Re: [CTRL] Brain Wave Paradigms
-Caveat Lector- I suppose that the Ayahuasca, Ibogaine, Psilocybin and such substances may have been helping transport the shaman's consciousness too The drum beat may have had a little less to do about it. :-) DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] nurev learning about birth control pills
-Caveat Lector- And breaking the sound barrier is impossible too.. as are commercial airplanes and bumblebees. As to the gay population.. as far as I can tell they've always been there.. they are just demanding more human respect than they used to. -Original Message- From: Jim Condit Jr. [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 31, 1998 5:27 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: [CTRL] nurev learning about birth control pills -Caveat Lector- Birth prevention pills so violate the cycles of a woman's body that science will never be able to fix the side physical side effects. Also, someone suggested, and it should be investigated based on the incredible phenomenon in our day of militant homosexuals bursting out all over, that the birth prevention pills so upset the hormones of the women taking them that it also upset the hormones of the babies they later birthed, many of which babies are today gender confused. Jim Condit Jr. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] nurev learning about birth control pills
-Caveat Lector- Probably that.. and that what woman would trust a man to take it regularly (heck, many of us still have trouble with that leaving the seat down thing). [for any of you who didn't catch that.. that was humor] I think that birth control for men hits many men in an ego spot.. that whole manly virility thing. Somehow our culture (as shown by a number of television shows at the very least) portrays infertile (deliberate or otherwise) men as 'less than a man'. Also SOME-BUT-NOT-ALL men just do not want self-control. I'd be really happy to have some more of it. -Original Message- From: L. Shipton [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 31, 1998 12:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: [CTRL] nurev learning about birth control pills -Caveat Lector- The French developed a birth control pill --""For Men""-- Haven't heard about it over here. Wonder Why? I guess men just do not have or want self-control. Or maybe they want it to be "ALL" the women's responsibility... Normal of them I suppose. Laura aka The Pied Piper DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] nurev learning about birth control pills
-Caveat Lector- If they choose that I say it's their right.. I would hope that it could be medically reversed though in case they change their minds. -Original Message- From: KA [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 1998 8:20 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: [CTRL] nurev learning about birth control pills -Caveat Lector- On Wed, 30 Dec 1998, Jim Kinney wrote: Huh? Most of the women I know who are on the pill have chosen to be on it, not because their 'man' has demanded it.. They see it as a personal choice that allows them to decide what happens to their bodies. I wonder what he has to say about those women who voluntarily choose to have their tubes tied as a method of permanent birthcontrol... June === Ring out the old, ring in the new, Ring happy bells, across the snow; The year is going, let him go; Ring out the false, ring in the true. -- Tennyson: In Memoriam === *--- * revcoal AT connix DOT com *--- * It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. *=== =* DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] nurev learning about birth control pills
-Caveat Lector- Huh? Most of the women I know who are on the pill have chosen to be on it, not because their 'man' has demanded it.. They see it as a personal choice that allows them to decide what happens to their bodies. I admit that there are risks involved n the pill.. the first generation of the pill used mega-doses of hormones that are not especially safe and the third generation pills have not yet been adequately tested, but all in all I think that it is a woman's choice, with full knowledge of the dangers.. and none of the men I know have ever 'demanded' it from anyone.. Maybe you should find a new group of people. -Original Message- From: Jim Condit Jr. [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 1998 1:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: [CTRL] nurev learning about birth control pills [snip] every woman who's man demands she use birth control has the realization at some level that she is being used a sex vessel rather than treated as a person. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] CHRISTMAS WISHES
-Caveat Lector- I've also seen shows pointing it out as a hoax.. It may or may not be true, but there is still a 'leap of faith' on whether or not you want to believe in it. -Original Message- From: E Mael [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 1998 2:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: [CTRL] CHRISTMAS WISHES -Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: It boils down to the fact that ANY religion is a 'leap of faith'...and one wastes one's time by trying to argue 'objective scientific facts' on such a subject... June you have not seen the film about the ark on mount ararat. it is there. any more leaps of faith, june? it was archeological smilin' ever so sweetly chris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] WAGGING WAR
