[CTRL] Notice from Joshua Report

1999-01-12 Thread MShrum



IMPORTANT NOTICE
from
JOSHUA


MICHAEL [My husband's name is appropriate: Michael is the Chief Archangel of
God, who "contends with the devil"] AND I would like to take a moment to thank all the
wonderful WRITERS AND RESEARCHERS cited in these reports. Because of their
combined efforts, we are able to learn the UNVARNISHED TRUTH of what is going on in
our country. [A special thanks goes to the ORIGINAL SOURCES, i.e., Bill and Hillary
Clinton, etc., who just can't help BOASTING about their plans for our overthrow: From
YOUR WORDS shall we know thee!]

 We would also like to personally thank EACH OF YOU, our readers, who have
graciously taken the time to write us with words of encouragement. Daily, we are
amazed and grateful for the wonderful responses our reports receive! As most of you
know, it takes unceasing patience and vigilence to do the research involved in learning
the truth - the INSIDERS are far too good at lies and cover-ups, DELIBERATELY KEEPING
ALL OF US IN A CONSTANT STATE OF CONFUSION. For the most part, JOSHUA works
alone. We receive no monetary backing or staff assistance. But, we manage to survive,
with the assistance of a small monthly pension, each other, and the blessings and
guidance of OUR FATHER IN HEAVEN. So much is at stake here, though, that Michael
and I have chosen to dedicate our last hours on this earth to informing everyone we can
AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE of what is about to happen.

From time to time, we become discouraged in the face of overwhelming
opposition. However, We become RE-ENERGIZED with every request to be placed on our
list, for back issues, or just to say "Thank you!" A VERY SPECIAL THANK YOU goes to
each of you who are taking the time to RE-POST these reports and MAKE COPIES to pass
out to friends who aren't on the Net. Let's face it: They certainly aren't going to 
learn the
truth on the 11 o'clock news! Our list is growing rapidly. Thanks to your help, 
readers of
THE JOSHUA REPORT now include members of the military, the education community
and the Christian network - and they come from as far away as the Eastern bloc of the
old Soviet Union. THANK YOU ALL!

As MATT DRUDGE says, this is our time, Friends. The Internet is no respector of
persons: It recognizes neither class, race, education, gender, or religious 
affiliation. Like
Michael, many of you are veterans and have bravely faced the enemy on foreign
battlefields. WE ARE AT WAR AGAIN, but this time the TARGET is not thousands of miles
away. It is right here: AMERICA, OUR BELOVED HOMELAND! And it is not the military
who are under attack. It is WE THE PEOPLE - BY THE MILITARY AND LAW
ENFORCEMENT, BOTH DOMESTIC AND FOREIGN. Needless to say, their COMMANDERS-
IN-CHIEF are BILL AND HILLARY CLINTON!

We cannot do this alone though. There is no time left for egotism: we are 
talking
MONTHS, if we are lucky! This is not a joke, and this is not an exercise. THIS IS THE
REAL THING! Our military strength comes from a HUGE NETWORK OF PATRIOTS
SHARING INFORMATION. TOGETHER WE CAN DO THIS! Remember, THIS IS OUR
COUNTRY AND OUR FUTURE WE ARE DEFENDING. Anybody who CAN help and is too
lazy or selfish to do so, by default is working for the enemy! Because, we ALL have
something important to contribute and EVERY SINGLE ONE of us is needed: THIS IS THE
LAST AND MOST IMPORTANT WAR WE WILL EVER FIGHT. IF WE LOSE IT MEANS DEATH
OR ENSLAVEMENT! ARE YOU PREPARED FOR THAT?

Oh, and by the way, MR. AND MRS. PRESIDENT: There is already an army of us
out here and we are GROWING STRONGER every day. In your mistaken conceit, you and
your fellow Marxists, Ted and Jane Turner laugh at the American people, calling them
"THE DUMBEST PEOPLE ON EARTH." I wouldn't advise you to become too smug, though:
When our country began, it took a mere 3% of the population to break the British
Empire's hold on us. There are far more of us this time around, and WE WILL NOT GIVE
UP OUR COUNTRY - OR OUR CONSTITUTION.   GOD BLESS AMERICA!

  LOVE  GODSPEED!
  JOSHUA
   [MICHAEL  His OUTLAWLADY]

P.S. Because of the growing amount of research involved, beginning with Issue #15, we
are limiting our reports to ONCE A WEEK: On FRIDAYS. See y'all then!


