Re: [CTRL] "proof"-- documenting anecdotal evidence
Well Nessie - they say a Mason can usually tell when one of their own gets out of line..J. Edgar Hoover got the message usually when it came to Mafia murder, for they wanted him to know who did it, but not be able to prove it. So we have the Kiss of Death and Murder Cases in the Bible, and how do you say when the mob shouted Give Us Barabas - it was really, "the mob". This Mafia thing - one big happy family - knock off the President of the USA, turn loose a little Sirhan who spent a good portion of his time staring into dark mirrors.and oh yes, when the Kiss of Death is planted so neatly - well Judas, was the finger man...the informer.like Lincoln, a Judas, a Brutus, and a Spy...but John Wilkes Boothe I was taught, did the world a favor when he knocked off Lincoln, timed to the same criminal bible code. For the Mafia like the poor, we have with us always..Give Us Barabasbetter turn loose John Gotti, or you might find another World Trade Center or Oklahoma City i heaps...Give Us Barabas, and the feds would not loose Lucky Luciano until one day in a Jersey yard a Navy destroy was found lying on its side, compliments of Luciano's Union friends. Give Us Barabas..well how does this story go now, for when the mob shouted Give Us Barabas too a guy who had killed 19 people and admited it on the witness stand was given total immunity, placed in witness protection, and they sent John Gotti to prison? At least they did noit hang him upside down on a cross.that Janet Reno is a sadistic big bitch, is she not> Give Us John Gotti and have peace, in our time? I am beginning to think so. Spare us from Joe Lieberman and Gore - Please Godthese two fascist pigs would have us praying on every street corner while they loose the queers and open the gates of hell. Saba Remember Al Capone...Give Us Barabas, and hey - maybe, just maybe as big Al said, the Lindberg baby would be returnedfor you know,lots of people thought the wrong man was elecrocuted on tht one. Well today, if you say Give Me Liberty, Or Give Me Death, they shoot you. So just give me Baby Bush and I can survive with him..he is harmless enough and at least, doesn't pray on corners. A. Saba Dare To Call It Conspiracy http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] "proof"-- documenting anecdotal evidence
In a message dated 8/17/00 8:20:48 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >Please continue to post those wonderful pieces of basic historic >data. I don't know how you have the time or the ability to find and post >these new resources day after day but I really appreciate your efforts. >I have probably made more connections from the information and resources >posted to this list than any other internet source. >thanks again >Patty Your welcome, thanks, I get lots of help from my friends out there and the good Lord willing . . . shall continue. The times are unfolding that shall show each of us the timbre of our souls. Onwards to the utmost of futures. Om K - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, All My Relations. Omnia Bona Bonis, Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] "proof"-- documenting anecdotal evidence
In a message dated 8/17/00 10:22:31 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > This is an excellent approach to analyzing anecdotal data. It will > probably lead to significant discoveries. It is unlikely, however, to lead > to any convictions. You're going to have to catch perps in the act to do > that. Even then, expect the courts to side with the perps. The purposes as stated did not mention using the data to convict perps. It mentioned having credibility with a larger audience via analysis of a large sample of anecdotal evidence. The "significant discoveries" you laud and then negate with the next sentence are important to some people who understand fully that these things are real and are happening and need as much information as possible to make headway in stopping it. > While compiling and cross matching a great deal of anecdotal evidence > makes a better case than presenting isolated cases, it's still only > anecdotal. Anecdotal evidence, without forensic evidence to back it up, is > not sufficient enough proof to convince a court, or even most of the > public. To present a truly compelling case requires a whole lot more than > just anecdotes, however well they are analyzed. Well, thank you for pointing that out. We are all way too f---ing stupid to figure that out for ourselves. Samantha http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] "proof"-- documenting anecdotal evidence
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: > >Kris > >Thank you for your encouragement. I want to second that. Sticking up for TIs takes a lot of intestinal fortitude. Not only does it bring on the risk of being targeted oneself, but it almost always subjects one to the ridicule of the uninformed. I must admit that my own efforts along these lines have given me literal nightmares at times. When an unmarked van parks on my block, my blood pressure goes up immediately. When I developed tinnitus, I at first suspected harmonics from an ultrasonic MC gizmo. Frankly, this is a very disconcerting possibility. I encourage all people involved in researching this stuff to keep a level head about it. Yeah, I know it's difficult sometimes, but a sense of humor helps. So does the sure and certain knowledge that you are doing the right thing. Good for you, Kris. Do it some more. If enough attention is called to this problem, sooner or later someone will notice who has the skill and the training to actually develop the countermeasures that are required. Let's all work together to attract his attention. http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] "proof"-- documenting anecdotal evidence