-Caveat Lector- The School of the America's.. no.. I forgot.. they took torture and overthrowing governments out of the curriculum. I think that your last few posts have been good Jerry.. thanks. -Original Message- From: Gerald Harp [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 28, 1998 3:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: [CTRL] WAGGING WAR Makes one wonder where our leaders get what appears to be training that is alien to US values. Jerry DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] We are at war: Ramadan
-Caveat Lector- I think a lot of it had to do with trying to attack and get it over with to avoid the Islamic Holy month of Ramadan which begins Sunday. We would have no allies in the Middle East (except Israel) if we attacked during Ramadan, and I don't think that we want to piss off Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Egypt and the rest that much. -Original Message- From: Rock4life [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 1998 7:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: [CTRL] We are at war -Caveat Lector- Yep, just in time to delay the vote on impeachment. But of course they say that was not intended for that purpose, but look at all the other so called stories they have come up with...he'll try to stay in office at all costs no matter what has to be done...Rock Hilary Thomas wrote: -Caveat Lector- For those of you who aren't listening to the news, we are at war again. Bombing of Iraq began about 2 hours ago. I've been watching for the past 2 hours. Hilary Together We Create Heaven on Earth [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Come join exploration - a discussion list dedicated to keeping up-to-date on new technologies, advancements in medicine, environmental concerns, 'conspiracy theories' and, of course, UFO stuff. Discussion is encouraged. Bashing and soapboxing will get you bounced off the list. To subscribe to exploration go to: http:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Moderator: Hilary A. Thomas DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Decommissioned Government Base
-Caveat Lector- http://www.postfun.com/pfp/features/98/dec/atomic.html http://www.postfun.com/pfp/features/98/dec/atomic.html Just thought people might enjoy this description of one of the government's little hide-aways. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Heads Up: Bill Clinton Is Finished
-Caveat Lector- (Parts of this are in reference to the message being responded to in the message quoted) Exactly which form of communism are you referring to? The failed authoritarian right-wing Russian and Chinese models or the idealistic left-wing view (I hate this whole Aristolean dualistic thing, but it seems to be the model used here) that has never been seen in any world government to the best of my knowledge? They are definitely not the same thing. I think that a strong argument can be made that the Chinese version of communism is actually a very conservative and extreme right-wing (if we have to label these things so) organization. Also, to the best of my knowledge the presidential impeachment proceedings have nothing to do with Mena. I'm not arguing that isn't guilty in the whole Mena fiasco, I feel that he may be, but the impeachment proceedings just don't have anything to do with it (yet at least). He cannot be impeached due to Mena if no one ever brings it up in the proceedings. -Original Message- From: Kenn Thomas [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 14, 1998 10:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: [CTRL] "Heads Up": Bill Clinton Is Finished -Caveat Lector- Why is it that every time something is posted about Commie Lover Clinton all we hear about is Bush and Reagan. Which part of the Mena operation do you not understand? Seems to be a conspiracy to keep any topic off Clinton and some people on this list said they were "conservative." Clinton is as far to the left as anyone can get without being called "Comrade." "IF" the media is owned by the Republicans why does it support Clinton all the time? The media is controlled by the same corporate interests that control the Republicans and the Democrats. That political reality cares little about these "left" and "conservative" word games. Reagan and Bush have nothing to do with a discussion about Clinton, You can only say this by ignoring the facts. they were not subject to impeachment no matter what you say...Clinton is. The occupant of the White House is fully aware of the non-electoral, extra-legal processes that put him there. I don't cheer Clinton's weaseling out of impeachment (and he will; no way to get 2/3s in the Senate), and I almost admire your naivete in insisting that it was different with Reagan/Bush. But at the half-century mark, that naivete can only be willful. kt DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Conspiracy Theories
