Re: [CTRL] Okay to give little kids to big rich lesbians and homosexuals?

2001-04-23 Thread Aleisha Saba

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Vile affections - lewd and lasciviciouness - this is how I feel about
Rosie O'Donnell who now flaunts her lesbianism while adopting the little
kids - like Michael Jackson, that sicko, took in the little boys?

There are many raised eyebrows now re Rosie O'Donnell - and with all her
money oh this one kid kept her from getting sleep.tough.   She has
the money to hire someone who cares about children.

These were alleged abused children this "it" took into her home;  long
ago I was concerned for this little two year old with teeth knocked out,
and bloodied nose and her one "duhhh" son as he called him a little
firstgrader who she maintains is such a dullard - she exposes these
children to public ridicule.

Mentally there is something wrong with her; it is as though she has been
given a truth serum, but I remember that scene from Saturday Night Live
where she had part of a nativity scene, the baby Jesus - and holding it
above her head to smash on floor?   That is funny?   Look at track
record of that NBC much, murders, contacts with Russian Mafia through
murder, OJ, Belushi, and the fat guy and the one who had a nutty wife
who killed hi at peak of career?   These are nice people?   Say this
anybody ever check their luggge or planes for drugs?

Rosie O'Donnell is sick - mentally and physically I believe - but this
pushing, pushing, pushing of these people on innocent children I find to
be criminal because it is conspiracy..little kids for toys for these
perverts is exactly what the scenario seems to be.

Would you let your kid spend a night in Michael Jackson's bed - well
this one father got what was it $20 million for leasing out his kid for
a night or two.

Slave shps with little kids being shiped around the world?

Now when the police arrived at Rosie's house imagine - them beating on
her door an she says Oh I Am A Foster Mother - Mama Pig Rosie.

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Re: [CTRL] Okay to give little kids to big rich lesbians and homosexuals? (fwd)

2001-04-23 Thread Yardbird

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> oh my god i apologize from the depths of my anals you are right oh
> god...there does that make you feel better...again YOU ARE WRONG IN THE EYES
> OF THE AMERICAN HERITAGE DICTIONARY...take you Oxford and shove it up your
> tight ass...oh but then that would be sodomy committed by a
> dictionary...right???

Well...that was certainly a reasoned rebuttal. Honestly though I like
being "wrong in the eyes of the American Heritage Dictionary" as I feel
all heretical (purely in the etymological sense mind you :)) Also if I did
shove the Oxford English Dictionary up my allegedly tight ass it would
actually constitute an acute form of bibliophilia and not sodomy.

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Re: [CTRL] Okay to give little kids to big rich lesbians and homosexuals?

2001-04-23 Thread YnrChyldzWyld

On Mon, 23 Apr 2001, The Extremist wrote:
>>Funny, since there is not one statement regarding homosexuality in the
>>whole of the New Testament attributed to having been said by Jesus
>>Himself.
>
>Wrong, June.  The Word of the LORD is crystal clear on homosexuals:

The passages you quote are the letters of PAUL (except for Revelations,
which was written by John). I am not wrong.  Those are PAUL's (and
John's) words, not Jesus'.  There is not one statement directly
attributable to Jesus in the whole of the Gospels regarding
homosexuality.

So don't presume to put words into Jesus' mouth, because of all the
things He condemned, homosexuality is conspicuous by its absence.


>Corinthians I 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the
>kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor
>adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
>Corinthians I 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers,
>nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Why is it that only homosexuality is picked out of the above list.  Why
aren't fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, or 'abusers of themselves with
mankind' (whatever THAT means) singled out for phobic bashing like gays
are?


>Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these;
>Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
>Galatians 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath,
>strife, seditions, heresies,
>Galatians 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like:
>of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that
>they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Again, why aren't those who adulterers, fornicators, 'unclean' (again,
whatever THAT means), lascivious, idolaters, practice witchcraft, and all
the others subject to the same sort of organized bashing which is
reserved for gays.

I particularly note that those who are filled with hatred are mentioned
in the above list.  And yet you 'good Christians' seem to feel that it's
okay to hate gays.

