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 In a message dated 9/20/02 8:27:04 PM Central Daylight Time,
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  Do you think the US has agents in Israel?

 Does Israel give us 6 billion bucks a year and protect us from all the
people
 in the world who hate us?

Ignorant racist fool. The answer is YES.

Joshua2

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Re: [CTRL] NEST OF ISRAELI AGENTS IN THE U.S. GOVERNMENT --j2

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 No, Thatâs what we give them - they give us a place to test illegal
weapons,
 and have guaranteed access to the oil producing regions of the world.

Who has guaranteed access to the oil producing regions of the world?
Israel?
So anyway WE give Israel at least $6,000,000,000 a year and they spy on us
and you have the stones to ask if we spy on them? Talk about gall!

Bill.

Of course we spy on them.  What do you think the Liberty was doing
when they shot it up?

J2

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Re: [CTRL] NEST OF ISRAELI AGENTS IN THE U.S. GOVERNMENT

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 In a message dated 9/20/02 10:52:29 PM Central Daylight Time,
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  Wake up
  Everyone spies on everyone

 Not people who owe their very survival on those they're spying on...that
show
 a deeply flawed character.

 Bill.

Fuck you Shannon. Talk about a deeply flawed character.
Racist, paranoid, LaRouchie.

Did you READ the LaRouche article you posted you dumb schmuck?

 a 1996 Israeli government policy that is being foisted on the President
by a nest of Israeli agents inside the U.S. government.

 This Israeli spy network inside the United States was unable achieve
their objective until President Bush was entrapped by the events of
Sept. 11, 2001 and the falsified accounts of those events provided by
this foreign intelligence apparatus, and lured over to their policies. 

Gee. EVERYBODY in the intelligence services are so gullible. Only those
really clever Jews could manage to fool evrybody but the even more
clever Lyndon LaRouche.

 On July 8, 1996, Richard Perle, now the Chairman of the Defense Policy
Board, an advisory group that reports to Deputy Defense Secretary Paul
Wolfowitz,
 presented a written document to Israeli Prime Minister
Benjamin Netanyahu, spelling out a new Israeli foreign policy,

Now let's analyse this. Israeli spies in the US gov don't present Israeli
Prime ministers with a new foreign policy. Israeli Prime Ministers don't
make such decisions alone. They work it through their parliaments and
must get their backing. This story is ridiculous on its face.

If he is not an Israeli spy. Why is an American oficial presenting a foreign
SOVEREIGN country's Prime Minister with new foreign policy directives?

Who's zooming who?

 calling
for a repudiation of the Oslo Accords and the underlying concept of
land for peace; for the permanent annexation of the entire West Bank
and Gaza Strip; and for the elimination of the Saddam Hussein regime in
Baghdad, as a first step towards overthrowing or destabilizing the
governments of Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia and Iran. The document was
prepared for the Jerusalem and Washington, DC-based Institute for
Advanced Strategic and Political Studies (IASPS), a think tank financed
by Richard Mellon-Scaife.

You mean the Zionist Richard Mellon-Scaife? Or the Ultra-conservative
Richard Mellon-Scaife.

There IS NO Zionist Richard Mellon-Scaife.

 The report, A Clean Break: A New Strategy for
Securing the Realm, was co-authored by Perle; Douglas Feith, currently
the Assistant Secretary of Defense for Policy; David Wurmser, currently
special assistant to State Department chief arms control negotiator John
Bolton; and Meyrav Wurmser, now Director of Mideast Policy at the Hudson
Institute.

All these clowns are the super-hawks of the Reagan era. Some of them
are Jews. But the point is that they are different from the Liberal
Globalists
who have historically been pro-Arab. The guys in the Clinton administration.
The land for peace guys. The Oslo guys.

 Two days after he received the foreign policy blueprint from Perle,
Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu delivered a speech before a joint
session of the U.S. Congress, which strongly echoed the IASPS outline.
The same day, the Wall Street Journal published excerpts from the IASPS
document, and the next day, July 11, 1996, the Journal editorially
endorsed the Perle document.

