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-Caveat Lector- Check this new article on me at... http://www.homelessdave.com/totterhome.htm " 7 February 2007 (New Comic) Back in December, it did occur to me that it might be interesting to post a year-end summary breakdown of the different Talks by how frequently the pages had been accessed. But because the software I use to generate web traffic reports offers analysis by day, and by month, but nothing longer-term, this would have required some additional work. Just eyeballing it, though, the most-viewed Talk in the collection so far is last year's ride with T. Casey Brennan. A more significant recent triumph for T. Casey is the inclusion of his 'Hypothetical Cerebus' in the new ACTOR Comics volume. The cover of this 152-page collection, adorned with the Incredible Hulk and Spiderman, is easy to spot on the rack at Vault of Midnight on Main Street in downtown Ann Arbor. Been a while since you peeked inside a comic book? If you're looking for an excuse, then the fact that you'd be supporting a downtown business and a local writer (among other comic book veterans) could serve as one." http://www.homelessdave.com/tt20060407tcaseybrennan.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T._Casey_Brennan http://angelfire.com/zine2/warrenverse/MK_Ultra.html http://store.vampirella.com/vamcrimchron1.html http://store.vampirella.com/noname1.html http://www.darkelfdesigns.homestead.com/mkultra01.html http://tcaseybrennan.knows.it http://tcasey.inri.net http://www.angelfire.com/me/carcano http://www.anomalog.com/conjurella.html http://onyx.gothicunderworld.com/darkendsoul/Conjurella.html http://bigsleep666.livejournal.com/30273.html Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceânot soap-boxingâplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'âwith its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsâis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/ http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- Hello! I found this website which focuses on how the left wing uses tax free foundations and other organizations using tax free provisions of the IRS to promote left wing causes: http://www.capitalresearch.org";>Capital Research.org "I pledge Allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands, one Nation under God,indivisible,with liberty and justice for all." visit my web site at http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon My ICQ# is 79071904 for a precise list of the powers of the Federal Government linkto: http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon/Enumerated.html www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- Euphorian wrote: >Apparently you missed the occupation point. Engaland, Germany, Turkey,>Saudi Arabia (weapons systems if nothing else), Kuwait (armed forces),>Afghanistan, SoKorea, Japan, Israel, to start your list. This is not always so>much overt as it is subtle. Not to mention all the puppet-regimes the U.S. government has put in place around the world, usually by fomenting military coups to overthrow legally-elected governments... While the U.S. government may not overtly colonize other countries, it has consistently covertly tampered with the internal politics of countries in which it, and the big corporations which finance it, have a financial stake...Cuba (pre-Castro), Guatamala, Iran, Chile, are all examples... >The money aspect is very deep and any country that forgoes the American>capital expenditure is like a caffeine addict going cold turkey. More like a heroin addict going cold-turkey -- and the thing is, there HAVE been countries who HAVE gone the "cold-turkey" route, only to have the U.S. government covertly overthrow such regimes so that a regime more willing to kowtow to U.S. demands will be installed... >Germany might have been a democracy had the Americans stayed out of>the First Great War. This war -- along with the Spanish-American War>undertaken by McKinley -- was the beginning of the empire building. Actually it started earlier; consider the Mexican-American war of the 1840s, and the campaign to eradicate the Native American population... June . IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om Click Here
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-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 3/13/2003 2:25:40 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But that still doesn't answer my objection to this erroneous characterization of America as an imperialist power. Napoleon Bush is adding to the empire with a start in Iraq and then on to Syria, Iran, Libya and any other nation that is hostile to Israel. As you've no doubt noticed our economy is dying too and history is going to repeat itself if this empire-building is not stopped. But keep fiddling... Bill. www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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On Thursday, March 13, 2003, at 11:26 AM, William Shannon wrote: Who are you Ray? Are you new to this list? I don't recall seeing you here? Did Hannity or Rush send you to try to colonize us? Bill. Bill: Yes, I just signed on to the list. No, I haven't been sent in an effort to colonize you by imperialist masters. : -) As to who I am, my background is broad. I've done research into the paranormal (UFOs, cryptozoology, psychic phenomena, and yes, conspiracies) for a number of years, along with a lot of writing and public speaking on those topics. I am a priest with the Reformed Episcopal Church, serving a parish in Lincoln Nebraska. My seminary training is principally in systematic theology, philosophy and apologetics. I make my living as an artist. I design book interiors and jackets for the University of Nebraska Press, one of the leading university presses in the United States. My interests are pretty limitless, running from politics to alternative medicine to military history to archaeology, and on and on. But that still doesn't answer my objection to this erroneous characterization of America as an imperialist power. So, I'll try once more: Once again, let's see the list of countries existing under the tyranny of American rule. Simply because we're free, and economically successful and provide more aid to the less-fortunate countries of the world than any other nation, does not equate with any rational concept of imperial domination. Ray
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-Caveat Lector- we're free, and economically successful Some of us are free, others are not. America has the highest per capita prison population on earth, most of them non violent drug offenders. Scores of millions of us live below the "poverty line." Scores of millions of us have no medical coverage whatsoever. the list of countries existing under the tyranny of American rule. America itself exists under tyrannical rule. We no longer have a working constitution, and haven't had a Bill of Rights since the 1988 Omnibus Anti-Crime Act. Under the PATRIOT Act, federal law enforcement has powers of surveillance and detention that would make Himmler proud. Our troops violate the sovereignty of other nations at will. Democracy? Don't make me laugh. America is a plutocracy, nothing more, nothing less. It's not even a republic. It's an empire, or as we the enlightened call it, "an ongoing criminal enterprise." http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- 3/13/2003 11:17:54 AM, Ray Boeche <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >The only reason Germany exists as a democracy (albeit a socialist >democracy) is because the US presence in West Berlin and West Germany >kept the Soviet Union from expanding their very real empire. > >Once again, where is this empire we've built? Name the countries we >control. Apparently you missed the occupation point. Engaland, Germany, Turkey, Saudi Arabia (weapons systems if nothing else), Kuwait (armed forces), Afghanistan, SoKorea, Japan, Israel, to start your list. This is not always so much overt as it is subtle. Part of Germany's economic problem is due to the collapse of the Soviet Union at which time the Americans reduced their presence in Europe. When their economy was running high and improving, there were American bases all over the place putting who know how many billions of dollars (by infrastructure building and maintenance and materiel AND by the money the GIs spent in country (figure about $10,000 per head per year))(as a very conservative estimate of pocket change expended, not counting utilities, quarters, COLA, fuel subsidies for private automobiles and the like). Once the presence was reduced and, in many cases removed, count how many billion$$$ were not longer available to help subsidise the reincorporation of the East much less