Re: [CTRL] SnoOwl: DRUDGE-REPORT-URGENT 02/19/99

1999-02-23 Thread Jim Condit Jr.

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Dear SnoOwl and nurev: You're both right. Jim Condit Jr.

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 On 21 Feb 99, , nurev wrote:

   can't believe what you are pulling here. I am really saddened by
  your
  response. What happened to you that you are trying to defend a rapist by
  defaming the victim? Even if she were a working prostitute, that changes
  nothing. What happened to you?

 I also believe that people are innocent until proven guilty. And
 wonder what kind of
 "evidence" someone might have kept preserved for two decades.
 Another blue dress?

 I happen to know several women who were once married to men, had
 their children,
 and were then abandoned after the divorce. These men never paid
 child-support, even
 claiming they had no assets. Some of these men, twenty or thirty
 years later, are now
 rolling clover, married to very wealthy women. Wouldn't it be
 wonderful if these women,
 who had been forced into years of great hardship,  could go after
 these guys and get
 the alimony and child support that was owed them? Ask any lawyer.
 They will tell you
 it's way too late. That's a kind of "rape" too. And unbelievably
 common in our society.

 What happened to you?

 sno0wl

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Re: [CTRL] SnoOwl: DRUDGE-REPORT-URGENT 02/19/99

1999-02-23 Thread nurev

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Sno0wl wrote:

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 On 21 Feb 99, , nurev wrote:

   can't believe what you are pulling here. I am really saddened by
  your
  response. What happened to you that you are trying to defend a rapist by
  defaming the victim? Even if she were a working prostitute, that changes
  nothing. What happened to you?

 I also believe that people are innocent until proven guilty. And wonder what kind of
 "evidence" someone might have kept preserved for two decades. Another blue dress?

Inocent until proven guilty only applies in a court of law. Not real
life.

 I happen to know several women who were once married to men, had their children,
 and were then abandoned after the divorce. These men never paid child-support, even
 claiming they had no assets. Some of these men, twenty or thirty years later, are now
 rolling clover, married to very wealthy women. Wouldn't it be wonderful if these 
women,
 who had been forced into years of great hardship,  could go after these guys and get
 the alimony and child support that was owed them? Ask any lawyer. They will tell you
 it's way too late. That's a kind of "rape" too. And unbelievably common in our 
society.

Oh please! That's not the " kind of rape " that happened to Juanita
Broadrick.
Clutching at straws to defend a rapist. What happened to you?

 What happened to you?

 sno0wl

Nothing happened to me. I don't find myself defending rapists and
political
criminals.

J2

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Re: [CTRL] SnoOwl: DRUDGE-REPORT-URGENT 02/19/99

1999-02-22 Thread nurev

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"Prudence L. Kuhn" wrote:

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 In a message dated 2/20/99 11:18:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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  Certainly rape is not OK. It is deplorable and indefensible. But then
 again,
  it probably doesn't rise to the level of impeachment and removal
 After
  all, the economy is..  And the vast majority of the American people
  don't. 

 Now let's see, this woman was married to one man, having an affair with
 another man, and invites a guy into her hotel room.  Obviously she is just
 another virginal victim.  What can I say.  I'll bet she sits on her 40-acre
 estate and cries every day.  Prudy

I can't believe what you are pulling here. I am really saddened by
your
response. What happened to you that you are trying to defend a rapist
by defaming the victim? Even if she were a working prostitute, that
changes
nothing. What happened to you?

J2

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Re: [CTRL] SnoOwl: DRUDGE-REPORT-URGENT 02/19/99

1999-02-22 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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In a message dated 2/22/99 7:42:01 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I can't believe what you are pulling here. I am really saddened by
 your
 response. What happened to you that you are trying to defend a rapist
 by defaming the victim? Even if she were a working prostitute, that
 changes
 nothing. What happened to you? 

Read my response to others on the same question.  By the way, has that rapist
been convicted, or are you believing every word of this lady who was perfectly
willing to cheat on her husband.  What happened to you?  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] SnoOwl: DRUDGE-REPORT-URGENT 02/19/99

1999-02-22 Thread Teo One Thousand

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In a message dated 2/22/99 7:42:01 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I can't believe what you are pulling here. I am really saddened by
 your
 response. What happened to you that you are trying to defend a rapist
 by defaming the victim? Even if she were a working prostitute, that
 changes
 nothing. What happened to you?

 J2 

Joshua let me urge you to drop the discussion with Prudy here.  First because
I'm sick of the whole issue, but secondly and most importantly she will not
budge from her position.  No matter what he is charged with it is a plot, a
right wing agenda to get him, it is the victim's fault, it is the fault of his
advisors.  If we had him on film killing 50 nuns, and 50 babies they were
holding and then burning down the African American church they had gathered in
it would somehow be the fault of evil republicans, and not his fault at all.
It sounds just like the support the Czar of Russia had even though he was
inept and a bungler the people refused to believe it and thought it was all
the fault of the evil Boyars and his advisors.  Sometimes it is the man
himself and in this case there has been enough testimony from enough people to
establish a sadistic woman using mentality.  Speaking of "he's not been
convicted" neither has Bush either, but Prudy and others (myself included)
would say he is evil incarnate BASED UPON NOTHING MORE THAN SIMILAR (and I
might add less substantiated, unfortunately) ACCUSATIONS.  At least I
recognize the hypocrisy of the position, others would not.  Prudy will
continue to believe no matter what you do.
Teo1000

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Re: [CTRL] SnoOwl: DRUDGE-REPORT-URGENT 02/19/99

1999-02-22 Thread Sno0wl

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On 21 Feb 99, , nurev wrote:

  can't believe what you are pulling here. I am really saddened by
 your
 response. What happened to you that you are trying to defend a rapist by
 defaming the victim? Even if she were a working prostitute, that changes
 nothing. What happened to you?

I also believe that people are innocent until proven guilty. And wonder what kind of
"evidence" someone might have kept preserved for two decades. Another blue dress?

I happen to know several women who were once married to men, had their children,
and were then abandoned after the divorce. These men never paid child-support, even
claiming they had no assets. Some of these men, twenty or thirty years later, are now
rolling clover, married to very wealthy women. Wouldn't it be wonderful if these women,
who had been forced into years of great hardship,  could go after these guys and get
the alimony and child support that was owed them? Ask any lawyer. They will tell you
it's way too late. That's a kind of "rape" too. And unbelievably common in our society.

What happened to you?

sno0wl

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Re: [CTRL] SnoOwl: DRUDGE-REPORT-URGENT 02/19/99

1999-02-21 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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In a message dated 2/20/99 11:18:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

 Certainly rape is not OK. It is deplorable and indefensible. But then
again,
 it probably doesn't rise to the level of impeachment and removal
After
 all, the economy is..  And the vast majority of the American people
 don't. 

Now let's see, this woman was married to one man, having an affair with
another man, and invites a guy into her hotel room.  Obviously she is just
another virginal victim.  What can I say.  I'll bet she sits on her 40-acre
estate and cries every day.  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] SnoOwl: DRUDGE-REPORT-URGENT 02/19/99

1999-02-21 Thread William Shannon

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In a message dated 2/21/99 12:34:13 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Now let's see, this woman was married to one man, having an affair with
 another man, and invites a guy into her hotel room.  Obviously she is just
 another virginal victim.  What can I say.  I'll bet she sits on her 40-acre
 estate and cries every day.  Prudy 

Amen!! Drudge ought to be called SLUDGE- That's all he brings up! Gimme a good
"muckraker". like
Stone or Cockburn or the good folks at FAIR anyday!

Bill

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Re: [CTRL] SnoOwl: DRUDGE-REPORT-URGENT 02/19/99

1999-02-21 Thread Samatha 'Smith'

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In a message dated 99-02-20 23:18:47 EST, you write:

   Those who would defend Clinton will soon find themselves very
embarrassed
   for having defended a rapist, REGARDLESS of vast right wing conspiracies
   and the now tired excuses of when said crimes were committed.
 
   The man is SCUM and should NEVER have been in ANY type of office except,
   possibly, a warden's.
 
   Or, is rape OK as long as it is committed by a popular person?
 
 Certainly rape is not OK. It is deplorable and indefensible. But then again,
 it probably doesn't rise to the level of impeachment and removal
After
 all, the economy is..  And the vast majority of the American people
 don't.
  

Now, wait a minute, please.rape is evidence of deep and abiding
psychological problemsand I've wondered.how would I have felt if Bush
or Reagan or even Ike had been accused of rape?  I would have to say that if
any President were found guilty of rape, it would be serious enough to remove
him from office based on psycholigical grounds of instability and
sociopathology.
But, pleaseremember that Clinton has enemies who are vested in his
defamation and removal.  These are serious allegations and must be proven
beyond a reasonable doubt for him as for any other accused person.
Kathy O'Brien, in her book, "Trance-formation of America" has accused Bush
of violently and repeatedly raping her (then) 3 year old daughter.  We cannot
judge anyone based on an accusation.
Please don't make light of this.  There is nothing flip at all about an
accusation of rape.
Samantha

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Re: [CTRL] SnoOwl: DRUDGE-REPORT-URGENT 02/19/99

1999-02-21 Thread revcoal

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On Sun, 21 Feb 1999, "Prudence L. Kuhn" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Now let's see, this woman was married to one man, having an affair with
another man, and invites a guy into her hotel room.  Obviously she is
just another virginal victim.

And you would probably argue that a prostitute can never be a victim of
rape, either

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Re: [CTRL] SnoOwl: DRUDGE-REPORT-URGENT 02/19/99

1999-02-21 Thread Sno0wl

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On 21 Feb 99, , [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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 On Sun, 21 Feb 1999, "Prudence L. Kuhn" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Now let's see, this woman was married to one man, having an affair with
 another man, and invites a guy into her hotel room.  Obviously she is
 just another virginal victim.

 And you would probably argue that a prostitute can never be a victim of
 rape, either

No, June. In fact, I would not. Please do not put words in my mouth. It is exceedinly
rude to make such assumptions.

In fact, to take it a step farther, I think that nothing Clinton and Lewinsky did 
together
was, in itself, as degrading and damaging as what Ken Starr put Lewinsky through
before the American public and the world. Clinton himself has never said one bad word
about her and, IMO, in refusing to answer explicit sexual questions, was gentlemanly.
Jay Leno has been far more damaging to Monica than Clinton has.

Almost all these Washington types have played around with party girls, secretaries,
colleagues, and who-knows who or what else--in spite of being self-righteously and
correctly married. Most of these women really ARE "asking for it," since they get who-
knows-what social and financial perks and prestige out of mingling intimately with
power.  It is all well and good to characterize Clinton as a predatory satyr sine qua 
non-
-but then you would have to characterize 90% of the folks in Washington--and in
politics--in much the same way. There really are women who are turned on by men
with power--no matter what they look like, how old they are,  or who they're married 
to.

Personally, it looks to me like being President is a pretty demanding job. And I would
think the person doing it wouldn't have much time to pursue personal relationships.



sno0wl

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Re: [CTRL] SnoOwl: DRUDGE-REPORT-URGENT 02/19/99

1999-02-21 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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In a message dated 2/21/99 9:34:21 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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 On Sun, 21 Feb 1999, "Prudence L. Kuhn" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Now let's see, this woman was married to one man, having an affair with
 another man, and invites a guy into her hotel room.  Obviously she is
 just another virginal victim.

 And you would probably argue that a prostitute can never be a victim of
 rape, either

 June 

Sure she could.  But if she was in a hotel room with a guy, you can be sure
she was there to do business.  It wouldn't be her fault if he turned out to be
some kind of kook.  And I would hope she wouldn't wait twenty years before she
decided to report the crime.  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] SnoOwl: DRUDGE-REPORT-URGENT 02/19/99

1999-02-21 Thread revcoal

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On Sun, 21 Feb 1999, Sno0wl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 21 Feb 99, , [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Sun, 21 Feb 1999, "Prudence L. Kuhn" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Now let's see, this woman was married to one man, having an affair with
another man, and invites a guy into her hotel room.  Obviously she is
just another virginal victim.

 And you would probably argue that a prostitute can never be a victim of
 rape, either

No, June. In fact, I would not. Please do not put words in my mouth. It
is exceedinly rude to make such assumptions.

As you can see from the above, my comment was directed to Prudy and not to
you, Marilyn.

Unless you've assumed her identity...  ;-)


Clinton himself has never said one bad word about her

Bull.  He called her a stalker, before it became obvious that Lewinsky was
going to be 'a good girl' and not go running to the tabloids or slap him
with yet another lawsuit...


Almost all these Washington types have played around with party girls,
secretaries, colleagues, and who-knows who or what else--

And this makes it all okay?


June

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Re: [CTRL] SnoOwl: DRUDGE-REPORT-URGENT 02/19/99

1999-02-21 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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In a message dated 2/21/99 6:35:38 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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 from snoOwl
 Almost all these Washington types have played around with party girls,
 secretaries, colleagues, and who-knows who or what else--

 And this makes it all okay? 

No, June, it does not, but it's hardly shocking to those of us who have lived
and worked in the area.  It's really a hoot to watch Sam Donaldson (whose
behavior is interesting to say the least) and the other media types go into
the "next week, East Lynne" routines.  Prudy

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[CTRL] SnoOwl: DRUDGE-REPORT-URGENT 02/19/99

1999-02-20 Thread Edward Britton

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SnoOwl:

Those who would defend Clinton will soon find themselves very embarrassed
for having defended a rapist, REGARDLESS of vast right wing conspiracies
and the now tired excuses of when said crimes were committed.

The man is SCUM and should NEVER have been in ANY type of office except,
possibly, a warden's.

Or, is rape OK as long as it is committed by a popular person?

Edward   
Politics should get really interesting in the next century when every
president's
highschool and college girlfriends can come forward, funded by the
opposing party,
and threaten to unseat him for sexual abuses and peccadillos committed
decades
before said candidate was elected.

Promises tittilation and ammunition for decades to come.





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Re: [CTRL] SnoOwl: DRUDGE-REPORT-URGENT 02/19/99

1999-02-20 Thread Jim Yester

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  Those who would defend Clinton will soon find themselves very embarrassed
  for having defended a rapist, REGARDLESS of vast right wing conspiracies
  and the now tired excuses of when said crimes were committed.

  The man is SCUM and should NEVER have been in ANY type of office except,
  possibly, a warden's.

  Or, is rape OK as long as it is committed by a popular person?

Certainly rape is not OK. It is deplorable and indefensible. But then again,
it probably doesn't rise to the level of impeachment and removal After
all, the economy is..  And the vast majority of the American people
don't.

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