And the bottom line is, while you all have the right to practice your
superstition, you do NOT have the right to impose your superstition on
the rest of us.


June ;-)

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Re: [CTRL] Okay to give little kids to big rich lesbians and homosexuals?

2001-04-23 Thread The Extremist


On Sun, 22 Apr 2001, Bill Howard wrote:
>> What would Jesus say?
>
>He would say, "Don't give little children to lesbians and
homosexuals,"

Funny, since there is not one statement regarding homosexuality in
the
whole of the New Testament attributed to having been said by Jesus
Himself.


June
Wrong, June.  The Word of the LORD is crystal clear on
homosexuals:

Corinthians I 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not
inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither
fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor
abusers of themselves with mankind,
Corinthians I 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor
revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 

Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these;
Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 
Galatians 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath,
strife, seditions, heresies, 
Galatians 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like:
of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past,
that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of
God.

Matthew 15:19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders,
adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:


Mark 7:21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil
thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, 
Mark 7:22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit,
lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: 
Mark 7:23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the
man. 

Acts 15:20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions
of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and
from blood.

Romans 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for
even their women did change the natural use into that which is against
nature: 
Romans 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the
woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that
which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their
error which was meet. 
Romans 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their
knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things
which are not convenient; 
Romans 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication,
wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder,
debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Romans 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters,
inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 
Romans 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural
affection, implacable, unmerciful: 
Romans 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit
such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure
in them that do them. 

Revelation 22
11: Let the evildoer still do evil, and the filthy still be
filthy, and the
righteous still do right, and the holy still be holy."
12: "Behold, I am coming soon, bringing my recompense, to repay
every one
for what he has done.
13: I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning
and
the end."
14: Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right
to
the tree of life and that they may enter the city by the gates.
15: Outside are the dogs and sorcerers and fornicators and
murderers and
idolaters, and every one who loves and practices falsehood.
DO NOT BE DECEIVED; God is not mocked, for whatever a man sows,
that he
will also reap.
-
-The Extremist
Bad men cannot make good citizens. It is impossible that a nation
of
infidels or idolaters should be a nation of free men. It is when a
people forget God that tyrants forge their chains.
- Patrick Henry


Re: [CTRL] Okay to give little kids to big rich lesbians and homosexuals?

2001-04-23 Thread Nessie

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>this is exactly what he would say on this issue.


On what do you base this conclusion? 

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Re: [CTRL] Okay to give little kids to big rich lesbians and homosexuals?

2001-04-22 Thread YnrChyldzWyld

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On Sun, 22 Apr 2001, Bill Howard wrote:
>> What would Jesus say?
>
>He would say, "Don't give little children to lesbians and homosexuals,"

Funny, since there is not one statement regarding homosexuality in the
whole of the New Testament attributed to having been said by Jesus
Himself.


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Re: [CTRL] Okay to give little kids to big rich lesbians and homosexuals?

2001-04-22 Thread Bill Howard

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In a message dated 4/22/01 1:57:43 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< So could it be the YOU are wrong??? >>

Nope.

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Re: [CTRL] Okay to give little kids to big rich lesbians and homosexuals?

2001-04-22 Thread bLiTz666

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On 4/22/01 4:10 PM Yardbird put out the following propaganda:

>> actually the American Heritage College Dictionary defines it as this:
>>
>> Sodomy: 1. Anal copulation  of one male with another. 2. Anal or oral
>> copulation with a member of the opposite sex. 3. Copulation with an animal
>>
>> So could it be the YOU are wrong???
>
> Well the Oxford Paperback Dictionary defines it as this:
>
> Sodomy: noun 1 anal intercourse. 2 sexual intercourse between a person and
> an animal.

oh my god i apologize from the depths of my anals you are right oh
god...there does that make you feel better...again YOU ARE WRONG IN THE EYES
OF THE AMERICAN HERITAGE DICTIONARY...take you Oxford and shove it up your
tight ass...oh but then that would be sodomy committed by a
dictionary...right???

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Re: [CTRL] Okay to give little kids to big rich lesbians and homosexuals?

