Re: [CTRL] John P. O'Neill/ Head of WTC Security Former FBI Counterterrorism
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/24/01 9:31:40 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > THIS should set off everyone's alarms > > So now we have a guy who at the very least was criminally negligent in > leaving classified data regarding NYC security procedures available for > anyone to readand had to be responsible for the instructions to WTC > occupants to NOT evacuate after the planes hit. > > > June Thank you for paying such close attention to this information. I thought it was terribly important, as I searched last night and found one piece of curious information after another. Oddly, I could not find mention of the August 2001 investigation into O'Neill in the archives of The Tampa Tribune. Because I am familiar with that part of Fla, it occurred to me to try The St. Petersburg Times, and I found the article I posted. I wonder how many people would know to try that route? One way of interpreting this info re O'Neill is a terrible indictment against him, yet I wonder if he may have, in fact, played the role of "patsy" or "partial patsy." He is dead after all. The FBI agents who intimidated witnesses after the JFK assassination probably foresaw grand careers in front of them for cooperating with "the shadow government" - certainly not instant death. In a career otherwise full of accolades, in the last few months, O'Neill got "bad boy" press twice - the first time in July 2001 (for being prohibited from returning to Yemen) , and the second in August 2001 (for being negligent with national security documents.) This leaves me to wonder if these events were contrived in advance to cast suspicion on O'Neill later - possibly with his cooperation? He may have played a deliberate role in the unfolding of the events on the 11th, but he may also have been sacrificed to scapegoat later - much like Oswald. Oswald knew in advance about the impending assassination, but did he know the role he was to play afterward? He was, in all likelihood, set up. O'Neill may have been too. He may have been a good guy, or he may have been a bad guy who was then surprisingly betrayed by his colleagues. In short, I don't know WHAT to make of this information, other than it is highly suspicious. Samantha http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] John P. O'Neill/ Head of WTC Security Former FBI Counterterrorism
-Caveat Lector- On Mon, 24 Sep 2001, Samantha L. wrote: > This report says O'Neill took the job earlier this year. CNN's version >quotes the NYC Police Commissioner as saying September 11th would have been >O'Neill's first or second day at the job. Another version says O'Neill was >hired for the job in August. Considering that these attacks had to have been planned for YEARS, even if O'Neill 'took the job earlier this year', the timing seems a tad coincidental for someone with such an extensive background in bin Laden alleged terrorist events to take on the job of WTC security... I also keep remembering reports from people who escaped the WTC regarding security STOPPING people evacuating the towers after they were hit -- in some cases people reported security coming over the building intercom within a few minutes, telling everyone to return to their offices; in at least 2 other separate reports, survivors reported a person actually came and told them NOT to evacuate, and in one case they were herded from the stairwell they were walking down to an empty room on the 14th floor that 'just happened' to have a TV on showing news reports of the attacks... These people only survived because they IGNORED the advice/order to remain where they were, and they decided to continue evacuating... Meanwhile, according to Rudolph Guliani's account, he was attempting to set up a base whereby he could communicate to people in the WTC that they should evacuate immediately...and yet for some reason the WTC security was instructing the WTC to do just the opposite... > Assuming all security personnel within the WTC complex are in radio >contact, would the decision to command employees (over the loudspeaker >system) to remain at their desks have come from the head of security? I've worked as a security guard in the past, so I have some knowledge in this matter. I assume that the rank-and-file security force at the WTC was probably private security; the WTC used to be owned by the Port Authority of NYC, so security was presumably under their office; but the building was recently sold to a private firm, so presumably security also became a private affair at that time... In either case, there would have (or should have) been a standard emergencies procedures manual for the security staff, and especially after the 1993 attack there should have been procedures established for a bomb/explosion, definitely procedures for a major fire. Keep in mind that at that time of day especially, a 'security guard' is little more than a receptionist with a uniform; keep in mind that these men and women are paid little more than minimum wage and get minimal, if any, training (presuming it was a private security company handling security at the WTC; even if the guards were direct employees of WTC, their pay and training wouldn't have been all that different from contract private security firms'). They probably didn't even have radios (in my experience it was a very rare occurance to have radios assigned, and when they were they usually had dead batteries), but instead the guards were expected to call in reports via a standard phone at their station (I once was assigned to a post where there was neither phone nor radio, and no explanation as to what I was expected to do if there was an 'incident') -- phones which probably didn't work after the planes hit...so any guard on the lower levels of Tower One probably had a problem calling in the incident at approx. 