[CTRL] SABA! Shut the F*CK UP!

2001-09-13 Thread ashley Abraham

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I think I speak for many here when I say, Put a cork in it, you stupid
BITCH! Jihad is forever? Fuck you, you worthless cunt! Just SHUT UP! No
one wants to hear your ADL shit and anti-Jewish drivel. You don't even
fucking GET IT! Your beloved Islamic extremists are responsible for this
carnage and you can't quit yapping about the Jews. Screw you! It is time for
you, with your hate and stupidity, to remove yourself from this list. You
are disruptive, hateful and ill-informed. There are people here who actually
care about what happened and don't need to hear your crap. Go blow your
brains out and help make this world a better place!

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Re: [CTRL] Terror At Home- The Price Of Hegemony

2001-09-13 Thread ashley Abraham

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Dear God, Bill! Quit eating Colleen out for one second and listen to your
own pathetitc rantings! Do you honestly blame Israel for this horror? You
are such a dumb ASS! You have been cheering for these arab extremists for so
long you can't even stand to see the truth! When did you become such a
brainwashed idiot-savant? I urge you to re-enter normal society and leave
all of your misguided hatred behind you. Yeah, that would be such a great
idea to let Israel sink and lose our only port in the storm of arab hatred.
Their hatred goes back a little further than our support for Israel. Remeber
the Gulf War? Well, they haven't! Get your priorities staight!


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Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 20:20:47 EDT

In a message dated 9/12/01 7:12:19 PM Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


 

Besides inciting acts of terrorism on our soil?

It is HIGH TIME to let Israel sink or swim on their own...take the training
wheels off and let's see how long it takes for them to fall into a BUSH.

Bill.


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[CTRL] Picture:Face In The Smoke?

2001-09-13 Thread ashley Abraham

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This is kinda weird.

http://dailynews.philly.com/content/daily%5Fnews/2001/09/13/local/DEVI13C.htm


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Re: [CTRL] JEWS, COMMUNISM and CIVIL RIGHTS

2001-09-11 Thread ashley Abraham

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Bill,
And you could be a wife-beater hiding from federal agents in your Arizona
bunker. And drunk, I presume!??


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Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 21:56:10 -0700

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At 09:47 PM 9/6/01 -0700, ashley Abraham [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Damian,
 David Duke is a LOSER!

Ashley:

We have only your word for this.  How do we know you're credible?

You could just be a computer program running on a microchip in the basement
of the ADL headquarters.

DBC

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Re: [CTRL] Report: Cult infant starved to death, buried in state park

2001-09-06 Thread ashley Abraham

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Whatever! What Old Testament are you reading? Your own special version? You
are too dim for words!

I doubt God would intercede here if he did not fit to intercede for  the
baby - for you see the Jewish Talmud and Old Testament calls for ritual
sacrifice?

But then we are just dealing with trailer trash here - right Joshua?

Saba


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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Crimes against Christianity

2001-09-06 Thread ashley Abraham

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Saba, the authority on Christianity, wrote:

Long ago I was told by this man that I should beware more of those who
say they are Christians and are not, that those who say they are Jews,
and are not for you see they are one and the same - Zionists.

I'd have to say he was talking about YOU!

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Re: [CTRL] JEWS, COMMUNISM and CIVIL RIGHTS

2001-09-06 Thread ashley Abraham

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Damian,
David Duke is a LOSER! That B wouldn't stand for Bill, would it?

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At 11:53 PM 9/6/01 -0400, thew [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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  david duke? civil rights?
  is the david duke who ran for Gov. of LA? the KK member? the guy
photographed
  in a nazi uniform? THAT david duke?
  --


And your point is ... what?

That David Duke can't be right about Jews, Communism, and Civil Rights?

Pure ad hominem  illogic.

DBC

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: The Enquirer - Peter Bronson - January 12, 1997

2001-09-06 Thread ashley Abraham

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Holy Cripes! You just keep saying the same crap OVER and OVER and OVER
again! The whole world does not revolve around Meyer Lanskey and Larry
Flint. A little (heavy on the little) knowledge. And don't you think
it is just possible that some men are pigs and will screw anything? They
don't have to be baited by Israeli agents. My guess is that you have zero
experience with men.
-Ashley


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Subject: [CTRL] Fwd: The Enquirer - Peter Bronson - January 12, 1997
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 11:15:29 -0400

This is an interesting item - see how Larry Flynt operates.

Now imagine maybe this Blue Dog Group going out for a few drinks -
Condit and his buddies like to hit the bars which made them most
vulnerable.

But Condit did not drink - how many times has Chandra Levy's mother
pointed this out, for he did not drink or smoke.

Yet hanging around the bars even on own turf can be very very deadly -
if one looks aat the Airline employee, dyed red hai dark roots - and
rather than reporting of what she knew to the police she races to the
news media - and these other women all piling up against these guys?

Scarborough?   Well a dead aid found in his office but consider the type
of people with whom Larry Flynt breaks bread?   ADL and Flynt are all
orgnized crime figures for they run in the same pack and blackmail is
the name of the game.

This JJ Cafaro on the ten top list for jewish contributors may go to
jail in February with James Traficant and Traficant is holding his own.

Florida and California - this is where these people have a firm hold -
in particular these two honest cops knew when to fold - but to see the
prostitutes and/or call girls moving in is a typical Larry Flynt Game?

He is so low, and at one time made a nice front man for their drug
running using his established routes - but do not think Flynt made money
selling his Hustler magazine

Someday the next time the mob orders a hit on someone who is trying to
screw them, they will us a silver bullet - but then, what goes around
comes around?

Dr. Irvin Moskowitz and Larry Flynt work same side of street.from
same garbage pile

Saba


E N Q U I R E R   O P I N I O N
Sunday, January 12, 1997
Support your local sheriff
BY PETER BRONSON
The Cincinnati Enquirer

QA with Si Leis

Q. Is Hustler magazine still illegal?

A. ''Yes. The trial took six weeks and was based on 11 issues of the
magazine. The jury convicted him.

''He has threatened to bring it back. I can assure you that if he brings
it back, my men will pick it up and bring charges. ... I have no doubt
that if the case is handled right, he will be convicted again.''

Q. How did you feel about being portrayed by former Clinton adviser
James Carville?

A. ''Unbelievable. I never knew he was an actor.''

Q. Whom would you choose?

A. ''I'm not into that Hollywood scene much. (Laughs.) Maybe Tom
Cruise.''

Q. Did you get an invitation to the movie?

A. ''I received several.''

Q. Are you going?

A. Silence. Hard stare. Slight smile. ''You gotta be kidding.''

Q. What do you think of the way the movie compares Larry Flynt to
Charles Keating?

A. ''Charlie Keating had nothing to do with the trial. He was just a man
who stood up to say what was wrong.''

Q. What do you think of Larry Flynt now?

A. ''He's a sicko, that's what I say. I'm reminded the man is a sicko
because normal people wouldn't do what he's done.''

The double-tough, poison-on-porn lawman who ran Larry Flynt out of
business, out of Cincinnati and directly to jail was once just a
snapshot away from appearing in Larry Flynt's Hustler magazine.

Saba Note:   Here is one way they set up men who are
vulneraable plus using drugs in drinksWas Chandra Levy with her
glamour shots being used by ADL - was she fooling with wrong person -
and why the clue Klingle Mansion where JJ Cafaro going to trial had
connection***

Hamilton County Sheriff Si Leis still shakes his head and laughs
ruefully about how close he came to having his picture in the skin
magazine that he successfully prosecuted as criminal obscenity in 1977,
as Hamilton County prosecutor.


''It was a bad scene,'' he says, thinking back. ''They had a mayors'
conference in Cleveland, to discuss the blight of obscenity on cities. I
was invited and took my first assistant, who is now Judge Fred
Cartolano. I made my talk, and we're sitting in the back, listening to
the other speakers, when this gal appeared and identified herself as a
lawyer for some city out West. She said her city was having an obscenity
problem and wanted to talk to me, one-to-one, to ask how we handled it.
''So Fred and I went down to the bar in the hotel, and she shows up, and
suddenly there's this second gal. . . . About halfway into the
conversation it changed and became very personal. Fred and I realized at
about the same time that something was funny. He caught my eye, 

Re: [CTRL] White House Acknowledges Germ-Warfare Research

2001-09-05 Thread ashley Abraham

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Radiation is not biological warfare, yet we all got potassium iodate tablets
in case of a nuclear meltdown for Y2K. So I wonder, do you think you are
smarter than the White House? I guess that would explain your fame.

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   Chemical attack is different from biological attack.  You can't create a
vaccine to protect against chemical attack for god's sake.  The WH is chock
full of idiots.

Samantha

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  http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,33596,00.html
 
   White House Acknowledges Germ-Warfare Research, Says Aim
   Was to Develop Vaccine
   Tuesday, September 04, 2001
 
   WASHINGTON — The United States has spent years conducting
   secret research on biological weapons with the goal of developing
   a vaccine to protect U.S. soldiers from chemical attacks, the White
   House said Tuesday.

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Re: [CTRL] NE: Condit's Plan to Get Rid of Body (Full Transcript)

2001-09-05 Thread ashley Abraham

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samantha,
Your ASS-inine brain is showing. I agree with Lassey. She makes a lot of
great points. You have done well in defending Condit, my son, but MOVE ON!
He's a slime and you just keep coating yourself with it.


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   Now here is a powerful argument for socialized medicine!  I hope you can
get help soon.

