[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Re: Delmart Vreeland - US Intelligence And 9-11
-Caveat Lector- http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om --- Begin Message --- -Caveat Lector- --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Sean McBride" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 1. Why do you believe that Vreeland was poisoned? Is there any objective physical evidence to support this claim? I trust Mike Ruppert's judgement. I believe Lt Vreeland has had some blood test results back. Be patient; no need to speculate in advance of the facts. > > 2. Since Michael Ruppert hasn't disavowed authorship of the message which claimed that Vreeland was poisoned, should we assume that he is in fact the author? Well he says he is the author. The FTW secretary says he is the author. If he weren't the author it would be quite out of character to not inform people very quickly. > > 3. From where did Vreeland obtain funds to offer a plane ticket to John Horne? I don't know. He wouldn't let me pay for lunch either. Does it matter? > > 4. Do you have any reason to believe that Terry Weems made untrue statements about Vreeland when he described him as a thief, a liar, a forger and a con artist from a young age? Again, Mike Ruppert's experienced judgement is (a) Mr. Weems is a 'quack' (b) Lt Vreeland's character is hardly the important issue. Mike Ruppert has described the Lt as 'not a saint'. > > 5. Is there any person anywhere who will vouch for Vreeland's honesty? I don't know. Is honesty a requirement for spies? I'll certainly vouch for his intelligence. He has admitted that one of the purposes of his mission was to 'disinform' (?) Canada in order to decrease resistence to 'Star Wars' cooperation. Is that honest? Ask instead whether it is 'patriotic', or 'just following orders'. > > 6. Do you think it's safe to assume that anyone who says he is a top secret whistleblower really is one? No it isn't. Obviously. Go back and research the mysterious death of Jeremy Brooda. Research what happened to the group of 24 that made up the original UID. With the state of corruption in modern America, being honest and patriotic can get you suicided pretty quickly. Oh, and then the mass media massage. Poor Admiral Brooda was so depressed because Newsweek was going to expose that his medals weren't right. Big chorus for two weeks, then Elmo Zumwalt goes on Larry King and says there was nothing wrong with his medals and he should know because he gave them to Brooda himself. According to the Lt, Admiral Brooda was about to 'whistle-blow' himself about the CIA spooks using naval vessels and submarines to smuggle drugs. CIA? DRUGS? Who could have guessed? Well, after Mena, after the Chinese missile thing, lots of people thought Clinton was a traitor, but it is the CNO who has the authority to arrest the President for treason. To understand Lt Vreeland you have to understand the UID. He refers to them as "We". It isn't just about one 'top secret whistleblower'--it's about a whole secret war going on in the USA between the honest and the corrupt. Way down in the cold, dark waters there are giant squid with basket-ball size eyeballs to see in the dark. Nothing can eat them except sperm whales. Danny Casolaro didn't invent the term 'Octopus'; it comes from the Italians in the 1970's to describe the P2 conspiracy. The Italians were also the first to use the word suicide as a verb, as in Robert Calvi's secretary was 'suicided' out the window while her boss was hanging from Blackfriar's Bridge in London. Having P2 Grandmaster Licio Gelli at Reagan's inauguration was a bad omen indeed for America. > > 7. Why did Vreeland endorse the authenticity of a hoax letter which blamed Iraq for 911? All he endorsed was that the letter was in the package. My personal *guess* is that the letter was Mossad disinfo. Couriers sometimes carry disinfo in case they are ca
[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Re: Delmart Vreeland - US Intelligence And 9-11
-Caveat Lector- forward - another side of the story http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om --- Begin Message --- -Caveat Lector- > > If you are able to answer: was Sexton/RL's visit planned much in advance, > or was it spontaneous, ie, within the previous four or five days? is > there a criminal investigation being conducted? Cameron Sexton / Rising Legion was invited by the Lt. to visit him the night that I posted the pdf's online - Thursday May 30th. He left first thing Friday morning and returned on Saturday. There is NO way that he had ANYTHING to do with this alleged poisoning, but given that Galati was poisoned on 23rd May (& don't forget that Galati is representing a terrorist suspect) I personally think that Vreeland made the whole thing up to give himself credibility. As to Mike Rupperts email, in case you werent aware, Mike's site has been hacked repeatedly over the past two months & somebody has been sending emails purporting to be from him to various government officials and members of his "From the Wilderness" mailing list. Given that he has made absolutely no confirmation of this story, I am highly