2001-04-22 Thread Yardbird

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>
> actually the American Heritage College Dictionary defines it as this:
>
> Sodomy: 1. Anal copulation  of one male with another. 2. Anal or oral
> copulation with a member of the opposite sex. 3. Copulation with an animal
>
> So could it be the YOU are wrong???

Well the Oxford Paperback Dictionary defines it as this:

Sodomy: noun 1 anal intercourse. 2 sexual intercourse between a person and
an animal.

So perhaps you're wrong Blitz...

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Re: [CTRL] Okay to give little kids to big rich lesbians and homosexuals?

2001-04-22 Thread bLiTz666

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On 4/22/01 3:01 PM Bill Howard put out the following propaganda:

> -Caveat Lector-
>
> In a message dated 4/22/01 10:35:11 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> << "Sodomy" is oral OR anal sex.
>
> Websters New Unabridged Dictionary says, Sodomy, n. any sexual intercourse
> regarded as abnormal, as between persons of the same sex, especally between
> males, or between a person and an animal.
> Strange, Webster doesn't say anything about oral sex. Could it be your are
> wrong again?

actually the American Heritage College Dictionary defines it as this:

Sodomy: 1. Anal copulation  of one male with another. 2. Anal or oral
copulation with a member of the opposite sex. 3. Copulation with an animal

So could it be the YOU are wrong???


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Re: [CTRL] Okay to give little kids to big rich lesbians and homosexuals?

2001-04-22 Thread Yardbird

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> In a message dated 4/22/01 11:04:25 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
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> << another tack then, were the homosexual/ hetrosexual ratio the same as
> today?
>
> if it was then jesus musta tolerated one or two of them working very closely
>
> 12 apostles. even at the most consevative stretch 1 in 12 then he would have
>
> been tolerating at least one (and don't tell me he wouldn't have known- he
>
> was god remember) in his flock >>

This is a specious claim - if homosexuals do exist in such a ratio with
heterosexuals it does not necessarily follow that every group of 12
persons will have a homosexual amongst it. Unless of course all
demographic constructs are predicated on political correctness and that
social groups are inherently obeying some transcendental Law of Heterodox
Sexual Inclusion.
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Re: [CTRL] Okay to give little kids to big rich lesbians and homosexuals?

2001-04-22 Thread Bill Howard

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In a message dated 4/22/01 11:04:25 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< another tack then, were the homosexual/ hetrosexual ratio the same as
today?

if it was then jesus musta tolerated one or two of them working very closely

12 apostles. even at the most consevative stretch 1 in 12 then he would have

been tolerating at least one (and don't tell me he wouldn't have known- he

was god remember) in his flock >>

Again, we don't know. There were no sociologists counting the different
groups of people . We can only assume, and assuming can cause trouble.
But with the jewish take on homosexually, it can be assumed that they were
not welcome in the better classes of society.

Oh, yeah. Fingers are an exception.

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Re: [CTRL] Okay to give little kids to big rich lesbians and homosexuals?

2001-04-22 Thread Bill Howard

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In a message dated 4/22/01 10:35:11 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< "Sodomy" is oral OR anal sex.

Websters New Unabridged Dictionary says, Sodomy, n. any sexual intercourse
regarded as abnormal, as between persons of the same sex, especally between
males, or between a person and an animal.
Strange, Webster doesn't say anything about oral sex. Could it be your are
wrong again?


So is it wrong according to your brand of superstition to engage in oral sex
with one's wife?
If so, and if you stick to this silly creed, I can only wonder to whom your
wife turns for her sexual gratification.

Bill. >>

What does my sex life have to do with the orginal question, should homos
raising little children or what is sodomy? Or do you get your sexual
gratification from watching / reading about other peoples sexual encounters?

Bill H

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Re: [CTRL] Okay to give little kids to big rich lesbians and homosexuals?

2001-04-22 Thread c.

