[CTRL] Please update your antivirus

2003-08-28 Thread cybervoyager
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UPDATE YOUR ANTIVIRUS DEFINITIONS PLEASE!

I just got a sobig worm virus as an attachment from somebody on this
list.. which I do not appreciate.. it could very well be innocent as the
person sending the mail to this list does not know their computer files are
infected with a virus. The email basically just said .. thank you.. and the
attachment was in the SCR screensaver file extension. These recent viruses
work in such a way that they will send out virus infected attachments with
outgoing email without the computer owners knowledge.. these are pretty
sophisticated worm viruses.. so please MAKE SURE YOU DO A VIRUS SCAN ..
I DO NOT APPRECIATE GETTING VIRUS ATTACHMENTS IN THIS MAILING LIST!!! GET
THE MESSEGE

If you do not use any type of antivirus software and you are on this list,
well you better get some fast.. as there are a hell of a lot of worm viruses
that are floating around the internet right now.. I have gotten 4 sent to me
in email as attachments the last two weeks alone.. which has never happened
to me before. Fortunately I have excellent virus detection in my outlook
express so nothing gets into my system without being scanned.

If you do not have any antivirus software installed.. go to www.grisoft.com
and download and install the free version there.. that is what I use.. AVG
by grisoft and I find it works better than nortons even.. it will pick up
viruses nortons does not even find.. it has heuristic.. which means it scans
in the background without activiting it.. so it will pick up even viruses
that come through html in the browser.. plus the updates are very punctual
and comprehensive.


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[CTRL] The Rockefeller links of Canadian politicians...

2003-08-16 Thread cybervoyager
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old report, but interesting ...

http://www.think-aboutit.com/Conspiracy/rockefeller_links_of_canadian_po.htm


The Rockefeller links of Canadian 
politicians...

It may re-pay the reader to spend a few minutes tracing the connections of Paul 
Desmarais and Power Corp. to the leading politicians, etc. of Canada: 


  JOHN RAE: leading strategist for Prime Minister 
  Chretien's election campaign. Was Executive Vice- President of Power Corp. and 
  Paul Desmarais' right- hand man. His brother is 
  
  BOB RAE: Rhodes Scholar and ex-NDP [Socialist] 
  Premier of Ontario, who appointed 
  
  MAURICE STRONG to the chairmanship of Ontario 
  Hydro, which he proceeded to dramatically cut in both skilled human resources 
  and generating capacity [to provide a future need for power from James 
  Bay/Grand Canal?] 
  
  PAUL MARTIN: current federal Finance Minister. 
  Rose through the ranks at Power Corp., mentored by Paul Desmarais. Bought 
  Canada Steamship Lines from him. Ran against Chretien for Liberal Party 
  leadership. He attended the 1996 meeting of the Bilderberg Group, where 
  those he mingled with included - surprise! - David Rockefeller. 
  
  JEAN CHRETIEN: Prime Minister. Daughter, France, 
  is married to Andre Desmarais, son of Paul Desmarais, chairman of Power 
  Corporation. Chretien's "advisor, counsellor and strategist" for the past 30 
  years has been MITCHELL SHARP, who brought Chretien into politics when he was 
  Finance Minister. Sharp has been, since 1981, Vice-Chairman for North America 
  of David Rockefeller's TRILATERAL COMMISSION. Chretien attended the 1996 
  meeting of the Bilderberg Group. 
  
  DANIEL JOHNSON: present Liberal [and Opposition] 
  leader in Quebec. Rose through the ranks of Power Corp. 
  
  BRIAN MULRONEY: ex-Conservative Prime Minister. 
  Now a lawyer and lobbyist for Power Corporation which, together with Ontario 
  Hydro and Hydro Quebec, has just formed the Hong Kong-based ASIA POWER CORP., 
  to help China to develop its energy potential. Power Corp.'s legal interests 
  in Asia will be handled by a Hong Kong branch of Mulroney's Montreal law firm, 
  Olgilvy, Renault. He is also a well-remunerated member of the board of 
  Archer-Daniels-Midland, a Rockefeller-owned conglomerate, which is headed by 
  Dwayne Andreas who, like Rockefeller himself, is also a member of the elite 
  and secretive Bilderberg Group. 
  
  Mike Harris, Premier of Ontario, who headed off 
  for a fishing weekend at a remote Northern camp with George Bush and Paul 
  Martin soon after his election. Harris, like his colleague Ralph Klein, 
  Premier of Alberta, is also a Bilderberger. 

So...we have the CONSERVATIVE party [via Mulroney], 
the LIBERAL party [via Chretien], and the NDP [via Rae] all tightly connected 
toPaul Desmarais and Power Corp. 
And we have the Prime Minister, the Finance Minister, 
and the Prime Minister's key aide all tightly connected toPaul Desmarais and 
Power Corp. 
Mel Hurtig wrote, in THE BETRAYAL OF CANADA: 
"Since Brian Mulroney became Prime 
  Minister, Big Business has had effective control of the political and economic 
  agenda, and hence the social and cultural agenda as well. Paul Desmarais 
  provided much of the money for Pierre Trudeau's campaign, Brian Mulroney's 
  campaign, and Jean Chretien's campaign." [p.188] 
Maurice Strong has now joined Brian Mulroney and Paul 
Desmarais in investing the Asia Power Group's $100 million venture capital in 
"small coal-fired power plants being built in the south of China". They are also 
looking at "larger projects in northern China, as well as in Malaysia, the 
Philippines and India." The Asian economies are expected to spend $1 trillion 
[US] on essential infrastructure, of which an estimated $400 billion [US] will 
be on power generation. Chinese and Asian labour costs are low - as low, in 
China, as $45 per month - and potential profits are high. 
The Nov/Dec. 1993 issue of David Rockefeller's 
Council on Foreign Relations' publication FOREIGN RELATIONS contains an article, 
THE RISE OF CHINA, in which we are warned that China will begin to use more 
energy than the United States within a few decades, massively straining the 
world's energy supplies. Most of China's energy comes from the burning of soft, 
high-sulphur, highly- polluting coal. In 1991 alone, 11 trillion cubic meters of 
waste gases and sixteen million tons of soot were emitted into the atmosphere 
over China - and it has only just begun its long process of increased energy 
generation! 
The suphur in this coal causes acid rain. The burning 
of the coal releases carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, the most efficient 
"greenhouse gas" in the global warming process. 
The warmer the climate becomes, the greater 
the need for fresh water in Mexico and the southern United States - and the more 
urgent the need for a GRAND Canal project to get it there. An astute businessman 
could, if he were so 