Samantha

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  This makes me sick
 
   Yes protect yet another lying rat! Yes, take up a collection for the
   murderer
   mother in Texas but don't care one whit about the kids she killed  or
the
   babies being murdered alive every day in this country. Yes leave the ex
   first pig
   alone-it's his personal business. Yes, make Harry Potter witchcraft
   required reading in American schools, but DO NOT MENTION the living
   GOD!!
   Everything is upside down!
 
   AMERICA, AMERICA, God's judgement is hanging over us by
   a mere thread!! and VERY soon that thread will break.
 
 

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Re: [CTRL] NE: Condit's Plan to Get Rid of Body (Full Transcript)

2001-09-04 Thread ashley Abraham

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Jeez, you creep me out! So, everything bad that happens in the world is the
fault of the Jews? Speak up, mini-Hitler, I can't hear you. This is the most
ridiculous tripe I have ever heard! You can NOT be sane, lady. And Nazis
need not apply to CTRL? What a joke! Get a life, woman! Some people get into
trouble all by themselves, without evil Jews operating them like
marionettes.


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Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 17:26:24 -0400

-Caveat Lector-

Well maybe Condit is being destroyed for he is a 'conservative' - a Blue
Dog?   And the Mossad sent in a prostitute as they sent in little Monica
to sodomze the President of the United Statel while  phone calls were
tapped and KGB sat in the office of the FBi in if you forgive the
ridiculous term - counter-intelligence - Zionist Inc.

Note all the filth and garbage began with the advent of the likes of the
Clintonites and those who sleep in same bed with the Great Sodomist
Larry Flynt who wants to drag society down to his level.

Now in California most notably as of late in Orange County Larry Flynt
and this Dr. Irving Moskowitz who used corrupt money and gambling/bingo
money to move in on Arab land (which was protested by local Rabbis and
other humanitarian organization - )  it seems we have Meyer Lansky
revisited now going on it Israel and in California.

Now Gary Condit had to be reduced to their level without a doubt and
this is just a theory - this man somehow got involved with the jewish
girl Chandra Levy who ws on payroll she thought, of Mossad when in fact
she was on payroll, of criminal syndicate for hey California is up for
sale?

Condit was one of the Blue Dog Conservativesconsider Monica with her
Pizza Pie and then wondner, did Chandra do any cooking for Condit - east
to lure a man getting to his age on with more than just pizza pie.

How did she get the jobwhat about their Cleveland and Columbus, Ohio
connections - for there is something odd about this whole family.

Just a thought for I keep thinking of all these doctors here in Columbus
(and Levys had friends here) who were into drugs, pornography, murder -
and lo and behold had hit man dressed like a Count Sheriff murder a
black doctor and blame young innocent black kid?   Now I helped exposed
that onemore I think of it then we had Klebold from Ohio?

What about Scarborough.something very wrong here.

But remember the Zionists were set for the take over in the year 2,000
but Bush beat themthey like in wait like cowardly hit and run
Gideons...

We see footsteps of Zionists and the criminal organization ADL and Bnai
Brith - we see their handowork in Waco, Ruby Ridge, and this latest
incident in LA where a young guy was burned alive with his dog.

Sodom and Gomorrah?   I say, all those wild fires in California set by
arsonistswonder why?

Remember you have this sinister cororupt Jewish Mafia operating out
there now and this evil Dr. Moskowitz sitting back and taking dirty
money to Israel and if they have there way Israel will thrive as Cuba
did once, while the local peasants lay in streets watching oh golly,
what fun.

Anything these vermin touch, they dirty up or destroy.

Beware of Jews who say they are Jews and are not and beware of sodomists
like Larry Flynt and I thought public sodomy wwas a feilony - anybody
know that guy's real name.

Too bad the guy who nailed him, was such a poor shot.

Saba

Was Gary Condit set up by Jewish Mafia? He may have been vulnerable at
the dangerous age, this vain man and who got Meyer Lansky, this rat
faced pig's kid in West Point?   ADL taking money from murder inc. and
drug dealers and pigs like Marc Rich?

Somehow all these connectons lead to Columbus - even Levy friends but
then what would you expect for Columbus has for years been a big
laundering center for dirty money.

Pigs are pigs.Larry Flynt is front man but who is Chief Pig now and
Dr. Irving Moskowitz seems to be one of them - but who is the head pig?

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Re: [CTRL] PORN INDUSTRY'S NEW ASSAULT ON FAMILY

2001-09-01 Thread ashley Abraham

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Oh Good Lord! It was a joke, people! And I'm pretty sure that Bill
understood that. Sorry for confounding your brains.
-Ashley


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Subject: Re: [CTRL] PORN INDUSTRY'S NEW ASSAULT ON FAMILY
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 17:11:39 -0500

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I agree with June completely on this.  Should we not attack the
post and NOT the poster?  I often post things I find interesting
but that may or may not indicate that I 'believe' what the article
states, merely that it is interesting.  It wastes
time/effort/bandwidth to apply legal disclaimers to each post.
Personal commentary is a different thing, however.   Personally, I
post things from time to time in which others have expressed an
interest on list and may not have an opinion at all on  the
subject.

Discussing the points the author of an article has made can be a
constructive thing as well as posting articles or information which
will 'counter' the objectionable post.  Ad hominim attacks on the
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The article in question seems valid to me as I never encounter porn
'by accident' and do a great deal of surfing.  I hope people will
not be intimidated about posting legitimate articles to the list
for fear of personal attack based on the content of the article.
As long as it is on topic and no personal endorsement or commentary
is made, posts should be made without a defense being necessary.
~Amelia~

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From: RevCOAL [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 7:49 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] PORN INDUSTRY'S NEW ASSAULT ON FAMILY


-Caveat Lector-

On Thu, 30 Aug 2001, ashley Abraham wrote:
 Billy-boy, just because you subsist on pictures via the internet
of
 champagne bottles in anuses doesn't mean we all should. That DOES
hurt by
 the way...you should try it.

It sounds like Ashley has very intimate knowledge on the subject...

Bill never said that he 'subsisted' or otherwise engaged in
pornography,
whether online or offline; the point he was making is that this
stuff
doesn't just magically appear on one's computer, whether desktop
system
or palmtop -- the person at the keyboard has to deliberately seek
it out.


June

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Re: [CTRL] Skolnick- Wal-Mart The Red Chinese (Pt.1)

2001-08-30 Thread ashley Abraham

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BULLSHIT!!! This is just so much crap. Check your drawers, buddy. It may be
emanating from there. Slave labor? What about Gap, Nike, Ralph Lauren? Are
they also a party to Red China? Pinch yourself and wake up, my friend, it
was all a bad dream.
-Ashley


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Subject: [CTRL] Skolnick- Wal-Mart  The Red Chinese (Pt.1)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 20:04:31 EDT

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Wal-Mart And The Red Chinese
Secret Police, Pt 1

By Sherman H. Skolnick

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8-26-1

To understand Wal-Mart, you have to have a handle on Arkansas. And to
figure
out Arkansas, you have to be knowledgeable about the Rockefellers. And to
fathom the Red Chinese Secret Police, you have to know a lot about the
richest family in the world.

To begin. The Rockefellers like to own and operate entire states with a
sizeable geography, good natural assets, and a relatively small population.
That way, if need be, to win a so-called election, they could more or
less
find it cheap to buy all the votes they may need to install their people.
West Virginia is such a state. Like an ancient Colossus of Rhodes, astride
the entrance to a harbor, the Rockefellers have a foot on both sides. On
occasion, they pretend to be Democrats. Other times, as Republicans. They
have installed as U.S. Senator (W.Va., D.) John D. Rockefeller 4th, great
grandson of John D. Rockefeller, founder of the bloody and infamous
Standard
Oil Trust. Broken up by a U.S. Supreme Court decree in 1911, the Standard
Oil
Trust, changing its name slightly to fool novices, is back together again.



Historically, Standard Oil would bomb their own obsolete plants, to blame
onto a competitor, thereby gaining public support and strangling
competition.
[Ida Tarbell wrote early in the 20th Century detailed accounts of
Rockefeller
crimes.]

As U.S. Senator he calls himself Jay to be cute. His wife, Sharon Percy
Rockefeller, has a key position in so-called public broadcasting.
Consequently, we call it National Petroleum Radio. NPR and PBS would never
finger the Rockefellers and Big Oil. [Happily, she has no sayso whatever in
local public access Cable TV, where we operate an opposition to the
monopoly
press.]

We have determined to our satisfaction, by confronting them, that
Chicago-based Harris Bank reportedly has dozens and dozens of secret joint
accounts of the Percy/Rockefeller Family with so-called terrorist Osama
bin
Laden, tied together through Mid-East construction contracts. Ha! Ha! The
oil-soaked White House says they would like to freeze bin Laden's bank
accounts if they can find them. Really?

Another Rockefeller owned and operated state is Arkansas. Sizeable land,
small population. You cannot be so much as a successful dog-catcher there
without the blessings of the Rockefellers. Several terms before Clinton,
Winthrop Rockefeller was Governor. Our interviews with middle-level members
of the Rockefeller Family convinces us his proper name should be WILLIAM
ROCKEFELLER CLINTON. We feel certain, from all we know, that Sludge Willy
is
the illegitimate great grandson of the unsmiling Rockefeller patriarch.

The Rockefellers are not naive plutocrats. If there ever were ANY documents
proving that Winthrop Rockefeller fathered five illegitimate children
around
the nation including the person who calls himself Bill Clinton, those
records, if any, have long since been destroyed.

So please, like some ninny, do not heckle us with Where are your
documents?
Until the Rockefellers are ready to throw away Bill and Hillary as no
longer
useful, they are untouchable. At the Senate Clinton Impeachment trial, the
U.S. Senators certainly understood all this. [As an example, is it
necessary
for us to point out that the so-called Watergate Affair was touched off
without a single document?]