Beginning in February 1998, the British government of Prime Minister
Tony Blair launched a concerted effort, in league with the Netanyahu
government in Israel, and the Perle Israeli agent-of-influence networks
inside the United States, to induce President William Clinton to launch
a war against Iraq, under precisely the terms spelled out for Netanyahu
in the Clean Break paper. The war was to be launched, ostensibly, over
Iraq's possession of weapons of mass destruction. United Nations
weapons inspectors were, at this time, still on the ground inside Iraq.

And it all went away untill September 11 2001, when Arab terrorists
attacked the USA and killed 3000 Americans.

In addition to that the Oslo Peace process totally backfired into violent
terrorist, and counter terrorist conflict. Everything that the NWO elites
tried with the Arabs was falling apart.

And that pretty much ended 55 years of ALWAYS pro-Saudi, and SOMETIMES
pro-Israel policies.

The Arabs couldn't get their shit together. They were violent, corrupt and
stupid.
They hated the USA in a way which couldn't be covered up anymore. And
so it was time to take the bull by the balls and get rid of these useless
proxies and take over the region by force. With out anyone to stop it, the
US has
a rare window of opportunity to do anything it wants to. It want's to remove
control of the Gulf's oil from their flaky

Re: [CTRL] NEST OF ISRAELI AGENTS IN THE U.S. GOVERNMENT

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In a message dated 9/22/02 6:13:56 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


 Does Israel give us 6 billion bucks a year and protect us from all the
people
 in the world who hate us?

Ignorant racist fool. The answer is YES.


You're saying that Israel gives us $6,000,000,000 a year and protects us too?? And then you call me names?? Since it's Sunday and I've got to mentally prepare for another grueling Bears game I shall let your namecalling stand...for now.

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Re: [CTRL] NEST OF ISRAELI AGENTS IN THE U.S. GOVERNMENT --j2

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Of course we spy on them. What do you think the Liberty was doing
when they shot it up?

Are you suggesting that what was done to the Liberty is ok?
Why not make that suggestion to the survivors and the families of the victims? I'd love to see that!

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Re: [CTRL] NEST OF ISRAELI AGENTS IN THE U.S. GOVERNMENT

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In a message dated 9/22/02 6:14:01 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Fuck you Shannon. Talk about a deeply flawed character.
Racist, paranoid, LaRouchie.

Now now...did someone wake up on the wrong side of the bed this fine morning?
When you don't resort to namecalling you make some interesting, though lightweight and propagandic, arguements but then you ruin any credibility you might ever aspire to by losing your temper and having another hissy fit.

This is the way it happened you racist prick. This is the American Empire.
Smaller nations serve IT. It's ALWAYS been this way.

I've been telling you for years that your racism makes you stupid. Here
is another perfect example. You're Jew hatred has you reinventing the
obvious
so pricks like you could make believe that the Jew tail wags the dog.

You are a disgraceful lying shit shannon.

As I've stated to you FOR YEARS - I have nothing against any group of people based on race or religion (unlike you) but there are political positions that I find disgustingly ugly such as your beloved Zionism. You once again lapse into the tired old tactic of calling anyone who expresses displeasure with the Israeli government or distaste for racist and apartheid Zionism a racist. You'd think you and your ADL/JDL buddies would come up with a new method at some point...hopefully they're working on it and will send you new marching orders soon!!

Have a nice NFL Sunday Zev.
GO BEARS!

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Re: [CTRL] NEST OF ISRAELI AGENTS IN THE U.S. GOVERNMENT --j2

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He did not say it was OK

He said that Americans were spying on Israelis.

Bill you and FLW consistently make these logical leaps and assumptions, and then act as if the person you are writing to said these things instead of you.

The question is why is it OK for the US to spy on Israel, but not OK in the other direction.?

on 9/22/02 8:02 AM, William Shannon at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Of course we spy on them. What do you think the Liberty was doing
when they shot it up?

Are you suggesting that what was done to the Liberty is ok?
Why not make that suggestion to the survivors and the families of the victims? I'd love to see that!

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Re: [CTRL] NEST OF ISRAELI AGENTS IN THE U.S. GOVERNMENT

2002-09-22 Thread Zuukie

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Shannon, you are such a foolishly
gullible person for certain types
of information that you post on the board here that it's a wonder you
can stand up straight when you get out of bed in the morning. 


