk an armed police officer
turning up at your door to search your home and give you a ticket.
Enforcement teams consisting of a housing inspector and a police officer
do not obtain search warrants before showing up to check for occupancy
code violations, a Belleville News-Democrat investigation found. Most
residents give their permission to come in, although reluctantly, and
those who don't usually are charged. Sometimes they simply walk in. Jim
Reese said he was standing in his kitchen when he heard a noise at 7
a.m. and found a housing inspector and police officer standing in his
living room. "I wanted to know who walked in without permission," he
said. "They didn't answer me. They just started walking through the
place." Such aggressive enforcement of a city law designed to prevent
overcrowding violates the Fourth Amendment, which guards against
unlawful search and seizure, legal experts say. "I think the way they
are using the housing ordinance is unconstitutional," said Jamie Carey,
a law professor at Loyola University. "I think it's just a way to get
around the Fourth Amendment." "You can't come in without a search
warrant," said William Schroeder, a professor and expert in federal law
at Southern Illinois University Carbondale. "The Supreme Court decided a
case on this that is right on point. It's based on the Fourth Amendment.
And you can't arrest anyone for refusing a search without a search
warrant." Belleville attorney Bruce Cook said: "If they suspect you of
something, then they can go to a police officer and get an affidavit and
then get a search warrant. Your home is protected by the Fourth
Amendment." In more than 30 interviews, residents said officials show up
without warrants and ticket people, sometimes for just having visitors.
While many times the tickets were justified because of significant
overcrowding, others were given for everyday events. A young mother who
works two jobs was ticketed because the elderly couple she hired to
babysit were not listed on her occupancy permit. A man who agreed to
house sit for a friend in the Air Force who was overseas was cited when
he was found alone in the house. In 70 percent of cases, documented in
city records since 1999, housing inspectors, called compliance officers,
and uniformed police offcers have gone into homes in the city's poorest
areas -- around Hough Park, in the Franklin neighborhood and near
downtown. Ninety-five percent of these surprise inspections were at
rental housing. City officials say enforcement of occupancy and housing
codes is crucial to prevent overcrowding and unsanitary conditions, and
to keep the city's housing stock from deteriorating. But civil rights
experts argue such tactics are discriminatory and unconstitutional.
"It's pretty much like the Gestapo. There is no right to privacy," said
Will Jordan, executive director of the Equal Housing Opportunity Council
in St. Louis, which works with the federal government to investigate
civil rights violations. "This is much more intrusive than making a
random stop on the highway because this is your home," he said. The
findings None of Illinois' 15 largest cities, including Chicago, sends
police officers on housing inspections, according to a survey by the
newspaper. In fact, none require occupancy permits. The searches usually
are based on anonymous calls and often come during the early morning
hours, according to a review of 263 Belleville Housing Department
occupancy violation case files since 1999. The newspaper found:  At
least four times, the police-compliance officer teams have been accused
of simply walking into houses unannounced without knocking first.  A
dozen times when people refused to let the officials in without first
seeing a warrant, they were charged with obstruction or interfering with
a health officer, despite a 1967 U.S. Supreme Court ruling that it is
unconstitutional to arrest someone who doesn't allow a search without a
warrant.  Fifty-seven percent of those cited for occupancy code
violations were white, while 43 percent

Re: [CTRL] America Plans to Liberate Iraq From Its Oil

2003-01-12 Thread Prudy L

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Kind of gives the word "exploitation" a whole new meaning.  Another victory for the Bush lexicon.  Prudy
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Re: [CTRL] Israelis To Confine Arabs to Ghetto

2003-01-12 Thread Prudy L

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The only reason the Israelis have not completely extirminated the
Palestinians is they fear world reaction. Recently several European
nations (and perhaps the US) have warned Sharon not to indulge
in 'ethnic cleansing' when the US invades Iraq.




Hear, hear!  Prudy
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Re: [CTRL] Bush, Cheney would get tax-cut windfall

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They love to say that this tax benefits everyone because over 50% of the
people own stocks. More innumeracy.

65% of the benefit goes to 5% of the population, with some 40+% going to the
top 1% of the population.

Of the 50% MOST average people are involved via pension plans 401ks etc,
where there is NO benefit from this reduction.


on 01/12/03 12:35 PM, goldi316 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> -Caveat Lector-
>
> Now here's a surprise...  NOT!
>
> Bush, Cheney would get tax-cut windfall
> Reuters, 01.07.03, 6:13 PM ET
>
>
> WASHINGTON, Jan 7 (Reuters) - U.S. President George W. Bush and Vice
> President Dick Cheney each stand to reap thousands of dollars in savings
> from Bush's proposal on Tuesday to eliminate taxes on stock dividends.
>
> Based on income reported in his tax returns for 2001, Bush would have
> saved $16,511 on dividend payments of $43,805 if his new proposal had
> been in effect for the year.
>
> Cheney, who had dividends of $278,103 in 2001, would have saved
> $104,823.
>
> The estimated savings were derived by using a tax-savings calculator on
> the Internet site of the Heritage Foundation think-tank
> (www.heritage.org).
>
> Bush on Tuesday proposed eliminating the tax on stock dividends as part
> of a $674 billion proposal he says is aimed at boosting a lukewarm
> economy.
>
> Democrats have attacked the plan, which is almost all tax cuts, as a
> giveaway to the rich.
>
> The White House says 92 million Americans would gain an average tax cut
> this year of $1,083 through Bush's proposals, which would also
> accelerate previously scheduled income tax cuts and boost the child tax
> credit.
>
> Cheney is to take a turn at pitching the plan in a speech to the U.S.
> Chamber of Commerce on Friday.
>
> Bush deflected a question on Monday about how he would personally
> benefit from the dividend-tax cut. "My money is in a blind trust ... so
> I don't know if I've got any dividends," he told reporters.
>
> Bush and Cheney also benefited handsomely from the $1.35 trillion tax
> cut passed by Congress in 2001. Cheney saved an estimated $43,000 on a
> tax bill of $1.72 million that year, and Bush saved an estimated $7,205.
>
> Copyright 2003, Reuters News Service
>
> http://forbes.com/home/newswire/2003/01/07/rtr840184.html
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Re: [CTRL] SEAN PENN: IRAQ NOT POLITICAL IS HUMAN!

2003-01-12 Thread William Shannon

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Oh yeah sure...that's PROOF that he's a crankhead...uh huh.
Our biases are showing Monica...er, Lewiski...

Bill.

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PENN:  ...IT IS, UM, IMPORTANT.  I AM RESPONSIBLE.  WENT
TO LEARN.  I HAVE SEEN AND KNOW.  YEAH, IT IS
COMPLICATED.  SURE, BAGHDAD.  NO, MUCH IS REPELLENT
ABOUT IT. WE HAVE FAMILIES.  BELONG IN BELLEVUE.  THEY
DID.  DISEASE. INCREDIBLE OPPORTUNITY.   I DID NOT GO AS
A JOURNALIST.  AFTER THE 1991 BOMBINGS, IT WAS SOLD
TO THE PEOPLE.  AND THE STARVATION, I SAY THIS AS A
FATHER OF CHILDREN.  YES, I DO.
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Re: [CTRL] SEAN PENN: IRAQ NOT POLITICAL IS HUMAN!

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Considering that Drudge apparently chopped everything up to make Penn sound
like an idiot, it seems only fair to post a report that DOESN'T do so with
such obvious prejudice...

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Sunday,
January 12, 2003

Sean
Penn breaks his silence ... sort of
Says he
went to Baghdad seeking information, but can't share what he learned

Posted:
January 12, 2003
1:00
a.m. Eastern

©
2003 WorldNetDaily.com
Sean
Penn broke his silence following his controversial trip to Iraq with an
interview last night on CNN's ''Larry King Show'' by saying he went to
Baghdad seeking information, but doesn't feel he is in a position to share
what he learned with the American people.

