Re: [CTRL] As Impeachment Looms, Clinton Seems In Denial (Reuters)
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/21/98 6:56:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > I do believe that Bush needed to get out of the spotlight. Also the > Democractic majority of the populace demands that the Republicans allows > some > Demos in office, hopefully controlled, at least a controlled besmirching. It > allows the Hegellian process its latitudes. Bush was there for 12 years. > Through his daddy there was nixon for many more. Clinton's downfall has been > well orchestrated for us, hoi polloi and inspiring elites. > > And look at the dept of Justice very little staff changes and what did took > forever. > Remember Clinton was 'partners' in Mena, etc. And I am sure that behind the > scenes real deal is much different than what is presented to us hoi polloi. > > The hand of intell, the military and secret societies are everwhere. > > Just read Quigley the only guy Clinton mentioned when he got nomiated and > inaugarated. He said lets stop the intrigue -kinda like > > The target is our Republic, Freedoms and Liberties. > > The arming of the populace with hatred towards other segements of the > populace > is following along the lines of the social dissanonce that was apparent > during > pre-wwII. > > Read the protocols, the unedited versions without all the anti-semtism and > you > will find laid out a very concise plan for 'taking over/ controlling the > world'. John Daniel gives a very interesting history to those documents. > > The problem is the internet is busting that plan by removing 'the dominating > voice' and has the possibilty of doing away with the controlled money > systems > of today. By freeing people's acces to each other and mediums of media, the > social reverberations are only just beginng to be explored and understood. > Info and money are two of the strongest of dominating factors used by the > cryptocracy. > > I am sure that contingacy plans are already in place to try and use the > situation for advantage of those in powerful positions. A velveta revolution? > > Some forms of anarchy.? The continual stacking of straws on the camel back, > into cynisim and blame. Then blame goes searching for victims. The > divisiveness of somethings on this list shows some of the strata and other > list and boards can give you an appreciation of other very divisive issues. > Each carry-on with it's folks always blaming the other. Many of the extremes > seem 'staged' and I suppose they are. I mean why did the CIA pay Gloria > Steinham for? And how many other of the 'social causes' are just hegellian > tools to help build and codify natural divisions of age, class, etc? > Once the ball is rolling it either snowballs and/or its on to next 'cause'. > > Om > Yeah, I'm following you. But I've lapsed into an observe, contemplate and digest mode. Things are moving way too fast these days. And like riptides in deep waters, methinks they are moving, behind the scenes, a hell of a lot faster than most of us can apprehend. Is it your contention that the impeachment "debacle" is also Hegelian, meaning in this case an ochrestrated dynamic in the overall, long-range plot? That's an honest question. At this point anything is conceivable and any one thing can make as much sense as any other. .You have commented on the devisiveness, and although I believe that it SHOULD be an orderly constitutional process, your observation, if it proves out, could be more insightful. There is one point though on which I would venture an opinion. You speak of Republicans as if they were a secret society themselves, as if they enjoyed absolute control. You might very well be correct, but it is my sense that, in their secret places these men do not identify themselves by such mundane, "common man" appellations. Although we speak of the same men doing the same secret business, I would venture that these men would call themselves something else altogether, and whatever that might be would be something ranking much higher than Republican or Democrat. Republican and Democrat to them, I would suggest, would be as Lieutenant is to General (IMHO). Thanks for the dialogue. Jim DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE
Re: [CTRL] As Impeachment Looms, Clinton Seems In Denial (Reuters)