You get uptight at the idea that Israel
should have spies over here.
Obviously you don't trust every individual and organization in
the US. If you did, you wouldn't be posting here. You're interested
even though probably it wouldn't make a dent in your life if you
were right or wrong. Nobody is out to kill you, your family and the
people in your neighborhood, something you could prevent if you
had the right information.


The internet is filled with people
who don't completely trust every
individual and organization in the US. At the very basic level,
the Republicans don't trust the Democrats and vice versa.
Although no one talks about it, my guess is that they have
operatives in each other's camps. The US government puts
operatives into the camps of groups here they worry about. The
LaRouchies ran and may still run a huge information gathering
network and made money selling their information around the
world. Scientologists put their people all over. The Moonies didn't
get the money to set up their huge business network selling
marriage licenses. Do you think overseas terrorist cells are only
broken because of tips that come from overheard words at rest stop
restaurants?


The Mossad rightly shouldn't
trust every individual and
organization in the US because the lives of Israeli citizens
depends on what they know. Now they can get the information they
need in a number of ways. They can do firsthand research for one.


You would have us believe they should
read the internet daily and
trust that everything they read is true. 


That kind of thinking is why I don't
trust the authors of the things
you post.


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Re: [CTRL] NEST OF ISRAELI AGENTS IN THE U.S. GOVERNMENT --j2

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The question is why is it OK for the US to spy on Israel, but not OK in the other direction.?

In a perfect world it wouldn't be "ok" but in this world we give them billions of our tax dollars a year and defend them like they're our 51st state and to spy on the very people who are essentially propping them up is obscene.

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Shannon, you are such a foolishly gullible person for certain types of information that you post on the board here that it's a wonder you can stand up straight when you get out of bed in the morning. 

Seems the Zionazis are on a namecalling binge today. Zuukie, I think you're over your head here...go back to the marching band drum corps and Jewish history forums where you're a better fit.

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Re: [CTRL] NEST OF ISRAELI AGENTS IN THE U.S. GOVERNMENT --j2

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Its not a perfect world.

People and states pursue their own interests. Some of those interest are inimical to others. The others want to know. This is true about Israelis looking for anti-Semitic or anti-Israeli groups in the US and elsewhere. It is true of American spies in countries we are allies with. This is the information age. There will be information gatherers of all types with all sorts of agendas. You understand this this understanding is central to this very list we are on. Welcome to the 21st century.

So now lets try again, and see if a real full answer comes this time. Why is it OK for the US to spy on Israel?

on 9/22/02 10:51 AM, William Shannon at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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The question is why is it OK for the US to spy on Israel, but not OK in the other direction.?

In a perfect world it wouldn't be ok but in this world we give them billions of our tax dollars a year and defend them like they're our 51st state and to spy on the very people who are essentially propping them up is obscene.

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Re: [CTRL] NEST OF ISRAELI AGENTS IN THE U.S. GOVERNMENT --j2

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So now lets try again, and see if a real full answer comes this time. Why is it OK for the US to spy on Israel?

Thanks for the 101 civics lesson.
It is not ok for the benefactors of American tax dollars to spy on the people who are propping them up and protecting them from what decades of abuse and hatred have wrought.

If anyone thinks their tax dollars are better spent paying off an ungrateful bunch of whiners and murderers than shoring up our borders and taking care of our own they are pathetically UN-American and might consider moving to Occupied Palestine.

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Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2002 8:02 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] NEST OF ISRAELI AGENTS IN THE U.S. GOVERNMENT --j2

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 In a message dated 9/22/02 6:14:00 AM Central Daylight Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Of course we spy on them.  What do you think the Liberty was doing
  when they shot it up?

 Are you suggesting that what was done to the Liberty is ok?
 Why not make that suggestion to the survivors and the families of the
 victims? I'd love to see that!

 Bill.

Don't play games jerkoff. The question was do WE spy on Israel.
My answer was yes. The Liberty being that example.

Nowhere in my response above do I say it was ok.

But if that was indeed the case, then ANY country has the right
to protect itself.

As for telling the the relatives and survivors, they all knew the risks
of being in the military on a spy ship. And the other question is what
made it OK for the individuals on the Liberty to spy on an ally and pass the
information to Israel's enemies WHILE THEY WERE FIGHTING A WAR?