-Caveat Lector- I have not read the Murray work, thank you for the reference. Actually, I think it is not so much the sacrificed king motif that is prevalent throughout myth and occult philosophy though, but that of the resurrected king. We have stories of Arthur waiting until he is needed again, Barbarossa (sic) is the same. Resurrection cults include the Osiris cult, Attis, Dionysis, Mithras and Christ (and that's just a sampling). It isn't the fact that the king dies that is important, it is the fact that the king is born again. In this way I think that Elvis is probably much closer to the Divine King in most traditions that I've seen (like I said, I haven't read the Murray book) than Kennedy is. (Elvis is still thought by many to be alive and apparently hanging out at Dunkin Donuts). -Original Message- From: William Hugh Tunstall [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 10, 1998 11:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: [CTRL] Conspiracy Theories -Caveat Lector- Mr. Kinney, You will find information on "the killing of the divine king" in Margaret Alice Murray's THE DIVINE KING IN ENGLAND London: Faber and Faber, 1954. You will read that the sacrificial slaughter of a king is an integral part of the occult lore of Europe and, interestingly, in the Native American civilizations of mesoamerica... The sacrificial king motif goes back to Egypt to the Osiris-Isis cult.. Osiris's body is dismembered in order to life to others...etc. The myth is embedded in the teachings of a number of secret societies.. Best wishes, Wm On Thu, 10 Dec 1998, Jim Kinney wrote: -Caveat Lector- Mr. Caulfield (or do you go by 'Catcher?), Thanks for the Kennedy material. It was interesting Screwy But interesting. Ok, how many of you out there really think that Kennedy was killed as an occult conspiracy? Show of hands. How many of you out there think that there are more holes in that theory than in the whole 'I tried it and I didn't like it. I never inhaled' story? How many think that the CIA and Mafia working together, implausible though it might seem, has a much, much higher probabilty of being right? (I'm not saying that that's what happened, just that it seems much more probable given the evidence) Who's 'occult ritual' is the 'killing of the divine king'? Please try to give me a reference that ISN'T using it in reference to Kennedy. I want an alchemical or occult text. I believe it may exist, but I want to see it quoted. Please also provide the name of the Project Pegasus 'deep cover agent' and proof he once lived or at the very least where I can download the sound files from the tapes. Otherwise all of that info is completely unverifiable. Like I said.. very interesting, but I need more independent verification, not the mutual pat-on-the-back aren't-we-so-clever conspiracy journals that all use each other as references. Verifiable government documents would be nice. Please understand that I am not trying to say that these things don't exist, just that if you want to get to the heart of it you need to work on more than 'so-and-so said they talked to someone who claimed they knew.' Thanks though.. some of the info was very valid I think. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sord
Re: [CTRL] Conspiracy Theories
-Caveat Lector- I agree, but let's make sure we label it then as speculation rather than fact. Phrases like 'I think', 'it seems' and 'I believe' are handy ways of pointing out where we jump off of facts and into speculation. I do agree though.. lets show every tidbit we find, but lets label them properly to make sure we minimize the confusion. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 11, 1998 12:18 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: [CTRL] Conspiracy Theories You certainly have a point, but the disemination of knowledge is the least of what can be done. When a tidbit falls down to us we should work on it. Sometimes we can't always KNOW the facts, and simply must speculate. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Wonderful Wizard of Oz- Willy Wonka
-Caveat Lector- Interesting.. now someone needs to do a conspiracy view of "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory" Five children... Augustus: dresses in brown, falls into thick brown muck (earth) Violet: dresses in blue, fills with liquid (water) Veruca: dresses in red, is sent to the furnaces (fire) Mike: dresses in white, is broken into particles and shot into the air (air) Charlie: Floats upwards gently.. (spirit) All of the adults (except Willy Wonka and 'Slugworth') come in matched pairs (George and Georgina, Joe and Josephine, Henry and Henrietta, etc...). In alchemy a frequently used symbol of an alchemical union is a hermaphrodite.. a being with both male and female attributes. Secret knowledge (the 'everlasting' Gobstopper, etc..) abounds, as well as trials used to weed out the weak and undeserving of this knowledge. The odd phrase by the tinker, 'No one goes in and nobody ever comes out' (or something like that). Is this actually some secret message about something? I don't know, I just picked this stuff up the other night while watching it. Maybe Marilyn Manson caught on and that's why the video for "Dope Hat" was made. Maybe not. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Conspiracy Theories