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/21/98 7:28:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Bush knew his time was up when David Rockefeller gave his full endorsement > of > Bill Clinton in an interview with The New York Times on October 16, 1992. Well, I would guess so! But my recollection is that his enthusiasm was absent even earlier. > George had been a faithfull mule and water carrier for the Oligarchy, he was > solely responsible for the Gulf War conflagration and the terrible > consequences it brought to approximately 150,000/250,000 American troops ( > not > to mention ten's of thousands of Iraqi civilians; can't kill Saddam, he's > cast > to re-play the bad guy many times, especially now it would seem) who now > suffer with Gulf War Illness, Agreed absolutely. And it was this event that finally cured me of the disease of Republicanism. (Note: My system developed an immunity to Democratism much earlier.) >but it was time for a new face-enter stage > left, > Bill "Master Grifter" Clinton to step up and take the reigns for a few years, > > until Bush jr's ready to follow in Daddy's bloody footprints; as the old > saying go's, "the show must go on." > We shall see. If George W. is elected in 2000, we'll all recognize the show from having read the book. Jim DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] As Impeachment Looms, Clinton Seems In Denial (Reuters)
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 98-12-21 16:56:34 EST, you write: << All of this is quite logical. BC is obviously a patsy, a useful idiot if you will, a man who will do or say whatever he is told as long as he is allowed to hold office, and solely for the privilege of holding office at that - he has no apparent princlples of any sort. Bush on the other hand, we all know, is well connected. But here is what confuses me - Bush handed over the presidency to Clinton in 1992. From my observation of the campaign of 1992, George Bush was not seriously running. We also recall that Clinton was the only presidential candidate from either party to attend the Baden Baden Bilderberg conclave in 1991. Did Bush play a key role in the decision to retire him(self) as a one-term president? Doesn't seem to make sense but at the same time (in my opinion) he seemed to know the outcome of the November, '92 election long in advance. Incidentally, does anyone recall what brought Bush's poll numbers down so rapidly in the year and a half between the end of the Gulf War and that election? Jim >> Bush knew his time was up when David Rockefeller gave his full endorsement of Bill Clinton in an interview with The New York Times on October 16, 1992. George had been a faithfull mule and water carrier for the Oligarchy, he was solely responsible for the Gulf War conflagration and the terrible consequences it brought to approximately 150,000/250,000 American troops (not to mention ten's of thousands of Iraqi civilians; can't kill Saddam, he's cast to re-play the bad guy many times, especially now it would seem) who now suffer with Gulf War Illness, but it was time for a new face-enter stage left, Bill "Master Grifter" Clinton to step up and take the reigns for a few years, until Bush jr's ready to follow in Daddy's bloody footprints; as the old saying go's, "the show must go on." DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] As Impeachment Looms, Clinton Seems In Denial (Reuters)
-Caveat Lector- I do believe that Bush needed to get out of the spotlight. Also the Democractic majority of the populace demands that the Republicans allows some Demos in office, hopefully controlled, at least a controlled besmirching. It allows the Hegellian process its latitudes. Bush was there for 12 years. Through his daddy there was nixon for many more. Clinton's downfall has been well orchestrated for us, hoi polloi and inspiring elites. And look at the dept of Justice very little staff changes and what did took forever. Remember Clinton was 'partners' in Mena, etc. And I am sure that behind the scenes real deal is much different than what is presented to us hoi polloi. The hand of intell, the military and secret societies are everwhere. Just read Quigley the only guy Clinton mentioned when he got nomiated and inaugarated. He said lets stop the intrigue -kinda like The target is our Republic, Freedoms and Liberties. The arming of the populace with hatred towards other segements of the populace is following along the lines of the social dissanonce that was apparent during pre-wwII. Read the protocols, the unedited versions without all the anti-semtism and you will find laid out a very concise plan for 'taking over/ controlling the world'. John Daniel gives a very interesting history to those documents. The problem is the internet is busting that plan by removing 'the dominating voice' and has the possibilty of doing away with the controlled money systems of today. By freeing people's acces to each other and mediums of media, the social reverberations are only just beginng to be explored and understood. Info and money are two of the strongest of dominating factors used by the cryptocracy. I am sure that contingacy plans are already in place to try and use the situation for advantage of those in powerful positions. A velveta revolution? Some forms of anarchy.? The continual stacking of straws on the camel back, into cynisim and blame. Then blame goes searching for victims. The divisiveness of somethings on this list shows some of the strata and other list and boards can give you an appreciation of other very divisive issues. Each carry-on with it's folks always blaming the other. Many of the extremes seem 'staged' and I suppose they are. I mean why did the CIA pay Gloria