[CTRL] Joshua #13 pt3

1999-01-05 Thread MShrum





Vol I   THE JOSHUA REPORT   No. #13




"...We can't be so fixated on our desire to
Preserve the Rights of ORDINARY Americans..."
- President Bill Clinton
USA TODAY 3/11/93

PART III of 4
WILLIAM JEFFERSON CLINTON ...
ELECTED Official or CFR APPOINTEE?

[GAMES THEY NEVER TAUGHT
US IN SCHOOL!]

If PRESIDENT BILL CLINTON can't be bothered with upholding the CONSTITUTION,
and preserving OUR RIGHTS as "ORDINARY AMERICANS," just exactly who IS he working
for??? [You gotta admit this would certainly explain how he got in the position he's in
today!] CLINTON - (1) a working member of the MOB [international organized crime], and
(2) a 33rd-degree MASON - has sworn his allegiance to the (3) UNITED NATIONS. He sits 
on
the (4) COUNCIL OF 300, belongs to the (5) TRILATERAL COMMISSION, the (6)
BILDERBERGERS, and, of course, the (7) COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS [CFR]. The
important thing to remember about all of these organizations - besides the obvious 
point
that they are all incorporated BUSINESSES - is that EVERY ONE OF THESE HAVE TAKEN AN
OATH TO DESTROY AMERICA! If we examine these organizations one by one, maybe we
can figure out WHY - and [with Billy Boy's help] just how far they have progressed to 
that
deadline of 2000:

(1) "...[When Chicago-area CONGRESSMAN HENRY HYDE] was a State Legislator,
he corrupted other state and federal officials to instrumentally protect a GANGSTER-
OWNED gambling casino on Paradise Island in the Bahamas. The toll bridge linking the
place with Nassau was owned by then-PRESIDENT RICHARD M. NIXON, now by Nixon's
Estate. ...Like Nixon, HYDE has been part of NAVAL INTELLIGENCE assigned to the
CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY [retiring with the rank of Commander]...

"Hyde became part of the spy agency's worldwide covert funding and political
assassination apparatus, masquerading as the NUGAN HAND BANK...Upon the collapse of
NUGAN HAND BANK in 1980 and the supposed destruction of their records, their worldwide
espionage and dirty tricks funding, disguised as banking...was taken over by their
successor, HOUSEHOLD INTERNATIONAL and HOUSEHOLD BANK...now headquartered in a
Chicago suburb near a convenient suburb airport...HENRY HYDE has a large financial 
stake
in HOUSEHOLD...

"Upon the collapse of the Chicago suburban American Heritage Savings  Loan
Association, the Federal Home Loan Bank, acting as a midwife, arranged its take-over by
HOUSEHOLD. The cover-up included sending some of American Heritage's officials to
federal prison to shut them up. Keeping the criminal matter from getting into HENRY
HYDE's complicity in the affair was Assistant Federal Prosecutor Susan Bogart, now 
part of
a special Chicago team on Hyde"s CLINTON IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY. After being accused
in a published decision by the Federal Appeals Court in Chicago of Jury-tampering, 
which
favored some of the S  L defendants in the criminal case, Susan Bogart left federal
employment.

"To arrange the take-over of the S  L, the HOME LOAN BANK parked $58.4
MILLION with HOUSEHOLD to make good the pending claims of Chicago-area caulking
contractor, Joseph Andreuccetti, who contends the S  L helped swindle him of sums
close to that amount. In 1988, $50 MILLION of those parked funds were secretly 
transferred
from HOUSEHOLD to LITTLE ROCK, ARKANSAS, in an attempt to cover up the
embezzlement there of $47 MILLION from MADISON GUARANTY SAVINGS  LOAN, for
which BILL AND HILLARY CLINTON are subject to being prosecuted and sent to federal
prison. [This is what the WHITEWATER scandal was REALLY about!] (The $3 MILLION
difference was used by RAHM EMANUEL to start Clinton's first campaign for President.)
When a senior investigator of the S  L bail-out agency, RESOLUTION TRUST
CORPORATION, Jon Parnell Walker, discovered the details, he demanded a full inquiry by
his federal agency. His insistance was cut short when HE WAS MYSTERIOUSLY THROWN
TO HIS DEATH from a building in Arlington, Virginia.

