Re: [CTRL] rWhite House property destruction by departing Clintonstaffers
-Caveat Lector- Steve Wingate wrote: -Caveat Lector- There has not been a single shred of factual evidence to support these allegations. Not a single photograph, nothing but claims by certain Bush officials of questionable integrity and motivation. Why no evidence? It did not happen anywhere close to the extent claimed. Steve CHANGING OF THE GUARD Post confirms earlier WND vandalism account White House property destruction by departing Clinton staffers © 2001 WorldNetDaily.com The Washington Post's current stories detailing destruction of White House property by outgoing Clinton staffers confirms the detailed, exclusive reporting done by WorldNetDaily.com last January. When vandalism reports surfaced upon George W. Bush's move into the White House, initial official outrage was quickly doused by the newly inaugurated president's stated desire to change the tone in Washington. However, Rep. Bob Barr, R-Ga., a leader in the move to impeach Clinton, asked the General Accounting Office to check into the matter. In an April 27 letter, the GAO told Barr that there was no record of damage that may have been deliberately caused by the Clinton administration. That is, the White House had not maintained a written accounting of any damage. The matter seemed dead and buried. However, apparently unable to leave well enough alone, Democrats like Rep. Anthony Weiner, D-N.Y., seized upon the GAO report as vindication of Clinton and evidence that the Bush people had been fabricating their initial vandalism reports - and even demanded an apology from Bush. Pushed against the wall, the Bush White House responded by doing what it refrained from doing last January - and issued late last week an extensive list of damage done by outgoing Clinton staffers. The list includes obscene graffiti in six offices, a 20-inch-wide presidential seal ripped off a wall, 10 sliced telephone lines and 100 inoperable computer keyboards, according to the Washington Post. Jake Siewert, Clinton's last presidential press secretary, called the White House's actions incredibly infuriating, reports the Post. 'We tried to be gracious' Most of the incidents described yesterday by White House press secretary Ari Fleischer, said the Post, were said to have occurred in the Eisenhower Executive Office Building, adjacent to the White House. Pornographic or obscene greetings were left on 15 telephone lines in the offices of the vice president and White House counsel and in the scheduling and advance offices, Fleischer said. As a precaution, all phones were disabled and reprogrammed, he said. The details were provided to The Washington Post after several days of inquiries about the degree of White House cooperation with the GAO, the investigative arm of Congress, reported the Post. White House officials added that they did not release the information sooner because of Bush's desire to move forward and not live in the past, said the Post. But in the face of accusations the White House fabricated the tales of vandalism, Fleischer says the Bush team was forced to respond. The White House will defend itself and the career employees, Fleischer said, according to the Post account. We tried to be gracious, but the last administration would not take graciousness. By getting the information out, we hope to put an end to this, so everyone can go on with the policy and business of the government. Sunday's Washington Post story confirms -- five months later -- WND's earlier investigative reporting, based on knowledgeable sources such as career White House computer technicians, on exactly what was damaged in the White House by departing Clinton staffers. Here are a few comparisons: Post (June 3, 2001): Fleischer said that workers were able to affix new 'W' caps to many computers but that 100 keyboards had to be replaced. WND (Jan. 26, 2001): Based on a preliminary survey, an estimated 50 to 60 computer keyboards were actually destroyed, and not just temporarily disabled as originally believed, after outgoing aides removed the plastic key with the letter 'W' -- President Bush's new famous middle initial. 'We'll actually have to replace the whole keyboards, because they also gouged out the contacts underneath (the plastic keys),' said a White House computer technician in an exclusive interview with WorldNetDaily. Post: Fleischer also said five brass nameplates bearing the presidential seal were missing in the Eisenhower building [the Old Executive Office Building]. WND: Outgoing staffers pried several official U.S. emblems, about the size of 50-cent coins, from doors in the Old Executive Office Building, according to a General Services Administration worker involved in the maintenance of White House offices. Post: White House officials yesterday released a list of damage ... including ... 10 sliced telephone lines ... . WND: Former White House aides also cut telephone lines throughout the White House compound. 'There was a lot of them
Re: [CTRL] rWhite House property destruction by departing Clintonstaffers
-Caveat Lector- Yes, BB I read the article the first time. Like I said before, why no photographs? All we have is a few anonymous sources reported on by right wing pro-Republican media. Steve On 6 Jun 01, at 1:23, BB wrote: -Caveat Lector- Steve Wingate wrote: -Caveat Lector- There has not been a single shred of factual evidence to support these allegations. Not a single photograph, nothing but claims by certain Bush officials of questionable integrity and motivation. Why no evidence? It did not happen anywhere close to the extent claimed. Steve CHANGING OF THE GUARD Post confirms earlier WND vandalism account White House property destruction by departing Clinton staffers © 2001 WorldNetDaily.com ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] rWhite House property destruction by departing Clintonstaffers