Steinham for? And how many other of the 'social causes' are just hegellian tools to help build and codify natural divisions of age, class, etc? Once the ball is rolling it either snowballs and/or its on to next 'cause'. Om K In a message dated 12/21/98 1:56:34 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Bush handed over the presidency >to Clinton in 1992. From my observation of the campaign of 1992, George Bush >was not seriously running. We also recall that Clinton was the only >presidential candidate from either party to attend the Baden Baden Bilderberg >conclave in 1991. Did Bush play a key role in the decision to retire him(self) >as a one-term president? Doesn't seem to make sense but at the same time (in >my opinion) he seemed to know the outcome of the November, '92 election long >in advance. Incidentally, does anyone recall what brought Bush's poll numbers >down so rapidly in the year and a half between the end of the Gulf War and >that election? > >Jim - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, Omnia Bona Bonis, All My Relations. Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End Kris DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] As Impeachment Looms, Clinton Seems In Denial (Reuters)
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/20/98 12:20:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > << Assuming that China is > making a profit on all the goods they are selling to US, where is all this > money going to? Well, one is to the continued erosion of any US national > manufacturing expertise and capability. All paid for by US, slick trick, > hunh. > > The clinton / cosco etc. sideshow is to keep the 'dogs' at 'command' and >> > > > Interesting comments Kris. Ones that I will give due consideration. We are > not in disagreement about Bush's relationship to Clinton. No comparison, > Bush > is the REAL wheeler-dealer and THE mover and shaker. Clinton is indeed > somewhat of a patsy (snip) All of this is quite logical. BC is obviously a patsy, a useful idiot if you will, a man who will do or say whatever he is told as long as he is allowed to hold office, and solely for the privilege of holding office at that - he has no apparent princlples of any sort. Bush on the other hand, we all know, is well connected. But here is what confuses me - Bush handed over the presidency to Clinton in 1992. From my observation of the campaign of 1992, George Bush was not seriously running. We also recall that Clinton was the only presidential candidate from either party to attend the Baden Baden Bilderberg conclave in 1991. Did Bush play a key role in the decision to retire him(self) as a one-term president? Doesn't seem to make sense but at the same time (in my opinion) he seemed to know the outcome of the November, '92 election long in advance. Incidentally, does anyone recall what brought Bush's poll numbers down so rapidly in the year and a half between the end of the Gulf War and that election? Jim DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] As Impeachment Looms, Clinton Seems In Denial (Reuters)
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: >Why expect more from me? I agree with you wholeheartedly. But it is >unlikely >that we will get him for the big stuff so I say get him for what we can. >As >for there being plenty more of the republicans who are assholes and rich, >absolutely but nowhere do I say we should cozy up to them. I think they >are >all a bunch of assholes and I totally agree with you that it is the >SYSTEM as >it operates (not as it was designed, perhaps) that needs to be changed. >Hang >them all? Yes, absolutely! I am NOT a republican, and DO NOT support >anything they do any more than I support anything the democrats do. You >are >right about one other thing too, when the republican fat cats pay you off >you >stay bought or you die. Simple equation. >Teo1000 ditto; maybe i just thought i saw something. we have the same position pretty much. sometimes the words just get in the way. post on. salute' chris DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] As Impeachment Looms, Clinton Seems In Denial (Reuters)
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/19/98 11:42:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Assuming that China is making a profit on all the goods they are selling to US, where is all this money going to? Well, one is to the continued erosion of any US national manufacturing expertise and capability. All paid for by US, slick trick, hunh. The clinton / cosco etc. sideshow is to keep the 'dogs' at 'command' and >> Interesting comments Kris. Ones that I will give due consideration. We are not in disagreement about Bush's relationship to Clinton. No comparison, Bush is the REAL wheeler-dealer and THE mover and shaker. Clinton is indeed somewhat of a patsy as I stated but should we allow those in office to continue to get away with everything and not raise a ruckus? Should we not execute our will and demand that something be done? Well, in