Re: [CTRL] Israelis Execute 11 year old Palestinian Girl Terrorist
-Caveat Lector- As to illegal - I'm not so sure. It was British land to give. Other land was lost and gained in war. Are you going to disclaim all lands won by conquest? That's ok with me, as long as we do it across the board. I won't really miss Texas, and if they become Mexicans they can't send us any more Presidents. Again your argument makes no sense. The Palestinians do currently live and occupy the W Bank and Gaza - NOT the Israelis. Not to say the Sharonites hope to brutalize the Palestinians to the extent they will be forced to leave - I doubt that will happen but perhaps the Israelis will eventually murder them all - then all the religious wackos from Brooklyn will have plenty of room for new settlements. BTW, it appears the Mexicans are well along the process of retaking most of what they lost in 1848. Fine with me. Throughout History, no land has ever been lost by conquest - only by demographics. So called conquorers who do not literally replace the population with their own people always eventually are kicked out as your British friends will attest to. flw A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Israelis Execute 11 year old Palestinian Girl Terrorist
-Caveat Lector- Hey, I happen to live there... the new Mexican Territory Nice highlands here... well above 5,000 ft... Have a nice day -franc -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of flw Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2002 12:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Israelis Execute 11 year old Palestinian Girl Terrorist -Caveat Lector- As to illegal - I'm not so sure. It was British land to give. Other land was lost and gained in war. Are you going to disclaim all lands won by conquest? That's ok with me, as long as we do it across the board. I won't really miss Texas, and if they become Mexicans they can't send us any more Presidents. Again your argument makes no sense. The Palestinians do currently live and occupy the W Bank and Gaza - NOT the Israelis. Not to say the Sharonites hope to brutalize the Palestinians to the extent they will be forced to leave - I doubt that will happen but perhaps the Israelis will eventually murder them all - then all the religious wackos from Brooklyn will have plenty of room for new settlements. BTW, it appears the Mexicans are well along the process of retaking most of what they lost in 1848. Fine with me. Throughout History, no land has ever been lost by conquest - only by demographics. So called conquorers who do not literally replace the population with their own people always eventually are kicked out as your British friends will attest to. flw A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Israelis Execute 11 year old Palestinian Girl Terrorist
-Caveat Lector- Morals? Both sides have committed evil atrocious acts. Again I state ( I know it's hard for this one to get through)- there is no moral high ground to be had from any side here. You are being coy and equivicating.By equating the acts of the oppressor with the oppressed - the occupied with the occupier, you ARE expressing a moral opinion - a bad moral opinion. Merely throwing up your hands and saying 'a pox on both your houses' condones the basic evil of a brutal occupation and the illegal annexation of another people's land and heritage. Maybe there is a rule that 2 people can't post information from the same article. I must have missed it. Mea culpa. But of course you did not simply 'post information.' Rather you posted an editorial attacking my post as somehow improper because I only quoted that part of the article reporting the murder of the 11 year old girl by Israeli soldiers. Obviously I have no debate with one reading, commenting upon or posting the entire article since I intentionally cited the specific article reference. flw A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Israelis Execute 11 year old Palestinian Girl Terrorist
-Caveat Lector- on 12/24/02 10:02 PM, flw at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Morals? Both sides have committed evil atrocious acts. Again I state ( I know it's hard for this one to get through)- there is no moral high ground to be had from any side here. You are being coy and equivicating.By equating the acts of the oppressor with the oppressed - the occupied with the occupier, you ARE expressing a moral opinion - a bad moral opinion. Merely throwing up your hands and saying 'a pox on both your houses' condones the basic evil of a brutal occupation and the illegal annexation of another people's land and heritage. No. I condemn any brutal oppression. I also condemn murder and terrorism. See no equivocating. Nothing coy. As to illegal - I'm not so sure. It was British land to give. Other land was lost and gained in war. Are you going to disclaim all lands won by conquest? That's ok with me, as long as we do it across the board. I won't really miss Texas, and if they become Mexicans they can't send us any more Presidents. We bought Manhattan, but the rest of you motherfukkas might think about packing your bags. Maybe there is a rule that 2 people can't post information from the same article. I must have missed it. Mea culpa. But of course you did not simply 'post information.' Rather you posted an editorial attacking my post as somehow improper because I only quoted that part of the article reporting the murder of the 11 year old girl by Israeli soldiers. Obviously I have no debate with one reading, commenting upon or posting the entire article since I intentionally cited the specific article reference. flw Improper? I repeat - the word I used was brilliant I reread my initial post again, to be sure - can you show me my editorial attack? My claims of unfair? Improper? -- - --- - --- --- Complete liberty of contradicting our opinion is the very condition which justifies us in assuming its truth. John Stuart Mill NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Israelis Execute 11 year old Palestinian Girl Terrorist