Sean Penn on CNN

Asked
by King what the purpose of his trip to Iraq was, the actor-director said:
''The purpose was information.''
Insisting
in a somewhat rambling interview that he doesn't think he ''hurt this country's
position,'' Penn accused the Bush administration of trying to ''herd us
into this position. We as citizens have to take stock of our own conscience
on these issues.''
Penn
boasted of spending nearly 90 minutes with top Iraqi official Tariq Aziz,
but said he didn't feel comfortable relating what was said.
''I
don't believe that, despite some compelling arguments ... that it is legitimate
for someone in my position to quote him and to be a messenger of anything
to do with that message,'' said the actor.
The
actor made clear he is no fan of Saddam Hussein.
''I
think there's probably two legitimate places for Saddam Hussein: it's either
Bellevue or a meat grinder,'' he said. ''This man's a horror and a criminal,
there's no question about it.''
Penn
said repeatedly he is not a pacifist, but said he opposed a U.S. attack
on Iraq without proof the country has weapons of mass destruction and plans
to use them against America. Asked what kind of proof would persuade him
to change his mind, he said: ''What is it they have? How much of it do
they have? What is the immediate threat of it? What are the ramifications
of what we do about it? For example, the same those same enemies of the
state of Iraq today who, on the other hand, are Arab brothers. My friend
you know, the enemy of the enemy and that whole notion. Who is going
to give terrorists nuclear capability as a result of us going into Iraq
in a certain way? Who is going to? All of these things have to be considered.
The best way that, for my own opinion, I think, you know, given what are
the facts of the only way that I'll answer it is to say that, you know,
again, I do not stand here as a pacifist. I would aspire to be a pacifist.
I'm not. I doubt I ever will be.''
Penn
said he undertook the fact-finding trip out of an ''increasing feeling
of shame on my own part in not participating in what, for me, was not necessarily
so much a political but a to the degree that humanitarianism and civic
responsibility are the same thing.''
He
said he believes we are living in what Norman Mailer called ''the first
century that because of technology and the conflicts in the world ...
the Earth survives without us. And I have children who are going to face
that century and live in that century.''
Penn,
who has been known to slug it out with paparazzi and even his former flame
Madonna, said the Bush administration ''inadvertently teaching a master
class in the manifestation of rage into hatred.''
Have
we seen the end of Penn's unofficial diplomatic career? Not necessarily,
he says. Asked if he would go to North Korea, where another dictator is
threatening war agains the U.S., Penn didn't rule it out.
''If
I felt there was a productive reason to go, I think, is one answer to it,''
he said. ''Am I curious to go to North Korea? Yes.''

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Re: [CTRL] SEAN PENN: IRAQ NOT POLITICAL IS HUMAN!

2003-01-12 Thread klewis

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On 12 Jan 2003 at 12:22, William Shannon wrote:

> >
> Crankhead?
> I doubt it.
>
PENN:  ...IT IS, UM, IMPORTANT.  I AM RESPONSIBLE.  WENT
TO LEARN.  I HAVE SEEN AND KNOW.  YEAH, IT IS
COMPLICATED.  SURE, BAGHDAD.  NO, MUCH IS REPELLENT
ABOUT IT. WE HAVE FAMILIES.  BELONG IN BELLEVUE.  THEY
DID.  DISEASE. INCREDIBLE OPPORTUNITY.   I DID NOT GO AS
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Re: [CTRL] SEAN PENN: IRAQ NOT POLITICAL IS HUMAN!

2003-01-12 Thread William Shannon

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In a message dated 1/12/2003 10:52:51 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

That doesn't quite cover it.  You should have said Sean Penn is a
crankhead patriot.

Crankhead?
I doubt it.

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[CTRL] Bush, Cheney would get tax-cut windfall

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Now here's a surprise...  NOT!

Bush, Cheney would get tax-cut windfall
Reuters, 01.07.03, 6:13 PM ET


WASHINGTON, Jan 7 (Reuters) - U.S. President George W. Bush and Vice
President Dick Cheney each stand to reap thousands of dollars in savings
from Bush's proposal on Tuesday to eliminate taxes on stock dividends.

Based on income reported in his tax returns for 2001, Bush would have
saved $16,511 on dividend payments of $43,805 if his new proposal had
been in effect for the year.

Cheney, who had dividends of $278,103 in 2001, would have saved
$104,823.

The estimated savings were derived by using a tax-savings calculator on
the Internet site of the Heritage Foundation think-tank
(www.heritage.org).

Bush on Tuesday proposed eliminating the tax on stock dividends as part
of a $674 billion proposal he says is aimed at boosting a lukewarm
economy.

Democrats have attacked the plan, which is almost all tax cuts, as a
giveaway to the rich.

The White House says 92 million Americans would gain an average tax cut
this year of $1,083 through Bush's proposals, which would also
accelerate previously scheduled income tax cuts and boost the child tax
credit.

Cheney is to take a turn at pitching the plan in a speech to the U.S.
Chamber of Commerce on Friday.

Bush deflected a question on Monday about how he would personally
benefit from the dividend-tax cut. "My money is in a blind trust ... so
I don't know if I've got any dividends," he told reporters.

Bush and Cheney also benefited handsomely from the $1.35 trillion tax
cut passed by Congress in 2001. Cheney saved an estimated $43,000 on a
tax bill of $1.72 million that year, and Bush saved an estimated $7,205.

Copyright 2003, Reuters News Service

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[CTRL] Think Bush's tax cut plan will put more money in YOUR pocket? Think again...

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Unless, of course, you're in the stratospheric percentile...

An analysis of the plan from Molly Ivins:

AUSTIN, Texas -- I just love the fine print in the president's tax-cut
plan. I grant you, the overall effect is pretty spectacular, too -- a
plan that has almost no stimulative effect but still opens a future of
zillion-dollar deficits to drag down the economy. That's the
backasswards of what we need, but it's not the fun part.

Look at these little goodies:

-- Think because you have money in the stock market you might have a
stake in eliminating the dividend tax, the centerpiece of the
president's tax cut -- $300 billion over 10 years? (You probably think
you have money in the stock market because your 401K keeps going down --
that would be 40 million Americans.) But no! This tax break doesn't
apply to your dividends! The money in your 401K from both savings and
dividends are tax sheltered until you withdraw the money -- then all of
it gets taxed as ordinary income. You don't get any tax break on your
dividends -- that only goes to the investor class. According to Kevin
Phillips, 1 percent of investors pocketed 42 percent of the stock-market
gains between 1989 and 1997, while the top 10 percent of the population
took 86 percent. These people need a tax cut! They haven't been getting
their share!

-- According to the Urban-Brookings Tax Policy Center, the effect of
eliminating dividend taxation is that the average benefit for those
making less than $10,000 would be $6, and average benefit for those
making more than $1 million would be $45,098. Quick, high-schoolers,
let's practice up for the those SATs by figuring out by what percentage
$45,098 is bigger than $6.

-- Bush also wants to accelerate the income-tax cuts slated for 2006.
Look at this folly. The top 5 percent of taxpayers would get 70 percent
of the benefits on that one. The bottom 80 percent would get 6.5 percent
of the benefits. Ditto with accelerating the 2004 tax cuts: 64.4 percent
to the top 5 percent of taxpayers; 7.7 percent to the bottom 80 percent.

-- One of those people who can't handle numbers, need something visual
to work with? Find the Urban-Brookings charts published in the Jan. 7
New York Times showing who gets how much of this tax cut. You can barley
see the lines that measure the relief until you get above the 99th
percentile.

Naturally there will be a lot of spinning on these tax cuts in the weeks
ahead, with numbers being tossed around like confetti. We'll probably
need John Paulos, the innumeracy guy, to referee. I recommend the Center
for Tax Justice (www.ctj.org) -- its computer model is widely respected.

Speaking of damn lies and statistics, one of the little games being
played in Washington is that the Republicans want to switch to Enron
accounting on the economy. They're leaning on both the Congressional
Budget Office (CBO) and the Joint Committee on Taxation to change the
way they make their economic estimates. According to the R's, "static
scoring" -- as opposed to your "dynamic scoring" -- overestimates the
cost of tax cuts by ignoring their role in boosting economic growth.
Why, claim the R's, tax cuts pay for themsleves! If that's so, why are
all the states going broke? Bring on Arthur Andersen and mark-to-market
accounting -- that'll perk up the economy.

The only good part of the Bush's tax cut plan is the $400 increase in
the tax credit per child -- at least that spreads it around a little.
Naturally, that's the one part of the plan right-wingers hate.

As we all wade into these numerical battles over exactly how much of
this tax cut goes to the very rich, the more fundamental question is
whether it's a good idea -- either economically, or in terms of social
justice, to have the very rich get very much richer than they already
are.

Contrary to the paranoid fantasists on The Wall Street Journal's
editorial page, populists are not motivated by some burning resentment
of the rich -- we don't spend our lives in an envious funk that someone
else is better off than we are. "No skin off my nose" is the general
attitude, with others coming in at "Lucky them" or "Good for them." The
problem is that the rich are screwing up our democracy. Less than 0.1
percent of the U.S. population gave 83 percent of all itemized campaign
contributions for the 2002 elections, according to the Center for
Responsive Politics. According to the Houston Chronicle, just 48 wealthy
Texas families provided more than half the campaign funds for the major
Republican state candidates this fall.

How dumb do you have to be not to be able to connect the dots here? Law,
policy and regulation are consistently shaped to favor the rich over the
rest of us, and that, dammit, is not fair, it is not right, it is not
the country we want and for which we are asked to sacrifice.