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- Original Message -
From: "Bill Howard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2001 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Okay to give little kids to big rich lesbians and
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> -Caveat Lector-
>
> In a message dated 4/22/01 9:46:38 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> << jesus was a radical god because he was a forgiving god. he showed this
by
>
> associating closely with taxmen and prostitutes and he defended it too. >>
>
> Just because Jesus was a radical God (He was attempting to reform the
Jewish
> regilion) and he associated with Taxman and Prostitutes does not mean that
he
> approved of Homosexually. I see no proof of that.

of course not.
another tack then, were the homosexual/ hetrosexual ratio the same as today?
if it was then jesus musta tolerated one or two of them working very closely
12 apostles. even at the most consevative stretch 1 in 12 then he would have
been tolerating at least one (and don't tell me he wouldn't have known- he
was god remember) in his flock

>
> Sodomy is sodomy, period. The only ones over here who think that sodomy is
OK

and if they are all democrat voters then there are more of them than there
are of you hehe

> are the homosexuals and the liberals. The rest of the population knows
that
> it is wrong. I don't know about the customs regarding sodomy in your
country,

oh, don't, the laws on sodomy in the UK are just so gay, you would not
believe.

> but I have heard stories about what happens to young boys in your public
> schools.

ditto, frat boy ;)

>
> And is a lesbian the same as a sodomite? My limited medical knowledge
tells
> me that a lesbian is incapable of performing sodomy by herself. She needs
an
> artificial device to perform the act.

LOL no way... no way you really believe you just said that!

i hope you are counting fingers and limbs etc, as artifical objects.



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Re: [CTRL] Okay to give little kids to big rich lesbians and homosexuals?

2001-04-22 Thread William Shannon
In a message dated 4/22/01 12:28:35 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:


Sodomy is sodomy, period. The only ones over here who think that sodomy is OK
are the homosexuals and the liberals. The rest of the population knows that
it is wrong. I don't know about the customs regarding sodomy in your
country,
but I have heard stories about what happens to young boys in your public
schools.

And is a lesbian the same as a sodomite? My limited medical knowledge tells
me that a lesbian is incapable of performing sodomy by herself. She needs an
artificial device to perform the act.

"Sodomy" is oral OR anal sex.
So is it wrong according to your brand of superstition to engage in oral sex
with one's wife?
If so, and if you stick to this silly creed, I can only wonder to whom your
wife turns for her sexual gratification.

Bill.



Re: [CTRL] Okay to give little kids to big rich lesbians and homosexuals?

2001-04-22 Thread Bill Howard

-Caveat Lector-

In a message dated 4/22/01 9:46:38 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< jesus was a radical god because he was a forgiving god. he showed this by

associating closely with taxmen and prostitutes and he defended it too. >>

Just because Jesus was a radical God (He was attempting to reform the Jewish
regilion) and he associated with Taxman and Prostitutes does not mean that he
approved of Homosexually. I see no proof of that.

Sodomy is sodomy, period. The only ones over here who think that sodomy is OK
are the homosexuals and the liberals. The rest of the population knows that
it is wrong. I don't know about the customs regarding sodomy in your country,
but I have heard stories about what happens to young boys in your public
schools.

And is a lesbian the same as a sodomite? My limited medical knowledge tells
me that a lesbian is incapable of performing sodomy by herself. She needs an
artificial device to perform the act.

Bill H

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Re: [CTRL] Okay to give little kids to big rich lesbians and homosexuals?

2001-04-22 Thread William Shannon
In a message dated 4/22/01 10:41:38 AM Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


> In a message dated 4/22/01 8:04:48 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> << is it not blasphemous to put words and policies (or anything to hand)
into
>
> jesus's mouth? >>

No more so than speaking for any other mythical character.

Bill.


Re: [CTRL] Okay to give little kids to big rich lesbians and homosexuals?

2001-04-22 Thread c.

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- Original Message -
From: "Bill Howard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2001 5:31 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Okay to give little kids to big rich lesbians and
homosexuals?


