Re: [CTRL] STUDENT FACES EXPULSION FROM COLLEGE FOR WEARING SCOTTISH ATTIRE

2001-07-14 Thread YnrChyldzWyld

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On Fri, 13 Jul 2001, Nessie wrote:
So the fact that someone found out that he had this knife at the school
dance shows that Mr. Hix had to have removed it from his kneesock at
some point during the dance...


The handle of a sgian-dhu sticks out of the top of the

I will repeat this once again:  when this kid was on the CBS morning show
the other day and demonstrating his outfit and this knife, there was
absolutely NOTHING showing above his sock; one could not see that he had
it.  The knife was well down into his sock when he reached down and
pulled it out to demonstrate it to the camera...

Perhaps the traditional way IS to wear it with the hilt showing, but that
is NOT the way Hix was wearing it the other morning when he demonstrated
how he claims he was dressed at the dance...

The reports of the incident all say that Hix was at the dance for SEVERAL
HOURS before the chaperone noticed the knife, which implies that Hix did
indeed have it hidden.



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Re: [CTRL] STUDENT FACES EXPULSION FROM COLLEGE FOR WEARING SCOTTISH ATTIRE

2001-07-14 Thread thew

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most sikhs carry a tiny silver daggger, completely useless as a weapon, as a
symbol
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 What about Sikhs? Their religion requires they have a ritual dagger on
 their person at all times.

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Re: [CTRL] STUDENT FACES EXPULSION FROM COLLEGE FOR WEARING SCOTTISH ATTIRE

2001-07-14 Thread Nessie

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 most sikhs carry a tiny silver daggger, completely useless as a
weapon, 


So is a nail clipper.

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Re: [CTRL] STUDENT FACES EXPULSION FROM COLLEGE FOR WEARING SCOTTISH ATTIRE

2001-07-13 Thread Andrew Hennessey

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 Which brings up the 2nd point...choosing to deliberately flaunt the
 zero-tolerance policy, Mr. Hix then did not leave well enough alone, and
 must have taken the knife out for some reason at the dance, because it
could
 not otherwise be seen.

not true - the hilt and gemstone pommel are always clearly visible
protruding from the sock.
someone therefore saw the hilt and deduced knife - not 'the guy brandished
it'

he was stupid but not intimidating as you are attempting to lead us to
beleive

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Re: [CTRL] STUDENT FACES EXPULSION FROM COLLEGE FOR WEARING SCOTTISH ATTIRE

2001-07-13 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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In a message dated 07/12/2001 11:39:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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 Either this kid was unbelievable stupid, or he deliberately wanted to
 provoke something...he knew about the zero-tolerance policy and deliberately
 chose to break it, when complying would not have adversely affected his
 costume in the least, since the knife could not normally be seen.

 Which brings up the 2nd point...choosing to deliberately flaunt the
 zero-tolerance policy, Mr. Hix then did not leave well enough alone, and
 must have taken the knife out for some reason at the dance, because it could
 not otherwise be seen. 

Yeah, but it still boggles my mind.  I can remember when every fourth and
fifth grader's dream was to own hightops.  These were a heavy leather boot
that reached almost to the knee.  A factor of each pair was a large jackknife
that had its own leather pouch sewn right into the boot.  Our boy scouts
(those who came in uniform due to some special occasion always had their boy
scout knife on them.  Boys did occasionally play a game called mumbly peg on
the school grounds before school started.  Otherwise the knives were much
admired, and almost never seen open, because no one wanted anyone else's
dirty fingers on his precious knife.  To my knowledge no child in this area
was ever injured by one of these knives in all the years I attended school.
Apparently we have become a nation of idiots who cannot carry any weapons
anywhere for fear of sudden transmutation into mass killers.  Even our french
fries have become lethal.  No one has mentioned it yet, but our restaurants
should start serving meat cut into bite sized pieces so customers to not have
to handle knives, and the chef who cuts the meat for them should be under
armed guard at all times.  One never knows when one of these guys will pop.
Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] STUDENT FACES EXPULSION FROM COLLEGE FOR WEARING SCOTTISH ATTIRE

2001-07-13 Thread kl

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On 12 Jul 2001, at 23:38, YnrChyldzWyld wrote:


 Either this kid was unbelievable stupid, or he deliberately wanted to
 provoke something...he knew about the zero-tolerance policy and
 deliberately chose to break it,

It's good to see that a few students haven't been fully brainwashed by
the PC teachers and administrators.  Zero tolerance policies are made
by people with zero intelligence or maybe even IQ's in negative
numbers.  They should be opposed by every thinking person.  He
deserves approval and support.
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Re: [CTRL] STUDENT FACES EXPULSION FROM COLLEGE FOR WEARING SCOTTISH ATTIRE

2001-07-13 Thread YnrChyldzWyld

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On Fri, 13 Jul 2001, Andrew Hennessey wrote:
 Mr. Hix then did not leave well enough alone, and must have
 taken the knife out for some reason at the dance, because it could
 not otherwise be seen.

not true - the hilt and gemstone pommel are always clearly visible
protruding from the sock.