Could be that photographs were taken but they are the property of police. Could be that photographs were taken but are under GWB's control. Could be that HRC's silence speaks volumes. Didn't Klintonites as much as admit this happened back in January? - Original Message - From: Steve Wingate To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 4:47 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] rWhite House property destruction by departing Clintonstaffers -Caveat Lector-Yes, BB I read the article the first time. Like I said before, why nophotographs? All we have is a few anonymous sources reported on by rightwing pro-Republican media.SteveOn 6 Jun 01, at 1:23, BB wrote: -Caveat Lector- Steve Wingate wrote: -Caveat Lector- There has not been a single shred of factual evidence to support these allegations. Not a single photograph, nothing but claims by certain Bush officials of questionable integrity and motivation. Why no evidence? It did not happen anywhere close to the extent claimed. Steve CHANGING OF THE GUARD Post confirms earlier WND vandalism account White House property destruction by departing Clinton staffers © 2001 WorldNetDaily.comANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILEShttp://www.anomalous-images.comA HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/ADECLARATION DISCLAIMER==CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandicscreeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These aresordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis-directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups withmajor and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, andalways suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives nocredence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.Archives Available at:http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.htmlA HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of[EMAIL PROTECTED]/Ahttp:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/ATo subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]Om
Re: [CTRL] rWhite House property destruction by departing Clintonstaffers
-Caveat Lector- On 6 Jun 01, at 6:35, Foxter wrote: Could be that photographs were taken but they are the property of police. Could be that photographs were taken but are under GWB's control. Could it be that if that was the case we would seen them by now, or at least heard of them from an 'unnammed source'? Could be that HRC's silence speaks volumes. Didn't Klintonites as much as admit this happened back in January? No. How could they both be silent (significant) and also admit to it? You are using Bush Logic. Steve ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] rWhite House property destruction by departing Clintonstaffers
I did not mean for all hypotheses to hang together or be consistent, I was just suggesting possibilities. - Original Message - From: Steve Wingate To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 7:01 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] rWhite House property destruction by departing Clintonstaffers -Caveat Lector-On 6 Jun 01, at 6:35, Foxter wrote: Could be that photographs were taken but they are the property of police. Could be that photographs were taken but are under GWB's control.Could it be that if that was the case we would seen them by now, or at leastheard of them from an 'unnammed source'? Could be that HRC's silence speaks volumes. Didn't Klintonites as much as admit this happened back in January?No. How could they both be silent (significant) and also admit to it? You areusing Bush Logic.SteveANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILEShttp://www.anomalous-images.comA HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/ADECLARATION DISCLAIMER==CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandicscreeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These aresordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis-directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups withmajor and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, andalways suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives nocredence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.Archives Available at:http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.htmlA HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of[EMAIL PROTECTED]/Ahttp:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/ATo subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]Om
Re: [CTRL] rWhite House property destruction by departing Clintonstaffers
