Re: [CTRL] A Yugoslav who made a difference
-Caveat Lector- >Had Edision had his way, we would have been on the DC >system with step-up generators every 5-6 miles, throughout >the country. Thank God for the vision of George Westinghouse, >who fully supported Tesla and his 60 cycle AC power generation. and: >Edison and Tesla had a falling out; Edison was a humanitarian.Tesla >and Westinghouse hand in hand, produced the first Electric >Chair...this resulted in Edison calling in the Westinghouse >Chair no, Edison invented the electric chair (which uses alternating current) as a method of execution to demonstrate that AC was "far more dangerous" than DC. Y'see, because Tesla had the patents for the induction motors and generators you need to make cheap AC, Edison couldn't get his snout in the trough that Westinghouse (Tesla's employer) was gobbling from. Because AC is cheaper to produce and distribute, it was cheaper to the customer and therefore more commercially successful. So Edison tried to get it banned on safety grounds (broadly equivalent, in logical terms, to getting north-bound roads banned as inherently less safe than south-bound roads)... Andrew __ The information in this email is confidential and may also be legally privileged. It is intended for the addressee only. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. It is not to be relied upon by any person other than the addressee except with our prior written approval. If no such approval is given, we will not accept any liability (in negligence or otherwise) arising from any third party acting, or refraining from acting, on such information. Unauthorised recipients are required to maintain confidentiality. If you have received this email in error please notify us immediately, destroy any copies and delete it from your computer system. Copyright in this email and any document created by us will be and remain vested in us and will not be transferred to you. We assert the right to be identified as the author of and to object to any misuses of the contents of this email or such documents. A list of the partners of Hammond Suddards and details about the firm can be inspected at www.hammondsuddards.co.uk __ DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Nazi Leader Biographies - Includes Hitler, Goebbels, Himmler, Rvhm, Gvring, Speer, and more...
-Caveat Lector- >Will someone that is a member please send me Hitler's Bio. >I am not paying to get on a web site. >Thank You >Laura I recommend Bullock's biography of Hitler, and Deutsch's of Stalin. Both are excellently referenced, and standard works. They *should* both still be in print. Andrew __ The information in this email is confidential and may also be legally privileged. It is intended for the addressee only. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. It is not to be relied upon by any person other than the addressee except with our prior written approval. If no such approval is given, we will not accept any liability (in negligence or otherwise) arising from any third party acting, or refraining from acting, on such information. Unauthorised recipients are required to maintain confidentiality. If you have received this email in error please notify us immediately, destroy any copies and delete it from your computer system. Copyright in this email and any document created by us will be and remain vested in us and will not be transferred to you. We assert the right to be identified as the author of and to object to any misuses of the contents of this email or such documents. A list of the partners of Hammond Suddards and details about the firm can be inspected at www.hammondsuddards.co.uk __ DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] American People Ruled Unfit To Govern
-Caveat Lector- >Turns out this was a satire. Oh well, live and learn... I gobbled up the >bait on this one - gulp! *blush* Other classic headlines from the Onion: - Texans Elect Gun - Ugly Girl Dies, Thousands Do Not Mourn Not-So-Tragic Death - 5-Year Study Concludes: 5 Years a Long-Ass Time - Study Links Second-Hand Smoke, Second Hand Coolness - Reagan Alzheimers Increasingly "Hilarious" Say Doctors - Cop Slays Partner, Vows to Hunt Self Down - Clinton: "Fuck This President Shit" - ACLU Defends Neo-Nazis Right To Burn Down ACLU Office >Don't blush Hillary. It is a sad commentary of the state of our country >when we believe this article to be true. That in and of itself is very >telling. I've seen "LITO" (for Life Imitates The Onion) to describe these events. They're commoner than you might think, all over the world. It's generally worth checking really incredible stories just to see whether they were in the Onion first... some of them are shockingly plausible. Andrew __ The information in this email is confidential and may also be legally privileged. It is intended for the addressee only. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. It is not to be relied upon by any person other than the addressee except with our prior written approval. If no such approval is given, we will not accept any liability (in negligence or otherwise) arising from any third party acting, or refraining from acting, on such information. Unauthorised recipients are required to maintain confidentiality. If you have received this email in error please notify us immediately, destroy any copies and delete it from your computer system. Copyright in this email and any document created by us will be and remain vested in us and will not be transferred to you. We assert the right to be identified as the author of and to object to any misuses of the contents of this email or such documents. A list of the partners of Hammond Suddards and details about the firm can be inspected at www.hammondsuddards.co.uk __ DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] "The First Casualty"