maintain the West. The money aspect is very deep and any country that forgoes the American capital expenditure is like a caffeine addict going cold turkey. Headaches, depression, cravings, and the like. On the one hand, there is the force application and, on the other, there is the money poured into their countries. And don't forget if "democratising" nations was a goal, the politicians would have followed Patton's advice and gone after the Bolsheviks and eliminated the "Cold" War and the need to be an occupying force. But it's easier to split things two ways rather than a hundred ways. More reliable too. Germany might have been a democracy had the Americans stayed out of the First Great War. This war -- along with the Spanish-American War undertaken by McKinley -- was the beginning of the empire building. Note, the latter accomplished acquisition of the Philippines, Puerto Rico, and effected changes in Cuba that led to Castro. For an interesting read an treatment of the subject, go getcha a Walter Karp, *The Politics of War*. For a book written in around 1979, it's a timely piece for today. And who cares what the French were doing since when? France was liberated. It was on the way to Germany. Unless one is a Wilsonian (and Karp talks a lot about him) and there is a need to impose an pseudo- American way of life on everyone whether it suits them or not. There is a lot of popular resentment by many of the occupied nations to the presence of the American "democratisers". One size don't fit all. The French (and the Germans and the Engalish and the Russians and the these and the those) may have been screwing up (by your standard) for who knows how long. The idea behind the making of the U.S. was to be divorce from these countries (however the French shore did come in handy at one point) and leave their BS behind (see Washington as well as the Declaration of Independence again). A<:>E<:>R "Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe simply because it has been handed down for many genera- tions. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumoured by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is written in Holy Scriptures. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of teachers, elders or wise men. Believe only after careful observation and analysis, when you find that it agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all. Then accept it and live up to it." The Buddha on Belief, from the Kalama Sutra http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl =
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-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 3/13/03 9:20:09 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Once again, where is this empire we've built? Name the countries we control. Ray Well, let us see, politically there are Hawaii, Puerto Rico, Guam, American Samoa to start. Economical dominion increase the empire dramatically. The empire is a false illusion for the US and is ultimately manipulated by the secret societies through corporate institutions leading to a "new world order" of synarchical design. MHO Om K www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om 2">
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-Caveat Lector- Who are you Ray? Are you new to this list? I don't recall seeing you here? Did Hannity or Rush send you to try to colonize us? Bill. In a message dated 3/13/2003 11:23:28 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Once again, let's see the list of countries existing under the tyranny of American rule. Simply because we're free, and economically successful and provide more aid to the less-fortunate countries of the world than any other nation, does not equate with any rational concept of imperial domination. www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- On Thursday, March 13, 2003, at 11:06 AM, Nessie SFBG wrote: -Caveat Lector- where is this empire we've built? America doesn't just HAVE an empire. America IS an empire. Once again, let's see the list of countries existing under the tyranny of American rule. Simply because we're free, and economically successful and provide more aid to the less-fortunate countries of the world than any other nation, does not equate with any rational concept of imperial domination. Ray http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- On Thursday, March 13, 2003, at 11:02 AM, Euphorian wrote: -Caveat Lector- 3/13/2003 10:36:46 AM, Ray Boeche <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "" My biggest question is how do you construe anything America has done in the past, or intends to do in the near future, as "empire building"? "" We have always striven to liberate countries, give the people a voice, and then let them deal with their internal affairs; not dominate or subjugate others."" In case you missed the last the history of the last fifty years, the U.S. has been the most successful occupation force in the memory of the World (the Soviets collapsed a while back, in effect, giving up their claim to any prizes). The pretext was liberation and protection. With the advent of ICBMs, the only reason for maintaining a ground force in Europe was to preposition forces for subsequent occupation should the "Cold" War have heated up. Now, if you have any qualms about this analysis, think about what the realtions with the French have been since DeGaulle. Recall that he was the de facto leader of the French in Engaland during the Second Great War. Recall he led the Free French back into France. Recall he later became the national leader who then escorted to the Americans to the nearet borders. He understood (all-too-well from his experiences with the Germans) the difference between "liberation" (which was his intention) and "occupation" which was what happened. France has not been really popular with the Americans' policy makers ever since. DeGaulle liberated his country and people got PO'd. Germany's next, followed by Turkey. Note how the Americans have "allowed" them to voice their opinion and conduct their internal affairs. And let's not discuss Afghanistan in this context. The only thing that was liberated there was the opium crop. "Liberation" does NOT result in the House of Representatives taking some jingoistic tack of renaming a basically American food. This act was supposed to be a "symbol' but, if anything, they did the French a favour: no self-respecting French person would eat such gastronomically inferior substandard gut stuffers as a "french fry". My question remains - "How do you construe anything America has done in the past, or intends to do in the near future, as "empire building"? Let's put aside the fact that DeGaulle and the Free French marched back into France under covering fire of American troops. The French have been screwed up since the so-called Enlightenment. The only reason Germany exists as a democracy (albeit a socialist democracy) is because the US presence in West Berlin and West Germany kept the Soviet Union from expanding their very real empire. Once again, where is this empire we've built? Name the countries we control. Ray http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- where is this empire we've built? America doesn't just HAVE an empire. America IS an empire. http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- 3/13/2003 10:36:46 AM, Ray Boeche <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "" My biggest question is how do you construe anything America has done in the past, or intends to do in the near future, as "empire building"? "" We have always striven to liberate countries, give the people a voice, and then let them deal with their internal affairs; not dominate or subjugate others."" In case you missed the last the history of the last fifty years, the U.S. has been the most successful occupation force in the memory of the World (the Soviets collapsed a while back, in effect, giving up their claim to any prizes). The pretext was liberation and protection. With the advent of ICBMs, the only reason for maintaining a ground force in Europe was to preposition forces for subsequent occupation should the "Cold" War have heated up. Now, if you have any qualms about this analysis, think about what the realtions with the French have been since DeGaulle. Recall that he was the de facto leader of the French in Engaland during the Second Great War. Recall he led the Free French back into France. Recall he later became the national leader who then escorted to the Americans to the nearet borders. He understood (all-too-well from his experiences with the Germans) the difference between "liberation" (which was his intention) and "occupation" which was what happened. France has not been really popular with the Americans' policy makers