Re: [CTRL] CHRISTIAN COALITION LOSES TAX EXEMPT STATUS

1999-07-04 Thread Howard R. Davis III

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From: Robert Tatman
 The Internal Revenue Service has reportedly ruled that the
 Christian Coalition is so thoroughly partisan that it does not
 deserve tax-exempt status, a development welcomed by People For the
 American Way Foundation President Carole Shields, who called the
 ruling "long overdue but worth the wait."

Any one know if the People For the American Way Foundation is tax exempt?

Howard Davis

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Re: [CTRL] CHRISTIAN COALITION LOSES TAX EXEMPT STATUS

1999-06-12 Thread Eagle 1

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Colleen wrote:
Oh how I want that bunch to go back to Arkansas

Give the HOGS a break...  send 'em to New York where they will be welcomed
with open arms.  I don't think many 'arkies' are too proud of their prodigal
production.

eagle 1


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From: Colleen Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Friday, June 11, 1999 1:57 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] CHRISTIAN COALITION LOSES TAX EXEMPT STATUS


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Always remember the Catholics paid taxes to send protestant children to
school, yet built their own schools for their children.and got no
tax breaks on that.

Religion is politics...you cannot differentiate between the two - for
example, Jesus kicked the gamblers out of the Temple, and look what
happened o him.   Fidel Castro kicked the Mafia out of their gambling
temples, and he is still on a hit list..same people, remember it was
Judas who had the bag

So speaking of bag men; exmple of corruption in governmentit is pay
back time.   This James Carville who called Paula Jones "trailer
trash"this is symbolic of how the present administration feels about
the less affluent.this man is now doing advertisements for Alka
Seltzer, and appeared in a movienow normally, in the old days to
return favors, the Mafia would let certain people win at the gambling
tables.

Now how much was Carville paid to go on TV and call Paula Jones "trailer
trash" because she got involved innocently, in Clinton's crude, vulger,
sick life.and who really paid when Ms. Jones won her lawsuit.why
friends and did Mr. Clinton pay taxes on these "gifts"or were these
political contributions.did he pay taxes on the gifts he received
from China where the secrets of the neutron bomb were given awayyet
he would like to take guns away from law abiding citizens.

Add all this crap up, and the corruption begins in the Oval
Officeand the revenge is, take out the Christian Coalition, and get
them where it hurts.meanwhile Carville, how much will he pay in
taxes, this ugly, obscene, liar who now is becoming a movie star - even
though minute roles.pay back time.

Tax the Churchbiblical law, render unto Ceasar.but remember,
Clinton.the pervert responsible for these decision on the part of
the fedsfor we all know in our hearts, federal judges are the worst
judges money can buy.

Goodbye Clintonand for a laughtonite Mrs. Clinton appeared with
the President, along with the New York Yankeesbut, take a look at
the faces of the team, they were not laughing, and believe me, the
Clintons looked rather uncomfortablebut remember too, organized
crimes owns organized sports.

So it is not only pay back time, it would seem that the Clintons would
now use the New York Yankees, to help push this carpetbagger into
office.

If these people have no property, no home other than the White
House.and have lived off the public for all those years.where
are they registered to vote?  As the home base, of course.Cinton
vacated the Governor's Office.but where did they hang there hat to
meet qualifications to run for office.

Oh how I want that bunch to go back to Arkansas

colleen

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Re: [CTRL] CHRISTIAN COALITION LOSES TAX EXEMPT STATUS

1999-06-12 Thread YnrChyldzWyld

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On Sat, 12 Jun 1999, Eagle 1 wrote:
Oh how I want that bunch to go back to Arkansas

Give the HOGS a break...  send 'em to New York where they will be welcomed
with open arms.

Like HELL they will!


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Re: [CTRL] CHRISTIAN COALITION LOSES TAX EXEMPT STATUS

1999-06-12 Thread Eagle 1

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Colleen wrote
If these people have no property, no home other than the White
House.and have lived off the public for all those years.where
are they registered to vote?  As the home base, of course.Cinton
vacated the Governor's Office.but where did they hang there hat to
meet qualifications to run for office.

Try Fayetteville, Arkansas,  home of the Razorbacks;
northwest Arkansas.
Drive into the town.  A giant sign meets you, and greets you.
... "Home of Bill and Hillary Clinton" ...

