Re: [CTRL] Pope to Meet w/Clinton in Hanger to View Alien Craft?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/23/99 11:38:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: i am well aware of dasgoat's position on these matters and for the most part we agree. my position is not to believe everything and to believe everything. sitchin's writings provide a better explanation for what is, than the creationists or the evolutionists. evolution is more likely to have taken certain leaps than not. i believe also that the evidence is out there but is being concealed, along with certain ufo connected stuff. it is almost like this is the ultimate conspiracy because it denies us our celestial roots. maybe it is because this stuff has been with me for so long but i cannot even consider the possibility that it is any other way. in this belief i am connected to my roots. i do not know if you have had any advanced courses in halucinagenics but; in that realm there is no other explanation. that halucinagenics exist at all is a testiment to higher consciousness and higher beings. i could loose all of this belief at the next passing thought, and i allow for that possibility but for now this is what i think. my opinion about reincarnation is pretty much the same as my belief on all of these matters and that is that; i could be inclined to believe it and a lot of people say that they have a good reason to believe it but; until i have a solidly good reason to believe, there will always be the question. edgar cayce makes a very good study but not until i find it for myself. it is a good thing to be skeptical about everything and then only those things that you are not skeptical of, get you. that is relatively true in almost all realms of belief. ramblin' guy chris Well, Ramblin' guy, we do not disagree on some things! Some comments that you make are right up my alley. First as to higher realms, absolutely agree but as to definition thereof that is another question entirely. I only have limited experience into hallucinogenics, but your reasoning is sound based on my knowledge. I would clarify this concept by saying that hallucinogenics merely enable you to cast aside the illusory sheen that overlays "reality" and allows to you to see what is "really" there. This implies a "higher" state of consciousness, but is not necessarily so. The higher nature of it is just illusory. I could not agree with you more about the truth being out there and being hidden. Your speculation as too celestial origin could be true, in many less obvious ways than alien interference even, but for now the jury is out and that is where I stand on the issue. My thoughts are likewise subject to revision at a moments notice (I used to be a fundamentalist Protestant Calvinist after all!!) UFO's and conspiracy go hand in hand as does the science of origins, even in the metaphysical realm, such as postulating a celestial origin in a scenario which features "alien" life forms actively manipulating life on earth. I believe that science in these areas is pretty well compromised. When there is so much dissension even among academics about issues that should be settled matters one has to wonder about more problematical ones, does one not? Knowledge is being kept from us, that is fact. That knowledge would be personally soul shaking and have a global effect if released. I believe that UFO's are real, but they are earthly craft piloted by humans, no ET's needed. That of course is excluding UFO's of natural origin. HOWEVER, as soon as one piece of evidence makes itself known (or is released since in your view such already exists) I would be the first to hail it as a major discovery and change my view as to "aliens". Part of the whole UFO phenomenon is one of societal control, a mechanism, such as that described by Jacque Vallee. It wants to control us and manipulate our mental energies in a certain direction, this is tied in heavily with mind control researches and experimentation. I appreciate your thoughts on the matter as always, feel free to contact me on these matters any time you wish I would always be willing to discuss them with you (or others on list). Thanks Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [CTRL] Pope to Meet w/Clinton in Hanger to View Alien Craft?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/23/99 11:38:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Myself I don't believe in other life elsewhere or that we have been visited by alien intelligences from elsewhere, and that is because of lack of evidence that is convincing or conclusive. HOWEVER, I don not make a dogmatic and blanket denial of the possible reality of such beings, they may, in fact, exist, but I feel more comfortable resting on evidence rather than on speculation. I should, perhaps, clarify my position here. I think there are other "intelligences" that may be involved with us humans, but they are not alien in origin, they may occupy dimensions that are "close" to ours and be seen and experienced at times by us. This could be the origin of folkloric creatures, such as werewolves, vampires, ghosts, and even aliens and UFO's. For these "beings" to be objectively real I think they are the essence of humans who have entered another state of being, OR they are merely illusory themselves, created as a backdrop to reality that is part of the collective view that we must all live within, just like rocks, trees, or gravity, with as much or as little significance as anything else that just "is". I hope I haven't hopelessly muddied my thoughts and the gist of what I intended gets through. :) Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Pope to Meet w/Clinton in Hanger to View Alien Craft?
-Caveat Lector- This is not just a step in the right direction-it is a great leap forward! FWP. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Pope to Meet w/Clinton in Hanger to View Alien Craft?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/22/99 12:26:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm not sure if its a atual story or not, or just a theory, but I once read that Demons and/or Monsters faced by those in the far flung past (read: mythological or historical times) may have in fact been aliens and not Demons or Monsters. If true I don't know. If it is a [printed] story, does anybody know who its by its name?? Sounds like Zecharia Sitchin and others like Van Danniken who believe that aliens visited earth in the past and were mistaken as demons and the like, as well as being the source of ancient technology. A bunch of hooey, IMO. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Pope to Meet w/Clinton in Hanger to View Alien Craft?