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: > >The data is being entered into a computer database . . .etc. This is an excellent approach to analyzing anecdotal data. It will probably lead to significant discoveries. It is unlikely, however, to lead to any convictions. You're going to have to catch perps in the act to do that. Even then, expect the courts to side with the perps. While compiling and cross matching a great deal of anecdotal evidence makes a better case than presenting isolated cases, it's still only anecdotal. Anecdotal evidence, without forensic evidence to back it up, is not sufficient enough proof to convince a court, or even most of the public. To present a truly compelling case requires a whole lot more than just anecdotes, however well they are analyzed. Eleanor White is on the right track, or one of them, anyway. She actually built one of the devices that some perps may be using. When she presents her case, which is almost every day, she can physically demonstrate that V2S is not an abstract speculation. It's real. She can do it herself. She actually owns a silent sound demo device. See: http://www.raven1.net/vfmbuild.htm Still though, convincing a court to convict, or even indict, is going to take hard, forensic evidence along the line of fingerprints, surveillance tapes, etc., and a whole lot of it. Frankly, I doubt that courts will ever convict any perps, especially those working for the government. There's a slim chance that one of the handful of independent, "lone nut" perps who also do this kind of thing to peoplemight someday face justice in court. But don't count on it. And especially don't count on the government convicting one of its own. It isn't going to happen. Court isn't about justice. Court is about money and power. The government is not your friend. It's a tool by which our rulers oppress us, and not the only or even the most important one one they employ. I think that instead of pursuing the Quixotic goal of legal justice that the TI community should take matters into their own hands. Instead of concentrating on trying to convince the public this stuff is real, concentrate on R&D. Develop electronic countermeasures and reliable direction finding equipment. If I thought for one minute that I was a TI, I would go on a counter offensive, track the perp down and ram that gizmo right down his sorry throat. I sure as hell wouldn't go to the police. Going to the police is a complete and total waste of time. There's a name for people who rely on the police to protect them. They're called victims. FWIW, I do wonder sometimes if I am a TI. There is no way to know for sure. The same technology that makesthe obvious cases possible also makes possible far more subtle cases. You own voice can be recorded, edited for content, and played back to you in such a way that there is very little way you could tell it wasn't your own mind subvocalizing. Furthermore, hypnosis via silent sound presumable works like hypnosis in general, i.e., it can include a post hypnotic command to forget that it happened. So really, it could happen to anybody, and they'd only know if the perps wanted them to. http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] "proof"-- documenting anecdotal evidence
Kris Thank you for your encouragement. This list and specifically many of the pieces of information you have contributed to have been invaluable to our research. Some of the most esoteric have been the most important in putting together disparate pieces of information. The last ones that come to mind were the posts on code and the bibliographies of code history. These were extremely helpful, providing more documentation of the who-what-where that could then be correlated to the survivor memories of binary code. Please continue to post those wonderful pieces of basic historic data. I don't know how you have the time or the ability to find and post these new resources day after day but I really appreciate your efforts. I have probably made more connections from the information and resources posted to this list than any other internet source. thanks again Patty At 09:39 PM 08/17/2000 -0400, you wrote: >I say hear, hear, something must be done. And one of the first is to >understand what is -really- going on. And what you folks are doing shall >help. Thanks > >Om >K > >In a message dated 8/17/00 6:06:09 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > >>The data http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] "proof"-- documenting anecdotal evidence
I say hear, hear, something must be done. And one of the first is to understand what is -really- going on. And what you folks are doing shall help. Thanks Om K In a message dated 8/17/00 6:06:09 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >The data is being entered into a computer database and then mapped through >time and space to find commonalities. Data from other sources is also >being mapped, such as professional journals, historical sources, other >firmly documented researcher data, etc, to see what correlations may arise >between the anecdotal evidence and the "traditional" sources. We attempt >to collect some basic information from each person and then additional >information may also be submitted. We also are scanning and creating >archives of survivor drawings and including this graphical information >in >the database. > >I would appreciate any input from this group regarding our project and >your >impressions of the credibility of information summarized from the anecdotal >evidence of many independent contributors. - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, All My Relations. Omnia Bona Bonis, Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