That's why I say,  give the 'HOGS' a break,
send 'em to New York where they'd be welcomed with open arms.

But,  June wrote
Like HELL they will!

Well,  then,  do you think the government would go for sponsoring a desert
island for the Clinton's in neutral U.S. territory?  Then you know they
wouldn't be able to vote.  And they'd still be living off the tax payers
dollars.  ( No different than they are now.  Just a different location.  A
lot farther away  :-)

eagle 1

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Re: [CTRL] CHRISTIAN COALITION LOSES TAX EXEMPT STATUS

1999-06-12 Thread Colleen Jones

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I think what I wanted to say re Ms. Clinton running for Sentor from New
Yorknote the 'from" New York.

She would have to meet certain residential qulifications and of course
they would have looked into thisbut she would have to be a legal
resident of New York for at least a year, if their laws are the same as
ours.  You might be able to vote the first year as a new resident in a
State but do you not have to have lived in the State a period of one
year as a registered voter for run for Senate.

You can vote for President most anywhere so long as you are a registered
voter; but to represent the State, you wouwld have had to be a citizen
of the state for a year, unless the law was changed.

Now, anyone else could have said this in 25 words or less; but I am
tired and my keyboard needs a new battery...

Colleen

In other words, can she legally run for the Senate in New York when she
claims residence in Arkansasnow that ws simple.

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Re: [CTRL] CHRISTIAN COALITION LOSES TAX EXEMPT STATUS

1999-06-11 Thread YnrChyldzWyld

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On Thu, 10 Jun 1999, Mike  Kathy Moxley wrote:

Why not tax churches?

Because it's unconstitutional (1st Amendment) and it's double taxation.

The First Amendment says nothing about taxation; the only thing it says
about religion is that Congress shall make no laws establishing a
religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...


Pertinent Ronnie Reagan Quotes:

Quotes from a president who used taxpayer dollars to buy 14kt gold place
settings to eat off of

The public ridiculed Nixon for his attempts to establish an 'imperial
presidency', but the same public rolled over and went to sleep when the
Reagans actually DID it...

Remember, it was during the Reagan Administration that the savings and
loan scandal was brewing, and our current boy Bill was benefitting from a
cozy relationship with the Administration and both that savings and loan
confidence game, and drug running thru that airport in Mena...

Reagan is HARDLY an icon to quote on either morality OR fiscal
responsibility...


Government exists to protect the rights which are ours from birth; the
right to life, to liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.  A man may choose
to sit and fish instead of working -- that's his pursuit of happiness.  He
does not have the right to force his neighbors to support him in his
pursuit because that interferes with their pursuit of happiness.

And what of all the people who are ready and willing to work, but find
that due to the government being in bed with big business, jobs have been
shipped overseas, and those that remain here are now being staffed by
temp workers who don't have to be paid what perm workers are paid, plus
they don't have to pay for sick days, vacations, insurance benefits,
etc.?


June

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Re: [CTRL] CHRISTIAN COALITION LOSES TAX EXEMPT STATUS

1999-06-11 Thread YnrChyldzWyld

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On Thu, 10 Jun 1999, nessie wrote:

Guess who said this:   Render Unto Ceasar that which is Ceasar's; and to
God, that which is Gods.words to that effect,

And what exactly WAS Ceaser's? To most people living in Roman occupied
Palestine, whatever it was, it wasn't anything of theirs.

The statement "Render unto Caesar..." was made by Jesus in answer to a
question specifically about paying taxes to Rome...at which time Jesus
asked the questioner whose picture was on the coins they used to pay
their taxes...and since Caesar's picture was on the coins, Jesus then
stated that therefore the money they used was a construct of the
government, and not of God...

But actually, in studying ancient Biblical texts, a good many Biblical
scholars feel that this passage regarding a Christian's duty to pay taxes
to a secular authority was inserted later...AFTER Constantine had made
Christianity the state religion...  ;-)


What does this tell Christians about who's on whose side?  How many listen?

And according the Biblical scholarship, this account of Jesus driving the
moneychangers out of the temple seems to have been recounted in even the
earliest gospels...