-Caveat Lector- PLEASEEE tell me where I may hear the right wing pro- Republican media I love to know. IT DOES NOT EXIST! All 3 networks, the Wash Compost, The NY TIMES etc etc are ALLL owned an operated by friends of THE PIG. A right winger would not be allowed anywhere within a mile of these cesspools. On Wed, 6 Jun 2001 01:47:59 -0700 Steve Wingate [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- Yes, BB I read the article the first time. Like I said before, why no photographs? All we have is a few anonymous sources reported on by right wing pro-Republican media. Steve On 6 Jun 01, at 1:23, BB wrote: -Caveat Lector- Steve Wingate wrote: -Caveat Lector- There has not been a single shred of factual evidence to support these allegations. Not a single photograph, nothing but claims by certain Bush officials of questionable integrity and motivation. Why no evidence? It did not happen anywhere close to the extent claimed. Steve CHANGING OF THE GUARD Post confirms earlier WND vandalism account White House property destruction by departing Clinton staffers © 2001 WorldNetDaily.com ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] rWhite House property destruction by departing Clintonstaffers
-Caveat Lector- PLEASEEE tell me where I may hear the right wing pro- Republican media Maybe you missed this one: From:radman Sent: Tue 5/22/2001 1:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Big media pushes news to the far right -Caveat Lector- Tuesday, May 22, 2001 Big media pushes news to the far right http://www.sfexaminer.com/opinion/default.jsp?story=OPfuchs0506w The biggest lie fed the American people by conservative pundits is that the United States is dominated by the liberal media. As if Rupert Murdoch, Michael Eisner, General Electric, Time-Warner AOL and Viacom are owned and operated by liberals. Not only are these folks ultra-conservatives, but the people they hire to voice their opinions are so far to the right, they give independent journalism a dirty name. No, my friends, the corporate media is in the hands of right-wing kooks parading as moderates and pushing the political envelope further and further to the right. That great political scientist Hannah Arendt said American democracy would live or die as a result of the marketplace of ideas. If the marketplace is closed down because one political philosophy predominates, than democracy will die. And that has happened over a period of time because of the burgeoning power of media conglomerates and the destruction of independent journalism. Now we are about to see another major assault on media journalism by the Federal Communications Commission. The new chair of the FCC is Michael Powell, the son of Colin Powell. For decades the Supreme Court has ruled that no media company should own more than one medium in a market and that television market penetration should be limited to no more than 35 percent. That ruling helped provide competition in the marketplace and a diversity of ideas. The rulings also prohibited cross-ownership of radio, newspapers and television in the same market. But now the FCC and the appeals courts have become sympathetic to the free speech rights of corporations and more skeptical of the role of government in promoting diversity in the mass media. Of course, the nation's largest TV networks, cable companies and other media businesses have become powerful financial contributors to political parties. Powell is invoking free speech in his interpretation of the rules governing broadcast restrictions. He objects to the government imposing rules that limit how many people one company can talk to. He says, There is something offensive to First Amendment values about that limitation. The FCC will review this rule and determine what modifications are warranted. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia has a case before it that involves just that issue as Viacom, Inc., the parent company of CBS, finds out whether it has to divest stations to come in compliance with the 35 percent cap. Earlier this year the D.C. appeals court threw out similar restrictions on cable TV companies, an action many believe signaled a change in the networks' war against the broadcast limit. In that case the court determined that limiting the number of subscribers one company can reach, impeded too heavily on free speech. And within a few weeks officials at the FCC said the agency will begin to loosen a 26-year-old regulation restricting a company from owning a television station and a newspaper in the same market. Some consumer groups have denounced the court's decision, saying it would further concentrate media power in many markets with limited competition, sharply reducing the diversity of viewpoints on the airwaves and diminishing the number of companies. These rules, which the courts and Powell want to do away with, have protected the American public's access to news, information and programming reflecting many political views, different perspectives and tastes. The erosion of these protections means that the ultra-conservatives will not only dominate the airwaves, but monopolize it. What Powell and the courts are missing in all this is that since the beginning of radio, the federal government has regulated the airwaves, taking the unequivocal position that it belongs to the people, not to the corporations. Businesses were allowed to broadcast using the airwaves as long as they maintained certain rules and standards. People like Rush Limbaugh could never make it on radio because of a rule that gave equal time to persons to respond to political attacks by commentators. Radio commentators were very careful in how they broached their attacks in the old days. That rule went out when Ronald Reagan became president and Democrats in Congress agreed to the change. Perhaps the best example of where the media in this country is headed is best illustrated by Jane Akre and Steve Wilson. They won the Goldman Environmental Prize for trying to report on the potentially