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: Sounds like Zecharia Sitchin and others like Van Danniken who believe that aliens visited earth in the past and were mistaken as demons and the like, as well as being the source of ancient technology. A bunch of hooey, IMO. Teo1000 sounds like you need to read the material before you form such an informed opinion. i have read most of his stuff abeit was a number of years ago but it reformed my whole worldview of the ancient world. sitchin's books are simply current translations of hittite clay conuiform (sp) tablets and many others. there are particularly engravings of ancient space capsules. adam was developed by gene-splicing in the womb of astarte for 11 months in attempting to create a semi intelligent work beast, by splicing her genes with those of a chimpanze. eve was made from adams genes. i recall further that outside of athens there is a stone rectangular block taken from hundred of miles away that weighs in the area of either 1,200 or 12,000 (i forget which, but either would be impressive even by today's technology) tons. it is carefully laid at an angle that would allows for particular kinds of take-offs from the planet. it speaks of the gods going hither and thither betwixt the earth and the skies on a regular basis. pair these with all of the relics we have of the ancient world and it is a little more believable than by putting it off to fanciful ancient imaginations. check the material out, you will not be disappointed. chris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Pope to Meet w/Clinton in Hanger to View Alien Craft?
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: I'll admit that I have not read the material thoroughly or completely. But I am familiar with it. At least enough to comment. You, of course would be aware that many academics have called into question whether Sitchin is as good a Sumerian scholar as he leads people to believe. Contact DasGoat on this issue since he has provided me with some interesting information regarding his knowledge of Sumerian. Apart from some questions regarding his level of knowledge I still think the theory, as the one in "The Gods of Eden", and much of what Van Danniken propose is unsupportable. A lot of times these scholars, because of their obvious bias refuse to look at alternative explanations for things that they interpret a special way, which in this case is extraterrestrial in origin, at least according to them. Mind you, it might be true, but there simply is no evidence to support such things. In the absence of evidence it is nothing but interesting speculation (something that I find intriguing too, but cannot embrace as factual, which is my opinion on much of the conspiracy dogma being bandied about, particularly in the conspiracy of history area, especially when such one sided arguments are proposed i.e.; the aliens did it all, aliens fill in the role of the "missing link" these days.) Still thanks for your input, it is always welcome. What is most interesting in this whole scenario to me is the fact that the proponents of an alien interventionist agenda, and a person who supports the ETH of UFO origin, and those who "believe" that alien abduction is really abduction by non-human intelligences from another place, are the MOST dogmatic in support of their pet theory and will usually brook no truck with the opposition (such as perfectly human origin for the phenomena). They are the ones who are completely unreasonable. Mind you I'm NOT saying that your are in this group, just pointing out something for you to consider. Myself I don't believe in other life elsewhere or that we have been visited by alien intelligences from elsewhere, and that is because of lack of evidence that is convincing or conclusive. HOWEVER, I don not make a dogmatic and blanket denial of the possible reality of such beings, they may, in fact, exist, but I feel more comfortable resting on evidence rather than on speculation. At least in this matter!! (Note I reserve the right to ignore this injunction if an off the wall theory really catches my eye! :) ) Teo1000 i am well aware of dasgoat's position on these matters and for the most part we agree. my position is not to believe everything and to believe everything. sitchin's writings provide a better explanation for what is, than the creationists or the evolutionists. evolution is more likely to have taken certain leaps than not. i believe also that the evidence is out there but is being concealed, along with certain ufo connected stuff. it is almost like this is the ultimate conspiracy because it denies us our celestial roots. maybe it is because this stuff has been with me for so long but i cannot even consider the possibility that it is any other way. in this belief i am connected to my roots. i do not know if you have had any advanced courses in halucinagenics but; in that realm there is no other explanation. that halucinagenics exist at all is a testiment to higher consciousness and higher beings. i could loose all of this belief at the next passing thought, and i allow for that possibility but for now this is what i think. my opinion about reincarnation is pretty much the same as my belief on all of these matters and that is that; i could be inclined to believe it and a lot of people say that they have a good reason to believe it but; until i have a solidly good reason to believe, there will always be the question. edgar cayce makes a very good study but not until i find it for myself. it is a good thing to be skeptical about everything and then only those things that you are not skeptical of, get you. that is relatively true in almost all realms of belief. ramblin' guy chris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [CTRL] Pope to Meet w/Clinton in Hanger to View Alien Craft?