While the passage regarding a Christian's 'duty' to pay taxes was
inserted after Christianity became the state religion...

It seems that it was fine for the early Christians to be taught a
philosophy that 'big business', 'big banking', and the secularization of
religion to the point that church leaders got in bed with political
leaders, or became political leaders themselves, when they were the
underdog...

But when Christianity became the state religion, and the emporer the
automatic head of 'The Holy Roman Empire', then a justification had to be
devised whereby a 'good Christian' would duly render under the new,
Christian Caesar


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Re: [CTRL] CHRISTIAN COALITION LOSES TAX EXEMPT STATUS

1999-06-11 Thread Colleen Jones

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That's what I mean; if Wall Street isn't gambling, what is.some days
you win, some days you loseit is legalized gamblingand when they
sucker in all the little investors, that is when it goes bust.

Thanks though.guess Castro and Wall Street have little in
commonbut Christ and Castro?   Well in Castro's favor, he did give
those gambling Temples owned by Lanskey to the people for orphanages,
and we were told Oh, This terrible man turned communist on us.the
man was a Marxist all the time...but he has prevailed after all these
years...the gang that could not shoot straight, that is.

colleen

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Re: [CTRL] CHRISTIAN COALITION LOSES TAX EXEMPT STATUS

1999-06-11 Thread Colleen Jones

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By the way June, State Government in Ohio did the same thing; a Rhodes
Scholarby the name of Richard Celeste back in early eighties wanted to
move from Govenor to President, assisted the Unionin the door.then
said there was no more Civil Service

Well these idiots said the Union contract would supersede the state
laws.and that was there mistake, because evidently they did not
know, the Constitution of the State of Ohio set up Civil Serviceand
in a case I had I used that one

So Union workers in the State, which is nearly everybody, renders unto
Cesar and unto the Union, which then takes their money and gives it to
candidates whom they do not likebut the Union married the State,
what Hoffa would call a "sweetheart" Union.my happiest day was when
Celeste got tromped, and didn't have time to spend his war chest...

But during the Union.friends of friends go the promotions, and
illitrate individuals some who could not read nor write. some of whom
stole the Union blind.and got caughtgot jobs - but that finally
got tripped up, and I helped do it.

What is odd.during the big Union Wars with the Big Railroads - the
Unions and the men of Big Business both used the bible, as their
authority to do what they didand big business pulled in the
Pinkertons who formed the first Secret Service, for hired killers to
kill and hurt th workers.

There is a season for all things; it seems when one one goes to far to
the left, the independent vote comes to the rescue, and when it goes too
far to the right, the good old independent vote brings it around again.

When a good Union Man dies, it used to be they gave his family a bible;
today with women in the Union, when someonedies, they merely take you
name off the dues checkoff list - and goodbye old pal.

Thats what happens when the Union Heads, the man at the top, joins the
CFR and sells out the Union.

Joining a Union, is just like when the States joined the Union.try
and get out.

Colleen

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Re: [CTRL] CHRISTIAN COALITION LOSES TAX EXEMPT STATUS

1999-06-11 Thread Colleen Jones

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Wow, that last one got away and I should have used the spell check - I
do know the difference between "their" and "there"well, what the
hell.nobody to edit my work anymore.

Forgive me Juneprobably gave you another or a gray hair on this one.

Colleen

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Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] CHRISTIAN COALITION LOSES TAX EXEMPT STATUS]

1999-06-11 Thread Robert Tatman

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nessie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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 Guess who said this:   Render Unto Ceasar that which is Ceasar's; and to
 God, that which is Gods.words to that effect,

 And what exactly WAS Ceaser's? To most people living in Roman occupied
 Palestine, whatever it was, it wasn't anything of theirs.

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You know, if you look at that story in full historical context, it takes on a
somewhat different importance. Because of the prohibition on worship of other
gods, the Temple priests coined special money *for use only in the Temple*.
The moneychangers were there specifically to change "unclean" coins for
"clean" ones that could properly be used by worshippers. Like all
moneychangers, of course, they adjusted the exchange rate to benefit
themselves and their patrons on the Temple staff...and it was in fact the
exhorbitant fees charged for changing money, as well as for sacrificial
animals, that Jesus was objecting to when he scourged the moneychangers out of
the Temple. Remember, "you have made it a den of thieves"--literally.