retrospect maybe we SHOULDN'T, since we already know that this thing is already mapped out and determined. Senate will not convict, and he will continue, making everyone happy and getting a lot of shit done behind the scenes when nobody is watching. Maybe we should be looking for the man behind the curtain rather than the show that is before us. i am just as cynical as you are Kris knowing full well where this is going, but damn it is frustrating and I want what is best for our country and can't help but feel that one good thing would be to let him take his lumps and maybe cause some people to wake up and take some political action as a result of this. Who Knows? Some people don't vote any more because it is who "they" want to be elected who finally is elected. Why should we care? Maybe we shouldn't after all it is just a play for the public's benefit. Teo1000 DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] As Impeachment Looms, Clinton Seems In Denial (Reuters)
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/19/98 7:51:27 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Now as to Bush still being ringleader, I find that completely possible >in an overarching non-direct way, but he must be out of the loop in some of >what Clinton does in order for my theories about Clinton and China to be true. China is really where the Boodle Boys are quite well founded. Mao was taught and was a teacher with S&B, yale institutions in China. First and almost all official liasons have been S&B. Also follow the boys and the money. A short quick lesson in econ. A few efficent manufacturing plants running 24 hours a day can crank-out all the stuff the world will consume in most any given commodity. Gee, where us most of that production now? In 'COMMUNIST' China, The goods get paid for with 'money earnings', Assuming that China is making a profit on all the goods they are selling to US, where is all this money going to? Well, one is to the continued erosion of any US national manufacturing expertise and capability. All paid for by US, slick trick, hunh. The clinton / cosco etc. sideshow is to keep the 'dogs' at 'command' and 'rabid'. What we are fed is not reality but some pap for us to react to. Much better to have reactive patsies than active corespondents. Then ya gota deal with chess game and play has commenced. My daddy said over thirty years ago. "The Vietnam War is about Drugs. There are these secret societies behind it. Communism is all a SHAM. These same secret societies are behind it all. Right-on Pops. Understand the ramifications of my daddy's words. And understand that he was branch chief head of East asia for the CIA, and in OSS before that. Billy is quite the junior to mister Bush. Look at the 1912 campaign and the parallels. NAFTA/GATT instead of the FED, but a three party race to make sure billy-boy the anointed one made it in , in a most believable way. Accomplishment of approved tasks whilst other ideas used as fodder for partisianship, not citizen's welfare. MHO Billy boy , Billy Boy, Billy Boy Where is our charming Billy Is he going to the well? To catch a little hell Or will he be gone 'ere the morrow? Naw, he'll stay, 'they' like the tension and what it is doing to the guts and the polarization, where or where wilt cometh the sparke? Cynical yours, Om K - DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] As Impeachment Looms, Clinton Seems In Denial (Reuters)
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/19/98 1:10:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << the only difference between the republicrats and the democans is that the republicrats can afford to make sure that those whose silence have been bought, stay bought. they keep that power because they have and continue to rob the country blind. you are being just a little narrow, jumping on the 'hang clinton' bandwagon. i expected more from you teo. the whole damned system needs to be hanged. i, for one, would not rub elbows with republicrat scum, no matter what clinton did. and not that i am particularly for clinton either. if history does him any justice; bush will go down on history as one of the biggest criminal assholes to ever walk this planet, a free man. and there are plenty more like him. i want to see clinton hanged for his crimes but hang him for the real thing, not this made up, so-called case against him. and while we are at it, let's hang the whole system wherein the real criminals are not in jail but running and ruining, our lives from wash. dc. hang em all chris >> Why expect more from me? I agree with you wholeheartedly. But it is unlikely that we will get him for the big stuff so I say get him for what we can. As for there being plenty more of the republicans who are assholes and rich, absolutely but nowhere do I say we should cozy up to them. I think they are all a bunch of assholes and I totally agree with you that it is the SYSTEM as it operates (not as it was designed, perhaps) that needs to be changed. Hang them all? Yes, absolutely! I am NOT a republican, and DO NOT support anything they do any more than I support anything the democrats do. You are right about one other thing too, when the republican fat cats pay you off you stay bought or you die. Simple equation. Teo1000 DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] As Impeachment Looms, Clinton Seems In Denial (Reuters)