Is that ok Shannon? Who is screwing who here?

I don't see them or you or ANYBODY else for that matter make a big deal
out of an identical situation where our ally Sadam shot up a US spyship
in the Gulf while it was spying on him and Iran during the Iran/Iraq war.
Sadam said it was an accident, and we dropped the issue.

This is what we do when we get caught.

The point here is that the US spies on its friends and allies when
it wants to. All countries spy on all other countries.

J2

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Re: [CTRL] NEST OF ISRAELI AGENTS IN THE U.S. GOVERNMENT --j2

2002-09-22 Thread Mermaid

Title: Re: [CTRL] NEST OF ISRAELI AGENTS IN THE U.S. GOVERNMENT --j2
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Everyone spies on everyone I thought this
was generally an accepted belief. Noone trusts anyone.And who can blame them.But
if a nation is caught spying on another nation that is supporting it with money
then surely that nation has a right to take away its support.If the nation who
is receiving the support is blackmailing them at the same time to go to war on
its behalf then what hold do they have over them in the first place? Which
brings us neatly back to spying.
The Mermaid

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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2002 4:37
PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] NEST OF ISRAELI
AGENTS IN THE U.S. GOVERNMENT --j2
-Caveat Lector- Its not a
perfect world.People and states pursue their own interests. Some of
those interest are inimical to others. The others want to know. This is true
about Israelis looking for anti-Semitic or anti-Israeli groups in the US and
elsewhere. It is true of American spies in countries we are allies with. This
is the information age. There will be information gatherers of all types with
all sorts of agendas. You understand this this understanding is central to
this very list we are on. Welcome to the 21st century.So now lets try
again, and see if a real full answer comes this time. Why is it OK for the US
to spy on Israel?on 9/22/02 10:51 AM, William Shannon at
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-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/22/02 9:30:44 AM
Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The question is why is it OK for
the US to spy on Israel, but not OK in the other
direction.?In a perfect world it
wouldn't be "ok" but in this world we give them billions of our tax dollars
a year and defend them like they're our 51st state and to spy on the very
people who are essentially propping them up is
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Re: [CTRL] NEST OF ISRAELI AGENTS IN THE U.S. GOVERNMENT --j2

Title: Re: [CTRL] NEST OF ISRAELI AGENTS IN THE U.S. GOVERNMENT --j2
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You are generally a smart well spoken guy, these outbursts dont serve you.

Your statements rest on this assumption that all Americans are working together, in lockstep, towards some national goal and you know it isnt true. More to the point, you are once again telling my why its not OK for Israel to spy on the US I asked why is it OK for the US to spy on Israel.

Our tax dollars have been misspent propping up every brutal dictator who ever killed a Communist, or just happened to have a barrel of oil handy. Why is Israel the only one that sticks in your craw so? Why not say that people can move to Saudi Arabia, or America occupied panama, or occupied Jordan, Or Occupied Chechnya?

on 9/22/02 11:55 AM, William Shannon at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/22/02 10:38:21 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

So now lets try again, and see if a real full answer comes this time. Why is it OK for the US to spy on Israel?

Bill.

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Re: [CTRL] NEST OF ISRAELI AGENTS IN THE U.S. GOVERNMENT --j2

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Don't play games jerkoff. 

You sure are angry...did your pawnshop get robbed or what?
Namecalling got you in trouble before and it seems to me you haven't learned a thing.
Nothing funnier to me than an angry,slobbering Zionazi!
Thanks for the chuckle!

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Re: [CTRL] NEST OF ISRAELI AGENTS IN THE U.S. GOVERNMENT --j2

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In a message dated 9/22/02 11:03:13 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

You are generally a smart well spoken guy, these outbursts donât serve you.

What outbursts?
Just today I was called, by your partner in crime, a "jerkoff", "racist", "paranoid", a "racist prick" and told to "fuck off"...I am not the one with the anger management issues nor am outbursting!

I agree that we have in the past misspent tons of tax dollars propping up people and regimes that were dispicable, and I have loudly spoken against that. Israel is only country that we spend that obscene amount of money on, that's why it sticks in my craw. No matter what we send them the check...for years and years. It need to stop.