It is surprising how some people look at a backward state like Arkansas,
and
yet do not wonder about the so-called great fortunes headquartered there.
Tyson Chickens. Wal-Mart Stores, Inc. and all their subsidiaries, and J.B.
Hunt Transport Services, Inc.

The U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration, DEA, reportedly has undercover
agent reports how Tyson, in the past, has been partly financed by dope
trafficking. [Of course, their major user, McDonald's, having their own
problems, obviously is not interested to know. Visit our website story
about
McDonald's, Coca-Cola, the CIA, and the Courts, Part 8.]

Cynics point to Puerto Rico where Tyson supposedly got some of their
chickens. Was contraband tucked into some of the birds who were so old,
wags
claimed these chickens were eligible for Social Security pensions?

Tyson has supposedly offered their chicken preparation expertise to Red
China. Really? The Chinese have been handling chickens for centuries. Do
they
REALLY need consulting with Tyson? Need we point out, that 

Re: [CTRL] PORN INDUSTRY'S NEW ASSAULT ON FAMILY

2001-08-30 Thread ashley Abraham

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Billy-boy, just because you subsist on pictures via the internet of
champagne bottles in anuses doesn't mean we all should. That DOES hurt by
the way...you should try it.
-Ashley

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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 19:21:00 EDT

In a message dated 8/28/01 10:17:38 AM Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


  The pornography industry has launched a new assault on the
  family with software that makes hard-core images available virtually
 

Oh GOD FORBID!!!
What are we gonna' do now
The end is near

LMAO
Get a grip man...
Bill


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Re: [CTRL] World stays silent

2001-08-30 Thread ashley Abraham

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Prudy, the rocket-scientist wrote:

It is that the Israeli have learned that they can kill off the Palestinians
if they do it gradually and scream about terrorisn as they go.

Oh My God! Are you daft, woman? Scream about terrorism? It is something
that the Israelis deal with daily and you make light of it?
That is truly pathetic! Imagine seeing your baby with nails embedded in his
head and then be nonchalant about the subject. You are so sorely lacking in
insight that it is just sad!
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Re: [CTRL] JOHN F. KENNEDY WAS NOT MEMBER OF CFR

2001-08-24 Thread ashley Abraham

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Aleisha wrote:
Well thank you Amelia we all make mistakes, but June has the nasty habit
of shooting off her mouth, questioning everybody's posts but this most
positive reaction from her re my post on JFK I could not let go by
unchallenged.

And it is about time people know what a LIAR is for JFK was not CFR and
this is the reason, he was murdered - this is the reason REAGAN was
nearly assassinated - and further, Edward M. Kennedy has had to remain
silent to protect those about him.

Little John John was about to expose a lot of stuff...so anyway,
June should check he facts before making such positive statements.

And to you June I say - THE HELL HE WAS
And further June, Ted Kennedy was given the 2nd Irish Mafia Card I had
printed and Bud Fensterwald of the Committee to Investigate
Assassinations, got the first..and my pilot friend gave my card to
many, many pilots who carried them in the Viet Nam war.

You Irish?   Don't make me laugh.   Prove it.Show me your
pedigree.
Maybe you would come under the right to return to Ireland 

OSaba
International Order of the Irish Mafia
The Godmother
Don't Tread on Me You SOB
Clan of Dan

Funny, I thought you were arabic, what with your Jihud is Forever slogan.
How convenient for you to become Irish all of the sudden!
You crack me up. Yesterday you were wondering if JFK was killed because he
was CFR or killed because he wasn't. Now you are the all knowing expert on
the fact that he wasn't. Whatever. I just finished reading The Dark Side Of
Camelot, and have concluded that it doesn't matter if JFK was CFR or not. He
was a goddamn Asshole, the exact duplicate of our illustrious Bill Clinton.
The fact that the press was more discreet back then doesn't change a thing.
He was an arrogant bastard who cheated on his wife every chance he got and
had no sense of loyalty whatsoever, for his family or for his country. It
was all about him, a power hungry BRAT! While I don't think he should have
been murdered for his shortcomings, he certainly wasn't the altruistic
martyr he has become in most people's eyes.
-Ashley

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Re: [CTRL] Sp*** Wail

2001-08-24 Thread ashley Abraham

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Subject: Re: [CTRL] Sp*** Wail
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 09:09:29 -0400

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She can get food and lodging, heat and utilities, when she goes to jail for
illegal wiretapping.

That is really humorous. I was thinking the same thing! AMEN brother!
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Re: [CTRL] To die for.

2001-08-24 Thread ashley Abraham

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Dear God, Bill! Quit drinking Absynthe and making an ass of yourself! But if
you can't, could you mail your ear to me?
-Ashley

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Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 23:53:50 EDT

In a message dated 8/17/01 9:45:26 PM Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


 

I'll grant you that pardner'.

I have
done more in defining and developing the REAL conspiracy of our era than
just about anyone else. And not just here either. 

Perhaps you have...say, was that under the Billy Schwartz monniker??

I don't care if you support the Palestinians or not

I'm not especially fond of that lot, but I AM offended by racist pograms
that
OUR government supports...sue me!

I'll say it again so that even a clown like you can understand.

Ouch!!! Insulting me...typical I s'pose...

I am not
a Zionist and never was. 

Methinks you protest too much...

What you in your pathetic Saba like ignorance call the ADL/Zionist line
is simply what we all have in common. 

You lost me there Seth...er I mean Joshua...

And yes the Lewinsky thing is absurd.(Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.)
And so are you and your looney reptilians.

Oooh! More insults!!! Go figure!!!
Did I touch a nerve there Abe?? Er, Josh

You need to chill out!!

Take a lil' trip to Virginia, breathe some fresh air, take that yarmulke
off
and expose that nekkid bald spot, shave them outdated sideburns...take yer'
shoes off and just kick the F back baby!!!
Stress kills! You don't wanna' die before WW3, do ya'?

And Moises, er ooopsie I mean Bill, er is that Joshua...this is all in good
fun, like shootin' Palestinian children (you know!!!) so relax and just
enjoy
the ride!

Bill.

Prolly o'er me limit onlist...but ya' n'er know!


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[CTRL] Israel Attacks Despite Powell's Call For Restraint

2001-08-10 Thread ashley Abraham

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Makes me wonder, would America show restraint if we were the target of a
terrorist attack? I think not. And Powell is well aware of this. Does anyone
really believe that if the Israelis do nothing that the Palestinians will
stop their Jihad? At least the Israelis will not target family hang-outs
or schools.



Thursday, 9 August 2001 22:28 (ET)


Israel attacks despite Powell's call for restraint
By ELI J. LAKE

WASHINGTON, Aug. 9 (UPI) -- Despite urgings from Secretary of State Colin
Powell to restrain his response to Thursday's deadly Palestinian suicide
bombing in central Jerusalem, Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon ordered
F-16s to strike a Palestinian police station outside Ramallah and his army
to seize offices of the Palestinian Authority and Palestine Liberation
Organization.

Powell spoke with Sharon by telephone Thursday afternoon after answering
questions from reporters outside the State Department. It was largely a
call to express condolences, a senior State Department official told United
Press International Thursday evening.

The phone call followed a suicide bomb attack by a Palestinian militant
that killed 15 people -- including the bomber -- and injured more than 130
others at a busy fast-food restaurant. This official said Sharon told him
where he stood on the situation as he saw it.

He said Sharon, talked about the pressure he was under to do something,
but added, he didn't ask for a green light, referring to Thursday
evening's Israeli counter attacks.

The phone call wrapped up a day of intense diplomacy for Powell, who in
between meetings with top Mexican officials, spoke with Palestinian leader
Yasser Arafat, U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan, Foreign Minister Louis
Michel of Belgium -- the current head of the European Union -- and EU
foreign minister Javier Solana.

This official said Powell echoed his message to reporters regarding the
need to break the cycle of violence that has engulfed Israel and the
Palestinian territories for nearly eleven months.

Earlier Thursday Powell told reporters, they both have to do everything
they can to reduce the violence, reduce the provocations and the
counter-response to provocations.

But it appears Powell's consistent calls for calm has fallen on deaf ears.
Despite early reports from the region that Thursday's F-16 strikes resulted
in no casualties, the State Department has publicly and privately urged the
Israelis not to use the fighter jets designed for air-to-air combat against
civilian targets.

On Wednesday, State Department spokesman Richard Boucher said in response
to questions about Israel's use of U.S. hardware for counter strikes that
the United States was not investigating potential violations of the Arms
Export Control Act, which governs the circumstances under which U.S. weapons
exports can be used.

Should the State Department find that Israel's use of the American arms,
such as the F-16, was not defensive in nature or decreased stability in the
region, the United States would be forced to at least consider limiting or
cutting off future arms shipments to Israel.
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Re: [CTRL] Witness against Skakel ODs

2001-08-10 Thread ashley Abraham

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Amelia,
I think you mean Robert Blake. This was the most recent article on this
subject that I could find.


Thursday July 19, 9:08 pm Eastern Time
Press Release
SOURCE: E! News Daily
'America's Most Wanted' Host John Walsh Opens Up to 'E! News Daily' About
the Robert Blake, Chandra Levy Investigations
LOS ANGELES, July 19 /PRNewswire/ -- It's been 20 years since the murder of
Adam Walsh. The show ``America's Most Wanted'' is going into its 14th year
-- hosted by Adam's father, John Walsh. Walsh speaks to ``E! News Daily''
with some bold statements about the Chandra Levy and Robert Blake cases on
tomorrow's edition (Friday, July 20) of ``E! News Daily'' at 6:30 PM ET/PT.