To find out more about Molly Ivins and read features by other Creators
Syndicate writers and cartoonists, visit the Creators Syndicate web page
at www.creator

Re: [CTRL] SEAN PENN: IRAQ NOT POLITICAL IS HUMAN!

2003-01-12 Thread klewis

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On 12 Jan 2003 at 11:22, William Shannon wrote:

>
> Sean Penn is a patriot.
>

That doesn't quite cover it.  You should have said Sean Penn is a
crankhead patriot.

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Re: [CTRL] SEAN PENN: IRAQ NOT POLITICAL IS HUMAN!

2003-01-12 Thread William Shannon

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In a message dated 1/12/2003 10:19:31 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

ACTOR SEAN PENN BROKE HIS SILENCE ABOUT HIS RECENT
FACT-FINDING TRIP TO IRAQ IN A  EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW
WITH CNN SATURDAY NIGHT.

Sean Penn is a patriot.

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Re: [CTRL] "Alpha" Course Warning

2003-01-12 Thread RobGee

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Jose Silva (Silva Mind Control) is based on going to the alpha level and
using visualization to heal ailments. Why is information like this always
assuming satan is behind it? Silva used the term "mind control" as a way
gaining expertise over one's own mind. The term has been demonized to the
nth degree. Perhaps the negative connotation to the term was/is a planned
form of keeping us in bondage.
Rob

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[CTRL] SEAN PENN: IRAQ NOT POLITICAL IS HUMAN!

2003-01-12 Thread klewis

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X DRUDGE REPORT X SAT JAN 11, 2003 22:01:37
ET X
SEAN PENN: IRAQ NOT POLITICAL IS HUMAN!

ACTOR SEAN PENN BROKE HIS SILENCE ABOUT HIS RECENT
FACT-FINDING TRIP TO IRAQ IN A  EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW
WITH CNN SATURDAY NIGHT.

ON LARRY KING LIVE, PENN MADE A COMPELLING, FOCUSED
CASE AGAINST THE IRAQI WAR, ADVOCATING DIALOGUE
BEFORE BOMBS.

JOINED IN PROGRESS...
PENN:  ...IT IS, UM, IMPORTANT.  I AM RESPONSIBLE.  WENT
TO LEARN.  I HAVE SEEN AND KNOW.  YEAH, IT IS
COMPLICATED.  SURE, BAGHDAD.  NO, MUCH IS REPELLENT
ABOUT IT. WE HAVE FAMILIES.  BELONG IN BELLEVUE.  THEY
DID.  DISEASE. INCREDIBLE OPPORTUNITY.   I DID NOT GO AS
A JOURNALIST.  AFTER THE 1991 BOMBINGS, IT WAS SOLD
TO THE PEOPLE.  AND THE STARVATION, I SAY THIS AS A
FATHER OF CHILDREN.  YES, I DO.
KING:  DID YOUR WIFE WANT YOU TO?
PENN:  THEY MAKE IT BUFFOONERY, WELL, IT IS A NERVE-
WRACKING THING.  BUT I AM MORE SHY FROM THE SHAME I
WILL FEEL.  NO, THIS IS A MISCONCEPTION OF THE
CURRENT NARCISSISM OF THE MOTION PICTURE INDUSTRY.
MORE THAN TWENTY HOURS ON A PLANE.  YOU START TO
THINK.  YOU DO.   IT IS NOT GOOD TO BE FAMOUS.  WHEN I
WANT TO GIGGLE, I TURN ON BILL O'REILLY. ONCE EVERY 5
YEARS I HAVE SOMETHING I WANT TO DO.  I AM QUITE
CRAZY ABOUT IT, BUT IT MAKES ME CRAZY.  GULF WAR
COST $82 BILLION.
KING: WOULD YOU GO TO NORTH KOREA?
PENN:   IRAQ NOT POLITICAL IS HUMAN.  I DONT SPEAK OUT
MUCH, BUT I FEEL IT IS MY RESPONSIBILITY TO SPEAK OUT
AS MUCH AS I CAN.  BAGHDAD.  CONSCIENCE, AND I DID
FEEL, UM, COULD BE GREAT TO TRY TO, UM, DIALOGUE.
ARMS INSPECTORS. REALLY UNAMERICAN.  MURDOCH.
BECAUSE I AM A FATHER.  I'D LIKE TO WRITE MORE. NOT
PROLIFIC TO WRITE SCRIPT. TO BE DIRECTOR.  YES, SURE.
CHILDREN BOMBS IN CONSCIOUSNESS, CAN'T READ ARABIC.
THANK YOU, LARRY...
KING:  GNARLY, DUDE.
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Re: [CTRL] Israelis To Confine Arabs to Ghetto

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That bunch of murdering dogs in the little bastard state
called Israel should be driven out because they are a bunch
of Khazars and have not business there in the first place,
except that they are a bunch of lying, thieving dogs


flw wrote:
>
> -Caveat Lector-
>
> > The Israeli military are the best in the world at discriminate urban
> > warfare. The US and other countries send their military and police to
> >LEARN HOW TO CONTROL A VIOLENT POPULATION AND KEEP
> >CIVILIAN CASUALTIES LOW. The Israelis do it well.
> > J2
>
> What nonsense!
>
> Tell that to the 95 yr old Palestinian Grandmother shot point
> blank by an Israeli soldier while sitting in a car at a checkpoint.
> Tell that to the dozens of women and children murdered when
> the Israeli's dropped a 2000 lb bomb on a crowded apartment
> complex in the dead of night.
>
> The only reason the Israelis have not completely extirminated the
> Palestinians is they fear world reaction. Recently several European
> nations (and perhaps the US) have warned Sharon not to indulge
> in 'ethnic cleansing' when the US invades Iraq.
>
> Guess the Israelis send their soldiers to the same school as
> the US military when it comes to killing civilians since the US
> has killed more civilians (except perhaps for Stalin) then any
> other country over the past 100 years.
> flw
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Re: [CTRL] What God Thinks of Race Mixing

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   You obviously don't understand what the study was about.
Is the reason that you are married to a nigger or some other
alien race?


flw wrote:
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> According to this fool, all races should stay where they belong.
> Guess the 'white race' should go back to where they came
> from which according to language and DNA analysis is
> someplace in India.
>
> This certainly would make the American Indians very happy
> indeed!
>
> BTW, how do you define "race'. Recent DNA analysis shows
> that skin color is the least important racial characteristic in
> terms of racial roots.
> flw
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>
> This certainly would make the American Indians very happy
> indeed!
>
> BTW, how do you define "race'. Recent DNA analysis shows
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Re: [CTRL] Burning whats?

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   Ramsey Clark is a damn perverted blood thirsty jew


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> WAR CRIMES
> A Report on United States War Crimes Against Iraq to the Commission of Inquiry for
> the International War Crimes Tribunal
>
> by Ramsey Clark and Others
>
> Incinerated body of an Iraqi soldier on the "Highway of Death," a name the press
> has given to the road from Mutlaa, Kuwait, to Basra, Iraq. U.S. planes immobilized 
>the
> convoy by disabling vehicles at its front and rear, then bombing and straffing the
> resulting traffic jam for hours. More than 2,000 vehicles and tens of thousands of
> charred and dismembered bodies littered the sixty miles of highway. The clear rapid
> incineration of the human being [pictured above] suggests the use of napalm,
> phosphorus, or other incindiary bombs. These are anti-personnel weapons outlawed
> under the 1977 Geneva Protocols. This massive attack occurred after Saddam Hussein
> announced a complete troop withdrawl from Kuwait in compliance with UN Resolution
> 660. Such a massacre of withdrawing Iraqi soldiers violates the Geneva Convention of
> 1949, common article 3, which outlaws the killing of soldiers who "are out of 
>combat."
> There are, in addition, strong indications that many of those killed were 
>Palestinian and
> Kuwaiti civilians trying to escape the impending seige of Kuwait City and the return 
>of
> Kuwaiti armed forces. No attempt was made by U.S. military command to distinguish
> between military personnel and civilians on the "highway of death." The whole intent 
>of
> international law with regard to war is to prevent just this sort of indescriminate 
>and
> excessive use of force.
> (Photo Credit: © 1991 Kenneth Jarecke / Contact Press Images)
>
> "It has never happened in history that a nation that has won a war has been held
> accountable for atrocities committed in preparing for and waging that war. We intend 
>to
> make this one different. What took place was the use of technological material to
> destroy a defenseless country. From 125,000 to 300,000 people were killed... We
> recognize our role in history is to bring the transgressors to justice." Ramsey Clark
>
> Next » Preface
>
> Ramsey Clark served as U.S. Attorney General in the administration of Lyndon
> Johnson. He is the convener of the Commission of Inquiry and a human rights lawyer of
> world-wide respect. This report was given in New York, May 11, 1991.
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> Index
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> WWW URL: http://deoxy.org/warcrime.htm
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[CTRL] Was The Estonia Sinking Sabotage?