It was not visible when Mr. Hix appeared on an American morning news show
in full regalia.  Neither hilt nor pommel were visible before he pulled
it out of his sock (and the item did not have any gemstone, unless it was
too tiny to be made out on camera)...

If the getup Mr. Hix was wearing on the television show was the EXACT
getup he wore to the school dance, then the knife was definitely NOT
visible to the casual observer...


someone therefore saw the hilt and deduced knife - not 'the guy brandished
it'

The zero-tolerance policy doesn't care if someone brandishes a
weapon...just bringing it onto school property is an infraction.


he was stupid but not intimidating as you are attempting to lead us to
beleive

I never claimed he was intimidating.  I AM saying he was either very
stupid for including an item he knew very clearly violated a well-known
school policy, or he deliberately flaunted violating that policy.  Either
way, he knew what the consequences would be...


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Re: [CTRL] STUDENT FACES EXPULSION FROM COLLEGE FOR WEARING SCOTTISH ATTIRE

2001-07-13 Thread YnrChyldzWyld

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On Fri, 13 Jul 2001, Prudence L. Kuhn wrote:
dirty fingers on his precious knife.  To my knowledge no child in this area
was ever injured by one of these knives in all the years I attended school.
Apparently we have become a nation of idiots who cannot carry any weapons
anywhere for fear of sudden transmutation into mass killers.

Perhaps, but more to the point we have become a nation where children
have not been taught ethics and morals, and who believe that their
personal desires are the only thing of importance.  They have not been
told 'no' when they demanded something, and so have not learned to
tolerate even the slightest amount of frustration.  These children do not
hesitate to hurt anyone who causes them discomfort.

I can understand having a zero-tolerance policy in schools for carrying
weapons, as long as it applies to REAL weapons and not something like a
nail clipper.

This boy KNEW that what he was bringing to the school dance was clearly a
weapon -- the item is designed for no other use but as a weapon -- and
chose to ignore or flaunt the policy.  He should not be surprised at the
consequences.



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Re: [CTRL] STUDENT FACES EXPULSION FROM COLLEGE FOR WEARING SCOTTISH ATTIRE

2001-07-13 Thread YnrChyldzWyld

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On Fri, 13 Jul 2001, kl wrote:
 Either this kid was unbelievable stupid, or he deliberately wanted to
 provoke something...he knew about the zero-tolerance policy and
 deliberately chose to break it,

It's good to see that a few students haven't been fully brainwashed by
the PC teachers and administrators.  Zero tolerance policies are made
by people with zero intelligence or maybe even IQ's in negative
numbers.  They should be opposed by every thinking person.  He
deserves approval and support.

So you are saying that students should be allowed to bring any manner of
weapon onto school property?

Or are you suggesting that just Caucasians be allowed this priviledge?

This is not a new policy...back when I was in school in the 60s, any
student would have been busted for bringing a knife to school or into a
school dance...there were gangs even back then, and carrying a knife was
a siren call to have a 'rumble'...

I really would like to see your justification for allowing students to
carry knives on themselves to school and to school dances...


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Re: [CTRL] STUDENT FACES EXPULSION FROM COLLEGE FOR WEARING SCOTTISH ATTIRE

2001-07-13 Thread kl

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On 13 Jul 2001, at 9:29, YnrChyldzWyld wrote:


 I really would like to see your justification for allowing students to
 carry knives on themselves

I will refer you back to Prudy's excellent post on the topic.
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Re: [CTRL] STUDENT FACES EXPULSION FROM COLLEGE FOR WEARING SCOTTISH ATTIRE

2001-07-13 Thread Nessie

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So the fact that someone found out that he had this knife at the school
dance shows that Mr. Hix had to have removed it from his kneesock at
some point during the dance...


The handle of a sgian-dhu sticks out of the top of the sock.




You couldn't see it yesterday when Mr. Hix was sitting facing the
camera, with his leg crossed over the leg with the knife tucked in the
sock...not even a bulge in the sock.  

Camera angle.



Not when the 'national regalia' includes a dangerous weapon.