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The US absolutely has the right to pull support from Israel if it wants to. 
(I dont think it wants to  the benefits outweigh any harm a little spying can do)

I dont think the war on Iraq is being thrust on us by Israel, Bush has a hard-on for this that comes from being in bed with the Saudis the Bahrainis the Kuwaiti's and his other oil buddies/masters. Besides Saddam made his daddy look bad and cry.


on 9/22/02 12:19 PM, Mermaid at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

-Caveat Lector- 
Everyone spies on everyone I thought this was generally an accepted belief. Noone trusts anyone.And who can blame them.But if a nation is caught spying on another nation that is supporting it with money then surely that nation has a right to take away its support.If the nation who is receiving the support is blackmailing them at the same time to go to war on its behalf then what hold do they have over them in the first place? Which brings us neatly back to spying.
The Mermaid 
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Subject: Re: [CTRL] NEST OF ISRAELI AGENTS IN THE U.S. GOVERNMENT --j2

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Its not a perfect world.

People and states pursue their own interests. Some of those interest are inimical to others. The others want to know. This is true about Israelis looking for anti-Semitic or anti-Israeli groups in the US and elsewhere. It is true of American spies in countries we are allies with. This is the information age. There will be information gatherers of all types with all sorts of agendas. You understand this  this understanding is central to this very list we are on. Welcome to the 21st century.

So now lets try again, and see if a real full answer comes this time. Why is it OK for the US to spy on Israel?


on 9/22/02 10:51 AM, William Shannon at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/22/02 9:30:44 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


The question is why is it OK for the US to spy on Israel, but not OK in the other direction.?


In a perfect world it wouldn't be ok but in this world we give them billions of our tax dollars a year and defend them like they're our 51st state and to spy on the very people who are essentially propping them up is obscene.

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Re: [CTRL] NEST OF ISRAELI AGENTS IN THE U.S. GOVERNMENT

2002-09-21 Thread Prudy L

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Do you think the US has agents in Israel?


No. I don't think they do. They probably would like to have them, but I think they're too scared of Israel to try it. The Israeli do not suffer fools gladly, and they strike pretty hard. Remember the Liberty? Prudy
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[CTRL] NEST OF ISRAELI AGENTS IN THE U.S. GOVERNMENT

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http://topica.com/lists/infotimes/read/message.html?mid=1711052810



NEST OF ISRAELI AGENTS IN THE U.S. GOVERNMENT
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/InfoTimes/message/1473


(EIRNS) -- The following statement was released today by LaRouche in 
2004, Lyndon LaRouche's campaign committee for the Democratic 
Presidential nomination. The statement is being circulated widely 
throughout the United States in leaflet form.

Lyndon LaRouche reports that there is now firm evidence that the ongoing 
drive to induce President George W. Bush to launch a war against Iraq is 
a 1996 Israeli government policy that is being foisted on the President 
by a nest of Israeli agents inside the U.S. government.

This Israeli spy network inside the United States was unable achieve 
their objective until President Bush was entrapped by the events of 
Sept. 11, 2001 and the falsified accounts of those events provided by 
this foreign intelligence apparatus, and lured over to their policies. 
Lyndon LaRouche demands to know: Is this not the motive that explains 
the who and why of the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001? LaRouche demands an 
immediate Congressional investigation to help purge the U.S. government 
of this foreign intelligence apparatus, which attempted, with the 9/11 
events, to seize control over U.S. foreign policy. The network of 
Pollard "stay-behinds" inside the Bush Administration is engaged in a 
witting hoax to induce the President and the U.S. Congress to go to war.

When you read the summary evidence below, you will certainly share 
Lyndon LaRouche's conclusion that all of these people must be 
immediately fired from their Administration posts, and that the U.S. 
Congress must launch public hearings to get to the bottom of this 
criminal scheme.