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The Washington Times
www.washingtontimes.com

Suspicions surround sunken ferry
Drew Wilson
SPECIAL TO THE WASHINGTON TIMES

Published January 12, 2003
---
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 STOCKHOLM - Gregg Bemis infuriated Swedish authorities two years ago
by organizing a dive to investigate the sinking of the luxury ferry
Estonia.
 Because dives to the wreck are banned by a "grave-site treaty," Mr.
Bemis, a New Mexico businessman, faces arrest if he sets foot in Sweden.
Yet Mr. Bemis thinks he has found evidence of foul play and would like to
set up another dive to the site 240 feet deep in the Baltic Sea.
 He joins a chorus of people who do not believe the official
explanation for the Estonia's sinking, in which 852 persons perished on a
stormy night more than eight years ago, and he is calling for an
independent investigation.
 "I've proposed a forensic examination of the wreck, a scientific
expedition, with Swedish observers on board," he said. "Why won't they
allow me to do that?"
 On Sept. 28, 1994, the Estonia passenger ferry sank halfway between
Tallinn and Stockholm on an overnight cruise. A luxury boat eight stories
high and as long as a city block, the Estonia had a nightclub, pool,
casino, restaurants and shops. The ship flipped on its side in the middle
of the night and sank in about 35 minutes.
 Passengers who could get out of their cabins had to fight their way up
stairs that were turning sideways. Doors for escape became unreachable 10
feet overhead. The 1,000 passengers had only 10 minutes to get off the ship
before climbing became impossible and the lights went out.
 "We found mayhem on the ship," said Johan Fransson, head of Sweden's
Maritime Administration, who supervised a government dive to the wreck in
1994. "A lot of bodies were found in the stairwells. This was chaos."
  In 1997, a trigovernment commission with members from Sweden, Estonia
and Finland, the Joint Accident Investigation Committee (JAIC), released a
final report on the sinking, which was intended to close the books on
Europe's worst peacetime ferry disaster.
 Many people believe the final report is dead wrong.
 "I don't know why the Estonia sank, but I'm quite sure it didn't
happen like the report said," said Tom Heyman, a member of Sweden's
Moderate Party who recently retired from parliament. "That is a forgery
from the start to the beginning. Everybody was trying to protect their own
interests as best as they could."
 Independent investigators have raised legitimate questions that
challenge the JAIC conclusions. Reasoned debates have degenerated into
personal attacks on both sides, underscoring the deep emotions still
aroused by the Estonia disaster.
 The core disagreement involves how the ferry sank. The JAIC said that
waves tore off the ship's bow visor, a 55-ton steel door on the nose of the
ship. The bow visor flips up like the visor on a knight's head armor, a
steel ramp comes down and vehicles drive aboard.
 In rough seas, the JAIC said, the visor was torn off and caught on the
ramp, yanking it open. Seawater rushed onto the car deck, and the huge
passenger ferry flipped on its side and sank to the bottom of the Baltic
Sea in about 35 minutes.
 The JAIC cited faulty design of the bow-visor locks as the main
contributing cause of the disaster and blamed the Joseph L. Meyer GmbH &
Co. shipyard in Papenburg, Germany, which built the Estonia in 1980.
 Anders Bjorkman, a naval architect based in Paris and part-owner of
similar ferries in the Middle East, began doing stability calculations
because he was concerned his ferries could suffer the Estonia's fate.
 "We soon found out nothing was correct from the [stability
calculations] in the final report," he said.
 Mr. Bjorkman, a staunch critic of the JAIC, says that if water flowed
onto the car deck, which is above the water line, the ship would have
flipped upside down but that it ended up floating on trapped air.
 He says the Estonia left the dock in Tallinn with a slight tilt to
starboard, the right side, probably increased by the wind. If water enters
the car deck from the bow area, it runs to the lowest point: starboard. As
more water flows in, it adds more weight to starboard, until the ship flops
on its side, and eventually turns upside down and floats.
 "Below the car deck is the watertight hull, 14 compartments on which
the ship floats in a normal situation," Mr. Bjorkman said. "This represents
18,000 cubic meters of trapped air that the ship would float on."
 Werner Hummel, head of Marine Claims Partner GmbH of Germany, who was
hired by the shipyard to investigate the disaster, agrees. Only over time
would seawater penetrate the ship and push out air.
 "This is simple physics," Mr. Hummel says, adding that an intact ship
would have floated for at least several hours, if not a day.
 Tuomo Karppinen, former JA

Re: [CTRL] Israelis To Confine Arabs to Ghetto

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> The Israeli military are the best in the world at discriminate urban
> warfare. The US and other countries send their military and police to
>LEARN HOW TO CONTROL A VIOLENT POPULATION AND KEEP
>CIVILIAN CASUALTIES LOW. The Israelis do it well.
> J2

What nonsense!

Tell that to the 95 yr old Palestinian Grandmother shot point
blank by an Israeli soldier while sitting in a car at a checkpoint.
Tell that to the dozens of women and children murdered when
the Israeli's dropped a 2000 lb bomb on a crowded apartment
complex in the dead of night.

The only reason the Israelis have not completely extirminated the
Palestinians is they fear world reaction. Recently several European
nations (and perhaps the US) have warned Sharon not to indulge
in 'ethnic cleansing' when the US invades Iraq.

Guess the Israelis send their soldiers to the same school as
the US military when it comes to killing civilians since the US
has killed more civilians (except perhaps for Stalin) then any
other country over the past 100 years.
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Re: [CTRL] What God Thinks of Race Mixing

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According to this fool, all races should stay where they belong.
Guess the 'white race' should go back to where they came
from which according to language and DNA analysis is
someplace in India.

This certainly would make the American Indians very happy
indeed!

BTW, how do you define "race'. Recent DNA analysis shows
that skin color is the least important racial characteristic in
terms of racial roots.
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Re: [CTRL] CANNIBALISM: Pygmies Being Killed and Eaten in Congo

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> That was a Mossad false flag operation. The " Israeli" dressed
>up as black Africans and killed and ate the Italians because the
>Italians were pro-Palestinian. I can't believe you don't know this!
>You are usually so attuned to Israeli  atrocities.Tsk, tsk.
> J2

Yes this is true. However you leave out the most important part
of this scandal as reported in the Jerusalum Post -
Israel's Chief Rabbi was paid thousands under the table to
declare the meat Kosher.
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Re: [CTRL] US Will Attack Iraq 'Without UN Backing'

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It's not only the Iraq, where people will have to live with death
and destruction on their streets and tanks crushing people alive
under their homes.

Israel will definitely use the situation to "bring peace"
to "their lands". I.e. "riots due to iraq war" will easily
claim a few thousand palestinian lives, with no news coverage.
Or maybe Israel will simply wipe them out alltogether. I know
I would certainly use the opportunity.. Perhaps a botched
"chemical terrorist attack" will go wrong in some palestinian
territory...

However, it is nice to see that at least some of them have the
guts to come out and say that they are doing it to get the Iraqi
oil. It would take an absolutely total idiot to believe the Bush
party bullshit lines about "Liberating Iraq" or how a few minor
UN resolution violations could justify it, when Israel is ignoring
and violating hundreds of them at the same time AND openly developing
and building chemical, biological and nuclear weapons.

Greed is always the motive for aggressive war, and IF EVER there
has been an aggressive war, this is one. "Make no mistake about it!"
- like the man said.

However, it is sad to see American "Christians" supporting it or not
doing anything worth while to stop their government. Theirs will be
the biggest sin, as millions will die in vain. There is no way there
can be less victims in this war, no matter what the US propaganda
bullshit machines will claim. And most of them will be women and young
childred dying of dirty water and hunger. - The US will first bomb all
water purification plants and infrastructure, causing a humanitarian
catastrophe. THUS indirectly causing the deaths of around a million
Iraqi's. The numbers you will see in the news of about 100 000 casualties
will be JUST in direct result of casualties of the bombings.

Rather than liberating Iraqis from their oil, the Americans should
liberate themselves from their current corporate business tyranny,
that is driving this lust for war, but alas, the slaves have their
shackles wrought of iron and preciouss gold.