suspect that Ruppert was the origin of the email - rather it was the hacker. I would also suggest that people review these documents: http://www3.sympatico.ca/ron666/mishawaka.html where Mike Vreeland was arrested, used a false name & claimed he worked for the FBI. I would also like people to consider why Mike Vreeland, ONI, would use AOL for email & why he would ask me and RisingLegion to trace IP addresses for him because he didn't know how. (I have copies of IM conversations with him that prove this.) I would also like people to cosider why the Russian email bears a MSN copyright which reads '2002'. & also why many of the FIN documents bear a fax header from him dated April 28th 2002 (was he using his fax as a photocopier to produce fraudulent documents based on those which were already in circulation on sites like scholnick's & deepblacklies?) You should also read the judge's rulings available at: www3.sympatico.ca/ron666/vreeland.html (especially as to the evidence submitted of an email sent to the Pentagon just before the infamous phonecall requesting an office for Delmart Edward Vreeland - the Pentagon staff are not intelligence experts - otherwise I'm sure they would have *somehow* been absent from work on 9-11) When you've finished with that, email me & I'll tell you more. I used to be 100% Vreeland as several people know. I was wrong. He is operating a pathetic scheme of lies - which is being bolstered by a growing internet cult of followers - in order to clear his name of the fraud charges & avoid extradition where he is wanted in many, many states. The defense fund is a convienient way to get pocket money in the mean time. I wouldn't be suprised if he's planning on selling his story to Hollywood or some other such crap. This man is a con man - a clever one - but a con man. I will be posting a fuller statement soon when I have many other facts verified that will not put certain people under danger. But if ANYBODY continues down the line that Rising/Cameron poisoned Vreeland I will notify him and put the two of you in contact because that is considered slander. So read the above (you might also be interested in finding out about "Paul Dore" and the novel "Ender's game" - which, when asked, the Lt claimed was his favorite book) Rising and I put in a lot of effort for Vreeland. Rising scanned all the documents personally that I uploaded to the web. Vreeland's new game is to call everyone who disagrees with him a paid disinfo agent and people are going along with this. I know the rest of the board is exhausted with this story - believe
[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Re: Delmart Vreeland - US Intelligence And 9-11
-Caveat Lector- http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om --- Begin Message --- -Caveat Lector- --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Sean McBride" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't have a transcript of the interview. A free MP3 player is available at www.winamp.com. Try to listen to the interview if you can, because it seems quite credible -- more credible than Vreeland's own performance in his message forums. > > There is reason to believe that the second Terry Weems was deliberately created by Vreeland to try to discredit the real Terry Weems. I can't go into it now, but the truth will probably come out on this matter soon. Agreed, mysteries solved are progressive! > > I'm aware of the Garrison story, and of elaborate attempts by the government to discredit witnesses and whistleblowers. Originally I thought something like that was going on with Vreeland until I learned more. Well, that's the operative phrase eh? Did you 'learn more', or did you digest sophisticated 'disinformation' ? > > Ruppert may have excellent disinformation deflectors, but I've seen him, with my own eyes and in direct encounters, make errors of fact and judgment. What do you make of this message from Ruppert? > > > > June 1, 2002 1400 hrs > > I am writing this from a hotel room in Sacramento. There is little I can do from here except report what I know. I am presently without the ability to report in further detail. > > Both Mike Vreeland and his lawyer Rocco Galati have been poisoned. Both are apparently out of the woods, but for Vreeland it was a very close call. Well, this is calling out 'the elves' to protect the Lt. Ruppert+internet+elves=45 minutes. > > Here's what I know. Approximately four days ago, shortly after releasing the first batch of FIN (financial transaction documents involving the FED) Vreeland received two bottles of wine from Allan Greenspan. Subsequent info: Talking to the Lt. according to the Lt. Mr. Greenspan was glad that the missing docs had been discovered and promised wine. The Lt doesn't know the real origin of the clopazined bottle. When wine arrived it was *assumed* to be from AG. Phonetap? Then Cameron Sexton/RisingLegion handled the wine. It's tres Poirot! > Vreeland stated that he had spoken to Greenspan on the phone and knew that the wine was coming. > > I was on the phone with Vreeland yesterday right after he had had about two glasses of the wine. Upon answering the phone Vreeland immediately