And there's another element operating. Jesus is sitting *in the Temple
precincts*, probably in the Porch of the Gentiles, with his disciples. When
that Pharisee poses the question about paying taxes, Jesus asks him for a
coin--specifically a denarius, that is, a *Roman* coin. This was, quite
frankly, a trap for the Pharisee. Roman coins at that time bore the image of
the Emperor Tiberius. And Tiberius had recently been deified in the Province
of Syria, which Jerusalem was part of. So this utterly stupid Pharisee pulls a
denarius out of his purse...thus admitting openly that he has flouted the
Temple priesthood's interpretation of Mosaic law by bringing the graven image
of another god into the Temple. And Jesus rubs the Pharisee's face in this
faux pas by telling him curtly, "Give Caesar the things that are Caesar's;
give God the things that are God's." Yep, you better believe the crowd loved
it...

Bob

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Re: [CTRL] CHRISTIAN COALITION LOSES TAX EXEMPT STATUS

1999-06-10 Thread William Shannon

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Well AMEN!!! It's about bloody time!!!

Bill.

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Re: [CTRL] CHRISTIAN COALITION LOSES TAX EXEMPT STATUS

1999-06-10 Thread Colleen Jones

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I always thought it was illegal to tax church activity regardless of
their politics.

This decision could be reversed without a doubt; and this is how bad the
IRS is.

One year on a form, and this got me into a bit of troublethe form
said I could deduct my taxes.and I did - but I deducted the federal
taxes I paid, and got away with it for a couple of years only because, I
had answered the questions honestly..however when the experts found
out what I had done, they went after me for back taxes, but at the same
time, showed me how to save money.so we broke even.

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Re: [CTRL] CHRISTIAN COALITION LOSES TAX EXEMPT STATUS

1999-06-10 Thread William Shannon

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In a message dated 6/10/99 5:47:19 PM Central Daylight Time,
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 I always thought it was illegal to tax church activity regardless of
 their politics. 

No Colleen, ya' can't be overtly partisan, as the so-called Christian
Coalition has been for years...
here's hoping they'll go after back taxes...would serve Pat and his fruity
pals right!!

Bill.

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Re: [CTRL] CHRISTIAN COALITION LOSES TAX EXEMPT STATUS

1999-06-10 Thread Mike Kathy Moxley

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At 06:47 PM 6/10/99 -0400, you wrote:
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I always thought it was illegal to tax church activity regardless of
their politics.


It is.  However, if a church is an incorporated 501(c) church then they are
technically "state" churches and must remain unpartisan.  They must abide
by the IRS rules.

They could un-incorporate by cancelling their IRS 501(c) status.  Then they
could do whatever they wanted without government interference.  The first
amendment applies.  And the government may NOT tax a non-501(c)
unincorporated church. A church is a group of individual people who have
already paid income taxes.  Taxing a church is double taxation.  The
fallacy lies in the thought that a church could be a corporation.  When a
church incorporates it voluntarily gives up some Constitutional rights and
comes under the IRS rules.  Just as one gives up certain rights when they
sign the 1040 income tax form.

Many churches are now finding out that they do not have to incorporate and
there are many new "Unregistered" churches springing up all over.  The feds
hate it, hence, Waco.  But then the Feds hate the Constitution, too.

The God of incorporated churches, by the churches own free will, is the
Federal Government.
Unregistered churches owe no allegiance except to Jesus Christ.

I wonder what the status of "The People For The Socialist Way" is.
---
"The rising greatness of our country...is greatly tarnished by the general
prevalence of deism, which, with me, is but another name for vice and
depravityI hear it is said by the deists that I am one of their number;
and indeed that some good people think I am no Christian. This thought
gives me much more pain than the appellation of Tory (being called a
traitor), because I think religion of infinitely higher importance than
politicsBeing a Christian...is a character which I prize far above all
this world has or can boast."
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Re: [CTRL] CHRISTIAN COALITION LOSES TAX EXEMPT STATUS

1999-06-10 Thread Linda Minor

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Colleen Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I always thought it was illegal to tax church activity regardless of
their politics.

This decision could be reversed without a doubt; and this is how bad the
IRS is.