On Sat, 11 Jan 2003, goldi316 wrote:

> -Caveat Lector-
>
> What else could we expect from our most rabid warhawk?  This, coupled
> with the announcement of Rumsfeld signing off on an additional
> deployment of 35,000 troops to the region yesterday is ominous indeed.
> It seems our foolhardy government has committed itself to this
> destructive path even in the face of the ever-growing dissent both at
> home and abroad, without giving themselves a graceful way to back out
> without the needed support to continue.  Now if only we could get the
> troops to refuse to fight...  This is criminally insane!
>
>
> US Will Attack Iraq 'Without UN Backing'
> By Toby Harnden
> Daily Telegraph UK
> 
>http://www.dailytelegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/01/10/wirq110.xml&sSheet=/news/2003/01/10/ixnewstop.html

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[CTRL] Re: Napoleon's death and a conspiracy theory

2003-01-12 Thread John Miller

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Napoleon's death and a conspiracy theory

Napoleon died in exile on the island of St. Helena in 1821 at 5:49pm May 5th
1821, and today's Sunday Times supplement mentions, "The one thing everybody
agrees on is that at Longwood House, St Helena, at 11 minutes to six on the
evening of May 5, 1821, a man resembling Napoleon died."

So the argument continues as to whether he was poisoned by arsenic, or did
he succumb to stomach cancer as his doctors said. This debate has been
smoldering for years. And Ben Weider of the International Napoleonic
Society, has made the case for arsenic poisoning before a group of French
historians, scientists, and politicians at a luncheon on May 5th, the 179th
anniversary of Napoleon's death. He argues that Napoleon was quietly
murdered to prevent any possibility of his return to France by infusions of
arsenic in his wine. Accounts by those around Napoleon in his last years are
full of allusions to physical problems such as light sensitivity, hair loss,
sleep problems, and neurological symptoms consistent with arsenic poisoning.

Now those of the Fringe have no methodology according to some, if not most
of the serious minded academics. But in my case this is not strictly true,
because I seem to keep to the investigative techniques within my own way of
number crunching, including the method of date consideration.

OK, now we know Napoleon once visited the King's Chamber in the Great
Pyramid and suffered a supernatural happening he never seemingly spoke
about. So he could have been told by telepathy of his own death as stood by
the granite sarcophagus.

The reason I say this is to study the time and date of death in relationship
to the establishment of the Order of the Illuminati on May 1st 1774, that is
over 47 years before Napoleon's death.

So my Fringe methodology takes note of the time at 5.49pm and so it is day
124.74236 of the year divided by 365.242198 days + 1821 is 1821.34153326.

And so counting from May 1st 1774 there is 47.01298400 years to Napoleon's
death x 12 months x 15 lots is equivalent to 203 x 41.68638975 cubic feet
(72,034.080 cubic inches), about the internal volume of the Coffer within
the King's Chamber.

And the reference number 203 is that of the jaguar, the most ferocious land
animal in the world. With the goddess Isis at 58 x 7/2 is 203.

Also the goddess Isis at 58,000,000 /3 and squared, the cube root is
72,034.048 cubic inches, so Isis 'formed' the Coffer of herself.

Please don't lets argue that the internal volume of the Coffer is also given
as 72,033.875 cubic inches, but then this is from a male perspective, where
Napoleon of course required a female perspective.

So 5:49pm May 5th 1821 placed Napoleon into the sarcophagus of the King's
Chamber in the Great Pyramid, and no doubt as he went through Death's Door
into Hades, he appeared this glorious killing machine, standing next to the
Queen of Death, and walked among the many now dead '126ers' that his own
very soldiers had in fact killed in the battlefields of Europe.

Yes, the Fringe methodology is rather more romantic and dreamlike, and so
blames the Order of the Illuminati for Napoleon's death.

JohnDM

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Re: [CTRL] Military Using Depleted Uranium in Afghanistan and Here

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Make that 713 million years...

> Do you know what's the half-life of Uranium-235? It's 13 million years.
> Do you know what it does when it's extremely toxic dust enters the air
> and pollutes the ecosystems? - You probably will. Personally.
>
> Military Using Depleted Uranium in Afghanistan and Here
> http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/011103E.dpltd.urnim.htm
>
> Afghanistan: The Nuclear Nightmare Starts
> By Davey Garland
> CoastalPost.com
>
> When questions were asked in the British parliament a year ago about
> whether depleted uranium (DU) weapons had been used in the military
> strikes on Afghanistan, "It is not being used at present" was defense
> minister Geoff Hoon's reply.
>
> A few days earlier, Hoon had been similarly vague on the issue, assuring
> us that: "No British forces currently engaged in operations around
> Afghanistan are armed with depleted uranium ammunition. However, we do not
> rule out the use of depleted uranium ammunition in Afghanistan, should its
> penetrative capability be judged necessary in the future."
>
> The defense minister played his cards close to his chest, no doubt having
> been informed that DU or other uranium weapons were being used by the
> United States (and no doubt British) forces to penetrate the caverns of
> Tora Bora and other targets (including civilian ones), especially in the
> vicinity of Kabul.
>
> The refusal of the Ministry of Defense to fully admit that dangerous
> uranium weapons may have been used in Afghanistan and the conflicts in the
> Balkans (Bosnia and Kosova), when evidence shows the contrary, illustrates
> just how sensitive the government is to the possibility that its use, or
> its collusion in the use, of weapons of mass destruction may be
> discovered.
>
> This is not just because thousands of innocent civilians will suffer due
> to radiological (and heavy metal) poisoning, but also because the
> government is prepared to send British troops and aid workers, possibly
> for a long occupation of the war zones, ill-equipped and vulnerable to
> contamination.
>
> When the Afghan crisis began, many of us believed that a great amount of
> DU/dirty uranium would be used to achieve the US-British campaign
> objectives, both to penetrate the opposition's hideouts in rocky terrain
> and to test new weapons systems (dirty uranium or dirty DU contains
> radioactive contaminants, such as plutonium isotopes, derived from spent
> fuel from power reactors). The amount used in Afghanistan might have
> exceeded the several hundred ton's of DU/dirty uranium used in the 1990-91
> Gulf War and the Balkans conflicts.
>
> Startling report
>
> A startling new report based on research in Afghanistan indicates that our
> worst fears have been realized. The study, produced by the Uranium Medical
> Research Centre (UMRC), points to the likelihood of large numbers of the
> population being exposed to uranium dust and debris.
>
> Dr. Asaf Durakovic, a professor of nuclear medicine and radiology and a
> former science adviser to the US military, who set-up the independent
> UMRC, has been testing US, British, and Canadian troops and civilians for
> DU and uranium poisoning over the past few years. His findings confirm
> significant amounts in the subjects' urine as much as nine years after
> exposure.
>
> Two scientific study teams were sent to Afghanistan in the aftermath of
> the conflict in 2001-02. The first arrived in June 2002, concentrating on
> the Jalalabad region. The second arrived four months later, broadening the
> study to include the capital Kabul, which has a population of nearly 3.5
> million people. The city itself contains the highest recorded number of
> fixed targets during Operation Enduring Freedom. For the study's purposes,
> the vicinity of three major bomb sites were examined.
>
> It was predicted that signatures of depleted or enriched uranium would be
> found in the urine and soil samples taken during the research. The team
> was unprepared for the shock of its findings, which indicated in both
> Jalalabad and Kabul, DU was possibly causing the high levels of illness
> but also high concentrations of non-depleted uranium. Tests taken from a
> number of Jalalabadd subjects showed concentrations 400% to 2000% above
> that for normal populations, amounts which have not been recorded in
> civilian studies before.
>
> Those in Kabul who were directly exposed to US-British precision bombing
> showed extreme signs of contamination, consistent with uranium exposure
> and with some types of chemical or biological weaponry. These included
> pains in joints, back/kidney pain, muscle weakness, memory problems and
> confusion and disorientation. Many of these symptoms are found in Gulf War
> and Balkans veterans and civilians. Those exposed to the bombing report
> symptoms of flu-type illnesses, bleeding, runny noses and blood-stained
> mucous.
>
> The study team itself complained of similar symptoms during their stay.
> Most of these

[CTRL] Military Using Depleted Uranium in Afghanistan and Here

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Do you know what's the half-life of Uranium-235? It's 13 million years.
Do you know what it does when it's extremely toxic dust enters the air
and pollutes the ecosystems? - You probably will. Personally.

Military Using Depleted Uranium in Afghanistan and Here
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/011103E.dpltd.urnim.htm

Afghanistan: The Nuclear Nightmare Starts
By Davey Garland
CoastalPost.com

When questions were asked in the British parliament a year ago about
whether depleted uranium (DU) weapons had been used in the military
strikes on Afghanistan, "It is not being used at present" was defense
minister Geoff Hoon's reply.

A few days earlier, Hoon had been similarly vague on the issue, assuring
us that: "No British forces currently engaged in operations around
Afghanistan are armed with depleted uranium ammunition. However, we do not
rule out the use of depleted uranium ammunition in Afghanistan, should its
penetrative capability be judged necessary in the future."