-Caveat Lector- Thanks RoadsEnd for the info. I still think that there is a fairly significant amount of hooey in some of it, but I have to admit that much of it is fairly well documented. I'm not sure I buy a 'Luciferian' angle to it though. I'm also not sure that 'getting in early, sizing it up and spending lots of money' qualifies as a 'conspiracy' per se. Seems like good business sense. Look at Microsoft. One question for you is this.. Does the fact that an organization was once a manipulative organizational 'conspiracy' (such as the Masons seem to have been, as well as Skull and Bones) mean that they will always be a secret 'conspiracy' organization? Organizations, being made up of people, tend to evolve over time, and I feel that it is quite possible that over generations that information, power and control can be lost. How do you know that this has not happened? How do you know that groups like the Illuminati or the Priory of Sion or the Templars have a continuous history? Is it possible that the names have remained the same but everything else has changed? That is almost certainly what has happened with the Rosicrucians (unless the AMORC is one heck of a lot sneakier than they look). Why not the Masons? How can people know that the goals of the 'conspiracies' have remained constant? If they haven't, then we are back to my original premise.. that we have small groups of people working, perhaps within an established system, in their own 'enlightened' self interest. The system (such as the 'good ol' boys club) may remain the same, but its goals and players change. This does not seem like the kind of conspiracy we are looking for, unless we are willing to label the democratic and republican parties conspiracies. The system may be wrong, putting too much power into people's hands, but that does not make it a conspiracy, just a flawed system. Once again, thanks for the info. I appreciate your patience and the understanding tone of your reply. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Conspiracy Theories
-Caveat Lector- Maybe the PoS doesn't exist now except as a red herring.. (maybe). Maybe the Kennedy assassination hasn't been revealed because the one's who could do the revealing are the ones who did it. I'm not saying that this isn't possible, just that we need to work towards verifiability. Always ask yourself.. WWMD (What would Mulder do). There needs to be verifiability before any of this means anything. To think you know something is not sufficient in my eyes. I feel we need something to point at that is valid. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 10, 1998 12:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: [CTRL] Conspiracy Theories -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/10/98 12:00:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Organizations, being made up of people, tend to evolve over time, and I feel that it is quite possible that over generations that information, power and control can be lost. How do you know that this has not happened? If I may jump in here. There is no way to "know" such things. I would, however, point to the builder's of the Egyptian Pyramids. It is my belief that they excercised a great deal of control in their day and that they kept their technology absolutely secret, even 'til today. Secrecy is easy to maintain when the members of the group are recruited for having the very same drives and motivating forces in their lives, thus it is in thier OWN best interests to keep it a secret. Of course in mentioning the PoS I would ask you, if this is true, why don't we know something SOLID about this group, who some of the members are, etc. . . it would seem that if what you say is true then some of it would have come out (mind you Holy Blood Holy Grail has some info. on this BUT it is highly suspect by many). The Kennedy assassination is a much better example. Even you must admit that there were many people involved in that one and we the people still have no PROOF of anything. We know it was a conspiracy but that is about all, why didn't this one fall apart? The CIA still has stuff classified in it's files from 50 years ago, so secrecy can and is routinely kept for long periods of time. The secrecy itself is part of the problem, it begets itself and leads to more secrecy which Usually leads to nefarious activity. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Conspiracy Theories
-Caveat Lector- Linda Minor said: I research history wherever I go--local "good ol' boy" stuff. In Texas we call it "bidness." Look around you, Jim. This is what the real conspiracy is all about--making money for the wife and kiddies and in the process maybe becoming a shining member of the community. My point exactly.. but I hardly consider this a 'conspiracy' in the same sense that the Kennedy assassination seems to be. I agree, we are a 'conspiracy' when you look at the way in which all of us seem to be more comfortable dealing with people we know.. dealing with people like us. This though is usually an 'unconscious' conspiracy, not a 'conscious' one that seems to be the topic of so much conversation around here. This does not mean that there is no 'dirty work' out there. I think that there are 'conspiracies' involved in our daily lives. Banks which refuse loans to people trying to move into the 'wrong' neighborhood for instance, but I think that there are several steps missing between the daily prejudices and the world-controlling versions. I'm really curious as to your sources about the 'linking up' of the lodges. I know that there are several different Masonic orders, and I will admit that I think that they do hold some political clout, but in what way do you feel that they are a unified group? Please give me some references. Thank you for your input. I find this all very interesting. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