-Caveat Lector- Sorry - wrong: Inflected forms: ed·it·ed , ed·it·ing , ed·its 1 a. To prepare (written material) for publication or presentation, as by correcting, revising, or adapting. b. To prepare an edition of for publication: edit a collection of short stories. c. To modify or adapt so as to make suitable or acceptable: edited her remarks for presentation to a younger audience. 2. To supervise the publication of (a newspaper or magazine, for example). 3. To assemble the components of (a film or soundtrack, for example), as by cutting and splicing. 4. To eliminate; delete: edited the best scene out. 1c would be the appropriate use here. 4 also covers it. It seems you can't understand the difference between quoting from an article and presenting an edited article just as you can't seem to distinguish between an occupier and the occupied. What class do you teach, The Art of Convenient Rationalization? flw A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Israelis Execute 11 year old Palestinian Girl Terrorist
-Caveat Lector- I see the difference. You presented an edited form of an article. The editing took the form of quoting the part that backs up your belief, while editing out all the parts that go against your belief system. My point remains the same - every time you choose to show only part of something, you are displaying an opinion. Who cares? My point was not about the article, but about you. The article speaks for itself. Or it would if it was allowed to remain whole - as it was presented it only speaks for you. AS to your personal attacks and insults - they roll off me as I never enter a battle of wits with the unarmed. I would love for you point out one place where I rationalized. PS - I was teaching editing for video/film documentary. on 12/23/02 11:55 AM, flw at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Sorry - wrong: Inflected forms: ed·it·ed , ed·it·ing , ed·its 1 a. To prepare (written material) for publication or presentation, as by correcting, revising, or adapting. b. To prepare an edition of for publication: edit a collection of short stories. c. To modify or adapt so as to make suitable or acceptable: edited her remarks for presentation to a younger audience. 2. To supervise the publication of (a newspaper or magazine, for example). 3. To assemble the components of (a film or soundtrack, for example), as by cutting and splicing. 4. To eliminate; delete: edited the best scene out. 1c would be the appropriate use here. 4 also covers it. It seems you can't understand the difference between quoting from an article and presenting an edited article just as you can't seem to distinguish between an occupier and the occupied. What class do you teach, The Art of Convenient Rationalization? flw A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om -- -- -- - -- - -- - -- - - - - - - - - - -- The most tyrannical governments are those which make crimes of opinions, for everyone has an inalienable right to his thoughts. Spinoza NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Israelis Execute 11 year old Palestinian Girl Terrorist
-Caveat Lector- My point remains the same - every time you choose to show only part of something, you are displaying an opinion. The facts stated in the quote were the facts that I sought report. The whole article reported other incidents and events. The other incidents or events do not change the reality of that part of the article I quoted. My point was not about the article, but about you. The article speaks for itself. Or it would if it was allowed to remain whole - as it was presented it only speaks for you. You make no sense. The article was referenced for anyone to read in its entirety. I chose to quote a portion of the article. I did not purport to reproduce the whole article. Obviously that portion I quoted was the most important from my perspective. AS to your personal attacks and insults - they roll off me as I never enter a battle of wits with the unarmed. I don't consider any of my comments personal attacks. I would love for you point out one place where I rationalized. Your rationalization was obvious from the fact that you thought it somehow unfair of me not to also quote other incidents where Israelis were victimized. As I pointed out, I do not consider the Israeli and Palestinian situations as morally equivalent. One is a rich powerful militaristic state that seeks to oppress and displace an entire people. The other entity is stateless, poor and has no military and seeks to prevent its destruction by an occupying colonialist power. You apparently consider the murder of an 11 year old Palestinian girl somehow not important as a solitary story but requires 'context' by reporting Israeli deaths. I see value in the story of the girl's death standing alone since I consider that story symbolic of the Israeli - Palestinian tragedy. flw A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Israelis Execute 11 year old Palestinian Girl Terrorist