ever since. DeGaulle liberated his country and people got PO'd. Germany's next, followed by Turkey. Note how the Americans have "allowed" them to voice their opinion and conduct their internal affairs. And let's not discuss Afghanistan in this context. The only thing that was liberated there was the opium crop. "Liberation" does NOT result in the House of Representatives taking some jingoistic tack of renaming a basically American food. This act was supposed to be a "symbol' but, if anything, they did the French a favour: no self-respecting French person would eat such gastronomically inferior substandard gut stuffers as a "french fry". This was part of the issue that Jose Bove's move against McDonalds' in France. http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=9472 THE GLOBAL CITIZEN: The World Is Not for Sale By Donella H. Meadows, AlterNet July 18, 2000 Jose Bove milks 250 sheep in the Larzac region of France, a rocky, windswept place where you would think no farmer could produce anything. But Bove turns sheep milk into one of the gastronomical treasures of the world, Roquefort cheese. Bove is a leader of the local Roquefort producers association and of the second largest farmers' organization in France. So he was well known locally before he and nine friends drove their tractors to the nearby town of Millau last year and pulled down an under-construction McDonalds restaurant. Now he is well known globally. Bove's beef with McDonalds began with America's beef industry, particularly its habit of dosing feedlot cattle with the kinds of hormones that athletes are tempted to use for the same reason – to bulk up fast. Europeans are disinclined to eat this high-test meat. The European Union forbids hormone-raised beef, either domestically produced or imported. That makes the American beef industry, and the government officials to whom the beef industry pays large campaign donations, very angry. Now that we have a World Trade Organization, we have an official way to resolve such conflicts. WTO resolutions nearly always come out in favor of trade, no matter what its social or environmental or cultural or health consequences. It was no surprise when the WTO declared the EU ban on hormone-raised beef illegal. The EU refused to lift the ban. So the WTO imposed the only punishment within its power. It allowed the U.S. to slap retaliatory tarriffs – high taxes imposed at the border – on French products. One of the products thus affected was Roquefort cheese. Which made Jose Bove and his Roquefort- producing friends very angry. At their hearing on June 30 at least 50,000 people jammed into Millau for a political demonstration equivalent in purpose to Seattle's anti-WTO bash six months earlier. In the crowd's estimation, if not the court's, Bove is a hero. The T-shirt seen all over the streets said on the front, in a direct quote from Bove, "Le Monde n'est pas une marchandise." (The world is not merchandise, not a product, not for sale.) On the back it said, "Moi non plus." (Me neither.) Bove's supporters are by no means only French. The American media tend to frame stories like this as a confrontation between French and U.S. farmers. But American farmers actually donated to help with Bove's legal expenses. One farmer responded: "A few of us were standing around our co-op this morning wishing we had some way to help those French guys, and now we have your email we're glad to send some money so we can have some small part in this." The Millau Ten were found guilty – they readily admitted th
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On Thursday, March 13, 2003, at 09:31 AM, William Shannon wrote: Yeah ok Ray. Self-hatred? And pathological at that huh? Ray, apparently you're fine with empire-building and utterly disregarding domestic problems but I tend towards an America FIRST view and value the Constitution...to you both America and our Constitution are clearly secondary at best. If you are so deluded as to believe that Iraq is a threat to ANYONE - much less America - I can't help you. Keep getting your "news" from the neo-cons on FoxNews and talk radio...Goebbels would be proud of these shills. Don't dig any deeper than you have to to see for yourself what's REALLY happening. If it isn't in the Washington Times or the Weekly Standard it must be wrong. I see that your primary allegiance seems to be to Israel and therein lies our differences. I cannot change your lack of enthusiasm for what WAS the American way. Maybe Tel Aviv calls?? We give aid to many countries and we ought to cease and desist all aid forthwith. But if we're going to be the military wing of the UN we ought to be consistent and also enforce UN resolutions against Israel. At the very least we ought to suspend all aid until Israel comes into compliance with each and every one of the 70+ resolutions that they are in violation of. See Ray, I am offended as an American in out meddling in the affairs of other SOVEREIGN nations...it's none of our business what Iraq or Gambia or Uraguay do internally just as what we do is not their business. You seem to be very cavalier with national sovereignty and I could see such an attitude backfiring on us. One day China or Russia may feel the need for "regime change" here...and people like you set precedent. Are you also going to apologize for the next round of Napoleon Bush's empire building in Syria and Iran? When does it end Ray? And how did the so-called "war on terror" morph into making the Middle East safe for Israel? Are you a man Ray or are you a sheep? Bill. Bill: I can certainly agree to disagree over the status of Iraq as a threat, or the necessity to neutralize that threat by military force. I am certainly an ardent Constitutionalist, and one who adamantly refutes the position that the Constitution is a "living document" which should assume the shape of the latest moral or political trend. But you miss my point, or I haven't enunciated it clearly enough. My biggest question is how do you construe anything America has done in the past, or intends to do in the near future, as "empire building"? We have always striven to liberate countries, give the people a voice, and then let them deal with their internal affairs; not dominate or subjugate others. Our only interest in the internal affairs of other nations has been, and continues to be, when those affairs pose a threat to us. In this case, vis a vis the funding and training of radical Islamist terrorists. Once again, where is this empire we've built? Ray
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-Caveat Lector- 3/13/2003 9:31:08 AM, William Shannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -Caveat Lector- Yeah ok Ray. Self-hatred? And pathological at that huh? Ray wrote: > It seems so many who criticize our policies suffer from a pathological > self-hatred. > Ray I write: Well, self-hatred ... could be our policies are "self-hatred" and opposition (or calls for revision) to them is "self-love". VietNam proved this. The call from Washington in his farewell address warning against foreign entanglements is the standard. People who go to war (or in the case of the current and past administrations who've sent other peoples' kids off to war) tend to exhibit something along the lines of a death wish, for themselves (or for others' kids). I don't consider this to be too healthy, physically or mentally (except for the ones who get to watch the proceedings on the tube so many thousands of miles away in th safety of their barcaloungers. Keeping order in the World? By superimposing one defective culture's values (and not ideals) upon another vastly different yet imperfect culture? Bondo and cheap paint can cover the rust and integral decay for only so long. But, that's just me. A<:>E<:>R "Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe simply because it has been handed down for many genera- tions. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumoured by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is written in Holy Scriptures. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of teachers, elders or wise men. Believe only after careful observation and analysis, when you find that it agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all. Then accept it and live up to it." The Buddha on Belief, from the Kalama Sutra http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- Yeah ok Ray. Self-hatred? And pathological at that huh? Ray, apparently you're fine with empire-building and utterly disregarding domestic problems but I tend towards an America FIRST view and value the Constitution...to you both America and our Constitution are clearly secondary at best. If you are so deluded as to believe that Iraq is a threat to ANYONE - much less America - I can't help you. Keep getting your "news" from the neo-cons on FoxNews and talk radio...Goebbels would be proud of these shills. Don't dig any deeper than you have to to see for yourself what's REALLY happening. If it isn't in the Washington Times or the Weekly Standard it must be wrong. I see that your primary allegiance seems to be to Israel and therein lies our differences. I cannot change your lack of enthusiasm for what WAS the American way. Maybe Tel Aviv calls?? We give aid to many countries and we ought to cease and desist all aid forthwith. But if we're going to be the military wing of the UN we ought to be consistent and also enforce UN resolutions against Israel. At the very least we ought to suspend all aid until Israel comes into compliance with each and every one of the 70+ resolutions that they are in violation of. See Ray, I am offended as an American in out meddling in the affairs of other SOVEREIGN nations...it's none of our business what Iraq or Gambia or Uraguay do internally just as what we do is not their business. You seem to be very cavalier with national sovereignty and I could see such an attitude backfiring on us. One day China or Russia may feel the need for "regime change" here...and people like you set precedent. Are you also going to apologize for the next round of Napoleon Bush's empire building in Syria and Iran? When does it end Ray? And how did the so-called "war on terror" morph into making the Middle East safe for Israel? Are you a man Ray or are you a sheep? Bill. In a message dated 3/13/2003 9:09:10 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Who else can keep a semblance of peace and order in the world besides the US? Certainly not the United Nations, an impotent organization which is overrun with representatives from the very tyrannical, oppressive regimes which need reform. As to the ridiculous ( and ubiquitous) charge that it's all about big oil. . . Use a little common sense. Which would be simpler and easier - to appease Saddam Hussein like the French and the Germans have done in order to strike sweet deals for Iraqui oil, regardless of the atrocities this madman is committing against his own people, and the threat he couses to other nations, or to stand against him, depose him, and return control of the country's resources to the citizens? Again, which would be simpler and easier - to protect the only functional, free-economy democracy in the Middle East, Israel, or to allow known murderers like Yasser Arafat to continue to milk the Palestinians to serve as his personal cheering squad and power base? If Arafat had any concern for the Palestinian people, he could have good living conditions and an economy as strong as Israel's. After all, Israel managed to turn the same harsh environment into an area teeming with manufacturing, research and agriculture. What has Arafat's leadership caused the Palestinians to produce? Homicidal maniacs and whiners. Iraq does indeed pose a threat - not only to us but the entire world. That's why the impotent United Nations decreed that Hussein must disarm - 11 years ago. Iraqui's have suffered under UN-approved sanctions because Hussein has not complied with the terms established which would remove those sanctions. Wars of aggression are despicable. But this is not a war of aggression. We don't want to annex Iraq as the Germans did the Sudetenland - we want to return Iraq to it's own people, free of a tyrannical madman. As to your continuing references to "Napoleon" Bush. . . Can you please list, in alphabetical order the countries which consititute this imaginary empire? Which nations pay their taxes to us? Which nations pay us tribute? Instead, why don't you balance the zero-entry empire list against all of the nations which we support. In fact, who gives more financial aid to the Palestinians than any other nation in the world? The United States. It seems so many who criticize our policies suffer from a pathological self-hatred. Ray www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocau
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On Wednesday, March 12, 2003, at 09:19 PM, William Shannon wrote: So now it's our job to be the world's supercop? There are "dangerous dictators" all over the world...many who are far more dangerous than tin-horn Saddam Hussein. Why not go after Castro? Or Mugabe? Why Saddam? The facts are clear, this is none of our business and we are simple doing the bidding of Israel and big oil. War of aggression is illegal under international law and Nazis were hanged for it at Nuremburg. What's the difference here? We're going to attack and decimate a country that is not a threat to us in any way, shape or form. And then we're going to do the same to Syria, Iran, Libya, the Sudan and god knows who else. It's insanity. Meanwhile, as Napoleon Bush crosses the Rubicon our economy is failing... Bill. Who else can keep a semblance of peace and order in the world besides the US? Certainly not the United Nations, an impotent organization which is overrun with representatives from the very tyrannical, oppressive regimes which need reform. As to the ridiculous ( and ubiquitous) charge that it's all about big oil. . . Use a little common sense. Which would be simpler and easier - to appease Saddam Hussein like the French and the Germans have done in order to strike sweet deals for Iraqui oil, regardless of the atrocities this madman is committing against his own people, and the threat he couses to other nations, or to stand against him, depose him, and return control of the country's resources to the citizens? Again, which would be simpler and easier - to protect the only functional, free-economy democracy in the Middle East, Israel, or to allow known murderers like Yasser Arafat to continue to milk the Palestinians to serve as his personal cheering squad and power base? If Arafat had any concern for the Palestinian people, he could have good living conditions and an economy as strong as Israel's. After all, Israel managed to turn the same harsh environment into an area teeming with manufacturing, research and agriculture. What has Arafat's leadership caused the Palestinians to produce? Homicidal maniacs and whiners. Iraq does indeed pose a threat - not only to us but the entire world. That's why the impotent United Nations decreed that Hussein must disarm - 11 years ago. Iraqui's have suffered under UN-approved sanctions because Hussein has not complied with the terms established which would remove those sanctions. Wars of aggression are despicable. But this is not a war of aggression. We don't want to annex Iraq as the Germans did the Sudetenland - we want to return Iraq to it's own people, free of a tyrannical madman. As to your continuing references to "Napoleon" Bush. . . Can you please list, in alphabetical order the countries which consititute this imaginary empire? Which nations pay their taxes to us? Which nations pay us tribute? Instead, why don't you balance the zero-entry empire list against all of the nations which we support. In fact, who gives more financial aid to the Palestinians than any other nation in the world? The United States. It seems so many who criticize our policies suffer from a pathological self-hatred. Ray
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-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 3/12/2003 9:07:19 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No, I don't believe that everyone opposing the military action to unseat a dangerous, amd dictator who has killed hundreds of thousands of his own citizens are communists. However I do believe they either refuse to look at the facts, or they're incapable of grasping them. So now it's our job to be the world's supercop? There are "dangerous dictators" all over the world...many who are far more dangerous than tin-horn Saddam Hussein. Why not go after Castro? Or Mugabe? Why Saddam? The facts are clear, this is none of our business and we are simple doing the bidding of Israel and big oil. War of aggression is illegal under international law and Nazis were hanged for it at Nuremburg. What's the difference here? We're going to attack and decimate a country that is not a threat to us in any way, shape or form. And then we're going to do the same to Syria, Iran, Libya, the Sudan and god knows who else. It's insanity. Meanwhile, as Napoleon Bush crosses the Rubicon our economy is failing... Bill. www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- On Wednesday, March 12, 2003, at 09:00 PM, William Shannon wrote: Sure some of the organizers of a few demonstrations are pink but are you suggesting that everyone who opposes Napoleon Bush's Wars are? Is Pat Buchanan, Charley Reese, The John Birch Society, the American Free Press or Ron Paul