==

from:
http://www.au.org/pr7-9.htm

TEXAS PREACHER'S POLITICKING COULD CAUSE CHURCH TO LOSE ITS TAX EXEMPTION,
CHURCH-STATE WATCHDOG GROUP SAYS

CENSORSHIP CRUSADER URGES CONGREGATION TO VOTE 'INFIDELS' OFF WICHITA FALLS
CITY COUNCIL

Background Information
from July Church  State

 A Texas preacher's threat to drive the "infidels" off the Wichita Falls
City Council could bring Internal Revenue Service scrutiny and the loss of
his congregation's federal tax-exempt status, a church-state watchdog group
has charged.

In a recent message to his flock at the First Baptist Church, the Rev.
Robert Jeffress said America is a Christian nation and congregants should
defeat city council members at the polls if they refuse to ban two books
with gay themes from the local public library. According to the June 29
Wichita Falls Times Record News, Jeffress challenged his congregation to
"vote out the infidels who would deny God and his word."

The pastor noted that city council races traditionally attract low voter
turnout and urged his congregation, which claims 8,300 members, to vote for
those who agree with their spiritual convictions.

In a July 9 letter to Jeffress, Americans United for Separation of Church
and State warned that the preacher was placing his church's tax exemption in
jeopardy.

"Your comments about how your congregation should vote in the next election
raise serious legal questions.… If you proceed with your plan to use your
church to defeat city council members with whom you disagree," observed the
Rev. Barry W. Lynn, Americans United executive director, "you are placing
the tax-exempt status of your congregation in jeopardy.

"The meaning of your 'vote out the infidels' comment is clear," Lynn added.
"You want city council members to vote your way about library books you find
objectionable, and if they fail to do so, you are instructing your
congregation to vote against them. As such, you have issued a political
threat, and this is exactly the kind of activity that federal tax law is
trying to prevent.

"Pastor Jeffress, you have every right to express your views on public
issues," Lynn explained. "As a Christian minister myself, I treasure the
right of religious organizations to participate in public discourse.
However, you do not have the right to impose your religious views on all
citizens of your community through force of law. America is a diverse
democracy, not a fundamentalist Christian theocracy."

Americans United is currently engaged in a nationwide campaign to educate
clergy about the laws governing church involvement in politics. As part of
the project, churches that violate the rules are being reported to the IRS.

In recent years, Americans United has notified the IRS of 14 religious
institutions that attempted to influence the outcome of elections, including
two churches and one religious radio network in Texas.

Further, in 1992, Americans United alerted the IRS to the activities of the
Church at Pierce Creek in Vestal, N.Y. At that time, the church purchased
full-page advertisements in national newspapers urging readers to vote
against then-candidate Bill Clinton in the 1992 presidential election. Three
years after Americans United reported this blatant example of church
politicking to the IRS, the church's tax exemption was revoked.

Americans United is a religious liberty watchdog group based in Washington,
D.C. Founded in 1947, the organization represents 60,000 members and allied
houses of worship in all 50 states.

-30-

© Americans United for Separation of Church and State, 1998.
All rights reserved.

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Re: [CTRL] CHRISTIAN COALITION LOSES TAX EXEMPT STATUS

1999-06-10 Thread nurev

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Linda Minor wrote:

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 Colleen Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I always thought it was illegal to tax church activity regardless of
 their politics.

 This decision could be reversed without a doubt; and this is how bad the
 IRS is.

 ==

 from:
 http://www.au.org/pr7-9.htm

 TEXAS PREACHER'S POLITICKING COULD CAUSE CHURCH TO LOSE ITS TAX EXEMPTION,
 CHURCH-STATE WATCHDOG GROUP SAYS

 CENSORSHIP CRUSADER URGES CONGREGATION TO VOTE 'INFIDELS' OFF WICHITA FALLS
 CITY COUNCIL

 Background Information
 from July Church  State

  A Texas preacher's threat to drive the "infidels" off the Wichita Falls
 City Council could bring Internal Revenue Service scrutiny and the loss of
 his congregation's federal tax-exempt status, a church-state watchdog group
 has charged.


Why not tax churches? Why do non productive money grubbing religious
institutions get to not pay taxes, while single working parents with
small
children do? Do we not tax them because their perverted leaders need
the
money for Cadilacs, whores, business deals, real estate, and lawyers
to
protect pedophiles?