"The secret transfer of the $50 MILLION was arranged by HYDE with the aid of 
John
E. Gierum, a lawyer in the same suburb of Chicago, PARK RIDGE, that HILLARY RODHAM
CLINTON's family is from. A close crony of the RODHAMS, Gierum grew up with that family
and went to law school with one of HILLARY's brothers. In January, 1994, Gierum
confessed...in the presence of Joseph Andreuccetti (who was once Gierum's law client),
that the CLINTON WHITE HOUSE is attempting to send Gierum to prison on a frame-
up...Later, when confronted in Court...with his confession, Gierum DID NOT DISPUTE the
same. [1]

"Chicago US District Judge George M. Marovich put the case out of Court 
claiming
he could not hear it because IT HAD TOO MANY DETAILS [!]...A simple explanation of why
HYDE arranged the $50 MILLION transfer is that HYDE is protecting two CIA OPERATIVES
with the agency since an early age, 

Re: [CTRL] FW: 'Holiday' greetings

1998-12-29 Thread MShrum

 -Caveat Lector-

Beautiful! I love you, Jim! The same to you!

Godspeed!
  The OUTLAWLADY

Jim Condit Jr. wrote:

  -Caveat Lector-

 -Original Message-
 From:   Kalivas [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent:   Sunday, December 27, 1998 8:54 AM
 To: (Recipient list suppressed)
 Subject:'Holiday' greetings

 Please accept with no obligation, implied or implicit,  our
 best wishes for an environmentally conscious,  socially
 responsible, low stress, non-addictive, gender neutral
 celebration of the winter solstice holiday, practiced within
 the most enjoyable traditions of the religious persuasion
 or secular practices of your choice, with respect for the
 religious/secular persuasions and/or traditions of others,
 or their choice not to practice religious or secular
 traditions at all . . .

 and...  a fiscally successful, personally fulfilling, and
 medically uncomplicated recognition of the onset of the
 generally accepted calendar year 1999, but not without due
 respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures whose
 contributions have helped make America great (not to imply
 that America is necessarily greater than any other country
 or is the only "AMERICA" in the western hemisphere), and
 without regard to the race, creed, color, age, physical
 ability, religious faith, or choice of computer platform of
 the wishee.

 (By accepting this greeting, you are accepting these terms:
 This greeting is subject to clarification or withdrawal. It
 implies no promise by the wisher to actually implement any
 of the wishes,  and is revocable at the sole discretion of
 the wisher.)

 This wish is warranted to perform as expected within the
 usual application of good tidings for a period of one year,
 or until the  issuance of a subsequent holiday greeting,
 whichever comes first, and warranty is limited to
 replacement of this wish or issuance of a new wish at the
 discretion of the wisher.)

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[CTRL] National War College and Who owns your state

1998-12-28 Thread MShrum

 -Caveat Lector-

Two very interesting sites, The NATIONAL WAR COLLEGE seems to rely on
what KISSENGER tells them.

http://www.ndu.edu/ndu/nwc/nwchp.html

Next one is seventeen chapters on ENGAGING POWER FOR PEACE which is
loaded with pictures and stats. A picture in one of the chapters shows
a map of the US and which foreign country owns each of our states.
Also check out all the links, such as "NDU" which is NATIONAL DEFENSE
UNIVERSITY.

http://www.ndu.edu/inss/sa98/sa98cont.html

Michael

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Re: [CTRL] June: CHRISTMAS WISHES

1998-12-26 Thread MShrum

 -Caveat Lector-

Very interesting discussion. It reminds me of the "investigator" who
discovered that the famous photo of John-John saluting as his father's
body - resting on the hose-drawn caisson - passed him. The
investigator discovered that John-John was actually saluting a
serviceman [I can't remember which branch]. My reaction then is the
same as it is today: TMI [TOO MUCH INFORMATION!]

Most people who are fairly well-read are fully aware of the pagan
history behind the various "holidays," however that doesn't mean we
need to turn into Scrooge at the mention of Jesus. I am also aware of
the root of the word "holiday," however y'all are missing my point:

Why do newscasters always refer to Ramadan and Hannakah as "Religious
observances," while Christian observances are always "holidays?" Isn't
that their bugaboo, "discrimination?"

Secondly, please don't blame Mike. He didn't write that note [Lord,
you would think it was an attack on the US Constitution or Old
Glory!]. He simply was included in sending everybody his SINCERE
wishes for a happy and blessed season.

Understand something: We come from the old school, when it was
considered GOOD to wish people well - and WE ARE NOT POLITICALLY
CORRECT. NOR DO WE WISH TO BE!

We are not attacking. Why are you?

P.S. I was including Hannakuh for the benefit of our Jewish friends -
and they generally celebrate throughout December - just as the
Christians and people of other faiths do. Mercy! Are we still in
America? Or is it now Amerika?


Hilary Thomas wrote:

  -Caveat Lector-

 A quick tour of churches in Britain will clarify any confusion on the
 subject.  Most churches are built on top of pagan "hot spots."