The summary facts are as follows:

On July 8, 1996, Richard Perle, now the Chairman of the Defense Policy 
Board, an advisory group that reports to Deputy Defense Secretary Paul 
Wolfowitz, presented a written document to Israeli Prime Minister 
Benjamin Netanyahu, spelling out a new Israeli foreign policy, calling 
for a repudiation of the Oslo Accords and the underlying concept of 
"land for peace"; for the permanent annexation of the entire West Bank 
and Gaza Strip; and for the elimination of the Saddam Hussein regime in 
Baghdad, as a first step towards overthrowing or destabilizing the 
governments of Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia and Iran. The document was 
prepared for the Jerusalem and Washington, DC-based Institute for 
Advanced Strategic and Political Studies (IASPS), a think tank financed 
by Richard Mellon-Scaife. The report, "A Clean Break: A New Strategy for 
Securing the Realm," was co-authored by Perle; Douglas Feith, currently 
the Assistant Secretary of Defense for Policy; David Wurmser, currently 
special assistant to State Department chief arms control negotiator John 
Bolton; and Meyrav Wurmser, now Director of Mideast Policy at the Hudson 
Institute.

Two days after he received the foreign policy blueprint from Perle, 
Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu delivered a speech before a joint 
session of the U.S. Congress, which strongly echoed the IASPS outline. 
The same day, the Wall Street Journal published excerpts from the IASPS 
document, and the next day, July 11, 1996, the Journal editorially 
endorsed the Perle document.

Beginning in February 1998, the British government of Prime Minister 
Tony Blair launched a concerted effort, in league with the Netanyahu 
government in Israel, and the Perle Israeli agent-of-influence networks 
inside the United States, to induce President William Clinton to launch 
a war against Iraq, under precisely the terms spelled out for Netanyahu 
in the "Clean Break" paper. The war was to be launched, ostensibly, over 
Iraq's possession of "weapons of mass destruction." United Nations 
weapons inspectors were, at this time, still on the ground inside Iraq.

To buttress the war drive, British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook issued 
an official lying "white paper" on the Iraqi drive to obtain WMD. On 
Feb. 19, 1998, Richard Perle and former Congressman Stephen Solarz 
released an "Open Letter to the President," demanding a full-scale 
U.S.-led drive for "regime change" in Baghdad. The dangerously 
incompetent military scheme for the overthrow of Saddam that was 
published in the Open Letter has been recently revived by the Perle-led 
network of "chickenhawks" in the office of Secretary of Defense--but has 
been summarily rejected by the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Among the 
signators on the original Perle-Solarz letter were the following current 
Bush Administration officials: Elliott Abrams (National Security 
Council), Richard Armitage (State Department), John Bolton (State 
Department), Doug Feith (Defense Department), Fred Ikle (Defense Policy 
Board), Zalmay Khalilzad (White House), Peter Rodman (Defense 
Department), Donald Rumsfeld (Secretary of Defense), Paul Wolfowitz 
(Defense Department), David Wurmser

Re: [CTRL] NEST OF ISRAELI AGENTS IN THE U.S. GOVERNMENT

2002-09-20 Thread thew

Title: Re: [CTRL] NEST OF ISRAELI AGENTS IN THE U.S. GOVERNMENT
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Without getting into larouche
A quick question

Do you think the US has agents in Israel?



on 9/20/02 6:32 PM, William Shannon at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

-Caveat Lector- http://topica.com/lists/infotimes/read/message.html?mid=1711052810



NEST OF ISRAELI AGENTS IN THE U.S. GOVERNMENT
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/InfoTimes/message/1473


(EIRNS) -- The following statement was released today by LaRouche in 
2004, Lyndon LaRouche's campaign committee for the Democratic 
Presidential nomination. The statement is being circulated widely 
throughout the United States in leaflet form.

Lyndon LaRouche reports that there is now firm evidence that the ongoing 
drive to induce President George W. Bush to launch a war against Iraq is 
a 1996 Israeli government policy that is being foisted on the President 
by a nest of Israeli agents inside the U.S. government.

This Israeli spy network inside the United States was unable achieve 
their objective until President Bush was entrapped by the events of 
Sept. 11, 2001 and the falsified accounts of those events provided by 
this foreign intelligence apparatus, and lured over to their policies. 
Lyndon LaRouche demands to know: Is this not the motive that explains 
the who and why of the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001? LaRouche demands an 
immediate Congressional investigation to help purge the U.S. government 
of this foreign intelligence apparatus, which attempted, with the 9/11 
events, to seize control over U.S. foreign policy. The network of 
Pollard stay-behinds inside the Bush Administration is engaged in a 
witting hoax to induce the President and the U.S. Congress to go to war.