-Caveat Lector- on 12/23/02 10:19 PM, flw at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your rationalization was obvious from the fact that you thought it somehow unfair of me not to also quote other incidents where Israelis were victimized. Unfair? I think the word I used was brilliant, actually. As I pointed out, I do not consider the Israeli and Palestinian situations as morally equivalent. One is a rich powerful militaristic state that seeks to oppress and displace an entire people. The other entity is stateless, poor and has no military and seeks to prevent its destruction by an occupying colonialist power. Morals? You keep bring these things up, but the rabid fanatics on all sides of this conflict have used all the morals up, and you can't have any because they are still using them. Morals? Both sides have committed evil atrocious acts. Again I state ( I know it's hard for this one to get through)- there is no moral high ground to be had from any side here. You apparently consider the murder of an 11 year old Palestinian girl somehow not important as a solitary story but requires 'context' by reporting Israeli deaths. I see value in the story of the girl's death standing alone since I consider that story symbolic of the Israeli - Palestinian tragedy. I find the story tragic. I find it of great import. It saddens me more than you can imagine. If the shooters think they were behaving as good Jews they were wrong. Completely and totally. Of course if they thought they were behaving like good Muslims, they were also totally and completely wrong. In fact, and in deed, if they think they were acting as good human beings they were wrong. Completely and totally. I also found the story, in the same article, about the rabbi, who now has 6 fatherless children tragic. So I posted it. Not because the story was symbolic of the conflict. Because it was actual flesh and blood. (If I wanted symbolic I could have posted the part about the gift wrapped shrapnel surprise) Maybe there is a rule that 2 people can't post information from the same article. I must have missed it. Mea culpa. -- -- --- -- -- -- -- I believe reality is a marvelous joke staged for my edification and amusement, and everybody is working very hard to make me happy. --Terence McKenna NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Israelis Execute 11 year old Palestinian Girl Terrorist
-Caveat Lector- Brilliant editing. As I used to tell my students - every edit is an opinion. I did not 'edit' the article. It would be 'editing' if I presented the entire article with additions or omissions and offered it purportedly as the original. I did offer an excerpt and cited the original source for anyone to read for him/herself (which you apparently did using my cited reference). You will note that my excerpt was outlined in 'quotes' clearly indicating I was quoting an excerpt from the body of the article. Of course the editing does not change the facts that a 11 year old Palestinian girl was executed by the Israeli army - while she was watching the funeral procession of a teenage Palestinian boy shot by the Israeli Army the day before. For your information I consider the intentional shooting of bullets into a densely populated civilian occupied area as an execution. I quoted that part of the article that was the most important - that the bloody oppression of the Palestinians continues notwithstanding the cost in lives for both the Israelis and the Palestinians. Your attempt to somehow show 'moral equivilency between the illegal occupier and the occupied who resist violent occupation is disingenious and implies support for illegal occupation through the use of state terrorism. I assume you also find 'moral equivilancy' between the White S African Apartheid regime when they imprisoned Nelson Mandella for 20 years for his involvement in an ANC bombing of White S African civilians. Rather like the Americans who justified murdering 100,000's of American Indian men, women and children because some White Settlers were killed by Indian raiders for stealing their land. flw A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Israelis Execute 11 year old Palestinian Girl Terrorist