[CTRL] Homosexuality by W.E.Best

2003-08-14 Thread cybervoyager
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Homosexuality 

by W.E.Best
Homosexuality is unnatural. It is a 
menace to society. It has not only become an accepted lifestyle but 
threatens the health of many. Homosexuals have come out of their closets and are 
becoming a political power. Furthermore, they have invaded many religious 
institutions, claiming there is no Scripture that says homosexuality is a sin. 
Thus, homosexuals and many religionists alike are blind to Biblical history and 
Scriptural instruction. Apart from a spiritually circumcised ear, all Scriptural 
teaching on the subject will be like the seed that was sown by the way side 
(greek text - hodon, accusative of 
hiodos, which means a way or road) 
(Matt.13:19).
Among the unrighteous people who shall not 
inherit the kingdom of God, the inspired apostle mentioned fornicators (plural 
of pornos, a fornicator), 
idolaters (plural of eidololatres, 
an idolater or worshipper of idols), adulterers (plural of moichos, an adulterous person), 
effeminate (plural of malakos, a 
male who submits his body to unnatural lust), and abusers of themselves with 
mankind (plural of arsenokoires, 
one who lies with a male as a female) (I Cor. 6:9). 
The Greek word arsenokoites is used here and in I Timothy 
1:10  For whoremongers, 
for them that defile themselves with mankind This Greek word is a 
compound word composed of arsen, 
which means male, and koite, which means a bed. Hence, the reference is to male 
homosexuals. Although the Greek word arsenokoites is not used in Romans 
1:26-27, homosexuals of both sexes are described: 
For this cause God gave them up 
unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that 
which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of 
the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that 
which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error 
which was meet. 
Homosexuality is not new, but its acceptance 
by heterosexuals as another lifestyle is new. How can that which is unnatural 
become an accepted lifestyle with so many? It could not apart from a corrupted 
society. One must understand that Christians constitute a little flock (Luke 
12:32) in a world system that is 
dominated by the spirit ofthe age: 
AND you hath he quickened, who were 
dead in trespasses and sins; Wherein in time past ye walked according to the 
course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the 
spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: Among whom also we all 
had our conversation in times past in the lusts ofour flesh, fulfilling the 
desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, 
even as others (Eph. 2:1-3). 
There was a time when sodomites were 
restricted to certain places. For example, the 
Sodom of history was known for its 
ones set apart for unholy purposes (Gen. 19). However, in todays society, 
homosexuals are unrestricted. Modern day 
Sodom has enlarged her borders. 
Christians, like Abraham of old, see by faith that this amoral society is under 
the judgment of God. 
Homosexuality was not only exposed but 
punished in the Old Testament: 
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as 
with womankind; it is abomination (Lev. 18:22). 
If a man also lie with mankind, as 
he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall 
surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them (Lev. 20:13). 
(See Deut. 23:17, 18; Judges 19:2,24; I 
Kings 14:24; 15:12; 22:46; 
Isa 3:9.) The revelation of Gods wrath against sin, which includes 
homosexuality, is described by Paul in Romans 1:18-3:20. Gods wrath is the 
counterpart of His righteousness. It is not a passion but a principle. His wrath 
is the reaction of holy love in the presence of sin. To the nature of God, wrath 
against sin is as natural as love for holiness. As God cannot be holy without 
being jealous for His holiness, He cannot be holy without manifesting His wrath 
against sin. Therefore, God gave sinners over to their evil passions as 
punishment for their sins.
Concerning sinners, three references to God 
gave them over are recorded in the first chapter of Romans 
(vv. 24, 26, 28). The Greek word for gave them over is an 
aorist active indicative of paradidomi, which means to give over into 
the power of another or to abandon one to his own sinful lusts for the 
manifestation of the depths of human depravity. Each of the times Paul said that 
God gave them over must be viewed in the light of what preceded Gods 
abandonment. The ones abandoned by God in verse 24 were those who: 

  held 
  down truth (v. 18), 
  ignored general revelation (vv. 19, 20), 
  devaluated God (v. 21), 
  professed superior wisdom (v. 22), and 
  exchanged Gods glory for man-made idols (v. 23): 
1. Holding down truth in unrighteousness is 
a heinous crime. The Greek participle, katechonton (present active participle of 
katecho, which means to 

[CTRL] The Deadly and Dangerous Homosexual Lifestyle

2003-08-14 Thread cybervoyager
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Anything But Gay: The Deadly and 
Dangerous Homosexual Lifestyle
Because of the bias manner in which homosexuality is 
portrayed by the media, the general public has little understanding of the true 
nature of the homosexual lifestyle. 
Most have been deceived into believing the average 
homosexual lives a perfectly normal and healthy way of life. 
To suggest otherwise is considered hateful and 
homophobic. But the facts paint a dark picture of homosexuality much different 
from the clean, harmless image most people see in the positive portrayals of 
homosexuals on television and in movies. The silence of the media has hidden the 
seedy, dangerous and disgusting behavior typical of homosexuals which would 
stagger the minds of decent people. 
Just like the rest of us? 
Gays behave just like everybody else except for the 
minor difference that they happen to be attracted to people of the same-sex, 
right? 
Wrong. Although there certainly are exceptions, the 
general rule is that homosexuals pursue a sexual perversity which defies 
imagination. The impression we are given is that homosexuals are involved in 
committed relationships comparable to typical heterosexual relationships, but 
the truth is the homosexual lifestyle is, by its very nature, extremely 
promiscuous. According to surveys of homosexual men, the average homosexual may 
easily have thousands of sexual partners in his lifetime. According to Jeffrey 
Satinover: 
A 1981 study revealed that only 2 percent of 
homosexuals were monogamous or semi-monogamous-generously defined as ten or 
fewer lifetime partners. And a 1978 study found that 43 percent of male 
homosexuals estimated having sex with five hundred or more different partners 
and 28 percent with a thousand or more different partners. Seventy-nine percent 
said that more than half of these partners were strangers and 70 percent said 
that more than half were men with whom they had sex only once. 
Of gay men and anonymous sex, George Grant and Mark 
A. Horne point out in their book, Legislating Immorality: Worse, many-if not 
most-of all homosexual encounters are anonymous Homosexual bathhouses-or as they 
are sometimes called, without a hint of irony, health clubs-cater specifically 
to this perverse hankering for anonymity. Is it any wonder that Paul calls this 
behavior vile and unseemly? 
Reaping the fruits of sowing 
perversion 
A tree is known by its fruit (Mat. 12:33). What, 
then, are the fruits of homosexual behavior? To encourage young people to 
embrace homosexuality as normal and to remove from their minds any possible 
inhibitions toward it, pro-homosexual propaganda in public school courses and 
special programs leads them to believe that homosexuality is merely an 
alternative lifestyle, as healthy as heterosexuality. The awful truth that 
homosexuals want to bury beneath a façade of normalcy is that homosexuality is 
destructive to health and hygiene. 
In Romans Paul speaks of homosexuals 
receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was due (Rom. 
1:27), suggesting that there are grave 
consequences to perverting the divine order. There is undeniable 
evidence to support this point.While we often think of Acquired Immune 
Deficiency Syndrome (AIDS) when considering health issues related to 
homosexuality, most people are not aware that AIDS is but one of many diseases 
afflicting homosexuals. 
David Smith, M.D., gave the following statistics 
concerning the medical consequences of homosexual behavior: 
A survey several years ago revealed that 
seventy-eight percent of homosexuals have been affected at least once by a 
sexually transmitted disease Although the percentage of homosexuals in the 
United States is less than five percent, they are responsible for half of the 
cases of gonorrhea of the throat and of intestinal infections. Major outbreaks 
of ambiasis and hepatitis A infections in San Francisco and Minneapolis have 
been associated with diseased homosexual food handlers in public restaurants. 
There is a twenty to fifty fold greater rate of hepatitis B among male 
homosexuals and a much higher rate of hepatitis A [than heterosexuals]; between 
one-half to three-fourths of homosexual men have had hepatitis B. If you look at 
rates of chronic or recurrent infections with herpes virus, CMV, and hepatitis 
B, you would find them in ninety percent of homosexually active men.San 
Francisco passed gay rights laws and saw a rate of increase of twenty-two 
times over the national average of venereal disease over the first ten years. 