 Hilary

 -Original Message-
 From: Edward Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Saturday, December 26, 1998 10:48 AM
 Subject: [CTRL] June: CHRISTMAS WISHES

  -Caveat Lector-
 
 June:
 
 Excellent post! Very few people are aware of the pagan origins of modern
 Christian observances such as Christ-Mass. (Everyone should check out the
 origin of the use of Christmas trees!) Your words are, as usual,
 brilliantly enlightening in a non-threatening manner. Someone should take
 lessons from you :-)
 
 BTW, wasn't there a study some years ago pertaining to the calculation of
 Christ's birth around the Roman census--purportedly between January and
 April?
 
 Edward   
 On Fri, 25 Dec 1998, MShrum wrote:
 Remember, contrary to what the advertisers and the media would have
 you believe, this is not a "holiday." It is a religious observance
 [the term they always use for our Arab friends: Ramadan]. Christmas is
 to honor the birth of the Christ child.
 
 Well, to begin with, the term 'holiday' comes from the contraction of the
 word 'holy day', so your objection to the word is meaningless.
 
 Secondly, there is NOTHING about December 25th that has ANYTHING to do
 with the birth of Jesus the Christ, except that the Roman Catholic church
 decided to put a 'Christian' veneer on pre-existing pagan celebrations of
 the season...
 
 Evidence points to either a spring or an early autumnal birthdate for
 Jesus the Christ (currently, spring is favored in scholarly circles,
 based on a comet which would have been visible in the spring of 5 BCE...
 but other evidence in the past has been used to argue for an early autumn
 birthdate)...
 
 Either way, the beginning of winter could NOT have been the actual birth
 date of Jesus the Christ...it was a date that fell in the middle of the
 ancient Roman Saturnalia...it was also the date the followers of Mithras
 claimed was the birthdate of Mithras...and it also roughly corresponded
 with the Yule festivities of the pagan northern European tribes..
 
 So the Church, after centuries of trying to BAN Christians from
 participating in the various early winter festivals of their particular
 geographical area, adopted an "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" attitude,
 and 'allowed' the festivals to continue, as long as the participants put
 a 'Christian' interpretation to things...hence, holly was explained to
 represent Christ's crown of thorns, etc.
 
 But you would have been hard-pressed to find anything resembling our
 modern holiday...even more hard-pressed to find anything representing a
 RELIGIOUS OBSERVANCE, other than a possible midnight Mass (which gave the
 name to the holiday, e.g. "Christ's Mass")...most festivities more
 closely resembled modern-day Mardi Gras, with people dressing in costume,
 and a wild, licentious, lascivious time being enjoyed by all...
 
 EASTER is the main holiday of the Christian church, the observance which
 gives the religion it's whole meaning, and not Christmas...
 
 
 
 HAPPY HANNAKAH AND A VERY BLESSED CHRIS

[CTRL] CHRISTMAS WISHES

1998-12-25 Thread MShrum

 -Caveat Lector-

Dear Friend,

I want to wish you a very, VERY blessed Christmas and New Year! I
have stumbled on something very serious and important and I must take
a few days off to pursue it. I will be returning with my findings in
the next JOSHUA REPORT on Tuesday, January 5th, 1999.

Until then, Mike and I would like to extend to you our love and
prayers that you and yours will have a happy and safe season.
Remember, contrary to what the advertisers and the media would have
you believe, this is not a "holiday." It is a religious observance
[the term they always use for our Arab friends: Ramadan]. Christmas is
to honor the birth of the Christ child. So, til January 5th, have a:


HAPPY HANNAKAH AND A VERY BLESSED CHRISTMAS!



MIKE  The OUTLAWLADY

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[CTRL] Hillary smacks Bill

1998-12-24 Thread MShrum

http://www.drudgereport.com/


DRUDGE REPORT
THU DEC 24, 1998 16:08:55 UTC



REPORT: WHITE HOUSE FIGHT; SECRET SERVICE PULLS FURIOUS FIRST LADY OFF
PRESIDENT

Hillary Clinton has finally snapped! The NATIONAL ENQUIRER is set to report
in its January 5, 1999 edition: The First Lady has physically attacked the
President, hitting him so hard she left a visible mark on his face -- and
Secret Service agents had to separate them.

The DRUDGE REPORT trusts the account to be accurate and non-libelous
because the NATIONAL ENQUIRER and President Bill Clinton use the same law
firm, Williams  Connolly! In fact, Clinton's private lawyer, David
Kendall, has directly done work for the tabloid through the years.

"Keep that bitch away from me!" Bill Clinton told one Secret Service agent.


One inside source tells the ENQUIRER that the White House became a
battleground since the impeachment controversy moved into overdrive.

"The verbal fights between Bill and Hillary have been escalating and now
the President has been physically assaulted."