The defense minister played his cards close to his chest, no doubt having
been informed that DU or other uranium weapons were being used by the
United States (and no doubt British) forces to penetrate the caverns of
Tora Bora and other targets (including civilian ones), especially in the
vicinity of Kabul.

The refusal of the Ministry of Defense to fully admit that dangerous
uranium weapons may have been used in Afghanistan and the conflicts in the
Balkans (Bosnia and Kosova), when evidence shows the contrary, illustrates
just how sensitive the government is to the possibility that its use, or
its collusion in the use, of weapons of mass destruction may be
discovered.

This is not just because thousands of innocent civilians will suffer due
to radiological (and heavy metal) poisoning, but also because the
government is prepared to send British troops and aid workers, possibly
for a long occupation of the war zones, ill-equipped and vulnerable to
contamination.

When the Afghan crisis began, many of us believed that a great amount of
DU/dirty uranium would be used to achieve the US-British campaign
objectives, both to penetrate the opposition's hideouts in rocky terrain
and to test new weapons systems (dirty uranium or dirty DU contains
radioactive contaminants, such as plutonium isotopes, derived from spent
fuel from power reactors). The amount used in Afghanistan might have
exceeded the several hundred ton's of DU/dirty uranium used in the 1990-91
Gulf War and the Balkans conflicts.

Startling report

A startling new report based on research in Afghanistan indicates that our
worst fears have been realized. The study, produced by the Uranium Medical
Research Centre (UMRC), points to the likelihood of large numbers of the
population being exposed to uranium dust and debris.

Dr. Asaf Durakovic, a professor of nuclear medicine and radiology and a
former science adviser to the US military, who set-up the independent
UMRC, has been testing US, British, and Canadian troops and civilians for
DU and uranium poisoning over the past few years. His findings confirm
significant amounts in the subjects' urine as much as nine years after
exposure.

Two scientific study teams were sent to Afghanistan in the aftermath of
the conflict in 2001-02. The first arrived in June 2002, concentrating on
the Jalalabad region. The second arrived four months later, broadening the
study to include the capital Kabul, which has a population of nearly 3.5
million people. The city itself contains the highest recorded number of
fixed targets during Operation Enduring Freedom. For the study's purposes,
the vicinity of three major bomb sites were examined.

It was predicted that signatures of depleted or enriched uranium would be
found in the urine and soil samples taken during the research. The team
was unprepared for the shock of its findings, which indicated in both
Jalalabad and Kabul, DU was possibly causing the high levels of illness
but also high concentrations of non-depleted uranium. Tests taken from a
number of Jalalabadd subjects showed concentrations 400% to 2000% above
that for normal populations, amounts which have not been recorded in
civilian studies before.

Those in Kabul who were directly exposed to US-British precision bombing
showed extreme signs of contamination, consistent with uranium exposure
and with some types of chemical or biological weaponry. These included
pains in joints, back/kidney pain, muscle weakness, memory problems and
confusion and disorientation. Many of these symptoms are found in Gulf War
and Balkans veterans and civilians. Those exposed to the bombing report
symptoms of flu-type illnesses, bleeding, runny noses and blood-stained
mucous.

The study team itself complained of similar symptoms during their stay.
Most of these symptoms last for days or months. The team also conducted a
preliminary sample examination of new-born infants, discovering that at
least 25% may be suffering from congenital and post-natal health pro

[CTRL] US Will Attack Without UN Backing

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Israel Defying Hundreds of UN Resolutions to be Nuked Next???

http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/011203A.perle.attack.htm

US Will Attack Iraq 'Without UN Backing'
By Toby Harnden
Daily Telegraph UK

Friday 10 January 2003

America will not delay a war with Iraq until the autumn and is prepared to
launch military action against Saddam Hussein without further United
Nations authorisation, a senior Bush administration adviser said
yesterday.

Richard Perle, chairman of the Pentagon's Defence Policy Board and a hawk
whose views carry considerable weight, rejected suggestions from British
ministers and senior Foreign Office officials that plans for an early war
should be put on hold.

Mr Perle, who is close to Donald Rumsfeld, the US defence secretary, said
he did not expect the UN Security Council to reach agreement on the use of
force but had little doubt that George W Bush, the US president, would
press ahead regardless and lead a coalition to victory.

"I'm assuming that we will not get a consensus on the Security Council but
it may be possible to get it," he said. "It would be a great mistake to
become dependent on it and take the view that we can't act separately.

"That would be an abrogation of the president's responsibility."

Mr Perle stressed that as an outside adviser he could not speak for the
Bush administration. But with Mr Rumsfeld and his ally Vice-President Dick
Cheney, now the driving force behind US foreign policy, his pronouncements
have taken on increasing importance.

Mr Perle said inspectors would not find actual weapons in the face of
Iraqi concealment. "If that's the test, we're never going to find a
smoking gun," said Mr Perle.

He criticised Hans Blix, the chief UN weapons inspector, for his handling
of the inspections. He said inspectors had mainly visited previously known
sites.

"They are the last place you would expect Saddam to put something," Mr
Perle said. "You would have to be a complete idiot to do that. The
inspectors returning to known sites makes Blix look foolish."

The Swede "has a history from when he was head of the International Atomic
Energy Agency and Saddam built a nuclear capability right under his nose",
he added.

Mr Perle suggested that American patience with the UN inspections process
was limited and closely linked to the military timetable that makes it
very difficult to fight a war after March because of the searing heat.

He said: "If there's no change in Saddam's attitude I think there'll be a
reluctance to continue this without a clear indication that our patience
will be rewarded by a UN Security Council consensus.

"A consensus would be a useful thing and I think we'd be willing to wait a
little longer to get it but not a long time."

Mr Perle said America had been right to go to the UN to seek Resolution
1441, passed unanimously in November, because it "produced a consensus in
support of significant demands" but the UN had only a limited role in
dealing with Saddam.

"The question now of course is whether the UN having done that [passed
1441] will insist that its demands be met or revert to its previous
posture which was to pass resolutions but not take the actions necessary
to ensure compliance with them."

He expressed doubt that Tony Blair had asked or would ask Mr Bush to delay
war until the autumn and accused those who sought such a delay of being
opposed to ousting Saddam in any event.

Although Mr Perle did not mention them, a number of US State Department
diplomats are implacably opposed to war.

They were encouraged by the views of the ministers and the Foreign Office,
reported in The Telegraph yesterday, as well as recent comments by Jack
Straw, the Foreign Secretary, that the chances of war were "60:40
against".

Mr Perle said: "There are nations on the UN Security Council against
taking military action so they will try to slow any movement towards
military action."

America and its allies, he insisted, already had the legal and moral
justification for war. "We might be acting without a resolution from the
UN authorising it but I think the administration can make a strong case
that Saddam's defiance of a variety of resolutions passed previously could
be understood to justify military action."

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distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in
receiving the included information for research and educational purposes.)

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[CTRL] America Plans to Liberate Iraq From Its Oil

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The White House Plan: Tap Iraq's Oil
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/011203E.wh.plan.oil.htm

Plan: Tap Iraq's Oil
U.S. Considers Seizing Revenues to Pay for Occupation, Source Says
By Knut Royce
Newsday Special Correspondent

Friday 10 January 2003

Washington - Bush administration officials are seriously considering
proposals that the United States tap Iraq's oil to help pay the cost of a
military occupation, a move that likely would prove highly inflammatory in
an Arab world already suspicious of U.S. motives in Iraq.

Officially, the White House agrees that oil revenue would play an
important role during an occupation period, but only for the benefit of
Iraqis, according to a National Security Council spokesman.

Yet there are strong advocates inside the administration, including in the
White House, for appropriating the oil funds as "spoils of war," according
to a source who has been briefed by participants in the dialogue.

"There are people in the White House who take the position that it's all
the spoils of war," said the source, who asked not to be further
identified. "We [the United States] take all the oil money until there is
a new democratic government [in Iraq]."

The source said the Justice Department has urged caution. "The Justice
Department has doubts," he said. He said department lawyers are unsure
"whether any of it [Iraqi oil funds] can be used or has to all be held in
trust for the people of Iraq."

Another source who has worked closely with the office of Vice President
Dick Cheney said that a number of officials there too are urging that
Iraq's oil funds be used to defray the cost of occupation.

Jennifer Millerwise, a Cheney spokeswoman, declined to talk about
"internal policy discussions."

Using Iraqi oil to fund an occupation would reinforce a prevalent belief
in the Mideast that the conflict is all about control of oil, not rooting
out weapons of mass destruction, according to Halim Barakat, a recently
retired professor of Arab studies at Georgetown University.

"It would mean that the real ... objective of the war is not the
democratization of Iraq, not getting rid of Saddam, not to liberate the
Iraqi people, but a return to colonialism," he said. "That is how they
[Mideast nations] would perceive it."