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/19/98 1:05:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, Roads End writes: << I say Mr. Bush is farther-up the puppet-master line. Clinton is more patsy than president, MHO. The impeachment proceedings are very destructive to our body politic/republic, that is why it is being proceeded along partisan lines. The federal government, excepting the few mavericks, has been highly corrupt for years and our idealism is used against us. Now, don't get me wrong. I do not care for Clinton, voted third party, but this 'dumbing down' of presidential impeachment and orchestrated scandal is downright funky and is not in the republic best interest. Clinton is much more captive, gee, do you think that anyone might have any blackmailable info on Billy-boy? Let us get real , get beyond our own partisan viewpoint and stand back to see the 'big picture'. Partisan impeachment is divisive on its face; Disgusting in its wake and destructive for our institutions. Om >> Well said, and I might agree with you but it is a purely political thing anyway, outside of our efforts to change it. The House will vote for impeachment and pass the ball to the Senate where everyone knows they don't have enough votes to put him out, they are all trying to cover each other's asses. Now as to Bush still being ringleader, I find that completely possible in an overarching non-direct way, but he must be out of the loop in some of what Clinton does in order for my theories about Clinton and China to be true. He will not be removed, so it is really a moot point. Clinton is a patsy in some ways but all too knowledgeable and accountable in other ways. I disagree that a constitutional process could be bad for the republic. Maybe some other, better good will come of it if it indeed forces out other issues of more immediate concern and brings down a lot of the goon republicans and not a few other democrats in office as well. I'm flexible, but as I say the political process is already in place to try and save everyone's bacon so it is unlikely that this will lead anywhere. One point I will grant in considering this just now, if the process continues it could lead to more needless deaths when Clinton decides to attack East Hicksburg because they are a "security threat" to the US, in another wag the dog scenario. Teo1000 DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] As Impeachment Looms, Clinton Seems In Denial (Reuters)
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: >PS I know that Prudy will respond with "well why didn't we get Bush?" >because >that's the only mantra she knows to ward off the evil that surrounds >Clinton. >The answer is that he was TOO powerful and had TOO MUCH money. I don't >like >it and never will but let us effect change NOW before it is too late, >CLINTON >is president NOW not BUSH. Will we always dwell in the past? Why not >just >sit back like idiots and dream of the days of glory under Kennedy instead >of >actually doing something? It is stupid that is why. >PPS I have nothing against Prudy or other Clinton and democrat supporters >EXCEPT that they refuse to see the truth, It is not personal. >Have a nice day? the only difference between the republicrats and the democans is that the republicrats can afford to make sure that those whose silence have been bought, stay bought. they keep that power because they have and continue to rob the country blind. you are being just a little narrow, jumping on the 'hang clinton' bandwagon. i expected more from you teo. the whole damned system needs to be hanged. i, for one, would not rub elbows with republicrat scum, no matter what clinton did. and not that i am particularly for clinton either. if history does him any justice; bush will go down on history as one of the biggest criminal assholes to ever walk this planet, a free man. and there are plenty more like him. i want to see clinton hanged for his crimes but hang him for the real thing, not this made up, so-called case against him. and while we are at it, let's hang the whole system wherein the real criminals are not in jail but running and ruining, our lives from wash. dc. hang em all chris DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] As Impeachment Looms, Clinton Seems In Denial (Reuters)