AIDS: Gay disease or everyones 
problem? 
It is politically incorrect to label AIDS as a gay 
disease. In the 1980s and 90s a massive propa-ganda campaign was implemented 
to convince the public that all of us-heterosexuals and homosexuals alike-were 
at equal risk of contracting the disease. It is true that there are many 
innocent victims of the disease who are not homosexual-especially in Africa, 

Re: [CTRL] Truthbeknown Pagan Newage Website

2003-08-14 Thread cybervoyager
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My feelings and sentiments exactly 
infowarez... that site is so deranged with new age claptrap... it reeks 






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Re: [CTRL] Ann Coulter The NeoCon Trojan Horse

2003-08-14 Thread cybervoyager
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ha haaa.. yes a horse indeed... one they should of 
put out to pasture a long time ago...lol...





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[CTRL] Ann Coulter The NeoCon Trojan Horse

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Alex Jones Ambushes Ann 
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[CTRL] Unatural Things In Unatural Times

2003-08-14 Thread cybervoyager
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How come so many animals do it...??

Well I suppose if you want to get down to the level of a barnyard animal and
act like an animal... sure go ahead, go for it.. and be like a bestial
animal... on the lowest level of existance in the natural order of things.
Hey if you want live like an a bestial animal it shows exactly what mode and
level of thinking you identify yourself with... if you do not even
understand that there are different orders of creation, you show your lack
of understanding indeed... sure I have seen animals engage in asexual
activities.. BUT that is an bestial animal.. if you try and tell me that
that is all man is.. you are so full of malarky.. man is much more than an
animal. Since you chose the lowest common denominator, you label yourself.

Putting yourself on the level of a barnyard animal is also addressed in the
bible:

Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither
were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish
heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools. And
changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to
corruptible man, and to birds, and four footed beasts, and  creeping things.
Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleaness through the lusts of their own
hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves. romans 1:21-24

Look at hindus... their concept of God puts animals on the same level as
God.. have ever seen them parade their krishna festivals.. where they parade
elephants, and phalluses.. and all manner of degradation and paganism?? Such
corrupt concept of the Godhead plainly exemplifies what these verses are
explaining in romans there is an old saying.. YOU BECOME WHAT YOU
WORSHIP..
you worship an animal.. you will become like one... ITS THAT SIMPLE.

SO .. according to you because bestial animals.. (there is proof enough man
is on a much higher plain than a barnyard animal).. engage in such
activity.. so should man and woman... you are not only clued out about the
natural order in Gods creation, but you need to get clued in on what the
biblical concept of the Godhead is.

Now for those who continually quote the old testament levitical laws in
defense of discrediting the bible.. I hear this continually from Sodomites..
I answer the following

NOT to distinguish between the different aspect of the old testament law is
folly indeed.. most reformed theologians separate the law into three major
categories.. i) moral law ii) ceremonial and dietary levitical laws iii)
levitical preisthood laws... The moral law is eternally binding.. the latter
two the levitical ceremonial and laws of levitical priesthood have been
fulfilled and are not longer binding on man as those old covenant laws have
been fulfilled in Christ when he came to earth 2000 years ago... the moral
law on the other hand is binding eternally and is yet to find it final
consumation in the future also in Christ... the Old Testament levitical laws
are NO LONGER BINDING on new testament christians or anybody for that
matter, simply because the old covenant levitcal laws have been fulfilled in
Christ who was our high priest forever... see the book of hebrews on this..
if you do not believe me.. I am not making this up... So for those sodomites
and pagans who like to point out these old testament levitical laws.. saying
we should keep them also.. betrays their ignorance of Gods covenants.. as
well as the fact they do NOT have a clue about what God has fulfilled and
not fulfilled.

Old Testament sabaths.. feast days and ceremonial levitical laws were only
binding on the jewish nation in the old testament.. those laws have been
fulfilled in Christ.. we no longer need the shadow of those levitical laws
which pointed to Christ. The moral law on the other hand is still binding on
all men.. whether they are christians or not... every single one of the 10
commandment (except the jewish saturday sabath) was repeated in the new
testament under the commandments of Christ... I can post the comparison if
you like..

Now, as to your last point..

Then how come most heterosexuals never thought twice about it, one way or
the other,  until the Christians came along?