The Congressional Budget Office estimates that the cost of an occupation
would range from $12 billion to $48 billion a year, and officials believe
an occupation could last 1 1/2 years or more.

And Iraq has a lot of oil. Its proven oil reserves are second in the world
only to Saudi Arabia's. But how much revenue could be generated is an open
question. The budget office estimates Iraq now is producing nearly 2.8
million barrels a day, with 80 percent of the revenues going for the
United Nations Oil for Food Program or domestic consumption. The remaining
20 percent, worth about $3 billion a year, is generated by oil smuggling
and much of it goes to support Saddam Hussein's military. In theory that
is the money that could be used for reconstruction or to help defer
occupation costs.

Yet with fresh drilling and new equipment Iraq could produce much more. By
some estimates, however, it would take 10 years to fully restore Iraq's
oil industry. Conversely, if Hussein torches the fields, as he did in
Kuwait in 1991, it would take a year or more to resume even a modest flow.
And, of course, it is impossible to predict the price of oil.

Laurence Meyer, a former Federal Reserve Board governor who chaired a
Center for Strategic and International Studies conference in November on
the economic consequences of a war with Iraq, said that conference
participants deliberately avoided the question of whether Iraq should help
pay occupation or other costs. "It's a very politically sensitive issue,"
he said. "... We're in a situation where we're going to be very sensitive
to how our actions are perceived in the Arab world."

Meyer said officials who believe Iraq's oil could defer some of the
occupation costs may be "too optimistic about how much you could increase
[oil production] and how long it would take to reinvest in the
infrastructure and reinvest in additional oil."

An administration source said that most of the proposals for the conduct
of the war and implementation of plans for a subsequent occupation are
being drafted by the Pentagon. Last month a respected Washington think
tank prepared a classified briefing commissioned by Andrew Marshall, the
Pentagon's influential director of Net Assessment, on the future role of
U.S. Special Forces in the global war against terrorism, among other
issues. Part of the presentation recommended that oil funds be used to
defray the costs of a military occupation in Iraq, according to a source
who helped prepare the report.

He said that the study, undertaken by the Center for Strategic and
Budgetary Assessments, concluded that "the cost of the occupation, the
cost for the military administration and providing for a provisional
[civilian

[CTRL] The Cradle Land - 6 (Last One)

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Its original form was "Kitai," and by this name is still known in Russia and 
to most of the nations of Central Asia. The name "Sin" probably came to Europe through 
the Arabs, who made the China of the Father East into Sin and perhaps sometimes in 
Tsin.

Claudius Ptolemy called Chinese the Sinae. The Encyclopedia says also that the 
name "Kitai" was given to northern China by foreign conquerors from the north; Mongols 
and antecedents of the Manchus. Southern China was conquered and subjected to Mongol 
rule about 1276. Til then it had remained under a native dynasty; the Sung of Sing. 
Now "Kitai" is another form of "Kittim," son of Javan, son of Japhet. (Genesis 10:4) 
So we have here the same ethnic condition as exists in Turkey, Russia, etc., today, a 
ruling and a subject race.

Northern China was the nearest country on the east and south to the families 
of Japhet, when they moved north of Pamir, so their prophesied "enlargement' naturally 
carried them into it as conquerors of the land of those Canaanites who had reached it 
through the "Tarim Basin."

When we consider the history of ethnic movements, we find that in every 
quarter of the globe a lower type of man has been pioneering and preparing for the 
advent of the higher races. Today the weaker intellect and more stunted stature are 
found at the extremities of the earth. This would answer to an early diffusion of the 
Hamitic races before the higher Japhetic and Shemitic races divided the world between 
them.

Canaan was the only one of Ham's children selected for a destiny service. The 
predominance of the Canaanite element in this dispersion is strikingly illustrated by 
names of people and places still found in remote corners on the map of the world. Thus 
the Amur River in eastern Siberia may ark a settlement of the "Amorites," the "Arkite" 
is found in the province of Further India named "Arak-an," and the "Arvadite" is 
strictly the Arwdi, corresponding almost exactly in sound to the name of the river 
Irrawaddy, which flows through Burma.

Finally the ethnological researches of W.H.M. Milner, professor of philology 
at Oxford, England, established a school of evidence before which former teachings 
became untenable. Want of a reasonable basis of deduction had given rise to the claim 
of an Aryan race of which Saxons are a development, but now they have been proven 
historically, geographically and by lineal descent to be of the blood of Abraham: 
"heirs of the Promise," for Shem was by divine appointment "Priest of the Most High 
God" and "guardian of the Promise."






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and go on the rest of their lives defending it, without ever
re-examining it to see whether time and the elements have
caused it to decay into a worthless handful of dust. In that
way you can be always consisten; and often wrong." (Raymond
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[CTRL] Burning whats?

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WAR CRIMES
A Report on United States War Crimes Against Iraq to the Commission of Inquiry for
the International War Crimes Tribunal

by Ramsey Clark and Others



Incinerated body of an Iraqi soldier on the "Highway of Death," a name the press
has given to the road from Mutlaa, Kuwait, to Basra, Iraq. U.S. planes immobilized the
convoy by disabling vehicles at its front and rear, then bombing and straffing the
resulting traffic jam for hours. More than 2,000 vehicles and tens of thousands of
charred and dismembered bodies littered the sixty miles of highway. The clear rapid
incineration of the human being [pictured above] suggests the use of napalm,
phosphorus, or other incindiary bombs. These are anti-personnel weapons outlawed
under the 1977 Geneva Protocols. This massive attack occurred after Saddam Hussein
announced a complete troop withdrawl from Kuwait in compliance with UN Resolution
660. Such a massacre of withdrawing Iraqi soldiers violates the Geneva Convention of
1949, common article 3, which outlaws the killing of soldiers who "are out of combat."
There are, in addition, strong indications that many of those killed were Palestinian 
and
Kuwaiti civilians trying to escape the impending seige of Kuwait City and the return of
Kuwaiti armed forces. No attempt was made by U.S. military command to distinguish
between military personnel and civilians on the "highway of death." The whole intent of
international law with regard to war is to prevent just this sort of indescriminate and
excessive use of force.
(Photo Credit: © 1991 Kenneth Jarecke / Contact Press Images)

"It has never happened in history that a nation that has won a war has been held
accountable for atrocities committed in preparing for and waging that war. We intend to
make this one different. What took place was the use of technological material to
destroy a defenseless country. From 125,000 to 300,000 people were killed... We
recognize our role in history is to bring the transgressors to justice." Ramsey Clark

Next » Preface

Ramsey Clark served as U.S. Attorney General in the administration of Lyndon
Johnson. He is the convener of the Commission of Inquiry and a human rights lawyer of
world-wide respect. This report was given in New York, May 11, 1991.


Index

WWW URL: http://deoxy.org/warcrime.htm
Copyright © 1992 by The Commission of Inquiry for the International War Crimes
Tribunal

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[CTRL] Solana, the EU and religion

2003-01-12 Thread Zuukie

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I am sending this piece in plain text because of the size.  I hope you
will cut and paste the sites and follow thru on the material, as tedious
as it may be.  If you do, you will be way ahead of the crowd that is
waiting for others to tell them what is happening.

Why am I sending this? The European Union is growing and may surpass the
US in power. This can affect the military decisions and economic
position of the United States.  (Read jobs and military decisions.)
Cooperation with the EU and Solana will cause cultural changes which
will affect monotheists.  The European Union is taking a pro-Palestinian
stand.  (Strange as the coincidence may seem, Hitler attempted to
destroy the Jews first because they were the smallest group.)  Javier
Solana is the key player in European Union activities.  There is very
definitely a New Age political face to this power...growth of a single
governmental power, dislike of monotheism and the morality it promotes.
Sounds like another movement that grew in the 20's and '30s.  Many who
read this would like to see monotheistic religion dropped as a
determinant of a culture's morality.  I can only remind them that power
corrupts.

Constance Cumbey has been following Solana's activities since 1995.  She
recently called attention to an important statement by Solana.

This is the story on which the email subject line and the following two
comments are based:

http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/world/story/0,4386,165132,00.html

It should be interesting to see how Solana and company want to settle
the situation in the Mideast without taking Judaism and Islam into
account.  Probably all will be told you can have your rituals and
spirituality in public, but keep your own morality in your house, behind
closed doors if it is in disagreement in any way with what the decreed
public morality is ordered to be.

1.  This is a transcript of AM broadcast at 08:00 AEST on local radio.
EU says US letting religion drive its foreign policy
AM - Thursday, January  9, 2003 8:03
LINDA MOTTRAM: America and its allies continue to prepare for a war in
Iraq but Europe is attempting to assert its position more strongly with
the EU's foreign policy chief accusing the US of letting religion drive
its policy on Iraq and terrorism.