> -Caveat Lector-
>
> In a message dated 4/22/01 8:41:38 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> << He would say what was on his mind and mean it. He
>
> > didn't worry about hurting someone's feelings.
>
>
> fine, so tell and be frank already >>
>
> So, we agree on that point anyway.
>
> Jesus being a Jew accepted the Old Testament as containing the truth. In
the
> OT there are more than a few references to Homosexually as being an
> abomination before God. Read the account of what happened to Sodom and
> Gomorra.
> In the New Testament we notice that Jesus likes little children and is
> conserned about their welfare.
>
> So, if God views Homosexually as an abomination (sin for you people with a
> public school education :)) and God as Jesus likes little children, then
why
> would he want those homosexual sinners to have little children?
>

jesus was a radical god because he was a forgiving god. he showed this by
associating closely with taxmen and prostitutes and he defended it too. so
it is not a massive leap to assume in a small way that a prostitute or a
taxman is socially on par with a homosexual? or is sodomy worse? and is
homosexual sodomy worse than hetrosexual in god's eyes? and is a lesbian the
same as a sodomite? why?

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Re: [CTRL] Okay to give little kids to big rich lesbians and homosexuals?

2001-04-22 Thread Bill Howard

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In a message dated 4/22/01 8:41:38 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< He would say what was on his mind and mean it. He

> didn't worry about hurting someone's feelings.


fine, so tell and be frank already >>

So, we agree on that point anyway.

Jesus being a Jew accepted the Old Testament as containing the truth. In the
OT there are more than a few references to Homosexually as being an
abomination before God. Read the account of what happened to Sodom and
Gomorra.
In the New Testament we notice that Jesus likes little children and is
conserned about their welfare.

So, if God views Homosexually as an abomination (sin for you people with a
public school education :)) and God as Jesus likes little children, then why
would he want those homosexual sinners to have little children?

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Re: [CTRL] Okay to give little kids to big rich lesbians and homosexuals?

2001-04-22 Thread c.

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Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2001 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Okay to give little kids to big rich lesbians and
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> -Caveat Lector-
>
> In a message dated 4/22/01 8:04:48 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> << is it not blasphemous to put words and policies (or anything to hand)
into
>
> jesus's mouth? >>
>
> Why would you say this,

because i am certain that it is blasphemous to make up the word of god. so
if he didn't actually say anything about letting homosexuals or lesbians
look after children-  then it would be blasphemous to suggest that he did.

 politicians and religious leaders do it on a daily
> basis.

yes, they do- it does not make it less blasphemous.

 >Besides, this is exactly what he would say on this issue.

ok- i just wanted to know how you came to that decision. like to explain?


>Jesus was
> not politically correct.

that is irrelevent- i am not claiming correctness - i am just curious as to
why you think he would have said that.

He would say what was on his mind and mean it. He
> didn't worry about hurting someone's feelings.

fine, so tell and be frank already

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Re: [CTRL] Okay to give little kids to big rich lesbians and homosexuals?

2001-04-22 Thread Bill Howard

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In a message dated 4/22/01 8:04:48 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< is it not blasphemous to put words and policies (or anything to hand) into

jesus's mouth? >>

Why would you say this, politicians and religious leaders do it on a daily
basis. Besides, this is exactly what he would say on this issue. Jesus was
not politically correct. He would say what was on his mind and mean it. He
didn't worry about hurting someone's feelings.

Bill H

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Re: [CTRL] Okay to give little kids to big rich lesbians and homosexuals?

2001-04-22 Thread c.

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is it not blasphemous to put words and policies (or anything to hand) into
jesus's mouth?

- Original Message -
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> -Caveat Lector-
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> In a message dated 4/21/01 11:53:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
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> << What would Jesus say?
>
> Steve >>
>
> He would say, "Don't give little children to lesbians and homosexuals,"
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Re: [CTRL] Okay to give little kids to big rich lesbians and homosexuals?

2001-04-22 Thread Bill Howard

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In a message dated 4/21/01 11:53:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< What would Jesus say?

Steve >>

He would say, "Don't give little children to lesbians and homosexuals,"

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Re: [CTRL] Okay to give little kids to big rich lesbians and homosexuals?

2001-04-22 Thread YnrChyldzWyld

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On Sun, 22 Apr 2001, Aleisha Saba wrote:
>Better take good look in mirror;  my ancestors walked out of the Garden
>of Eden..so yours slithered out on his belly?

Rats walk on legs.

If it weren't for reptiles, we'd be overrun with rodents like you


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Re: [CTRL] Okay to give little kids to big rich lesbians and homosexuals?

2001-04-22 Thread YnrChyldzWyld

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prejudicial opinion...