Walsh on Chandra Levy:

``The Levy case has captured the attention of the nation because Gary Condit
was not forthcoming. Two months ago he should have done what I did when my
son was missing twenty years ago. My wife and I, the first thing you do is
you go in for a polygraph. They do a parallel investigation. They look at
the family and any relationships, boyfriend, girlfriends, weird uncle --
whatever. You take the polygraph, a police polygraph.''

Walsh on Robert Blake:

``Really, if the mother of your child and your wife is murdered while you go
back inside of a restaurant, I don't think the next day you hire a top
defense attorney. I don't think you start saying what a slut she is and look
who's out there to kill her. I think you know what you do. You say 'I'm
hurting. Let's find out who killed my wife.' You cooperate with police fully
and you do the best you can to try to solve the case. Just my gut feeling.''

For more of Walsh's interview, tune into tomorrow's edition (Friday, July
20) of ``E! News Daily,'' hosted by Steve Kmetko and Jules Asner, on E! at
6:30 PM PT/ET. The episode will re-air on Monday, July 23 at 7:00 AM ET/PT.

SOURCE: E! News Daily



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Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 01:28:54 -0500

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I think Dominick Dunne the author was also involved in keeping it
alive.  Furman we can ignore but this death is, as June says, just
too convenient.

This and Condit have taken all the heat off of the murder of the
wife of Edward Blake, too.  Anyone know of any developments in that
case?  Or being Hollywood, will they just allow that investigation
to languish?
~Amelia~


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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Song of Songs (No. 145)

2001-08-05 Thread ashley Abraham

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Aleisha,
This was a very good article. I really enjoyed it. While I have enjoyed
our sparring sessions, I would like to call a truce(for now, anyways). I do
hope that you are one of those who can argue without it becoming personal.
It has been fun, Ashley

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Re: [CTRL] LaRouche- Mideast War Alert

2001-08-04 Thread ashley Abraham

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From: Aleisha Saba [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 10:08:13 -0400

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And further Ashley, you piece of shit - the reference to trailer trash -
did you know there are people on list who live in trailers?

Go get another name..your pedigree is showing.

Oh, OUCH! A stupid Nazi BITCH called me a piece of shit. Oh, how can I live
another day?
Yes I do know that there are people on this list who live in trailers,
YOU!!! You just made it clear. Thou protesteth too much! Very fitting for
one who hob-nobs with the rich and powerful(in your DREAMS!). It is
perfectly clear that NOBODY could ever take you seriously, besides yourself.
And I declare your witness as incompetant. Case dismissed!!!
OH yes, you are right: my pedigree is showing! At least I have one, DOH!


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Re: [CTRL] Something Rotten In The State Of Israel

2001-08-04 Thread ashley Abraham

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Prudy,
I apologize. I was under the impression that you were saying that the
holocaust was unimportant in the face of all the other destruction that went
on in WWII. Your response was heartening and I realize that you do not think
that. Please forgive my overeager reply. I do not approve of torture or
torment of any people for any reason. I just feel that too many people are
posting anti-Israeli articles that omit the fact that there are definitely
two sides to the problems going on in the middle-east.
Despite my last name, I feel that the arabs have let the Palestinian people
suffer for arab gain. I do have a heart for the Palestinians, but don't see
it as the Israeli's fault. The Jordanians, and other arab countries, could
have absorbed these people decades ago but refused to do in order to create
this very problem. The other arab nations do not want, and never did want,
the nation of Israel to exist. This is their way of fighting it. And judging
by this list, it is working.

From: Prudence L. Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: [CTRL] Something Rotten In The State Of Israel
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 09:00:57 EDT

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In a message dated 08/02/2001 4:48:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Oh Prudy, did you suffer from WWII as well? You have a crappy
attitude. I
  hardly think that the Jews feel like they were the only ones to suffer.
They
  were there, remember? They saw others being tortured and dehumanized by
your
  heroes, the nazis. Why do you thrive on making less of it than it really
  was? Could be you're still mad that the Allies took your S.S. whip from
you.
  -Ashley 

What are you talking about?  I guess I might have suffered a tiny bit in WW
II.   The things done to the Jews in Europe by the Nazis were unthinkable.
The films at the end of the war showed such horror that watching them was a
penance.  What could ever make you think I could have approved of that?
The
Nazis were beasts.  The Jews who survived told us that, and there is no
reason for disbelief.  I am not making less of it.  I am making more of it.
Remember, the Jews who survived the Holocaust that seemed to have been
approved by the British and American authorities (not to mention Pope Pius)
are mostly gone now, and in many cases were not treated fairly even by the
Israel whose methods you seem to approve.  Torture and torment are not
exclusive to the Nazis in Germany and the European populations of World War
II.  Torture and torment perpetrated by Israeli against the Palestinians is
no less disgusting.  Torture and torment of a people because of their race
and/or religion is a Nazi characteristic and is abhorrent.  You may approve
of what the Israeli have done and are doing to the Palestinians but I
cannot.
  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] Something Rotten In The State Of Israel

2001-08-03 Thread ashley Abraham

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J2, Thanks, I couldn't have said it better myself. Bill, you should read a
little book called The Rise And Fall Of The Third Reich, written in the
50's; before anyone had a chance to put their own slant on things. You
should also read The Warrior by Ariel Sharon, if you are not too far gone on
hating all jews. He gives a good account of what it was like in Israel
before and during WWII.
-Ashley

No little Ashley is not poorly informed. You little Willy are a little
bigot who learns about Jews from the Neo-Nazis. Not the most reliable
source for studying Jewish history.

You take the tiny fraction of the Zionist movement of the time and claim
it's actions for the whole movement. Besides being a racist schmuck, you
seem to think that people are as gullible as you.

I'm going to let you in on a little secret. It was that the Brits were
the ones preventing the European Jews from emigrating to Palestine that
made the faction that Shamir belonged to consider the Brits a worse
enemy of Zionism than the Nazis AT THAT POINT IN TIME. It's not because
Jews were Nazis. Pssst. Jews didn't really like the Nazis.

These Zionists were mainly responsible for evicting the Brits after the
war. No Nazis. No Brits. Just Arabs. Five armies of them and the Local
Arabs A.K.A. Palestinians. They fought. They lost. They're out.

So it goes in the real world. If this bothers you, good. No one gives a
shit. But don't go making up silly stuff. It makes you seem dumb like
Saba, and shallow like Prudy.

Argue you position from the truth like a man.

J2

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Re: [CTRL] Something Rotten In The State Of Israel

2001-08-03 Thread ashley Abraham

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FLW, I wonder, how do the Arabs feel about the Jews? Couldn't they be
considered Nazis as well by these standards?


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 It's not because Jews were Nazis. Pssst.
 Jews didn't really like the Nazis.
  J2

The Nazis are not a people. Nazism tranascends race, religion
and nationality. The modern state of Israel is tracking towards
Nazism (of course it is not the only country doing this). Too many
Israeli's have a Nazi mentality towards the Palestinians - they
consider the Palestinians an inferior people: racially, culturally,
religiously, economically, etc. They have become the Pre WWII
European Slavs according to the German Nazi mindset.

This is the classic mindset of Nationalist Nazis who justify those whose
land they want to steal by dehumanizing them. Too many Israeli's see arab
land as natural expansion territory or in other words lebenstraum. Once
you dehumanize a group, it is much easier to kill them.

How did the Nazis take control in Germany? By convincing the German
people that they were their only salvation...that Germany was besieged
on all sides by enemies out to destroy Germany (of course the Nazis
did everything in their power to provoke social disruption and cause a
self fulfilling prophecy). The Israeli Nazis have done a masterful job in
silencing and cowing the majority in Israeli that is not Nazi minded by
provoking the Palestinians and bringing about their own self fullfilling
prophecy.

As long as Israelis allow the tail to wag the dog by permitting the Settler
Colonialists to dictate policy, the only future for Israel is increasing
militarization and nazification. A national bunker and self destructive
mentality.

It is clear that the current Israeli policy is to commit continuing
atrocities
against the Palestinians and to provoke them into an escalating  terror
bombing (terrorist bombing is bombing by people rather then multi
milliion
dollar helicopters, M-60 tanks, and F16's) campaign against Israel so
Sharon
can justify an invasion of the Palestinian land and commit mass murder
terror against the Palestinian civilian population thereby reducing them
to submissive peonage. Part of Sharon's campaign has already succeeded.
Any Palestinian political force for moderation has been effectively
destroyed
by Sharon's blatant terrorist (aka targeted assassination) attacks against
mainly Palestinian civilians and politicians.

The Israeli Nazi types worse fear is a deal that would disband the
Settler Colonialist outposts in return for an internationally guaranteed
peace treaty. The Mitchell Solution is anathema to the Sharon Gang.

Can Jews be Nazis? Of course. The old Nazis are laughing from their
graves or their wheelchairs in South America...the victims have
become the oppressors.