The European Union's High Representative on Foreign Policy, Javier
Solana, made the comments as the German media reported that UN weapons
inspectors have failed to find proof of US assertions that Iraq has
resumed production of biological weapons.

Rafael Epstein reports.

RAFAEL EPSTEIN: When President George W. Bush described Iran, Iraq and
North Korea as an axis of evil, it failed to impress the continent where
such a phrase has historical resonance.

EU foreign policy chief Javier Solana says the choice of language of the
two sides of the Atlantic is revealing.

He says the US tendency for its foreign policy to swing between going it
alone and working with bodies like the UN is a tendency that now more
than ever is being swung by religion.

He says the US is increasingly looking at things in a religious context.
He told the Financial Times newspaper, the US stance is "all or nothing,
for us Europeans it's difficult to deal with because we are secular. We
do not see the world in such black and white terms."

That contrasts with his words immediately after the September 11 attacks
when he offered Europe support with a qualification.

JAVIER SOLANA: A blank cheque, we'd never have given a blank cheque to
anybody as far as Europe is concerned. That the American people, the
American government, the American Institutions, they know, that they can
count on the European people, European institutions, European
governments.

RAFAEL EPSTEIN: Europe appears unable to muster enthusiasm for a war.
Today, a German newspaper, Die Tageszeitung, claims the UN's chief
weapons inspector Hans Blix, will reject many of the claims made by the
UK and US governments against Saddam Hussein.

The paper says, UN inspectors have failed to find evidence of claims
that Iraq has resumed production of biological warfare agents at key
sites.

And with Greece now in control of the EU's rotating presidency, their
foreign minister, George Papandreou has announced he'll visit seven Arab
states in February. A time when the weapons inspectors will have
reported to the Security Council and the US could be building support
for a war.

Mr Papandreou says all possible hope for a peaceful settlement has not
been exhausted.

GEORGE PAPANDREOU: We very much want to see that we can follow, we can
have a positive development with Iraq.

That is the full implementation of the UN resolutions and I think this
is what will guarantee that we will have peace. So we certainly would
like to get that message across.


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Arab News
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http://www.arabnews.com/Article.asp?ID=21893

Editorial: Sharons chances
12 January 2003
Published on 12 January 2003

One of the oddest things about the political mess into which Israeli Premier Ariel 
Sharon
has got himself is that it is illegal under Israel electoral law to accept campaign
contributions from abroad. Israels entire existence has long depended upon economic
and military aid from successive United States governments, along with hefty flows of
cash from the world Zionist community, many of whom are also US-based.

Yet here is the Likud partys Ariel Sharon, the most hawkish Zionist leader of Israel
since Menachem Begin, under serious attack for taking a $1.5 million loan from a South
African friend, which was used to pay back excessive and therefore also illegal
campaign contributions from supporters in Israel.

Coupled with the recent court overthrow of an electoral ban on the Knessets only two
Arab legislators, it may seem as if Israel is shifting away from its repressive stance 
on
the Palestinians and that, just over two weeks before the general election, liberal 
views
are gaining an unexpected ascendancy.

Such optimism is almost certainly unfounded. Two characteristics about Israel have
long been clear. The first is that in matters of domestic politics, the general rule 
is a free-
for-all in which there is little loyalty and even less stability. Israeli politicians 
tend to
dislike each other with an unusual vehemence. There is a constant struggle to reach the
top of the greasy poll. Few leaders have been able to count for very long on the 
support
of political allies, whether they are in the same party or part of a coalition.

The second characteristic however is the more important. It is that whatever the
personal differences, the underlying agenda is never in doubt: to create a stronger and
greater Israel.

Sure there are liberals such as Amram Mitzna, Sharons current Labor opponent, and
Ehud Barak his predecessor, who talk about land for peace and a just settlement for the
Palestinians. But history must judge the sincerity of these people. And history may 
very
well conclude that they are merely the internationally acceptable face of Zionism, 
part of
a long drawn- out good cop, bad cop routine, designed to defuse world impatience
before permitting another outspoken hawk to return to power and resume the racist
agenda, the conclusion of which will see the Palestinian people being thrown out of the
rest of their land.

Zionism has clambered up relentlessly from one political ledge to another. The greatest
of these perches was undoubtedly the Camp David Agreement, which led to the final
recognition by the Arab world of Israels right to exist. This has been used as a 
launch
pad to swoop down on the Palestinians still living in the territory which Zionism has
always claimed as its own. Just as Hitler set out his own terrible agenda in Mein Kampf
in 1924, nine years before the Nazis seized power, so the plan for a greater Israel was
written into Theodor Herzls Jewish State published way back in 1896.

The neat trick that Israeli leaders have always managed is to wear the costume of a
dove over their hawks plumage, whenever it seems necessary to assuage outside
opinion. It appears that Ariel Sharons little bit of dishonesty has damaged his 
partys
overwhelming lead in the polls and there now seems an outside chance that Labor
could win. Were this the case, the upset would be scarcely credible. Why should Israeli
voters, who days ago were rallying around Sharon, their uncompromising strong man,
who promised them even greater provocative suppression of the Palestinians, suddenly
desert him for a so-called peace party, just because he was caught dipping his hand
in the traditional cookie jar of international Zionist support? It doesnt make sense.





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simply because it is written in Holy Scriptures.  Do not believe
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"Here the Khazars appear with the Turks and the Chinese in the portion 
assigned to Tuj, the eldest son. Some of the stories connect the Khazars with Abraham. 
The tale of a meeting in Khurasan between the sons of Keturah (Genesis 25:1; 25:4; 1 
Chronicles 1:32-33) and the Khazars (Ashkenaz) (Genesis 10:3) where the Khaqan is 
Khaqan is mentioned is quoted from the Sa'd and al-Tabari by Poliak.

"The tradition also appears in the Meshed manuscript of ibn-al-Faqih, 
apparently as part of the account of Tamim ibn-Babr's journey to the Uigurs, but it 
goes back to Hishim al-Kalbi. Zeki Validi is inclined to lay some stress on it as a 
real indication of the presence of the Khazars in this region at an early date. 
Al-Jahiz similarly refers to the legend of the sons of Abraham and Keturah settling in 
Khurasan but does not mention the Khazars. Al-Di-Mashqi says that according to one 
tradition the Turks were the children of Abraham by Keturah, whose father belonged to 
the original Arab stock. Descendants of other sons of Abraham, namely the Soghdians 
and the Kirgiz, were also said to live beyond the Oxus..." (The History of The Jewish 
Khazars, by D.M. Dunlop, pp. 4-15. This book is especially important because the Jews 
make reference to it in all of their Jewish Encyclopedias, and uphold him as an 
authority on Jewish History)

But to go back, we read in Genesis 11:1-2, "The whole earth was of one 
language, and of one speech. And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east." 
"As they journeyed" is indefinite, i.e., as some journeyed, by no means as "all" 
journeyed. This was merely the first migration of a section of the human race from its 
eastern cradle and "they found a plain in the land of Shinar." (Genesis 11:2)

This was entirely a Hamitic migration for Genesis 10 says Nimrod (grandson of 
Ham) began to be a mighty one in the earth, and the beginning of his kingdom was 
"Babel" and Erech and Accad and Calneh in the land of Shinar. From thence "the Lord 
scattered them abroad upon the face of all the earth" (Genesis 11:9); that is, all 
engaged in the building of the tower were scattered over the whole world. this may 
quite well have been the case, and yet not all mankind have been present at Babel. 
Even the whole Hamite family need not have been engaged n the work.

It seems possible certainly that some of the descendants of Canaan had already 
gone "abroad," for after giving the genealogies of the "ites" Genesis 10:18 says, 
"afterward were the families of the Canaanites spread abroad."

The "Sinite" tribe of the widespread family of Canaan is, undoubtedly, to be 
looked for in China, "the land of Sinim," mentioned in Isaiah 49:12. The people whom 
the English call Chinese call themselves the "Tsin" and by the Romans were called 
"Sinae." The Hivite tribe, the "Hui," as it is in the Hebrew may be traced in "Hue," 
the capital of Annam, in Cochin China.

No three letters are more used in Chinese names than s, i and n; "sin." 
"Ahsin" is so common that it has become a synonym for Chinamen. The "land of Sinim" is 
an accurate title, "im" being the plural. The Encyclopedia Britannica states that 
ancient China was known by several names, according to location. The southern part, 
reached by sea route, was always some form of Sin, Chin, Sinoe or China. The northern 
part reached by land route through Asia was first Seres, and in the Middle Ages was 
known to Europe as Cathay.








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