pink? Am I? I don't think so. No, I don't believe that everyone opposing the military action to unseat a dangerous, amd dictator who has killed hundreds of thousands of his own citizens are communists. However I do believe they either refuse to look at the facts, or they're incapable of grasping them. Ray http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 3/12/2003 8:53:41 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It seems to me more likely that the conspiracy may be leaning the other way. You see what you want to see. Sure some of the organizers of a few demonstrations are pink but are you suggesting that everyone who opposes Napoleon Bush's Wars are? Is Pat Buchanan, Charley Reese, The John Birch Society, the American Free Press or Ron Paul pink? Am I? I don't think so. I DO think that David Horowitz is a blowhard who knows how to raise funds from simple-minded neo-cons who want to live in a world of black and white. Bill. www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- Ray Boeche thought you might be interested in this story from FrontPageMag.com: It seems to me more likely that the conspiracy may be leaning the other way. http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=6613 http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- Only problem I had on this Eric the information on the planes, etc., a notice came up on the screen it was too big to be reproduced, etc. In the past when I have attempted to reproduce something that was too large for the web tv to handle - it would cut off. But if you mean am I or others on list affected by a virus from your mail - no, nothing happened here except you sent too much and I could not pull all of it up. The item on Bo Gritz I did not bother to pull up. How this would affect a computer I do not know. http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- please let me know if this is infected...norton has recently put out a filter for the badtrans Re: [infowars] on "Home Run": remote recovery system for hijacked aircraft i have been struck again...asleep i guess and not noticing that it had all the signs of being badtrans...it was in my bulk mail, it was a 40k file, it was re: a post i had posted... me thinks it is more of a worm...that is what i hear... heard also that the FBI wants all data gathered by the worm [convenient] it is said to report passwords, address books etc... hard to say if this is a result of the post about "home run" or in response to the thermonuclear muckhead post that i recently sent out but one thing is for sure...this is not randomly bouncing about...i was left alone of virii for a couple of weeks and since the thermonuclear muckhead post they have started anew...so it is conscious...happens when i drop BIG bombshells... unless the worm is an AI and at 40k i rather doubt it... i.e. whoever objected to my last two months posting [and that of others in this particular activist circle] also objects to either a) mentioning homerun or b) mentioning gritz as i did... from this, i urge you to draw your OWN conclusions... for info on homerun, see: http://software.design.tripod.com/mirror/homerun.htm for info on gritz, see: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/agentsmiley/message/2455 __ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- Check this out: www.viewzone.com/photopara.html Thanks. Mike = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- From: "MICHAEL SPITZER" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > So it makes these 3's claims to have been flummoxed by the > > ballot design all the more suspicious...one suspects this > > ballot design challenge has been in the works for some > > time... > > Do you believe that these fraud accusations in several KEY states > might have been planned...maybe to "Internet-ize" all future > national elections?? I believe one outcome will be a stronger drive to change from the Electoral College to electing officials via the majority of the popular vote, however that vote is done. June http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- On Sun, 12 Nov 2000, Ynr Chyldz Wyld wrote: > > So it makes these 3's claims to have been flummoxed by the > ballot design all the more suspicious...one suspects this > ballot design challenge has been in the works for some > time... Do you believe that these fraud accusations in several KEY states might have been planned...maybe to "Internet-ize" all future national elections?? = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] CHECK THIS: FR: Credibility of ballot suit claimants questioned
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/11/2000 10:03:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << are savvy activists with political experience, not the sort of voters whoâd be stymied by a ballot layout. Yet as the plaintiffs at the center of a historic suit, each plans to testify that they personally voted for Patrick Buchanan when they were aiming to vote for Al Gore. >> The one I think should have sued was the lady who tried to get them to take a machine that was not calibrated off line. She went and called everywhere to no avail. That sounds like things are a bit screwy there. Prudy http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] CHECK THIS: FR: Credibility of ballot suit claimants questioned
-Caveat Lector- > But Gaines, now a homemaker, was for several years a member of > the Childrens Services Council, a big-budget, taxpayer-financed > group in Palm Beach County. [snip] > Abigail McCarthy also claims she cast the wrong vote, but shes > a County Commissioner, hardly a political naïf and presumably > someone who can navigate a ballot. [snip] > But Fladell, dim as he may be, is more than just the > chiropractor which many news accounts say he is. Hes also a > political consultant and Democratic activist, And as I pointed out in another post, sample ballots were mailed out a week before the election, so it is not a case of people suddenly being confronted with the 'zigzag design' when arriving to actually vote. So it makes these 3's claims to have been flummoxed by the ballot design all the more suspicious...one suspects this ballot design challenge has been in the works for some time... June http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] CHECK THIS: FR: Credibility of ballot suit claimants questioned
-Caveat Lector- CREDIBILITY OF BALLOT SUIT CLAIMANTS QUESTIONED A Nexis search of Florida newspapers shows all three plaintiffs, Abigail McCarthy, Lillian Gaines, and Andre Fladell are savvy activists with political experience, not the sort of voters whod be stymied by a ballot layout. Yet as the plaintiffs at the center of a historic suit, each plans to testify that they personally voted for Patrick Buchanan when they were aiming to vote for Al Gore. Lillian Gaines says shes mortified that she might have voted for Buchanan."I went to the polls for one specific reason, to vote for Gore I hit the second hole. I am sure I did," she told the Associated Press. "Somehow my right to vote had been taken away from me." But Gaines, now a homemaker, was for several years a member of the Childrens Services Council, a big-budget, taxpayer-financed group in Palm Beach County. Gaines popped up in local newspapers in 1993 when she defended the groups expenditure of $6,000 in taxpayer money on a beachside retreat. "From time to time, an organization needs to look at themselves," she told the Fort Lauderdale Sun-Sentinel as a reason why taxpayers should put her and her fellow council members up in a resort hotel. Abigail McCarthy also claims she cast the wrong vote, but shes a County Commissioner, hardly a political naïf and presumably someone who can navigate a ballot. Andre Fladell, with lawyer Howard Weiss, was a guest on CNNs Larry King Live Thursday night. "I had no idea that in this country you have to read zig-zag and diagonal to know who youre voting for," he complained. "I didnt go there to take a test. I went in to vote for President." He told CNSNews.com that when it came to voting, "I wasnt too bright." But Fladell, dim as he may be, is more than just the chiropractor which many news accounts say he is. Hes also a political consultant and Democratic activist, who celebrated his hardball approach in a 1999 interview. "Politics is the greatest challenge," Fladell proclaimed to local journalist Harris Meyer. "Its where the best and worst in people comes out. You get the adrenaline of war without having to physically hurt anyone. --- Published: Unknown Author: Florida Papers Posted on 11/11/2000 05:45:07 PST by oneway http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a0d4d636d71.htm = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] CHECK THIS!: AP: Any insiders here? If not, any guesses?