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/19/98 9:31:53 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >CLINTON >is president NOW not BUSH. I say Mr. Bush is farther-up the puppet-master line. Clinton is more patsy than president, MHO. The impeachment proceedings are very destructive to our body politic/republic, that is why it is being proceeded along partisan lines. The federal government, excepting the few mavericks, has been highly corrupt for years and our idealism is used against us. Now, don't get me wrong. I do not care for Clinton, voted third party, but this 'dumbing down' of presidential impeachment and orchestrated scandal is downright funky and is not in the republic best interest. Clinton is much more captive, gee, do you think that anyone might have any blackmailable info on Billy-boy? Let us get real , get beyond our own partisan viewpoint and stand back to see the 'big picture'. Partisan impeachment is divisive on its face; Disgusting in its wake and destructive for our institutions. Om K DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] As Impeachment Looms, Clinton Seems In Denial (Reuters)
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/19/98 7:21:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << The other plus is that this business just might get the Democrats back in control of Congress. Prudy >> That way there won't be any more bickering and the Dem.'s can sell all the technology to China and maybe Russia too, so that they can realm their missiles at us with greater precision. The Republican's are evil but at least you KNOW it is coming Dem.'s are much more wolves in sheep's clothing 'cause they are just as bad if not worse than the republicans [except George Bush who IS the antichrist], but act as if they are not. Clinton and Dem.'s are for the "working man" and the people and "against" corporations, that is the propaganda but nothing could be further from the truth, look at GATT, and NAFTA and it's devastating effect on our workforce. He is pushing MAI and the IMF which is just monetary Mafia dictating how others should run their own countries. This message is for anyone who isn't a knee jerk Democratic robot, like Prudy, who thinks that the Dem.'s are angels and the rep's devils and that Clinton is practically god manifest and can do NO wrong but let the rep's say one word and it is jump all over them. This message is for people who are tired of the same old shit in Washington. For people who want a revolution that will take us legally back to true representative democracy and constitutional law. I think Clinton should be hanged for his TREASON, selling out our national defense for MONEY, what happened to the CIA guy who got caught doing the same thing? Where is he? I don't give a rat's ass whether he had sex or lied or committed perjury. They won't go after him for the important things because they will implicate themselves. It HAS to be personal in order to get them off the hook. Political expediency. So we have the situation as it is, Clinton has committed crimes, they are sufficient for his removal so get him the hell out, I wish we could go after more and get him for treason and all the rest but why not take one step at a time? Prudy and other Clinton die-hard lovers, please keep your heads firmly buried in the sand because if you saw the reality you might think that your one sided view is badly distorted which could cause some trauma, I don't want to be the cause of that, thank you very much. Teo1000 PS I know that Prudy will respond with "well why didn't we get Bush?" because that's the only mantra she knows to ward off the evil that surrounds Clinton. The answer is that he was TOO powerful and had TOO MUCH money. I don't like it and never will but let us effect change NOW before it is too late, CLINTON is president NOW not BUSH. Will we always dwell in the past? Why not just sit back like idiots and dream of the days of glory under Kennedy instead of actually doing something? It is stupid that is why. PPS I have nothing against Prudy or other Clinton and democrat supporters EXCEPT that they refuse to see the truth, It is not personal. Have a nice day? DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] As Impeachment Looms, Clinton Seems In Denial (Reuters)
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/18/98 4:38:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Well this is interesting... Correct me if I am wrong but, once it goes to a vote and if he is impeached isn't there automatically a criminal trial? I understood that if he resigned and was pardoned then he wouldn't face a trial. So, if he "appears" unconcerned I have to ask, what Ace does he have up his sleeve? Hilary >> I don't think he has an ace up his sleeve. I think he is a pragmatic individual who realizes that even God could not stop the Republicans from this impeachment program, so what good does it do to waste time and worry on it. Some women may understand. It's like being pregnant. You just relax and wait for the outcome. I even called my own congressman, Phil English, to tell him to vote for impeachment. We might as well get on with it. This way the Republican Party won't have to punish him for disobeying orders, and he may get decent committee seats and be able to do the people in his district some good. The other plus is that this business just might get the Democrats back in control of Congress. Prudy DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] As Impeachment Looms, Clinton Seems In Denial (Reuters)