George Carlin said " TAX THE SHIT OUT OF THEM!"

Get the tax burden off the poor and put it on these perverts, frauds,
charlatans, and thieves.

Joshua2

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Re: [CTRL] CHRISTIAN COALITION LOSES TAX EXEMPT STATUS

1999-06-10 Thread Mike Kathy Moxley

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At 10:38 PM 6/10/99 -0700, you wrote:
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Why not tax churches?

Because it's unconstitutional (1st Amendment) and it's double taxation.

Why do non productive money grubbing religious
institutions get to not pay taxes, while single working parents with
small
children do?

Individuals in churches do pay income taxes.  Single working parents with
small children don't pay any income taxes and actually, thanks to the
socialist engineers, usually get back more than they paid in.  Free money
from my pocket to theirs..(and not a word of thanks.).  The wise elitists
call it "re-distribution of wealth", while most people call it government
created and sanctioned theft.

Do we not tax them because their perverted leaders need
the
money for Cadilacs, whores, business deals, real estate, and lawyers
to
protect pedophiles?


You watch to much TV.  The churches out in the communities are nothing like
that.
KILL your TV, Joshua2.

George Carlin said " TAX THE SHIT OUT OF THEM!"

Now there's an expert worth quoting.


Get the tax burden off the poor and put it on these perverts, frauds,
charlatans, and thieves.

Joshua2


The poor have no tax burden.  The tax burden is on the middle class because
that's where the bulk of production and income is.

--
Pertinent Ronnie Reagan Quotes:
I'm sure that everyone feels sorry for the individual who has fallen by the
wayside or who can't keep up in our competitive society, but my own
compassion goes beyond that to those millions who get up every morning,
send the kids to school, go to work, try to keep up the payments on their
house, pay exorbitant taxes to make possible compassion for the less
fortunate, and as a result have to sacrifice many of their own desires and
dreams and hopes.  Government owes them something better than always
finding a new way to make them share the fruit of **their** toils with
others.
-
Believe me, you cannot create a desert, hand a person a cup of water, and
call that compassion.
-
Government exists to protect the rights which are ours from birth; the
right to life, to liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.  A man may choose
to sit and fish instead of working -- that's his pursuit of happiness.  He
does not have the right to force his neighbors to support him in his
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Re: [CTRL] CHRISTIAN COALITION LOSES TAX EXEMPT STATUS

1999-06-10 Thread nessie

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 Free money from my pocket to theirs..(and not a word of thanks.).  The
wise elitists call it "re-distribution of wealth", while most people call
it government created and sanctioned theft.


And what does the Bible call it? See Acts 2:44.

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Re: [CTRL] CHRISTIAN COALITION LOSES TAX EXEMPT STATUS

1999-06-10 Thread Mike Kathy Moxley

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At 08:28 PM 6/10/99 -0700, you wrote:
 Free money from my pocket to theirs..(and not a word of thanks.).  The
wise elitists call it "re-distribution of wealth", while most people call
it government created and sanctioned theft.


And what does the Bible call it? See Acts 2:44.


The bible calls taking what does not belong to you..theft.

Below is the context of Acts 2:44.

What is described here is called sharing and charity.
Men giving to other men of thier own free will.

Taxing and re-distribution of wealth is the government taking your money
against your will and giving it to others that a government elite chooses
whether you like it or not.

The bible gives no right to government authorities to steal, nor does it
authorize government to be charitable with other peoples money.

---
Ac:2:41: Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the
same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

Ac:2:42: And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and
fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

Ac:2:43: And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were
done by the apostles.

Ac:2:44: And all that believed were together, and had all things common;

Ac:2:45: And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men,
as every man had need.

Ac:2:46: And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and
breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and
singleness of heart,

Ac:2:47: Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord
added to the church daily such as should be saved.
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Re: [CTRL] CHRISTIAN COALITION LOSES TAX EXEMPT STATUS

1999-06-10 Thread Colleen Jones

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Guess who said this:   Render Unto Ceasar that which is Ceasar's; and to
God, that which is Gods.words to that effect, and look what they did
to him - the only man who never complained and drove the gamblers out of
the temples.