Imitation is the highest form of flattery.
flw

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Re: [CTRL] LaRouche- Mideast War Alert

2001-08-03 Thread ashley Abraham

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Dear Bill,
 While I do sometimes like to talk out of my arse(such OBSCENE
language), I have YET to teach it to type. Still working on it, though.
And I do have to say that the biggest proof of Lyndon LaDouche being an
anti-semite: YOU keep posting his writings. It doesn't take a rocket
scientist to figure out that YOU have become an anti-semite by your multiple
postings about those evil Jews. You and your buddies on this list keep
repeating that the Jews are Nazis for wanting to get rid of the arabs in
Israel, yet you can't even see that YOU are a Nazi for demonizing Israelis
OVER AND OVER again. I can at least see both sides of the situation over
there, and a need for the Palestinians to have their own homeland, but you
are on a constant kick about those mean Jews with no feelings but hate, and
that is just not the case.
-Ashley

LaDouche:
Can one punish sheep for being sheep? The Israelis have behaved with
monstrous, worse-than-Nazi bestiality. But are not sheep bestial? Are not
the Israelis behaving with the bestiality of terrified sheep, driven to
homicidal psychosis by their won bestial fears? What can be done with such
bestial Israelis, except to transform them from bestial sheep, to take them
out of the kibbutz sheep-pens of psychosis, and employ the method of the
Platonic dialogue to transform them into genuine men and women of reason?

Despite What Israel Has Done Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr., The Campaigner,
March 1978

June 28, 1996
LaRouche's Antisemitic Conspiracism

While often described merely as conservative or extremist, the
LaRouche organization and its various front groups are a fascist
political movement with echoes of neonazi ideology.

The groups ultimate leader, Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr., was jailed
because his fundraisers sold unsecured securities to the elderly and
because LaRouche paid no taxes while living in a Virginia mansion.
LaRouche was sentenced in January, 1989 to fifteen years in prison
after a federal court found LaRouche and six codefendants guilty of a
mail fraud conspiracy related to fundraising. LaRouche was also
convicted of tax evasion. On appeal, the U.S. Supreme Court let the
convictions stand without comment. LaRouche was released in early
1994 after serving over five years of his sentence.

The LaRouchites generally operate under front groups such as Food for
Peace and the Schiller Institute, and publications such as the New
Federalist and Executive Intelligence Review.

In 1976 LaRouche's original electoral arm, the U.S. Labor Party
(USLP), had published a conspiracist attack on President Jimmy Carter
as a tool of international secret elites. Liberty Lobby had
criticized the report for failing to mention the role of Jewish
bankers, and soon LaRouche publications picked up the theme. Former
staffers at the Liberty Lobby and the Lyndon LaRouche group claim
both outfits soon began to cooperate closely on projects.

Spotlight later publicly distanced itself and Liberty Lobby from the
LaRouchites over the issue of their questionable and illegal
fundraising activities, but the groups share many similarities. They
both see the world as controlled by secret elites involving a
disproportionate array of banking families with Jewish-sounding
names. Both claim Israeli intelligence and British intelligence
polluted the CIA and U.S. foreign policy. Both depend heavily on the
intellectual ideas of Spengler. Both promote producerism and divide
capitalist control into productive industrialists and parasitic
financiers. Many of LaRouche's ideas are lifted from Carto and
earlier proponents of the antisemitic Judeo-Masonic-British
conspiracist theory. The Liberty Library, a distribution arm of the
Lobby, continued carrying LaRouchite publication into the mid 1990's.

The LaRouchite fixation on groups such as the Club of Rome may seem
idiosyncratic, but in many cases they are repackaging earlier
rightist conspiracy theories. In 1974, for example, the American
Mercury, ran an article The Curious Club of Rome, that asked archly
if the ecology and population control group was merely a bunch of
boring pedants and doom-sayers, or is it a sinister cabal aiming for
world control?

The Babylonian Rabbi Pagan Cult

In the LaRouchite worldview, the oligarchic families of Great Britain
are the font of all world evil. Over the years LaRouchite literature
has maintained that political leadership in Great Britain is really
controlled by banking families, especially Jewish banking families
such as the Rothschilds, a standard antisemitic. While Jewish members
of the LaRouche organization claim their mere presence is evidence
that the organization cannot be antisemitic, this argument has not
intellectual validity and falls in the face of substantial evidence
that while coded, LaRouche philosophy is based on an antiemitic
conspiracist theory.

The antisemitism of the LaRouchite organization is often well-hidden
through convoluted conspiracist theories and obscure terminology, but

Re: [CTRL] LaRouche- Mideast War Alert

2001-08-02 Thread ashley Abraham

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Billyboy, I guess the Democratic Party feels superior to their dogs too!
If even the Democrats can figure LaRouche out...OUCH!!!
BTW- Are we to understand that you feel inferior to your dog? Makes sense to
me. More power to you!
-Ashley



Democrats don't welcome LaRouche

06/11/2000

New York Times News Service

Like Rodney Dangerfield, Lyndon LaRouche says he don't get no respect.

Or delegates to the Democratic National Convention.

Mr. LaRouche, a frequent third-party candidate, is running for president
again, this time as a Democrat, promising to save the nation from an
economic and social implosion.

But the Democratic Party says he is a convicted felon (mail fraud involving
fund raising) with political beliefs that are explicitly racist and
anti-Semitic.

Still, Mr. LaRouche continues to campaign, and, in states where election
officials permit his name on the ballot, he draws some votes.

In last month's Democratic primary in Arkansas, he got more than 53,000
votes, or 22 percent of the total cast.

So does Mr. LaRouche get to go to the convention with 22 percent of
Arkansas' 48 convention delegates? Or with delegates from other states?

No way, said the Democratic National Committee. Officials say he will be
barred, and courts have ruled several times that such exclusion is legal.

Mr. LaRouche denies he is a racist or an anti-Semite. His big vote in
Arkansas, he said, proved his viability as a candidate. In Arkansas, he
said, reality struck.



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Please cite sources.

Otherwise it's only the opinion of a person who feels superior to their
dog.

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Re: [CTRL] Something Rotten In The State Of Israel

2001-08-02 Thread ashley Abraham

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Oh Prudy, did you suffer from WWII as well? You have a crappy attitude. I
hardly think that the Jews feel like they were the only ones to suffer. They
were there, remember? They saw others being tortured and dehumanized by your
heroes, the nazis. Why do you thrive on making less of it than it really
was? Could be you're still mad that the Allies took your S.S. whip from you.
-Ashley

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In a message dated 07/31/2001 6:37:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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 Only followed
  orders sounds awful to people with a memory. The Danes, it seems,
remember.
 

Just sounds like the Israeli anthem--Only WE suffered during World War
II.
Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] LaRouche- Mideast War Alert

2001-08-02 Thread ashley Abraham

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UGH!!! You are such an ignoramus! The bloodline comes from the mother, in
Jewish tradition, ergo Ishmael and all arabs are Hamites. Hagar was an
Egyptian, Einstein. Your trailer trash is showing.

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Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 14:00:14 -0400

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Bill,

Does this mean LaRouche is anti Arab and anti Jewish?

This anti-semite crap has gone far enough;  European Jews are anti
semite.

By the way a friend of my sister gave over $250,000 to LaRouch over the
years for she liked him so much.   Her husband was anti communist,
former Captain over Andrews Air Force Base (was Navy), and further -
they always remembered the USS Liberty and wil Never forget as many
others have not.

This does not make them anti-semites it makes them anti
Israelitessome of whom are semites and some of whom are not - all
arabs are semites are they not?

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Re: [CTRL] Something Rotten In The State Of Israel

2001-08-02 Thread ashley Abraham

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So what Ev? One bad apple ruins the whole barrel? If that is so, God help
America. From what I've seen of Americans on this list, we deserve to be put
out of our self-agrandizing misery. Thank God this is not how the whole of
this country thinks. The true Zionists in Israel during WWII were busy
fighting off the arabs who were armed by the Nazis, not off consorting with
Hitler. Only liars believe lies.


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Taken from an earlier article on this list:

The equation of Zionism with the Holocaust, though, is based on a false
presumption. Far from being a haven for all Jews, Israel is founded by
Zionist Jews who helped the Nazis fill the gas chambers and stoke the ovens
of the death camps. Israel would not be possible today if the World Zionist
Congress and other Zionist agencies hadn't formed common cause with
Hitler's
exterminators to rid Europe of Jews.

In exchange for helping round up non-Zionist Jews, sabotage Jewish
resistance
movements, and betray the trust of Jews, Zionists secured for themselves
safe
passage to Palestine. This arrangement was formalized in a number of
emigration agreements signed in 1938. The most notorious case of Zionist
collusion concerned Dr. Rudolph Kastner Chairman of the Zionist
Organization
in Hungary from 1943-45. To secure the safe passage of 600 Zionists to
Palestine, he helped the Nazis send 800,000 Hungarian Jews to their deaths.
The Israeli Supreme Court officially whitewashed Kastner's crimes because
to
admit them would have denied Israel the moral right to exist.


At 01:48 AM 8/2/2001 -0700, you wrote:
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Oh Prudy, did you suffer from WWII as well? You have a crappy attitude.
I
hardly think that the Jews feel like they were the only ones to suffer.
They
were there, remember? They saw others being tortured and dehumanized by
your
heroes, the nazis. Why do you thrive on making less of it than it really
was? Could be you're still mad that the Allies took your S.S. whip from
you.
-Ashley

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In a message dated 07/31/2001 6:37:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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 Only followed
  orders sounds awful to people with a memory. The Danes, it seems,
remember.
 

Just sounds like the Israeli anthem--Only WE suffered during World War
II.
Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] Something Rotten In The State Of Israel

2001-08-02 Thread ashley Abraham

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Hey, I'm sure that after being on this list, you are thankful of that, eh?
What a pretty picture we make. I hope that you are embarrassed for us. O'er
the land of the FREE, and the home of the hate groups.
Yeeehaw, I'm so proud of all of you. Let's just bomb the shit out of those
insane Jews for thinking they should have freedom in their OWN COUNTRY!
EGAD!!!