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are 55 Republicans in the Senate, it will take 66 votes to convict. Conviction will not happen. Will there be a 'paralyzing' trial'? I believe that a natural defense for any later criminal trial would be 'double jeopardy'. I believe Clinton has stated that he would not except a pardon for his 'alleged' crimes. His ace? He knows whom he got his 'job' from? Tranquilzers, etc . . .? MJ: Article I, Section 3, Clause 6: ... no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present. ^^^ ^^ ^^ ^^^ ^^^ ^^^ 67 in the case of 100. The Senate is NOT the House ... Clinton finds many Ds in opposition to what he has done to THEIR party and its tradition. It would NOT be advisable to 'jump' so quickly. Regard$, --MJ I am certain that nothing has done so much to destroy the juridicial safeguards of individual freedom as the striving after this mirage of social justice. -- Fredrich von Hayek, Economic Freedom and Representative Government; 1973 DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] As Impeachment Looms, Clinton Seems In Denial (Reuters)
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/18/98 2:22:19 PM, RoadsEnd wrote: >I believe Clinton has stated that he would not except a pardon for >his 'alleged' crimes. Ok, I meant accept -- I believe Clinton has stated that he would not accept a pardon for his 'alleged' crimes. Sorry, Om K DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] As Impeachment Looms, Clinton Seems In Denial (Reuters)
-Caveat Lector- Hilary, There are 55 Republicans in the Senate, it will take 66 votes to convict. Conviction will not happen. Will there be a 'paralyzing' trial'? I believe that a natural defense for any later criminal trial would be 'double jeopardy'. I believe Clinton has stated that he would not except a pardon for his 'alleged' crimes. His ace? He knows whom he got his 'job' from? Tranquilzers, etc . . .? Om K In a message dated 12/18/98 1:38:25 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Well this is interesting... Correct me if I am wrong but, once it goes to a > >vote and if he is impeached isn't there automatically a criminal trial? I > >understood that if he resigned and was pardoned then he wouldn't face a > >trial. So, if he "appears" unconcerned I have to ask, what Ace does he have > >up his sleeve? > > > >Hilary DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] As Impeachment Looms, Clinton Seems In Denial (Reuters)
-Caveat Lector- Well this is interesting... Correct me if I am wrong but, once it goes to a vote and if he is impeached isn't there automatically a criminal trial? I understood that if he resigned and was pardoned then he wouldn't face a trial. So, if he "appears" unconcerned I have to ask, what Ace does he have up his sleeve? Hilary -Original Message- From: Robert Tatman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Friday, December 18, 1998 2:28 PM Subject: [CTRL] As Impeachment Looms, Clinton Seems In Denial (Reuters) > -Caveat Lector- > >As Impeachment Looms, Clinton Seems In Denial > >WASHINGTON (Reuters) - To hear White House aides tell it Friday, President >Clinton is dealing with the gravest moment of his presidency his >all-but-certain impeachment -- with near total denial. > >As the House of Representatives began to debate impeaching Clinton, the >political equivalent of an indictment that will put his fate in the hands of a >Senate trial, aides painted him as almost too busy with other matters to pay >attention. > >Clinton began his day with a mid-morning briefing on the continuing air >strikes he launched against Iraq Wednesday, plunging the United States into a >dual crisis of military action and only the second House vote in its history >on impeaching a president. > >He was to stay closeted in meetings, including a working lunch with European >Union officials, until well past sunset discussing such matters as the >minutiae of the federal budget, the spread of AIDS and the coming monetary >union in Europe. > >In between, the White House said Clinton had just one meeting that touched >on his probable impeachment a session with wavering Connecticut >Republican Congressman Christopher Shays that the president did not even >request. > >Asked if Clinton had a message for Shays, who is having second thoughts >about his plans to vote against impeachment, White House spokesman Joe >Lockhart said: ``No ... Shays says he had some things he wants to talk to the >president about. The president will be glad to listen and make his case.'' > >Lockhart said he did not know whether Clinton would have time to watch the >impeachment debate being broadcast live on television, saying that if he did >it would only be in passing. > >But the portrait of studied unconcern painted by the White House was >undermined at mid-morning when first lady Hillary Rodham Clinton broke