-Caveat Lector- >Measuring the effectiveness of an army by how many casualties it had is >not very accurate. More importantly is the strength of that army, its >potential, how many casualties it inflicts, and how much territory it >takes. Before the US came into the war there was a basic stalemate. True as far as it goes, but the economics of the situation were telling on Germany. Britain and France were still functioning economically, but the German High Command had tried to run the war on the basis of a command economy, with price controls and state-regulated production. Like every other such system, it wrecked the economy. Germany was running out of the necessary wealth to maintain its army in the field; the army itself was still a fully-functioning fighting force, but would fairly soon have been unable to afford ammunition. (Britain, by comparison, imposed exactly one formal control on its economy: it regulated pub opening hours to keep the munitions workers sober while they assembled shells. Those regulations were not relaxed until 1992, and show no sign of being removed altogether before the end of the millennium. I digress.) The casualty comparison was there not as a measure of effectiveness, but rather to point out one of the flaws in the argument presented, which was that the US presence in WWI was decisive and necessary. It was, rather, desirable and served to hasten the end of the war, forcing an early capitulation. > With the surrender of the Russians the balance would have shifted towards the >Germans. The Eastern front was large and took a considerable number of >German combatants out of the western front. Again, the numbers of combatants were not a problem. It was logistics and the constraints of a badly-managed war economy that was defeating the German army. > Even with the addition of >the US fighting forces, Germany had not been invaded when it >surrendered. German forces had, however, been in continuous retreat for three months, a fact which rather gives the lie to the 'stab in the back' proponents. >However, it had become obvious to the German leadership >that with the men and supplies now coming (and soon to come) from the >US, there was no way the war could have been won. That was the function of the US - they hastened the inevitable. The presence of the US gave the German High Command a face-saving excuse for capitulation. >Previous to the US >entry, it was still possible for the German leadership to believe that a >favorable negotiated settlement was still possible with an exhausted enemy. It still wouldn't have been true. Even without the US presence, Germany was playing poker against opponents with deeper pockets - she couldn't make that last raise that would have decided the hand. (Soviet Russia did the same thing in the Cold War). Germany still faced Britain and France, both of whom had access to the resources and markets of their overseas possessions and, domestically, functioning free-market economies. Germany, meanwhile, had been bankrupted by four years of command economy, was blockaded along all of her coastline, and had no navy with which to break the blockade. Without the US, WWI would have ended in late 1919, early 1920 with British and French troops on German soil. What difference that would have made to history, I leave for you all to speculate (some suggest that it would have made Hitler's successes impossible, others that the Soviet revolution would have spread to Germany). Andrew __ The information in this email is confidential and may also be legally privileged. It is intended for the addressee only. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. It is not to be relied upon by any person other than the addressee except with our prior written approval. If no such approval is given, we will not accept any liability (in negligence or otherwise) arising from any third party acting, or refraining from acting, on such information. Unauthorised recipients are required to maintain confidentiality. If you have received this email in error please notify us immediately, destroy any copies and delete it from your computer system. Copyright in this email and any document created by us will be and remain vested in us and will not be transferred to you. We assert the right to be identified as the author of and to object to any misuses of the contents of this email or such documents. A list of the partners of Hammond Suddards and details about the firm can be inspected at www.hammondsuddards.co.uk __ DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politicall
Re: [CTRL] Info on 'Spear of Destiny'
-Caveat Lector- >And why ol' Scratch didn't do Hitler any good in getting into art school, >nor helped him out in WWI? > >Seems ol' Splitfoot took his time in getting around to helping his >'disciple' out... ;-) And if satanic assistance gets you into a three-front war with the three most industrialised nations on the planet, you can keep it. Surely His Infernal Majesty could have found a moment to whisper in Adolf's ear : "Beware of Strategic Overcommitment"... Andrew __ The information in this email is confidential and may also be legally privileged. It is intended for the addressee only. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. It is not to be relied upon by any person other than the addressee except with our prior written approval. If no such approval is given, we will not accept any liability (in negligence or otherwise) arising from any third party acting, or refraining from acting, on such information. Unauthorised recipients are required to maintain confidentiality. If you have received this email in error please notify us immediately, destroy any copies and delete it from your computer system. Copyright in this email and any document created by us will be and remain vested in us and will not be transferred to you. We assert the right to be identified as the author of and to object to any misuses of the contents of this email or such documents. A list of the partners of Hammond Suddards and details about the firm can be inspected at www.hammondsuddards.co.uk __ DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] Cold War Is Back, With Nuclear Threat]
-Caveat Lector- >Well, you would be half right. Sort of. His family was Serbian, but had >lived in the Croatian area for several generations. His father was an >Orthodox priest. I am not sure, but I think they lived in the Kryiena >(sp?) region mentioned as having recently gone through ethnic cleansing. Tesla was born in Split, in what is now Croatia (the borders back then were much fuzzier, since the whole place was part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, this being before the Balkan Wars, the ones from 1903-1913). I seem to recall his mother was a Serb. He went to university in Prague, but didn't stay to complete his degree (ISTR all he missed out on was the final exam, and by then he had basic patents for several devices which were far better credentials than a bachelor's degree would ever have been, so off he went to the US, eventually becoming a naturalised citizen in 1899. Andrew __ The information in this email is confidential and may also be legally privileged. It is intended for the addressee only. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. It is not to be relied upon by any person other than the addressee except with our prior written approval. If no such approval is given, we will not accept any liability (in negligence or otherwise) arising from any third party acting, or refraining from acting, on such information. Unauthorised recipients are required to maintain confidentiality. If you have received this email in error please notify us immediately, destroy any copies and delete it from your computer system. Copyright in this email and any document created by us will be and remain vested in us and will not be transferred to you. We assert the right to be identified as the author of and to object to any misuses of the contents of this email or such documents. A list of the partners of Hammond Suddards and details about the firm can be inspected at www.hammondsuddards.co.uk __ DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] "The First Casualty"
-Caveat Lector- >The first World War was the first time there was >highly organized state propaganda. Inaccurate. Kitchener organised the first serious news control in the Sudan and the Boer Wars, and there had been news management as far back as the Crimea. >The British had >a Ministry of Information, and they really needed >it because they had to get the U.S. into the war >or else they were in bad trouble. In the second world war, certainly. In the first lot, by the time the US came in, we'd confined the German fleet to its home ports (battle of Jutland), held the germans to their lines for the best part of three years, and had them on the cusp of the three months of continuous German retreat that brought about the 1918 armistice. Total US involvement in World War I was somewhere less than 100,000 (ie., about a week's casualties for the British and French during an offensive). All the US forces in WWI did was balance up the Russian capitulation. Andrew __ The information in this email is confidential and may also be legally privileged. It is intended for the addressee only. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. It is not to be relied upon by any person other than the addressee except with our prior written approval. If no such approval is given, we will not accept any liability (in negligence or otherwise) arising from any third party acting, or refraining from acting, on such information. Unauthorised recipients are required to maintain confidentiality. If you have received this email in error please notify us immediately, destroy any copies and delete it from your computer system. Copyright in this email and any document created by us will be and remain vested in us and will not be transferred to you. We assert the right to be identified as the author of and to object to any misuses of the contents of this email or such documents. A list of the partners of Hammond Suddards and details about the firm can be inspected at www.hammondsuddards.co.uk __ DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Info on 'Spear of Destiny'
-Caveat Lector- Of Hitler: >Wagner was his favorite composer, and he not only attended performance of >Wagner, but would listen to him on records when relaxing... There's also the apocryphal tale of Hitler whistling or humming some passage from Wagner, and a staff officer remarking that he'd got a note wrong. Hitler, apparently, insisted that Wager had *written* the passage incorrectly. Andrew __ The information in this email is confidential and may also be legally privileged. It is intended for the addressee only. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. It is not to be relied upon by any person other than the addressee except with our prior written approval. If no such approval is given, we will not accept any liability (in negligence or otherwise) arising from any third party acting, or refraining from acting, on such information. Unauthorised recipients are required to maintain confidentiality. If you have received this email in error please notify us immediately, destroy any copies and delete it from your computer system. Copyright in this email and any document created by us will be and remain vested in us and will not be transferred to you. We assert the right to be identified as the author of and to object to any misuses of the contents of this email or such documents. A list of the partners of Hammond Suddards and details about the firm can be inspected at www.hammondsuddards.co.uk __ DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Turkey's Kurdish Time Bomb
-Caveat Lector- > The Kurds in pivotally-important-to-NATO Turkey are standing in line >hoping to become the next ethnic minority entitled to NATO firepower -- but >NATO is foursquare behind the fascist military dictatorship that presently >governs Turkey, so the persecution of 12 MILLION people --treated worse by >Turks than the Kosovars by the Serbs-- is not so urgent a "holocaust" as a >few hundred thousand Albanians across the Straits ... I'm with you on the main point of your slug for this forwarded article, but the Turkish government is actually a democratically-elected centre-right coalition. Which, I should say, makes it rather worse, because one expects democracies to know better than to indulge in the kind of disgusting behaviour we see from the Turks (not that the PKK are that much better, but it does take two to tango). Andrew __ The information in this email is confidential and may also be legally privileged. It is intended for the addressee only. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. It is not to be relied upon by any person other than the addressee except with our prior written approval. If no such approval is given, we will not accept any liability (in negligence or otherwise) arising from any third party acting, or refraining from acting, on such information. Unauthorised recipients are required to maintain confidentiality. If you have received this email in error please notify us immediately, destroy any copies and delete it from your computer system. Copyright in this email and any document created by us will be and remain vested in us and will not be transferred to you. We assert the right to be identified as the author of and to object to any misuses of the contents of this email or such documents. A list of the partners of Hammond Suddards and details about the firm can be inspected at www.hammondsuddards.co.uk __ DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