stated that he had been vomitting blood. He looked in the mirror while he was on the phone with me and said that the whites of his eyes were turning blue and was feeling violently ill. I could hear sounds of the toilet flushing and water running. Vreeland was obviously ill. > > He became disoriented but as soon as he saw his eyes he said, "Shit, it's the same stuff they gave Marc [Bastien] - clozapine." In a frenzy he went to a stash or previously prepared syringes and took five successive injections of medications. I have a list of what he took but am not disclosing it now. I listened as the caps came off the syringes, hit the floor, and as he injected. > > I stayed on the phone with him for about 45 minutes until a friend of his got in the apartment. Vreeland was fighting sleep. He didn't sound like he was faking at all. > > Today I learned from Vreeland that his attorney - Rocco Galati - had been poisoned while eating in a Toronto restaurant and had begun bleeding from his nose (and possibly ears) after becoming violently ill. There were apparently multiple witnesses to this incident. The Galati poisoning occured on the same day that Vreeland received the wine. Conflicting info here. I thought Rocco's case was earlier. > Galati is now out of the hospital but extremely weak. >
[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Re: Delmart Vreeland - US Intelligence And 9-11
-Caveat Lector- http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om --- Begin Message --- -Caveat Lector- --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Sean McBride" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I agree completely with you about the Octopus remarks at the end of your message, but I doubt that Vreeland is a good guy in the exposing of the Octopus. Whistleblowers like Terry Reed, Chip Tatum, Chuck Hayes and Michael Riconosciuto were much more credible than Vreeland. Well, Tatum, Riconosciuto and Vreeland ended up framed in jail. Also whistle-blowers like Leo Wanta and Bill Tyree. Under current US circumstances being in jail *adds* to credibility imo. > The people around them back up their stories. The people who have known Vreeland -- like Terry Weems -- dismiss him as a con artist and crackpot. > > I still don't understand your proof that Vreeland was working for Jeremy Boorda. What exactly is the proof? It wouldn't be prudent to discuss the UID on an open board. It was Admiral Brooda's creation, an 'Unofficial Intelligence Investigation Division' to investigate people who were so powerful that no 'official' investigation was permitted. As CNO (Chief of Naval Operations) Admiral Brooda was the one person who could arrest the President for treason. The group was penetrated and started dropping like flies. According to Lt. Vreeland--and knowing I was a journalist he said up front that there were things he couldn't tell me, so I'll assume what he told me isn't 'secret'--the original UID is down to six survivors, all in hiding outside the US. However, after the Danny Casalero murder, investigative journalists began cross-pollinating with the UID and indymedia people could easily join; after all it is 'unofficial'. Every independent investigator is automatically UID. As for 'proof', well, the victors write the history eh. > > What exactly did he say at the Michigan Mafia trial in 1998? Is there any corroboration from other sources for his claims? Well, I suppose you could look into Michigan court records. I believe the particular court case involved arson/insurance fraud about a fellow named Moore. When an organized crime group gets bust everybody gets arrested, including the undercover operator. Otherwise the bad guys know who turned them in and take revenge. > > - Original Message - > From: lday > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 9:44 AM > Subject: [CIA-DRUGS] Re: Delmart Vreeland - US Intelligence And 9-11 > > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Sean McBride" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -- > > "Lt. Vreeland also has a legend, a supposed 'criminal record' that > allowed him to penetrate organized crime. His UID boss, Admiral Jeremy > Brooda, was exceptionally annoyed that US navy ships were being used > to smuggle drugs into the US *with CIA complicity*. Lt Vreeland needed > the 'legend' to impress the criminals and allow infiltration of the > crime group." > > -- > > > > How do you know this to be true. Where is your proof. > > He testified against the Michigan Mafia in 1998. > > I can understand your skepticism. But I have met the Lt. > in person and judged his character for myself. > Also I've researched many cases of falsified frame-ups > by the US government: Bill Tyree, Bo Gritz, Chip Tatum, > Michael Riconosciuto, Leo Wanta.. There is a long list. > Any honest trial would have acquitted them all. > There are also a lot of mysterious 'suicides': Admiral Brooda > and half the UID, Vince Foster, Danny Casalero, Cliff Baxter, > etc etc. The US seems to me to be in the grip of a highly > criminal octopus. So corruption becomes expected and it may be hard > to recognize a real patriot when one comes along. > > Lawrence Day > >