Colleen

Screw Ceasar

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1999-06-10 Thread nessie

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Guess who said this:   Render Unto Ceasar that which is Ceasar's; and to
God, that which is Gods.words to that effect,

And what exactly WAS Ceaser's? To most people living in Roman occupied
Palestine, whatever it was, it wasn't anything of theirs.


and look what they did to him - the only man who never complained and
drove the gamblers out of the temples.

They weren't gamblers; they were money changers. The chronology of the
event is telling. When Jesus was  telling people to turn the other cheek,
the government had no problem at all with him preaching in public and
drawing a crowd. But when he said, "Let he that hath no sword sell his
garment and buy one," and went downtown with a whip in his hand and
started kicking banker butt, the government  killed him off pronto.

What does this tell Christians about who's on whose side?  How many listen?

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Re: [CTRL] CHRISTIAN COALITION LOSES TAX EXEMPT STATUS

1999-06-10 Thread Colleen Jones

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Always remember the Catholics paid taxes to send protestant children to
school, yet built their own schools for their children.and got no
tax breaks on that.

Religion is politics...you cannot differentiate between the two - for
example, Jesus kicked the gamblers out of the Temple, and look what
happened o him.   Fidel Castro kicked the Mafia out of their gambling
temples, and he is still on a hit list..same people, remember it was
Judas who had the bag

So speaking of bag men; exmple of corruption in governmentit is pay
back time.   This James Carville who called Paula Jones "trailer
trash"this is symbolic of how the present administration feels about
the less affluent.this man is now doing advertisements for Alka
Seltzer, and appeared in a movienow normally, in the old days to
return favors, the Mafia would let certain people win at the gambling
tables.

Now how much was Carville paid to go on TV and call Paula Jones "trailer
trash" because she got involved innocently, in Clinton's crude, vulger,
sick life.and who really paid when Ms. Jones won her lawsuit.why
friends and did Mr. Clinton pay taxes on these "gifts"or were these
political contributions.did he pay taxes on the gifts he received
from China where the secrets of the neutron bomb were given awayyet
he would like to take guns away from law abiding citizens.

Add all this crap up, and the corruption begins in the Oval
Officeand the revenge is, take out the Christian Coalition, and get
them where it hurts.meanwhile Carville, how much will he pay in
taxes, this ugly, obscene, liar who now is becoming a movie star - even
though minute roles.pay back time.

Tax the Churchbiblical law, render unto Ceasar.but remember,
Clinton.the pervert responsible for these decision on the part of
the fedsfor we all know in our hearts, federal judges are the worst
judges money can buy.

Goodbye Clintonand for a laughtonite Mrs. Clinton appeared with
the President, along with the New York Yankeesbut, take a look at
the faces of the team, they were not laughing, and believe me, the
Clintons looked rather uncomfortablebut remember too, organized
crimes owns organized sports.

So it is not only pay back time, it would seem that the Clintons would
now use the New York Yankees, to help push this carpetbagger into
office.

If these people have no property, no home other than the White
House.and have lived off the public for all those years.where
are they registered to vote?  As the home base, of course.Cinton
vacated the Governor's Office.but where did they hang there hat to
meet qualifications to run for office.

Oh how I want that bunch to go back to Arkansas

colleen

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Re: [CTRL] CHRISTIAN COALITION LOSES TAX EXEMPT STATUS

1999-06-10 Thread Colleen Jones

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Well, Stokely Carmichael said "getta gun"...and Elridge Cleaver said
"the iniquities of the fathers shall be visited upon the children",
quoting scripture at that...

Getta sword, getta gunsomebody was listening to Stokely too were
they not?

I think the children are being punished for the iniquitites of the
fathers.it is a biblical curse, and the assassins are mind
controlled kids given drugs and like the assassin of old, are pushed
over the brink at will.

I do not like god shouters in a public school; a private prayer never
hurt anybody, however.buy getta gun, getta sword

Everything in this country is organized but the people; but this evil
element is now after your kids.maybe I will join the Pink Panthers,
and maybe they should free Jamal.

Someone is using the bible to kill our kids...and the trigger word
resides therein.
Gideon' spies have accumulated a lot of golden earrings; but it looks
now as though they are going for the crown.

Colleen

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