-Caveat Lector- But another possibility, which is ever present, as is revealed by current news items is the possible deception of the masses into believing that they are going to do battle with mortal beings from another planet. I'm not sure if its a atual story or not, or just a theory, but I once read that Demons and/or Monsters faced by those in the far flung past (read: mythological or historical times) may have in fact been aliens and not Demons or Monsters. If true I don't know. If it is a [printed] story, does anybody know who its by its name?? P.S. Mr. Miller, do you know if these articles are online? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Pope to Meet w/Clinton in Hanger to View Alien Craft?
-Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: "Rapture Watch" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Rapture Watch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, January 19, 1999 7:00 PM Subject: Alien to the Truth Rapture Watch Alien to the Truth - Update 1999 January 17, 1999 By our recollection, in a book of fact and fiction by Dave Hunt, a scene is presented where men of political and religious authority have a clandestine meeting in a hanger. The meeting is held in a hanger because they are there to view an alien spacecraft and to have an encounter with extraterrestrials who pilot it. An unusual report, from the Nov. 18, 1998 Tampa Bay Online News, that Pope John Paul II is scheduled to have a private meeting with President Clinton on Jan. 26, 1999 at an Air National Guard hanger in St. Louis, Missouri has prompted us to update our message Alien to the Truth. Although this meeting between the pope and the president in a military hanger may entail nothing more than the mundane, due to the lateness of the hour on Gods timeline and the secretive nature of the popes visit, we could not help but ponder the curious possible parallels, which may exist between fiction, speculation, and present day reality. One of the truly intriguing mysteries found in the Bibles prophetic Scriptures is the revelation that when Jesus Christ the King of kings returns to earth the aspiring world dictator known as the Anti-Christ and his armies will actually dare to believe that they can conquer Christ and His host from Heaven. Quoting from the Book of Revelation Chapter 19:11, 14 and 19 we read the following: Then I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war...And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses...And I saw the beast and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army. That mere mortals will believe that they are capable of defeating God Almighty is mind boggling and yet it is possible that this will be the very thinking of a demon possessed world ruled by the powers of Satan at the close of this age. But another possibility, which is ever present, as is revealed by current news items is the possible deception of the masses into believing that they are going to do battle with mortal beings from another planet. In the July 23, 1989 edition of the Gazette Telegraph in an article, which headlined Waging Peace, we have this revealed insight into the thinking of men who have held the highest positions, we quote ...former President Ronald Reagan, who called the Soviet Union the evil empire, came to believe there might be more foreboding enemies. In 1985, when he first met with Gorbachev to think about how easy their two jobs might be if suddenly there was a threat to this world from some other species from another planet outside the universe. Wed forget all the little local differences that we have between our countries, he told Gorbachev, and we would find out once and for all that we really are human beings here on Earth together. Included in the Star Wars Defense Initiative was the plan for orbiting weapons to have the ability to change their positioning to aim outward towards space in order to defend earth from any extraterrestrial threat. Here we can see the motive of uniting a global New World Order invites the ruse of an alien threat. Over the years, there has been a bombardment of material saturating the media concerning extraterrestrials. The blockbuster sci-fi movie Independence Day was the cover story of the July 8, 1996 issue of Time magazine. The movie is about an alien invasion of earth that is thwarted by a united world effort. A perspective given in the article gives food for thought, as to why, this incredulous movie is such a hit. Quoting from Time we read, We are a superstitious species, and we need to look outside ourselves for something larger that will bring either calamity or wisdom or maybe both. This is about belief, not just box office. The preparing of mens minds for belief in extraterrestrials to take root gained great strides on Aug. 7, 1996. This was the day the announcement was broadcast in the worlds media that NASA scientists had found, what they believe was evidence supporting that there had been life on Mars. The USA Today article of Aug. 7, 1996, which headlined Meteorite from Mars hints at life, reported that A meteorite from Mars found in Antarctica shows chemical traces of organic compounds deposited in such a way that they could only have come from biological activity, scientists from NASA said. The conclusion perpetuated by this announcement is that life on other planets is a rather common occurrence. Men will choose to believe this instead of studies, which refute NASAs
Re: [CTRL] Pope to Meet w/Clinton in Hanger to View Alien Craft?
-Caveat Lector- An unusual report, from the Nov. 18, 1998 Tampa Bay Online News, that Pope John Paul II is scheduled to have a private meeting with President Clinton on Jan. 26, 1999 at an Air National Guard hanger in St. Louis, Missouri has prompted us to update our message Alien to the Truth. from: http://archive.tampatrib.com/archive.htm Your search for Pope and John and date(11/18/1998 to 11/18/1998) returned 0 articles out of 0 found. No documents meet your search criteria Maybe someone else will have better luck. -- Smith Wesson - The original point and click interface... DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