"Hillary just snapped. She lost it and smacked the President upside the
head. He was stunned. The hit was so hard it left a visible bruise, and he
put on makeup for several days to cover the red spot."

The DRUDGE REPORT has learned that the ENQUIRER is planning to run the
account in a Cover Page Screamer.

"Secret Service agents had to physically separate them to keep the apart.
Hillary went off to another room. At one point the President old an agent,
'Keep that bitch away from me. I don't want to do anything that'll get me
in more trouble."

The ENQUIRER reveals that just hours before the couple walked out of the
White House holding hands after the impeachment vote on December 19, there
was an explosion in the Presidential quarters -- the First Lady was doing
most of the screaming.

The tabloid also claims that Bill Clinton is back on the fast food train!

"The President is a mess. He's been gorging on fast foods again," an
insider tells the ENQUIRER in the special report.

Impacting on newsstands next monday.


Re: [CTRL] The Joshua Report

1998-12-23 Thread MShrum

 -Caveat Lector-

How so?

The OUTLAWLADY

Stopforth, Jamie wrote:

  -Caveat Lector-

 This report is farfetched.  The 7 mystery kings, 1 is fallen and 1 is left,
 is
 all in Daniel.

 Babylon
 Assyria
 Persia
 Greece
 Rome
 Revived Rome

 I'm leaving one out, but I don't know which one.  The mystery kings are
 much BIGGER than little ole Clinton and Hillary.

  Jamie

File: Column12.txt 

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Re: [CTRL] Polls?

1998-12-22 Thread MShrum

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What makes me so damn mad about these polls is the first one that came
out that put Klinton up to 72% was from 519 people polled with a 4.5%
error margin and they lead all the people on like they polled everyone
in america.

Michael

Stopforth, Jamie wrote:

  -Caveat Lector-

 Great post Edward!  This whole poll thing gets to me.  I like the
 way J.C. Watts put it in his speech Saturday morning...  If this nation was
 a nation governed by polls, women may still not have voting rights and we
 would still have slavery.

  Jamie

  All:
 
  First, let me say that I do not dispute the results of these latest polls
  regarding Clinton. I do, however have questions regarding the general
  stock
  we Americans put in them:
 
  1. At what time of day are these polls taken and what segment of the
  population isnormally polled the most: those at home, work or school?
 
  a. What portion of the United States is represented with respect to these
  polls?
 
  b. Is there any particular geographical location within the United States
  that is polled  more than others?
 
  2. Do any of the above factors have any influence on the outcome of polls?
 
  3. If so, can these factors be manipulated to prove the argument of one
  side or another on any particular issue?
 
  4. Why, then, should Americans trust polls? I, for instance, could argue
  that most Americans were FOR the impeachment of Clinton on the basis of
  the
  results of regional polls taken by one of the local TV stations, which
  typically come out in favor of his impeachment by a margin of two to one
  (WXIA TV; Atlanta, GA as of 12-20-98).
 
  5. If, as I contend, polls are intrinsically untrustworthy, why do we rely
  on them almost exclusively as a reflection of the true "pulse" of the
  nation?
 
  Edward   
  []===[]
   "Go for goats, Bill.  They don't talk." Yasser Arafat
 http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5285/connector1.html
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Re: [CTRL] Title Change!

1998-12-20 Thread MShrum

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Excuse me, Ms Shipton, but the Louisiana Purchase was made AFTER this
country was settled. Please do not lecture me on "studying my history." That is
all I do, night and day!

As for this not being a Christian nation - I refer you to the Supreme
Court's ruling in CHURCH OF THE HOLY TRINITY v. U.S. ; 143 U.S. 457, 458 (1892):

"No purpose of action against religion can be imputed to any legislation,
state or national, because this is a religious people...This is a CHRISTIAN
nation...

"This is a religious people. This is historically true. From the discovery
of this continent to the present hour, there is a single voice making this
affirmation. The commission to Christopher Columbus...[recited] that:

"...it is hoped that by GOD's assistance some of the continents and islands in
the ocean will be discovered...The first colonial grant made to Sir Walter Raleigh
in 1584...and the grant authorizing him to enact statues for the government of the
proposed colony provided that "they not be against the true CHRISTIAN faith..."
[Emphasis mine]

The FIRST charter of Virginia, granted by King James I in 1606...commenced
the grant in these words: "...in propagating of CHRISTIAN RELIGION to such People
as yet live in Darkness..." and finally, from the MAYFLOWER COMPACT:

"Having undertaken for the Glory of GOD, and advancement of the CHRISTIAN
faith...a voyage to plant the first colony in the northern parts of Virginia..."

I suggest you might want to get a copy of THE MYTH OF SEPARATION by David
Barton - Wallbuilder Press 1992


Godspeed!

The OUTLAWLADY

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 Date: Friday, December 18, 1998 4:03 PM
 Subject: [CTRL] Title Change!

 
 
 Excuse me BUT the America's did not only belong to England or to the
 settlers from the Mayflower.  Study history.  We brought the Louisiana
 Purchase from France.  France sold the Louisiana Purchase to America not to
 England.  America is not a Christian, Jewish, or any other nation.  Our
 symbol is the Eagle - it is not the Cross or the Hebrew Star or any other.
 Laura

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[CTRL] Did You Know 11 pt1

1998-12-15 Thread MShrum




Vol I   No. 11
DID YOU KNOW...

WORLD CHAOS was CREATED
with the HELP of the CLINTONS?

"The NATIONAL HATE CRIMES NETWORK (can you say "Gestapo?")
will marshal the resources of federal, state and local enforcement,
community groups, educators, antiviolence advocates"
- President Clinton [1]

PART I of 4
WILLIAM JEFFERSON CLINTON ...
ELECTED OFFICIAL or CFR APPOINTEE?

"Hate speech' and 'hate crime' as legal categories usher in the concept of
political crime - AS UNAMERICAN A PROPOSITION AS THERE CAN BE. America's survival
depends on the unequivocal rejection of political crime." [2] (Balint Vazsonyi lived in
Hungary under Nazi rule and later Communist dictatorship.)

"'Bill Clinton's ties to the intelligence community go back all the way to 
Oxford
and come forward from there,' says a former government official who claims to have
seen files LONG SINCE DESTROYED..." [3]

Back in the 60s, the CIA began an intelligence operation called 'OPERATION
CHAOS.' Chaos was set up to recruit American students as informants and place
provocateurs among the demonstrators.

" 'Get me some COMMIE MONEY AND ORGANIZERS behind this student shit,'
Lyndon Johnson had ordered during a session of his fateful Tuesday Lunch with national
security advisors. The CIA swiftly obliged, using front organizations and foundations 
that
ALREADY OPERATED ILLEGALLY WITHIN THE UNITED STATES and sending out a
circular cable by its own channel to station chiefs all over Europe - especially in
countries where there were increasingly conspicuous colonies of draft resisters, such 
as
Sweden - to target and penetrate student antiwar movements abroad more aggressively
than ever, employing American students themselves as prime sources and de facto
agents.

"According to at least two former agency station chiefs and two more deputies,
who received the instructions and directed such covert operations, the inducements for
the young informers ranged from cash payments to HELP WITH LOCAL DRAFT BOARDS
and even PROMISED DEFERMENTS to more general and sweeping proffers of future help
and influence with careers. 'I could get them some money and accomodations if they
needed it and see that Selective Service stayed off their backs,' said one former CIA
officer...'The Rhodes and Fulbrights and others were going to be important folks
someday, and they knew the advantage of helping out.' " [4]

We know that Clinton worked for Senator Fulbright and went to Oxford on a
Rhodes scholarship. OXFORD is a bed of SOCIALISM, chosen by Sir Cecil Rhodes as heir
to his millions for a scholarship fund. The recipients were to be future world leaders,
willing to aid in a world takeover:

"In his book [TRAGEDY AND HOPE: A HISTORY OF THE WORLD IN OUR TIME]
(author Carroll) Quigley described in great detail the creation of a 'secret society' 
[he
called it the 'SOCIETY OF THE ELECT' and based it on the Jesuit system] the Cecil
Rhodes-led group sought 'nothing less than to create A WORLD SYSTEM OF FINANCIAL
CONTROL IN PRIVATE HANDS ABLE TO DOMINATE THE POLITICAL SYSTEM OF EACH
COUNTRY AND THE ECONOMY OF THE WORLD as a whole'...later [Rhodes] launched the
Rhodes Scholar program described by Quigley...as 'MERELY A FACADE TO CONCEAL
THE SECRET SOCIETY.' Quigley related that a key accomplishment of this secret society
was the creation of 'Institutes of International Affairs in the British dominion 
nations and
in the United States [where it is known as the COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS
(CFR)]...' [5]

"...Introduced to the world of the 'secret society' by Quigley, Bill Clinton
successfully sought acceptance as a Rhodes Scholar. [In addition to Quigley, Clinton
also received help in this from Senator Fulbright - for whom he had worked beginning in
the spring of 1965] He spent two years in the program (1968-70), some of it organizing
protests throughout Europe against America's military and the U.S. effort in Vietnam -
EVEN WHILE IT WAS RAGING!" [6]

"The ROUND TABLE of the legend of King Arthur and his Knights...is strictly a
British M16 intelligence operation established by the COMMITTEE OF 300 which, together
with the Rhodes Scholarship program, is a dagger in the heartland of America. [It] was
established in South Africa [in 1902] by Cecil Rhodes and funded by the English
Rothschild family...The express purpose of the Round Table, after swallowing up South
Africa, was to blunt the benefits to the United States of the American War of
Independence, and once more bring the United States under British control...Using
SCOTTISH RITE FREEMASON principles in selecting members of the Round Table, those
chosen underwent a period of intense training at CAMBRIDGE and OXFORD Universities
under the watchful eyes of John Ruskin, a self-confessed 'old school communist' [Rhodes
was a student of Ruskin, a socialist 

[CTRL] Did You Know 10 pt2

1998-12-11 Thread MShrum




Vol I   No. 10
DID YOU KNOW...

AMERICA'S SOVEREIGNTY
HANGS ON THE OUTCOME of the
IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDINGS?

"Imagine a Boot Stamping
on Your face...Forever"

PART II
Are YOU Already Under
Socialist Rule?

"While THE ULTIMATE GOAL OF THE GLOBAL ELITE IS A WORLD SOCIALIST
GOVERNMENT resulting from a dialectical process, currently what we are experiencing
is perhaps best characterized as 'MULTINATIONAL CORPORATISM.' Not yet SOCIALISM
(where government owns at least key industries such as rails, utilities, banking, 
etc.),
and not quite FASCISM (where government controls at least key industries via
regulations, etc.), 'multinational corporatism' is where large multi-national 
corporations
(e.g., Archer-Daniels-Midland) contribute to key politicians (e.g., Bob Dole), who ram
through legislative bodies (e.g., Congress) such things as GATT even though polls show
about 80% of the public oppose it." [1]

Although Dr. Dennis Cuddy is one of my heroes, in this case I strongly disagree
with the above statement. Granted, it may have been true at the time he wrote this, 
but I
also think it possible that Dr. Cuddy may have become so immersed in his very thorough
research and extremely authoritative writings on education, that he has not 
investigated
the list of EXECUTIVE ORDERS that have been issued so prolifically throughout this
administration [these are no longer restricted to the President - or even the executive
branch. Today, any agency can do this, the mandates of the US Constitution
notwithstanding!]. Do I REALLY believe this is a Fascist and EXTREMELY DANGEROUS
administration? You bet! Let's take a closer look at it:

"Hillary Rodham Clinton is not just co-President of the United States - SHE'S 
THE
REAL POWER IN WASHINGTON, D.C..." So, who is our "REAL" President? Just three
months after her husband took the oath of office [she DIDN'T], she accepted an 
interview
with PARADE magazine, in which she was asked to discuss the people in her life who
inspired her the most. After a bit, she was asked about her favorite writers. Her 
answer
tells us volumes not only about her, but also her agenda for AMERICA: In the article, 
she
claimed to be "fascinated" by Aldous Huxley's BRAVE NEW WORLD and George Orwell's
1984! In case you are unfamiliar with these two books, they both describe in terrifying
detail a world enslaved by a totalitarian government, consisting of a handful of
tyrannical super-wealthy elitists. Terrorism, torture, mandatory drugs, mind-control 
and a
government taboo on any acknowledgement of GOD are their hallmarks. In both cases,
everybody works for the government [i.e., the elite], except a small criminal element,
who are permitted to live "free" in a ghetto on the outskirts of town, because they
provide certain "services" to the state. Hillary admits that these are the books which
"MOST INFLUENCED HER POLITICAL THINKING!" [2] We are going to get back to this
little lady - along with her First Man and her cabinet in a future column!

"In essence, the masses are deprived of the individual liberties afforded them 
by
capitalism...[while being] subject to all of the ravages of early industrial era 
capitalism
such as the huge industrial monopolies, the aggregation of capital in the hands of a
small group of the elite, as well as the low pay and squalid working conditions
described in Charles Dickens' writings. These must also endure the oppressive,
brainwashing, all-seeing 'BIG BROTHER' of George Orwell's 1984. It is a new paradigm,
cloaked in the garments of a 'centrist' and a 'moderate,' proclaiming the glories of 
the
coming millennium, while CONCEALING THE HEART AND INTENT OF A BLOOD-THIRSTY
BEAST OF PREY." [3] Mercy! Sounds like modern-day America, doesn't it?

"The DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISTS OF AMERICA (DSA) is the largest socialist
organization in the United States, and THE PRINCIPAL U.S. AFFILIATE OF THE
SOCIALIST INTERNATIONAL. DSA's members are building progressive movements for
social change while ESTABLISHING AN OPENLY SOCIALIST PRESENCE IN AMERICAN
COMMUNITIES AND POLITICS...DSA is working with the Congressional Progressive
Caucus...The Progressive Caucus of the US House of Representatives is made up of 58
members of the House..." [4]

"DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISTS OF AMERICA (DSA), for the first time since the First
World War brought together the various splinters of left opinion in America: former
SOCIALISTS and COMMUNISTS, former OLD LEFTISTS and NEW LEFTISTS, and many
who had never been leftists at all. The decades of disunion had taken their toll. The
hundreds of thousands of Debs's day had dwindled to mere thousands. But a new
beginning now seems possible in the 1990s..." [5]

"Our military budget can be reduced substantially and permanently...I believe
that tepid cuts in military spending will produce the worst of all economic worlds -
reduced job opportunities 

[CTRL] Nuke Waste Dump in Australia

1998-12-09 Thread MShrum




Yahoo News

Tuesday December 8, 1:12 PM

Clinton adviser urges Australia to consider being world's nuclear dump.

 SYDNEY, Dec 8 (AFP) - Australia should consider an international plan to become a
dumping ground for the world's nuclear waste, a top adviser to US President Bill
Clinton said
Tuesday, drawing immediate protests from environmentalists.

Australia is in a unique position because of its geography and political stability to
help the world
solve the problem of where to store nuclear waste from bombs dismantled at the end
of the Cold
War, according to Clinton's special envoy on weapons of mass distruction, Robert
Gallucci.

"If Australia could appreciate the concept and decide it was in the national interest
there would be
enormous benefits for the world," he told The Australian newspaper.

Australia was one of the few places in the world with the political and geological
stability necessary
for such a sensitive gatekeeping job, Galluci said.

But environmentalists objected Tuesday, saying saddling Australia with the world's
nuclear waste
was short-sighted.

"The government of Australia has only been around for 99 years," Larry O'Loughin,
a campaigner
for the Australian Conservation Foundation, told AFP.

"It's a very optimistic outlook to say Australia's going to have a stable political
outlook for 200,000
years. That's just farcical."

Galluci, dean of the prestigious Georgetown University school of foreign service,
said he had met
Australian prime minister John Howard earlier this year but said they had not
discussed the issue of
nuclear waste.

The Australian government has denied holding ministerial talks with the US on a
possible waste
dump and has offered no public support for the plan, a move that would draw the
immediate ire of
environmentalists.

But the Clinton adviser said the White House had been briefed on an US company's
proposal to
establish a massive nuclear waste dump in remote parts of Australia's west and
south, a plan he
backed.

"I don't think the US government is officially aware but there have been informal
discussions about
an approach to the Australian government at various levels," he told the newspaper.

"Australia could play a pretty unique role if Australia was willing to do it."

A video tape issued by Seattle-based Pangea promoting the idea of a massive
Australian dump was
leaked to Australian environmentalists last week, forcing the company to go public
with its plans.

According to the company, only two countries in the world -- Argentina and Australia
-- have the
needed stable geography and political systems for a nuclear dump like the one it is
proposing.


Re: [CTRL] Did You Know 8

1998-12-06 Thread MShrum

 -Caveat Lector-

Thanks for the suggestion. When I think of the CIA, I think of the old song parody
"They're everywhere!" "They're everywhere!"


Lady

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 The December 2l, l998 issue of THE NATION has a marvelous article by Peter
 Kornbluh about Pinochet and our part in making his governmental policies.  It
 appears the British are not all fond of him either.  There is one spot in the
 article where a British columnist for THE INDEPENDENT responds to Chileans
 lobbying for Pinochet's release by writing:

 "Your beloved general is safe from us.  He will not be tortured, stabbed or
 shot, or have electrodes attached to his genitals.  We will not drop him from
 a helicopter into the sea, kidnap his grandchildren, break his hands or gouge
 his eyes.  Our most vengeful hope is that he and his family may feel--if only
 for a second--one billionth part of the terrible pain and mental agony that he
 so pompously and callously visited on others."

 And our CIA could always chime in just like the kid in the commercials with,
 "And I helped."   There's one observation that the CIA's Santiago station
 chief, Stuart Burton, maintained "a close relationship: with DINA commander
 Col. Manuel Contreras.  They used to go on SUnday picnics together with their
 families.  It's a humdinger of an article, and I recommend it highly.   The
 Calvin Trillin poem alone is worth the price of the magazine.

 Prudy

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