When you read the summary evidence below, you will certainly share 
Lyndon LaRouche's conclusion that all of these people must be 
immediately fired from their Administration posts, and that the U.S. 
Congress must launch public hearings to get to the bottom of this 
criminal scheme.

The summary facts are as follows:

On July 8, 1996, Richard Perle, now the Chairman of the Defense Policy 
Board, an advisory group that reports to Deputy Defense Secretary Paul 
Wolfowitz, presented a written document to Israeli Prime Minister 
Benjamin Netanyahu, spelling out a new Israeli foreign policy, calling 
for a repudiation of the Oslo Accords and the underlying concept of 
land for peace; for the permanent annexation of the entire West Bank 
and Gaza Strip; and for the elimination of the Saddam Hussein regime in 
Baghdad, as a first step towards overthrowing or destabilizing the 
governments of Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia and Iran. The document was 
prepared for the Jerusalem and Washington, DC-based Institute for 
Advanced Strategic and Political Studies (IASPS), a think tank financed 
by Richard Mellon-Scaife. The report, A Clean Break: A New Strategy for 
Securing the Realm, was co-authored by Perle; Douglas Feith, currently 
the Assistant Secretary of Defense for Policy; David Wurmser, currently 
special assistant to State Department chief arms control negotiator John 
Bolton; and Meyrav Wurmser, now Director of Mideast Policy at the Hudson 
Institute.

Two days after he received the foreign policy blueprint from Perle, 
Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu delivered a speech before a joint 
session of the U.S. Congress, which strongly echoed the IASPS outline. 
The same day, the Wall Street Journal published excerpts from the IASPS 
document, and the next day, July 11, 1996, the Journal editorially 
endorsed the Perle document.

Beginning in February 1998, the British government of Prime Minister 
Tony Blair launched a concerted effort, in league with the Netanyahu 
government in Israel, and the Perle Israeli agent-of-influence networks 
inside the United States, to induce President William Clinton to launch 
a war against Iraq, under precisely the terms spelled out for Netanyahu 
in the Clean Break paper. The war was to be launched, ostensibly, over 
Iraq's possession of weapons of mass destruction. United Nations 
weapons inspectors were, at this time, still on the ground inside Iraq.

To buttress the war drive, British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook issued 
an official lying white paper on the Iraqi drive to obtain WMD. On 
Feb. 19, 1998, Richard Perle and former Congressman Stephen Solarz 
released an Open Letter to the President, demanding a full-scale 
U.S.-led drive for regime change in Baghdad. The dangerously 
incompetent military scheme for the overthrow of Saddam that was 
published in the Open Letter has been recently revived by the Perle-led 
network of chickenhawks in the office of Secretary of Defense--but has 
been summarily rejected by the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Among the 
signators on the original Perle-Solarz letter were the following current 
Bush Administration officials: Elliott Abrams (National Security 
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Do you think the US has agents in Israel?

Does Israel give us 6 billion bucks a year and protect us from all the people in the world who hate us?

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No, Thats what we give them - they give us a place to test illegal weapons, and have guaranteed access to the oil producing regions of the world. 

on 9/20/02 11:01 PM, William Shannon at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Do you think the US has agents in Israel?


Does Israel give us 6 billion bucks a year and protect us from all the people in the world who hate us?


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No, Thatâs what we give them - they give us a place to test illegal weapons, and have guaranteed access to the oil producing regions of the world. 

Who has "guaranteed access to the oil producing regions of the world?" Israel? 
So anyway WE give Israel at least $6,000,000,000 a year and they spy on us and you have the stones to ask if we spy on them? Talk about gall!

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Wake up
Everyone spies on everyone

Thats the point.

on 9/20/02 11:39 PM, William Shannon at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/20/02 10:27:50 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


No, Thats what we give them - they give us a place to test illegal weapons, and have guaranteed access to the oil producing regions of the world. 


Who has guaranteed access to the oil producing regions of the world? Israel? 
So anyway WE give Israel at least $6,000,000,000 a year and they spy on us and you have the stones to ask if we spy on them? Talk about gall!

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