-Caveat Lector- FBI Agent Sues To Report Misconduct By Michael J. Sniffen Associated Press Writer Friday, Nov. 3, 2000; 5:56 p.m. EST WASHINGTON A 20-year veteran FBI agent went to court Friday seeking the right to report to President Clinton and key members of Congress what he considers serious and criminal misconduct by federal workers during a top secret, undercover national security operation. FBI Director Louis Freeh and Deputy Attorney General Eric Holder have denied agent Joseph G. Rogoskey permission to relay his allegations to Clinton, Secretary of State Madeleine Albright and House and Senate committees that oversee the FBI. In a lawsuit against the FBI and Justice Department, Rogoskey said that as an undercover agent he "witnessed acts of serious misconduct and violation of federal law by employees of the federal government during the course of their employment." FBI spokesman Bill Carter said, "We understand all the allegations of government misconduct have long been appropriately addressed." Now on paid administrative leave, Rogoskey spent 12 years, 1987 through 1998, on top-secret, undercover operations involving some of the government's deepest secrets that are accessible only to specified people. Rogoskey is barred from telling his lawyer, Stephen Kohn, any details of the operation or the alleged misconduct. Kohn said he understands only that "it doesn't involve anyone stealing money. It involves what they were ordered and permitted by the government to do in this operation." Like the FBI, Holder advised Rogoskey by letter that he should report "whistle-blower-type allegations" to internal FBI investigators or Justice inspector general agents who "have the appropriate security clearances." But Kohn said, "Keeping whistle-blower allegations within the institution that authorized the misconduct does not serve the public interest and raises grave constitutional questions." Rogoskey first reported his allegations to his immediate supervisor in late 1997, "promptly upon observing them," Kohn said. "We don't know if the FBI has fixed the problem," Kohn said, because Rogoskey has been on leave since the summer of 1998. Since making the allegations, the FBI has retaliated against Rogoskey, the lawsuit said. The suit said this included an allegation of misconduct against Rogoskey, of which FBI investigators cleared him; efforts by superiors "to call into question his integrity"; and recently threatening to fire him for medical reasons if he fails a fitness for duty exam. The FBI's Carter responded: "Any internal disciplinary or other employment problems Mr. Rogoskey may have experienced are completely unrelated to providing the earlier allegations." Kohn said: "Fitness reviews are extremely intrusive. They include psychiatric exams, interviews with his wife and examination of his sex life." A fitness exam was ordered of another FBI whistle-blower client of Kohn's, Frederic Whitehurst, the FBI chemist whose allegations led to an inspector general's finding the FBI Laboratory engaged in sloppy science and gave biased testimony for the prosecution. "Even though Whitehurst was found fit, the FBI tried to discredit him with material from the fitness exam," Kohn said. Kohn said Rogoskey has applied for workman's compensation because two doctors concluded he suffers from post-traumatic stress disorder caused by his work. "He has work-related injuries because they kept him undercover too long and from the retaliation," Kohn said. FBI officials have said that agents who spend long periods undercover can suffer tensions from maintaining dual personalities. In the lawsuit, Rogoskey asked the U.S. District Court here to decide whether he can transmit his allegations to Clinton, Albright and congressional oversight committees, to bar the government from retaliation and to process his workman's compensation claim instead of ordering a fitness review. Because of secrecy rules, Rogoskey submitted his allegations in a sealed envelope to the FBI's publication review clearance board in May 1999. The agent had no publisher, wasn't seeking compensation and did not intend to publish the material for the general public, but wanted permission to send it to the named officials, Kohn said. FBI attorney Lyn Brown "denied the permission the next day by phone and said the information in the envelope should have been transported by armed guard." Kohn said. Freeh and Holder later upheld that denial. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagand
[CTRL] [CHECK THIS] WND: Aldrich: Goodbye Unlimited Access
-Caveat Lector- Saturday, October 14, 2000 Goodbye unlimited access By Gary Aldrich I was an FBI special agent in the Clinton White House and in an extraordinary position to both observe and document a dangerous and sweeping national security collapse that was occurring right under my nose. The "system" seemed disinterested in doing anything about it. Out of sheer frustration, I finally decided to "blow the whistle" on the high-level political corruption I witnessed because I realized the liberal mainstream media never intended to accurately report what Clinton and his staff was doing and the Congress seemed powerless to stop the damage. If the U.S. Senate gets its way, it's unlikely any future federal employees will take the chance that I did. I've already notified key House Republicans that if such a law had been in place in 1995, I wouldn't have written "Unlimited Access," my first-hand account about guarding the Clintons at the White House. Why? It's the risk of doing hard time in the federal penitentiary, stupid! In an Oct. 10th Washington Times editorial -- and echoed in the next day's Washington Post -- it was disclosed that, "Congress will vote this week on legislation to criminalize whistle-blowing by government employees. If approved, this legislation would severely curtail the public's access to information which is embarrassing to government officials and important for Americans to know." The Times' editorial goes on to point out that the provision, hidden deep within the Senate Intelligence Authorization Act of 2001, provides that government officials could face up to three years in jail and a fine of up to $10,000 for leaking classified information. I can't say I've ever seen an issue that's brought both Washington newspapers into agreement at the same time. Conservatives are linking arms with the ACLU and these political odd-fellows are working fast and hard to fend off a major assault on the First Amendment. Members of Congressman Bob Barr's staff have advised me that his office is indeed working with the American Civil Liberties Union to defeat this measure but they're concerned it may be too late. It's also reported that House Judicial Chairman Henry Hyde, R. Ill., has joined with Rep. John Conyers, D-Mich., in a rare display of unity on the issue. They say that the anti-whistle blower provision "has profound First Amendment implications." My view, based on my first-hand experience, is that the biggest problem with this law is the government gets to decide what's "classified" and can open criminal investigations on the mere suspicion that something may be -- or may have come from something -- that's "classified." Having worked for the FBI for 26 years, I can testify that there are many FBI executives who operate as if everything is classified. The FBI has a history of making life miserable for any employee who chooses to surface wrongdoing "outside the loop." The FBI is not alone in this group-think approach to the