her >recent silence about the Republican drive to impeach her husband for his >efforts to conceal his affair with former White House intern Monica Lewinsky. > >Walking to the White House South Lawn, where she tied a red ribbon to a Ford >Explorer to remind people not to drive drunk during the holidays, Mrs. Clinton >made an appeal for the country to find a way out of the mess. > >``In this holiday season, as we celebrate Christmas, Hanukkah and Ramadan >and it's time for reflection and reconciliation among people, we in our >country ought to practice reconciliation and we ought to bring our country >together,'' she said. > >``We ought to end divisiveness, because we can do so much more together,'' >she said in response to a reporter's question. > >Lockhart continued to argue that Clinton, who faces charges of perjury, >obstruction of justice and abuse of power, had done nothing that warranted his >impeachment. > >But he could not deflect growing certainty that the Republicans have the votes >in the House to force an impeachment and prolong the crisis into next year, >when the Senate would be expected to hold a trial presided over by Chief >Justice William Rehnquist. > >``If members can put the politics, the cynicism, the partisanship aside, then >I think that they will come to the same conclusion that we do,'' Lockhart >said. ``If they can't, then we may have a different result.'' > >= >Robert F. Tatman >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. > >NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For >more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml > >POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. > > >More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMai
[CTRL] As Impeachment Looms, Clinton Seems In Denial (Reuters)
-Caveat Lector- As Impeachment Looms, Clinton Seems In Denial WASHINGTON (Reuters) - To hear White House aides tell it Friday, President Clinton is dealing with the gravest moment of his presidency his all-but-certain impeachment -- with near total denial. As the House of Representatives began to debate impeaching Clinton, the political equivalent of an indictment that will put his fate in the hands of a Senate trial, aides painted him as almost too busy with other matters to pay attention. Clinton began his day with a mid-morning briefing on the continuing air strikes he launched against Iraq Wednesday, plunging the United States into a dual crisis of military action and only the second House vote in its history on impeaching a president. He was to stay closeted in meetings, including a working lunch with European Union officials, until well past sunset discussing such matters as the minutiae of the federal budget, the spread of AIDS and the coming monetary union in Europe. In between, the White House said Clinton had just one meeting that touched on his probable impeachment a session with wavering Connecticut Republican Congressman Christopher Shays that the president did not even request. Asked if Clinton had a message for Shays, who is having second thoughts about his plans to vote against impeachment, White House spokesman Joe Lockhart said: ``No ... Shays says he had some things he wants to talk to the president about. The president will be glad to listen and make his case.'' Lockhart said he did not know whether Clinton would have time to watch the impeachment debate being broadcast live on television, saying that if he did it would only be in passing. But the portrait of studied unconcern painted by the White House was undermined at mid-morning when first lady Hillary Rodham Clinton broke her recent silence about the Republican drive to impeach her husband for his efforts to conceal his affair with former White House intern Monica Lewinsky. Walking to the White House South Lawn, where she tied a red ribbon to a Ford Explorer to remind people not to drive drunk during the holidays, Mrs. Clinton made an appeal for the country to find a way out of the mess. ``In this holiday season, as we celebrate Christmas, Hanukkah and Ramadan and it's time for reflection and reconciliation among people, we in our country ought to practice reconciliation and we ought to bring our country together,'' she said. ``We ought to end divisiveness, because we can do so much more together,'' she said in response to a reporter's question. Lockhart continued to argue that Clinton, who faces charges of perjury, obstruction of justice and abuse of power, had done nothing that warranted his impeachment. But he could not deflect growing certainty that the Republicans have the votes in the House to force an impeachment and prolong the crisis into next year, when the Senate would be expected to hold a trial presided over by Chief Justice William Rehnquist. ``If members can put the politics, the cynicism, the partisanship aside, then I think that they will come to the same conclusion that we do,'' Lockhart said. ``If they can't, then we may have a different result.'' = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