I agree. But then, I'm not an American. :-)



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Re: [CTRL] Myths of a Palestinian Homeland j2

2001-07-31 Thread ashley Abraham

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You must be kidding, Joshua.
Why read real historical accounts or true facts when you can just make it up
for yourself? The truth can be whatever you want it to be if you only
subscribe to this way of thinking. And I say the sky is green. I dare you to
prove me wrong! Huh, you say it's blue? I knew it! You must be a spy for the
COTSA! I know it's really YOU Adam!
Are you people researchers or clowns like Saba? You could easily find out
if Farrah is telling the truth or not. All you need to do is find histories
of the region that predate WWII. That way you won't get either side's
propaganda.

This isn't he said, she said people. The truth is out there.

J2

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Re: [CTRL] Cleaning for the Redeemer

2001-07-31 Thread ashley Abraham

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Saba, I would think that as one who claims to understand the scriptures, you
could figure out what this simple story of growth means. It is obvious that
you only use the Bible to prove your pathetic theories instead of ever
gaining knowledge from it. Your stategy is sadly obvious: If someone knows
more than you(i.e.EVERYONE), call them names. Typical racist bullsh*t. You
have not one ounce of grace in you. It is clear to me, as a newcomer to this
list, that nobody takes you seriously except yourself(or should I say
selves). I hope you find the truth someday before it bites you in the ass.
-Ashley


As for Joshua, his truth is his own truth; to be he is the biggest liar
since Jonah said he was swallowed by a big white whale.

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Re: [CTRL] LaRouche- Mideast War Alert

2001-07-31 Thread ashley Abraham

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Hey William,
Why is it that you keep posting crap from or about Lyndon LaRouche? Are you
a Neo-Nazi? He's a total freak and I can't imagine any sane person giving
him his/her attention.
Ashley


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A
HREF=http://www.larouchepub.com/pr/2001/010727war_alert.html;http://www.larouchepub.com/pr/2001/010727war_alert.html/A



PRESS RELEASE

Mideast War Alert
On July 28-29 Weekend

This statement was issued by EIR on July 27, 2001.

Lyndon LaRouche has issued a blunt warning that Ariel Sharon and even more
hardline warhawks in Israel may launch their long-planned military assault
against the Palestinian Authority as early as Sunday, July 29. Events in
the
Middle East conform to the desires of a faction of the Anglo-American
financial oligarchy, who wish to detonate a Mideast-triggered religious
clash of civilizations in the near term, to block any further momentum
toward a Eurasian development alliance that could strip them of their
power.

Sources in the Middle East cited three developments this week that could
signal that Israel is preparing to launch a full-scale assault into the
Palestinian Authority territories, aimed at driving a majority of the
population into Jordan, exterminating the Yasser Arafat leadership group,
and
permanently annexing the territory of Judea, Samaria, and Galilee.

1-Early this week, Israeli Defense Force Chief of Staff General Mofaz made
a
five-hour trip to Turkey, possibly to pre-alert the Turkish military to a
planned operation into the PA territory. Turkey has been conducting secret
back-channel negotiations between the Israelis and the Palestinians, and,
according to one account, General Mofaz may have asked the Turks to halt
their efforts. Turkey is planning to purchase Israeli-made Arrow
anti-missile
batteries, and Israel would not wish to jeopardize that sale by keeping the
Turkish military in the dark, were they to plan a major military operation
against the Palestinians.


2-The United States has escalated its pressure on Israel to accept an
observer force. President Bush came under strong pressure from Russia and
from the European Union at last weekend's G-8 summit in Genoa, to support
the
deployment of international observers, and the Administration has, since
then, reportedly been pushing the Sharon government to acquiesce to the
demand, that was included in the G-8 final communiques.


3-Foreign Minister Shimon Peres, on July 26, made statements that were
published in Ha'aretz and in the Jerusalem Post, warning that one more
suicide bomb would seal the fate of the Palestinian Authority. This
statement is being interpreted as a possible warning, that the Israeli
secret
services could, themselves, trigger such an attack, in order to provide the
pretext for the long-planned invasion of Area A. The source was unsure of
whether Peres was, himself, signalling that he was now prepared to accept
the
inevitability of a military solution to the stalemate.

LaRouche commented on Friday that nothing is in the works to prevent an
early launching of an Israeli military assault on the Palestinian
territories, and, that, taking into account the character of the people we
are dealing with, this weekend represents a particular danger point.
LaRouche reiterated his statements on his A
HREF=http://www.larouchepub.com/pr_lar/2001/010724_webcast.html;July 24,
2001 LaRouche in 2004
campaign webcast, that /Aonly an intervention from the U.S. could
convince the
parties behind this planned war offensive to call it off.




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Re: [CTRL] LaRouche- Mideast War Alert

2001-07-31 Thread ashley Abraham

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Hold on there, Dale. Larouche is a self-proclaimed anti-semite. Calling him
a neo-nazi is no huge leap of the imagination. You call my opinions
convenient labels, But they are just that: my opinions. You seem to have
no trouble expressing your own(religious fanaticism is Bad, it's Bad.), so
don't get too self-righteous if I do the same. My dog is stupid, she comes
in from outside and shits on the floor. She really is stupid, convenient
label or not. Some things deserve a label and I believe that LaRouche is
indeed a FREAK! And Mary, go ahead and reread the article again and again;
memorize it for all I care. It still won't be anything but garbage.

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  Hey William,
  Why is it that you keep posting crap from or about Lyndon
  LaRouche? Are you
  a Neo-Nazi? He's a total freak and I can't imagine any sane
  person giving
  him his/her attention.
  Ashley
 
Ashley,

There may be a lot of things you can't imagine; none of them require your
belief to exist, however.

Neo-Nazi and freak are convenient labels; however, as I have said many
times on this list, when labeling begins, thinking stops.

LaRouche is a political radical and may be a bit over-fearful. Then again
he
may just know more than the rest of us. Even a small amount of balanced
research shows that whether you agree with LaRouche or not his economic
models and mathematical background go far beyond the average individual.

The main difference between LaRouche and others is his fanaticism is more
political and economic and less religious. I guess I prefer any type of
fanaticism other than religious.

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Re: [CTRL] No Place for Non-Jews in Israel

2001-07-28 Thread ashley Abraham

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Very interesting stuff there. Now I have to wonder, how do the arabs feel
about Jews? Do they have such humane answers to their questions on what they
would like to do with the Jews in Israel? I'm pretty sure that their answer
is to kill them all. At least, that's what they teach in their schools. Oh
those nasty, mean Jews! How could they be so cruel as to suggest giving
incentives to get their enemies to leave their country? I was just
thinking the other day: Those horrible Jews in Nazi Germany used to wish
that they could just get rid of those nice, sweet Nazis. Those Jews should
have been anhilated, don't you think? Wake up to the truth of what is really
going on. This is the most idiotic thing I've ever read!

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Zionist law -maker urges government to encourage emigration  of Arabs

Occupied Jerusalem: 26 July, 2001 (IAP News) - A member of the Israeli
parliament, the Knesset, has urged the Israeli government to facilitate
the emigration of Arabs from Israel.

The law-maker, named  Michael kleiner who heads a racist parliamentary bloc
known as Zu Artzino or this is our land, reportedly tabled a motion to
the Knesset on Wednesday  suggesting that non-Jews be offered inducements
to leave the land.

According to one Arab Knesset member, Kleiner reportedly said that this
(Israel) is a Jewish state, and there is no permanent place for non-Jews in
this land.

Arab Knesset members castigated the table, calling it purely racist.

If any law maker around the world made such a disgraceful and cheap
suggestion, he would branded as a Nazi and racist…but here, in the
so-called only democracy in the Middle East,  racists such as Kleiner are
granted a free reign to exude their venom, said Muhammed Baraka.

Jewish racism has been on the rise in the last few years, partially due to
growing religious and right-wing trends in the Zionist state.

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Re: [CTRL] Quiet Assassination Victim Buried

2001-07-28 Thread ashley Abraham

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Aleisha, It is very obvious to me now that you do indeed have your own
religion. Do you honestly think that arabs have never murdered innocent
Jews? Where have you been? While I don't think children should be killed
ever, there is a lot more to this than a few biased news stories. This
problem goes back a lot farther than today's news. I assumed that you were
an educated person, but this is just so much bullsh*t. If you can't
understand it from both sides, you don't understand anything. Ashley

So this garbage - and they call this religion?   I have my own religion
- treat them as they do you,  only don't leave fingerprints.


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Re: [CTRL] MHLL: Darryl Condit's attorney

2001-07-28 Thread ashley Abraham

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Ouch! Sounds like someone's dad is a NASCAR fan! A word of advice: See a
therapist!

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Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 23:08:14 EDT

One of them there accidents...kinda like letting that dead race car
driver's
kid win...what's his name???

Like who gives a rats arse anywayif you know his name and CARE I can
only
say that I-

A-Don't like you.


B-Certainly don't think you ought to be around live ammo.


C- Betcha' think the ACLJ is da bomb, and also the antidote to the ACLU.

D- I'm sure you prefer monikkers like Bud, Junior or Spanky, to your
given names...

E- (C'mon now...that ain't no grade!!)

F- Like yer' report cards...

G- Well we awl' no' that staynzzz fer' gawd!

H- Haal 'have't we gibben'  'dis poindy' hayded'
laberal' ayenuff' ayre-thyme???

I- I don't thaynk sooo there Goober!!!

J- Well J is fer' jackin' off...like you prefer...(and really who could
blame you with a wife like THAT...eccch!!)

Would prefer the ol' belt sander ifin' I were yw!

Okie, again, this ONLY pertains to fans of that dead dickwipe that seems to
be Christ on the track..yeah, you
guysloosers!!

Everyone else, I love ya'.

This odd deification (and no fellers, that's NOT defecation so hold it in
there) is sickening, likely totally off-topic, and simply the manifestation
of my rage at losing my MP3 feed of the legendary Uriah Heep tune THE
MAGICIAN'S BIRTHDAYso  foookin' sue ME now


A...that familiar Johnny Walker BLACKa

Pacification has been reached...hope I haven't offended
anyone.LOL! NOT!!!


Bill.


BTW, Earnhardt...belch...TOTAL ass--le and total loser..all I can say
at this time..all I wanna' say is BUGGER OFF DIC***PE!!!

The collective IQ of the planet   has just been raised, and for that we all
grant you a big thank-ee!





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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Bible Gateway Song of Solomon 3 :: NIV

2001-07-28 Thread ashley Abraham

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Uh, what?
I understand that the Song of Solomom is heavily encrypted, but do you
really believe that it is about some here-today-gone-tomorrow news-bite?
That is the epitome of goofiness. I suggest that you go back to your studies
and figure out what this really means. It certainly is NOT about Gary Condit
or any other inconsequential person on this earth.
-Ashley

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Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 11:09:17 -0400


So did a Watchman on the Wall take Chandra on a long ride - this secret
masonic stuff is something else -

For your thoughts - but look out for the thorns.  Somehow Roses and
Garbage Dumpsters to me, do not mix.


Song of Solomon 3 :: New International Version (NIV)
Song of Solomon 3
The Rose of Sharon and the Lily in the Valley

1
All night long on my bed I looked for the one my heart loves; I looked
for him but did not find him.
2
I will get up now and go about the city, through its streets and
squares; I will search for the one my heart loves. So I looked for him
but did not find him.  [Maybe one of Condit's watchmen and story ended
here?   Saba Note]
3
The watchmen found me as they made their rounds in the city. Have you
seen the one my heart loves?
4
Scarcely had I passed them when I found the one my heart loves. I held
him and would not let him go till I had brought him to my mother's
house, to the room of the one who conceived me.
5
Daughters of Jerusalem, I charge you by the gazelles and by the does of
the field: Do not arouse or awaken love until it so desires.
6
Who is this coming up from the desert like a column of smoke, perfumed
with myrrh and incense made from all the spices of the merchant?  [Hark,
it is Gary Condit - but his wife too has picked up the scent - Saba
Note]
7
Look! It is Solomon's carriage, escorted by sixty warriors, the noblest
of Israel,
8
all of them wearing the sword, all experienced in battle, each with his
sword at his side, prepared for the terrors of the night.
9
King Solomon made for himself the carriage; he made it of wood from
Lebanon.
10
Its posts he made of silver, its base of gold. Its seat was upholstered
with purple, its interior lovingly inlaid by[1] the daughters of
Jerusalem.
11

Come out, you daughters of Zion, and look at King Solomon wearing the
crown, the crown with which his mother crowned him on the day of his
wedding, the day his heart rejoiced.

[10] Or its inlaid interior a gift of love from
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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: HOTT - OKC Bombing: The Plot Thickens and William Cooper

2001-07-25 Thread ashley Abraham

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Aleisha, I thought his name was Milton William Cooper. What does the C
stand for? Ashley


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Cooper seems to be many different people and I am wondering if there is
another Cooper who works in much the same manner.   Do not believe this
man was ever really Naval Intelligence ..loose lips sink ships and
all that.

Anyway you are welcome Ashley; however, this man seems to be involved in
something related to the work of a lot of different people - so will the
real Willicam C Cooper stand up?

Saba

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Re: [CTRL] [A lot of Great stuff!] Weeks TV Listings (Monday, July 23 - Sunday, July 29)

2001-07-24 Thread ashley Abraham

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Kris, I thought that was very interesting. Especially since a few years ago
I came up with the word fox in another way when looking for the meaning of
666. In the Hebrew, letters also stand as numbers. Their values go from 1 to
10, then by tens up to 100, then by hundreds. I applied the same formula to
the English alphabet and came up with fox.
f=6
o=60
x=600
Strange... Ashley
a=1
b=2
c=3
d=4
e=5
f=6
g=7
h=8
i-9
j=10
k=20
l=30
m=40
n=50
o=60
p=70
q=80
r=90
s=100
t=200
u=300
v=400
w=500
x=600
y=700
z=800

From: Kris Millegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: [CTRL] [A lot of Great stuff!] Weeks TV Listings (Monday,
 July 23 - Sunday, July 29)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 12:02:58 EDT

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In a message dated 7/23/01 8:15:53 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 -Caveat Lector-
 
 Disney is going to buy out Fox Family so there goes Fox..
 
 The people are losing their voice already and their views are being
 censored - now guess, who is really behind this move?
 
 Saba
 

FWIW

FOX =666
F=6
O=15=1+5=6
X=24=2+4=6



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Re: [CTRL] Gary Condit's Wurlitzer

2001-07-24 Thread ashley Abraham

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We shall all be judged. Some of us sooner rather than later.

From: Aleisha Saba [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: [CTRL] Gary Condit's Wurlitzer
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 03:39:56 -0400

Song of Praise by Condit political hack - now here is an item and here
we go again about this handsome Gary Condit - the little twerp - such
self praise is suspect.

It does however answer one question in particular and this piece of self
praise written by Gary in part, states that Gary from his campaign
funds, spent over $9,000 that year in camaign money for GIFTS and
flowers; it was then, I wondered is from where Condit took the money to
buy Chandra Levy the $2,500 golden bracelet?For a man who is alleged
to have taken a vow of poverty this one some expensive gift; in my day,
girls did not take such gifts from men, in particular - married men?

Be interesting to look at a few receipts here; in particular it is noted
the the watch he received as a gift from another woman, which he got
caught dumping which was traced - and I wonder, how much the lady had
paid for this watch and surely, it would not have been a TIMEX or a toss
away watch.

This item tells of Gary Condits love of his motorcycle and friends
associated with same?
It is a very revealing article if one  goes over it and the man who
wrote the article - well one wonders but a lot of newsmen, like this
Chris Mathews who was so in love with Gore, was former newsman
associated with writing beautiful pieces of prose for the democrats -
maybe this guy wanted to be on the Press Agent's list for it is obvious
- well they keep calling this Condit HANDSOME - when he is such a little
twerp, and body building sue hasn't done much for his build - and he is
old looking for his age - he must have led a very rough life.

Saba

A solid gold bracelet for which he paid $2,000 - now if you note in this
article how clever to make mention of gifts from his campaign funds -
for he hs nothing to hide here?

Note he seems to be a little short in recording modest expenditures
claiming money does not get one elected  to office- as for Chandra, with
the $2,500 gift he bought her, and including  the $10,000 for her return
- my what a generous man and I doubt the latter amount will the latter
amount  ever be paid out.

Current Floor Proceedings
Visiting Washington, DC
-(this item was reproduced on Condit Web Site for his own personal gain)

To Valley Folks, He's Just Gary
By J.N. Sbranti
Bee Staff Writer
(Published:  Modesto Bee, Saturday, July 18, 1998)
  A while back, a poll asked Stanislaus and
Merced county voters what they call their congressman.
  The overwhelming answer: Gary.
  No title. No formality. Just say Gary, and
voters think Condit. They vote Condit, too. Over and over, they elected
him by staggering margins.
  In 26 years, during his rise from Ceres city
councilman to Stanislaus County supervisor to California assemblyman to
U.S. congressman, he's never lost a race.
  He'll win in November, too. No one is on the
ballot against him.
  Calling the 18th Congressional District
Condit Country is more than a campaign slogan. It's reality.
  Most people here get me. They understand
I'm trying to do a good job, trying to be constructive and trying to be
a good person, Condit says while weaving through a festival crowd in
Patterson.
  Hey, Gary! shouts a guy across the street.
I voted for you.
  Thank you. I appreciate that, Condit yells
back with a wave.
  Condit can't walk far without someone
approaching him with a grin and an out-stretched hand.
  How you doin'? is Condit's standard
greeting, accompanied by a handshake, a squeeze around the shoulders or
a kiss on the cheek.
He personalizes his conversations - How the kids doing? You're
looking good, I like that hat -- enough to convince constituents he
remembers them.
Gary has worked very hard at cultivating the informal I'm-your-neighbor
image, observes Steve Hughes, chairman of the politiat California State
University, Stanislaus. It's paid off. People feel comfortable with
him.
Condit, a handsome man who smiles often, says his rapport with people
evolved over his years in the public eye.
  I've always been open and friendly, and
basically people have been really good to me, says Condit. He admits
his memory isn't perfect, and he loves name tags. Mostly I just
listen.
  He listens. He remembers. And he votes the
way valley folks want. Condit prides himself on putting his
constituents' center-of-the-road interests far above party politics or
self-promotion.
Down to earth
  Gary's really down to earth. He's not
pretentious. Not arrogant, says Mike Lynch, his longtime chief of
staff. He hasn't fallen to the seductions of political power.
   Case in point: Condit's home number in
Ceres is listed in the phone book. Call it 

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: HOTT - OKC Bombing: The Plot Thickens and William Cooper

2001-07-23 Thread ashley Abraham

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Aleisha, thank you for the info. My interest in Cooper is actually personal.
I know someone very close to him and after listening to that person I became
curious as to who he really is. He seems to know his stuff, but others like
to discredit him. Thanks, Ashley


From: Aleisha Saba [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: [CTRL] Fwd: HOTT - OKC Bombing: The Plot Thickens  and William
  Cooper
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 11:48:45 -0400

So this Trojan Horse is full of members planted by ADL, Ashley - this is
the information you wanted.   And believe me they have their litle spies
everywhere - pigs all at trough.

William Cooper has a good story here and points out this Mike
Vanderboegh, is an alleged FBI Informan, and pig for the ADL.

Keep in mind - it was the Anti Defamation League who put Christians,
Moslems, and Militias on Hit Hate List - rather acted as hit men for FBI
in massive search for the enemy within when the enemy within was in the
FBI - remember the  KGB agent now facing trial, and remember all those
diamonds they paid this traitor who went to church with Freeh and sat in
same confession booth - think those bastards are really Catholic - like
this killer Japanese Hit man who murdered at Ruby Ridge the mother of a
little 8th grader and murdered his little dog to draw out the mother -
where this bastard then shot off her face - an all because this sinister
Anti Defamation League put these people on hate hit lists?

Militias?   Hey get on list and look up all the plants watching and
spying for the FBI and then consider the KGB has virtually been running
the anti terrorists terror campaigns.

So Bit Red Mike Vanderboegh earned his name and this is no doubt why he
is called Big Red.

Hope you enjoy this Ashley - are you a Trojan Horse or one of its
marxist ococupants?

Saba


Oklahoma City Bombing
The Plot Thickens

By William Cooper All Rights Reserved
We are NOT racist, white supremacist, Zionist, British Israel, Christian
Identity, or anti-Semitic.

We refute all racist and/or superior race philosophies. We believe that
such beliefs are a plague upon the human race. We are loyal Americans
interested in the truth. We believe in Liberty and Freedom for all
People regardless of race, religion, or place of ancestral origin.

First the reader must know that the federal takedown of the organization
known as the Covenant Sword and Arm of the the Lord occurred on April
19, 1985. The assault on the Weaver family occurred over the same date
and would have ended on April 19 except that 2 reporters stumbled upon
the feds attempt to hoist a fuel bladder by helicopter which they had
intended to drop on the Weaver cabin and ignite burning alive all
inside. The final assault upon the Branch Davidians occurred on April
19, 1993. The bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building also
occurred on April 19th. If you believe that all these events happening
on the exact same date to be coincidence you need a brain surgeon.

Another very curious fact is that David Koresh and Timothy McVeigh were
both 33 years old at the time of their deaths. I have no idea what that
might mean but it is very curious indeed.

Our investigation of the Oklahoma City bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah
Federal

Building has uncovered the following:
John Doe #1 is Timothy McVeigh.
John Doe #2 is Michael Brescia, an army buddy of Timothy McVeigh. Until
recently he was in federal custody. The federal government has protected
and hidden the identity of this criminal because he is an informant for
the at least one agency of the United States government. He is not a
Nazi, white Supremacist, anti-Semite, or racist. When we asked the FBI
to provide us with a photo of Michael Brescia for positive
identification they refused. We obtained photos from Patriot law
enforcement personnel within our organization. We positively identified
Michael Brescia as John Doe #2 from those photos.
John Doe #3 has been positively identified as Andreas Strassmier, a West
German Intelligence operative. He is not a Nazi, white supremacist,
anti-Semite, or racist. Sources in Germany claim Strassmier is Jewish.
This information has been confirmed by two additional independent German
sources.
John Doe #4 has been positively identified by the Intelligence Service
as Gary Hunt. He has never been questioned by any law enforcement
agency. Gary Hunt was also involved with the Waco Massacre in 1993. Gary
Hunt is an informant for the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms
(BATF). Gary Hunt masquerades as an American Patriot. The ethnic and
religious background of Gary Hunt is not known at this time.
John Doe #5 has been positively identified by the Intelligence Service
as Daniel Spiegelman (a.k.a. William Taylor), a fund raiser for the
Oklahoma City bombing operation. He was arrested and imprisoned in the
Netherlands when he attempted to sell historic documents that were
stolen from 

[CTRL] William Cooper

2001-07-21 Thread ashley Abraham

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Hello everyone,
 I am new to this group and would like to know if anyone has any good
information about William Cooper. I've read his stuff but would like to know
more about the man. Can anyone help? Thanks, Ashley

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Re: [CTRL] Israeli Terrorism New Terror In West Bank

2001-07-21 Thread ashley Abraham

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Dear William,
 I found this article very upsetting. What is your opinion on what to do
about this on-going problem? Is there a good guy here? Should we get in the
middle of this? Interested, Ashley


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Subject: [CTRL] Israeli Terrorism New Terror In West Bank
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 00:19:26 EDT

A
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Vigilante killings bring new terror to West Bank
By Alan Philps in Idna
(Filed: 21/07/2001)

JUST when it seemed things could not get worse between the Israelis and the
Palestinians, a dangerous new ingredient has been added to the mix: Jewish
terrorism.

Hundreds of Palestinian mourners travelled to the village of Idna, a
previously quiet spot on the West Bank, yesterday to bury three members of
the Tmaizeh family shot when a suspected Jewish terror cell fired on their
mini van.

There was no suggestion that the van was shot at for any reason other than
to
kill as many Palestinians as possible in one ambush.

The Tmaizeh clan had good relations with the neighbouring Jewish settlement
and Idna was almost untouched by 10 months of intifada. There is no
militant
graffiti, no portraits of gun-carrying martyrs.

That has changed. Yesterday the village was plastered with pictures of Diya
Tmaizeh, two months, spattered with blood and still wearing his disposable
nappy, the only child of a mother who had waited 10 years for a family.

The caption read: A new page in the crimes of Ariel Sharon [the Israeli
Prime Minister] against the children of Palestine.

Two relatives were killed: Mohammed Saleh Tmaizeh, 22, and Mohammed Hilmi
Tmaizeh, 21, who was married last month. His wife, May, lost a leg, one of
four girls and young women severely injured.

The Israeli government denounced the killing and promised to find the
vigilante gang. The Foreign Minister, Shimon Peres, said the crime was
abominable.

The Settlers' Council, representing the 200,000 Jewish settlers in the West
Bank and Gaza Strip, said: If it turns out that this loathsome act was
committed by an Israeli, we condemn him with all severity.

But hardline settlers warned of vengeance. Palestinian gunmen have killed
more than 30 settlers and they feel that they are sitting ducks, deprived
of the protection which the army ought to provide.

At the funeral service, young Palestinian militants called for the road
used
by the settlers to be set on fire with stones, bullets and bombs.

The imam of the mosque in Idna echoed calls for revenge and martyrdom. The
killers of prophets will have no presence in our land, he said, meaning
the
Israelis. Those who wish for a place in Paradise should look to
Jerusalem.

Violence by settlers is nothing new, but until last month it was restricted
mostly to hot-headed acts of vandalism, such as burning cars, houses and
crops. The triple murder on Thursday night was clearly a random act of
terrorism.

Abdel-Hadi Tmaizeh, 56, whose house looks on to the main road, said the
mini
van arrived at the junction at 9.30pm carrying seven members of the family
home from a wedding feast. A white car was parked in the centre of the main
road, making as if to turn towards the village.

The driver signalled to the van to go ahead and it turned in front of the
car. Then two men each emptied a full magazine into the back of the van and
sped to safety through an Israeli army checkpoint less than a mile away.

Abdel-Hadi Tmaizeh said: An Israeli army jeep arrived on the scene at the
same time as we did. But the officer was in no hurry to radio to the
checkpoint to stop the criminals.

Concern over settler vigilante groups has been rising. The security
services
have announced that one Jewish terrorist cell is operating near the
Palestinian town of Halhoul, a short distance to the east of Idna.

Abbas Zaki, the senior Palestinian representative at the funeral, said: If
the Israelis are going to destroy us, they will destroy themselves too.
Both
sides will lose and only the fanatics will win. He added darkly: We have
more fanatics than they do.

At the Jewish settlement of Adoura, where 20 families live in red-roofed
houses across the valley from the 18,000 Palestinians in Idna, there was
consternation.

Aryeh Shanki, who works for a construction firm said: I know the Tmaizehs
and they are all good people. There has not been any violence at all around
here. Someone from outside just ruined our life and sped off. I want our
life
to stay the same, but I fear it will only get worse.

The problem for the Israeli army is that the conflict now seems to be
between
uncontrolled fanatics on both sides, casting it in the mould of Lebanon or
Bosnia, with the Israelis losing moral authority.

Re: [CTRL] Global warming?

2001-07-21 Thread ashley Abraham

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Lassie, I would have to argue that NO-one knows everything about science.
How can you have that much faith in someone you know only by opinions posted
on the web? Do your own research and respond from your own understanding,
not someone else's. Ashley

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Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 21:52:36 -0400

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STOP arguing with Steve! He knows EVERYTHING about science.


On Sat, 21 Jul 2001 14:57:29 -0700 Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
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  On 21 Jul 01, at 16:08, William Bacon quoted:
 
   This web site has actual temperature measurements from dozens of
  worldwide
   sites and much other data demonstrating that global warming is
  just a
   fraud. This site draws the wrath of the liberals because it
  demonstrates
   that they are just using junk science to propagate lies.
 
  It is interesting that the chart you claim justifies your view does
  just the
  opposite and is often used by scientists to show that Global Warming
  is
  occuring. This site is junk science at its worst.
 
  This is yet another example of the ridiculous crap the
  conservatives, taking
  their cue from their heros in the oil industry, continue to post to
  try to justify
  your extreme political views. What a farce!
 
  Steve
 
 
 
 
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