issue of employee revelations to outsiders. Washington papers have documented dozens and dozens of whistle-blower retaliations by angry federal agency managers. Can't you just see corrupt politicians like Bill and Hillary Clinton, clapping their hands in glee, realizing what a great new weapon the U.S. Senate is willing to give them? One can only wonder what our Senate was thinking. This law -- if passed -- can be used to hammer people, like me, who feel compelled to honor our oaths to the Constitution and tell the truth! And if this president signs this ridiculous provision into law, we might as well call it, "Bill and Hillary's revenge." Revenge against the federal employees who resisted their assaults on our laws as well trying to highlight their loopy notions of how not to protect our national security. How interested are Bill and Hillary and Al Gore in getting to the bottom of any recent White House scandals? Well, they displayed true allegiance -- not to the Constitution -- but to their own unbridled political and personal ambitions in that infamous trumped-up criminal investigation of former director of the White House Travel Office, Billy Dale. In Dale's case, they did not allow the risk of sending an honest man to prison to stand in the way of their selfish political plans. The Dale case taught us many things. For example, just how little protection federal law enforcement agencies have against misuse by crooked politicians. Where is the evidence that immoral politicians are no longer misusing federal enforcement agency resources? As I recall, the U.S. Senate had significant interest in the Dale case. Where's the evidence that the White House will not strike again -- or that this time the FBI will refuse to be an instrument of that abuse? Where's the new federal law that makes it a felony for high FBI officials to allow themselves to be used in politically inspired frame-ups? Where's the new federal law that sends to jail any IRS employees who abus
[CTRL] [Check this!] UPI: Gore admits using hotel phone internet connections to discuss national security issues
-Caveat Lector- GORE ON MILITARY TECHNOLOGY AND INFO SUPERHIGHWAY Vice President Al Gore admits in an exclusive Yahoo! Internet Life magazine interview that current military technology is "primitive" and "behind the curve." The vice president also says he has to use ordinary hotel phone lines to communicate regularly via modem on national security matters. "I'm on the National Security Agency and I communicate regularly on national security matters. But how I log on -- hey, I dial up from a hotel room, too, if that's all there is," Gore says. However, he adds, he uses a secure connection. Gore is interviewed by Yahoo! Internet Life editor-in-chief Barry Golson in the Internet lifestyle magazine's November issue on sale in limited markets October 10 and nationwide October 17. The exclusive interview has Gore offering his candid viewpoint on the past, present and future of technology and clears up the issue once and for all as to whether he "invented" the Internet. The vice president says he's considering, at the suggestion of Yahoo! Internet Life, a 24/7 web-cam in the Oval Office. "I'm such a bear on intellectual property," he admits when recalling never seeing a cent from the book entitled "The Information Superhighway." "That's my metaphor, to the best of my knowledge," he says, laying claim to inventing the term "information superhighway." Copyright 2000 by United Press International. All rights reserved. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> *Mike Spitzer* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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[CTRL] Check This: EO Signed By WJC on 7/14/99
-Caveat Lector- NOTE: be sure to remember from that PD63 FAC sheet, "A National Infrastructure Assurance Council drawn from private sector leaders and state/local officials to provide guidance to the policy formulation of a National Plan; ..." I think it SHOULD BE OBVIOUS TO EVERYBODY by now that the greatest threat to the United States is, has been, and will continue to be WJC and his politicized Executive Branch agencies. The only threat we ",the unwashed," REALLY are is that of us possibly calling them to account regarding their desecration of the Constitution. --begin forward-- Source: Federal Register Executive Order 13130 of July 14, 1999 EXECUTIVE ORDER - - - - - - - NATIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE ASSURANCE COUNCIL <-- By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the Federal Advisory Committee Act, as amended (5 U.S.C. App.), and in order to support a coordinated effort by both government and private sector entities to address threats to our Nation's critical infrastructure, it is hereby ordered as follows: Section 1. Establishment. (a) There is established the National Infrastructure Assurance Council (NIAC). The NIAC shall be composed of not more than 30 members appointed by the President. The members of the NIAC shall be selected from the private sector, including private sector entities representing the critical infrastructures identified in Executive Order 13010, and from State and local government. The members of the NIAC shall have expertise relevant to the functions of the NIAC and shall not be full-time officials or employees of the executive branch of the Federal Government. (b) The President shall designate a Chairperson and Vice-Chairperson from among the members of the NIAC. (c) The National Coordinator for Security, Infrastructure Protection and Counter-Terrorism at the National Security Council (National Coordinator) will serve as the Executive Director of the NIAC. (d) The Senior Director for Critical Infrastructure Protection at the National Security Council will serve as the NIAC's liaison to other agencies. (e) Individuals appointed by the President will serve for a period of 2 years. Service shall be limited to no more than 3 consecutive terms. Section 2. Functions. (a) The NIAC will meet periodically to: (1) enhance the partnership of the public and private sectors in protecting our critical infrastructure and provide reports on this issue to the President as appropriate; (2) propose and develop ways to encourage private industry to perform periodic risk assessments of critical processes, including information and telecommunications systems; and (3) monitor the development of Private Sector Information Sharing and Analysis Centers (PSISACs) and provide recommendations to the National Coordinator and the National Economic Council on how these organizations can best foster improved cooperation among the PSISACs, the National Infrastructure Protection Center (NIPC), and other Federal Government entities. (b) The NIAC will report to the President through the Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs, who shall assure appropriate coordination with the Assistant to the President for Economic Policy. (c) The NIAC will advise the lead agencies with critical infrastructure responsibilities, sector coordinators, the NIPC, the PSISACs and the National Coordinator on the subjects of the NIAC's function in whatever manner the Chair of the NIAC, the National Coordinator, and the head of the affected entity deem appropriate. (d) Senior Federal Government officials will participate in the meetings of the NIAC as appropriate. (e) The Department of Commerce shall perform the functions of the President under the Federal Advisory Committee Act for the NIAC, except that of reporting to the Congress, in accordance with the guidelines and procedures established by the Administrator of General Services. Section 3. Administration. To the extent permitted by law: (a) The NIAC may hold open and closed hearings, conduct inquiries, and establish subcommittees as necessary. (b) All executive departments and agencies shall cooperate with the NIAC and provide such assistance, information, and advice to the NIAC as it may request, as appropriate. (c) Members of the NIAC shall serve without compensation for their work on the NIAC. While engaged in the work of the Council, members will be allowed travel expenses, including per diem in lieu of subsistence as authorized by law for persons serving intermittently in the Government service. (d) To the extent permitted by law, and subject to the availability of appropriations, the Department of Commerce, through the Critical Infrastructure Assurance Office, shall provide the NIAC with administrative services, staff, and other support services, and such funds as may be necessary for the performance of its functions. (e) The Council shall terminate