-Caveat Lector- on 12/22/02 11:58 AM, flw at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Brilliant editing. As I used to tell my students - every edit is an opinion. I did not 'edit' the article. It would be 'editing' if I presented the entire article with additions or omissions and offered it purportedly as the original. I did offer an excerpt and cited the original source for anyone to read for him/herself (which you apparently did using my cited reference). You will note that my excerpt was outlined in 'quotes' clearly indicating I was quoting an excerpt from the body of the article. Sorry - wrong: EDIT SYLLABICATION: ed·it PRONUNCIATION: ?d??t TRANSITIVE VERB: Inflected forms: ed·it·ed , ed·it·ing , ed·its 1 a. To prepare (written material) for publication or presentation, as by correcting, revising, or adapting. b. To prepare an edition of for publication: edit a collection of short stories. c. To modify or adapt so as to make suitable or acceptable: edited her remarks for presentation to a younger audience. 2. To supervise the publication of (a newspaper or magazine, for example). 3. To assemble the components of (a film or soundtrack, for example), as by cutting and splicing. 4. To eliminate; delete: edited the best scene out. 1c would be the appropriate use here. 4 also covers it. Of course the editing does not change the facts that a 11 year old Palestinian girl was executed by the Israeli army - while she was watching the funeral procession of a teenage Palestinian boy shot by the Israeli Army the day before. For your information I consider the intentional shooting of bullets into a densely populated civilian occupied area as an execution. Actually it seemed from that article unclear who did the shooting, but lets say it was the IDF. They should be condemned for it. Brought to task. If they did the shooting. Again, the only source I have is the article you posted, and it was not clear on who did the shooting. I quoted that part of the article that was the most important - that the bloody oppression of the Palestinians continues notwithstanding the cost in lives for both the Israelis and the Palestinians. I understand that a dead Jew is less important to you than a dead Arab. That was my point, really. That the killing of a Rabbi and attacking of his family on the way to a wedding is less noteworthy, less horrific, to you. They are equally horrific to me. Your attempt to somehow show 'moral equivilency between the illegal occupier and the occupied who resist violent occupation is disingenious and implies support for illegal occupation through the use of state terrorism. I assume you also find 'moral equivilancy' between the White S African Apartheid regime when they imprisoned Nelson Mandella for 20 years for his involvement in an ANC bombing of White S African civilians. Rather like the Americans who justified murdering 100,000's of American Indian men, women and children because some White Settlers were killed by Indian raiders for stealing their land. flw I did not attempt to show moral equivalency, I attempted to show your hypocrisy, and one sidedness in only quoting the parts of an article that suit your point of view. I abhor the violence on both sides. As to the illegality of the state of Israel - it was given them by the landlords at the time, and thus legal. Moral? I certainly did not claim the high moral ground for either side, as neither has it. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om -- -- -- -- -- -- - -- - -- -- - - - - -- --- -- - - - - -- - - - -- -- - -- - Calling a rationalist an a-theist is like a soccer player accusing a baseball player of not having any goal
Re: [CTRL] Israelis Execute 11 year old Palestinian Girl Terrorist
-Caveat Lector- Brilliant editing. As I used to tell my students - every edit is an opinion. Here are some snippets of the same article FLW accidentally left out: A 40-year-old rabbi and father of six was shot and killed by a Palestinian gunman in a roadside ambush this morning as he drove to a wedding celebration with his family from the Jewish settlement where they live in the Gaza Strip. Israeli police, alerted by a wary pedestrian, this morning discovered a shrapnel-filled bomb hidden in a gift-wrapped box near a shopping mall in the northern Israeli city of Netanya. And over the 24 hours that ended this afternoon, Israeli security forces said they arrested and jailed 42 Palestinians accused of anti-Israeli activities. And of course on the story he chose to highlight : Nada Madi, 11, had just come home from school Thursday afternoon in the Rafah refugee camp and had opened her bedroom window to watch the funeral when a bullet punctured her chest. It is unclear who fired the bullet (if I were FLW I would leave the article cut right there - but I am not) but the family said it came from the direction of an Israeli army observation tower about a quarter-mile away. Military officials said soldiers were firing toward a Palestinian gunman allegedly hiding in a nearby house at about the time the girl was hit. admitedly my snippets in this case are just as slanted as FLW's are, so - Here's the URL for the whole thing: http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A19973-2002Dec20?language=printer on 12/21/02 10:05 AM, flw at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By Molly Moore Washington Post Foreign Service Saturday, December 21, 2002; Page A14 Palestinian: 'The World Has Lost Sensitivity' ...An 11-year-old Palestinian girl was shot in the chest and killed Thursday afternoon as she leaned out her bedroom window in the Rafah refugee camp, in the southern Gaza Strip. She was watching the funeral procession of a teenage Palestinian boy who had been shot the previous day -- -- --- -- -- -- -- I believe reality is a marvelous joke staged for my edification and amusement, and everybody is working very hard to make me happy. --Terence McKenna NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