What about Sikhs? Their religion requires they have a ritual dagger on
their person at all times.

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[CTRL] STUDENT FACES EXPULSION FROM COLLEGE FOR WEARING SCOTTISH ATTIRE

2001-07-12 Thread c.

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THE PROBLEM OF NATIONALITIES IN USA: STUDENT FACES EXPULSION FROM COLLEGE
FOR WEARING SCOTTISH ATTIRE

American student Jeremy His is facing expulsion from college. His guilt is
that one day he turned up in a school discotheque wearing wearing a
traditional Scottish attire, indispensable detail of which was a knife, or
sgian-dhu. The school board in Holt, in Michigan is now due to decide if
Mr. Hix will be expelled for violating the state's zero tolerance law
against bringing weapons to school. Mr. Hix (who also plays the bagpipes)
said he did not think about the knife as a weapon when he attended the
school dance in May. The knife was more than 3in long, according to BBC.
Mr. Hix said: It's part of the formal wear for a Scottish man.
It's literally an item, like a piece of clothing. It doesn't stand out when
you look at it. It's sort of natural. He said he had the sgian-dhu tucked
into his sock for nearly two hours before a chaperone at the prom noticed
it. Mr. Hix was forced to leave the prom and could not attend classes for
the rest of the school year. Under Michigan's law, which went into effect
six years ago, students must be expelled for 180 days if they bring a weapon
to school. Weapons include knives with a blade of 3in or more.
It is strange that such a multinational and tolerant, as it seems, country
as the USA does not permit its citizens to wear their national regalia. Even
in the Soviet Union (dubbed by someone evil empire), various ethnic groups
had the right to turn up on the streets or other public places wearing their
national costumes, including daggers, as was the case with, for example,
Caucasians (Georgians, Armenians, Azerbaidjanians, etc.) or Central Asians
(Uzbeks, Tajiks, Kazakhs, etc.).
http://english.pravda.ru/main/2001/07/12/9894.html

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Re: [CTRL] STUDENT FACES EXPULSION FROM COLLEGE FOR WEARING SCOTTISH ATTIRE

2001-07-12 Thread YnrChyldzWyld

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THE PROBLEM OF NATIONALITIES IN USA: STUDENT FACES EXPULSION FROM COLLEGE
FOR WEARING SCOTTISH ATTIRE

American student Jeremy His is facing expulsion from college.

This kid was on the CBS morning show yesterday (along with his attorney); he
is not in college, he's a junior in highschool, and he wore the outfit to a
school dance.  He has a 3.75 average and was planning on attending Harvard
when he graduated .  If he is expelled from school, he'll attend a private
school (according to what he said on this show), but the expulsion will
probably adversely affect his chances of getting into Harvard.


His guilt is
that one day he turned up in a school discotheque wearing wearing a
traditional Scottish attire, indispensable detail of which was a knife, or
sgian-dhu.

They showed this item on the show, and 'traditional' or not, it looks like
it can do quite a bit of damage if used as a weapon.

Mr. Hix knew the rules -- he admitted to it on the show.  There was no
reason to wear this knife, which he showed was worn in a sheath inside his
sock, in other words it was a concealed weapon.  He could have foregone
wearing this item and no one would have known, since it was worn CONCEALED.


Either this kid was unbelievable stupid, or he deliberately wanted to
provoke something...he knew about the zero-tolerance policy and deliberately
chose to break it, when complying would not have adversely affected his
costume in the least, since the knife could not normally be seen.

Which brings up the 2nd point...choosing to deliberately flaunt the
zero-tolerance policy, Mr. Hix then did not leave well enough alone, and
must have taken the knife out for some reason at the dance, because it could
not otherwise be seen.

This kid was wearing his full regalia on this show, and was sitting facing
the camera, full body in view, with his legs crossedand until he pulled
the knife out from his kneesock, you couldn't see it there.  So the fact
that someone found out that he had this knife at the school dance shows that
Mr. Hix had to have removed it from his kneesock at some point during the
dance...


He said he had the sgian-dhu tucked
into his sock for nearly two hours before a chaperone at the prom noticed
it.

You couldn't see it yesterday when Mr. Hix was sitting facing the camera,
with his leg crossed over the leg with the knife tucked in the sock...not
even a bulge in the sock.  So one has to wonder just what Mr. Hix did to
garner attention from the chaperone...


It is strange that such a multinational and tolerant, as it seems, country
as the USA does not permit its citizens to wear their national regalia.

Not when the 'national regalia' includes a dangerous weapon.

I'm far from being a liberal, but I think weapons that are clearly weapons
have no place at a school function...



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