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-Caveat Lector- I wonder if ANY of this can be confirmed? Thie below URL has A LOT of wild stuff...worth a look. Source: http://www.colinstevenson.free-online.co.uk/ufoets.htm 200,000 Year Old Female Baby found in MOON Rocks! In 1969 Apollo 11 astronauts brought back what appeared to be an aborted baby in a rock that was found during their historic expedition. For 24 years, NASA kept the baby's discovery from the public. The story finally came to light when South African geologist Dr. Richard Call showed newsmen the baby's preserved remains. Dr. Call told the reporters the shriveled fetus had been smuggled to him by a concerned NASA lab technician. Dr. Call took the fetus to his laboratory in Durban, South Africa, and has spent the last six years studying it. 'Based on our studies of this baby, we've been able to draw some stunning conclusions about the moon, about the earth and - most importantly - about human evolution'; # The fetus is human, female, six inches tall and approximately 200,000 years old. # Scans of the fetus' brain and her cranium size indicate that it's intelligence was even higher than that of modern man. Therefore this is proof that ET's can travel backwards and forewards in time and space and have visited the Moon at least 200,000 years ago and have also proberbly been visiting Earth also for at least this length of time. It is also proof of their human cross-breeding and abduction programme. I wonder what other secrets NASA and the Governments of the World might be keeping from us? = Kaddish, Kaddish, Kaddish, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> *Mike Spitzer* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Check this: Genetic Steganagrophy - Secret Messages via DNA (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- [Tell me if the last sentence of this article didn't come to mind at least once before you came to the end and read it?? -MS] --begin forward-- Scientists use genetic code to send secret messages Discovery adds biological dimension to field of encryption By Stewart Bell National Post Tuesday, June 29, 1999 The search for better ways of sending hidden messages has been the preoccupation of generals and spies for centuries. Now three U.S. researchers have turned the genetic code into a secret code to come up with a way of transmitting "completely undetectable" messages in DNA. A team at Mount Sinai School of Medicine in New York successfully encoded a message on DNA, hid it on a period in an otherwise innocuous letter and sent it through the mail. The recipient was able to easily decode the concealed, though outdated, warning: "June 6 Invasion: Normandy." Detailed in the journal Nature, the discovery adds a biological dimension to the field of encryption, once the domain of armies and diplomats but now a major concern for companies trying to safeguard their data and computer-users sending sensitive e-mail on the Internet. "This appears to be the first time anyone thought of taking advantage of the complexity of DNA to hide messages," said Dr. Carter Bancroft, a professor of physiology and biophysics who led the research team. "Genomic steganography," as its inventors call it, is a modern version of the ancient art of secure communications that dates back to 400 BC, when Spartan military commanders sent messages to each other that could be read only when wrapped around a baton of the right thickness. During the Second World War, German spies shrunk photographed messages and pasted them over a period in a letter, a method J. Edgar Hoover called "the enemy's masterpiece of espionage." Dr. Bancroft and two colleagues at Mount Sinai took the technique a leap further. They began by creating a simple code out of combinations of the four chemical bases of DNA, classified as A, C, G or T. The researchers assigned a different letter of the alphabet or a number to various combinations of the chemical bases. For example, the combination CGA would be decoded as the letter A. The researchers then created strands of artificial DNA, arranging the bases in the right order so as to spell out the message they wanted to send. Twenty "primer sequences" were placed before and after the message to mark the encoded words. The DNA was then mixed with human DNA to further conceal it and the mixture was placed on a dot that appears in a letter as a period. To read the message, the recipient cut the dot out of the letter and employed a technique commonly used in molecular biology to find and analyze the encoded DNA. Decryption is only possible if the recipient knows the code and has at least a rudimentary knowledge of DNA structure -- which suggests spies of the future may have to be as adept at biotechnology as they are at the art of disguise. The result was a message that was virtually impossible for enemies to detect, let alone decode. Even if someone knew there was a DNA message in the letter, the chances of even isolating the right strand of DNA would be one in 30 million. It would then have to be decoded. "It occurred to me one day that the human genome, being exceedingly complex, might be a very good place to hide a secret message written in DNA," Dr. Bancroft told the National Post. "Then I realized that polymerase chain reaction, which is widely employed in molecular biology to amplify up specific pieces of DNA, from the human genome and elsewhere, would be a perfect way to recover the message hidden in DNA." Methods of encrypting information are becoming increasingly sophisticated as companies seek to secure their communications and valuable data. Computer software that will encode and decode messages is now widely available. Canadian law-enforcement officials lobbied to have access to the keys that would allow them to read encrypted messages, but John Manley, the Industry Minister, announced in October that Canadians would be permitted to "develop, import and use whatever cryptography products they wish." Reg Whitaker, a York University professor who specializes in security issues, said it is possible to hide encrypted messages in photographs and even music sent over the Internet. In fact, computer encryption is now so advanced, there may be no need to hide messages in DNA. = Kaddish, Kaddish, Kaddish, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> *Mike Spitzer* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER