Re: [CTRL] UFO should not necessarily imply ET ?
Why take anyone's word for what someone else believes when you can read their works for yourself. In my reading of Vallee he has stated that informants in the French military admit to engineering at least one abduction for the purposes of studying psychological phenomena and religious manifestation in light of it (certainly implying that a religious connection was seen by them as well), and in that case someone peripheral to the case DID start a religion based on the "teachings" of the "aliens", who were French military men all along. I believe he has also stated that the Rendlesham Forest encounter was staged to determine military personnel's reaction to a supposed alien encounter. At least TWO totally fake and bogus encounters. I also believe that his take on the UFO phenomenon itself is that it is a control program, something like a cybernetic psychological enhancer, in order to mold or shape cultural thought, or social behavior. I have not heard him speculate further as to it's extraterrestrial nature, but could be in error there. Needless to say, don't take my word for it read his works for yourself and come to your own conclusions. Since no one has any real evidence, at least any they are bringing forward for consideration, then his word is as good as anyone elses. Food for thought, the idea of a "Cosmic Top Secret" clearance in respect to people having some connection to UFO phenomenon in the US Military was always treated as ludicrous by many, including me. I have recently met a man who was in the military and who claims to have had that clearance level when working as a security guard at Wright Patterson AFB. I believe that this person is telling the truth, and he has stated that there were "UFO'S" at the base. I believe him when he says it. There was another man who worked for NATO in Europe who said he had the clearance as well, and he claimed to have seen documents about UFO retrievals and such. Don't know him so can't speak for his reliability or not. BUT, here is my point. I have talked to military people who say there is no such classification and to people who worked at Wright Pat. and who say there were no aliens or UFO's there, and I am inclined to believe them TOO. Now, this lends itself to one possible conclusion in my mind and that is that the security clearance was given to some people for the purpose of later denying it in order to discredit anything they had to say about what they saw or worked on. I believe these people possibly saw advanced terrestrial craft, or captured enemy aircraft and they were told it was alien so that if they talked the Air Force could then say they were cuckoo, in order to keep it all secret. These people were used, just like the person abducted by the French military and the people at Rendlesham Forest. BUT, that is just my interpretation and you can take it or leave it. On Sat, 03 June 2000, Ynr Chyldz Wyld wrote: > > From: "Samantha L." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > It is perfectly appropriate for someone to bring their qualifications and > > experience to the table during a discussion. June and Mr. Webre interpret > > Vallee differently. That Mr. Webre knew him and worked with him adds weight > > to his interpretation. > > Mr. Webre CLAIMS to have known and 'worked' with Jacques Vallee. > > I don't hear Monsieur Vallee weighing in here with his agreement. > > I'd like Mr. Webre to tell us which of Monsieur Vallee' books we should look > in to find Monsieur Vallee acknowledging Mr. Webre's vast contributions. > > I suggest everyone read Jaques Vallee's books for themselves, especially > "Messengers of Deception", and come to their OWN conclusions as to what > Monsieur Vallee's conclusions are... > > > June > > http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org > DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER > == > CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic > screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are > sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, > misdirections > and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and > minor > effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, > CTRL > gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; > be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and > nazi's need not apply. > > Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. > > Archives Available at: > http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html > http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl > > To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To UNsubscribe to Co
Re: [CTRL] UFO should not necessarily imply ET ?
Most definitely Samantha, the rules apply to me as well. Since interpretation is the factor, my interpretation of Alfred's remarks was such that he implied that I did not know all the stuff he knew and thus my arguments carried no weight. His implication, in my interpretation of them, was that I was stupid, and that the fact that he knew Vallee made his arguments better than mine (when Vallee is just another person trying to grasp a multilayered phenomenon, as such even his opinion is just OPINION). My interpretation was that Alfred was trying to show his innate superiority of position in order to undermine opposing views, and as such felt justified in my satirical comments about his post. On Sat, 03 June 2000, "Samantha L." wrote: > > It is perfectly appropriate for someone to bring their qualifications and > experience to the table during a discussion. June and Mr. Webre interpret > Vallee differently. That Mr. Webre knew him and worked with him adds weight > to his interpretation. > > "Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector" does not apply to you? > > Samantha > > In a message dated 6/3/00 12:19:08 PM Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > Well, it certainly is good to have Alfred here. Since he has read and > knows > > about every aspect of UFOlogy, I strongly encourage all people who doubt > the > > ET hypothesis of UFO origins to just hang up your hats and drop it in the > > face of his insurmountable knowledge on the matter. I know that I am > > intimidated by his "I know more than you, so you should just shut up" > > attitude. If we were smart maybe we should just declare him the winner. > > ETH. . .ETH. . . ETH (reciting mantra) > > http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org > DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER > == > CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic > screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are > sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, > misdirections > and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and > minor > effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, > CTRL > gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; > be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and > nazi's need not apply. > > Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. > > Archives Available at: > http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html > http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl > > To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Om "Welcome to the desert of the real." Morpheus, in The Matrix "My God it's full of stars!" Dave Bowman, in 2001: A Space Odyssey ___ Why pay when you don't have to? Get AltaVista Free Internet Access now! http://jump.altavista.com/freeaccess4.go ___ http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] UFO should not necessarily imply ET ?
In a message dated 00-06-03 22:13:57 EDT, you write: << Mr. Webre CLAIMS to have known and 'worked' with Jacques Vallee. I don't hear Monsieur Vallee weighing in here with his agreement. I'd like Mr. Webre to tell us which of Monsieur Vallee' books we should look in to find Monsieur Vallee acknowledging Mr. Webre's vast contributions. I suggest everyone read Jaques Vallee's books for themselves, especially "Messengers of Deception", and come to their OWN conclusions as to what Monsieur Vallee's conclusions are... June >> June - Contrary to your assertions as to Jacques' unspotted integrity, he has been publicly accused of a major research fraud in UFOlogy, a charge he has never refuted in the two years since he was publicly challenged. You can read the entire record at: http://www.sightings.com/ufo/philahoax.htm Excerpts: "You can find it at http://www.sightings.com/ufo/philahoax.htm but the problem is that the article that it refers to, written by Jacques Vallee, has now been conclusively proven to be a fraud and is under investigation. Dr. Jacques F. Vallee, scientist and world reknown UFO researcher, who was the model for the French scientist in the movie "Close Encounters of the Third Kind" has been the target of an ongoing private investigation which is now accusing him, and Editor-in-Chief of the Journal of Scientific Exploration, Bernhard Haisch, of promoting research fraud." There are numerous live witnesses, senior analysts at SRI who can testify to J VAllee and I collaborating on a UFO research project in May-Septemner, 1977. A number of them are household names. I had been reluctant to post the history of J Vallee's questionable integrity, but you seem to want to force things. Relevance: Spiritual integrity is demanded of those in the field of higher intellegence, whether in its spiritual or physical manifestations. In a way I am doing this for the record, not for your enlightenment, June. I think you are probably doing the best you can. Jacques has knowingly, deceptively hurt many people in his life. Alfred Webre JV-This is for those misrepresentations in Messengers of Deception. http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] UFO should not necessarily imply ET ?
From: "Samantha L." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > It is perfectly appropriate for someone to bring their qualifications and > experience to the table during a discussion. June and Mr. Webre interpret > Vallee differently. That Mr. Webre knew him and worked with him adds weight > to his interpretation. Mr. Webre CLAIMS to have known and 'worked' with Jacques Vallee. I don't hear Monsieur Vallee weighing in here with his agreement. I'd like Mr. Webre to tell us which of Monsieur Vallee' books we should look in to find Monsieur Vallee acknowledging Mr. Webre's vast contributions. I suggest everyone read Jaques Vallee's books for themselves, especially "Messengers of Deception", and come to their OWN conclusions as to what Monsieur Vallee's conclusions are... June http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] UFO should not necessarily imply ET ?
From: "tenebroust" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Well, it certainly is good to have Alfred here. Since he has read and knows about >every aspect of >UFOlogy, I strongly encourage all people who doubt the ET hypothesis of UFO origins >to just hang up your >hats and drop it in the face of his insurmountable knowledge on the matter. I know >that I am intimidated >by his "I know more than you, so you should just shut up" attitude. If we were smart >maybe we should just >declare him the winner. Not only does he know all, but he's instructed all the well-known authors in the field, who presumably would be still hotwiring computers for a living if they hadn't availed themselves of his unending fount of knowledge... Strange that none of them mention him in their acknowledgements prefacing their well-known works ;-) June http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] UFO should not necessarily imply ET ?
It is perfectly appropriate for someone to bring their qualifications and experience to the table during a discussion. June and Mr. Webre interpret Vallee differently. That Mr. Webre knew him and worked with him adds weight to his interpretation. "Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector" does not apply to you? Samantha In a message dated 6/3/00 12:19:08 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Well, it certainly is good to have Alfred here. Since he has read and knows > about every aspect of UFOlogy, I strongly encourage all people who doubt the > ET hypothesis of UFO origins to just hang up your hats and drop it in the > face of his insurmountable knowledge on the matter. I know that I am > intimidated by his "I know more than you, so you should just shut up" > attitude. If we were smart maybe we should just declare him the winner. > ETH. . .ETH. . . ETH (reciting mantra) http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] UFO should not necessarily imply ET ?
Well, it certainly is good to have Alfred here. Since he has read and knows about every aspect of UFOlogy, I strongly encourage all people who doubt the ET hypothesis of UFO origins to just hang up your hats and drop it in the face of his insurmountable knowledge on the matter. I know that I am intimidated by his "I know more than you, so you should just shut up" attitude. If we were smart maybe we should just declare him the winner. ETH. . .ETH. . . ETH (reciting mantra) On Fri, 02 June 2000, DIG alfred webre wrote: > > In a message dated 00-06-01 23:35:03 EDT, you write: > > << I agree with Vallee's conclusions in "Messengers of Deception". > >> > > Dear June - Oh I guess I better go a read again the book that I AM IN. You > are so stuck in yourself, June, you don;t even notice that Jacques Vallee was > writing about people in this thread in the very book you mention. > > Jacques was at the Institute for the Future when I was a futurist at SRI > (1977-78). Jacques and I had many meetings and lunches discussing various > models. I thoroughly explained the context communication theory of > extraterrestrial to him, which hold that the UFO phenomena is unitary and > functions as "peripheral cuing", elevating human consciousness. The source > of the phenomenon is extradimensional and extraterrestrial. As I explained > it to him (he went on to collarborate with our 1977 Carter White House/ NSF > study) > he exclaimed: "Very good. That's very much like my views." In fact, the > context communication theory, which you can begin to read in Exopolitics > (UniverseBooks.com) is actually more advanced that Jacques' views. I swear on > a stack of virtual Bibles as to the above. > > NOW WILL YOU GET OFF OF YOUR COMBATIVE STANCE, AND REALIZE THAT YOU ARE > DEALING WITH RESEARCHERS WHO HAVE BEEN AROUND, > AND FROM WHOM YOU MAY LEARN SOMETHING. WHY NOT JUST DROP YOUR COUNTER-POINT > CIRCUS ATTITUDE, JUNE. ALFRED WEBRE > > THEORIES: JACQUES VALLEE'S = ALFRED WEBRE'S = GAME OVER > > http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org > DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER > == > CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic > screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are > sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, > misdirections > and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and > minor > effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, > CTRL > gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; > be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and > nazi's need not apply. > > Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. > > Archives Available at: > http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html > http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl > > To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Om "Welcome to the desert of the real." Morpheus, in The Matrix "My God it's full of stars!" Dave Bowman, in 2001: A Space Odyssey ___ Why pay when you don't have to? Get AltaVista Free Internet Access now! http://jump.altavista.com/freeaccess4.go ___ http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] UFO should not necessarily imply ET ?
In a message dated 00-06-01 23:35:03 EDT, you write: << I agree with Vallee's conclusions in "Messengers of Deception". >> Dear June - Oh I guess I better go a read again the book that I AM IN. You are so stuck in yourself, June, you don;t even notice that Jacques Vallee was writing about people in this thread in the very book you mention. Jacques was at the Institute for the Future when I was a futurist at SRI (1977-78). Jacques and I had many meetings and lunches discussing various models. I thoroughly explained the context communication theory of extraterrestrial to him, which hold that the UFO phenomena is unitary and functions as "peripheral cuing", elevating human consciousness. The source of the phenomenon is extradimensional and extraterrestrial. As I explained it to him (he went on to collarborate with our 1977 Carter White House/ NSF study) he exclaimed: "Very good. That's very much like my views." In fact, the context communication theory, which you can begin to read in Exopolitics (UniverseBooks.com) is actually more advanced that Jacques' views. I swear on a stack of virtual Bibles as to the above. NOW WILL YOU GET OFF OF YOUR COMBATIVE STANCE, AND REALIZE THAT YOU ARE DEALING WITH RESEARCHERS WHO HAVE BEEN AROUND, AND FROM WHOM YOU MAY LEARN SOMETHING. WHY NOT JUST DROP YOUR COUNTER-POINT CIRCUS ATTITUDE, JUNE. ALFRED WEBRE THEORIES: JACQUES VALLEE'S = ALFRED WEBRE'S = GAME OVER http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] UFO should not necessarily imply ET ?
From: "DIG alfred webre" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Oh June - you know about Vallee. Well, what does the eminent Jacques >Vallee have to say about UFOs? What do you think Jacque thinks about UFOs. >Please enlighten us. Jacques says in interview UFOs might be the >manifestation of Universe mega-intelligence (Gods). That's >extraterrestrial, June. No it's not. "Universe mega-intelligence (Gods)" [sic] could as easily be extra-dimensional as extra-terrestial...and 'might be' is not the same as 'is'... I suggest you read Vallee's "Messengers of Deception"... >And guess what - >YOU will never get to see a God like that up close and personal. I personally believe there is only one God, and that God is NOT an ET, as you define the term. >So why not be like Nessie, and disclose to us where you are coming from. >Do you agree with Jacques Vallee? I agree with Vallee's conclusions in "Messengers of Deception". June Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] UFO should not necessarily imply ET ?
Oh June - you know about Vallee. Well, what does the eminent Jacques Vallee have to say about UFOs? What do you think Jacque thinks about UFOs. Please enlighten us. Jacques says in interview UFOs might be the manifestation of Universe mega-intelligence (Gods). That's extraterrestrial, June. And guess what - YOU will never get to see a God like that up close and personal. So why not be like Nessie, and disclose to us where you are coming from. Do you agree with Jacques Vallee? Thank you. Alfred Webre _ earthradioTV.com - Alternative News Forum for ecology, politics & consciousness. MIRROR SITES: USA http://www.earthradioTV.com/ CZECH http://mujweb.cz/www/ecologynews/ UK http://members.tripod.co.uk/ecologynews/ Canada http://www.ecologynews.com/ http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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On Tue, 30 May 2000, Nurev Ind Research wrote: > > DIG alfred webre wrote: > > > > In a message dated 00-05-28 14:15:44 EDT, you write: > > > > << No denial going on here. Just a request for the 'evidence' that is > > claimed to exist, and which I notice YOU fail to provide, resorting instead > > to personal attack. > > > > June >> > > > > June, please read the evidence summarized in May 27, 2000 article: > > http://www.alienzoo.com/news/u/25280005.cfm > > > > The hard evidence in these French reports now is formally stated to most > > strongly support an extraterrestrial hypothesis. ETs are here and have been > > proven so, despite the best efforts of the USA military. > > > > What has been disconcerting in monitoring this thread is that the French > > report has been provided, and yet the ET-skeptical members have had no > > visible shift in attitude. The "there are no UFOs or ETs" argument is OVER. > > Only in the minds of USA mind controllers and their mind-captive population > > (55% of the USA adults) do ETs and UFOs not exist. My guess is that this > > list falls out pretty much with the general population: 45% are ET sensitive; > > 55% are ET skeptical or no opinion. > > > > Comprenez-vous? Alfred > > Dear 45% ET Sensitives, > > I'm afraid that I must leave this thread. I can't continue without honestly > saying what I think. That would not be polite, and I'm always polite. > > So being stuck here on the lovely Planet Earth, I must bid you farewell as > you soar beyond the reaches of reality into the Great Fog. > > Take a sweater, it's cold and clammy in there. > > Joshua2 > Indeed, as am I since there is nothing presented in the way of proof in support of such notions. I will also say that we should not forget that according to the eminent UFOlogist Jaques Vallee, the FRENCH MILITARY was involved in one supposed "alien abduction" which they staged in order to determine the psychological impact as well as the RELIGIOUS ASPECTS of it. One of the people involved in the abduction, a friend of the abducted, started a cult after it was all over. Sources in the FRENCH MILITARY admitted to Vallee that it was PHONY. So much for those French and their "unbiased" reporting. "Welcome to the desert of the real." Morpheus, in The Matrix "My God it's full of stars!" Dave Bowman, in 2001: A Space Odyssey ___ Why pay when you don't have to? Get AltaVista Free Internet Access now! http://jump.altavista.com/freeaccess4.go ___ http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] UFO should not necessarily imply ET ?
DIG alfred webre wrote: > > In a message dated 00-05-28 14:15:44 EDT, you write: > > << No denial going on here. Just a request for the 'evidence' that is > claimed to exist, and which I notice YOU fail to provide, resorting instead > to personal attack. > > June >> > > June, please read the evidence summarized in May 27, 2000 article: > http://www.alienzoo.com/news/u/25280005.cfm > > The hard evidence in these French reports now is formally stated to most > strongly support an extraterrestrial hypothesis. ETs are here and have been > proven so, despite the best efforts of the USA military. > > What has been disconcerting in monitoring this thread is that the French > report has been provided, and yet the ET-skeptical members have had no > visible shift in attitude. The "there are no UFOs or ETs" argument is OVER. > Only in the minds of USA mind controllers and their mind-captive population > (55% of the USA adults) do ETs and UFOs not exist. My guess is that this > list falls out pretty much with the general population: 45% are ET sensitive; > 55% are ET skeptical or no opinion. > > Comprenez-vous? Alfred Dear 45% ET Sensitives, I'm afraid that I must leave this thread. I can't continue without honestly saying what I think. That would not be polite, and I'm always polite. So being stuck here on the lovely Planet Earth, I must bid you farewell as you soar beyond the reaches of reality into the Great Fog. Take a sweater, it's cold and clammy in there. Joshua2 Editorial Reviews Sleeping with Extra-Terrestrials, a critical assessment of the extent to which U.S. society has succumbed to the irrational. Wendy Kaminer goes on to sift her way through pop spirituality "classics" like The Celestine Prophecy and Conversations with God and visits seminars by New Age gurus (leaving her "amused and dismayed by the painful stupidities that people embrace to ease their fears of death"), but Sleeping with Extra-Terrestrials is not merely an assault on religion--Kaminer also attacks purveyors of junk science, the influence of the recovered-memory movement on both feminism and the American court system, and the "cyberspacy" claims made by boosters of technological progress. Whether she's considering the extensive belief in UFOs and alien abductions or wondering why so many people worshipped Princess Diana in the hour of her death, Kaminer shows how an unrestrained culture of faith "encourages passivity, gullibility, and a childlike craving for authority." Rationalists will find her skepticism a refreshing tonic. --Ron Hogan The New York Times Book Review, Caroline Knapp The world, it seems, has gone to hell in a handbasket, and Kaminer--a sharp, outspoken thinker--sees evidence of this at every turn. From Kirkus Reviews A thorough examination of faith-based beliefs, from visitations by angels to abductions by aliens, with a detailed list of the problems these beliefs create in society at large. Cultural commentator Kaminer (I'm Dysfunctional, You're Dysfunctional: The Recovery Movement and Other Self-Help Fashions, 1992, etc.) covers broad ground in her criticisms. Shes not afraid to lump together established religious groups and the followers of New Age movements in her presentation of their influence on... read more Book Description In Sleeping with Extra-Terrestrials, Wendy Kaminer argues that we are a society intoxicated by the irrational: religion, spirituality, and popular therapies threaten to replace rational thought with supernaturalism and impassioned but unexamined personal testimony. Ranging from our fascination with angels, aliens, and near- death experiences to the rise of junk science, the recovery movement, and the digital culture, Kaminer points out the amusing and ominous effects of our deference to... read more http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing prop
Re: [CTRL] UFO should not necessarily imply ET ?
From: "DIG alfred webre" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > June, please read the evidence summarized in May 27, 2000 article: > http://www.alienzoo.com/news/u/25280005.cfm > > The hard evidence in these French reports now is formally stated to most > strongly support an extraterrestrial hypothesis. ETs are here and have been > proven so, despite the best efforts of the USA military. The link you point to is on a site devoted to a belief in an ET-basis for the UFO phenomenon...hardly a subjective site. Secondly, the article in question is one written by a Leslie Kean of The Commercial Appeal of Memphis, Tennessee. As such, it is only this reporter's INTERPRETATION of the French report. It is not the report itself. Unless Leslie Kean is an expert French linguist, then he or she would have had to rely on someone else's interpretation...which can lead to errors. The quote we are given has these officials supposedly stating: '"numerous manifestations observed by reliable witnesses could be the work of craft of extraterrestrial origin" and that, in fact, the best explanation is "the extraterrestrial hypothesis." Although not categorically proven, "strong presumptions exist in its favor and if it is correct, it is loaded with significant consequences." ' "Could be the work of...", is hardly a statement of uncategorical belief. Even "...and that, in fact, the best expalantion..." does not mean that it is the ONLY explanation. "Although not categorically proven, 'strong presumptions exist'..." again is hardly a statement of uncategorical belief. Quite frankly, I see little difference between this article, and what one can find any week in The Star, The Weekly World News, The Globe, or any other supermarket tabloid. The reporter never mentions his or her source for this, and since I doubt the reporter is fluent in French, the reporter would need to have someone else's translation of this report. We aren't shown that Reporter Kean even tried to do the modicum of work a reporter worth the name should have done. Did Kean try to reach any of these French officials for a direct quote? Or did Reporter Kean unthinkingly accept something off of the wire service, a report that could be a deliberate planting of disinformation? We don't know, because Reporter Kean obviously did nothing more that put his or her name on a 'canned' report off of a wire service, else there would be a mention of Kean's actually conversing with anyone who is quoted in the article. Sorry, this is NOT 'evidence'. It is a report CLAIMING that there is evidence, but it presents none. June http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: > > >The hard evidence in these French reports now is formally stated to most >strongly support an extraterrestrial hypothesis. What hard evidence? > > >ETs are here and have been >proven so, How? What's the proof? A French military report!?! That's a report, that's not evidence. Evidence is physical. > >What has been disconcerting in monitoring this thread is that the French >report has been provided, and yet the ET-skeptical members have had no >visible shift in attitude. It's not convincing. It's only a report. It's not evidence. It's not even from a reliable source. Can't you tell the difference between a report and physical evidence? > >The "there are no UFOs or ETs" argument is OVER. That's not what we're arguing about. I'll say it again since you clearly didn't get it the first ten times. (1.) There are definitely UFOs. This is beyond all shadow of doubt. (2.) There are in all probablitiy more kinds of ETs than we can even imagine. (3.) There is no conclusive, forensic evidence that UFOs are of ET origin, none, zero, zilch, nada. If there was, either you would have presented it or somebody else would have. You have not, and neither have they. > http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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In a message dated 00-05-28 14:15:44 EDT, you write: << No denial going on here. Just a request for the 'evidence' that is claimed to exist, and which I notice YOU fail to provide, resorting instead to personal attack. June >> June, please read the evidence summarized in May 27, 2000 article: http://www.alienzoo.com/news/u/25280005.cfm The hard evidence in these French reports now is formally stated to most strongly support an extraterrestrial hypothesis. ETs are here and have been proven so, despite the best efforts of the USA military. What has been disconcerting in monitoring this thread is that the French report has been provided, and yet the ET-skeptical members have had no visible shift in attitude. The "there are no UFOs or ETs" argument is OVER. Only in the minds of USA mind controllers and their mind-captive population (55% of the USA adults) do ETs and UFOs not exist. My guess is that this list falls out pretty much with the general population: 45% are ET sensitive; 55% are ET skeptical or no opinion. Comprenez-vous? Alfred http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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From: "Andrew Hennessey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Um... I think some of them are flown by extra-dimensional or > >> extra-terrestrial life, yes. There is evidence for it. > > > >What 'evidence'? > > The best evidence I have ever seen for the existence of non-human life > is the agenda of denial currently being deployed on this list. > people should be taking notes - No denial going on here. Just a request for the 'evidence' that is claimed to exist, and which I notice YOU fail to provide, resorting instead to personal attack. June http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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At 06:32 AM 27, 05, , 2000 -0400, you wrote: >From: "Samantha L." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Um... I think some of them are flown by extra-dimensional or >> extra-terrestrial life, yes. There is evidence for it. > >What 'evidence'? > >June The best evidence I have ever seen for the existence of non-human life is the agenda of denial currently being deployed on this list. people should be taking notes - andrew > http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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From: "Samantha L." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Um... I think some of them are flown by extra-dimensional or > extra-terrestrial life, yes. There is evidence for it. What 'evidence'? June http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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In a message dated 5/26/00 6:07:09 PM Central Daylight Time > > Samantha, there have been "sightings" of all kinds throughout history, > > it is you, and others of similar mindset (those who are inclined to > > believe in alien visitation, not that there is anything wrong with that) > > who classify these things as UFO's flown by aliens, with not one lick of > > evidence to support it. Um... I think some of them are flown by extra-dimensional or extra-terrestrial life, yes. There is evidence for it. By the way, I'm responding to this second-hand because the original hasn't come through in my email yet. I don't even know all of what you wrote. Samantha http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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Tony Dickinson wrote: > > How's about some new nomenclature to help dissambiguate one's position re > any given Unidentified Flying Object (UFO). I would like to propose the > following for example: > > UFOpo (UFO probably ours) A terrestrial craft of type unknown to observer > UFOpa (UFO putative alien) An aerial phenomenon outside the World of books > > UFOso (UFO stellar object) An sighting of event predictable to astronomy > UFOsa (UFO secret agent) Accidental sighting of 'odd-shaped' spy-craft > > UFObo (UFO biological object) Flocking birds, Insects, (+Fish if Fortean) > UFOba (UFO bugger all) Imagined objects in far depth/neuroptic distortions > > Although offered somewhat light heartedly, the issue of whether any given > UFO sighting/report might lose its U-nature is not always clear. > > > Samantha, there have been "sightings" of all kinds throughout history, > > it is you, and others of similar mindset (those who are inclined to > > believe in alien visitation, not that there is anything wrong with that) > > who classify these things as UFO's flown by aliens, with not one lick of > > evidence to support it. > > To me, a UFO is any putative craft in the air that I cannot identify, > hence the U; - this can often include a wide variety of civil (and most > military) aircraft which I might see at 'funny' angles in the sky. One > person's UFO might conceivably be someone else's IFO (and vice-versa). > > ET in my view is/are lifeforms, not necessarily biological in a > commonly-used terrestrial sense, who's origin is beyond the Earth's > biosphere. Most photons are of extraterrestrial origin (Solar) but some > are man-made (lightbulbs). > According to many astronomers 'interstellar dustclouds' are thought to > harbour life; Marburg/hantavirus hybrids appear to be very terrestrial. > > In a nutshell, I would suggest that the most healthy view would be to > simultaneously entertain view that: > > 1. A UFO could contain ET. > 2. An ET might travel in/on a medium of unidentifiable appearance. > > Likewise, and just for completeness:- > > 1. A UFO might as well turn out to be a terrestrial object (UFOpo/UFOsa) > prior to its identification (thereafter becoming an IFO). > > 2. ET might travel in a biol membrane/747/Shuttle/rocket (i.e., an IFO). > > Just a thoughts, whilst the Jury is still out ? > >Cheers, > Tony. This is interesting and even workable. But logic dictates that you invert the order. THIS: > 1. A UFO might as well turn out to be a terrestrial object (UFOpo/UFOsa) > prior to its identification (thereafter becoming an IFO). SHOULD BE NUBER ONE in a logical sequence of probabilities. Then there are more likely possibilities before you need to even mention ETs. But it's ETs that's the real kicker isn't it. It doesn't matter that there is zero evidence that they even exist. The subject is boring and unsexy if Et's were out of the equation. So you guys keep hope alive. Unreality Rules. Joshua2 http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] UFO should not necessarily imply ET ?
How's about some new nomenclature to help dissambiguate one's position re any given Unidentified Flying Object (UFO). I would like to propose the following for example: UFOpo (UFO probably ours) A terrestrial craft of type unknown to observer UFOpa (UFO putative alien) An aerial phenomenon outside the World of books UFOso (UFO stellar object) An sighting of event predictable to astronomy UFOsa (UFO secret agent) Accidental sighting of 'odd-shaped' spy-craft UFObo (UFO biological object) Flocking birds, Insects, (+Fish if Fortean) UFOba (UFO bugger all) Imagined objects in far depth/neuroptic distortions Although offered somewhat light heartedly, the issue of whether any given UFO sighting/report might lose its U-nature is not always clear. > Samantha, there have been "sightings" of all kinds throughout history, > it is you, and others of similar mindset (those who are inclined to > believe in alien visitation, not that there is anything wrong with that) > who classify these things as UFO's flown by aliens, with not one lick of > evidence to support it. To me, a UFO is any putative craft in the air that I cannot identify, hence the U; - this can often include a wide variety of civil (and most military) aircraft which I might see at 'funny' angles in the sky. One person's UFO might conceivably be someone else's IFO (and vice-versa). ET in my view is/are lifeforms, not necessarily biological in a commonly-used terrestrial sense, who's origin is beyond the Earth's biosphere. Most photons are of extraterrestrial origin (Solar) but some are man-made (lightbulbs). According to many astronomers 'interstellar dustclouds' are thought to harbour life; Marburg/hantavirus hybrids appear to be very terrestrial. In a nutshell, I would suggest that the most healthy view would be to simultaneously entertain view that: 1. A UFO could contain ET. 2. An ET might travel in/on a medium of unidentifiable appearance. Likewise, and just for completeness:- 1. A UFO might as well turn out to be a terrestrial object (UFOpo/UFOsa) prior to its identification (thereafter becoming an IFO). 2. ET might travel in a biol membrane/747/Shuttle/rocket (i.e., an IFO). Just a thoughts, whilst the Jury is still out ? Cheers, Tony. http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