8:48 when the first plane hit...it would have been up to each guard to make a judgement call as to what to do. This would have been especially true in the second tower before it was hit -- over there, there was almost 15 minutes elapsed before the 2nd plane hit...time where many many people could have been evacuated had it been commenced immediately... Quite frankly, based on my own experience, most of the guards probably decided to save their own butts. If I'd been working as a guard there (especially in the 2nd tower), I would have stayed at my post as long as possible, but I definitely would have instructed the occupants on the floors I was responsible for to evacuate as soon as possible -- my individual judgement call would have been that it would have been better to get everyone out and then discover it was possibly a relatively minor incident, rather than keep people inside and then discover it was too late to get out... But that would have been my individual call... The only way I would have gotten on an intercom and told people to return to their offices, or stand in a stairwell and physically stop people from evacuating, would have been if I had been specifically instructed to do so...and that decision would have to have come from higher up. Quite frankly, I would have made the intercom announcement under protest, and under no circumstances would I have agreed to STOP people already in the process of evacuating the building. In fact, I would have done the exact oppo
Re: [CTRL] John P. O'Neill/ Head of WTC Security Former FBI Counterterrorism
-Caveat Lector- This report says O'Neill took the job earlier this year. CNN's version quotes the NYC Police Commissioner as saying September 11th would have been O'Neill's first or second day at the job. Another version says O'Neill was hired for the job in August. I have a question Assuming all security personnel within the WTC complex are in radio contact, would the decision to command employees (over the loudspeaker system) to remain at their desks have come from the head of security? An interesting piece of info: http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/special/terror/aftermath/1058676 Last month, FBI sources confirmed that O'Neill was under investigation after he left a briefcase containing classified information unattended in a hotel in Tampa, Fla., last year. The briefcase, which was recovered and returned to O'Neill, contained several documents that included a report outlining virtually every national security operation in New York. Other info: http://www.barnesreview.org/j/1996/7/TBR2.html July 1996 editorial: [snip] Last April 28 The Washington Times ran prominently (thereby gaining more neoconservative points) an ominous story on terrorist potential within the United States. It reported that Islamic radicals âpose new terrorist dangers to Ameri cansâ and have âbecome the top priority of FBI counter-terrorism agents.â FBI counter-terrorism section chief John P. OâNeill said Islamic radicals (who have poured across our porous borders in recent decades) form âthe greatest threat coming to us domestically." OâNeill said those involved in the bombing of New Yorkâs World Trade Center were from Egypt, Pakistan, Ku wait and Iraq as well as from Islamic elements in this country. These people are well ânetworkedâ and consider the United States one of their âtheaters of war.â OâNeill warns: âThese people are characterized as free moving (largely financed by rackets and scams they operate here) . . . They can quickly assemble and quickly disperse, and they are extraordinarily hard to track.â -- >From a speech: http://www.nationalstrategy.com/speakers/oneill.html Excerpts from the Speech of JOHN P. O'NEILL Chief, International Terrorism Operations Federal Bureau of Investigation. Presented at the National Strategy Forum on June 11, 1997 "...Law enforcement as most of you have seen in the last five years come out and law enforcement officials talked about that street crime cannot be dealt with just as a law enforcement problem. We need community policing. We need neighborhood watches. We need the activism to help us combat street crime. And it's pretty much the same way with acts of terrorism. We need to strengthen those soft targets as we investigate groups and individuals whom they try to attack us or attack our citizens. We also need to take a look at those logical places where terrorists may attack and try to strengthen them. " "...And that's much the same mindset in terms of terrorists picking their targets. So we can marry the public and the private sector together in terms of corporate security concerns. You know those places that are logical places for terrorists to hit, we like to do that marrying there. The other job is pretty simple to see, a little bit more difficult to carry out, and our job is relatively simple. It's to prevent acts of terrorism occurring against Americans in the United States and in those situations where an act has occurred have a massive response to be able to catch those people that are involved in the event and stop the -- that word terror, and the terrorists from sometimes stalling the American way of life. " -- Samantha In a message dated 9/23/01 8:03:41 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > While with the FBI, O'Neill headed investigations of the deadly attacks on > U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in 1998 and the bombing last year of > the > USS Cole in Yemen. That attack, also a suicide bombing, is thought to be > tied > to Osama bin Laden, whom top U.S. officials have tied to last week's attacks. > > http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archive