Actually it was the law of Moses that pointed out sin and what sin actually
was, but nevertheless, man knew instinctual in his heart even before that
morally what was sin.. sin existed before the law of Moses was given, as did
mans conscience knowing the difference between right and wrong so your
comment is very misinformed and denies the facts of human history... it was
not Christians who started saying the sodomy was unatural and from the pit
of hell... and NO sodom and gomorrahs sin was not inhospitality, as so
many sodomites claim.. what a bunch of rubbish to say such.. if you believe
that.. either you did not read the account of sodom and gomorrah .. all of
it.. or you have a sodomite translation of the bible that cut out the part

[CTRL] Laws Prohibit 'Transgender' Discrimination

2003-08-14 Thread cybervoyager
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The other side of this whole sodomite discussion 
that is highly disturbing, is their infection and overthrow of the 
courts by way of so called "equal rights laws", where if 
you dare speak out against this perversion from hell,
you will be the one liable to the judgment of mans laws.. 
now we can see how and to what extent the law courts
of man have sunk to in thier all time low. Make no mistake 
about it, in the near future it will be against the law
to say anything negative about sodomy or any other such 
perversion. Bill C-250 in Canada will support exactly
such an agenda.. this is war.. nothing more, nothing 
less. But I am afraid those on the side of the bible are asleep and taking this 
invasion of pagan perversion laying down, with a ho hum.. oh well 
attitude. Won't you be surprised when your pastor gets charged for NOT 
marrying two men or two woman.. and its coming, make no mistake about it... this 
is NOT fear mongering, but a natural outcome of the presently progressing events 
in the 
sodomite court of agenda in the governments of the 
land.

Laws Prohibit Transgender Discrimination

by Frank 
York

A 
Boulder, Colorado law has just taken effect forbidding businesses, schools and 
other organizations from discriminating against gender variants, also known as 
transgenderseven requiring that public facilities provide separate bathrooms 
if necessary for these individuals.
A 
similar law just passed in Ann Arbor, Michigan, while Atlanta added gender 
identity to its charter in January. And last summer, Louisville and Lexington, 
Kentucky, both passed laws protecting transgenders from discrimination. With 
little media coverage, the transgender movement is gaining momentum throughout 
the U.S. According to the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force, three counties, 
20 cities and the state of Minnesota now prohibit discrimination based on a 
persons gender identity. Transgenders believe they are part of an international 
movement to free individuals from gender oppressionwhich they define as 
societys practice of dividing the human race into male and female. The term 
transgender encompasses a wide range of sexual behaviors, including 
cross-dressers, drag queens, transsexuals (those seeking sex change operations), 
and even she-males, hybrids who choose to go only halfway through a sex change 
operation. They remain partially female and partially male in their 
anatomy.
Many transgenders identify internally with the opposite sex, and try 
to adjust their outward appearance to match what they believe is their real 
gender. Thus, a male who believes he is a woman dresses like a woman; a woman 
who believes she is really a man, dresses like a 
man.
Hollywood aids the transgender 
movement
Early in February, actress Hilary Swank was named as an Oscar nominee 
for best actress for her performance in Boys Dont Cry. As a result of her 
nomination, the growing transgender movement gained worldwide publicity for its 
cause.Boys Dont Cry tells the true story of a seriously disturbed Nebraska 
woman who pretended to be a man. The woman, who called herself Brandon Teena, 
believed she was a man trapped in a womans body. Teena posed as a young man, 
dated girls and went cruising and drinking with a rough crowd in a small town 
near Lincoln.Brandon Teenas charade began to unravel when she was arrested on a 
check forgery charge and police released her real name, Teena Brandon, to the 
local newspaper.
Her drinking buddies were enraged to find out who she was. In a 
violent act, they stripped her naked to reveal the truth. Then they took her to 
a secluded location and raped her. The local police did not file charges against 
her rapistsboth convicted felons. Later, in revenge for Brandons having turned 
them in to the police, her rapists murder her.
20/20 Downtown devoted a segment on February 10 to another Brandon 
Teena film called The Brandon Teena Story, recently released on video. The 
tragic murder of Teena Brandon, because of the natural sympathy it evokes for 
the victim, is being used by transgender groups to promote their political and 
social goals.
What is a 
transgender?
The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual IV (DSM-IV) of the American 
Psychiatric Association lists transvestism or transgenderism as a mental 
disorder or a gender identity disorder. While the APA still considers 
transgenderism to be a sexual dysfunction, this could change if transgender 
activist groups are successful.
One of these transgender groups is the High Risk Project Society 
based in Vancouver, British Columbia. The group has published Gender, 
Transgender and Transphobia, by Sandra Laframboise, to explain the movement and 
its goals.According to the High Risk Project Society, Transgender people seek 
the freedom to express themselves and to present themselves in a manner that is 
consistent with their own identity, rather than with the gender identity imposed 
on them from birth.
This includes 

[CTRL] Sodomites

2003-08-14 Thread cybervoyager
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It never ceases to amaze me when this discussion of sodomy 
comes up,
which is the correct term for homosexual behavior (NOT 
GAY, as gay is
just a political brainwashing agenda term), that the 
majority discard the
teaching and fact that God is holy and that he does punish 
people for 
their sin and corruption. If there is no absolute moral 
standard in this
universe as the new agers and pagans claim, then they are 
right, but
the fact remains that is an untenable premise when squared 
with reality.
Every action in this universe has a corresponding action 
and consequence.
What one sows they will reap, even in polytheistic 
hinduism they hold to
such a concept in the form of karma. Although I personally 
do not hold 
to a polytheistic concept of God as the hindus and new 
agers do, it
is more than abundantly obvious to any thinking person in 
ethics and
philosophy and theology that there is moral accountability 
and standards
in this university. Ask yourself, could a house be built 
without plans or logic
and design behind it?? How much more so is the creation of 
this universe?
There is absolute law and absolute moral standards and 
accountability
in every realm, from the heights of heaven, to the lower 
courts of man,
there is no getting around it. From the sodomites point of 
view, just chuck
the bible and say its a bunch of myths and mere legends 
and NOT the
literal word of God and "God Breathed", and sure yes, its 
not to hard to
see what the next step is in their thought 
process.

The fact that the sodomite agenda has infiltrated the 
church via freudian
psychology and a deistic concept of God that is NOT 
sovereign and holy,
doesn't change the FACT that God holds ever soul 
accountable for their
actions. Since when is murder or rape or any other heinous 
crime viewed
differently than sodomy, as the sodomites would like to 
portray it. Is Sodomy
any less a heinous crime, than say adultery which destroys 
homes and marriages???
Here we can see the bind the whore roman catholic 
institution has gotten 
itself into, with the pederastery and closed door sodomite 
agenda that
has been propogated within their ranks for the centuries. 


Furthermore its no mystery that in the highest levels of 
satanism, an asexual
sodomite outlook and view is promolgated and propogated 
from the 
highest ranks of their pyramid structure, so is it any 
wonder roman catholic
priests inline with the vatican practise likewise.. after 
all they are in the same
league, from my research. What a mess, Svend Robinson 
points the finger
at the corrupt papists and fundamentalists who rightfully 
condemns sodomy,
when he in his own corrupt backyard promotes an agenda 
that seeks to 
overthrow traditional marriage as the norm and fact of 
reality that has been
such from day one since creation. 

Make no mistake about it.. this sodomite agenda has only 
one design,
to bring down traditional marriage and displace it with a 
pagan panacea
of free for all with no accountability before God. 
If you think this isn't the
case, you are deluded Sodomites will not stop till the 
biblical standard
of what marriage is and where it originated from is 
totally eradicated.
HOW can a sodomite concept of sodomite union co-exist with 
a biblical
concept of marriage from a sodomites point of view? After 
all, as long
as the church won't marry a sodomite couple, what peace 
can a 
sodomite have with the bible or a biblical concept of 
marriage.
This all adds up to one thing and one thing only, the 
sodomite
society having the rest of society at large putting a 
stamp of 
approval on their corrupt evil wicked agenda, and you know 
what?
By and large it is working, the majority of society is now 
brainwashed
to believe that its okay for two men or two woman to 
engage in 
sexual practises behind closed doors. I got news for them. 
God is
watching their every filthy corrupt move, they will not 
escape the judgment 
of God. God is omniscient and sees and knows all. He will 
not be mocked.

Sodom and Gomorrah was for real and God destroyed it, just 
as he 
punish all sodomites for thier activities ... IF they do 
NOT repent of this
unnatural sin. And unnatural it is. Anybody that states, 
it is natural and
fine for two men to kiss with their tongues in public 
displays plastered
all over the media has not only a morality problem big 
time, but needs
some serious help in their thinking process which somehow 
had gotten
corrupt along the line somewhere... 

What room is there for discussion and debate now with 
sodomites
about what is right and wrong?? Its too late for that... 
only God can
help them and change their hearts If Sodom and 
Gomorrah is
NOT enough of an object lesson for anybody regarding how 
much
God hates sodomy as an unnatural behavior to be rightfully 
condemned
by any thinking virtuous person, then I repeat only God 
can help such
a deluded soul.

Archeological Remains Of Sodom And Gomorrah 
Found

A Bible 

[CTRL] Israeli Wall Compared To Berlin Wall

2003-08-12 Thread cybervoyager
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Bigger than the Old Berlin Wall

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[CTRL] John Lennon And Al Capp

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Al Capp (cartoonist who gave us Lil Abner) 
confronts John Lennon and Yoko Ono at world peace bedin demonstration.

interesting piece of historical 
footage

  http://ms.radio-canada.ca/archives/English/tdbedin19690608et1.wmv



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[CTRL] Iraqi American Invasion - Flash Video Presentations

2003-07-24 Thread cybervoyager
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Iraqi USA Invasion - Flash Video Presentations... 
of full military armaments and intelligence:
[you will need winace or winrar to extract these files and 
flash media player to view the files]

  http://www.angelfire.com/hi2/gracebelievers/Iraqi_Invasion_Flash_Videos.ace
* ps. I have no idea how embellished this intelligence is 
in these flash presentations, I downloaded and decompiled them from a british UK 
media source, but regardless its worth having a look at these videos... any 
comments for discussion on this material is more than welcome.

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[CTRL] David Kelly Death - More Info

2003-07-21 Thread cybervoyager
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DAVID KELLY SUICIDE IN UK:

The BBC's Shaun Ley"David Kelly was 
thrust into the limelight because of a meeting with a BBC 
journalist"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/video/39294000/rm/_39294111_kelly13_ley_vi.ram
Garth Whitty, former colleague 
of David Kelly"He was a quiet man who got on with his 
job"http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/video/39293000/rm/_39293917_kelly11_whitty_int_vi.ram

U.K. Police: David Kelly Death 
Apparent SuicideSaturday, July 19, 2003SOUTHMOOR, England 
 British police said Saturday that the death of former weapons inspector 
David Kelly (provided UK With WMD Intelligence info) was apparently 
self-inflected.http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,92378,00.html

He was Head of Microbiology at the Chemical and Biological 
Defence Establishment, Porton Down. Porton Down, directly, and the CIA, 
indirectly, received their samples of the particular anthrax spores used in 
the attacks from the US Army Medical Research Institute of Infections 
Diseases at Fort Detrick, about 50 miles north of Washington.

Since the First World War, the Chemical and Biological 
Defence Establishment at Porton Down 
carried out experiments on volunteers to understand better 
the effects of chemical agents that 
might be used against British troops in warfare and 
improve protective measures.

By 1991 the Chemical Defence Establishment of Porton Down 
became the Chemical and Biological 
Defence Establishment and was one of the six new Defence 
Support Agencies. In 1995, the 
Establishment became part of the Defence Evaluation and 
Research Agency (DERA)saint_athyrius: In 2001, DERA split into two 
organisations: QinetiQ, a private company, and DSTL 
(Defence Science and Technology Laboratory) In July 2002, the Carlyle Group took a 34% stake in 
QinetiQ.
Iraq weapons expert Dr David Kelly reportedly warned of 
"many dark actors playing games" in an 
e-mail sent hours before he bled to death from a slashed 
wrist.

  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3080795.stm
  http://216.239.57.104/searchq=cache:L7tynBSrLwkJ:www.rense.com/general20/mic.htm+Dead+Microbiologistshl=enie=UTF-8
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[CTRL] Children Of Satan by Anton Chaitkin

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Children Of Satan by Anton 
Chaitkin:

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[CTRL] George Bush Seniors Pedophile Scandals

2003-07-21 Thread cybervoyager
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George Bush Seniors Pedophile 
Scandals 
Bush Sr's Child sex scandal, Promptly forgotten by 
American Public 3:02am Fri Apr 25 '03 (Modified on 6:38pm Sun Apr 27 
2003)This was the scandal that much bigger than Monica. Why did the 
media not give the same coverage. 


  http://www.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=314600




  http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=149495;article=42365;title=APFN
Bush's name had repeatedly surfaced in 
the Nebraska 
scandalSun Jul 20 14:06:17 2003208.152.73.118Here George Bush is 
named to have taken part in the child sex parties. 


  http://www.eagle-net.org/BrantonsFiles/naznwo15.html
Bush's name had 
repeatedly surfaced in the 
Nebraska scandal. But his name was 
first put into print in July 1989, a little less than a month after the 
Washington call boy affair had 
first madeheadlines.[Senate Committee 
investigator Gary Caradori's witnesses claimed to have seen in the company of 
George Bush at one of Larry King's 
Washington parties." Gary Caradori 
was a retired state policeinvestigator who had been hired by the Nebraska 
Senate to investigate the case, and who had DIED mysteriously DURING THE COURSE 
of his investigations. Child abuse has become one of the epidemics of the 
1990s," Bowman told "GQ". Allegedly, one of Bowman's sources is a 
retiredpsychiatrist who worked for the CIA. He added that cocaine 
trafficking and political corruption [Bush and his CIA associates were allegedly 
involved with all three.George Bush--Omaha Call Boys: http://www.the7thfire.com/bush21.htmThe 
Pedophocracy, Part II: http://davesweb.cnchost.com/pedo2.htmlThe 
Franklin, Nebraska CoverUp: http://www.davidicke.net/tellthetruth/coverups/decamp.htmlDonna 
Chapel - Johnny Gosch: http://www.donnachapel.com/johnny_gosch.html
The Johnny Gosch Foundation:http://web.archive.org/web/20011021051432/http://www.johnnygosch.com/index.html
Have you seen me? STILL 
MISSING!!!
The story 20/20 wouldn't tellBy: Noreen Gosch
http://www.mediabypass.com/archives/feb-00.htmFamous 
Kidnapping Case Implicates Top Political Figures in Child Prostitution 
Networkhttp://www.americanfreepress.net/RFA_Articles/Kidnapping_Case_Implicates_Top/kidnapping_case_implicates_top.html
Ted Gunderson Reporthttp://web.archive.org/web/20020610024055/johnnygosch.com/gunderson_report.htmlMind 
Control Victim Awarded $1 Million
Bonacci article - Des Moines Registerhttp://www.raven1.net/ra1.htmBohemian 
Bigwigs Perpetuate Canaanite Culthttp://www.sonic.net/~doretk/ArchiveARCHIVE/MARK%20EVANS/BohemianClub.htmlBohemian 
Grove: Hell-Fire in a Foresthttp://www.econcrisis.homestead.com/Bohemian_Grove_Hell_Fire.htmlThe 
Findershttp://www.geminiwalker-ink.net/HellFinders.html
On February 7th of 1987, the Washington Post ran an 
interesting story that did not at first seem to have any particularly national 
significance. The article concerned a case of possible kidnapping and child 
abuse, and material discovered in the Washington area that they say points to a 
1960s style commune called the Finders, described in a court document as a 
"cult" that conducted" brainwashing" and used children "in rituals." DC police 
who searched the Northeast Washington warehouse linked to 
the groupremoved large plastic bags filled with color slides, photographs 
and photographic contact sheets. Some showed naked children involved in what 
appeared to be "cult rituals," bloodletting ceremonies of animals and one 
photograph of a child in chains.Customs officials said their links to 
the DC area led authorities into a far-reaching investigation that includes The 
Finders -- a group of about 40 people that court documents allege is led by a 
man named Marion Pettie -- and their various homes, including the duplex 
apartment in Glover Park, the Northeast Washington warehouse and a 90 acre farm 
in rural Madison County, VA.It was the US News and World Report that 
would ultimately provide the follow-up to the Finders story, noting that there 
is a certain Customs Service memorandum that was written at the time of the 
original investigation, written by Ramon J. Martinez, Special Agent, United 
States Customs Service, describing two adult white  
males and six minor children ages 7 years to 2 years. The adult males were 
Michael Houlihan and Douglas Ammerman, both of Washington, DC who had been 
arrested the previous day on charges of child abuse.The children were covered 
with insect bites, were very dirty, most of the children were not wearing 
underpants and all of the children had not been bathed in many days. The men 
were somewhat evasive under questioning and stated only that they were the 
children's teachers and were en route to 
Mexico to 
establish a school for brilliant children. The children were unaware of the 
functions of telephones, television and toilets, and stated that they were not 
allowed to live indoors and were only given food as a reward.A Detective 
Bradley had initiated an investigation on the two 

Re: [CTRL] Air Fairy Crystal Wearers Comment by William

2003-07-13 Thread cybervoyager
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Haaa h..  Air Fairy 
crystal wearers... ha haaa.. oh that was too funny william... 
lol ... have to remember that one nex time I meet an new ager... ha haaa 






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[CTRL] Sodomite Union Legalized In Ontario Canada

2003-06-17 Thread cybervoyager
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In reply to what Mark S Bilk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
posted concerning Zuukie's thread:

The "gay rights" movement isn't about civil 
rights for homosexuals.Homosexuals enjoy all the same civil rights as 
other Americans.

Absolutely false. Homosexual people are 
generally not allowed tohave official marriages, and so are denied the 
various economicand social rights that such marriages confer, and they are 
alsodiscriminated against in employment, housing, etc.




Well I geuss what your friends commented in response to 
your disemination of Zuukies posting is not true, check the links 
below:


  Canadian Government steers vote on accepting same-sex 
  ruling:http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20030613.USAMEN/TPStory
  Ontario legalises gay marriage:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2980250.stm
  Gay and lesbian couples win equal spousal rights in 
  Ontario, Canadahttp://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_0069.htm
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[CTRL] Evils Of The Modern Banking System

2003-04-05 Thread cybervoyager
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The 
Evils Of The Modern Banking System
1. 
This is a brief history of banking control in the United 
Stales of America 
from 1750 to 1813, or "how the International Bankers got economic control of 
U.S.A. 
The following is a precis of an article by Alain Pilote from "News and Facts".
"In 1750 there was not yet a 
United States of 
America, thirteen colonies on the American 
continent forming "New England", belonging to the mother 
country 
England. 
Benjamin Franklin wrote of them "Impossible to find a happier and more 
prosperous population on all the surface of the globe," 
When he went to 
England to 
represent their interests, he was asked how he accounted for their prosperity, 
while England 
had so much poverty. "Simple", Franklin replied. "In the colonies we issue our 
own money called 'Colonial Script'. We issue it in proportion to make products 
pass easily from producers to consumers. In this manner creating ourselves 
our own paper money, we control its purchasing power and we have no interest to 
pay to anyone "
When the English bankers were informed of that, they had a law 
passed by the British Parliament prohibiting the Colonies issuing their own 
money and ordering them to use only gold or silver debt-money that was provided 
in insufficient quantity by the English bankers. The circulating medium of 
exchange was thus reduced by half. 
Franklin stated that "the conditions 
were so reversed that the era of prosperity ended and a depression set in to 
such an extent that the streets of the colonies were filled with 
unemployed."
 Then the revolutionary war was launched against 
England, 
followed by the Declaration of Independence in 1776. Our school books 
erroneously teach that it was the tax on tea that caused the American 
Revolution. But Franklin clearly 
stated "The Colonies would gladly have borne the little tax on tea and other 
matters had it not been the poverty caused by the bad influence of the English 
bankers on the Parliament; which was caused in the Colonies hatred of 
England and the 
Revolutionary War."
The founding fathers of the United Slates, hearing all these 
facts in mind, and to protect themselves against the exploitation of the 
International Bankers, took good care to expressly declare, in the American 
Constitution, signed at Philadelphia, in 1787, Article I, Section 8, Paragraph 
5" Congress shall have the power to coin money and to regulate the value 
thereof.
The Bankers did not give up. Their agent, Alexander Hamilton, 
secretary of Stale (Minister of Finance) in George Washington's cabinet, 
advocated the establishment of a Federal Bank to be owned by 
private interests, and the creation of debt money (with false argument such as 
"a national debt, if it is not excessive, will be to us a national blessing . . 
. The wisdom of the government will be shown in never trusting itself with the 
use of so seducing and dangerous an expedient, as issuing its own 
money,") And he convinced them into believing that only the 
debt-money issued by private banks would he accepted in dealing 
abroad.
2. (The Evils)
 Thomas Jefferson. Secretary of State, was 
strongly opposed to that project, but President Washington was finally convinced 
by Hamilton's arguments, A Federal Bank was thus created in 1791, the "Bank of 
the United States", with a twenty year charter. It was more really the "bank of 
the bankers" since it was not owned by the nation, but by Individuals holding 
the bank's stocks, the private bankers. (The name was purposely chosen to 
deceive U.S. 
citizens that they were the owners of the bank, which was not the case. In 1811 
Congress voted against renewal, thanks to the influence of Thomas Jefferson and 
Andrew Jackson.
 
Jackson said "If Congress has 
a right under the Constitution to issue paper money, it was given them to use by 
themselves, not lo be delegated to individuals or corporations." Nathan 
Rothschild from the Bank of England issued his ultimatum "Either the application 
for renewal of the Charter is granted or the 
U.S. will find 
itself in a most disastrous war." Nathan Rothschild issued orders "Teach these 
impudent Americans a lesson, bring them back to 
colonial status". The British Government launched the war of 1812 against the 
U.S. . . . Rothschild's plan was to impoverish the 
U.S. through 
this war to such an extent the legislators would have to seek financial aid ... 
which of course, would be forthcoming only in renewal of the Charter for the 
Bank of the U.S. . . . Thousands were killed, but what does it matter to Rothschlld? He has achieved its objective. The U.S. 
Congress granted the renewal of the Charter in I816, (Extract from W. G. Carr's 
book "Pawns in the Game", p.52)
 In 1862, President Abraham Lincoln, in full 
conformity with the provisions of the American Constitution, caused $450 million 
of debt-free greenbacks to be issued, to conduct the Civil War. Re-elected in 1864. he promised to 
attack 

[CTRL] Sharon Controls Bush

2003-04-04 Thread cybervoyager
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If it looks that way, why look any other way or place for 
reasons why? Sometimes the obvious is discounted simply for that, because it 
seems too obvious. Can anybody really argue that Sharon has Bush tied around his 
finger and is playing Bush like a yo yo???





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a more staunchly pro-Israel stance, even if itfeeds the perception the 
United States is too closely aligned with PrimeMinister Ariel Sharon's 
government.
  How could anyone suspect that the US is too closely 
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  orders and President Bush jumps to obey? It just looks that 
  way. 
  
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Re: [CTRL] So Called Anti American Emails

2003-03-31 Thread cybervoyager
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In response to who is behind the anti-American messeges

1) those who are not brainwashed by the CIA CNN controlled media.
2) those who have a mind of their own
3) those who do not buy into American Imperialism
4) those who are fed up with the American Industrial Military complex.

... I am sure many could add a lot more to this list, that is just a few
that come to my mind.

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Re: [CTRL] No 'Best-Case' Scenario

2003-03-31 Thread cybervoyager
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Very well thought out piece.. thank you for it. I do appreciate the thought
that went into it. I find there is s much armchair political jockeying
on this subject without any substance of reality based on the prevailing
conditions in the arab world.. the western mindset continually fails to
grasp the mechanics and mode of thinking of the arab world. Bush and the
chickenhawks have sufficiently proven that.

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 International Perspective, by Marshall Auerback

 No 'Best-Case' Scenario: What Are The Alternatives?
 March 31, 2003

 Now that the phoney war is over and the shooting has commenced in earnest,
 some of the pre-war fog has lifted, even as new uncertainties are being
 created on the ground.  Prior to the commencement of actual hostilities in
 Iraq, little attention was focussed on the law of unintended consequences
 invariably arising from the day to day conduct of the war itself. Much of
 the debate focussed on what kind of a regime would follow and how the
 country's considerable resources, particularly oil, would be deployed.
 Implicit was the belief that once formidable American firepower was
 focussed on the job at hand, Saddam's Ba'athist regime would crumble
 quickly.  Hence, it was felt that there was little point in hypothesising
 about the day to day ups and downs of the war, even if one expressed
 concern about the attendant costs.

 But the coalition troops now have a fight on their hands.   It is becoming
 increasingly clear that the cries to get on with it - said in hope that
 much of the building uncertainty would be quickly lifted with the onset of
 war - has created a host of new unpredictable problems not yet discounted.

 What we can say about the war thus far is as follows:  a best-case
scenario
 (on which the market's initial hopes were placed) can now be safely
 dismissed as unrealistic.  The range of post-war scenarios now looks set
to
 take on a less congenial hue, from least bad outcome to disaster. It is
 important to consider a new spectrum of potential outcomes, the
concomitant
 implications for the markets, and place these in the context of a war
 occurring amidst a world economy still characterised by mounting external
 imbalances in the US, and ongoing sluggish growth in Japan and the
 eurozone.

 First the good news: thus far, no use of chemical weapons, the oil wells
 remain largely intact, the casualty count has remained relatively low
 despite the massive use of firepower, and the battle has thus far been
 largely contained within the borders of Iraq.

 Now for the bad news: a war lasting days (the initial basis for the recent
 surge in global equities), rather than weeks or months is looking far less
 likely.  In contrast to the first Gulf war, the US has clearly not opted
 for an incremental approach, but a higher risk dash to Baghdad, which only
 makes sense in the event of a prompt, decisive victory.  Time is not on
the
 side of the coalition forces in terms of winning the important battle for
 public opinion, which was tenuous even before the start of hostilities.
 There has been no damage to the oil fields, but the oil market remains
very
 tight as evidenced by the recent move into backwardation. The commander of
 the UK forces in the Persian Gulf, Brian Burridge, acknowledges that the
 Rumaila oil field is in terrible condition and suggests that it may take
 at least 3 months before Iraq can start exporting again.  Crude prices are
 therefore likely to trend higher. Despite news of the Basra uprising,
there
 is no real evidence that the Iraqis (or, indeed, much of the Arab world)
 view the US/UK forces as liberators.

 Another obvious point of conflict are the squabbles already emerging over
 post-Saddam Iraq. Not just who is going to control the country - the US or
 the United Nations - but who is going to pick up the tab and who is going
 to get the contracts for rebuilding the country.  Such disputes, if not
 quickly resolved, leave open the disturbing prospect of the victors being
 viewed as an illegitimate occupying power which may remain subject to
 persistent insurgency and guerrilla warfare. Iraq itself could fracture,
 notably in the north, where the Turks are now beginning to intervene in
 Kurdistan, against the express wishes of their American allies; the
 possibility of the conflict extending beyond Iraq's borders needs to be
 considered by the markets.

 The oil fields of Kirkuk are but one clear flashpoint which opens up the
 possibility of a widening war. As the Economist magazine noted in this
week
 's edition,

  The Americans have managed to persuade the Kurds to promise to refrain
 from making a lunge towards the oilfields at Kirkuk (just outside their
 enclave), and to agree to place their 

Re: [CTRL] JUDICIAL WATCH AGAINST RICHARD PERLE

2003-03-31 Thread cybervoyager
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I am sure they will both get good wall street lawyers and 
weasle their way of it. Same old story.





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  For Immediate ReleaseMar 31, 2003
  Contact: Press 
Office202-646-5172

  
JUDICIAL WATCH FILES FORMAL COMPLAINTS AGAINST 
RICHARD PERLE, BILL CLINTON, TERRY MCAULIFFE AND WILLIAM COHEN OVER 
THEIR ROLES IN GLOBAL CROSSINGS PENDING SALESenior Officials Apparent Conflicts of Interest Must Be 
Thoroughly InvestigatedHong Kong Tycoon 
 Chinese Agent, Li Ka-Shing, Seeks Control of Bankrupt 
Telecommunications Firm(Washington, DC) 
Judicial Watch, the public interest group that investigates and 
prosecutes government corruption and abuse, said today that it has filed 
formal complaints against Defense Advisory Board Member and former 
Chairman Richard Perle, former President Bill Clinton, Democratic 
National Committee Chairman Terry McAuliffe and former Clinton 
administration Defense Secretary, and Global Crossing board member, 
William S. Cohen, with the Department of Justice, the Office of 
Government Ethics and the Inspectors General of the Defense Department 
and the Department of Homeland Security. The formal complaint cites 
apparent violations of government ethics regulations as well as federal 
laws governing prohibited conflicts of financial interests. Mr. 
Perle served as Foreign Policy Advisor during the Presidential Campaign 
of George W. Bush. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld subsequently 
appointed Mr. Perle in 2001 as Chairman, Defense Policy Board - a 
position that Mr. Perle occupied until March 27, 2003. Mr. Perle, 
although no longer Chairman, remains an active Member of Defense Policy 
Board. As an Advisor to Global Crossing, Mr. Perles fee, as outlined in 
bankruptcy proceedings, is $725,000, including an unusual contingent 
payment of $600,000 if Global Crossing succeeds in finally obtaining 
approval of its sale to the Chinese Company, Hutchison Whampoa. In his 
March 27, 2003 resignation letter as Board Chairman to Defense Secretary 
Rumsfeld, Mr. Perle reportedly claimed that he would not accept 
compensation from Global Crossing. Irrespective of Mr. Perles claims 
and reported pledges concerning remuneration, Mr. Perle clearly served 
the corporate interests of Global Crossing while simultaneously acting 
as Chairman of the Defense Advisory Board. Global Crossing is slated for 
sale to Hong Kong billionaire and communist Chinese agent Li Ka-Shings 
Hutchison Whampoa Corporation  the shipping conglomerate that took 
control of the Panama Canal in 1999.Judicial Watch has also 
launched an investigation of Mr. Perles advisory role with Loral Space 
and Communications, concerning accusations that the firm improperly 
transferred rocket technology to China, as reported in the March 28, 
2003 New York Times article, Adviser to U.S. Aided Maker of 
Satellites.There appears to be a lot of dirty fingerprints all 
over this Global Crossing deal. Regardless of party affiliation, these 
officials  both past and current -- need to be thoroughly investigated 
and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law if the conflicts of 
interest and pocket-lining can be substantiated. If personal greed 
trumped their duty to the nations security then they belong in prison  
period, stated Judicial Watch Chairman and General Counsel Larry 
Klayman.To view a copy of the complaint, click here. 

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[CTRL] 65 Billion Dollars

2003-03-25 Thread cybervoyager
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What did I wake up to this morning, when I turned on the 
radio news? Get this, George W. Bush is going to petition the American Congress 
today for ... get this 65 Billion dollars in an aid request package, to pay for 
this genocidal invasion of iraq.

Hmmm... that is interesting, 65 billion dollars huh? So in 
other words this invasion (not war) has not even been paid for by taxpayers of 
america as of yet, but is a campaign being fought on borrowed time and 
money.

One can only wonder if that is the case, how long George 
W. Bush can continue this charade of mock freedom fighting, which is nothing 
more than re-buttressing of the chickhawk republican zionist right wing guard in 
Washington. 

My question though is specifically directed towards the 
American Taxpayer. Is this invasion worth that type of price tag? Ask yourself? 
I mean, I am a practical guy, and find it interesting how confusing issues such 
as war propoganda proliferation etc etc, confuses even the wise amongst us, but 
when the accountant sits down to tally the count in dollars and cents, things 
become crystal clear in such situations.

65 Billion dollars 
America

... no not million, billion we are talking about here 


you don't have to be Michael Moore, or for that matter 
from Hollywood to figure out this one out. It doesn't take a genius to figure 
out this one. Comon America, wake up and smell the coffee, are you not tired of 
being taken for a ride by the chickhawk express???



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[CTRL] Haliburton Stocks Up

2003-03-25 Thread cybervoyager
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Haliburtons stock is up 58 cents ... 
noon day stock report... Dick Chaney I am sure is not 
complaining.. business looks good for him.

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