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Re: [CTRL] Okay to give little kids to big rich lesbians and homosexuals?

2001-04-22 Thread YnrChyldzWyld

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On Sun, 22 Apr 2001, Aleisha Saba wrote:
>In fact once 60 minutes gave me considerable time re this claim; for as
>a joke I wrote I descended from Jack the RipperMorley Sater or
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>I had told him they would not let me in the Masons because I was a mere
>woman - but asshole - I sent him documentation of my family tree with
>items sealed with royal crown.

When was this, so we can verify the broadcast date?

The Masons have been accepting women in most lodges for some time now...


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Re: [CTRL] Okay to give little kids to big rich lesbians and homosexuals?

2001-04-22 Thread YnrChyldzWyld

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On Sun, 22 Apr 2001, c. wrote:
>you claim ancestory from nearly every flipping family line going aleisha.

Yes, Saba claims to be related to anyone of any import who ever existed
at any time in the world...

I'm sure she'll find some way to claim that it was her ancestors who
were responsible for the great cave art in France, and it must have been
an ancestor of hers who built the Great Pyramid, the Colossus of Rhodes,
the Lighthouse at Alexandria, the Hanging Gardens of Babylon, AND
Stonehenge...


>you may have walked from the garden of eden

Remember, rats and cockroaches have legs and also walk...  ;-)


>but i grew big fuckoff batwings and flew to the red sea to live it up
>with demons. i left you and eve to lie on your backs in line.

And some of us had ancestors who just didn't buy that Garden of Eden crap
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Re: [CTRL] Okay to give little kids to big rich lesbians and homosexuals?

2001-04-22 Thread c.

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> As a result a woman named Eilers was writing a book called of all
> things, The 600 about descendents of Victoria - she wanted to know if I
> was born on wrong side of blanket.
>

wrong side of the trailer more like.

post your tree, 60 minutes never seem to return my call...

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Re: [CTRL] Okay to give little kids to big rich lesbians and homosexuals?

2001-04-22 Thread Aleisha Saba

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Dear c.

Listen asshole - I already put my pedigree on list long ago - and I have
official documents and a family tree that goes back to what I said it
did.

And I do not answer to a limey of questionable extraction.

you are no scotsman.

You know nothing of family trees but in our line here you find the
Warfields, Pierponts. Hammonds, DAVIS, Griffith, Plantagenet,
Fitzgerald, Welsh, Welch, and through the women this line is traced
directly to Queen Victoria on my mothers side.

In fact once 60 minutes gave me considerable time re this claim; for as
a joke I wrote I descended from Jack the RipperMorley Sater or
whatever his name was, his last words were "mere woman Mrs... - for
I had told him they would not let me in the Masons because I was a mere
woman - but asshole - I sent him documentation of my family tree with
items sealed with royal crown.

As a result a woman named Eilers was writing a book called of all
things, The 600 about descendents of Victoria - she wanted to know if I
was born on wrong side of blanket.

No bastards in my line, but she hangs onto Royals like Larry King hangs
onto Presidents - makes them seemimportant.

It was reported in New York newspaper however, that this old bat had to
change the name of her book or chapter to the
601.

So if yout my pedigree call 60 Minutes and pull up in archive, asshole.

Now do not write me anymore, do not use my name anymore, for I think you
are a stupid klutz.

Peasant.

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Re: [CTRL] Okay to give little kids to big rich lesbians and homosexuals?

2001-04-22 Thread c.

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you claim ancestory from nearly every flipping family line going aleisha.
when are you going to post a family tree? and if it is true then i guess
your ancestors must have put it about a bit to have their seed so widely
spread. you may have walked from the garden of eden but i grew big fuckoff
batwings and flew to the red sea to live it up with demons. i left you and
eve to lie on your backs in line.
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> Why do you think JFK was murdered in Texas?
>
> The Queen of England gave him a chunk of Runymead - but then of course
> you would not know that this great Magna Carta was signed by a
> Fitzgerald - one of my ancestors.
>
> You sound like one of these Mormons who put Planagenet on list of
> Descendents of Satan?
>
> What are you an expert on reptiles?
>
> Better take good look in mirror;  my ancestors walked out of the Garden
> of Eden..so yours slithered out on his belly?
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[CTRL] Okay to give little kids to big rich lesbians and homosexuals?

2001-04-22 Thread Aleisha Saba

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This item re California is a wonder; the police are called to Rosie
O'Donnells - a child is screaming, on several occasions.

It seems to be a trend doesn't it for pedophiles like Michael Jackson
who romped and played with the children on the Democrat Platform and in
his bedroom according to several of the children - oh no charges filed,
and the matter dropped and his is making a comback for now is he more
acceptible.

And Rosie O'Donnell - how many children does she have now?   i remember
the day a Court took away three small children from this big rich queer
in our town, the alcoholic father had virtually sold them to him.the
had been molested and this guy went to the slammer, but ended up being
murdered later, by his homosexual lover.

Now Rosie is she mommy as she says or is she daddy figure?   This guy
who was murdered, seemed like the mama figure but the guy that murdered
him alas, just wanted he money with which he was lured into his den of
iniquity.

So tell me all these people who have had their children taken away - bet
they were all poor folk, right?   Will they give them to Rosie to play
mommy?

Or now that the Creep Michael Jackson is making a comeback will they
permit him to sleep with little boys again?

So is is proper to send these oh so emotionally disturbed children to a
lesbian for love and care?   Childen screaming in the night?   Normal
thing to do is to stay with the child and tell them there is nothing to
fear - but Rosie, oh such motherly advise she gives.

Keep thinking about the other kid who had her teeth knocked out and nose
bloodied and Rosie's terribly gashed hand and wrist..must have been
dreadful, now infected?

Looks more like it was cut ramming hand through a window than cut with
what was it she said, a price tag?

Oh these Hollywood people - with all Rosie's money you think she could
have hired someone to watch these children for her rather than complaint
because she could not sleep.

Abused Children sold as Sex Slaves?  Well that will be next as if the
sale of baby body parts for profit was not bad enough.

Rosie just keeps after those little kids?  But somehow all I remember is
her on Saturday night live - a Christmas Nativity Scene, and oh that pig
eyed old bat was so funny - she picked up the baby Jesus in his little
bed and put it over her head to throw it.now this is the Rosie I
remember.

She thought that was funny?   Nice example for the kiddies>

Now I lay me down to sleep;
I pray the lord my soul to keep;

If I should die before I wake;
Please call the cops, for heavens sake?

Suffer little children -
Abused Children sent to Rosie O'Donnell..you got to be kidding.

Saba


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Re: [CTRL] Okay to give little kids to big rich lesbians and homosexuals?

2001-04-22 Thread Steve Wingate

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This certainly is a hate filled post. No facts, just gay-bashing innuendo.
What purpose does it serve?

Sorry if I have offended some here.

What would Jesus say?

Steve

On 22 Apr 01, at 1:45, Aleisha Saba wrote:

> So is is proper to send these oh so emotionally disturbed children to a
> lesbian for love and care?   Childen screaming in the night?   Normal
> thing to do is to stay with the child and tell them there is nothing to
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Re: [CTRL] Okay to give little kids to big rich lesbians and homosexuals?

2001-04-22 Thread Steve Wingate

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On 22 Apr 01, at 2:55, Aleisha Saba wrote:

> Serves the same purpose as that Reptilian shit you hand out.

And what purpose might that be?

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Re: [CTRL] Okay to give little kids to big rich lesbians and homosexuals?

2001-04-22 Thread Aleisha Saba

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So it is okay to insult my ancestors but I know snake in grass when I
see one.

Why do you think JFK was murdered in Texas?

The Queen of England gave him a chunk of Runymead - but then of course
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Fitzgerald - one of my ancestors.

You sound like one of these Mormons who put Planagenet on list of
Descendents of Satan?

What are you an expert on reptiles?

Better take good look in mirror;  my ancestors walked out of the Garden
of Eden..so yours slithered out on his belly?

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Re: [CTRL] Okay to give little kids to big rich lesbians and homosexuals?

2001-04-22 Thread Aleisha Saba

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Serves the same purpose as that Reptilian shit you hand out.

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